@polar6826 competitive?😂 ryzen 7 7800x3d is faster than 14900k with less power usage, and its way cheaper! It's literally no competition at all in gaming only
@@AlanCulerwhile the i3 12100f is a great option for budget gamers, you can also go the AM4 route and get a 5600, which you still gives you a nice upgrade path to a 5800X3D, 12100f is still a good option though
One of the reasons that made me switch from Intel to AMD in 2019 was the socket's longevity. It's crazy how I can still use my 2019 mobo to buy modern CPU's
This is the reason folks like Apple computers, too. They get lots of software and other support for a long time. Normie pc fans don’t get Apple love. Even this UA-camr himself uses his Mac laptop daily. There really isn’t a better laptop or mini pc (Mac mini) for thermals, noise, energy consumption, ecosystem, and performance.
nahh. It's just for budget since most rich people and companies will choose intel over AMD because intel have better compatibility with all software compared to AMD Maybe this also the reason intel and Nvidia is slightly more expensive, because they really do test and pay the software to be compatible and optimize with their products Unlike AMD who doesn't care about compatibility and optimization. That's why they're cheap
@@TheTez1990 yea true, shouldn't only for gaming. But for budget gamers since most Rich gamers that spend ton of dollars to game and their PC will choose Nvidia Over AMD Since there's no GPU that can surpass 4090 yet. Even AMD doesn't have a GPU that are the same performance as 4090 Edit : And not they almost releasing 4090TI lmao 🤣
@azizsetyawan3038 yeah but a gpu half the price gets damn close to the second in command for about half the price... the options are pretty obvious when you think about it...
@@randomanun4278 wtf half price. There's no such a things expect you buying a used GPU Even RX6700 only 10-15% cheaper than RTX 4060TI nowadays. But 4060ti have 5-10% better performance overall Not even half the price. Definitely i choose Nvidia because it's only have 10% price difference while give you 5-10% more performance And optimize for every single software including editing, rendering, 3D designing, animating, ect
Damn Tustin Microcenter had it sold out, so I went with the 13700k bundle cuz I still want some productivity work. I was only in LA for like a few days so yeah.
@@DoppEff From other stuff in their store. they sell bundles at a loss in order to try and get you to buy other stuff in their stores. just like costco
Right, when I build my pc I'm not changing anything on it for at least 7 years unless something breaks. If these people are worried about sockets changing they're not building good enough pc's to begin with.
@@Dodger_Dawg_ I have B650E with R7 7800X3D which is the best gaming CPU on a platform which will most likely support at least two more full CPU generations. Please, explain to me how is my PC "not good enough"
Well in your case. This person would say if you get that socket in 6 years all you will need is a new gpu, cpu, and some more ram. Which he is somewhat right. This depends on the MoBo you get. If you got some cheap mobo with just modern specs. You might be upset to see that it doesn't work as well as a cheap MoBo would be with that same cpu. So you losing performance while pretty much spending more money then you would if you just kept the cpu and gpu that was more compatiable to begin with. There is a reason these parts come out in the same years time frames. They get lazy on software updates all the time or issues happen. So what I am saying is. Get a high end Mobo if you plan on buying for a cpu socket set. I never plan on buying a pc this way and I don't think any would should either. You do not save money doing this. @@lrexoticgaming5636
it's not about that, upgrading every 4 to 5 years is nice to maintain the performance of your PC. instead of changing both the CPU and motherboard, you'll only need to change the CPU. Motherboards aren't worth upgrading that much imo
If u buy a pc today, u dont need to upgrade it for at least 4 years, that means u'll need a new motherboard then. I had a i5-7600k till this december and recently upgraded it to a i9-14900k (changed whole pc). No need to upgrade or change for 8-10 years.
@@suryanarayandasmohapatra5840 I'd presume high for now but as titles demand more cpu/gpu in the future the quality will decline. He's got a valid point which the user must take into account. I'm making the switch to AMD Ryzen 9 7950x with a AMD RX7900 gre. It's usually more than I would spend but I want to experience high/ultra graphics on my car games/Sims and start using VR and streaming this year
Just switched a week ago from i5 7600k, 1070ti to Ryzen 7 7700x and 7800xt with an NZXT B650e motherboard, 32gb 6000mt DDR5 and the difference is absolutely fucking mind blowing in every single tiny way.
I still use a 3770K + 1050 Ti in my secondary system and it still runs great for lighter/older games. It also has nvenc which is very helpful for rendering videos.
Amd just has a lot more to offer whether that's cpus or gpus. I just bought a ryzen 7 2700x for 50 usd, the equivalent of that would be an i7 9700k which on eBay, is going for almost 200 dollars
@@ryeser4864 5 generations behind lol, for a new build that's pretty shit. won't handle anything in 2k or even modern AAA past 60 frames in 1080p medium
@yungerrr still a great deal tho depending on the games he plays, I rocked a r5 2600x and 1660 super for years and it ran everything I threw at it, even if it's medium-high settings. Still enjoyable
If you're going high end and not planning to regularly upgrade it doesn't matter. Either way if you like me only upgrade every 4 or 5 years you'll most likely need a new motherboard by then either way.
Absolutely agree. Also there is a lot of cases when Intel build can be actually way cheaper. What is also cool and saves money - latest Intel CPUs support both DDR4 and DDR5, so if you already had great DDR4 ram I don't see much reasons to go for DDR5
Being a DDR3 motherboard user, I can confirm I love my AMD A8 and 4gb DDR3 ram! Amd's the catch for me. Edit: 69 likes!? Leave it guys it's the best number! Edit -2 : I lost my 69 likes 😭😞
I was using intel for a very long time and decided to switch to AMD this year. I can’t say it has been a smooth ride especially with the burning X3D issues and currently I have crash issue in games because of PBO I assume.
