I've seen a handful of his videos and honestly, how does anyone take him seriously as a music critic? Hearing him speak about music indicates to me that he doesn't actually know much about music history, techniques, production, or even music theory. Does he even play an instrument or know anything about sound engineering or recording? I doubt it. He doesn't describe the music he reviews with appropriate terminology. It's like he's trying to explain to a 5 year old what he think about a particular album, in a way the child can understand him. But I guess that is the appeal for his fans. He speaks in terms a casual music fan can understand. He caters to the lowest common denominator with phrases like "change ups" and "savage as f**k." When trying to present oneself as a music critic, this is extremely bad form. Why anyone takes him seriously and respects his opinions is beyond me. He rated this album and Sturgill Simpson's new album low. Sturgill Simpson is pushing the boundaries in country music. He elevates country to avant-garde experimental status. He is to country what Radiohead and Björk are to rock and pop. For him not to see that and appreciate that, further indicates to me his lack of knowledge in music.
@@dilbophagginz😅 I've seen a handful of your words and honestly, how does anyone take you seriously as a commentator? Seeing your short and tame reply to my comment indicates to me that you don't actually know much about the internet, nor its users. Do you know that the comment section isn't for the easily offended? Apparently not!✌😆✌
I'm pretty sure he loves Deftones. Every music nerd does. This is a really strong album, but the Deftones influence is too derivative. These guys are still finding their sound and the best is yet to come.
@@DJ_Melech "Two decades into their career, famed alternative metal band Deftones remind me why I've never really been a Deftones fan." is the actual description from his Gore video
This is one the best heavy albums I’ve heard in a while. 6 is a little too low just because it has a Deftones influence. As an album as a whole, it’s pretty unique comparatively to anything else.
WhiteLocust Anthony tends to give an album a 6 whenever there are some influences and, at the same time, it is not a band that he was particularly familiar with / fond of in the first place. Those two things combined lead to an automatic 6 most of the times. It's my main problem with his reviews. Personally, i think giving it a 6 is kind of a "safe" move, 6 is going to be somewhat ok, no matter how good or bad the record actually is.
I don’t think the low score was purely due to the Deftones influence, Anthony acknowledged that they’re an important and seminal band. I think it was more how on the nose the application of that influence was on the album. Like Two Way Mirror is a fantastic song, but if you didn’t tell me I’d probably think it was Deftones 🤷♂️
I've seen a handful of his videos and honestly, how does anyone take him seriously as a music critic? Hearing him speak about music indicates to me that he doesn't actually know much about music history, techniques, production, or even music theory. Does he even play an instrument or know anything about sound engineering or recording? I doubt it. He doesn't describe the music he reviews with appropriate terminology. It's like he's trying to explain to a 5 year old what he think about a particular album, in a way the child can understand him. But I guess that is the appeal for his fans. He speaks in terms a casual music fan can understand. He caters to the lowest common denominator with phrases like "change ups" and "savage as f**k." When trying to present oneself as a music critic, this is extremely bad form. Why anyone takes him seriously and respects his opinions is beyond me. He rated this album and Sturgill Simpson's new album low. Sturgill Simpson is pushing the boundaries in country music. He elevates country to avant-garde experimental status. He is to country what Radiohead and Björk are to rock and pop. For him not to see that and appreciate that, further indicates to me his lack of knowledge in music.
6 is not rough, it's like a "meh" and I am glad with it :) Normally none of the metalcore albums get this much attention so that alone makes me glad he reviewed it, I agree with most of his points here, it does sound like deftones but on steroids and I like it XD
I easily give it a 10/10. So many influences in one record. I hear Deftones, Slipknot, My Bloody Valentine, Nine Inch Nails, Bring Me the Horizon, and more in this album. I actually haven't heard another band that sounds like this in the last couple years. All the other metal bands sound like generic modern tough guy music with the same guitar tone, triggered drums, and boring gutturals. I'd have no problem if bands started sounding more like this as opposed to what's big in metal right now.
"All the other metal bands sound like generic modern tough guy music" - is Loathe the first and only metal band you've listened to? It's a great choice, but c'mon..
I really want Tony to review Intronaut album but I have a feeling that he’s gonna just say it’s meh because it’s too meticulous and sedated or something
Oh no someone drew inspiration from a popular artist. That 100% devalues their art. This is one of the most cohesive and refreshing hard albums to come out in a while. Solid 9/10
In that case I Must check this out. Saw Car Bomb last year and it was phenomenal, and still waiting to catch Deftones at some point - hopefully sooner then later...
