1. Please do Hey Arnold Next 2. Doug from Channel Awesome made a joke about The Skunk on his Space Jam Review. They cancelled Peppe le peu but kept Pennywise the child murderer and the Clockwork Orange "Rappers" in the background
It gets worse when you realize where she got this behavior from. Which is her teacher who constantly does the same thing to Schnitzel. Its a young abuser learning from an older one.
@@valentinkambushev4968 I would say its a bit worse with Endive actually, Yes they are both wrong for their actions. But Panini is a little girl, she is obsessive, stalking, controlling, etc. But i dont think she fully knows the full depth of the words she is saying, its kinda like she only knows as such through what she observed. Now compare that to Endive who is a grown adult woman who should know full well what she is saying and doing, and she is in a higher position of power, and is doing it with someone (i think) younger than her. It just gets a lot more creepier, in my opinion.
@@darryljack6612 you do make a good point. However I am willing to forget it because there are like one or two episodes where Endive's crush is the main plot, while in the others it's only mentioned once. Also I think they are on the same age.
@@darryljack6612 Remember the episode where Schnitzel quits from Mung's and go work with Endive. She had a literal skeleton on her closet of some other guy she loved. Crazy runs on the business
Being told that you couldn’t have been assaulted because “you just wanted it” is the worst thing to hear after you’ve been hurt no matter what your gender/orientation.
i usually don't comment on videos but as someone who went through sexual manipulation and coercion this statement really hits hard since it's my own mom who keeps saying it :' )
@@IllMatic97 hi! i was 19 at the time, and my ex was a...rich bastard lol (im scared to say more. he has a team of lawyers bc of his dad. i've accepted i'll never get justice haha) he made it out that the only way to repay and make his gifts to me worth it was having intercourse with him. he wouldn't stop begging until i said yes. it happened more than once.
Even when I was a kid, I thought Panini's extreme thirstiness was unnerving af. I actually kinda preferred when she wasn't simping over Chowder because then her headstrong and crazy personality got the chance to shine through in other ways.
Jesus I thought I was alone on this. Glad to know I wasn't alone in this. Even with ADHD, not understanding social cues I understood that this girl was unhinged
yeah it would've been better if they made Panini take the role of Chowder's rival who secretly likes him but she cares more about learning to cook just like Chowder so her personality could actually shine through and Chowder can still dislike her for working for his Boss' rival .... this kind of dynamic would've erased the creepy behavior plus there could be a lot of good gags and shipping moments that could amount from this
@@justalula7151 like a less stalkerish version of Helga Pataki! It would be cute for her to be a (non abusive) tsundere to chowder rather than a yandere
I imagine Panini learned that shit from Endive. Since Endive has a very similar dynamic with Schnitzel. In the Schnitzel Quits episode she full on kidnaps him and tries to force him to marry her. And everyone treats it like the threat that it is and they try to save him. Meanwhile Panini does it and we’re suppose to laugh. That is blatant Double Standards. And even then Schnitzel still married Endive by the end of the show. I love Chowder it is a part of my childhood but seriously WHAT THE FUCK.
@@anonymouslucario285 , I’m the biggest One Piece fan of all time, and I still don’t like certain arcs like Enies Lobby and Water 7, so yes you can still like a series and critiquing why those arcs in the story doesn’t work or belong in the stories ongoing long running narrative.
What so many people never seem to understand is that sexual abuse is genderless. It doesn't matter if the aggressor is a man, woman, trans, nonbinary, what have you; abuse is abuse, no how you try to paint over it.
I mean, I found it amusing. Actually still do. I enjoyed how psycho and manipulative panini was. I also don't see a problem with the family guy jokes involving Quagmire. Nor do I see a problem with Pepe lepew. I recognize that these are characters and bits that revolve around stalking, domestic abuse, unwanted advance and so on, but so what? Joking about taboo things is par for the course when it comes to comedy.
@@CatacombD Finally, someone with a fucking brain. I swear man, these people can kinda get sensitive over stuff that isn't even real. (In cartoons, not irl)
There was actually an episode where chowder meets a girl named marmalade. She was in the show for just that episode but she is INFINITELY a better love interest than panini.
@@Illogical_Tales Marmelade literally just met Chowder in that one episode (while he was running away from Panini) and I guess they became instant friends over some things they had in common. The very idea of Chowder talking and hanging out with another girl made Panini jealous even though Chowder & Marmelade were just friends, new acquaintances.
Chowder would've been better off with that friendly lip balm girl, they just became friends right away and seemed to have fun together. Panini was Tootie from Fairly OddParents, but much worse.
I never liked that Dan Harman shipped Tootie with Timmy when they got older. It would've been better to give her a better coping mechanism than latching onto Timmy
Weirdly enough, Panini seemed really chill about her liking Chowder in the episode she was introduced. It came off more as a lovey dovey crush than a forceful ordeal that it became episodes later. Though, quite frankly, Chowder in general was relatively chill in the early eps.
Same, I wish they would’ve brought her back to hang out with Chowder, heck it be interesting if they just replace Panini with her like imagine the Christmas special or any episode with no Panini just lip balm girl(I wish I remembered her name).
This actually happened in iCarly too, Sam constantly physically abused Freddie when they dated, forced him to smuggle ham in his pants, and locked herself in a mental hospital because she thought she was insane for liking him, it’s really awful. Also, in Miraculous Ladybug too, Marinette stalked Adrien so badly that she has his entire private daily schedule, broke into his house and sniffed his pillow, and would kiss a wax statue of him.
I do agree that Sam&Freddy relationship wasn’t the best. Even before they started dating in the show. However, I disagree with Marinette staking Adrien badly. The reason she has his schedule is because she’s the class representative and he is very busy with piano, fencing, modeling and Chinese lessons. As for the wax figure scene, it definitely is cringe but the full context was her role playing to what she believed was a wax sculpture to help her get over her nerves. When it was really him and she was really embarrassed when he revealed himself. The pillow sniff is bad, but her main goal was just to leave a gift (which he does like&wear) after being denied by his strict father’s assistant.
@@dexholderred2469 None of these justify her being such a stalker and there's more stuff too, she also tried to climb over a wall to watch over Adrien when he was in that car with Lila, I wish that fireman that came taught a lesson that stalking is bad but he helped her climb over to watch Adrien. She abandoned her friends to dress up as some stupid looking biker guy to sneak in Adrien's party. Chat Noir puts his trust in her and she tells Alya her identity even though she's been akumatized before and had her superhero identity was revealed to Hawk Moth, and she still won't let Chloe be Queen Bee for some reason. She also STOLE KAGAMI'S PHONE to talk crap about her to her friend because Kagami was into Adrien!
@@SpongeyBubby I can think of another female character from another CN show who fits that category: Berry from FHFIF. Even though she only appeared in two episodes, she was pretty similar to Panini, having an obsessive crush on Bloo and doing everything she could to have him all to herself. One of the differences was that, unlike Chowder, Bloo was blissfully clueless to how SERIOUS Berry was about her obsession with him.
@@sarahsims6164 It had been a long-ass time since I watched Foster's. I could not remember Berry right off the bat, but then I looked her up and one second of looking at her design, the memories flooded back like a fucking dam had broken. Holy shit!
you know what let's talk about it. kid shows (especially kid cartoons) get away with mess like this because it's "for kids" and people don't take media made "for kids" seriously.
It's arguably worse if it's, "for kids" because shows for kids are going to be teaching younger generations what's right and what's wrong. Children's media is one of the most important types of media, and it can be detrimental if it's screwed up to this degree
Except they forget that kids actually do take it seriously, because they don't have any romantic experience. So they just absorb what they see on TV in cartoons and repeat it I remember my female classmates when we were 11/12 years old - when they had a crush on this guy from other class they followed him home everyday, took pictures of him, found some of his personal info and tried to talk to his little brother. And also laughed and insulted his mom for some reason. And the worst thing is that not only almost no one thought it's wrong, people got dragged into it and helped them with the stalking, taking pictures etc.
Btw I love your content and the points you make in your videos. Parents complain that video games makes children violent but apparently cartoons teaching that lying or being a stalker is ok is fine lmao 💀
"Wayside" is one of the worst examples. It had the girl punching the boy with a cartoonishly enlarged fist as a recurring gag. The worst part is, when the boy accidentally pulled her ponytail (which was sort of the result of another girl teasing them) he got called out and punished.
When I think of the double standard, I think of Miraculous Ladybug. The protagonist Marinette stalks the boy Adrien, breaking into his house, stealing his phone, smelling his pillow, memorizing his schedule without being told what it is, etc. Her stalking him and feelings for him are obsessive, and I know if the roles were reversed, it wouldn't be accepted. Doesn't help that the guy says in show he doesn't like being a model and people coming at him without knowing him, yet she does exactly that and is never called out for her behavior and everyone supports her "crush."
@@valentinkambushev4968 I don't recall Aang or Dipper doing anything particularly creepy toward them, not even if they were the same age as their crushes.
@@valentinkambushev4968 Ok, I don't know what Dipper did, but Aang was never creepy with Katara from what I can remember. Certainly not on the level of Marinette. Wanting a crush to be reciprocated and acting like a doofus as a result is normal. That's why people overlooked Marinette's early creepiness. But it literally never stopped for four years. That said, I'm not convinced that people would actually get mad if a boy was doing it to a girl. I used to think stuff like "a story about a male teacher going after female students would NEVER be okay", for example, and then I heard of Pretty Little Liars where that was normalized and celebrated by fans on national television. So... yeah. Outrage is... negotiable, I suppose.
Even worse she once abandoned her job as protector of Paris to stalk Adrain in another country lying to her family in the process and acts like its okay. Adrain dose it as well later on and gets ton of shit for it from both Ladybug and the fanbase double standards at its finest.
@@damkylan3 Tbh, iirc DIpper and Wendy were actually pretty chill and reasonable with how that all ended. Dipper had a crush on Wendy, an older girl clearly out of his age range for dating, and several times the show lampshaded that with other characters mentioning to Dipper she's too old for him, even at one point having them go back in time where a really young Wendy thought Dipper was cute and he was weirded out by it since she was younger than him by a wide margin, a point which his sister Mabel makes a moment later. Eventually, Dipper is forced to confront his crush and be honest to Wendy about it, they have a heart to heart about why it can't happen, but Dipper accepts the truth like an upstanding guy and they remain friends after. By all accounts it was a refreshing and really progressive way to handle a story like that.
It's shocking how much people misunderstand Pepe Le Pew. The cat runs from him because he smells bad. Not because she's scared of him. In fact, she sometimes runs right into his arms happily, but then realizes how stinky he is and runs for dear life. She's not afraid of being harassed; he just smells unGodly awful
Bruh, as a woman myself it's infuriating how girls/women characters get a free pass if they're hella creepy in their attachment to their crush. But if a boy/man behaved in the same way, fans would be SCREAMING to boycott the show and cry at the writers, asking them how dare they write such an awful character. This is one of the reasons I can't stand Marinette in Miraculous, her yandere behavior is always just laughed off as her being "quirky" or even worse, encouraged. Men can be sexually harrassed too, no matter how much our society tells us otherwise.
Right? It's harder for a woman to full blown rape a man (not impossible, but definitely less common/more difficult) but it's like people forget that sexual harassment doesn't JUST harm you because you are afraid it will end in a rape. If I get my boobs squeezed by some rando I will be upset that my boobs were squeezed, even if for whatever reason I know it's not going to escalate further. The harassment is it's own bad. But since most girls can't physically overpower most men, people dont see the issue with them sexually harassing them.
Same! Marinette went from a strange fan to a creepy stalker and now I really don’t like her I liked her better in season 1 and 2 since her stalkerish traits weren’t as prominent
@@gigismith8133 I mean, that's the reason why most cases of female r*pists are child predators. Since most of the time they can't physically coerce a full grown man (unless they use threats and blackmail to make it "consensual"). Plus, it is (unfortunately) easier to coerce s child
this bothered me SO much as i was a kid watching this show but every time i would mention that it was weird everyone around me (even adults) would just say that it was just a joke or that chowder would come around eventually (which based on that episode where he’s literally destined to marry her apparently he will be that just makes it even worse to me lol). so essentially my younger self would have been so grateful for this video lol
Tbh they said the same thing for the skunk. "It's just a joke and the cat likes him anyway when he isn't smelly" I think that but the tone the skunk came back up due to the reboot, no one remembered chowder so no one complained.
The Sad thing is, they could have made the Ship wholesome if they made it about Panini Constantly making a fool of herself to get Chowders attention. That's something Both Girls and Boys can do for each other, and it's quirky and funny without being creepy. This just comes off as Annoying, and would have been banned off television if the roles were reversed.
Also if he was more oblivious to her crush (obsession) and was seen genuinely enjoying being in her presence instead of screaming in terror the moment he sees her. If they showed her as you said being clumsy and more secretly obsessed and their status was good friends then it would leave many to think “they are likely to end up together as adults and I am all for it.”
I think the worst case of the “Double standard, women being pervs to men” trope is the Kanker Sisters. Who repeatedly stalk, harass, attempt to smooch and strip the Ed’s naked at least twice. But NEVER get any comeuppance for it. And they are completely genre blind when the Ed’s turn the tables in an episode and stalk the Kankers to their room. (All a plan by Double-D to use reverse psychology). Ed Edd n Eddy is a great show, but that’s an aspect that hasn’t stood the test of time.
I'm fairly certain that element was meant to be karma for their own stupid actions, like that episode where they try to scare the other kids with that house dare, and wind up in a horrible tunnel of love. Don't get me wrong, it was still creepy, but there were a lot of times in the show where the Eds' stupidity got them into those situations. I mean, look at all the times they just walked right into the Kankers' trailer park because they weren't using their heads.
I don’t think the irs s double standard in Ed Edd n Eddy considering the Kankeds actions are seen as bad and meant to be seen as bad. And that episode was just them facing Karma for how they treated the Ed’s. It wasn’t meant to say, when the Ed’s do it, it’s bad but when the landers do it, it’s okay. That’s not what happened at all.
funnily enough, in the Valentine's special, Double-D and May Kanker get smitten thanks to Cupid Jimmy and Sarah's arrows, and even after things resolve, there is a slight hint that the feelings were still somehow there between them...ah, but yes, the real undoing of this all is good ol' Status Quo.
@@IllMatic97 I think by talking about it and making our voices heard, we can loudly declare that we reject shitty media, loud enough so showmakers will listen. I refuse to just accept that some bad things are just the way things are.
Let’s not forget Marmalade! Y’know, that sweet girl Chowder actually liked being around (in a friend capacity) that made Panini go even crazier than usual. Like, imagine if it was the other way around. A girl meets a guy and they become friends, only for this obsessive stalker boy to come say “No, you can’t hang out with him.”
I wish Panini was more of an actual rival to Chowder. It would’ve been awesome to see her competitive but not in a romantic or creepy way. Having the two have a bake off and strictly be competitive and eventually forming to be friends would’ve been so awesome. If we have to have characters that are creepy, they should be the random ass characters who never show up in the show again. But literally yes to the double standards arguments in the video and not taking women harassers/assaulters seriously. It continues the narrative of gender roles of “guys can’t be hurt because they’re men and they like it” fr fr
I would like to see both as she would try to have her motivation to get chowder and tries to beat him as I do enjoy the lines of chowder and panini simp moments I would love panini to do some character interaction with what she can do as a female character and what her personality can do for other characters and her relationship with her master be more special
When I was 7 there was this one girl who was OBSESSED with me. She would constantly follow me around, not let me see my other friends, and called me (I kid you not) her "husband". It got so bad that my teacher (Mrs. Smith) stepped in and finally broke us up. So yeah, the things that happened to Chowder happened to me too.
Literally same. In pre school, kindergarten, 1st, and 2nd grade there was a girl in my class that would always stalk me and call me her “husband” She would always say that she wanted to grow up to be a mommy and I would be a daddy with her. It was quite annoying how all our teachers seen it as “cute” when I was literally being harassed by her daily!
"And living inside a giant bong" That one line has completely reshapen how i saw chowder as a kid. And it makes everything make so much more sense. Didnt like it as a kid, but now i feel i need to give it a second chance lol
Just checked, that infact happened Now that I remember, I used to watch this show on UA-cam, and those where reuploads of the episode minus the opening and the credits
It should've been a healthier relationship though. To be fair, I haven't watched Chowder. We're there any characters that Chowder could've had a healthy romantic relationship with?
