Why Beth X Space Beth WORKS: Rick and Morty Review Season 6 Episode 3
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I think a lot of Jerry's character development comes from being shunted into his 'home' dimension at the beginning of the season and being faced (however briefly) with his family's 'season 2' dysfunction. In this episode, he realized he was slipping back into that dysfunction and acted to correct it; something his season 2 self never would have done.
Ooh I didn't even think about that. Jerry went from being a complete joke to an enjoyable character and lets not forget cronenberg jerry as well. Man was badass.
@@Name-sl3bm kinda sad he died😊
The post credit scene also shows how much Jerry has grown. The first time he was left at that Jerry day care he was too afraid too leave on his own... Now he's reached a point where he snuck off there's on his own somehow and has his own mini adventure.
Just one thing
This Beth’s dad wasn’t Rick Prime
That’s Morty’s grandfather, savage Beth was Rick Primes daughter
Does it really matter tho? Most of them are interchangable
Si you are saying that the true Beth is the sauvage Beth
@@daniapfel9673 yup ..... i mean it makes sense if savage Jerry was the "prime" and so is Morty it only stands to reason everyone else is the "prime" too 🤣
@@EYYYYYJustin is Rick Prime interchangeable with Rick c-137?
True, but to be fair, she had the exact same experience, except her Rick actually came back and died within less than a year alongside that universe's Morty, at which point they were replaced by C-137 Rick and Morty who were more or less identical. That universe's Rick is a really interesting case, because not only did he leave like Cronenberg reality Rick, but he also voluntarily chose to come back of his own accord, unless the Rick that came back was also another universe's Rick, of course. Whi could honestly keep track? Infinite is a big number and there are basically an infinite number of Ricks who are almost exactly the same, except for some tiny, irrelevant detail.
I think the post credits with Jerry kissing another Jerry shows how different he is from Beth. He doesn’t do anything over the top or anything and we know he’s ok with men cause of Mr Nimbus, he kisses himself once, shakes hands and goes off. He’s truly ok with himself the way he is and Beth’s love for herself is pretty Narcissistic
Agreed 100,000%
We knew he was okay with men from even before Mr Nimbus, all the way back from season 2. Sleepy Gary from the weird positive memory mind parasites. Both him and Beth seem to be fine with that whole nonsense despite the implications it made in their minds back then lol
Also the fact that Jerries showing up to the Jerryboree randomly trying to find another Jerry to kiss is actually a frequent enough occurrence there is hilarious.
He would be kissing himself, maybe because he loves himself as Beth thinks of him as an egocentric who only thinks about him.
Also, loving yourself doesn't mean you can cheat your husband.
Its literally this in reverse. How do you watch this show and not see how weird Jerry is 😭
I don't think Rick didn't care about Beth or who the clone is. He had to go through a lot just to make sure he didn't know, giving up a great amount of control over Beth and potentially letting her go off to her death in space where he won't know if he loses her. I think clone Beth was one of the most respectful moves Rick made for Beth.
Is it messed up? A little, as he well admits, and it was something that happened as a product of his own issues which he openly admitted when he said he was a terrible father at the end of season 4, but he also surrendered a great deal of control over Beth at the same time. If they didn't know who was "the real Beth" and he did, that's something pretty big to hold over someone. In a way, as messed up as it was, it kinda gave Beth control of her own self-perception and sense of agency which, perhaps accidentally, does show a level of growth on his part.
@@Tyler_W Exactly! I know it doesn't make you a good person to give people rights and freedoms when you're the one keeping those freedoms away, but Rick gets zero recognition of how much turmoil this put him through. But I guess it's fair enough since the Beths are emotionally messed up by Rick.
Aren't all Beths clones since Originally Rick lost his family.
@@ithamarlowe2629 not quite. *our* rick, C-137, did lose his Beth, but not all did. most didn't, in fact. the only reason *ours* did was he refused to join the other ricks as an infinite god initially.
@@ithamarlowe2629 Not clones, but not his original family. I think, though, that they've portrayed Rick as becoming more attached to everyone in the family, including Jerry. Even though Rick typically sees clones as an exact copy, he definitely was having strong conflicts over it, having to drink himself unconconscience just to ensure he didn't truly know who was who. Perhaps he's seeing Beth more equally to his "true" daughter now with how he's developing and can put some sort of distinction between the clone if he actually knew who was who. This way, it's all out of his hands and he did it for Beth, a living ghost of his child.
Bro this is taking loving yourself to a whole new level
Lesson in self love
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It's just Really Advanced Masturbation.
Feels more self absorbed than anything.
Selfcest taggers are going nuts.
That's what make it so funny and absurd.