Personally really dig the Deftones influence on this record, even if it is on the nose. That doesn't feel like it takes away from the record for me, even if it is obvious.
@@JacobPadlock Hey man, that's totally fair. I can see how it would just be too distracting for some. For me, I really like the fact that they've kind of grabbed at that Deftones' style because I think they do it justice in a way that only Deftones could've otherwise, and while it's not just on the sleeve - it's kind of the whole shirt - it's executed to a degree that really keeps me invested and the sound is pretty tight overall too. The differences between this album and say, any Deftones record is big enough that I still felt like it was its own thing and not just a Deftones cover album, also. It just works very well for me and I'm a fan of this heavy influence, but that's just my opinion. I totally get and respect why it wouldn't work for you.
I knew this was coming, based off Fantano’s tastes, but it’s still such a joke. This album is absolutely incredible. At least he’s giving them a bit of publicity. I bet you he will give the new Code Orange record at least an 8 no matter what they put out, tho.
Why does he like Code Orange so much? It makes no sense. It's like he hyped them up and now he has to keep up the charade. This Loathe record is easily better than the new Code Orange, but he'll definitely give Code Orange a higher score.
@@mmus321 I think he might know them? Or maybe what you said. Either way, he just keeps up the charade because they are liked and because they are so "experimental". I love Fantano and all but that's all he cares about. MOST of the time it seems, if a band puts out even their best record by far, a masterpiece.. If it sounds like their other records then he knocks off like 3 points right there no matter what. There's exceptions like Judas Priest - Firepower but yeah. Also, I mean.. The guy doesn't like Deftones. Deftones. So.. I kinda just stopped even remotely paying attention to his opinions on anything rock/metal or prog. He holds prog in open contempt, basically, and seems to think all rock music is inherently dated if there aren't electronic elements or some other heavily experimental factor.
@@arsonne it's just his opinion after all and he is being consistent on what he likes about an album, which is, pretty often, the experimental factor. Which... Being him, makes complete sense! He listens music ALL the time! When he listens to artists that try to reinvent the wheel and execute it well, it's obvious that they are going to stand out to him more.
Imagine being so offended by one dude's opinion that you have to make up weird theories to justify it in your mind. He liked the Code Orange album better, simple as that. Get over it.
As a huge deftones fan, I really don’t understand why people can’t see past the comparison when talking about loathe. I have never found another band that sounds like loathe; I’ve found a few bands that sound like deftones. There is influence there, no doubt, but the sound of this album is absolutely unique. Besides, all bands are influenced by other bands, that’s how things go. It would be like listening to a modern shoegaze band and going “hmm, sounds like mbv.” Like yes, of course it does. Deftones is an influential band, but that doesn’t mean hints of deftones make a new sound uninspired
I personally loved this record a whole lot. The heaviness was exactly what I needed in music right now, and while I did find the softer passages to be very derivative of deftones, it didn't take me out of it as much tbh. This is probably my favorite metalcore record of the year so far.
I've seen a handful of his videos and honestly, how does anyone take him seriously as a music critic? Hearing him speak about music indicates to me that he doesn't actually know much about music history, techniques, production, or even music theory. Does he even play an instrument or know anything about sound engineering or recording? I doubt it. He doesn't describe the music he reviews with appropriate terminology. It's like he's trying to explain to a 5 year old what he think about a particular album, in a way the child can understand him. But I guess that is the appeal for his fans. He speaks in terms a casual music fan can understand. He caters to the lowest common denominator with phrases like "change ups" and "savage as f**k." When trying to present oneself as a music critic, this is extremely bad form. Why anyone takes him seriously and respects his opinions is beyond me. He rated this album and Sturgill Simpson's new album low. Sturgill Simpson is pushing the boundaries in country music. He elevates country to avant-garde experimental status. He is to country what Radiohead and Björk are to rock and pop. For him not to see that and appreciate that, further indicates to me his lack of knowledge in music.
@@11cylynt11 clearly you don't know him well because he plays instruments, has had "phases" of being into multiple genres including extreme metal; he knows what he's talking about. getting so mad over a simple difference in opinion over an album that you've written three paragraphs bitching about it makes you look ridiculous.