@@andysee6996 Nope, the only romantic interest Chowder had on a regular basis was Panini (and some one-off girl for an episode, that was pretty much played for getting Panini jelaous)
@@sadvec6328 but what about that rat kid? Don't remember their gender but they had a cool dynamic. (I think the rat kid is male, I don't mind a bicon in chowder)
"And if you want an actual good version of this relationship, go watch " 'Hey Arnold!'." That was such a good note to end on. If Panini had been written a bit more like Helga, even just a tiny bit, then her character would have been exponentially more bearable than she turned out. Yeah, Helga's obsession with Arnold was at times creepy and unnerving (to the point where it's taken to dark extremes in Robot Chicken sketches like everything else), but Helga never tried to force herself on Arnold. The closest she came to doing that was in the first movie where she confesses to him and kisses him. Helga may have bullied Arnold to mask how she felt about him, but Arnold could still tell that she was a good person deep down. This mainly shines through in the way she interacts with people other than Arnold; especially Phoebe. And honestly, I think that's a major contributing factor to Panini's downfall as a character. She interacted with so few characters other than Chowder. She's either attached to Endive, stalking Chowder, begrudgingly spending time with Gorgonzola only because Chowder is currently with him at the moment, or hanging with Ceviche; a.k.a. the boy who actually likes her but whom she constantly shoots down. Because Panini's obsession with Chowder was her defining character trait, she basically didn't have much of a life outside of him. And it doesn't help that the show is told almost entirely from Chowder's perspective, even in episodes that aren't about him specifically. If Panini had an actual social life and more friends, and we were able to see her interact with them, maybe her character would have been fleshed out more. Of course, in my opinion, this would have only worked if she had lost interest in Chowder, but she was still interested in being friends with him like she was at the end of her first appearance in "Chowder's Girlfriend." Had Panini been written as Chowder's friend, with the two of them having a playful back and forth dynamic like you would expect to see between friends in cartoons, and if she had a life outside of him with some stories and episodes being dedicated to what she was doing, then I guarantee her character would have been much better off. And if they had to entertain the notion of shipping during the show, they could have made it so that Panini and Ceviche tried dating for a while (they'd have to fix Ceviche a bit as well), or they could have made Chowder and Panini grow closer in a healthier way than the whole "It's destiny, so you can't fight it" storyline we got in the finale. Lastly: FUCK DOUBLE STANDARDS! NO MEANS NO!
Something I want to add to the “Pepe believes his own hype” thing: Pepe also got physically hurt. He chased cats whom he _thought_ were skunks. And then they voiced their displeasure at his unwanted attention, they did so with their *claws.* Panini, meanwhile, never got any kind of physical comeuppance for her aggravated affection. I don’t even think she got “punished,” really- the physical side of the comedy always left Chowder as the victim. And I’m not saying Chowder should have hit her (mostly because it’s not in character for him, and they _are_ supposed to be children) but I am saying that there’s a disparity, here.
Don't forget there was at least one episode where the tables turned on Pepe, he fell into a vat of blue paint that removed his smell while the cat he was chasing fell into a barrel of water and the stripes washed off. He asked if she had seen the female skunk and then walked off..but now that he no longer smells and doesn't look completely like a skunk..the female cat (now soaking wet and sneezing from time to time) thinks Pepe is hunky as all get out and locks them in a building together and starts to chase him. The whole time she was locking the door Pepe was talking to her and getting more worried before running off at a full tilt like the cats normally do from him..and the cat is now hopping along like Pepe is known to do after him and the final line is Pepe saying "You know sometimes it is possible to be TOO attractive" in a panicky voice.
Yeah, as a 4-8 year old kid, I never walked away from that show thinking Pepe's actions were okay. They were all humorous lessons in consent (which is why it's frustrating why he was cancelled imo). Anybody who thinks the cartoon was glorifying Pepe's actions never watched more than 30 seconds of it.
@@MadocComadrin He's not..totally cancelled. I still see him on Looney Tunes reruns on Boomerang from time to time..Speedy Gonzales on the other hand? not a peep. Which is a shame cause from what I understand he was 'cancelled' for being a racial stereotype or something but a lot of Mexicans came out and said "we love Speedy"..like more than people expected..but you still can't see any of his old shorts on Boomerang even if they still show Pepe.
@@alanbareiro6806 Friendly, ready to help, always there for his friends, never being mean to the foil of that particular cartoon short, usually Sylvester, rarely resorts to outright violence...honestly he's a decent role model by Looney Tunes standards.
Honestly I connect with Chowder on a personal level. I've been a victim of forceful women, or stalkers when I was younger. And people wouldn't take the situation seriously and thought it was "cute", or "adorable". But today I'm currently happily engaged with the woman I've loved for several years now.
The worst part is when detractors will say things like "Oh, so women are forceful? Nobody wants you're gross ass!" Like their taste dictates the taste of all women.
I was in situation like this wear girl was my stalker then later another girl forced herself on me I couldn’t do anything about cause she a lot stronger then me it painful
Same could be said about the tv show called “Pucca”. The main character of the show a girl named “Pucca”, and she would constantly sexually harass her crush named Garu.
@@caxtillo9876 I admit Pucca always upset me to when she chased Garu around, but there were a few times Garu showed that he cared about Pucca, like when he stopped the wedding between Ring Ring and the fake Garu (Pucca showed that she cared about Garu in that one by sitting by and watched the person she believed was Garu marry another. She looked so heart broken the entire time and yet she let it happen instead of going up there and beating the crap out of ring ring) the time he gave her flowers to cheer her up when she was crying from her heart being broken. I even remember an episode where Garu entered a dating show for Pucca's affection (against a bad clone Garu) and lost, he looked upset until Pucca attacked the fake clone Garu. Garu looked over and smiled at Pucca then proceeded to attack the clone with her and ran away after once her attention was on him. There was even another episode where he fell inlove with another version of Pucca. I think the show was trying to make Garu a Tsundra and Pucca a Yander for laughs, but they didn't go the best away about it. It doesn't help that he's on a vow of silence so we can't get his verbal take on it. Only the villagers who sometimes talk about Pucca and Garu being lovers, Garu being shy, and when he took the vow of silence
I realized that too. I have seen the original flash animated ones from 2004 (made by the original creators in South Korea) and in those ones she is not so handsy in those short, to the point where Garu actually gives affection back and even confesses his love to her in one short(they still do in any short made by the original creators). But in the tv show from 2007 (made by jetix Europe) she is way more handsy and garu never really returns affection by 100% will. But I pointed out the creators because this trope only appeared once it was being made by English people, not the original creator from South Korea (vooz is the original owner) so perhaps this is something That happens in English culture? TL;DR: pucca and garu actually seem to love each other in the shorts made by the original South Korean creators, only got uncomfortable when it was being made by English people on the tv show, so maybe this is something in English culture that’s accepted?
The creators said that Garu actually likes her, but because he took a vow of silence and is Ninja with many enemies, he chooses to avoid her and not let her get close. Still not good relationship but Pucca did show signs of giving up few times and then he would do something that would give her hope. So it's mutually wanted but not mutually persuaded relationship I suppose?
@@ines1084 Even if the creators did clarify Garu likes Lucca, then make an episode where fans can understand more why he can't reciprocate Pucca's feelings rather than him just randomly popping there and then for Pucca. To me, it seems he just did it because he sympathized her. Create a simple episode, maybe around when he decided to become a ninja and when he finally took the vow, he realized the potential of Pucca being in danger so he decided to push away his feelings and kept it locked. Then fast forward to this the present, you can see he still avoids her but then comes home, the moment he closed the door, he blushes and act like someone in love. Then open a chest where he wrote letters to Pucca but never sent it out. In a way, we can go 'oooh, that's why'. Idk, it's not that hard to create his scene. Certainly doesn't break his character too.
I swear, as a little girl, I don’t think I liked Panini very much. I didn’t hate her, I just wasn’t a fan of her weird stalker hijinks. I was more confused than amused at seeing this pink bunny girl pining after this dude. Think it was my first time watching Chowder and seeing Panini, I was just like….huh?? Now that I’m watching this video, I remember why I felt off about it. You done unlocked a memory. Appreciate it, Sarcasm🥴😭
@@nelzelpher7158 I remember watching an episode from Rabbids Invasions that had an old an expired donut, and when eaten, would turn the eater into some zombie, or something.. I forgot, I watched that when I was fairly young. And after watching that episode, I hated donuts for what? 4-7 months?..Like, if you talked about chocolate donuts (Which, by the way is my absolute favorite) I would cover my ears and or go somewhere far. I don't know if that was trauma, but I just remember hating donuts AND Rabbids invasions after that episode.
That's right children, if you don't like someone, you have to be the one to date them because that is YOUR responsibility, never mind the fact that the person clearly has consent issues and stalkerish tendencies This totally won't cause toxic relationships to fester in the future I'm sure of it
I remember vividly when I was a little kid not even in first grade and 2 girls both named christine had kissed me while we had been in classes. It was one of them on the trip at Chuck E. Cheese that kissed me out of nowhere while me and my friends were playing on the slides and the teacher saw it happen. The teacher immediately said she was going to tell my parents about it and being a kid with no voice being shy and no understanding of what to do I couldn’t even explain myself. I got yelled at by my dad about it when I was never educated on things about this at all and knew it wasn’t even my fault that it happened.
Even when I was a young teenager, I thought Panini was CREEPY AS FUCK. Her thirstiness wasn't cute, it was creepy. And Chowder was 100% not in any way shape or form interested. And it was even worse that the rest of Marzipan City thought it was adorable! If Chowder was the one being a creepy stalker towards Panini, I doubt the townspeople would have been as willing to think it's cute. Double standards aren't cute, I feel the same about Helga from Hey Arnold. She was creepy as fuck.
I did not see hey Arnold but I saw a clip where helga had a shrine to Arnold’s head which is an example of how creepy this woman force men thing is and how toxic the dynamic in chowder is.
I watched this back when it aired and I felt bad for Chowder back then. Pepe would at least get karma when his hard flirting bit him in the butt, because whenever he lost his skunk funk Penelope would reciprocate it HARD.
@@valentinkambushev4968 I know the episode you're talking about but I believe that character was considered to be his "father," Henry le Pew. (Or Stinky) Basically Pepe's origin story may have been his dad was a bad influence.
@@jenneacubero1036 it was a very early Silvester cartoon where the cat (who I don't think is named) is abused by the dog character and so gives himself a white stripe on his back to hide as a skunk. This attracts the interest of an actual skunk who mistakes a male cat for a female of his kind. The cartoon ends with the skunk, Henry, being shown to have a irritated wife and a number of kids and proceeds to get his butt kicked while the cat runs away and removes the paint stripe.
The whole schoolteacher thing pisses me off so much, especially since boys as young as 12 have been court-ordered to pay child support to their rapists. In the US, at least. Men and boys just can’t seem to catch a break on this issue.
There's no way in hell what you just said is true. It....it can't be. I must have misread that. That's not 12, that's 21. Yeah.....yeah, that's right. Existence can be cruel but it's not on the level of garbage fire where a court order a fucking *child* to pay child support to their grown ass adult rapists. No way in hell.
@@Takejiro24 Unironically want to see a source. Not saying they're lying, but I genuinely can't believe (and pray) this is something that has occurred. I know that the US is a special place and all, but it can't be THAT stupid... Right?
I mean, rapists have made successful cases in getting child visitation rights for the baby they forced on the victim. The US legal/"justice" system is royally fucked up. So a young teen boy being assaulted by an adult and having to pay child support? As gross as it sounds, I'm not putting it past our legal system...
A small details show Panini's stalking: 1) Her eyes. This is popular trope, when artist wants to show a mania of his/her/their characters. 2) Her fangs. The predators has big fangs, not rabbits or rodents. Panini is a little sexually predator. 3) Green heart is on her dress. Green color is a symbol of toxic. Panini has a unhealthy interest to Chaunder.
I’m sorry…but I think you’re a little lost when it comes to the “fangs” thing. Panini is just a kitty rabbit, like Chowder is a cat-rabbit-bear thing. They both have snaggleteeth because they are hybrids of kitties.
I would like to point out another example of the double standards in media. There is this movie series called "Horrible bosses" in which three dudes are trying to kill their horrible bosses (that's only in the first movie) one of the dudes is named Dale (played by Charlie Day) who is an assistant to a nymphomaniac dentist named Julia (played by Jennifer Aniston). He can't find another job because he has been accused of pedophilia (without a reason) and he has to deal with his boss, who is constantly trying to fuck him, despite him always turning her down.She reveals to him that at some point she drugged him and basically raped him. She even threatens to show the photos to his girlfriend if he doesn't fuck her for real. By the end of the movie Dale puts Julia on her place and in the next movie he and his friends have their own business and Dale has triplets. Due to events I don't have time to discuss here Dale and Julia's paths cross again and she decides to catch the only man who has ever escaped her, while also ruins his marriage. Dale gets shot and aweiks four days later. During this time Julie has saved his marriage (and presumably fucked his wife in the process) . She then tells Dale that he isn't in her list anymore, because she might have raped him while he was nconsciousness. Here is how it works: Man rapes woman- tragedy! Woman rapes man- comedy.
Horrible Bosses was a red flag I really should have paid more attention to with my former circle of friends. They all found it hilarious, while I was inwardly going 'WTF?!' and especially at the Julia stuff.
Oh, ew. I thought I heard the horrible bosses movies were pretty funny. I was probably going to watch them soon. Guess it's good to know I dodged a bullet not seeing them yet, and now I don't ever intend to.
NAUR coz I remember seeing that scene when I was younger bc idk my dad was watching it in the living room or whatever and it pissed me off so much like 😭😭😭 bitch wtf
"They wanted it anyway" has to be one of the worst things I've ever heard. If it's not okay to say to women, it's not okay to say to men. It should never be said at all and is disgusting on so many levels. I've said it a hundred times and I'll say it another a hundred. Reversing the dynamic of something toxic or problematic isn't good in any way. It only sets us back since we haven't been rid of it entirely. Defending it by saying "It happens the other way around more" isn't a good defense. We should be working toward leaving it in the past, not giving it to someone else who has experienced it less. That's not how change works and it never should be.
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 ..No. I’m a woman, and I have heard plenty of fellow gals argue that it’s the mens fault or treat it as jokes, along with how *some* feminists will, while not all do, I have met a handful of them argue the exact same thing, you saying “since when” is simply confusing because I have always heard people argue it, please get educated on the topic before speaking of it. We have all seen women and men argue that male SA victims are the ones to blame or that it’s a “funny thing” despite that not being anywhere near the case, we have heard this, you are attempting to say we are saying ALL feminists(even thought I hadn’t brought up feminism within my reply) are the reasoning when that wasn’t what I argued.
@@arandomladywithabadsleepsc1748 And I've seen men do this as well. I mentioned feminists because moronic MRA pretend its feminists' job to deal with male issues, which btw they talk about.
people seem to forget this part of the finale, Young Choder (as the expy of the audience) actually does come up after Adult Chowder and Panini get married with 50 kids and out right calls bullshit. Mung does admit he was pulling Chowder's leg on that one.
After he calls that future evil, young Panini comes by and says "but Chowder, we look so happy together" and chases him, then his adult self says "man, we were cute as kids". Idk how you take that as anything but the show viewing their relationship positively. I don't see the part where Mung admits to pulling his leg at the end.
As a boy whose been harrassed by another guy and was ignored by our mutual friends because "oh cmon don't exaggerate", I just hate this whole double standard shit, Like I got shit thrown at me for having a dude behind me 24/7 and destroying my mental health, I can't imagine guys being insulted when a girl assaults them... It has to be much worse.
I wish feminism can just be clear about that but no, double standard wanna clap back until the point where someone said something along the lines of "(insert bad thing here) is a crime made no matter the gender" and suddenly no one talks about it anymore but no one brought that statement to light I wanna be the one who bring this around and points out all the terrible people no matter the gender, for all god knows maybe the terrible person is a nonbinary
Not to mention how okay everyone seems to be with assgrabbing and other passing things if the receiver is a male, and the same goes to things like slapping and hitting in public, guys don't get slapped unless they deserved it if the one slapping him was a female(Especially his partner), right? You sure as hell won't find anyone stepping in to stop her or tell her off the guy, either(It gets pretty embarrassing to not know how many people would tell you to not 'make such a fuss' as well in those situations, so it's REALLY hard to see what the clear way to defend yourself is in the moment)
Yeah this has always been issue in media, espically modern media, woman are basically allowed to do what every they want to men no matter who vile and disgusting its a joke, infact i'm not sure if anyone remembers the whole "Rising of rthe shield hero debacle" but the one time a female character did something inceredibly vile and the series actually frames it as such, the backlash was instant , its kinda baked into our society that women are innocent and need protecting but in reality they can be and often times as vicious, cruel , creep and mean spirited as males can be but our media keeps saying portraying it as "OH aren't women quirky"
...wat I've never watched rising of the Shield hero but I used to know someone who loves the show and from what I heard (if we're talking about the evil red haired princess) SHE IS THE SINGLE MOST DESPICABLE CHARACTER I'VE EVER HEARD OF!!! How the fuck can her getting any just deserts be framed a bad thing?!