Thats also a point but you wont get npu faster technology and Microsoft is working at using it also lot of developers like Adobe. Btw Microsoft is also Office and ms word or Excel or other will be cooperating in new tools which they told they will be Amazing revolutionary upgrade. So you cant be sure its good for you
Don't forget gaming as the 14900K/KS crush any gaming benchmark even with admittedly lower FPS than the Ryzen 7 7800X3D. The 14900K/KS can do everything with productivity and content creation workloads with ease for a 10th the price of a Threadripper Pro 7000 (Legendary and worth the premium, but out of most peoples price range). The 7800X3D cannot match either in performance without upgrading to the 7950X3D and properly tuning it in Process Lasso. Intel is as plug and play as it gets. Power efficiency doesn't matter if your platform lacks stability and quality drivers, which AMD is still struggling with compared to Intel, and especially NVIDIA.
@@xChr0nic420x.14900k is obviously better, but it’s marginal and comes at the cost of a lot of extra heat and power draw. I’m building a high end setup and going for a 14700k. It’s essentially the 14900k without the OC
@@xChr0nic420x.14900KS is underrated, by FAR IMO the best Intel CPU ever made, 14900K is also 6 GHZ, 5.7 GHZ all core and very excellent, undervolt the hell out of both the 14900K and the 14900KS. Use a Direct to Die solution and you MUST delid the KS, the K you can skip that. Use an EKG Deta TEC 2 custom loop water cooling Full Nickel solution, for stable all core 6 GHZ on the 14900KS. It gets better, 7 GHZ two performance cores, 6.90 GHZ all core is easy, 14900KS does it idling. BEAST.
I still dont think if i buy now that i will upgrade untill 2026 or 7. Realistically if you buy a new cpu rn you would expect it to last minimum 5 years
I have i5-13600K which is a beast of a CPU, along with RX 7800 XT that will last me like 5 years. There's no need to upgrade your CPU every year or two years if you just play games on it and are not some tech youtuber or video editor that needs the newest hardware every year.
@@PterodactylFN I searched 5500x3d and the first thing that popped up was “5500x3d rumors: what we know so far” If you can’t buy it and it hasn’t been announced then it’s a rumor
I bought my intel last year, not planning on major upgrades for a long time but the writing was always on the wall for the way NVIDIA and Intel have been going.
Big question is, whether the motherboard will hold up?? With the amount of options and cheap motherboards, it’s feasible to replace the motherboard +cpu than upgrading just the processor.
Dont buy a cheap MoBo, and you don't have to switch it. i have upgraded my R5 2600 to a 5800X3D on my old B450 Mainboard. And where do you get cheap mainboards?
this does remind me that my next upgrade is the cpu. currently sporting a ryzen 5 3600, but if i can find something better that is am4, isnt a minute boost and doesn't break the bank then ill consider getting it.
5600x. Just ditch my old CPU and upgraded to 5600x. Just gotta be sure your mobo bios is updated to min. version which support the processor that you are planning to buy
Here is the facts, alot of people have jumped on the amd bandwagon and it's kinda annoying. So computers is a big hobby of mine. So to the average user on this platform so you don't feel like you made a bad choice or anything let me help you. Intel and AMD are both great, early days of ryzen I wasn't a fan of much absolutely love ryzen now. The 5600x is hands down my favorite CPU from am4. Before you go and buy your parts or prebuilt you can go either way. You shouldn't need to upgrade your PC for years to come so the whole upgrade path is stupid. My buddy finally upgraded after 8 years and his PC was still working great. So go with Intel or amd and your making a good choice either way
what about gpus tho? (i know i know the rx 5700 xt is the best for budget builds) i think the arc is slowly getting better too. what do you think of intel ark gpus?
Depends on your budget. I would reccomend an AMD card if you use or could potentially use Linux for coding, it is a lot better than the nvidia expierence
Yeah I agree with intel and amd though do research on intel cards, only watch new vids as the driver updates are crazy but they have av1 I think encoding and they are budget and have a lot of vram especially the a770 but do research don’t just listen to 1 person
"Future proofing" is cool and all. But there is absolutely no reason to upgrade every generation of CPU or GPU. Yes, I know there are things like DLSS 2-3 or AM4 to AM5 But it's just a waste of money. People out here are still rocking 10 series NVIDIA cards before AMD got good. But even then, if you go for a 30 series or 6000 series GPU, it just depends on what games/programs you'll be running. As for CPU, Anything with 8 or more cores will Be just fine till games industry learns how to utilize more CPU cores for games, yet there is still people using 13900K for gaming and it's just a big waste of money. Guarantee 5800x paired with 6700XT will last for 5+ years from now. Things are so different now. Especially if FSR or RSR get better
Amd is doing great just would love to see a little drop in price. With how some motherboard are still so expensive even some of the cheaper ones. A motherboard and cpu is like $400 or higher.
Except it's flipping back now with UE5. UE5 uses a ton more CPU power than it does GPU. Look at the new RoboCop game. The CPU requirements are way higher than it's GPU.
Thank you for your good work! Your channel is great for informing us busy ones... Question: Is motherboard support for future AMD CPUs included with new speeds for RAMs that are included in new CPUs? Could you look into that or give us some insights on that?
Same logic applies here. You can upgrade from a Ryzen 5 7600 to a Ryzen 7 8800x3D (or even 9800x3D). That blows the 14900K out of the water (even the current 7800x3D does)
Generally speaking, I've never bothered to upgrade a CPU on the same socket motherboard until I went AMD, whether it was because I went with an I5, or a Ryzen 5. The only time I ever actually had to upgrade a CPU in the same motherboard, was with AMD. First gen Ryzen stopped being supported by Windows 11 after a certain update, so I had to replace it with a newer generation AM4 to be able to update my Windows 11 anymore which also required me flashing the bios to be able to use the newer CPU as the older bios didn't support the newer CPU. By the time you notice your CPU is bottlenecking your GPU, it's usually about time to upgrade to a newer socket/board/ram anyways.