Personally this is one of the best albums of the year for me. Loathe are one of the more unique sounding bands out there and the fact they basically recprded this album a year ago and then startrd over again says is a good thing. Im fine with them sounding like Deftones in fact those songs are some of my favourites but i still know it's Loathe
I've seen a handful of his videos and honestly, how does anyone take him seriously as a music critic? Hearing him speak about music indicates to me that he doesn't actually know much about music history, techniques, production, or even music theory. Does he even play an instrument or know anything about sound engineering or recording? I doubt it. He doesn't describe the music he reviews with appropriate terminology. It's like he's trying to explain to a 5 year old what he think about a particular album, in a way the child can understand him. But I guess that is the appeal for his fans. He speaks in terms a casual music fan can understand. He caters to the lowest common denominator with phrases like "change ups" and "savage as f**k." When trying to present oneself as a music critic, this is extremely bad form. Why anyone takes him seriously and respects his opinions is beyond me. He rated this album and Sturgill Simpson's new album low. Sturgill Simpson is pushing the boundaries in country music. He elevates country to avant-garde experimental status. He is to country what Radiohead and Björk are to rock and pop. For him not to see that and appreciate that, further indicates to me his lack of knowledge in music.
@@11cylynt11 one can appreciate music and be good at describing it even without having a rich "technical" vocabulary or background. My issue with Fantano is people think he is the fuckin Jesus Christ of music critics even though, he even says himself, his is just an opinion. Also he is very, VERY biased with certain things. Like, if anyone gets inspiration from a band or artist he doesn't like, it's automatically a low score review. I loved both this album(even though I do strongly prefer Loathe's sophomore)and Underneath by Code Orange, Melon has his opinion I have mine. It's all good.
influentialdetour YES YES! That song showed up on my Spotify playlist and I was hooked. Played it for hours. I went to their page to find more songs like this and was kinda shocked to hear all the heavy metal and screaming. Still good tho, just not my thing. All the shoegaze stuff is really nice though
Tk Bandele Yeah wish more bands would combine shoegaze with heavy distortion. I like shoegaze in general but there is nothing innovative of only using heavy reverb and delay. I like the “Is it really you” track as well.
As someone who has never listened to Deftones, this is the freshest thing I’ve heard in metalcore in a long time. Probably album of the year along with Polaris so far.
Terry Crews That’s not progressive metal; progressive metal usually has long song times and usually is more technical in regards to time signatures and playing. Don’t get me wrong, I like the album, but it’s definitely not Prog Metal. Just cause it’s polystylist doesn’t mean it’s Prog.
I disagree Anthony. I see your point about the Deftones influence but I feel like they give it a breath of fresh air with mixing it with post hardcore and their own style of metalcore. An example being Screaming, is probably one of the most unique songs I have heard in years and it really resonated with me because of the chords they used and how it just feels like a new style of shoegaze. When I first heard the song it absolutely blew me away with how they wrote a song that was about 6 minutes long and I didn't get bored at all.
Thought you’d never review something like this, and was pleasantly surprised by the notification. One of my top albums this year so far (fan since they collabed with Holding Absence, my favorite band)
I still think Anthony gave way too much credit to deftones in this video and didn't recognize any originality made by Loathe, which i think is really lazy. There's really only a few songs at most that have a bit of inspiration from Deftones but the rest on this album is all original from Loathe. I think this is one of their best albums.
EVEN THO ITS A LOWER SCORE THAN I HOPED FOR IM REALLY GLAD THAT YOU'RE LOOKING MORE INTO THE PROGRESSIVE METAL SCENE I LOVE THESE GUYS AND CANT WAIT FOR THEIR FUTURE :D
I thought this album was so dark and romantic. metalcore can be so fucking lame but this skirted that melodramatic teenage twinkle in such a nice way I think. also the slow parts sound like Silent Hill so thats nice.
Always thought they had that Silent Hill (and even obscure Indie Horror in general) vibes to their atmosphere. I'd also recommend Nemertines for similar elements =O
Just because it sounds too close doesnt mean they intended it to be an exact copy ya know. It’s only in a few songs anywho, shitty to call it a rip off. Screaming or Aggressive Evolution or even New Faces do not sound anything derivative lol
Loathe are an excellent band, personally they don't do too much for me but I do like them. They're a breathe of fresh air to the whole metalcore scene though, there's a lot of new and great talent there. Not necessarily brand new and never before heard stuff being done, but just flat out great music. Love that someone of your caliber is highlighting a scene of music I love so much.