I know it's really sad and upsetting that men are constantly petrayed as the Evil, perverted and abusive villains and women are always petrayed as the innocent victims
@@pyromaniac2104 people claimed it was problematic bc his girl allies were essentially slaves and the villain chick was a stawman for not believing women or somn. Honestly people read too much into it especially when there were also positive female character portayals like the queen who is an absolute BOSS
@@thatonkgau5221 women aren't always portrayed as being "innocent" or a "victim" little dude. That's a poor take but also it's exception vs the rule, men are usually viewed in ways as a means of evil because man itself is capable of great evil if left unchecked while women are victims of circumstances which happens a lot, whether you disagree with me or not I couldn't care less because I'm not trying to change your mind but you got to consider the context of the point your trying to make. Basically my point is women are and have been portrayed as evil but like I said before it's an exception compared to what a man can do, not everybody can be a victim kiddo.
@@IllMatic97 You literally could of just dumbed it down to something like: "women in fact do have a evil portrayals - though on occasion & depending on what media you're viewing." And another thing, you brought up the idea of considering context 1st, which in itself is fine, but have you stopped to consider how despite the context - the majority of times we see a "bad" woman is in W vs. W stories & very rarely M vs W/W vs. M? Especially as we're in the era of Woke.
I was the Panini when I was younger, and I regret it with my whole life. I hurt so many friendships because I was a freaking moronic psycho who wanted to be loved in that way. But alas, boys and girls just aren’t on the same wavelength a lot of the time. It took me way too long to figure that out. By the time I did, it was too late. The damage was done. And I think that’s the worst punishment I got- realizing that everyone hated me for a very good reason. It really broke me, and it took about a year before I picked myself up again. Romantic/Sexual harassment of any kind is revolting. That is *NOT* how you get a relationship. I know this is a strange testimony to put in since it’s about the victims of this kind of harassment, but the harassers are at a severe loss as well. If you want love you must be patient and willing to put in the slow, gradual effort to make it happen. Going in full throttle and persisting with it is how you get Chowder and Panini. I wish I could’ve heeded that advice sooner and didn’t choose to learn the hard way.
I always hated this trope. Don't get me wrong, I love me a "lovesick" girl character, but when it gets to stalkish and just psychotic behavior it just gets on my nerves. But what i do notice is, Panini is never framed as being in the right (at least, in the latin american dub they always made her say obviously twisted reasonings or saying she was lying) while Pucca and Marinette are not only the leads but are always shown to be in the right or the "heroes" and not crazy, and somehow I find it a bit worse in those cases But yeah, I would've liked Panini to have more character than this lol
My friend and I constantly talk about how great it’d be if Gabriel got arrested/executed for his _minor_ amounts of terrorism and Emilie and Nathalie just started dating and raised Adrien like an actual parent should. We usually just completely omit Mari in any AU we make because we just hate her that much.
Yeah, it's like Pepe Le Pew. I know that Looney Tunes isn't character/plot driven, but, it always acts like Pepe is in the right for doing the stuff he does to Penelope. She constantly bashes him on the head and a few other stuff, but, he won't take the hint. And the only time he gets any consequences is when Penelope gets some love potion or something else.
As a woman biologically myself, it’s a standard like this I can't stand. If women are creepy, it's 'endearing' and 'quirky'. But if it were a man? The show would've been cancelled immediately. Edit: To everyone a little peeved I used "biologically", I identify as Non-Binary, so I don't call myself a man or a woman. I was just born in a woman's body. ^w^ Sorry for any confusion!
@@ManiyaVinas does it matter? If women made the show they see this behavior as completely acceptable and should even be encouraged. If men made the show it's because they've been indoctrinated to see no problem with by society
@@ManiyaVinas you do realize this is a group of people who agreed to make this was a group effort not one person to make this right and what about the fans if they liked it they had to make more of it so truth all of us are to blame
@@jeremyusreevu237 Well, _almost_ nothing. Some episodes would actually end in the Eds winning out because they don't have their diabolus ex machina crutch.
I remember the one episode she got a taste of her own medicine by using the moon to make Garu fall in love with her which worked then Garu was chasing her the same way she did, she hated it so much she reversed the process and things went back to normal lol
The only thing that runs through my mind whenever Panini showed up was, "LEAVE this boy ALONE! He's not into YOU!" In other words. This chick scared me in my childhood, and women like that, still does today. And to the people who support this, true crime is a thing, IT'S NOT. FUNNY!!😰
She's a Yandere. She's the definition of "If I can't have him, then no one can" Feels like she needs to be put into the funny farm, There are other guys that would like her back but CHOWDER SHOWS NO INTEREST AND SAYING ITS HIS DESTINY TO KNOCK PANINI UP
Honestly I kind of hate when people use the term "yandere" since women like this are more than just an anime trope and are legitimately dangerous. Idk, comparing it to an anime type that you're oftentimes supposed to like seems a bit iffy
Another example of this double standard would be the garbage fire that was bolin’s relatship with the dArK AVataR’s daughter who upon seeing the guy claimed he was hers, forced him to wear a collar, said having girlfriend and having a boss is the same thing, and then tried to force him to marry her. And these all happen throughout all of season 2 and the whole cast either laugh at bolin’s obvious distress or just move on like it’s natural. Not even bolin’s brother did anything to help him get out of a relationship he didn’t want. The lengend of Korra had a lot of problems and their relay ships was definitely one of them with bolin’s “relationship” was played as a joke the entire season cuz women hurting man is so funny.
I think i remember that part. Neither Korra nor his own brother helped Bolin in that situation very well. At most I think they just said “dude just break up with her. Let her off easy, you’ll be fine”, also that “dark avatar” plot line felt like a fanfic.
This is how I would rewrite Panini: She would be a happy, yet stubborn type of girl, who at first would be hostile towards Chowder, due to knowing he’s learning to cook at her mentor’s rival. But as the show progresses, she would be warming up to him more and more thanks to a genuine kindness he would be showing to her, but still trying to beat him at being the best chef. Eventually, the episode happens where her views completely change (by for example Chowder helping her in a harsh situation or something), and ends up catching feelings for her rival. For the rest of the series, she acts cute and shy around him, occasionally blushing and trying to impress him. And finally, near the end of the series, she confesses her love, and in the series finale these two end up getting married :3 (Yeah, I know it’s a typical „enemies to lovers” trope, but I think it’s better than „an obsessive girl stalks her crush”)
I'm glad you made this video because it needed to be said Even when I was a kid, Panini's obsession with Chowder always made me uncomfortable. I even yelled at the TV a few times like, "Oh my God, just leave him alone already!" Boys can be victims of assault and they need to be heard and taken seriously.
I just realized you were right about the ending. It’s weird how Chowder isn’t living his own life, he’s forced to being what everyone else wants him to be. Ouch
Well funnily enough young Chowder at the end of that finale episode outright said he rejected that future so knows perhaps the future ended up at least a little different for him?
Pretty sure the whole joke is she's a rabbit, and rabbits are known to... well, "breed like rabbits." Which is why they have a ridiculous amount of kids in the finale.
But Chowder is also (at least partly) a rabbit, so that would imply he should want to be with her too. Male rabbits are the horny ones in real life. Female rabbits don't even go into heat until after they've been penetrated once, so they jave to have sex at least twice to get pregnant (from my rabbit care book)
@@kjw21411 I always assumed Chowder was more cat / bear than rabbit (I think the show says he's a hybrid of a rabbit, a cat, and a bear?) given the short ears & overall lack of rabbit-like features, but tbh I'm not sure. This show was weird.
One quick note: I think I remember CH Greenblatt once comparing Chowder and Panini to Goku and Chichi, in that both Panini and Chichi cared so much about marrying their childhood crushes and both have fiery tempers when things don't go according to plan. But it doesn't quite work, given that Chichi never stalked Goku and Goku actually cared about her/liked her to an extent.
Well, let’s compare them when they were kids. Goku didn’t even know what marriage was, as a kid he thought it was something to do with food. When they grow up, he eventually kept their promise and they got married anyway. And ignore the poor flanderization they did with Super, they both did love each other at the end. Chowder, might be a child, he still didn’t want anything to do with Panini. Unlike being clueless, he’s straight up creeped out by her.
@@cooldud7071 hysteria used to describe female emotions = mental illness, but now we use it for when people are crazy today. Bad past, but we use it today anyways because that's life.
Chowder and Panini's typical banter was always pretty funny to be you know with Panini always forcing her love on Chowder in him saying "I'm not your boyfriend" all the time, it always made me laugh hell i think the most hilarious thing Chowder ever said about Panini was in the Bruised bluenana episode when Chowder called her a mad woman. lol
I still remember when Panini had 50 babies in the final episode, every time i see that part i can't help but think-"Wow, i've heard of women who are baby crazy, but this is ridiculous"
Don’t forget the one episode where Panini thought Chowder liked another girl so she faked a relationship to try and make him jealous and wound up trying to fight the other girl in a gladiatorial match.
In a sense, the trope _does_ give at least a subtle impression that these crazily obsessed girls/women _are_ a red flag and should be avoided, though there's no denying that it's a very poorly handled trope that should be taken more seriously than it is. Panini was pretty much a full-on Yandere. I remember the episode with Chowder meeting Marmalade and spending the day with her at a festival, and Panini gets super jealous...yeah, I'm pretty sure she would've _ended_ her if it weren't for it being a kids show.
I always thought it was messed up that the show never picked a side. Panini is creepy as fuck and should be in prison. If you are pretending that's not true then Chowder constantly insulting her is uncalled for. Like which is it? Am I supposed to be happy when she gets hit or when she gets married? Can't have both. Pepe le Pew never gets called creepy to his face.
So, this does remind me of a story concept for a story that basically saying "No, men don't always want it, and yes, woman can be abusers and molesters." It's a high school set thriller that I'm pitching as sort of Heathers meets Cape Fear, about a math tutor who becomes the source of affection for the cheercaptain mean girl archetype, and since she doesn’t like being told no for anything her actions eventually go from "red flags but harmless" to "yandere simulator levels". That last part is not a hyperbolic comparison; if ya catch what I'm implying. One of my favorite scene ideas is when we first see the start of her crazy. She surprises him with a kiss and at first allows it cause, "Whoa, okay, I didn't ask for this, but yeah, I like this a lot." But then she starts getting more grabby, and then he has to stop her. "Look, I um... I'm sorry. I'm super flattered, but... I meant it when I said I wasn't... ready for that kind of relationship. I really am not. And I mean, it's not like we're even dating." What follows is an unreadable robotic expression from this girl for what goes on long enough that you notice that it has been long, like at least 9 seconds of an uncomfortably held gaze until she smiles, without sincerity and gives an obviously fake apology. It's as if she had to physically take the time to comprehend that she was being rejected by a man, whom she knows is attracted to her and by all stereotypical reasoning would be jumping at the chance to get laid first chance he could.
One of the best things about the show Chalk Zone is the creator was very adamant despite fan rumor that the two main characters were just platonic. Which is great
7:07 This one hits hard once you remember she wasn't able to move on from Chowder not being her boyfriend when she was an adult and she turned neurotic, not in a cartoony funny sense, actually manic obsession. I like going back to my childhood to forget my adulthood problems... this is not working
I actually ended up in a situation where a girl was completely obsessed with me, and I had no feelings. I eventually broke up with her, and she even talked about starting again in two days because I would "be ready again" for her, it's fucking weird.
Honestly I had a girl in middle school act just like Panini for a while, always hovering around me and hugging me *much* too tightly and I was just having none of it, even though she was absolutely gorgeous. It wasn't fun, tbh
It was so dumb, she literally gaslit him into saying that he was invading her space when *she's* the one who was trying to kiss and marry him in the first place. Chowder literally gave up and basically said: "Fine, I'll marry you since that's what you want. Get off my back." and Panini basically turned around and said he was nuts for it. What the hell.
I think the joke is when he's not interested she gets to chase him, she loses the chase when he gets interested back. I don't think she actually wants to be with him but she wants him to fight back when she makes advances.
@@GameparkGames Except in the show, she always seems to actually be into him. There's an episode where Chowder meets another g*rl and gets jealous of her.
The cat that Le Pew [However his name is spelled] isn't not interested in him, she likes him and loves him in the same French way he loves her. She just can't stand his smell and tries to run away from *IT* Not *HIM* because he is a skunk. There was an episode where his smell is masked away by her losing her sense of smell and she goes nuts over him that he is startled in how passionately she is perusing him.
Yes and no, she dislikes him for being a skunk but have some episodes his stripes disappear and she sees him as a cat and she stalks him, the same happens to him he doesn't give a crap about her when she is a cat but paint a white stripe on her back and now she is wife material, but yes in the end they both are terrible
Overall I believe its the stereotypical image of Pepe Le Pew got him in trouble. Their are some episodes that show the relationship in a different light and showcases some context into the whole thing. But from the outside perspective without context it seen as a guy stalking a girl who is not interested which isn't an acceptable image anymore. Overall, as time goes on and people get less familiar with the Looney Tunes that outsider perspective becomes more well known.
Feel free to disagree but in my opinion people are taking the Pepe Le Pew Cartoons too seriously 9 times out of 10 children won't have any concept of what sex is let alone sexual harassment and adults should know that assault is wrong so it's extremely unlikely for anyone to watch A Pepe Le Pew cartoon or even Chowder and walk away from it thinking "wow the cartoon character on my TV are doing questionable things so I should do it too" it's simply a cartoon about a love sick Skunk that can't find love because he smells bad chasing a cat nothing more nothing less. I highly doubt there are any cases of people actually committing crimes because they watched Pepe Le Pew people are worried over a non existent issue and if there was a case of that happening would it really make sense to ban him because of one stupid person out of millions who have also watched Pepe Le Pew and turned out fine?
I just had a flashback moment realizing this is exactly the same relationship as Timmy and Tootie in Fairly Odd Parents. Like... Jeez, and they wrote Timmy as growing up to marry her *too.* How many children's cartoons played with this again...?
well it's only implied in channel chasers Timmy married someone, we don't know it it was Tootie, for all we know he had kids with some random chick that just so happens to have black hair, another thing is that we don't see an adult Tootie so for all we know she could've grown out of her stalker personality.
Tootie is a character that has similar issues to Timmy which is why its easy for the viewer to relate to her. It's also shown she grows up and becomes quite mature. She pesters Timmy but at the same time Timmy has wronged her at times too. They're relationship is a lot more balanced than a stalker chase up until the dying seasons.
Ah yes, it also reminded me of the time Timmy wished to be the last male entity in the world, leading to Trixie going absolutely bat shit insane. Then again, it was more a play on her need for constant validation, but you can surely make a point about girls chasing boys being something to laugh at
Chowder was legendary! Loved the show, only remember some episodes as I was like 6 or 7 when It was still airing. I should really Re-watch all the episodes
I passed through this kind of thing when i was around 8 years old. There was a girl that constantly stalked me and hugged me everyday, and i always tried to run alway from her. I didn't knew shit about relationships, or affection because i wasan't much of a "social" kind of kid (since my family was super overprotective with me), so i just saw her actions as "ew weird", and every kid would start joking about us and saying we were a couple. I remember that on her birthday she said she wanted to MARRY me. That was one day before i changed schools. I wonder how she is nowdays, and i hope she's living her life happily
I got married to this type of girl when I was younger. She was obsessed but I kinda liked it but I also didn’t. It feels good when a girl likes u but obsessed is to much. She even kissed me on the cheek
I gotta get this off my chest after seeing many comments. Boundaries should be set and must be abided by It’s not ok either way around, do not let anyone tell you someone being predatory towards you is “just a joke”/ok in any way. And here’s another thing I need to say because I remembered. Just because you’re together doesn’t mean they can force you to have sex with them. Spousal rape is real. And if you think you’re unsafe then tell someone, it may take a few tries but you’re still valid and don’t let anyone say predatory actions and behavior are ok.
Spousal rape wasn't a thing before we started pretending that the giant children are adults because guaranteed sexual access was right there in the contract. What exactly do you think "to have and to hold" means? And women could and _did_ get divorces if their husband wasn't putting out, even in medieval times.