And whats your benefit from switching i5 to i9? 10% more FPS? It makes no sense! It wll be the same architecture CPU. But you can't switch to 15 gen Intel, that's what you don't get.
I dont get the idea of “upgrade path” when i dont know a single person that upgrades cpus less than 5 years. Unless your using really cpu heavy workloads, theres no reason to upgrade every gen.
That is the stupidest advice ever, Who ever builds PC to only last 2 years is just waisting money. Build a PC that will last you 4-8 years like mine. I work in IT, in my life I had 3 personal build PC because the first 2 pc lasted me close to 16 years in total. This year I build my 3 one and will not be surprised it will last another 6+ years.
Only tech channels like this think everyone is upgrading every single time a new socket launches. What happens in reality, is that every release there is a portion of the population that has a 5+ year old PC that's due for an upgrade finally.
@@DRTIK0L Man you need to look in to a couple things first. First look at the type of games you play, are they 2D, 3D, FPS, Open World or Very intence in visual graphics. Then you need to check your monitor what kind of monitor you use, the size doesn;t really matter what matters is if it is 1080, 1440 or 4k. Then you need to decide how long you want your PC to last. If you are building a PC that you are planning to upgrade in like 2 years then fine buy cheap but if you want to have a pc that will last you min. of 4 years with no need to upgrade. Then you must save up or borrow more money. Nvidia no matter how much we all hate them is still the one producing the best GPU out there and in most games Nvidia GPU will run better and will get better fps even if it is a lower eng graphics card. Further more if you buy a really high end CPU like a i7 - 12,13 gen or a i9 - 12, 13 or 14 gen then you know that thing will last you 5 years easily, in my country in most stores the CPU gets 5-6 year warranty. So you can imagine how secure they are (granted remember to change the thermalpaste every 6-12 months) but still. Just always remember the more you spend now the more you will save later. Good luck
@@DRTIK0L Pretty much any of the AM4 stuff is fine, I recommend anyone avoids first gen AM5 after the whole CPU's burning in the socket though. Yes I know they've had bios updates to address it, I still wouldn't want to buy a generation of CPU that had it happen at all given thats EXTREMELY abnormal in the CPU world. It really scares me to the point that I think it has some rushed product stuff going on behind it. I've never heard of that happening before.
I personally think future proofing should only be a thing people consider if they are the latest and greatest types that like frequent updates. I built my mid range pc in 2021, and I still dont think I need an upgrade because it still works amazingly. The performance i would gain is minimal unless I jump up to the next tier up of cpus which I think is overkill.
You are missing out on the fact that Intel chips are ddr5-ddr4 supported which is a huge advantage cost & value wise and if u woulda buy a 14th gen you wuldn't have to change for at least 2 years from now.
Yup, I completely disagree with everything he is spitting, while yes the am5 support is nice, no one buying a new cpu rn unless you are a massive enthusiast is going to upgrade in the next year. A 13600k massively outperforms a 7800x, and I wouldn't be surprised if the 8000 series still struggles to compete with the 13th gen. This is all a marketing stunt. If I buy an am5 cpu I won't be upgrading for 3 years at least, which at that point neither will be supported, so why go with the worse choice?
@@MrMin316 It's a fact. The 7800x3D trades blows with the 14900k in gaming, while being much more efficient and cheaper. If you only want to play games, it is objectively the best CPU right now.
@@lelouchabrilvelda1794 Well i have built both, AMD and Intel and the one i have now consists of NZXT H6 Flow, Intel i9 13900k, I did have Asus ROG Maximus Hero. But found out that one of the pins were bent, so i enxchange it for a NZXT N7 z790. TeamGroup Delta RGB 32GB (2X16GB) DDR5 PC5-51200C40 6400MHz Dual Channel Kit - White, NZXT Kraken 360 AIO Cooler , 9 RGB fans and Nvidia RTX 4090 TI and it's best i have built so far. Runs like a dream.
It's not, really. Price to performance, AMD wins easily. Compare any gpus and AMD almost always wins. There's certain games it does much worse in, but that's only for specific situations, like cyberpunk with Ray tracing on, but even then that's STILL unplayable with an nvidia card. So without Ray tracing, amd wins. Dlss is arbitrary bullshit for nvidia to slack and pretty much any software nvidia has to offer sucks. For most people, AMD cards are going to be the clear choice and the only reason nvidia's marketshare is so high is because of fools who are living in 2015 thinking that nvidia still makes good graphics cards. A 4060 with only 8gb of vram? For $300? Like, why? My 6750 xt was only $30 more and has 12gb of vram
@@Wheels2056 "the only reason nvidia's marketshare is so high is because of fools who are living in 2015 thinking that nvidia still makes good graphics cards" No, in many countries(including mine) NVIDIA is actually cheaper and it is a great value. Don't think the world is just America.
Yea imagine a 4080 being 100 dollars cheaper than 7900xtx XD, well here in my country the 4080 costs 1500 USD and 7900xtx is 1600usd. 4090 being 1800usd, who the hell would buy 7900xtx over 4090 at that price is beyond me@@ibu__
Ur right but with every generation there is increase of no of vrms needed to run the processor so if ur gonna use top level and cpu from 2027 in 2023 mb BOOM same performance and good mb costs very very much
It depends upon how we are thinking like I can spend my all money to buy the best gaming PC then I have to wait 5 years only just to buy a new PC because the PC that I will buy today can support up to after like 5 years and I wouldn't have to upgrade so if I go with inter after 5 years the motherboard will change but in AMD also the motherboard will also change in five years
This dude Stan’s amd graphics cards so I’m a million % sure he’s not reliable in any way, shape, or form to answer this question without an outrageously obvious biased answer
i have a b550m pro with a ryzen 5 3600 and ddr4 ram. i wanna upgrade to ddr5 with an amd system. what mobo and cpu combos do you suggest? i have an rtx 3060 and i want a cpu that won't stop me from upgrading my gpu in the future
I bought a pre built a year or 2 ago as I thought it was a good way to get into PC gaming, which it is, it has an i7-12700f and that’s fine for me considering I am not really focused on getting the best components out there and I still have 2 gens of intel CPUs to go
It also depends on your preference, I prefer intel because I have had a easy and nice time using them and the work great and some people the some but with amd. Just hate it when people get heated because of them
Amd and intel are both great. Never tried amd, probably will never as I'm used to intel, but it's cool to see the support they have for older gen sockets.