Deftones has been one of my favorite bands for decades. Loathe is the first band I've heard exhibit a strong Deftones influence, while clearly surpassing Deftones in writing ability. Aside from Two Way Mirror, every Deftones inspired track on this album is better than the vast majority of newer Deftones material. Furthermore, their style, groove, bass and guitar tone, genre ambiguity and HEAVINESS puts them solidly in their own lane. They're better than most metalcore bands to come out in the last decade, and superior to a Code Orange in terms of musicianship and song variety. Loathe is amazing, period.
Exactly what I was thinking as I was listening to this record. The Deftones parts are done better than Deftones, and the metalcore parts are done exceptionally well, too. I love metalcore, and I believe, alongside deathcore, that it’s made a huge comeback. It got stale throughout the 2010s, but as of the past three or so years, the whole ‘core’ scene has definitely produced some incredible music. Loathe is no exception, and if anyone wishes to exclude them from the core scene, it’s one of the best metal albums in general as of late.
Despite only getting a 6, it sounded like something I might enjoy so I checked it out, and I fucking love it. Thanks for reviewing this Melon. Just goes to show that a review doesn't need to be an 8-10/10 in order to for people to check it out and become new fans.
The thing that bothers me about this review isn't that it got a 6/10, taste is taste, and above average is still good. But the reason is a little ridiculous. Now, ILIIAITE is Deftones-influenced a bit, as Kadeem said he was a big fan of Diamond Eyes which inspired some of the record, but I don't think it's overbearing to the point where it's a Deftones rip-off. In fact I think Loathe are the exact opposite of the same coin that Deftones is on. Deftones is usually rather very seductive, lovesick, or ethereal sounding, and their heavy parts are angry. Loathe takes the dreaminess of Deftones and flips it on its head to wear this depressive and bleak sound with downright disgusting heavy parts (I'd say more comparable to Glass Cloud than Deftones, but that's a whole new argument.) The album may not have existed in the same form without Deftones, but the two bands are each in opposite corners of the same room, doing their own thing whilst respecting each other's similarities.
Deftones has been around for 30 years. I think it's ok to use it as a base now lol. You give rappers that rip off shit from the early 2000's higher scores.
Seriously, this record is delicious. I probably had it on replay for 2 weeks. Every single time a song pops up on my playlist, I get trapped in the loop of listening to the album over and over. I can't put into words how excited I am to see them live in my city soon.
@@BigBoyz33 White Pony is a great start reference. But to be fair, you can go wrong with Deftones, it's one of those bands with no bad albums at all, impecable discography, from Adrenaline (and even before with Like Linus) to Gore.
Since this album has released, I've been non stop spinning it. I like the influence of Deftones a lot. I love them anyway, but when you take that sound and incorporate it into some super heavy, sluggy, metalcore, or some could even argue beatdown, riffs, you get this incredible sound. Despite the heavy influence, I think the band does good to take it into their own sound. Never would you ever hear a Deftones song sound like Screaming. The super dropped tune grooves in that song mixed with the catchy, floaty chorus is so unique and beautiful.
Loathe's sound is definitely it's own beast. Yeah, they draw influences from Deftones, but every time people say that Loathe's sound is "derivative" I ask myself if we listened to the same song. It's so lazy and unfair to write them off as Deftones copies, they have so much more to offer.
Gotta say that while reviews are just your opinion, I do feel like this record way outstrips the 6 you give it, I’m feeling a light to strong 9 on this one.
Personally I feel like this album is one of the more unique albums i've heard in the last 6 or so years. Yes the Deftones influences are there, but I really like the spin they have put on the deftones sound. The mix mash of different styles of rock on this album are something that isn't really seen in metal these days with most albums just sounding like one long song, and I feel they handled it very well. Whoever mixed and mastered this album also did a fantastic job. I'd personally put it in the 8 - 9 range. Great review man!
THANK YOU for reviewing this. Hadn’t heard of these guys and this is right up my alley! Also does anyone else feel the album cover is reminiscent of the early 2000’s where the metallic hardcore sound was born?
the review is spot on, but I have to say this album & band hits every right spot for me. It's sonically everything I didn't know I needed in my life right now.