I agree Jerry had the most (and weirdest) development in the episode (besides Beth) in how he created this middle ground where he can not only still be happy with his wife(wives?) but open minded and respectful of her needs to be happy. And as you said, it’s a recreation of what happened with his parents marriage. Honestly though, I’m pretty sure Mr Nimbus brought out this new kink in the both of them since they clearly had a threesome with him.
In other words: he’s become his father. Pro polygamy and getting in on the action himself. A lot of viewers thought this episode derailed their development from the premier but that doesn’t seem to be the case.
Let's just hope that he doesn't dress up like Superman, like I don't mind, Jerry's dad can do what he wants, but it's still very weird
It doesn’t need to be that the Smith family as a whole always had a twisted dynamic, this only slightly adds to it.
Jerry enjoying being a cuckold feels very in character to me
Polygamy often doesn't work because relationships have boundaries and polygamy is literally a relationship pushing on the boundaries, also I believe that he was ok with it because the other person is literally just his wife again not a completely different of a person.
@@madmank7881 Lots of Monogamous relationships push boundries. Also often Polyamorous relationship have well defined boundaries that everyone is aware of and have discussed previously. Boundries are quite literally the most important part of a Polyamorous relationship.
I understand what they're going for, but I'd be lying if I said this episode didn't make me feel uncomfortable from start to finish
Same. I felt like a little kid by the end in a fetal position just like "I don't like space Beth anymore..."
True
I get that Rick and Morty pushes the envelope and goes a little far but sometimes there is such a thing as going a little too far. Like Rick said “there’s masturbat*on & then there’s MASTURBAT*ON”
I don't know why, but Jerry giving permission without being asked really turned off the heat and made it awkward as Space Beth and Jerry have some psychological game over the boundaries of Beth's body. Which Beth wasn't really part of it, she was letting herself be fought over by them and it was even more awkward.
@@JaneDoe-gu5sb That's pretty funny considering that's basically how Rick, Morty, and Summer reacted.
I died when Morty was shacking the salt lol 💀
@im calling saul Naw this is finally here lol.
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Same 💀
That whole sequence was hilarious
That salt was keeping him sane lmao
For the record, this is a different Jerry, the Jerry in the first Thanksgiving episode was Jerry Prime, the one that we see die at the end of 6x1.
In other words, the Rickest Rick's most Jerry Jerry.
If THIS Jerry has come that far when we have seen THAT Jerry become the sole survior of the apocalypse, that speaks volumes.
Multi-dimensional stuff gets confusing to keep track of. I could see why people would get characters mixed up. Lol It's a shame original Jerry died. It would have been interesting to see him and how he actually developed versus our Jerry.
I usually like to think that when we get Jerry mixups its basically the same development we had before, just when we swap Jerrys then their development is more or less frozen (no status quo changes off screen unless we are told about them later)
As per why "season 2 Jerry" is in fact "season 2 Jerry".
Um, no? Our current Jerry is a more random one from the Jerrybore. C-137 Jerry is dead.
@@sircharcoalthegoat Are you saying that I am wrong? I never stated that current Jerry wasn't a rando that they just grabbed, because he is.
What he ISN'T however is Jerry Prime. Our Morty is Morty Prime. Rick is C-137 and Jerry is an unknown universe and it really doesn't matter.
He isn't Prime Jerry (survival Jerry) nor is he from the universe they (formerly) currently reside in.
THIS Jerry did however have a TON of development over the past few seasons and has really grown into himself, hence why season two Jerry was such a weak little bitch
they had the same exact history. the only thing different from Prime Earth and C137 is that C137 Rick solved the Cronenberg issue, and then exploded. Everything prior to the Cronenberg episode is still the same
I predict one of them will die and the other will have to somehow combine with the other one so that the remaining Beth will have the experience of both Beth's
My money are on Space Beth.
That could be a super sad and dramatic episode wow
Boring
I found the episode to be weird but also kinda interesting at the same time, Beth falling in love literally with herself while also trying to figure out who she is was intriguing to me, though i can't say i enjoyed the episode because like so many others i too thought it was weird and disturbing.
Isn't that the point?
The Beth on Beth romance is either extreme narcissism or incest, or both, but in the past incest jokes were portrayed as terrible and disgusting, while this episode seems to treat it as laudable. I think we are really seeing some Freudian slips.
@@whitemagus2000 it's not incest
Now, here's the interesting part of the whole "Narcissist Self-Cest" Trend: Narcissists... kind of hate themselves.
Like, we know the archetypical "I'm the most important person in the world, the universe revolves around me", but that tends to stem from genuine self hatred. Heaps upon heaps of self centered expectations they lay down on themself that they tend push onto others while trying to prop up themself.