amd is probably the best cpu/gpu company for budget gamers
not just budget their top tier cpus are very very competitive with intel
True
i3 12th and 13 gen would like to know your location
@polar6826 competitive?😂 ryzen 7 7800x3d is faster than 14900k with less power usage, and its way cheaper! It's literally no competition at all in gaming only
@@AlanCulerwhile the i3 12100f is a great option for budget gamers, you can also go the AM4 route and get a 5600, which you still gives you a nice upgrade path to a 5800X3D, 12100f is still a good option though
One of the reasons that made me switch from Intel to AMD in 2019 was the socket's longevity. It's crazy how I can still use my 2019 mobo to buy modern CPU's
2019, that would put you at a B450 or X470?
@@drew2626 I'm rocking a 3900x on a x570
This is the reason folks like Apple computers, too. They get lots of software and other support for a long time.
Normie pc fans don’t get Apple love. Even this UA-camr himself uses his Mac laptop daily. There really isn’t a better laptop or mini pc (Mac mini) for thermals, noise, energy consumption, ecosystem, and performance.
@@DengueBurgerapple also thinks their 8gb of mac ram is equivalent to 16gb of pc ram
Fr i have a r5 2600 and going to upgrade to a r5 5600x with out having to switch mobo unlike my friend who has Intel and has to upgrade his😢
AMD has been making big moves that gamers are here for
nahh. It's just for budget since most rich people and companies will choose intel over AMD because intel have better compatibility with all software compared to AMD
Maybe this also the reason intel and Nvidia is slightly more expensive, because they really do test and pay the software to be compatible and optimize with their products
Unlike AMD who doesn't care about compatibility and optimization. That's why they're cheap
@@azizsetyawan3038this comment was so damn stupid
@@TheTez1990 yea true, shouldn't only for gaming. But for budget gamers since most Rich gamers that spend ton of dollars to game and their PC will choose Nvidia Over AMD
Since there's no GPU that can surpass 4090 yet. Even AMD doesn't have a GPU that are the same performance as 4090
Edit :
And not they almost releasing 4090TI lmao 🤣
@azizsetyawan3038 yeah but a gpu half the price gets damn close to the second in command for about half the price... the options are pretty obvious when you think about it...
@@randomanun4278
wtf half price. There's no such a things expect you buying a used GPU
Even RX6700 only 10-15% cheaper than RTX 4060TI nowadays. But 4060ti have 5-10% better performance overall
Not even half the price. Definitely i choose Nvidia because it's only have 10% price difference while give you 5-10% more performance
And optimize for every single software including editing, rendering, 3D designing, animating, ect
Microcenter had a crazy nice deal on a 7800x3d motherboard and 32g of 6k ddr5 ram for like $499. Best Christmas present ever
That's a steal
Damn Tustin Microcenter had it sold out, so I went with the 13700k bundle cuz I still want some productivity work. I was only in LA for like a few days so yeah.
I got the same deal! But with the intel I7 14700k
Bruh how do they make a profit?
@@DoppEff From other stuff in their store. they sell bundles at a loss in order to try and get you to buy other stuff in their stores. just like costco
You don't always need upgrade options. Sometimes the best option is just a very good PC today and not pray for the future to come.
Right, when I build my pc I'm not changing anything on it for at least 7 years unless something breaks. If these people are worried about sockets changing they're not building good enough pc's to begin with.
This guys have not the PC and want to upgrade it already, don't enjoy his hardware
@@Dodger_Dawg_ I have B650E with R7 7800X3D which is the best gaming CPU on a platform which will most likely support at least two more full CPU generations. Please, explain to me how is my PC "not good enough"
yeh as someone who upgardes every 5/6 years i don't really care about forward compatability unless its like 6 years
Well in your case. This person would say if you get that socket in 6 years all you will need is a new gpu, cpu, and some more ram. Which he is somewhat right.
This depends on the MoBo you get. If you got some cheap mobo with just modern specs. You might be upset to see that it doesn't work as well as a cheap MoBo would be with that same cpu. So you losing performance while pretty much spending more money then you would if you just kept the cpu and gpu that was more compatiable to begin with. There is a reason these parts come out in the same years time frames. They get lazy on software updates all the time or issues happen.
So what I am saying is. Get a high end Mobo if you plan on buying for a cpu socket set. I never plan on buying a pc this way and I don't think any would should either. You do not save money doing this. @@lrexoticgaming5636
Who buys every year a new CPU for real?
Nearly nobody!
UA-camrs that do pc stuff.
They bait you to spend more that works out for them
it's not about that, upgrading every 4 to 5 years is nice to maintain the performance of your PC.
instead of changing both the CPU and motherboard, you'll only need to change the CPU.
Motherboards aren't worth upgrading that much imo
@@Raven777777777777777that's a very small percentage.
People with money!
If u buy a pc today, u dont need to upgrade it for at least 4 years, that means u'll need a new motherboard then. I had a i5-7600k till this december and recently upgraded it to a i9-14900k (changed whole pc). No need to upgrade or change for 8-10 years.
Which graphics are you using?