@@jsn1252 rape is rape no matter what. “Happy healthy long life together” ring a bell if someone gets raped they’re not gonna be happy, they’re gonna have lasting trauma. And if you’re stuck with someone who raped you the you’re not gonna be happy. “To have and to hold” doesn’t give you the right to rape your spouse. Just because medieval women divorced their husbands because they were unhappy with their sex life doesn’t mean that because you’re unhappy with yours. medieval women were constantly beaten, and if they left their husband they were scrutinized. They were seen as damaged goods. They also called them hysterical if they wanted to be treated like more than just property. They were treated like tokens, and there were knights unable to talk to their own mothers because they were seen just as “tempting” as other women.
@@jsn1252 dude, no means no. If you have sex with someone without consent, that is rape. It doesn't matter if you're married or not, without consent, it is rape. If you truly believe that it isn't, I'm deeply concerned.
@@jsn1252 also while women could get divorces, they couldn't typically get jobs. If we are going back to mediaeval times, women had to stay with their husbands in order for financial stability due to how society was structured. Furthermore deviating from the nuclear family structure was highly frowned upon.
Child worker? Its an apprentice ship. Yeah, they overdid panini way much. I guess the difference between her and Pepe, is that as far as I remebered pepe never got the girl as she loose the paintmark and pepe would loose her, while panini get what she wants becuaee of continued crazyness and chowder being forced into it, and even as a kid I hated she was just there to be a babymaker, in the ending it shouldve been both cooking together she was good at it and then atleast she'd be doing something chowder would love too. Still fun show, theyy couldve done vetter with Pan.
I remember that the real reason why he was constantly rejected wasn’t because of his behavior, but because of his stench, though he’s not really some misunderstood angel, he cheated on his wife, though he did get punished for that, and Penelope, when not bombarded with Pepe’s stench, is actually as intense as he is xd
@@dustymcwari4468 Yea the thing is Penelope does like Pepe, she just can't stand his stench. When he does not have the stench Penelope goes crazy for Pepe and pepe becomes the one to back off. Its just old 1950's "what we think a relationship is" thinking. Chowder never liked Panini throught the entire show.
@@johnbradley7294 yeah, that ending, the Panini part is honestly the one thing that ruins it, it’s way too forced how they wanna make Panini’s insanity be Chowder’s fault, and that he should marry her and have tons of children, just fulfilling the harasser’s fantasy as if it’s the right thing to do xd, and that ending doesn’t take into account if Chowder just happens to marry someone he actually likes, or if he just never marries, he and everyone else can continue being happy, while Panini remains insane xd, it would’ve worked better as a way to also show Panini the grim path she was taking if she was keeping that unhealthy obsession, and rather than marrying Chowder, that she can find happiness herself if she gives someone else a chance, as she also kept rejecting people, or alternatively, just stop forcing her way and let Chowder breathe, who knows, she’s a good chef herself, and Chowder loves to eat, so maybe Panini wanting to speed everything up is the one reason that makes Chowder dislike her
Ngl, I just thought it was innocent because there are both children and she'll learn but mostly because "comedy". But the finale shows Panini still obsess with the idea of Chowder and her being parents to the point where it's affective towards her apprentice. That's just... mmmmhhhh no
@@cooldud7071 it is you can’t prove otherwise also it’s the only episode left what else it just resets and becomes a filler does that mean everything chowder thinks is what everyone future is would that be his fault
This is kinda exactly why I don't really care for janna in star vs as much as other fans, I constantly hear she's considered one of the best characters still in the show but like.....90% of her humor revolved around assaulting, stalking, stealing from and violating Marco. And they're supposed to be friends by the end? And then the fanbase took THAT character and decided Tom (who just got out of a toxic relationship with star) should be with them for some reason. *shudders*
I wish they had left Panini’s character arch off they way the first episode ended. She lost interest in him and said they could just be friends. Then went right back to thirsting over him. It confused me as a kid.
Yeah, this show had a lot of questionable things to me as a kid and even now. I always knew the kind of behavior Panini showed wasn't cool. And Endive is definitely part of that problem, pretty sure she taught and encouraged it. I'm positive Maung and Endive dated for a time and she drove him away. There's no other reason why Maung is so bitter towards her and she towards him.
im betting its more like she was like panini but wasnt acertive or confident so maung never noticed when he started dating his wife so endive became better started stalking him and bullying him when previously they had been friends this explains maungs bitterness at ednvie and why he dosent seem to know her romantic intrest threw most of the show. and why panini is the way she is as endive basically taught her to be the opposite of what she was like but extermes of either end are equally bad.
Yeah, great video. Even when watching this show, I knew that Panini was a psycho stalker, and the fact that stuff like this isn't treated with the same level of harshness as Pepe Le Pew is at best hypocritical and at worst extremely disturbing.
I had to deal with a girl like Panini in high school. Obsessed over me, chased me, would try to take photos of me, and tried stealing my car keys to solicit a kiss, which resulted in me slamming her into another car to get my keys back. TLDR I had an emotional breakdown earlier that day and she was trying to take advantage of me in a vulnerable place. She went onto make a fake facebook page in my name using one of the photos she took of me, added everyone in the school and the teachers, then proceeded to try to ruin my reputation. I informed the school of this account being fake and had the dean work with me to get it shut down by passing word among students and teachers that I was going to use my connections to track down who made it and turn them over as it was punishable by expulsion at my school. I already knew who did it, but wanted to give them the chance to delete it themselves. She did within a day and panicked when I brought it up to her. She never caught onto the fact that I preferred the company of other men for starters, and that her overall personality was toxically clingy.
My mother didn't believe I was SA'd by an older girl when I was a child, in fact, she was curious on what happened and didn't take me seriously. I am a trans man, so at the time I was perceived as a girl. If my mother weren't tolerant of subjects like homosexuality I could've been kicked out for being a "lesbian". And then when I was molested by an older boy, my mother just called us a couple and never looked deeper into it. I was way younger than the teenagers who Molested and SA'd me. And no one took me seriously. Then getting stalked by a creep at my school that wouldn't accept a no for an answer. Watching my favorite show treat what I went through as a joke was and is just, disheartening.
@@yojimbo3856 those two have nothing to do with eachother, I just happen to be trans, and suffered abuse as a child. I want to insult you, but I feel like your life is already sad enough that you have to say these things online to feel the illusion of superiority. A crumb of happiness.
Panini: Keeps trying hook up with Chowder. Chowder: I'm not your boyfriend. Panini: Don't care. Chowder: Tries to marry her one time Panini: I need my space. Yeah, like that confused me as kid. And when she said "but we can still be friends", I was like: Weren't *you* the one who liked *him?*
This is a good example of how the "yandere" trope has existed in many different genres, before anime. Judge Claude Frolo is technically one as well. The concept of any character that has an "unhealthy obsession" with someone, whether romantic or not, has been around for ages, even if it was "popularized" in anime, namely, Mirai Nikki in the last 10 years. But it does show how people can sometimes "fetishize" a mental illness or instability, which can cause people to downplay it in real life, no matter their gender, at least usually. Anyone would look at Judge Claude Frolo with contempt, but if the genders were swapped, then some people would say "That's so hot."
Anime's been around since 1945, and the "yandere" archetype goes back as far as at *least* Yukako Yamagishi in Jojo's Bizarre Adventure: Diamond is Unbreakable, which began in 1992, four years before Hunchback of Notre Dame.
@@captainrick4513 troy plus across mythology the "jilted lover" was always the most twisted monster like the greek tradgedy where a dude cheated on his wife so she consumed there children became a dragon and ate him. there was also a LITERALLY yandere dragon in ancient japanese folk lore who fell in love and chased a monk across japan killing all in its path.
I feel like if Chowder came out on today's age of cartoons, where every show starts as silly fun and by 3 or 4 seasons in everything gets lore deep, this relationship might have worked out, getting to see a more deep look of who Panini is and why she got love sick with Chowder and maybe she realizing that she either works on herself or the apple of her eye will eventually get a restriction order on her. But sadly, we're not living on that timeline (maybe if Chowder ever gets a reboot, but, I'm not holding my breath on that one)
@@valentinkambushev4968 Yeah, that's what made Chowder great. I'm not here for the story, I'm here to see how the writters and animators messed up the 4th wall
When I used to watch the show, this "relationship" was really uncomfortable for me. I'm surprised more people didn't feel the same way when they watched it when they were younger
I always changed the channel whenever it was Panini and Chowder episodes because even as a small child I felt the relationship with her and Chowder as extremely disturbing.
This makes me think of the show Pucca. I’m some ways, it was in reverse of this. It started out as Pucca just chasing after her crush, Garu. However, they start to portray they as more friends then just a crazy stalker. Sure they still do the chase sequences. However, it never feels truly forced like with this. Especially since it’s more naive compared to intentionally forcing chowder to marry her.
Not to mention, at least sometimes in Pucca, Garu shows interest is Pucca when she isn't in her chasing-phases. There was even an episode/side feature where he is making a ring for her out of a sword (if I remember it correctly).
nagatoro is also like this she basically is a light yandere who is annoying but not outright creepy our malicious though her extreme jealousy moments are scary she never lay a hand agasint her crush.
Even as a kid, Panini's obsession with Chowder always made me cringe. Having a crush on someone is one thing, but having someone constantly flirt with you while invading your space? That's just straight up creepy!
The one aspect I don't understand about Pepe being "cancelled" is his behavior is never rewarded. When you watch his cartoons, you know he's never gonna get the girl. Having a finale where Chowder and Panini end up together sends a signal that her behavior is rewarded.
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you ever see a cartoon called Pucca before? Its the concept of this chowder topic vid, but stretched out for the whole show
1. Please do Hey Arnold Next
2. Doug from Channel Awesome made a joke about The Skunk on his Space Jam Review. They cancelled Peppe le peu but kept Pennywise the child murderer and the Clockwork Orange "Rappers" in the background
damn, I really wanted to do this but they charge for the total 3 year plan up front
You made a ad about how to get rid of ads
Now THAT'S a double standard
Look I ain't gonna say this wasn't sketchy at the time. Buuuuuut I kinda like yandere types, so this never gets old for me.
It gets worse when you realize where she got this behavior from. Which is her teacher who constantly does the same thing to Schnitzel. Its a young abuser learning from an older one.
But at least with Endive and Shnitzel it's actually funny and not overused. Also Endive has other things to do besides her crush.
The worst part is they both got what they wanted at the end
@@valentinkambushev4968 I would say its a bit worse with Endive actually, Yes they are both wrong for their actions. But Panini is a little girl, she is obsessive, stalking, controlling, etc. But i dont think she fully knows the full depth of the words she is saying, its kinda like she only knows as such through what she observed. Now compare that to Endive who is a grown adult woman who should know full well what she is saying and doing, and she is in a higher position of power, and is doing it with someone (i think) younger than her. It just gets a lot more creepier, in my opinion.
@@darryljack6612 you do make a good point. However I am willing to forget it because there are like one or two episodes where Endive's crush is the main plot, while in the others it's only mentioned once. Also I think they are on the same age.
@@darryljack6612 Remember the episode where Schnitzel quits from Mung's and go work with Endive.
She had a literal skeleton on her closet of some other guy she loved. Crazy runs on the business
Being told that you couldn’t have been assaulted because “you just wanted it” is the worst thing to hear after you’ve been hurt no matter what your gender/orientation.
Agreed, no victim should ever have to hear that
i usually don't comment on videos but as someone who went through sexual manipulation and coercion this statement really hits hard since it's my own mom who keeps saying it :' )
@@jasky1234 if you've been "manipulated" into something like that then I question your will power. How old are you exactly?
@@IllMatic97 hi! i was 19 at the time, and my ex was a...rich bastard lol (im scared to say more. he has a team of lawyers bc of his dad. i've accepted i'll never get justice haha)
he made it out that the only way to repay and make his gifts to me worth it was having intercourse with him. he wouldn't stop begging until i said yes. it happened more than once.
nothing like victim blaming to perpetrate violence
Panini is creepy AF, but I can't get enough of Chowder's line: "I'M NOT YOUR BOYFRIEND!!!"
Serves her right for wanting to hit him with a Piko-Piko Hammer!
I'm your 700th like 😁♥️
And I’m my own 700 divided by 7th like
That’s why I don’t like her
I love Chowder man he's the best character
Even when I was a kid, I thought Panini's extreme thirstiness was unnerving af. I actually kinda preferred when she wasn't simping over Chowder because then her headstrong and crazy personality got the chance to shine through in other ways.
Jesus I thought I was alone on this. Glad to know I wasn't alone in this. Even with ADHD, not understanding social cues I understood that this girl was unhinged
yeah it would've been better if they made Panini take the role of Chowder's rival who secretly likes him but she cares more about learning to cook just like Chowder so her personality could actually shine through and Chowder can still dislike her for working for his Boss' rival .... this kind of dynamic would've erased the creepy behavior plus there could be a lot of good gags and shipping moments that could amount from this
Yeah, I feel the same with sonic and amy
@@justalula7151 like a less stalkerish version of Helga Pataki! It would be cute for her to be a (non abusive) tsundere to chowder rather than a yandere
And she was kind of... one dimensional in that sense. She was a lot more fun when she wasn’t hyper fixated in Chowder
I imagine Panini learned that shit from Endive. Since Endive has a very similar dynamic with Schnitzel. In the Schnitzel Quits episode she full on kidnaps him and tries to force him to marry her. And everyone treats it like the threat that it is and they try to save him. Meanwhile Panini does it and we’re suppose to laugh. That is blatant Double Standards. And even then Schnitzel still married Endive by the end of the show. I love Chowder it is a part of my childhood but seriously WHAT THE FUCK.
Schnitzel had it worse, there were many episodes when women were forcing on him. The was a lot nods that Schnitzel was 11/10 in that universe.
@@remigiuszrutkowski9527 what do you mean in that universe? He’s pure sex appeal in any universe
You don't really sound like you love it
@@anonymouslucario285 You can love something and still point out flaws about it.
@@anonymouslucario285 , I’m the biggest One Piece fan of all time, and I still don’t like certain arcs like Enies Lobby and Water 7, so yes you can still like a series and critiquing why those arcs in the story doesn’t work or belong in the stories ongoing long running narrative.
What so many people never seem to understand is that sexual abuse is genderless. It doesn't matter if the aggressor is a man, woman, trans, nonbinary, what have you; abuse is abuse, no how you try to paint over it.
Well, men can't get pregnant.
@@krunkle5136 what
@@nocturnalpisces1299 nothing.
No it's not
@@jennym286 explain then how and why it's not.
“I’m not your boyfriend!” will forever be the most iconic quote in Chowder. But “Radda radda radda” is even more iconic.
Radda radda?
@@zacharyirizarry8589 Woah, you can’t say that on UA-cam.
@@zacharyirizarry8589 damn man
I like how the second sentence contradicts the first.
“Care to give a free sample to a pretty lady?”
“Sure, you know one?”
"This wasn't a relationship. This was a joke. And I don't hear anyone laughing."
That's...that sums this up perfectly.
😤😤😤😮💨😮💨😮💨Same HERE😒😒😒😒😒😒"
ur so sensitive
What joke all I see was a ending and I’m happy with it
I mean, I found it amusing. Actually still do. I enjoyed how psycho and manipulative panini was.
I also don't see a problem with the family guy jokes involving Quagmire.
Nor do I see a problem with Pepe lepew.
I recognize that these are characters and bits that revolve around stalking, domestic abuse, unwanted advance and so on, but so what? Joking about taboo things is par for the course when it comes to comedy.
@@CatacombD Finally, someone with a fucking brain. I swear man, these people can kinda get sensitive over stuff that isn't even real. (In cartoons, not irl)
There was actually an episode where chowder meets a girl named marmalade. She was in the show for just that episode but she is INFINITELY a better love interest than panini.
Explain
@@Illogical_Tales Marmelade literally just met Chowder in that one episode (while he was running away from Panini) and I guess they became instant friends over some things they had in common. The very idea of Chowder talking and hanging out with another girl made Panini jealous even though Chowder & Marmelade were just friends, new acquaintances.
The pigfrog girl
I mean, she did harass the goat boy
Panini x Chowder FTW
Yandere supremacy.
Chowder would've been better off with that friendly lip balm girl, they just became friends right away and seemed to have fun together. Panini was Tootie from Fairly OddParents, but much worse.
I never liked that Dan Harman shipped Tootie with Timmy when they got older. It would've been better to give her a better coping mechanism than latching onto Timmy
Weirdly enough, Panini seemed really chill about her liking Chowder in the episode she was introduced. It came off more as a lovey dovey crush than a forceful ordeal that it became episodes later.
Though, quite frankly, Chowder in general was relatively chill in the early eps.
But they decided to go with the gag that she likes paninis best friend
Same, I wish they would’ve brought her back to hang out with Chowder, heck it be interesting if they just replace Panini with her like imagine the Christmas special or any episode with no Panini just lip balm girl(I wish I remembered her name).
2000s cartoons are always littered with the broken dreams of salty shippers.