So in a weird way, being able to love yourself like Beth does is one of the healthiest things that could happen.
Nah, There’s a lesson on loving yourself and learning stuff & then there’s writers seeing how far they can go with the concept of narcissism through yet another “-cest” fetish for shock humor.
Nobody in the family was completely ok, there was no closure. Rick Morty and Summer witnessed self-cest on a traumatic degree & Jerry was only upset because he wasn’t part of this narcissistic cucking/3 way until he was, somehow fixing a still crumbling marriage.
Roll credits.
I agree with you here, I don't personally believe that narcissists would bang themselves unless it was to hurt someone else and to say "I love myself more than you". their "self-love" is completely false and used as a tool to make others believe it for them.
I personally believe that you would fall in love with yourself if you truly loved yourself, what that would look like for each person would depend on the person, with most people most likely having platonic relationships with themselves.
it's ASSUMED that a narcissist would fall in love with themselves if they met themselves, but the real reason why they want everyone to fall in love with them is that they hate themselves. it's precisely because they don't love themselves that they try so hard to win everyone else's love and admiration. a real narcissist would hate themselves and wouldn't be satisfied with only themselves as company, at most, they would pretend in front of other people if it meant that they could convince them to do whatever they wanted, including and especially loving them more.
rick's reaction to himself is closer to the reaction you would see from a narcissist. he hates himself and though he has stated that he's already done himself, he is also acutely aware that every version of him would try to kill him instead of help him, including versions of him that stemmed from him specifically. he only ever has rude things to say about himself and he doesn't trust any version of himself unless under very specific circumstances and even then, that "trust" is basically the strength of cheap thread.
even if Beth were a narcissist, she's one in healing, she is capable of looking at herself and genuinely saying "i love myself" and "i trust myself" as opposed to the opposite. beth takes it to a whole 'nother level, but other than that I agree that this seems healthy.
Beth telling Beth she wanted her back up in her guts was definitely a mind f*ck and a half...even for Rick and Morty and also I love how Rick admits to have doing the same thing Beth is doing with another version of himself 😅🤣😂 this was a 10/10 episode 110%
Someone suggested the writers made this episode in response to criticism of the giant incest baby so this episode was their way of saying
" what you think we went to far ? Shut up we decide what's too far now enjoy this episode you helped created
@@kurtpunchesthings2411 and it turned into one of the best episodes that got released in a long time 😅🤣😂
I have zero doubt an alternate gender universe female Rick exists and I’d bet my toenails that our Rick has been in bed with her more than once
I mean of theres infinite versions of you and kinda infinite time to do what they want, its probably gonna happen just outta curiosity, especially when hes fucked aliens, civilizations, planets etc.
You'd think after the amount of clap backs they gave with the older complaints, the Antis would of been learned.
I think the main difference in Jerry being okay with odd relationships between the time that passed for each holiday is that he didn’t have to bare witness to everything the Beths did vs his parents going at it in the living room for everyone to see.
I'll be that guy: This beth's original rick isn't rick prime. Rick prime is morty's rick, and as we know this beth isn't morty's original beth.
The true Beth is the warrior Beth
@@daniapfel9673 The whole point is that both of them are equally real. You can have your headcanon about which one you consider real, but the truth of it is that the whole point is to not know.
Also not relevant to my point. Morty's mom, the woman he literally came out of, is not the beth we currently see. Neither of them.
Just a thought, but I also think that this is also a bit of a troll from the writers. People were disgusted and very critical about the giant incest baby (GIB) and for good reason. The writers are probably thinking, "Ok, if GIB is unacceptable then let's see you respond to clone twincest. What? Are you saying you're ok with it? How hypocritical." And before you say that it's selfcest and not ment to be seen as twins, the episode is called Basic TWINstinct. Yah the writer are basically giving a big middle finger towards those who complained about GIB.
Your only evidence on that is the title, which mind you, are extremely difficult to make into puns as they ALL are TV/Film titles?
Yet you don't use the fact that Space Beth bites back at Morty that she will make sure to say hi to her floating space grandchild when she leaves?
To which Morty replied with confusion and then sudden realization and just says "Oh... Naruto...."
Yes they definitely were comparing the two and yes, they were pushing boundaries.
But no, that was not at all their only point in making the episode, SO many shows that have had the MC meet themselves either fall in love or fuck themselves, it's not new territory.
It's pretty socially acceptable all things considered
Honestly that makes alot of sense
" oh you didn't like the GIB ? Say its too much too disgusting we've gone too far ? Shut up we decide what's too much now Beth is gonna have lesbian sex with space Beth and were gonna leave an obvious hint that Rick once fucked himself enjoy
I'm surprised you didn't called the GIB 'Naruto'
@@AzureRadio I never said that it was the only point of the episode, just that I wouldn't be surprised if the writers were also poking fun at some of their critics by creating an psudoincest plot everyone is fine with when a lot of their critics are very vocal about Naruto and other incest plots. Don't know why you're so defensive about it. As said, it's just a thought.