@@suryanarayandasmohapatra5840 I'd presume high for now but as titles demand more cpu/gpu in the future the quality will decline. He's got a valid point which the user must take into account. I'm making the switch to AMD Ryzen 9 7950x with a AMD RX7900 gre. It's usually more than I would spend but I want to experience high/ultra graphics on my car games/Sims and start using VR and streaming this year
Just switched a week ago from i5 7600k, 1070ti to Ryzen 7 7700x and 7800xt with an NZXT B650e motherboard, 32gb 6000mt DDR5 and the difference is absolutely fucking mind blowing in every single tiny way.
@@CavezOfficial
I am still using Intel Pentium dual core processor with lga755 socket for Ms word
Your set up is very good 💯💯
I still use a 3770K + 1050 Ti in my secondary system and it still runs great for lighter/older games. It also has nvenc which is very helpful for rendering videos.
Amd just has a lot more to offer whether that's cpus or gpus. I just bought a ryzen 7 2700x for 50 usd, the equivalent of that would be an i7 9700k which on eBay, is going for almost 200 dollars
why such an old shit cpu
@@yungerrrnot shit at all
@@ryeser4864 5 generations behind lol, for a new build that's pretty shit. won't handle anything in 2k or even modern AAA past 60 frames in 1080p medium
@yungerrr still a great deal tho depending on the games he plays, I rocked a r5 2600x and 1660 super for years and it ran everything I threw at it, even if it's medium-high settings. Still enjoyable
@@yungerrr1 why are you such a hater. 2 most new games depend tons more on the gpu. Any x600 amd gpu works great still.
Been suuuuuuuper happy with my 7950x
If you're going high end and not planning to regularly upgrade it doesn't matter. Either way if you like me only upgrade every 4 or 5 years you'll most likely need a new motherboard by then either way.
Absolutely agree. Also there is a lot of cases when Intel build can be actually way cheaper. What is also cool and saves money - latest Intel CPUs support both DDR4 and DDR5, so if you already had great DDR4 ram I don't see much reasons to go for DDR5
Meanwhile me, with a 3470: if a CPU can last 10 years, and still be alright the 5 year long mobo support is uselss.
4170 o/
The thing is, when I buy a CPU I dont upgrade it for 5 years. Im still rocking a 9900k. I don't care if the socket will be supported next year.
It'll be a cold day in hell when I abandon my 4690k
I have a 9900k and probably won’t need to upgrade it for another 5 years from now
Being a DDR3 motherboard user, I can confirm I love my AMD A8 and 4gb DDR3 ram! Amd's the catch for me.
Edit: 69 likes!? Leave it guys it's the best number!
Edit -2 : I lost my 69 likes 😭😞
I literally have to use a phone for gaming i dont have a pc or laptop
@@RejectOnYTliterally no one ask
@@RejectOnYT get a pc
I'm a DDR3 too but I have an i7 4790k
@@RejectOnYTget a job
I have an A320 motherboard from 2018 and I was able to upgrade from R3 2200g to R5 5600. Performance uplift tripled. AM4 is phenomenal.
you were lucky, that only works on about a 3rd of boards
@@nostrum6410 the mobo site says zen 3 is supported with the correct bios.
I was using intel for a very long time and decided to switch to AMD this year. I can’t say it has been a smooth ride especially with the burning X3D issues and currently I have crash issue in games because of PBO I assume.
I upgrade my pc every 6+ years at this point so I'm good with my new 14th gen
Thats also a point but you wont get npu faster technology and Microsoft is working at using it also lot of developers like Adobe. Btw Microsoft is also Office and ms word or Excel or other will be cooperating in new tools which they told they will be Amazing revolutionary upgrade. So you cant be sure its good for you
@@maciejowczuk6776 Keep hoping.
Gaming? 7800X3D, Editing? Productivity? Intel 12-14th gen 🔥
Don't forget gaming as the 14900K/KS crush any gaming benchmark even with admittedly lower FPS than the Ryzen 7 7800X3D. The 14900K/KS can do everything with productivity and content creation workloads with ease for a 10th the price of a Threadripper Pro 7000 (Legendary and worth the premium, but out of most peoples price range). The 7800X3D cannot match either in performance without upgrading to the 7950X3D and properly tuning it in Process Lasso.
Intel is as plug and play as it gets. Power efficiency doesn't matter if your platform lacks stability and quality drivers, which AMD is still struggling with compared to Intel, and especially NVIDIA.
@@iLegionaire3755 I really need your opinion if the i7 14700k is good? Or if the i9 14900k is better?
@@xChr0nic420x.14900k is obviously better, but it’s marginal and comes at the cost of a lot of extra heat and power draw. I’m building a high end setup and going for a 14700k. It’s essentially the 14900k without the OC
@@xChr0nic420x.14900KS is underrated, by FAR IMO the best Intel CPU ever made, 14900K is also 6 GHZ, 5.7 GHZ all core and very excellent, undervolt the hell out of both the 14900K and the 14900KS. Use a Direct to Die solution and you MUST delid the KS, the K you can skip that. Use an EKG Deta TEC 2 custom loop water cooling Full Nickel solution, for stable all core 6 GHZ on the 14900KS. It gets better, 7 GHZ two performance cores, 6.90 GHZ all core is easy, 14900KS does it idling. BEAST.
I still dont think if i buy now that i will upgrade untill 2026 or 7. Realistically if you buy a new cpu rn you would expect it to last minimum 5 years
At least the intel motherboards LGA1800 or whatever they named is gonna have DDR6 Ram I can feel it
I have i5-13600K which is a beast of a CPU, along with RX 7800 XT that will last me like 5 years. There's no need to upgrade your CPU every year or two years if you just play games on it and are not some tech youtuber or video editor that needs the newest hardware every year.
Not to mention amd is STILL making am4 cpus.
Those are still rumors (for now)
@@Jake_EditzYT5500x3d and 5600x3d?