I reckon it's one of the best albums I've found in a while even tho it's very much deftones inspired I ain't complaining cause I'll take more deftones any day
I recognize the deftnones influences but I feel like their sound is SUPER different to the deftones sound. Erik and Stephan's playing styles are so different imo that its hard to say that one sounds like the other. 10/10 album for sure
yo holy shit. Loathe is on The Needle Drop. this album deserves so much attention and support and I’m so stoked that it has so far. shoutout the Loathe boys.
I've been digging this album a ton, made me go back and listen to "White Pony", "Adrenaline" and others. I see what you mean about derivative sound but if it gets kids interested in Deftones, Dillinger Escape or others then that's pretty cool.
It’s been two years and I admit there was a time where I cherrypicked what I liked from this album and overall agreed with this review but… All this time later, not only has the album grown on me, I can’t get enough of it. And I love the reimagined versions of Is It Really You? they keep doing with other great acts like Teenage Wrist, etc.
feel like this album is a personal one. you either instantly are glued to it or instantly forget it. Being at the album release show and seeing these songs live straight after hearing the album made this album a 9 for me, and i still haven't come down from that hype yet. maybe in a few months i might lower my score but as of right now this is my favourite album of 2020 personally. i do understand all the 'criticism' around the deftones'y sound but that isn't something i really care about when i'm listening to it.
This is what happens when you let a Melon in. He takes everything and gives you a 6/10.
I've seen a handful of his videos and honestly, how does anyone take him seriously as a music critic? Hearing him speak about music indicates to me that he doesn't actually know much about music history, techniques, production, or even music theory. Does he even play an instrument or know anything about sound engineering or recording? I doubt it. He doesn't describe the music he reviews with appropriate terminology. It's like he's trying to explain to a 5 year old what he think about a particular album, in a way the child can understand him.
But I guess that is the appeal for his fans. He speaks in terms a casual music fan can understand. He caters to the lowest common denominator with phrases like "change ups" and "savage as f**k." When trying to present oneself as a music critic, this is extremely bad form.
Why anyone takes him seriously and respects his opinions is beyond me. He rated this album and Sturgill Simpson's new album low. Sturgill Simpson is pushing the boundaries in country music. He elevates country to avant-garde experimental status. He is to country what Radiohead and Björk are to rock and pop. For him not to see that and appreciate that, further indicates to me his lack of knowledge in music.
@@11cylynt11 go back to reddit
@@dilbophagginz😅 I've seen a handful of your words and honestly, how does anyone take you seriously as a commentator? Seeing your short and tame reply to my comment indicates to me that you don't actually know much about the internet, nor its users. Do you know that the comment section isn't for the easily offended? Apparently not!✌😆✌
Can you go tell that to people who shit on verified accounts
@@11cylynt11 go back to reddit.
As a metal/rock fan. This album is a 10/10
edit: went from 9 to 10
Just barely checked it out for the first time, i a g r e e. It’s fantastic. A 6 is still solid but I disagree with the melon
As a metalhead for over a decade. This album is a 9.7/10. Needed more songs on the album.
Solid 10/10.
excuse my curiosity, but what would be a 10/10 to you?
holy shit!! Aaron and Jo!! I've seen y'alls Deftones shirts so liking this album would make sense lol
ughhhhh..... we get it you dont like Deftones. This album is incredible
I'm pretty sure he loves Deftones. Every music nerd does. This is a really strong album, but the Deftones influence is too derivative. These guys are still finding their sound and the best is yet to come.
@@DJ_Melech "Two decades into their career, famed alternative metal band Deftones remind me why I've never really been a Deftones fan." is the actual description from his Gore video
@@truaxegaming4653 ha! Ok you got me! I agree with his review but have lost respect for him now that I know he doesn't like Deftones!
TruAxe MTG tho he he does love White Pony, of course. He described it as their “one amazing album” but he hasn’t liked the newer albums as much
@@truaxegaming4653 He has explained in the past he loves White Pony and Saturday Night Wrist
This is one the best heavy albums I’ve heard in a while. 6 is a little too low just because it has a Deftones influence. As an album as a whole, it’s pretty unique comparatively to anything else.
WhiteLocust Anthony tends to give an album a 6 whenever there are some influences and, at the same time, it is not a band that he was particularly familiar with / fond of in the first place. Those two things combined lead to an automatic 6 most of the times. It's my main problem with his reviews. Personally, i think giving it a 6 is kind of a "safe" move, 6 is going to be somewhat ok, no matter how good or bad the record actually is.