@@Dragonblade722 The way you worded made it seem to only hold the same weight as Naruto did and that episode is the most hated episode. This episode was great and well written, gross and uncomfortable, yes, but it was still great
Beth in this reality had a different rick that left her as a kid. The rick she has now never had a family. Her original rick and morty died and got buried in the back yard. She wasn't raised by rick.
to be clear her original Rick was someone functionally identical to Rick Prime who abandoned her and the one buried in the back yard in the Mr. Frundel universe is from another universe but functionally identical to main character Rick.
So hold on, that means OUR rick didn't actually make the clones. He accepted responsibility for another rick's decision just so he wouldn't deny Beth the ability to confront him.
@@darkeather2 no the rick we follow is the same rick. His family was killed so he goes to other time lines where rick actually does have a family. He cloned beth. It's been the same rick and morty this whole time.
@@db153yt If his family was killed, then how the fuck are they still alive. You're not making sense man.
@@darkeather2 C-137 Rick's family was killed so he moved to Family Prime (first half of season 1), then when that universe got Cronenberged, he and Morty Prime left for the universe we've been following up until episode 1 of season 6, when the whole family left for another universe.
This family has:
- C137 Rick
- Morty Prime
- Some Jerry (who got mixed up at the Jerryboree)
- Season 2 Beth, Summer, Space Beth
It's why I never had a problem with Sylvie x Loki cause it's like the same thing: he essentially learned to love himself and through that become a better person than he was when he was an egomaniac.
Sylvie and Loki was different, it was a male/female relationship. For example I couldn't do my clone, but if my clone was female I'd absolutely do it
version of character dating there seif @
I dont support selfcest
@CatastropheCrow Yeah I always kinda figured Loki was at least bi, which again is cool, but shouldn't be his whole personality. Which....IT ISN'T. It's just as you mentioned, in passing. Which I'll admit, felt natural vs forced. The relationship itself going TO romance, I'm not sure how I feel on it, cause that felt rushed. When they were just on the train talking, that was one of my favorite scenes. Just two people connecting. It's weird; when Marvel does slow down people hate it. But when they sacrifice those slow down scenes for jokes, people hate it. Talk about a catch 22.
I don’t really have a problem with Sylvie X Loki since I read the original myths, which is way worse to be honest
I found the beth and space beth stuff this episode creepy, the reactions from morty and summer hilarious, and the scene with Jerry and the beths hilarious. I understand loving yourself, but only in the metaphorical sense. It's absolutely weird to do it in the literal sense. Idk about others but I personally found it creepier than the incest baby because at least morty and summer didn't actually f
I've seen Doctor Who, and The Time Traveler's Wife, any story that has a character meet themselves we will see them fuck.
It's a pretty normal reaction.
Hell, we even see Jerry go and try it in the end credits but pussy out last second and only go for a kiss 🤣
Okay but it makes a whole lot of sense that Beth (a narcissist) to start hooking up with herself
@@gaysunshineshit4662 But to not be mature enough to tell Jerry either what she was doing or how she felt. They've already had a threesome together with Mister fucking Nimbus.
Yeah I felt as uncomfortable as Summer and Morty when watching this episode
Yea same it was just weird
Your content is always a blast, and you have great analytical skills about this sort of stuff, so it's a pleasure to see you talk about this relationship that I've absolutely not been able to get out of my head since the episode aired.
As weird as this concept is I'm actually okay with it. I like where they went with the whole self love and I'm kind of surprised that they went there. For a while I was having the impression that they were just going to make them have a sister sort of relationship. Not disappointed at all. It sends a pretty nice message actually.
Imo it's not them banging that upsets me it's that how much it was effecting morty and summer you see espicaly what it did to morty that kid has been beaten up poisoned shot stabbed had to Bury his own corpse all that fucked up shit he went though yet after all that he can still feel sad and hurt
Not cool guys
I'm stuck thinking if it was incest or not? It's grossing me out. And, judging from the creator's personality and history, they did that on purpose to screw with their viewers.
@@nutscheese4510 It's selfcest. Look it up you'll see tons of it
Haven't laughed at Rick and Morty this much for a long time.