@@eyaadalwazir8229 rumors for now
@@Jake_EditzYT what r u on about. They already a thing
@@PterodactylFN I searched 5500x3d and the first thing that popped up was “5500x3d rumors: what we know so far”
If you can’t buy it and it hasn’t been announced then it’s a rumor
Im running an i5 11400f and can't complain
Do you think a i7 14700k is good?? I’m thinking about buying it lmk
I bought my intel last year, not planning on major upgrades for a long time but the writing was always on the wall for the way NVIDIA and Intel have been going.
My i3 12100f is going strong💪
Big question is, whether the motherboard will hold up?? With the amount of options and cheap motherboards, it’s feasible to replace the motherboard +cpu than upgrading just the processor.
Dont buy a cheap MoBo, and you don't have to switch it. i have upgraded my R5 2600 to a 5800X3D on my old B450 Mainboard. And where do you get cheap mainboards?
this does remind me that my next upgrade is the cpu. currently sporting a ryzen 5 3600, but if i can find something better that is am4, isnt a minute boost and doesn't break the bank then ill consider getting it.
5600 is not a shabby CPU
5600x. Just ditch my old CPU and upgraded to 5600x. Just gotta be sure your mobo bios is updated to min. version which support the processor that you are planning to buy
This is great info, literally looking into a PC and was already planning on the 7600.
Bro that first cut sounds like "if you're a gaming pc-" 😭😭
That's true for AMD is one the best gaming cpu and for Intel is also the best for Productivity and Video Editor as well.
They are both excellent, it only depends on software you use or games you play
Here is the facts, alot of people have jumped on the amd bandwagon and it's kinda annoying. So computers is a big hobby of mine. So to the average user on this platform so you don't feel like you made a bad choice or anything let me help you. Intel and AMD are both great, early days of ryzen I wasn't a fan of much absolutely love ryzen now. The 5600x is hands down my favorite CPU from am4. Before you go and buy your parts or prebuilt you can go either way. You shouldn't need to upgrade your PC for years to come so the whole upgrade path is stupid. My buddy finally upgraded after 8 years and his PC was still working great. So go with Intel or amd and your making a good choice either way
For me, by the time im financially ready to upgrade, it’s like 2 or 3 socket generations after anyways lol
esports on PC is a diff kind of beast #esports #raglifetv #RGesports
I just got a 13600KF 😅
you’ll be fine for at least 6 years
A solid choice. Enjoy it 😊
Awesome video. This is a MASSIVE help, I was already leaning AMD, but now know for sure.
Great, I'm buying brand new PC just right now (on AM5 with R5 7600X). It's such a great news for now and the futre.
And for 20% of the price🥰
Intel all the way, a bit pricy but worth it
Definitely worth it. Better FPS more reliable
@@carlsonbench1827Yeah… no. AMD outclasses Intel when it comes to gaming.
@@OiOi-Jim cope
@@carlsonbench1827 imagine saying cope when the 7800x3d beats the Intel i9-14900K for gaming, do your research and come back fanboy 😂
@@OiOi-Jimleave him bro hes creating own happiness 😂😂
No way in hell my motherboard is making it to 2025
what about gpus tho? (i know i know the rx 5700 xt is the best for budget builds) i think the arc is slowly getting better too. what do you think of intel ark gpus?
Yes but keep In mind that as 14 gen i7 is still pretty good
Zach I am a programmer, but I also game what type of pc should I build?
Intel (non integrated one) and Nvidia.
That's what people in computing, data compressing, media editing, optimizing use.
Depends on your budget. I would reccomend an AMD card if you use or could potentially use Linux for coding, it is a lot better than the nvidia expierence
@@burkeychathouse5537he wants to game
Yeah I agree with intel and amd though do research on intel cards, only watch new vids as the driver updates are crazy but they have av1 I think encoding and they are budget and have a lot of vram especially the a770 but do research don’t just listen to 1 person
If you're on Windows definitely go for Intel + NVIDIA combo.
"Future proofing" is cool and all. But there is absolutely no reason to upgrade every generation of CPU or GPU. Yes, I know there are things like DLSS 2-3 or AM4 to AM5
But it's just a waste of money.
People out here are still rocking 10 series NVIDIA cards before AMD got good. But even then, if you go for a 30 series or 6000 series GPU, it just depends on what games/programs you'll be running.
As for CPU, Anything with 8 or more cores will Be just fine till games industry learns how to utilize more CPU cores for games, yet there is still people using 13900K for gaming and it's just a big waste of money.
Guarantee 5800x paired with 6700XT will last for 5+ years from now. Things are so different now. Especially if FSR or RSR get better
13900k is for multitasking and workeforce not just gaming !
Amd is doing great just would love to see a little drop in price. With how some motherboard are still so expensive even some of the cheaper ones. A motherboard and cpu is like $400 or higher.
My favorite gaming cpu is the ryzen 7 7800x3d
Simple, AMD for gaming,
Intel for Production (Video editing, 3D, etc) or any CPU intensive software.
Few years ago it was totally reversed
Except it's flipping back now with UE5. UE5 uses a ton more CPU power than it does GPU. Look at the new RoboCop game. The CPU requirements are way higher than it's GPU.
@@musztakafyt6852that’s what surprises me the most. Back in the day Linus would talk about gaming on AMD and how it was worse
Nah imma still take intel for my gaming pc
Not really. Alot of amd cpus are just as or even better then intel for production
Thank you for your good work! Your channel is great for informing us busy ones...
Question: Is motherboard support for future AMD CPUs included with new speeds for RAMs that are included in new CPUs? Could you look into that or give us some insights on that?
“Oh damn why’ve they done that”
- a prebuilt purchaser
amd is definitely gonna take the market more and more as and us gamers are here for it.
Intel's 15th gen is shaping up to be a gamechanger. We'll have to wait and see.
@@redslate Okay.
But AMD release the 9800x3d in 2024-2025
So good luck to intel😂
@@lelouchabrilvelda1794 Competition is good.