This actually happened in iCarly too, Sam constantly physically abused Freddie when they dated, forced him to smuggle ham in his pants, and locked herself in a mental hospital because she thought she was insane for liking him, it’s really awful. Also, in Miraculous Ladybug too, Marinette stalked Adrien so badly that she has his entire private daily schedule, broke into his house and sniffed his pillow, and would kiss a wax statue of him.
Never saw ML, but did they seriously animate that?
I do agree that Sam&Freddy relationship wasn’t the best. Even before they started dating in the show. However, I disagree with Marinette staking Adrien badly. The reason she has his schedule is because she’s the class representative and he is very busy with piano, fencing, modeling and Chinese lessons. As for the wax figure scene, it definitely is cringe but the full context was her role playing to what she believed was a wax sculpture to help her get over her nerves. When it was really him and she was really embarrassed when he revealed himself. The pillow sniff is bad, but her main goal was just to leave a gift (which he does like&wear) after being denied by his strict father’s assistant.
@@dexholderred2469 damn. She’s REALLY into him, it seems. Dangerously so.
Now I remember why I never liked the Sam and Freddie ship
@@dexholderred2469 None of these justify her being such a stalker and there's more stuff too, she also tried to climb over a wall to watch over Adrien when he was in that car with Lila, I wish that fireman that came taught a lesson that stalking is bad but he helped her climb over to watch Adrien. She abandoned her friends to dress up as some stupid looking biker guy to sneak in Adrien's party. Chat Noir puts his trust in her and she tells Alya her identity even though she's been akumatized before and had her superhero identity was revealed to Hawk Moth, and she still won't let Chloe be Queen Bee for some reason. She also STOLE KAGAMI'S PHONE to talk crap about her to her friend because Kagami was into Adrien!
I never considered Panini to be reasonable or normal, even when I was a kid. I always just laughed and yelled “Run you short purple asshole, RUN!”
Literally! 😂
I used to ship them hard as a kid but nowadays I find it a little weird, bitch was literally a yandere
@@SpongeyBubby I can think of another female character from another CN show who fits that category: Berry from FHFIF. Even though she only appeared in two episodes, she was pretty similar to Panini, having an obsessive crush on Bloo and doing everything she could to have him all to herself. One of the differences was that, unlike Chowder, Bloo was blissfully clueless to how SERIOUS Berry was about her obsession with him.
@@sarahsims6164 It had been a long-ass time since I watched Foster's. I could not remember Berry right off the bat, but then I looked her up and one second of looking at her design, the memories flooded back like a fucking dam had broken. Holy shit!
Yet people on UA-cam are trying to convince you that it normalizes sexual assault on men. Super weird, imo
you know what let's talk about it. kid shows (especially kid cartoons) get away with mess like this because it's "for kids" and people don't take media made "for kids" seriously.
It's arguably worse if it's, "for kids" because shows for kids are going to be teaching younger generations what's right and what's wrong. Children's media is one of the most important types of media, and it can be detrimental if it's screwed up to this degree
Except they forget that kids actually do take it seriously, because they don't have any romantic experience. So they just absorb what they see on TV in cartoons and repeat it
I remember my female classmates when we were 11/12 years old - when they had a crush on this guy from other class they followed him home everyday, took pictures of him, found some of his personal info and tried to talk to his little brother. And also laughed and insulted his mom for some reason. And the worst thing is that not only almost no one thought it's wrong, people got dragged into it and helped them with the stalking, taking pictures etc.
Btw I love your content and the points you make in your videos. Parents complain that video games makes children violent but apparently cartoons teaching that lying or being a stalker is ok is fine lmao 💀
That mindset is what got those weird pregnant things going around
"Wayside" is one of the worst examples. It had the girl punching the boy with a cartoonishly enlarged fist as a recurring gag. The worst part is, when the boy accidentally pulled her ponytail (which was sort of the result of another girl teasing them) he got called out and punished.
When I think of the double standard, I think of Miraculous Ladybug. The protagonist Marinette stalks the boy Adrien, breaking into his house, stealing his phone, smelling his pillow, memorizing his schedule without being told what it is, etc. Her stalking him and feelings for him are obsessive, and I know if the roles were reversed, it wouldn't be accepted. Doesn't help that the guy says in show he doesn't like being a model and people coming at him without knowing him, yet she does exactly that and is never called out for her behavior and everyone supports her "crush."
It would have been accepted if he was two or so years younger than her. Nobody judges Aang and Dipper for their interest in Katara and Wendy.
@@valentinkambushev4968 I don't recall Aang or Dipper doing anything particularly creepy toward them, not even if they were the same age as their crushes.
@@valentinkambushev4968 Ok, I don't know what Dipper did, but Aang was never creepy with Katara from what I can remember. Certainly not on the level of Marinette. Wanting a crush to be reciprocated and acting like a doofus as a result is normal. That's why people overlooked Marinette's early creepiness. But it literally never stopped for four years.
That said, I'm not convinced that people would actually get mad if a boy was doing it to a girl. I used to think stuff like "a story about a male teacher going after female students would NEVER be okay", for example, and then I heard of Pretty Little Liars where that was normalized and celebrated by fans on national television. So... yeah. Outrage is... negotiable, I suppose.
Even worse she once abandoned her job as protector of Paris to stalk Adrain in another country lying to her family in the process and acts like its okay.
Adrain dose it as well later on and gets ton of shit for it from both Ladybug and the fanbase double standards at its finest.
@@damkylan3 Tbh, iirc DIpper and Wendy were actually pretty chill and reasonable with how that all ended. Dipper had a crush on Wendy, an older girl clearly out of his age range for dating, and several times the show lampshaded that with other characters mentioning to Dipper she's too old for him, even at one point having them go back in time where a really young Wendy thought Dipper was cute and he was weirded out by it since she was younger than him by a wide margin, a point which his sister Mabel makes a moment later. Eventually, Dipper is forced to confront his crush and be honest to Wendy about it, they have a heart to heart about why it can't happen, but Dipper accepts the truth like an upstanding guy and they remain friends after. By all accounts it was a refreshing and really progressive way to handle a story like that.
It's shocking how much people misunderstand Pepe Le Pew. The cat runs from him because he smells bad. Not because she's scared of him. In fact, she sometimes runs right into his arms happily, but then realizes how stinky he is and runs for dear life. She's not afraid of being harassed; he just smells unGodly awful
Didn't she go crazy for him one time when he sprayed cologne that hid his smell?
@@MrGamer1992 ya he got nervous sn ran himself 😂
@@biohazardlnfS lmfao dude that might’ve been his best episode
Thank you for clearing that up
But that doesn't really change anything, right? He's still doing things that she doesn't want him to do.
Bruh, as a woman myself it's infuriating how girls/women characters get a free pass if they're hella creepy in their attachment to their crush. But if a boy/man behaved in the same way, fans would be SCREAMING to boycott the show and cry at the writers, asking them how dare they write such an awful character. This is one of the reasons I can't stand Marinette in Miraculous, her yandere behavior is always just laughed off as her being "quirky" or even worse, encouraged. Men can be sexually harrassed too, no matter how much our society tells us otherwise.
Right? It's harder for a woman to full blown rape a man (not impossible, but definitely less common/more difficult) but it's like people forget that sexual harassment doesn't JUST harm you because you are afraid it will end in a rape. If I get my boobs squeezed by some rando I will be upset that my boobs were squeezed, even if for whatever reason I know it's not going to escalate further. The harassment is it's own bad. But since most girls can't physically overpower most men, people dont see the issue with them sexually harassing them.
Same! Marinette went from a strange fan to a creepy stalker and now I really don’t like her I liked her better in season 1 and 2 since her stalkerish traits weren’t as prominent
@@ZephyrLucki yeah at this point I'd tell Adrien to RUN and never look back. She shouldn't be rewarded for her behavior.
@@gigismith8133 I mean, that's the reason why most cases of female r*pists are child predators. Since most of the time they can't physically coerce a full grown man (unless they use threats and blackmail to make it "consensual"). Plus, it is (unfortunately) easier to coerce s child
@@gigismith8133That's a good take
this bothered me SO much as i was a kid watching this show but every time i would mention that it was weird everyone around me (even adults) would just say that it was just a joke or that chowder would come around eventually (which based on that episode where he’s literally destined to marry her apparently he will be that just makes it even worse to me lol). so essentially my younger self would have been so grateful for this video lol
Did you not enjoy this show?
@@anonymouslucario285 Whether he did or didn’t isn’t really the point
Tbh they said the same thing for the skunk. "It's just a joke and the cat likes him anyway when he isn't smelly"
I think that but the tone the skunk came back up due to the reboot, no one remembered chowder so no one complained.
@@animationdude9 refuse to believe u types of people arent real
@@bruggger6287 What people are you talking about?
The Sad thing is, they could have made the Ship wholesome if they made it about Panini Constantly making a fool of herself to get Chowders attention.
That's something Both Girls and Boys can do for each other, and it's quirky and funny without being creepy.
This just comes off as Annoying, and would have been banned off television if the roles were reversed.
Also if he was more oblivious to her crush (obsession) and was seen genuinely enjoying being in her presence instead of screaming in terror the moment he sees her. If they showed her as you said being clumsy and more secretly obsessed and their status was good friends then it would leave many to think “they are likely to end up together as adults and I am all for it.”
Yandere fans: **laughs**
I think the worst case of the “Double standard, women being pervs to men” trope is the Kanker Sisters. Who repeatedly stalk, harass, attempt to smooch and strip the Ed’s naked at least twice. But NEVER get any comeuppance for it. And they are completely genre blind when the Ed’s turn the tables in an episode and stalk the Kankers to their room. (All a plan by Double-D to use reverse psychology). Ed Edd n Eddy is a great show, but that’s an aspect that hasn’t stood the test of time.
I'm fairly certain that element was meant to be karma for their own stupid actions, like that episode where they try to scare the other kids with that house dare, and wind up in a horrible tunnel of love.
Don't get me wrong, it was still creepy, but there were a lot of times in the show where the Eds' stupidity got them into those situations. I mean, look at all the times they just walked right into the Kankers' trailer park because they weren't using their heads.
I don’t think the irs s double standard in Ed Edd n Eddy considering the Kankeds actions are seen as bad and meant to be seen as bad. And that episode was just them facing Karma for how they treated the Ed’s. It wasn’t meant to say, when the Ed’s do it, it’s bad but when the landers do it, it’s okay. That’s not what happened at all.
Let's not forget the ending to Big Picture Show...😐😏😱
@@EternalStorm796 the only time I'd feel bad for Eddy's dick of an older brother smh
funnily enough, in the Valentine's special, Double-D and May Kanker get smitten thanks to Cupid Jimmy and Sarah's arrows, and even after things resolve, there is a slight hint that the feelings were still somehow there between them...ah, but yes, the real undoing of this all is good ol' Status Quo.
I really hate double standards
Same.
Well no matter how you hate it, double standards will always be a thing no matter the timeline. It is what it is.
@@IllMatic97 At least now people want to talk about it. Century ago it wasn't even a talk.
@@IllMatic97 I think by talking about it and making our voices heard, we can loudly declare that we reject shitty media, loud enough so showmakers will listen. I refuse to just accept that some bad things are just the way things are.
@@gregvs.theworld451 no it probably will not happen. Men will be seen as strong and women will be seen as delicate no matter what century is.
Let’s not forget Marmalade! Y’know, that sweet girl Chowder actually liked being around (in a friend capacity) that made Panini go even crazier than usual. Like, imagine if it was the other way around. A girl meets a guy and they become friends, only for this obsessive stalker boy to come say “No, you can’t hang out with him.”
Good Ol' Marmalade
Funny enough, that’s actually the plot of The Kissing Booth 😂
@@tonybippitykaye I mean, does the joke really work if Noah and the girl were more than just friends?
I wish Panini was more of an actual rival to Chowder. It would’ve been awesome to see her competitive but not in a romantic or creepy way.
Having the two have a bake off and strictly be competitive and eventually forming to be friends would’ve been so awesome. If we have to have characters that are creepy, they should be the random ass characters who never show up in the show again.
But literally yes to the double standards arguments in the video and not taking women harassers/assaulters seriously. It continues the narrative of gender roles of “guys can’t be hurt because they’re men and they like it” fr fr
@Luna zoeThat was a good dynamic
I would like to see both as she would try to have her motivation to get chowder and tries to beat him as I do enjoy the lines of chowder and panini simp moments
I would love panini to do some character interaction with what she can do as a female character and what her personality can do for other characters and her relationship with her master be more special
she was originally going to be a bully to chowder
Isn't that basically just Gorgonzola? He's Chowder rival but after the apprentice game episode, he started to become more friendly toward Chowder
@@ValenArtsAnimation yeah we don’t need 2 maybe he should have been the apprentice of mung arch nemesis
When I was 7 there was this one girl who was OBSESSED with me. She would constantly follow me around, not let me see my other friends, and called me (I kid you not) her "husband". It got so bad that my teacher (Mrs. Smith) stepped in and finally broke us up. So yeah, the things that happened to Chowder happened to me too.
Do you feel like people took is as a joke or cute
Literally same. In pre school, kindergarten, 1st, and 2nd grade there was a girl in my class that would always stalk me and call me her “husband” She would always say that she wanted to grow up to be a mommy and I would be a daddy with her. It was quite annoying how all our teachers seen it as “cute” when I was literally being harassed by her daily!
Wow I'm so sorry that happened to you. Hope your in a better place now.
@@Blank85289 Yeah that must have sucked man. I hope your doing better now though.
@@justforrow thanks I’m doing fine!
"And living inside a giant bong"
That one line has completely reshapen how i saw chowder as a kid. And it makes everything make so much more sense. Didnt like it as a kid, but now i feel i need to give it a second chance lol
There are even smoke rings that come out of it with sound effects
Don't worry, the series finale has been confirmed to be a dream, even Chowder who was a kid again said it was a dream at the credits.
Wait... really?
It's been over a decade since I saw the finale so my memory might be kinda foggy on that one
Just checked, that infact happened
Now that I remember, I used to watch this show on UA-cam, and those where reuploads of the episode minus the opening and the credits
Wait so it was actually a dream all along?
@@tsanchez114 Yes, the episode was made before it was announced as canceled, there was going to be another season but it was canceled
That makes way more sense, otherwise the ending and message is pretty bad xs
If Chowder didn’t have at least one ship, the brilliant innuendos would go to waste
It should've been a healthier relationship though. To be fair, I haven't watched Chowder. We're there any characters that Chowder could've had a healthy romantic relationship with?
Furniture and celestial objects.
@@andysee6996 Nope, the only romantic interest Chowder had on a regular basis was Panini (and some one-off girl for an episode, that was pretty much played for getting Panini jelaous)
@@sadvec6328 but what about that rat kid? Don't remember their gender but they had a cool dynamic.
(I think the rat kid is male, I don't mind a bicon in chowder)
@@sadvec6328 You talkin bout Marmalade? She was a green pig thing with big Pink hair.
"And if you want an actual good version of this relationship, go watch " 'Hey Arnold!'." That was such a good note to end on. If Panini had been written a bit more like Helga, even just a tiny bit, then her character would have been exponentially more bearable than she turned out. Yeah, Helga's obsession with Arnold was at times creepy and unnerving (to the point where it's taken to dark extremes in Robot Chicken sketches like everything else), but Helga never tried to force herself on Arnold. The closest she came to doing that was in the first movie where she confesses to him and kisses him. Helga may have bullied Arnold to mask how she felt about him, but Arnold could still tell that she was a good person deep down. This mainly shines through in the way she interacts with people other than Arnold; especially Phoebe. And honestly, I think that's a major contributing factor to Panini's downfall as a character.
She interacted with so few characters other than Chowder. She's either attached to Endive, stalking Chowder, begrudgingly spending time with Gorgonzola only because Chowder is currently with him at the moment, or hanging with Ceviche; a.k.a. the boy who actually likes her but whom she constantly shoots down. Because Panini's obsession with Chowder was her defining character trait, she basically didn't have much of a life outside of him. And it doesn't help that the show is told almost entirely from Chowder's perspective, even in episodes that aren't about him specifically. If Panini had an actual social life and more friends, and we were able to see her interact with them, maybe her character would have been fleshed out more.
Of course, in my opinion, this would have only worked if she had lost interest in Chowder, but she was still interested in being friends with him like she was at the end of her first appearance in "Chowder's Girlfriend." Had Panini been written as Chowder's friend, with the two of them having a playful back and forth dynamic like you would expect to see between friends in cartoons, and if she had a life outside of him with some stories and episodes being dedicated to what she was doing, then I guarantee her character would have been much better off. And if they had to entertain the notion of shipping during the show, they could have made it so that Panini and Ceviche tried dating for a while (they'd have to fix Ceviche a bit as well), or they could have made Chowder and Panini grow closer in a healthier way than the whole "It's destiny, so you can't fight it" storyline we got in the finale.