@@nutscheese4510 @Nuts Cheese Oh its not only incest-its basically as incestuous as you can imagine. They share all their DNA (save for mutations that might occur during the cloning process). Its fucking awesome.
i think the only reason why this episode was so uncomfortable to me was because before it was released i watched the preview and i read a comment that said "i like how beth and space beth almost act like sisters now!" and that comment was just repeating in my head as this episode went on
Oh man, like 30 seconds into the episode, on the very first Beth interaction at the dinner table I paused the video to say, "Oh no, Beth is a narcissist. She's totally going to fall for herself".
Man I must be dense af didn't see it coming until Beth went outside in the snow and they nearly kissed
Narcissist seems to be a common buzzword.
@@solierix True. But I feel like it's acceptable to use it to describe a fictional character who has been described as such by others in the fictional story she's present in.
Indeed. Beth is often called one, but she's hardly been portrayed as one really.@@solierix
I just remembered the Jeriboriee, which means that all those Jerrys that lost their ricks and mortys, who were left behind at that jerry day care, ended up back home. Which is actually kinda nice
In the episode, I know all the realistic games are supposed to be lame. But “Getting to a Street Fight” sounds like a fun time. Locating each other on an identical map and using fighting moves on each other when we’re in the same location. I wanna play it, even when there’d definitely be trolls who avoid starting the fight when they know it’s not a win.
I Really want to Play a Fighting Game like That
I was waiting for this for years, and I never honestly expected it to happen.
Now we just need a Superman costume hanging in Jerry's closet as an easter egg so we know that he's in the proper headspace for watching from the closet.
Rick definitely used a love potion on them. The episode starts off with jerry saying he’d kill himself if Beth cheated so rick poisoned the wine so they both fell in love with each other (or themselves). And that’s why at the end rick said he learned something too and was visually upset. And why he put the wine in his secret sci-fi cabinet.
that's an interessting one
Yeah, it's totally artificial, wonder when it will ease out of their system.
Agreed, he wanted to give space beth a spot in the family. He cant exactly verbalize that his twin daughters should sex each other up, so he took the manipulative route.
100
Space Beth sucks. The sooner they kill her off the better.
i feel like it goes past self love and just jumps to a weird level of narcissism
I agree.
THATS WHAT IVE BEEN SAYING. Only narcissists would fuck themselves, it doesn’t matter how attractive they are or their sexual orientation, that shits weird.
The fact its completely in character when it comes to Beth helps.
At first I thought this was going to be a Jaime/Cersei type of relationship, but thankfully it was so much healthier than those two together.
Its literally MORE incestuous than Jaime and Cersei. lol.
@@loki6498 they can't have kids though so it's way better. Also no famililial relationship which (along with inbreeding) is the gross part of incest anyway
@@loki6498 beth and space beth are, well, one is a clone of the other, rather than a brother/sister situation with one person being a manipulative, abusive unethical bitch with an equally unethical(if at least not abusive) brother. Instead its more excess self-love thats taken to far with beth that we always saw even as early as the first season(like blaming summer for her not getting to be an actual surgeon). At least it turned out to be healthy, if a shade on the weird side(if in a comical way). My first response; “BETH YOU NARCISSIST!l”, and i was laughing my ass off.
@@adinakruijssen3056 "The gross part of incest". What then, to you, is the part of incest that's not gross?
This is NOT "self-love"... This is closer to the _original_ narcissism (as in the one from Greek mythology); literally being in love with and lusting after yourself.
R&M is really pushing the incest themes last couple seasons...
the Greek story about narcissus* if I remember right was about someone who fell in love with his own reflection eventually dying from starvation.
thank you Engknighht for giving me the proper name to the character
Agreed. This is either pure distilled narcissism or incest, depending how you look at it.
@@inyu00 it was Narcissus, not pan
@@Jayce_2624 oops lol thx. I've been calling narcissus pan for years. I feel dumb.🤦♂
15:20 i was never bothered by his view on his parents. They appeared without any prior talk with a stranger for christmas and just expected their son to accept it in a second.
Right? I’m like… most people would not accept something like that out of the blue.
This was my favorite episode of the season so far. I found morty and summers reactions so hilarious
If ur having a hard time with self deprecation, something that helped me was switching to self aggrandizing instead. So like if you do something embarrassing instead of saying “haha omg I’m such an idiot” be like “haha omg I’m the most graceful person to walk the earth”
It helps get ur head out of a negative thinking cycle, and also makes those around u less uncomfortable, in my experience at least.
It’s still so wild to me that through a clone cuckold plot line they managed to create the healthiest romantic relationship in this show’s history. This is also probably the funniest episode of the season so far just everything is perfect here.
Loving yourself can be accomplished without lusting yourself is all i have to say to this very strange episode.