@@lelouchabrilvelda1794Bro has to defend his fanboy opinion💀
kinda weird to say an I5 user can't upgrade to an I9 in two years when they have the same socket.
exactly, you can easily upgrade from an i5 to an i9
Same logic applies here. You can upgrade from a Ryzen 5 7600 to a Ryzen 7 8800x3D (or even 9800x3D). That blows the 14900K out of the water (even the current 7800x3D does)
Generally speaking, I've never bothered to upgrade a CPU on the same socket motherboard until I went AMD, whether it was because I went with an I5, or a Ryzen 5. The only time I ever actually had to upgrade a CPU in the same motherboard, was with AMD. First gen Ryzen stopped being supported by Windows 11 after a certain update, so I had to replace it with a newer generation AM4 to be able to update my Windows 11 anymore which also required me flashing the bios to be able to use the newer CPU as the older bios didn't support the newer CPU. By the time you notice your CPU is bottlenecking your GPU, it's usually about time to upgrade to a newer socket/board/ram anyways.
And whats your benefit from switching i5 to i9? 10% more FPS? It makes no sense! It wll be the same architecture CPU. But you can't switch to 15 gen Intel, that's what you don't get.
@@BulletToothKnecht I don't need a gen 15 yet. Do you?
I dont get the idea of “upgrade path” when i dont know a single person that upgrades cpus less than 5 years. Unless your using really cpu heavy workloads, theres no reason to upgrade every gen.
many people might not upgrade that often but its still nice to have the option on the same socket
Me with an intel 6700k: Yeh
Skylake kicks ass!
AMD+Nvidia people
🤙
For GPUs Nvidia all the way. Had amd before, they were great but not as good as NVIDIA.
CPUs AMD for life
I just hope my motherboard can last until 2025
Xddddd
Who knows. Maybe it will. My mom’s pc is like 15 years old and the only upgrade it’s gotten was a gtx 1050. Ya it’s slow but it still works
Old B350s did not last until today, so this video isn’t actually the most realistic.
I've got PCs older than myself that still run. Unless you're abusing it, any halfway decent MoBo will outlast its usefulness.
Awesome to know!
As a dell optiplex 9020 SFF i5 variant user ,I completely agree with your opinion
That is the stupidest advice ever, Who ever builds PC to only last 2 years is just waisting money. Build a PC that will last you 4-8 years like mine. I work in IT, in my life I had 3 personal build PC because the first 2 pc lasted me close to 16 years in total. This year I build my 3 one and will not be surprised it will last another 6+ years.
Only tech channels like this think everyone is upgrading every single time a new socket launches. What happens in reality, is that every release there is a portion of the population that has a 5+ year old PC that's due for an upgrade finally.
Still rocking an i7 3770k vut its nolonger good for games , going to go with 14th gen and have it for 10 years
So can you tell me if I should wait for new gen CPUs or build AMD now? And which setup it should be I'm thinking about 5800x3d . Thanks
@@DRTIK0L Man you need to look in to a couple things first. First look at the type of games you play, are they 2D, 3D, FPS, Open World or Very intence in visual graphics. Then you need to check your monitor what kind of monitor you use, the size doesn;t really matter what matters is if it is 1080, 1440 or 4k. Then you need to decide how long you want your PC to last. If you are building a PC that you are planning to upgrade in like 2 years then fine buy cheap but if you want to have a pc that will last you min. of 4 years with no need to upgrade. Then you must save up or borrow more money. Nvidia no matter how much we all hate them is still the one producing the best GPU out there and in most games Nvidia GPU will run better and will get better fps even if it is a lower eng graphics card. Further more if you buy a really high end CPU like a i7 - 12,13 gen or a i9 - 12, 13 or 14 gen then you know that thing will last you 5 years easily, in my country in most stores the CPU gets 5-6 year warranty. So you can imagine how secure they are (granted remember to change the thermalpaste every 6-12 months) but still. Just always remember the more you spend now the more you will save later.
Good luck
@@DRTIK0L Pretty much any of the AM4 stuff is fine, I recommend anyone avoids first gen AM5 after the whole CPU's burning in the socket though. Yes I know they've had bios updates to address it, I still wouldn't want to buy a generation of CPU that had it happen at all given thats EXTREMELY abnormal in the CPU world. It really scares me to the point that I think it has some rushed product stuff going on behind it. I've never heard of that happening before.
Team Intel
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14700K
r7 7800x3d
@@Phan1hs lol that’s team intel ofc
14700K 🩵
I personally think future proofing should only be a thing people consider if they are the latest and greatest types that like frequent updates.
I built my mid range pc in 2021, and I still dont think I need an upgrade because it still works amazingly. The performance i would gain is minimal unless I jump up to the next tier up of cpus which I think is overkill.
You are missing out on the fact that Intel chips are ddr5-ddr4 supported which is a huge advantage cost & value wise and if u woulda buy a 14th gen you wuldn't have to change for at least 2 years from now.
So for the average users, who changes cpu yearly. Seems like this is a feature that's not for everyone. Just my thoughts
Yup, I completely disagree with everything he is spitting, while yes the am5 support is nice, no one buying a new cpu rn unless you are a massive enthusiast is going to upgrade in the next year. A 13600k massively outperforms a 7800x, and I wouldn't be surprised if the 8000 series still struggles to compete with the 13th gen. This is all a marketing stunt. If I buy an am5 cpu I won't be upgrading for 3 years at least, which at that point neither will be supported, so why go with the worse choice?
@@ttr0pic6797800x3D is the best CPU for a gaming machine.
AMD for budget gaming. Intel for everything.
If you are rich, 7800x3D is still the best option for a gaming machine.
@@FieryMeltman Nah
@@MrMin316 It's a fact. The 7800x3D trades blows with the 14900k in gaming, while being much more efficient and cheaper. If you only want to play games, it is objectively the best CPU right now.
@@FieryMeltman The intel cpu is only good in Adobe software thats it.