Lastly: FUCK DOUBLE STANDARDS! NO MEANS NO!
I believe Chowder did see Panini as a friend though.
Also Shreik from CatDog had a unhealthy love interest on Dog as she is part of the greasers
@@NathanielCanty-wp7fp Yeah...she didn't hassle Dog too much, but she would gladly join in on beating up Cat.
Something I want to add to the “Pepe believes his own hype” thing: Pepe also got physically hurt. He chased cats whom he _thought_ were skunks. And then they voiced their displeasure at his unwanted attention, they did so with their *claws.*
Panini, meanwhile, never got any kind of physical comeuppance for her aggravated affection. I don’t even think she got “punished,” really- the physical side of the comedy always left Chowder as the victim. And I’m not saying Chowder should have hit her (mostly because it’s not in character for him, and they _are_ supposed to be children) but I am saying that there’s a disparity, here.
Don't forget there was at least one episode where the tables turned on Pepe, he fell into a vat of blue paint that removed his smell while the cat he was chasing fell into a barrel of water and the stripes washed off. He asked if she had seen the female skunk and then walked off..but now that he no longer smells and doesn't look completely like a skunk..the female cat (now soaking wet and sneezing from time to time) thinks Pepe is hunky as all get out and locks them in a building together and starts to chase him. The whole time she was locking the door Pepe was talking to her and getting more worried before running off at a full tilt like the cats normally do from him..and the cat is now hopping along like Pepe is known to do after him and the final line is Pepe saying "You know sometimes it is possible to be TOO attractive" in a panicky voice.
Yeah, as a 4-8 year old kid, I never walked away from that show thinking Pepe's actions were okay. They were all humorous lessons in consent (which is why it's frustrating why he was cancelled imo). Anybody who thinks the cartoon was glorifying Pepe's actions never watched more than 30 seconds of it.
@@MadocComadrin He's not..totally cancelled. I still see him on Looney Tunes reruns on Boomerang from time to time..Speedy Gonzales on the other hand? not a peep. Which is a shame cause from what I understand he was 'cancelled' for being a racial stereotype or something but a lot of Mexicans came out and said "we love Speedy"..like more than people expected..but you still can't see any of his old shorts on Boomerang even if they still show Pepe.
@@ShinKyuubi Honestly, Speedy González is a much healthier character than Pepe Le Pew.
@@alanbareiro6806 Friendly, ready to help, always there for his friends, never being mean to the foil of that particular cartoon short, usually Sylvester, rarely resorts to outright violence...honestly he's a decent role model by Looney Tunes standards.
Honestly I connect with Chowder on a personal level. I've been a victim of forceful women, or stalkers when I was younger. And people wouldn't take the situation seriously and thought it was "cute", or "adorable". But today I'm currently happily engaged with the woman I've loved for several years now.
Man where you get those from lmao
@@dontkickmychick6076 That response makes no sense.
Wow congrats on the engagement
The worst part is when detractors will say things like "Oh, so women are forceful? Nobody wants you're gross ass!" Like their taste dictates the taste of all women.
I was in situation like this wear girl was my stalker then later another girl forced herself on me I couldn’t do anything about cause she a lot stronger then me it painful
Same could be said about the tv show called “Pucca”. The main character of the show a girl named “Pucca”, and she would constantly sexually harass her crush named Garu.
Oh yeah, definitely! I could never watch that cartoon because Pucca always pissed me off with her actions toward Garu. It was super uncomfortable.
@@caxtillo9876 I admit Pucca always upset me to when she chased Garu around, but there were a few times Garu showed that he cared about Pucca, like when he stopped the wedding between Ring Ring and the fake Garu (Pucca showed that she cared about Garu in that one by sitting by and watched the person she believed was Garu marry another. She looked so heart broken the entire time and yet she let it happen instead of going up there and beating the crap out of ring ring) the time he gave her flowers to cheer her up when she was crying from her heart being broken. I even remember an episode where Garu entered a dating show for Pucca's affection (against a bad clone Garu) and lost, he looked upset until Pucca attacked the fake clone Garu. Garu looked over and smiled at Pucca then proceeded to attack the clone with her and ran away after once her attention was on him. There was even another episode where he fell inlove with another version of Pucca. I think the show was trying to make Garu a Tsundra and Pucca a Yander for laughs, but they didn't go the best away about it. It doesn't help that he's on a vow of silence so we can't get his verbal take on it. Only the villagers who sometimes talk about Pucca and Garu being lovers, Garu being shy, and when he took the vow of silence
I realized that too. I have seen the original flash animated ones from 2004 (made by the original creators in South Korea) and in those ones she is not so handsy in those short, to the point where Garu actually gives affection back and even confesses his love to her in one short(they still do in any short made by the original creators). But in the tv show from 2007 (made by jetix Europe) she is way more handsy and garu never really returns affection by 100% will. But I pointed out the creators because this trope only appeared once it was being made by English people, not the original creator from South Korea (vooz is the original owner) so perhaps this is something That happens in English culture?
TL;DR: pucca and garu actually seem to love each other in the shorts made by the original South Korean creators, only got uncomfortable when it was being made by English people on the tv show, so maybe this is something in English culture that’s accepted?
The creators said that Garu actually likes her, but because he took a vow of silence and is Ninja with many enemies, he chooses to avoid her and not let her get close.
Still not good relationship but Pucca did show signs of giving up few times and then he would do something that would give her hope.
So it's mutually wanted but not mutually persuaded relationship I suppose?
@@ines1084 Even if the creators did clarify Garu likes Lucca, then make an episode where fans can understand more why he can't reciprocate Pucca's feelings rather than him just randomly popping there and then for Pucca. To me, it seems he just did it because he sympathized her. Create a simple episode, maybe around when he decided to become a ninja and when he finally took the vow, he realized the potential of Pucca being in danger so he decided to push away his feelings and kept it locked. Then fast forward to this the present, you can see he still avoids her but then comes home, the moment he closed the door, he blushes and act like someone in love. Then open a chest where he wrote letters to Pucca but never sent it out. In a way, we can go 'oooh, that's why'. Idk, it's not that hard to create his scene. Certainly doesn't break his character too.
I swear, as a little girl, I don’t think I liked Panini very much.
I didn’t hate her, I just wasn’t a fan of her weird stalker hijinks. I was more confused than amused at seeing this pink bunny girl pining after this dude. Think it was my first time watching Chowder and seeing Panini, I was just like….huh?? Now that I’m watching this video, I remember why I felt off about it.
You done unlocked a memory. Appreciate it, Sarcasm🥴😭
Are you saying this show gave you trauma?
@@anonymouslucario285 I don't think so
@@anonymouslucario285 No💀 Chowder is very much not on the tier list of things that traumatized me as a kid.
@@reiyujigo Now I’m curious to hear that you have a list.
@@nelzelpher7158 I remember watching an episode from Rabbids Invasions that had an old an expired donut, and when eaten, would turn the eater into some zombie, or something..
I forgot, I watched that when I was fairly young. And after watching that episode, I hated donuts for what? 4-7 months?..Like, if you talked about chocolate donuts (Which, by the way is my absolute favorite) I would cover my ears and or go somewhere far.
I don't know if that was trauma, but I just remember hating donuts AND Rabbids invasions after that episode.
That's right children, if you don't like someone, you have to be the one to date them because that is YOUR responsibility, never mind the fact that the person clearly has consent issues and stalkerish tendencies
This totally won't cause toxic relationships to fester in the future I'm sure of it
Wish someone had told me this (sarcastically) when I met a pedophile in Pre-U......
I remember vividly when I was a little kid not even in first grade and 2 girls both named christine had kissed me while we had been in classes. It was one of them on the trip at Chuck E. Cheese that kissed me out of nowhere while me and my friends were playing on the slides and the teacher saw it happen. The teacher immediately said she was going to tell my parents about it and being a kid with no voice being shy and no understanding of what to do I couldn’t even explain myself. I got yelled at by my dad about it when I was never educated on things about this at all and knew it wasn’t even my fault that it happened.
Even when I was a young teenager, I thought Panini was CREEPY AS FUCK. Her thirstiness wasn't cute, it was creepy. And Chowder was 100% not in any way shape or form interested. And it was even worse that the rest of Marzipan City thought it was adorable! If Chowder was the one being a creepy stalker towards Panini, I doubt the townspeople would have been as willing to think it's cute. Double standards aren't cute, I feel the same about Helga from Hey Arnold. She was creepy as fuck.
I did not see hey Arnold but I saw a clip where helga had a shrine to Arnold’s head which is an example of how creepy this woman force men thing is and how toxic the dynamic in chowder is.
Maybe they should put some flashbacks or any excuses to make me like this "born to be love interest" character
“You make my girlhood tremble” was the line that will always be engraved in my mind😭
I watched this back when it aired and I felt bad for Chowder back then. Pepe would at least get karma when his hard flirting bit him in the butt, because whenever he lost his skunk funk Penelope would reciprocate it HARD.
Or that one time when it turned out he was actually married and has kids and his wife beated him gor going for another woman.
@@valentinkambushev4968 I know the episode you're talking about but I believe that character was considered to be his "father," Henry le Pew. (Or Stinky) Basically Pepe's origin story may have been his dad was a bad influence.
@@valentinkambushev4968 Hold up! Pepe's got a whole family? When was this?
@@jenneacubero1036 it was a very early Silvester cartoon where the cat (who I don't think is named) is abused by the dog character and so gives himself a white stripe on his back to hide as a skunk. This attracts the interest of an actual skunk who mistakes a male cat for a female of his kind. The cartoon ends with the skunk, Henry, being shown to have a irritated wife and a number of kids and proceeds to get his butt kicked while the cat runs away and removes the paint stripe.
The whole schoolteacher thing pisses me off so much, especially since boys as young as 12 have been court-ordered to pay child support to their rapists. In the US, at least. Men and boys just can’t seem to catch a break on this issue.
There's no way in hell what you just said is true.
It....it can't be. I must have misread that. That's not 12, that's 21. Yeah.....yeah, that's right. Existence can be cruel but it's not on the level of garbage fire where a court order a fucking *child* to pay child support to their grown ass adult rapists. No way in hell.
@@Takejiro24 Unironically want to see a source. Not saying they're lying, but I genuinely can't believe (and pray) this is something that has occurred. I know that the US is a special place and all, but it can't be THAT stupid...
Right?
I mean, rapists have made successful cases in getting child visitation rights for the baby they forced on the victim. The US legal/"justice" system is royally fucked up. So a young teen boy being assaulted by an adult and having to pay child support? As gross as it sounds, I'm not putting it past our legal system...
@@Bapringles no stuff like that does happen same with sperm donors and people who don’t give evidence that they are not the father on time
@@Takejiro24 chill out bro
A small details show Panini's stalking:
1) Her eyes. This is popular trope, when artist wants to show a mania of his/her/their characters.
2) Her fangs. The predators has big fangs, not rabbits or rodents. Panini is a little sexually predator.
3) Green heart is on her dress. Green color is a symbol of toxic. Panini has a unhealthy interest to Chaunder.
1 she is not a sexual predator just very creepy and 2 She’s addict at Chowder
I’m sorry…but I think you’re a little lost when it comes to the “fangs” thing. Panini is just a kitty rabbit, like Chowder is a cat-rabbit-bear thing. They both have snaggleteeth because they are hybrids of kitties.
I would like to point out another example of the double standards in media. There is this movie series called "Horrible bosses" in which three dudes are trying to kill their horrible bosses (that's only in the first movie) one of the dudes is named Dale (played by Charlie Day) who is an assistant to a nymphomaniac dentist named Julia (played by Jennifer Aniston). He can't find another job because he has been accused of pedophilia (without a reason) and he has to deal with his boss, who is constantly trying to fuck him, despite him always turning her down.She reveals to him that at some point she drugged him and basically raped him. She even threatens to show the photos to his girlfriend if he doesn't fuck her for real. By the end of the movie Dale puts Julia on her place and in the next movie he and his friends have their own business and Dale has triplets. Due to events I don't have time to discuss here Dale and Julia's paths cross again and she decides to catch the only man who has ever escaped her, while also ruins his marriage. Dale gets shot and aweiks four days later. During this time Julie has saved his marriage (and presumably fucked his wife in the process) . She then tells Dale that he isn't in her list anymore, because she might have raped him while he was nconsciousness.
Here is how it works:
Man rapes woman- tragedy!
Woman rapes man- comedy.
Horrible Bosses was a red flag I really should have paid more attention to with my former circle of friends. They all found it hilarious, while I was inwardly going 'WTF?!' and especially at the Julia stuff.
Oh, ew. I thought I heard the horrible bosses movies were pretty funny. I was probably going to watch them soon. Guess it's good to know I dodged a bullet not seeing them yet, and now I don't ever intend to.
NAUR coz I remember seeing that scene when I was younger bc idk my dad was watching it in the living room or whatever and it pissed me off so much like 😭😭😭 bitch wtf
I don't think jule fuck his wife
@@gregvs.theworld451 They are funny movies, it's just the double standards with the female boss that might make you uncomfortable.
"They wanted it anyway" has to be one of the worst things I've ever heard. If it's not okay to say to women, it's not okay to say to men. It should never be said at all and is disgusting on so many levels.
I've said it a hundred times and I'll say it another a hundred. Reversing the dynamic of something toxic or problematic isn't good in any way. It only sets us back since we haven't been rid of it entirely. Defending it by saying "It happens the other way around more" isn't a good defense. We should be working toward leaving it in the past, not giving it to someone else who has experienced it less. That's not how change works and it never should be.
Agreed, shame men are shamed for being upset over assault.
@@arandomladywithabadsleepsc1748 Since when
It's not feminists doing this though, it's men that put these standards on other men and it's men who want a girl to be interested in them basically
@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 ..No. I’m a woman, and I have heard plenty of fellow gals argue that it’s the mens fault or treat it as jokes, along with how *some* feminists will, while not all do, I have met a handful of them argue the exact same thing, you saying “since when” is simply confusing because I have always heard people argue it, please get educated on the topic before speaking of it. We have all seen women and men argue that male SA victims are the ones to blame or that it’s a “funny thing” despite that not being anywhere near the case, we have heard this, you are attempting to say we are saying ALL feminists(even thought I hadn’t brought up feminism within my reply) are the reasoning when that wasn’t what I argued.
@@arandomladywithabadsleepsc1748 And I've seen men do this as well. I mentioned feminists because moronic MRA pretend its feminists' job to deal with male issues, which btw they talk about.
people seem to forget this part of the finale, Young Choder (as the expy of the audience) actually does come up after Adult Chowder and Panini get married with 50 kids and out right calls bullshit. Mung does admit he was pulling Chowder's leg on that one.
So it didn't really happen?
After he calls that future evil, young Panini comes by and says "but Chowder, we look so happy together" and chases him, then his adult self says "man, we were cute as kids". Idk how you take that as anything but the show viewing their relationship positively. I don't see the part where Mung admits to pulling his leg at the end.
As a boy whose been harrassed by another guy and was ignored by our mutual friends because "oh cmon don't exaggerate", I just hate this whole double standard shit,
Like I got shit thrown at me for having a dude behind me 24/7 and destroying my mental health, I can't imagine guys being insulted when a girl assaults them... It has to be much worse.
I wish feminism can just be clear about that but no, double standard wanna clap back until the point where someone said something along the lines of "(insert bad thing here) is a crime made no matter the gender" and suddenly no one talks about it anymore but no one brought that statement to light
I wanna be the one who bring this around and points out all the terrible people no matter the gender, for all god knows maybe the terrible person is a nonbinary
Not to mention how okay everyone seems to be with assgrabbing and other passing things if the receiver is a male, and the same goes to things like slapping and hitting in public, guys don't get slapped unless they deserved it if the one slapping him was a female(Especially his partner), right? You sure as hell won't find anyone stepping in to stop her or tell her off the guy, either(It gets pretty embarrassing to not know how many people would tell you to not 'make such a fuss' as well in those situations, so it's REALLY hard to see what the clear way to defend yourself is in the moment)
Yeah this has always been issue in media, espically modern media, woman are basically allowed to do what every they want to men no matter who vile and disgusting its a joke, infact i'm not sure if anyone remembers the whole "Rising of rthe shield hero debacle" but the one time a female character did something inceredibly vile and the series actually frames it as such, the backlash was instant , its kinda baked into our society that women are innocent and need protecting but in reality they can be and often times as vicious, cruel , creep and mean spirited as males can be but our media keeps saying portraying it as "OH aren't women quirky"
...wat
I've never watched rising of the Shield hero but I used to know someone who loves the show and from what I heard (if we're talking about the evil red haired princess) SHE IS THE SINGLE MOST DESPICABLE CHARACTER I'VE EVER HEARD OF!!!