I don’t think the low score was purely due to the Deftones influence, Anthony acknowledged that they’re an important and seminal band. I think it was more how on the nose the application of that influence was on the album. Like Two Way Mirror is a fantastic song, but if you didn’t tell me I’d probably think it was Deftones 🤷♂️
That's Fantano for you. That being said, this is one of my favorite records this year so far.
he did give mbdtf a 6
I've seen a handful of his videos and honestly, how does anyone take him seriously as a music critic? Hearing him speak about music indicates to me that he doesn't actually know much about music history, techniques, production, or even music theory. Does he even play an instrument or know anything about sound engineering or recording? I doubt it. He doesn't describe the music he reviews with appropriate terminology. It's like he's trying to explain to a 5 year old what he think about a particular album, in a way the child can understand him.
But I guess that is the appeal for his fans. He speaks in terms a casual music fan can understand. He caters to the lowest common denominator with phrases like "change ups" and "savage as f**k." When trying to present oneself as a music critic, this is extremely bad form.
Why anyone takes him seriously and respects his opinions is beyond me. He rated this album and Sturgill Simpson's new album low. Sturgill Simpson is pushing the boundaries in country music. He elevates country to avant-garde experimental status. He is to country what Radiohead and Björk are to rock and pop. For him not to see that and appreciate that, further indicates to me his lack of knowledge in music.
Was not expecting you to be so rough on this album. I loved it. Could not stop listening
I feel like if they ditched all of the Deftones influence and the record was purely hardcore-influenced metalcore, he would’ve given it an 8.
@@nvck9297 so their first album?
EggCore Pretty much.
6 is not rough, it's like a "meh" and I am glad with it :)
Normally none of the metalcore albums get this much attention so that alone makes me glad he reviewed it, I agree with most of his points here, it does sound like deftones but on steroids and I like it XD
@@saito2582 its not even a meh, its actually positive by his standard. 0-4 is negative, 5 is neutral, 6-10 is positive
I easily give it a 10/10. So many influences in one record. I hear Deftones, Slipknot, My Bloody Valentine, Nine Inch Nails, Bring Me the Horizon, and more in this album. I actually haven't heard another band that sounds like this in the last couple years. All the other metal bands sound like generic modern tough guy music with the same guitar tone, triggered drums, and boring gutturals. I'd have no problem if bands started sounding more like this as opposed to what's big in metal right now.
They’re def influenced by NIN considering the instrumental album they released this year. Similar to the way NIN had the ghosts LPs
"All the other metal bands sound like generic modern tough guy music" - is Loathe the first and only metal band you've listened to? It's a great choice, but c'mon..
I’m just glad he reviewed this band
SPOONNOISE I see you like Intronaut as well 👀
Jake Moran definitely, amazing album
I really want Tony to review Intronaut album but I have a feeling that he’s gonna just say it’s meh because it’s too meticulous and sedated or something
Good exposure for the boys
SPOONNOISE unfortunately, Melon seems to have few positive opinions about any metal that isn’t Death Metal
This albums title is a perfect metaphor for Anthony’s opinions on me
Anthony's opinion on you is 6/10?
NumbNuts I believe OP meant it’s a metaphor to how fantanie’s opinion affects OP
hell man 5 says the person who was watching a needle drop video
hell man 5 lmao the guy that made that super bad incel Scott pilgrim song?? okay
hell man 5 pretty stupid thing to agree with honestly
Chino tweeted about this band. Annnd, if you get the nod from the man himself, you’re golden. Take that, baldie. 🤪
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B A L D I E
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sorry, the name "baldy" is for @KrazyRabb1t and no one else.
But we obviously trust Baldie's opinion more than Chino's though. /s
Oh no someone drew inspiration from a popular artist. That 100% devalues their art. This is one of the most cohesive and refreshing hard albums to come out in a while. Solid 9/10
Didn’t expect this record here. Been listening to it a lot lately, it’s Deftones meets Car Bomb
In that case I Must check this out.
Saw Car Bomb last year and it was phenomenal, and still waiting to catch Deftones at some point - hopefully sooner then later...
@Diego Sebastian You may want to check if Car Bomb is cancelled
@@moonflow5133 yep, cancelled some few hours after my comment. Very sad but understandable!