Adobe get big money from INTEL😂
@@lelouchabrilvelda1794 Well i have built both, AMD and Intel and the one i have now consists of NZXT H6 Flow, Intel i9 13900k, I did have Asus ROG Maximus Hero. But found out that one of the pins were bent, so i enxchange it for a NZXT N7 z790. TeamGroup Delta RGB 32GB (2X16GB) DDR5 PC5-51200C40 6400MHz Dual Channel Kit - White, NZXT Kraken 360 AIO Cooler , 9 RGB fans and Nvidia RTX 4090 TI and it's best i have built so far. Runs like a dream.
Dude be making some funny
Faces
But make sure that u have high tdp to support overclocking and newer cpus
AMD is awesome. They always care for us gamers. While Intel is good too, AMD just has options for everyone.
Paid shills?
no they don't care lol
They do. AMD has better value. And two words. FSR 3. Watch their keynote.
only 3 games got FSR 3 lol
More will be added soon…
Amd vs nividia is still a tough choice
With the way pricing is right now, not really. AMD wins easy. 4070 is the only one that's worth it from Nvidia right now, at least for gaming.
Amd easy
It's not, really. Price to performance, AMD wins easily. Compare any gpus and AMD almost always wins. There's certain games it does much worse in, but that's only for specific situations, like cyberpunk with Ray tracing on, but even then that's STILL unplayable with an nvidia card. So without Ray tracing, amd wins. Dlss is arbitrary bullshit for nvidia to slack and pretty much any software nvidia has to offer sucks.
For most people, AMD cards are going to be the clear choice and the only reason nvidia's marketshare is so high is because of fools who are living in 2015 thinking that nvidia still makes good graphics cards. A 4060 with only 8gb of vram? For $300? Like, why? My 6750 xt was only $30 more and has 12gb of vram
@@Wheels2056 "the only reason nvidia's marketshare is so high is because of fools who are living in 2015 thinking that nvidia still makes good graphics cards" No, in many countries(including mine) NVIDIA is actually cheaper and it is a great value.
Don't think the world is just America.
Yea imagine a 4080 being 100 dollars cheaper than 7900xtx XD, well here in my country the 4080 costs 1500 USD and 7900xtx is 1600usd. 4090 being 1800usd, who the hell would buy 7900xtx over 4090 at that price is beyond me@@ibu__
Thank you amd for supporting us budget ballers 💪
Ur right but with every generation there is increase of no of vrms needed to run the processor so if ur gonna use top level and cpu from 2027 in 2023 mb BOOM same performance and good mb costs very very much
It depends upon how we are thinking like I can spend my all money to buy the best gaming PC then I have to wait 5 years only just to buy a new PC because the PC that I will buy today can support up to after like 5 years and I wouldn't have to upgrade so if I go with inter after 5 years the motherboard will change but in AMD also the motherboard will also change in five years
I made a PC three days ago with a Ryzen 5 7600 X and an RX 7700 XT. I think it will stay with me for quite some time.
I think that will drop the price of the 12-14 gen for budget gamers in the future
Good advice
Just waiting to next year and expanding my budget. When the 15th gen will launch I will grab an i5 15600k or i7 15700k
lack of hyper threading may be an issue, unless the e cores have some serious improvements
Next Intel gen will be Core Ultra 100 or 200 not Core 15000 😉
Do the gpu comparison for intel, ngreedia and amd next
...and you can pick the 7800X 3D, possibly the best gaming processor on the market!!
The 7800x3d is barely more expensive than the 7700x which is crazy to me
And beyond is the important part of that statement. 2025 isn't that far off. Chances are you probably don't need to upgrade until much later.
Glazing is crazy
This dude Stan’s amd graphics cards so I’m a million % sure he’s not reliable in any way, shape, or form to answer this question without an outrageously obvious biased answer
I only went with intel because it's what I know, and microcenter really hooked it up with an i7 12700K, 16 gb ram, and a msi mobo for $350.
I got the same deal! Except the aorus mobo
I've been on AM4 since 2018. Still riding it out with a 5800X3D.
My last AMD would constantly crash on me. And the drivers gave me nothing but head achs.
Still using an OLD 6th gen i7. It suits my needs just fine but I’m definitely going AmD when I build my 2025. System
So wait till next year and build a beast
i have a b550m pro with a ryzen 5 3600 and ddr4 ram. i wanna upgrade to ddr5 with an amd system. what mobo and cpu combos do you suggest? i have an rtx 3060 and i want a cpu that won't stop me from upgrading my gpu in the future
OH NO! HE SAID THE F*TUREPR*OF WORD!
I hear that uograde thing back in 2017 for am4 - still use 1600 non AF.
Yo my guy I want a new PC case and I have an micro ATX Mobo can you give me any ideas(my budget is 110$)
My custom pc is with Ryzen 5 7500F with RX 6700 XT...never been happier
Bro is the ceo of AMD
I am currently "stealing" the mall's wifi to watch this
Pov: i9 14900 😢😢 noch not that guy again
MY pc used to be a lot better but now its nowhere near as good(i have a gtx 1650 and an intel i5 12th gen and i cant see the cpu temps)
I bought a pre built a year or 2 ago as I thought it was a good way to get into PC gaming, which it is, it has an i7-12700f and that’s fine for me considering I am not really focused on getting the best components out there and I still have 2 gens of intel CPUs to go
Tbh id never replace my components unless they are 5 years MAX but im also one to always think if a little dust in my pc its ruined lol
Does a cpu effect your frames at all?
How long with AM5 support?
When I end basic school, I'll buy Intel Core i9.
Also in Ryzen CPUs you can still boost their performance later on with better ram. You get up to 10%
It also depends on your preference, I prefer intel because I have had a easy and nice time using them and the work great and some people the some but with amd. Just hate it when people get heated because of them
Amd and intel are both great. Never tried amd, probably will never as I'm used to intel, but it's cool to see the support they have for older gen sockets.