How the fuck can her getting any just deserts be framed a bad thing?!
I know it's really sad and upsetting that men are constantly petrayed as the Evil, perverted and abusive villains and women are always petrayed as the innocent victims
@@pyromaniac2104 people claimed it was problematic bc his girl allies were essentially slaves and the villain chick was a stawman for not believing women or somn.
Honestly people read too much into it especially when there were also positive female character portayals like the queen who is an absolute BOSS
@@thatonkgau5221 women aren't always portrayed as being "innocent" or a "victim" little dude. That's a poor take but also it's exception vs the rule, men are usually viewed in ways as a means of evil because man itself is capable of great evil if left unchecked while women are victims of circumstances which happens a lot, whether you disagree with me or not I couldn't care less because I'm not trying to change your mind but you got to consider the context of the point your trying to make. Basically my point is women are and have been portrayed as evil but like I said before it's an exception compared to what a man can do, not everybody can be a victim kiddo.
@@IllMatic97 You literally could of just dumbed it down to something like: "women in fact do have a evil portrayals - though on occasion & depending on what media you're viewing."
And another thing, you brought up the idea of considering context 1st, which in itself is fine, but have you stopped to consider how despite the context - the majority of times we see a "bad" woman is in W vs. W stories & very rarely M vs W/W vs. M? Especially as we're in the era of Woke.
I was the Panini when I was younger, and I regret it with my whole life. I hurt so many friendships because I was a freaking moronic psycho who wanted to be loved in that way. But alas, boys and girls just aren’t on the same wavelength a lot of the time. It took me way too long to figure that out. By the time I did, it was too late. The damage was done.
And I think that’s the worst punishment I got- realizing that everyone hated me for a very good reason. It really broke me, and it took about a year before I picked myself up again.
Romantic/Sexual harassment of any kind is revolting. That is *NOT* how you get a relationship. I know this is a strange testimony to put in since it’s about the victims of this kind of harassment, but the harassers are at a severe loss as well.
If you want love you must be patient and willing to put in the slow, gradual effort to make it happen. Going in full throttle and persisting with it is how you get Chowder and Panini. I wish I could’ve heeded that advice sooner and didn’t choose to learn the hard way.
Same here but with constantly trying to get all my friends to stay my friends
Remember ladies if you push hard enough and stalk someone you’ll get the person of your affection
Ayano that you?
Sakura sure took that advice
Marinette in a nutshell
@@47ratsinahoodie you damn madlad. That’s 100 with you
I take it the same lesson can apply for men who are after that special someone...
I always hated this trope. Don't get me wrong, I love me a "lovesick" girl character, but when it gets to stalkish and just psychotic behavior it just gets on my nerves.
But what i do notice is, Panini is never framed as being in the right (at least, in the latin american dub they always made her say obviously twisted reasonings or saying she was lying) while Pucca and Marinette are not only the leads but are always shown to be in the right or the "heroes" and not crazy, and somehow I find it a bit worse in those cases
But yeah, I would've liked Panini to have more character than this lol
My friend and I constantly talk about how great it’d be if Gabriel got arrested/executed for his _minor_ amounts of terrorism and Emilie and Nathalie just started dating and raised Adrien like an actual parent should. We usually just completely omit Mari in any AU we make because we just hate her that much.
God, I forgot about Pucca.
Let's not forget about Amy. I mean, I love her, but I still gotta call her out...😅
Yeah, it's like Pepe Le Pew. I know that Looney Tunes isn't character/plot driven, but, it always acts like Pepe is in the right for doing the stuff he does to Penelope. She constantly bashes him on the head and a few other stuff, but, he won't take the hint. And the only time he gets any consequences is when Penelope gets some love potion or something else.
@@thomashuffman3237 or if doesn't smell bad. Lol
There are at least times where it's a mutual attraction unlike here.
As a woman biologically myself, it’s a standard like this I can't stand. If women are creepy, it's 'endearing' and 'quirky'. But if it were a man? The show would've been cancelled immediately.
Edit: To everyone a little peeved I used "biologically", I identify as Non-Binary, so I don't call myself a man or a woman. I was just born in a woman's body. ^w^ Sorry for any confusion!
Did a man or woman create this show?
@@ManiyaVinas does it matter? If women made the show they see this behavior as completely acceptable and should even be encouraged.
If men made the show it's because they've been indoctrinated to see no problem with by society
@@tiredman99 Don’t know which is worse, but still curious who made the show.
@@ManiyaVinas you do realize this is a group of people who agreed to make this was a group effort not one person to make this right and what about the fans if they liked it they had to make more of it so truth all of us are to blame
@@ManiyaVinas a team of people obviously
"There's no better example than this."
The Kanker sisters: "We are right here."
At least they're actually acknowledged as bad people.
@@Luigicat11 At least there's a reason for Panini to exist in the show. You could remove the Kankers from Ed Edd n Eddy and nothing would change.
@@jeremyusreevu237
Well, _almost_ nothing. Some episodes would actually end in the Eds winning out because they don't have their diabolus ex machina crutch.
@@Luigicat11 It would have been nive some winnings tbh
@@Hugo-yz1vb
Yeah. The only good that ever came from the Kankers was that extremely satisfying scene where Eddy actually told them off to protect Edd.
I think Pucca had the double standard even worse , i mean it was the show´s whole premise
Thats a show I haven't heard in a long time.
I remember the one episode she got a taste of her own medicine by using the moon to make Garu fall in love with her which worked then Garu was chasing her the same way she did, she hated it so much she reversed the process and things went back to normal lol
@@shakeymistakey3881 I remember that episode, I hoped it would stick but realized thats false hope.
Let's be honest, Pucca should been on prison
PUCCAAAAAA LOVES GARUUUUUUU
Let's thank South Korea for their creations once more.
The only thing that runs through my mind whenever Panini showed up was, "LEAVE this boy ALONE!
He's not into YOU!" In other words. This chick scared me in my childhood, and women like that, still does today.
And to the people who support this, true crime is a thing, IT'S NOT. FUNNY!!😰
She's a Yandere. She's the definition of "If I can't have him, then no one can"
Feels like she needs to be put into the funny farm, There are other guys that would like her back but CHOWDER SHOWS NO INTEREST AND SAYING ITS HIS DESTINY TO KNOCK PANINI UP
Honestly I kind of hate when people use the term "yandere" since women like this are more than just an anime trope and are legitimately dangerous. Idk, comparing it to an anime type that you're oftentimes supposed to like seems a bit iffy
They could've made her his rival and then made them friends
Actual crazy woman aren't really like pannini pain.
@@royalblanket I'm a little bit surprised he didn't mention "yanderes" seems relevant with the whole it's cute when the girl is insane
The therapy Panini needs-
Another example of this double standard would be the garbage fire that was bolin’s relatship with the dArK AVataR’s daughter who upon seeing the guy claimed he was hers, forced him to wear a collar, said having girlfriend and having a boss is the same thing, and then tried to force him to marry her. And these all happen throughout all of season 2 and the whole cast either laugh at bolin’s obvious distress or just move on like it’s natural. Not even bolin’s brother did anything to help him get out of a relationship he didn’t want. The lengend of Korra had a lot of problems and their relay ships was definitely one of them with bolin’s “relationship” was played as a joke the entire season cuz women hurting man is so funny.
I think i remember that part. Neither Korra nor his own brother helped Bolin in that situation very well. At most I think they just said “dude just break up with her. Let her off easy, you’ll be fine”, also that “dark avatar” plot line felt like a fanfic.
This is how I would rewrite Panini: She would be a happy, yet stubborn type of girl, who at first would be hostile towards Chowder, due to knowing he’s learning to cook at her mentor’s rival. But as the show progresses, she would be warming up to him more and more thanks to a genuine kindness he would be showing to her, but still trying to beat him at being the best chef. Eventually, the episode happens where her views completely change (by for example Chowder helping her in a harsh situation or something), and ends up catching feelings for her rival. For the rest of the series, she acts cute and shy around him, occasionally blushing and trying to impress him. And finally, near the end of the series, she confesses her love, and in the series finale these two end up getting married :3
(Yeah, I know it’s a typical „enemies to lovers” trope, but I think it’s better than „an obsessive girl stalks her crush”)
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We Stan enemies to lovers in this house!
I'm glad you made this video because it needed to be said
Even when I was a kid, Panini's obsession with Chowder always made me uncomfortable. I even yelled at the TV a few times like, "Oh my God, just leave him alone already!"
Boys can be victims of assault and they need to be heard and taken seriously.
I didn’t think about it much i just watched and enjoyed the show
@@ThiccFurryBoi34 Barking up the wrong tree
@@DragonGoddess18 why I enjoyed it why do you have to get mad at it
@@ThiccFurryBoi34 I'm saying don't wait for me to like what you did
@@DragonGoddess18 what’s with you their married and happy isn’t that all it counts
I just realized you were right about the ending. It’s weird how Chowder isn’t living his own life, he’s forced to being what everyone else wants him to be. Ouch
Well funnily enough young Chowder at the end of that finale episode outright said he rejected that future so knows perhaps the future ended up at least a little different for him?
This is a double standard in the world not just in media.
Pretty sure the whole joke is she's a rabbit, and rabbits are known to... well, "breed like rabbits." Which is why they have a ridiculous amount of kids in the finale.
yep. thats the whole joke.
But Chowder is also (at least partly) a rabbit, so that would imply he should want to be with her too. Male rabbits are the horny ones in real life. Female rabbits don't even go into heat until after they've been penetrated once, so they jave to have sex at least twice to get pregnant (from my rabbit care book)
@@kjw21411 I always assumed Chowder was more cat / bear than rabbit (I think the show says he's a hybrid of a rabbit, a cat, and a bear?) given the short ears & overall lack of rabbit-like features, but tbh I'm not sure. This show was weird.
@@LupinticDream I like the fact that even to this day after *nearly 15 years* we have no fuckin clue what the hell chowder even is🤣
@@animationdude9 Same thing with other characters like Marmalade. Like Gazpacho says: "the weird, pig-frog thing."
One quick note: I think I remember CH Greenblatt once comparing Chowder and Panini to Goku and Chichi, in that both Panini and Chichi cared so much about marrying their childhood crushes and both have fiery tempers when things don't go according to plan. But it doesn't quite work, given that Chichi never stalked Goku and Goku actually cared about her/liked her to an extent.
Well, let’s compare them when they were kids.
Goku didn’t even know what marriage was, as a kid he thought it was something to do with food.
When they grow up, he eventually kept their promise and they got married anyway. And ignore the poor flanderization they did with Super, they both did love each other at the end.
Chowder, might be a child, he still didn’t want anything to do with Panini. Unlike being clueless, he’s straight up creeped out by her.
@@thefvguy5648 Flanderization is a stupid term. Flanders became more religious because his wife died. Character development.
@@cooldud7071
Whatever you feel about the origin of the term doesn’t matter.
It does happen in a lot of media and it’s the common term used for it.
@@cooldud7071 hysteria used to describe female emotions = mental illness, but now we use it for when people are crazy today. Bad past, but we use it today anyways because that's life.
14:28 - lol just something about the way you said "fuck you, marry me" was hilarious 😂
Chowder and Panini's typical banter was always pretty funny to be you know with Panini always forcing her love on Chowder in him saying "I'm not your boyfriend" all the time, it always made me laugh hell i think the most hilarious thing Chowder ever said about Panini was in the Bruised bluenana episode when Chowder called her a mad woman. lol
I still remember when Panini had 50 babies in the final episode, every time i see that part i can't help but think-"Wow, i've heard of women who are baby crazy, but this is ridiculous"
@@theponyofglory8545 doesn't help since she's a Bunny lol
@@Specters0rd chowder is also half rabbit too
Don’t forget the one episode where Panini thought Chowder liked another girl so she faked a relationship to try and make him jealous and wound up trying to fight the other girl in a gladiatorial match.
That seems like a normal cartoon trope tho
The other girl 9I know her name but have trouble spelling it) liked Panini's friend (Forgot his name) at the end and had the same dynamic...
In a sense, the trope _does_ give at least a subtle impression that these crazily obsessed girls/women _are_ a red flag and should be avoided, though there's no denying that it's a very poorly handled trope that should be taken more seriously than it is. Panini was pretty much a full-on Yandere. I remember the episode with Chowder meeting Marmalade and spending the day with her at a festival, and Panini gets super jealous...yeah, I'm pretty sure she would've _ended_ her if it weren't for it being a kids show.
i mean the name translated literally is "love crazy"
I always thought it was messed up that the show never picked a side. Panini is creepy as fuck and should be in prison. If you are pretending that's not true then Chowder constantly insulting her is uncalled for. Like which is it? Am I supposed to be happy when she gets hit or when she gets married? Can't have both. Pepe le Pew never gets called creepy to his face.
Why do we like this show again?
@@anonymouslucario285 its funny. Regards of the problems shown in this video the jokes are still funny.
@@anonymouslucario285 cause we love the jokes and characters even panini I mean what would the show be without her we wouldn’t be here
@@anonymouslucario285 ua-cam.com/video/GSngTp80Mn8/v-deo.html
So, this does remind me of a story concept for a story that basically saying "No, men don't always want it, and yes, woman can be abusers and molesters."
It's a high school set thriller that I'm pitching as sort of Heathers meets Cape Fear, about a math tutor who becomes the source of affection for the cheercaptain mean girl archetype, and since she doesn’t like being told no for anything her actions eventually go from "red flags but harmless" to "yandere simulator levels". That last part is not a hyperbolic comparison; if ya catch what I'm implying.
One of my favorite scene ideas is when we first see the start of her crazy. She surprises him with a kiss and at first allows it cause, "Whoa, okay, I didn't ask for this, but yeah, I like this a lot." But then she starts getting more grabby, and then he has to stop her.
"Look, I um... I'm sorry. I'm super flattered, but... I meant it when I said I wasn't... ready for that kind of relationship. I really am not. And I mean, it's not like we're even dating."
What follows is an unreadable robotic expression from this girl for what goes on long enough that you notice that it has been long, like at least 9 seconds of an uncomfortably held gaze until she smiles, without sincerity and gives an obviously fake apology. It's as if she had to physically take the time to comprehend that she was being rejected by a man, whom she knows is attracted to her and by all stereotypical reasoning would be jumping at the chance to get laid first chance he could.
One of the best things about the show Chalk Zone is the creator was very adamant despite fan rumor that the two main characters were just platonic. Which is great
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This one hits hard once you remember she wasn't able to move on from Chowder not being her boyfriend when she was an adult and she turned neurotic, not in a cartoony funny sense, actually manic obsession.
I like going back to my childhood to forget my adulthood problems... this is not working
The Boondocks reference killed me. Fucking good insert lol.
I actually ended up in a situation where a girl was completely obsessed with me, and I had no feelings. I eventually broke up with her, and she even talked about starting again in two days because I would "be ready again" for her, it's fucking weird.
Don’t u miss a girl liking you tho? Now no women likes you and u don’t miss it
I love and grew up with this show but even as a kid I felt sad for chowder
Honestly I had a girl in middle school act just like Panini for a while, always hovering around me and hugging me *much* too tightly and I was just having none of it, even though she was absolutely gorgeous. It wasn't fun, tbh
Still I miss women affection. Than when. U get older and no women likes u u regret rejecting her
@@kobebeanburner6530 you uh.. you wanna try typing that again?
@@kobebeanburner6530 I can see why woman don’t like you. No woman wants a simp.
@@kobebeanburner6530 skill issue
@@kobebeanburner6530 There's a reason why women don't like you.
It's weird how Chowder basically got Panini to back off by saying he wants to marry her, but then she keeps hitting on him in future episodes.
It was so dumb, she literally gaslit him into saying that he was invading her space when *she's* the one who was trying to kiss and marry him in the first place.
Chowder literally gave up and basically said: "Fine, I'll marry you since that's what you want. Get off my back." and Panini basically turned around and said he was nuts for it. What the hell.
I think the joke is when he's not interested she gets to chase him, she loses the chase when he gets interested back. I don't think she actually wants to be with him but she wants him to fight back when she makes advances.
@@GameparkGames Except in the show, she always seems to actually be into him. There's an episode where Chowder meets another g*rl and gets jealous of her.
The cat that Le Pew [However his name is spelled] isn't not interested in him, she likes him and loves him in the same French way he loves her. She just can't stand his smell and tries to run away from *IT* Not *HIM* because he is a skunk. There was an episode where his smell is masked away by her losing her sense of smell and she goes nuts over him that he is startled in how passionately she is perusing him.