I don’t feel like Rick didn’t care which Beth sat across the table from him. I think that in the end he couldn’t deal with the responsibility of the decision. Like the therapist said he doesn’t like the idea that he’s in control of himself. And so being given this level of control over someone who he’s grown to care about
The final conversation/discussion between the Beths and Jerry was hilarious. Especially with the other three listening in during their meal. I had not laughed during a RM episode this hard for a long time.
This did a great job of me accepting how this is interesting and I was almost on board before I remember it's herself. Also this has broken my brain.
In my opinion, I can’t really sympathize with Beth’s arc. Her longing to be someone she couldn’t and “self-love” has made her clasp on to a life that she never had, and her obsession with keeping clone beth around damages Morty and Summer. Not to mention that Space Beth and Earth Beth aren’t “the same person.” They’ve lived a long time apart and had a lot of different experiences. This is essentially like having a relationship with an identical twin sibling.
It doesn’t matter how much the show portrays this relationship as “tender” or “intimate.” It will always come of to me as a narcissistic ego trip with incest. To me it’s incest, it’s like identical twins fucking.
Truth... This was a wierd turn and very Narcissistic
So in conclusion, Jerry, is bangin TTTTWWWWWIIINNNSSS!!!! JERRY, HAS WON!
@@LouBasques1423 facts
Me in season 2: holy fuck what's next
Me in season 6: holy fuck please stop
I respect the symbolism. I always watch the inside the episode videos the creative team explain the meaning in each episode. However, I was laughing/freaking out at the same time. XD I am all for self love but even after I learned quick were the episode was leading to, I wasn't ready to watch her hook up with another version of herself. I think I have watch more of this season before I know which is my fave ep because they aren't bad episodes, but So far I like ep 1. The intro gave me hype for this season. Still excited for what surprises are in store for this season.
Where can you see that?
@@happyweek11 Its in a few places but the adult swim youtube channel one of them.
Never thought I'd see a selfcest ship be given support but you make a lot of good points, so I can vibe with this
I had guessed that as some point that the Beths and Jerry would have a three way and wow I did not expect it to be like this.
I mean I had guessed he would try because as a guy I think in all honesty most men would do the same but I didn't expect them to be so into each other the way they were
It just clicked for me. This episode is designed to confuse you and make you speculate, while the creators laugh at you because there was no real point, it's just a joke to them, and you are part of it.
Been that way for a while, but I got sucked in when they changed tactics, but now I've noticed it, and it all makes sense.
I mean that's kind of the whole show lmao
I dunno if I would straight-up fall in love with myself, but I can see myself being best friends with my clone. And honestly, if a clone of me developed into a different enough person, into a person I could admire and wanted to be? Nothing's impossible, I guess
Someone in the writers room needs to go to horney jail
I haven’t even seen the episode but I saw the title and thumbnail and had to watch this
To be fair it isn't incest when it's with yourself
Clones are genetic and related.
This episode actually pissed me off, because Beth not only is harming her family by having an affair, but she is making her children feel like they aren't truly safe in there own home, remember they start playing hyper realistic video games just so they feel like they have even a fraction of control, while Jerry was cast to the wayside, even while he's hurting and in his pill beatle form they (the Beth's) keep insulting him calling his genuine grief a temper tantrum.
Wow Beth is going to have all the confidence after spending a lifetime of self love on the holodeck.
If I had a nickel for every time a character got shipped with an alternate version of themselves from a different universe I'd have 3 nickels, which is frankly a worrying amount of nickels.
Okay i can recall this and the Loki Series...But also another Story?
@@Kuraikoamiki probably the lorax? Tumblr went crazy for the onceler but had no one to ship him with bc the only other notable characters in the movie are a child and a lorax. So they shipped him with himself lmao
When my friend told me about this episode, I rolled my eyes and said, “Really? Self-cest? That’s Rick level of narcissistic.” But she said how it was actually really cute in a weird way.
We watched it together, and it became one of my favorite episodes. I’m glad I watched it.
We could all learn a little more self love for sure.
S.C.:-"We're naturally negative". Me:-"Only a sith deals in absolutes"!
I noticed that the first episode of this season kinda hinted at it when space Beth made a comment on Beth, also summer and Morty’s reaction was hilarious
I think people are being weirdly charitable towards Beth here. The way both Beths talk smack about Jerry "needing to be in control" of it is... extremely fucked up, given by this point they're in an open marriage, as demonstrated with the Mr. Nimbus episode.
It's a basic rule of open relationships that you run things by your partner before doing them. Beth didn't. It's a pretty basic thing of her being in the wrong, even if there was a meaningful degree of symbolism to it.
I think he summarizes it best: "It's not 'A Handmaid's Tale' to loop in your husband."