Car Bomb is the shit
Car bomb is already car bomb meets deftones
Two-way mirror is a masterpiece.
REAL
I know you commented this two years ago but your comment is still true to this day
yup, still holds up
Personally really dig the Deftones influence on this record, even if it is on the nose. That doesn't feel like it takes away from the record for me, even if it is obvious.
Agree brother, also helps that Deftones slap!
I just couldn't get past it. It was so painfully distracting.
Agreed 100%
@@JacobPadlock Hey man, that's totally fair. I can see how it would just be too distracting for some. For me, I really like the fact that they've kind of grabbed at that Deftones' style because I think they do it justice in a way that only Deftones could've otherwise, and while it's not just on the sleeve - it's kind of the whole shirt - it's executed to a degree that really keeps me invested and the sound is pretty tight overall too. The differences between this album and say, any Deftones record is big enough that I still felt like it was its own thing and not just a Deftones cover album, also.
It just works very well for me and I'm a fan of this heavy influence, but that's just my opinion. I totally get and respect why it wouldn't work for you.
@@grantfullick Hell yeah they do, one of my favorite bands of all time so it really helps out in that department, even if I am biased haha.
I knew this was coming, based off Fantano’s tastes, but it’s still such a joke. This album is absolutely incredible. At least he’s giving them a bit of publicity. I bet you he will give the new Code Orange record at least an 8 no matter what they put out, tho.
Why does he like Code Orange so much? It makes no sense. It's like he hyped them up and now he has to keep up the charade. This Loathe record is easily better than the new Code Orange, but he'll definitely give Code Orange a higher score.
@@mmus321 I think he might know them? Or maybe what you said. Either way, he just keeps up the charade because they are liked and because they are so "experimental". I love Fantano and all but that's all he cares about. MOST of the time it seems, if a band puts out even their best record by far, a masterpiece.. If it sounds like their other records then he knocks off like 3 points right there no matter what. There's exceptions like Judas Priest - Firepower but yeah. Also, I mean.. The guy doesn't like Deftones. Deftones. So.. I kinda just stopped even remotely paying attention to his opinions on anything rock/metal or prog. He holds prog in open contempt, basically, and seems to think all rock music is inherently dated if there aren't electronic elements or some other heavily experimental factor.
He gave it an 8 hahaha
@@arsonne it's just his opinion after all and he is being consistent on what he likes about an album, which is, pretty often, the experimental factor. Which... Being him, makes complete sense! He listens music ALL the time! When he listens to artists that try to reinvent the wheel and execute it well, it's obvious that they are going to stand out to him more.
Imagine being so offended by one dude's opinion that you have to make up weird theories to justify it in your mind. He liked the Code Orange album better, simple as that. Get over it.
Very proud a band from my hometown are getting themselves out there.
Big up Liverpool
Scouse gang
@Ree Rah yanno tha
@@Samstonednb ar ay i was gonna reply with that 😂
Is right
As a huge deftones fan, I really don’t understand why people can’t see past the comparison when talking about loathe. I have never found another band that sounds like loathe; I’ve found a few bands that sound like deftones. There is influence there, no doubt, but the sound of this album is absolutely unique. Besides, all bands are influenced by other bands, that’s how things go. It would be like listening to a modern shoegaze band and going “hmm, sounds like mbv.” Like yes, of course it does. Deftones is an influential band, but that doesn’t mean hints of deftones make a new sound uninspired
I personally loved this record a whole lot. The heaviness was exactly what I needed in music right now, and while I did find the softer passages to be very derivative of deftones, it didn't take me out of it as much tbh. This is probably my favorite metalcore record of the year so far.
Metal album: (exists)
Melon: 6/10
Poppy killed all metal
hip hop/ art pop album: exists
Melon: is this a fucking masterpiece?!
He gave code orange a yellow flannel
Maybe its because the album is a rip off of someone elses sound?
I've seen a handful of his videos and honestly, how does anyone take him seriously as a music critic? Hearing him speak about music indicates to me that he doesn't actually know much about music history, techniques, production, or even music theory. Does he even play an instrument or know anything about sound engineering or recording? I doubt it. He doesn't describe the music he reviews with appropriate terminology. It's like he's trying to explain to a 5 year old what he think about a particular album, in a way the child can understand him.
But I guess that is the appeal for his fans. He speaks in terms a casual music fan can understand. He caters to the lowest common denominator with phrases like "change ups" and "savage as f**k." When trying to present oneself as a music critic, this is extremely bad form.