Yes and no, she dislikes him for being a skunk but have some episodes his stripes disappear and she sees him as a cat and she stalks him, the same happens to him he doesn't give a crap about her when she is a cat but paint a white stripe on her back and now she is wife material, but yes in the end they both are terrible
Depends on the episode, really. The Looney tunes episodes are rarely consistent
Overall I believe its the stereotypical image of Pepe Le Pew got him in trouble. Their are some episodes that show the relationship in a different light and showcases some context into the whole thing. But from the outside perspective without context it seen as a guy stalking a girl who is not interested which isn't an acceptable image anymore. Overall, as time goes on and people get less familiar with the Looney Tunes that outsider perspective becomes more well known.
I think the cat is seen multiple times with Pew in other movies. And ij the looney tunes show as well in one of the side bumps.
Feel free to disagree but in my opinion people are taking the Pepe Le Pew Cartoons too seriously 9 times out of 10 children won't have any concept of what sex is let alone sexual harassment and adults should know that assault is wrong so it's extremely unlikely for anyone to watch A Pepe Le Pew cartoon or even Chowder and walk away from it thinking "wow the cartoon character on my TV are doing questionable things so I should do it too" it's simply a cartoon about a love sick Skunk that can't find love because he smells bad chasing a cat nothing more nothing less. I highly doubt there are any cases of people actually committing crimes because they watched Pepe Le Pew people are worried over a non existent issue and if there was a case of that happening would it really make sense to ban him because of one stupid person out of millions who have also watched Pepe Le Pew and turned out fine?
I just had a flashback moment realizing this is exactly the same relationship as Timmy and Tootie in Fairly Odd Parents. Like... Jeez, and they wrote Timmy as growing up to marry her *too.* How many children's cartoons played with this again...?
well it's only implied in channel chasers Timmy married someone, we don't know it it was Tootie, for all we know he had kids with some random chick that just so happens to have black hair, another thing is that we don't see an adult Tootie so for all we know she could've grown out of her stalker personality.
Tootie is a character that has similar issues to Timmy which is why its easy for the viewer to relate to her. It's also shown she grows up and becomes quite mature. She pesters Timmy but at the same time Timmy has wronged her at times too. They're relationship is a lot more balanced than a stalker chase up until the dying seasons.
Ah yes, it also reminded me of the time Timmy wished to be the last male entity in the world, leading to Trixie going absolutely bat shit insane. Then again, it was more a play on her need for constant validation, but you can surely make a point about girls chasing boys being something to laugh at
Didn’t tootie help Timmy with exposing vickey in channel chasers
"This isn't closure. It's a question mark, about how several seasons of harassment could turn into marriage"
Bro that was a bar 👌🏽🔥
Looking back at this show, I just feel so bad for Chowder.
I mean he is happy in the end
Chowder was legendary! Loved the show, only remember some episodes as I was like 6 or 7 when It was still airing.
I should really Re-watch all the episodes
Please do, the show is a gem
I passed through this kind of thing when i was around 8 years old. There was a girl that constantly stalked me and hugged me everyday, and i always tried to run alway from her. I didn't knew shit about relationships, or affection because i wasan't much of a "social" kind of kid (since my family was super overprotective with me), so i just saw her actions as "ew weird", and every kid would start joking about us and saying we were a couple.
I remember that on her birthday she said she wanted to MARRY me. That was one day before i changed schools.
I wonder how she is nowdays, and i hope she's living her life happily
I got married to this type of girl when I was younger. She was obsessed but I kinda liked it but I also didn’t. It feels good when a girl likes u but obsessed is to much. She even kissed me on the cheek
I gotta get this off my chest after seeing many comments.
Boundaries should be set and must be abided by
It’s not ok either way around, do not let anyone tell you someone being predatory towards you is “just a joke”/ok in any way.
And here’s another thing I need to say because I remembered.
Just because you’re together doesn’t mean they can force you to have sex with them. Spousal rape is real. And if you think you’re unsafe then tell someone, it may take a few tries but you’re still valid and don’t let anyone say predatory actions and behavior are ok.
Spousal rape wasn't a thing before we started pretending that the giant children are adults because guaranteed sexual access was right there in the contract. What exactly do you think "to have and to hold" means? And women could and _did_ get divorces if their husband wasn't putting out, even in medieval times.
@@jsn1252 rape is rape no matter what. “Happy healthy long life together” ring a bell if someone gets raped they’re not gonna be happy, they’re gonna have lasting trauma. And if you’re stuck with someone who raped you the you’re not gonna be happy. “To have and to hold” doesn’t give you the right to rape your spouse.
Just because medieval women divorced their husbands because they were unhappy with their sex life doesn’t mean that because you’re unhappy with yours.
medieval women were constantly beaten, and if they left their husband they were scrutinized. They were seen as damaged goods. They also called them hysterical if they wanted to be treated like more than just property. They were treated like tokens, and there were knights unable to talk to their own mothers because they were seen just as “tempting” as other women.
@@jsn1252 dude, no means no. If you have sex with someone without consent, that is rape. It doesn't matter if you're married or not, without consent, it is rape. If you truly believe that it isn't, I'm deeply concerned.
@@jsn1252 also while women could get divorces, they couldn't typically get jobs. If we are going back to mediaeval times, women had to stay with their husbands in order for financial stability due to how society was structured. Furthermore deviating from the nuclear family structure was highly frowned upon.
Of course when the convo is about an issue, someone has to make it a gendered one.
Child worker? Its an apprentice ship.
Yeah, they overdid panini way much. I guess the difference between her and Pepe, is that as far as I remebered pepe never got the girl as she loose the paintmark and pepe would loose her, while panini get what she wants becuaee of continued crazyness and chowder being forced into it, and even as a kid I hated she was just there to be a babymaker, in the ending it shouldve been both cooking together she was good at it and then atleast she'd be doing something chowder would love too. Still fun show, theyy couldve done vetter with Pan.
I remember that the real reason why he was constantly rejected wasn’t because of his behavior, but because of his stench, though he’s not really some misunderstood angel, he cheated on his wife, though he did get punished for that, and Penelope, when not bombarded with Pepe’s stench, is actually as intense as he is xd
@@dustymcwari4468 Yea the thing is Penelope does like Pepe, she just can't stand his stench. When he does not have the stench Penelope goes crazy for Pepe and pepe becomes the one to back off. Its just old 1950's "what we think a relationship is" thinking. Chowder never liked Panini throught the entire show.
@@johnbradley7294 yeah, that ending, the Panini part is honestly the one thing that ruins it, it’s way too forced how they wanna make Panini’s insanity be Chowder’s fault, and that he should marry her and have tons of children, just fulfilling the harasser’s fantasy as if it’s the right thing to do xd, and that ending doesn’t take into account if Chowder just happens to marry someone he actually likes, or if he just never marries, he and everyone else can continue being happy, while Panini remains insane xd, it would’ve worked better as a way to also show Panini the grim path she was taking if she was keeping that unhealthy obsession, and rather than marrying Chowder, that she can find happiness herself if she gives someone else a chance, as she also kept rejecting people, or alternatively, just stop forcing her way and let Chowder breathe, who knows, she’s a good chef herself, and Chowder loves to eat, so maybe Panini wanting to speed everything up is the one reason that makes Chowder dislike her
I only just realized that Chowder and Panini are the same species. That is mind blowing.
Ngl, I just thought it was innocent because there are both children and she'll learn but mostly because "comedy". But the finale shows Panini still obsess with the idea of Chowder and her being parents to the point where it's affective towards her apprentice. That's just... mmmmhhhh no
Ending isn't canon
@@cooldud7071 it is you can’t prove otherwise also it’s the only episode left what else it just resets and becomes a filler does that mean everything chowder thinks is what everyone future is would that be his fault
This is kinda exactly why I don't really care for janna in star vs as much as other fans, I constantly hear she's considered one of the best characters still in the show but like.....90% of her humor revolved around assaulting, stalking, stealing from and violating Marco.
And they're supposed to be friends by the end?
And then the fanbase took THAT character and decided Tom (who just got out of a toxic relationship with star) should be with them for some reason.
*shudders*
She also acted like she was absolutely baked the entire time
I wish they had left Panini’s character arch off they way the first episode ended. She lost interest in him and said they could just be friends. Then went right back to thirsting over him. It confused me as a kid.
Yeah, this show had a lot of questionable things to me as a kid and even now.
I always knew the kind of behavior Panini showed wasn't cool. And Endive is definitely part of that problem, pretty sure she taught and encouraged it.
I'm positive Maung and Endive dated for a time and she drove him away. There's no other reason why Maung is so bitter towards her and she towards him.
im betting its more like she was like panini but wasnt acertive or confident so maung never noticed when he started dating his wife so endive became better started stalking him and bullying him when previously they had been friends this explains maungs bitterness at ednvie and why he dosent seem to know her romantic intrest threw most of the show.
and why panini is the way she is as endive basically taught her to be the opposite of what she was like but extermes of either end are equally bad.
Yeah, great video. Even when watching this show, I knew that Panini was a psycho stalker, and the fact that stuff like this isn't treated with the same level of harshness as Pepe Le Pew is at best hypocritical and at worst extremely disturbing.
I had to deal with a girl like Panini in high school. Obsessed over me, chased me, would try to take photos of me, and tried stealing my car keys to solicit a kiss, which resulted in me slamming her into another car to get my keys back. TLDR I had an emotional breakdown earlier that day and she was trying to take advantage of me in a vulnerable place. She went onto make a fake facebook page in my name using one of the photos she took of me, added everyone in the school and the teachers, then proceeded to try to ruin my reputation. I informed the school of this account being fake and had the dean work with me to get it shut down by passing word among students and teachers that I was going to use my connections to track down who made it and turn them over as it was punishable by expulsion at my school. I already knew who did it, but wanted to give them the chance to delete it themselves. She did within a day and panicked when I brought it up to her. She never caught onto the fact that I preferred the company of other men for starters, and that her overall personality was toxically clingy.
I'm sorry you had to go through that...
If you called that crazy, you should watch Pucca, the girl OP and she didn't take no for a answer.
I’m VERY aware of Pucca
@@SarcasticChorus Probably a video on it (?)
@@sadvec6328 Probably not as it would just be a repeat of this one.
@@SarcasticChorusCome on it would be hilarious if you ripped that show to pieces
@@SarcasticChorus come on please we need more recognition
My mother didn't believe I was SA'd by an older girl when I was a child, in fact, she was curious on what happened and didn't take me seriously.
I am a trans man, so at the time I was perceived as a girl. If my mother weren't tolerant of subjects like homosexuality I could've been kicked out for being a "lesbian". And then when I was molested by an older boy, my mother just called us a couple and never looked deeper into it. I was way younger than the teenagers who Molested and SA'd me. And no one took me seriously. Then getting stalked by a creep at my school that wouldn't accept a no for an answer.
Watching my favorite show treat what I went through as a joke was and is just, disheartening.
That's horrible, I'm so sorry you had to deal with that, i hope your doing better ♥️
I get called a twink just because I’m a good looking, in shape, and dress and keep my hair nice shits annoying
Sexual abuse
Identifies as trans
Story checks out
@@yojimbo3856 those two have nothing to do with eachother, I just happen to be trans, and suffered abuse as a child.
I want to insult you, but I feel like your life is already sad enough that you have to say these things online to feel the illusion of superiority. A crumb of happiness.
@@yojimbo3856 You totally identify as smooth-brained
I remember an episode Panini said "I just wanted to pass laws that would legally make you my property" quite unnerving tbh 😂
It's hard to imagine that the voice of that obsessive cat-bear-bunny later became the voice of the cutest Loud sister.
Leni Loud, Liliana Mumy
@@daniapfel9673 I know.
@@bobkolterjahn4266 Oh ok but you didn't know the voiceactress name before ?
@@daniapfel9673 I knew it beforehand.
Panini: Keeps trying hook up with Chowder.
Chowder: I'm not your boyfriend.
Panini: Don't care.
Chowder: Tries to marry her one time
Panini: I need my space.
Yeah, like that confused me as kid. And when she said "but we can still be friends", I was like: Weren't *you* the one who liked *him?*
I loved Chowder as a Kid, I watched it every time a new episode dropped!
Me too man
This is a good example of how the "yandere" trope has existed in many different genres, before anime.
Judge Claude Frolo is technically one as well. The concept of any character that has an "unhealthy obsession" with someone, whether romantic or not, has been around for ages, even if it was "popularized" in anime, namely, Mirai Nikki in the last 10 years.
But it does show how people can sometimes "fetishize" a mental illness or instability, which can cause people to downplay it in real life, no matter their gender, at least usually.
Anyone would look at Judge Claude Frolo with contempt, but if the genders were swapped, then some people would say "That's so hot."
Anime's been around since 1945, and the "yandere" archetype goes back as far as at *least* Yukako Yamagishi in Jojo's Bizarre Adventure: Diamond is Unbreakable, which began in 1992, four years before Hunchback of Notre Dame.
@@Duothimir Wasn't there a story about a giant war over some girl?
@@captainrick4513 troy plus across mythology the "jilted lover" was always the most twisted monster like the greek tradgedy where a dude cheated on his wife so she consumed there children became a dragon and ate him.
there was also a LITERALLY yandere dragon in ancient japanese folk lore who fell in love and chased a monk across japan killing all in its path.
@@Duothimir I always find it funny that the Yandere was pioneered by the series where Vampires, Punching Ghost and Joseph Joestar exist
@@raheemaslam7363 NO JILTED LOVER CAN KILL JOSEPH JOESTAR!!
9:01 wtf did she just say 😳
I feel like if Chowder came out on today's age of cartoons, where every show starts as silly fun and by 3 or 4 seasons in everything gets lore deep, this relationship might have worked out, getting to see a more deep look of who Panini is and why she got love sick with Chowder and maybe she realizing that she either works on herself or the apple of her eye will eventually get a restriction order on her.
But sadly, we're not living on that timeline (maybe if Chowder ever gets a reboot, but, I'm not holding my breath on that one)
Honestly I like Chowder as it is . I love lore deep shows, but sometimes I need something like this to relax.
@@valentinkambushev4968 Yeah, that's what made Chowder great.
I'm not here for the story, I'm here to see how the writters and animators messed up the 4th wall
Kind of like the show “crazy ex girlfriend”!
@@sadvec6328 it all filler and I love it
@@ThiccFurryBoi34 Well, yeah, there wasn't an endgame
They gave this show a finale because they said "shit, we have to close the book somehow"
Chowder was always a show that creeped me out more than the other gems on Cartoon network... now I have a good reason to be weirded out.
Even more than Flapjack?
@@blaiktrout376 Flapjack is downright Lovecraftian horror for kids
Remember our favorite place, the West?
@@sadvec6328 That goddamn eyeless cat still gives me nightmares
@@almeidinha171
Some executive at CN had to see that thing and said "yeah, kids can handle it"
@@blaiktrout376 flapjack was so freaking gross to look at. People who say Klasky-Csupo animation is ugly have clearly never seen flapjack.
When I used to watch the show, this "relationship" was really uncomfortable for me. I'm surprised more people didn't feel the same way when they watched it when they were younger
I always changed the channel whenever it was Panini and Chowder episodes because even as a small child I felt the relationship with her and Chowder as extremely disturbing.
when the man is the stalker, what a horror! but when a girl does it, this is so funny!
I hate people's double standards...
This makes me think of the show Pucca. I’m some ways, it was in reverse of this. It started out as Pucca just chasing after her crush, Garu. However, they start to portray they as more friends then just a crazy stalker. Sure they still do the chase sequences. However, it never feels truly forced like with this. Especially since it’s more naive compared to intentionally forcing chowder to marry her.
Not to mention, at least sometimes in Pucca, Garu shows interest is Pucca when she isn't in her chasing-phases. There was even an episode/side feature where he is making a ring for her out of a sword (if I remember it correctly).
nagatoro is also like this she basically is a light yandere who is annoying but not outright creepy our malicious though her extreme jealousy moments are scary she never lay a hand agasint her crush.
Even as a kid, Panini's obsession with Chowder always made me cringe. Having a crush on someone is one thing, but having someone constantly flirt with you while invading your space? That's just straight up creepy!
The one aspect I don't understand about Pepe being "cancelled" is his behavior is never rewarded. When you watch his cartoons, you know he's never gonna get the girl. Having a finale where Chowder and Panini end up together sends a signal that her behavior is rewarded.
@Luna zoe Even so, Chowder is led to believe he *has* to give in because she'll breakdown otherwise. That's borderline victim shaming.