Now that said, I love that they made him develop from who he was. Him coming out of pillbug mode (on top of how he even got it) was probably one of the most refreshing bit of healthy self-confidence and self-acceptance that I wasn't expecting the episode to go down.
If "Sonic: Prime" does end up being about parallel universes I hope Sonic won't meet a female Sonic, because I have a nasty feeling about what might happen between them...
bold of you to assume it would be female...
I was waiting on this. The minute I saw this episode I knew you were going to cover it
I have been watching the progression of your videos (as well as your beard and hair growth) for over the past year to year and a half, good job.
Space Beth reminds me of Spamton from Deltrarune in how she tries to force her freedom based off of trying to be like someone who gained absolute freedom, but in trying her best not to be a puppet and fall into the pits of her old life she ended confining her fate to stay trapped into a specific way of living more than anyone else.
Technically this Beth’s father wasn’t the richest Rick, it was the Beth in the first few episodes of the show before morty got them all killed
What I can't understand is rick sanchez can make breathable water and and entire human clone of himself but he can't make that damn house with every room soundproof.
Beth dyes her hair! I just noticed that space Beth's design has her Roots showing through space Beth real Beth? Or does it mean space beth is being more true to who she really, and that Beth even though she chose the house life still feels like she's living a lie and it's not able to be her true self?
This episode made me laugh so much, it was my exact brand of humor
We need more examples of healthy polyamory- they make jokes without making them the but of the joke 💘
Polyamory is not healthy.
@@bakedbeans5494 Relationships half the time aren't necessarily ending up healthy lol
@@Indictioned Cringe.
Thought it was gross and shines just how broken they all are both individually and as a family.
Why gross?
@@Untitled_-_Productions. Cause in a way, its kind of like fucking your twin
@mcbuttmaster42 not really I just find it hot lol
So we not gonna talk about how awful Beth is as a mother and person?? Causally cheating and not giving a shit about her husband and kids even causally abusing them (if the Summer memories are to be believed) and even letting them die on multiple occasions and continuing to let Rick have involvement in their lives which has literally gotten Morty killed and abused more often then not?
It's not much of a topic anymore. The writers will make characters do shitty things with little care for now it effects the show if it gets a laugh. Just watch solar opposites, the show will at least own up to its bullshit and do it better.
did you not understand the complete analysis of this video?
I wanna write this but without the selfcest.
Nah, this episode wasn’t positive… It was about feeding into Beth’s narcissism in the worst possible way
the wine was the main issue
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Also check out Made in Abyss, such a good show
Even the question of 's3lfcest or m@strubation' seems too dignified for this episode
-which is narcissism
The entire point of this episode is that the ship doesn’t work, it messes with the relationship with the family, with Beth’s marriage, it messes with her ego, and it’s like a weird type of incest, thematically they’re like twins so that’s disgusting, canonically they’re Beth and her literal clone so it’s confusing and even weirder.
The comedy of the episode works because most of it comes from either the family being weirded out and annoyed by the ship which is relatable, or the show itself presenting other types unrelated jokes so that the audience can forget of what we just saw.
This is more selfcest than selflove
I guess what I don't understand is how Beth puts herself in the position of "Jerry's wife" when theoretically she is outside of their finite curve dynamic
Or just on the basic level: she is outside of the marriage. It's not a card to pull as a power play, she never married him. So it's an interloper admitting that they are doing what they do to intrude. She is not grounded here. The only thing she has is self-justification and deflection. It's plain even for Morty to gripe over
Jerry going into pill bug form was the smartest play because there is no way he could take on Beth and her father to have her removed from the home
I suppose the only thing that Jerry has above everyone is the structure of marriage. I'd argue that it's bigger than Beth >> it's bigger than Rick since he is the being that instantiated the finite curve. All that he does he does out of spite for his lost family. Rick prime kills that family out of spite for C-137's contentedness
In other words the space between consenting adults creates the universe. Idealism is what makes Jerry's toxic, but all the same there is power in that bond. It's just weird for Space Beth to act like a rebellious teenager over it, either you're in or you're out. You don't get to pick and choose what rules to follow
Learning to find love with a human being separate from yourself requires giving up on the ideas of a "perfect partner" that you've grown up with, because the goal of real human love cannot be to try to squeeze someone into that archetypical form in your imagination. It cannot work anyway, and it's the source of agony in so many relationships, because most people never learn this lesson. You have to realize, that in order to be happy you have to be ready to welcome to your life someone who isn't you, and learn to love them for who they are.
I'm sorry but seeking anything healthy in creating a literal, romantic and sexual relationship with a literal clone of yourself is complete nonsense. It's the opposite of giving up on those preexisting expectations and assumptions of what your partner should be, it's the absolute consolidation of your inability to venture anywhere beyond yourself in your pursuit of love, and thus of your inability to love another human. I'm melting from cringe watching this bs.
I made a bet this would happen and I won $5, hooray for narcissism!
I thought at some stage Jerry would suggest a three way and the 2 Beth's would in disgust say no but that moment where the Beth's almost kissed I was like oh fuck this is gonna get dark and after all that I was like phew we've made it its over thennnnn Jerry consenting ....... you'd swear this episode was a fan made porn
Gotta say this, dude. I particularly enjoy watching your videos because I love the way you speak. I mean, it's good content, but your tonal inflections are a massive plus. Keep it up, man.
The height of narcissism
I'm afraid I can't help but nitpick, but the episode Jerry's parents showed up was the first Christmas episode, as apparent by all the Christmas decorations and clothing. Although you likely figured that out while editing the video.
I'm also afraid that was two Jerries ago. Anatomy Park was the third episode and in the sixth episode Rick turned everyone outside of the family into Cronenbergs and fled to another time line, meaning the Jerry who was uncomfortable with this parents being polyamorous was just killed by Prime Rick. Granted the next Jerry likely had a similar experience, Rick choosing a universe that was the same until a little while ago, but that Jerry was infected by Mr. Frundles. This is a third Jerry, randomly stuck with them because of the Jerryboree.
I feel like the hole “selfcest,” tag is one that needs to be done on a case by case basis, and with varying degrees on other peoples preferences.
On the one hand it is important to love you’re self and who better to make a connection with than and knows you better than yourself.
On the other hand I feel like it was never supposed to be this literal. And this is the purest and literal definition of narcissism. Like Rick said, “there is master bating and then there is, master bating.”
It’s great Beth can find someone she can connect with. But when it starts affecting you and the ones around you badly. You’ve gone too far.
Not to mention that adding Jerry in at the end in the worlds most uncomfortable three way, just made this episode all kinds of uncomfortable.
Then there was that bit at the end with Rick and the wine, that makes me wonder if this was planned or not.
How has Rick not sound proof the walls by now? Hopefully this will get his butt in gear and do that.
Nah this was just weird as hell
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Post credits with Jerry was hilarious
If everything is good between Beth and Jerry I wonder why in the teaser for episode 4 Beth goes to sleep on the couch
"Why Beth X Space Beth WORKS" - Sounds like something a twisted h-anime connoisseur would say.
The best "use" of a clone: self awareness being in love and respectin' her identity. I love Jerry reaction: he loves family Betty, he's okay with her feelings and has learnt that he doesn't need to take advantage on HER insecurities to feel emotionally safe. I'm liking it!
Jerry kinda pulled a chad move my guy just gets a three way with two versions of his wife
samething i just remember the once-ler for the lorax was ship with himself
What, they pulled a Loki?
It's the same writer. I think he should talk with his therapist about self-love. I see a pattern
I appreciate that all the characters get to show some great growth this episode.
the realistic Street Fighters bit was hilarious and it's easily one of my new favorite bits
Ik the minute I saw the episode you'd drop a video abt this lunacy
This episode was amazing. I laughed so hard I started coughing lmao. Such a beauty message wrapped in impeccable comedy.
I also love how this ties into their openness with mr nimbus lmao. Expect much healthier in a way lol
i understand the meaning behind it, but i still felt second hand embarrassment and awkwardness throughout the entire a plot. I adored the b plot though, rick and his grandkids interacting like a down to earth family??? i need more
the jerry x jerry kiss was hilarious though, since it was more of a throwaway gag.
Selfcest?, What is this fate series?
i liked the video, nice work, it was alot of fun to watch and hear your opinions on it.
i was hoping you would comment on the part near the end. as space beth is leaving jerry says "well seems like we all learned a little lesson this weekend. atleast i know i did" and rick says "me too jerry, me too." next we see rick pick up the bottle of wine both beths were drinking and he puts it in a secret storage place where other weird bottles are, and then destroys the remote to access it.
i didnt know what this meant, i was wondering if it meant rick for some reason planned for this to happen by putting something in the drink to cause the beths to feel the way they did about each other.
I dont understand how the jerryboree works, weren't all the travelers sent back, so the jerrys shouldn't be at the Jerryboree anymore
It still to me a sad relationship like it looks romanticized but at the end they still haven't completely except or worked through their lives just masked it. Like Space Beth and Earth Beth vicariously are attracted to what each other have but they are practically the same person so yeah shrug.
The r34 artists are gonna have a field day with this episode
This episode had me in creases, I had to pause it multiple times because I was too busy laughing and freaking out to pay attention, and it's a shame that it's probably going to be viewed in the same light as the incest baby episode, by some.
Your channel is the reason the "not interested' option exists