Why anyone takes him seriously and respects his opinions is beyond me. He rated this album and Sturgill Simpson's new album low. Sturgill Simpson is pushing the boundaries in country music. He elevates country to avant-garde experimental status. He is to country what Radiohead and Björk are to rock and pop. For him not to see that and appreciate that, further indicates to me his lack of knowledge in music.
@@11cylynt11 clearly you don't know him well because he plays instruments, has had "phases" of being into multiple genres including extreme metal; he knows what he's talking about. getting so mad over a simple difference in opinion over an album that you've written three paragraphs bitching about it makes you look ridiculous.
Personally this is one of the best albums of the year for me. Loathe are one of the more unique sounding bands out there and the fact they basically recprded this album a year ago and then startrd over again says is a good thing. Im fine with them sounding like Deftones in fact those songs are some of my favourites but i still know it's Loathe
Anthony sure loves giving metalcore bands 6's. (Excluding Code Orange, of course.)
I Am King and Love is Love were 6's too ya know
I would love to see him doing a review of a Kublai Khan TX or Varials
He's clearly not a bowler
Excluding Converge too. Also, I don't get the hype for CO. Really dislike the new album.
@@jasonlovesmusicreacting882 they've always came off as try hard
You liked Code Orange but gave this a 6? Bruh get some taste.
I love both records but I definitely prefer this one.
I liked this album more than Underneath. The atmosphere just gets me going
Much better record that Underneath, more nuanced, more varied, more subtle.
I've seen a handful of his videos and honestly, how does anyone take him seriously as a music critic? Hearing him speak about music indicates to me that he doesn't actually know much about music history, techniques, production, or even music theory. Does he even play an instrument or know anything about sound engineering or recording? I doubt it. He doesn't describe the music he reviews with appropriate terminology. It's like he's trying to explain to a 5 year old what he think about a particular album, in a way the child can understand him.
But I guess that is the appeal for his fans. He speaks in terms a casual music fan can understand. He caters to the lowest common denominator with phrases like "change ups" and "savage as f**k." When trying to present oneself as a music critic, this is extremely bad form.
Why anyone takes him seriously and respects his opinions is beyond me. He rated this album and Sturgill Simpson's new album low. Sturgill Simpson is pushing the boundaries in country music. He elevates country to avant-garde experimental status. He is to country what Radiohead and Björk are to rock and pop. For him not to see that and appreciate that, further indicates to me his lack of knowledge in music.
@@11cylynt11 one can appreciate music and be good at describing it even without having a rich "technical" vocabulary or background. My issue with Fantano is people think he is the fuckin Jesus Christ of music critics even though, he even says himself, his is just an opinion.
Also he is very, VERY biased with certain things. Like, if anyone gets inspiration from a band or artist he doesn't like, it's automatically a low score review. I loved both this album(even though I do strongly prefer Loathe's sophomore)and Underneath by Code Orange, Melon has his opinion I have mine. It's all good.
Anthony covering deftones: yo fuck deftones
Anthony listening to Loathe: this is deftones, I also enjoyed it.
I'm okay with the Deftones influence as I've just accepted that Deftones will never drop their new album.
I still cant believe he gave it a meager 6, wtf
Deftones are working on a new album dude. Check their Instagram
@@icthe2nd584 yeah just that they said it would drop 2019
Yeah the "Deftones songs" are my favs of this album. Maybe I should just go back and listen to more Deftones instead.
@@sonicstage1 Nah man they just said that it should come by the end of 2020
Just remember folks:
"One man's 6 is another man's 9"
Everybody elses 9 is melon’s 6
is it really you? is the best track, wish they’d lean towards more shoegaze influence
influentialdetour YES YES! That song showed up on my Spotify playlist and I was hooked. Played it for hours. I went to their page to find more songs like this and was kinda shocked to hear all the heavy metal and screaming. Still good tho, just not my thing. All the shoegaze stuff is really nice though
Tk Bandele
Yeah wish more bands would combine shoegaze with heavy distortion. I like shoegaze in general but there is nothing innovative of only using heavy reverb and delay. I like the “Is it really you” track as well.
this song got me in my feels
Shoegaze. 🤦🏻♂️ What’s next. Feathergun?
I was really surprised, but this is my favorite track as well. Was not expecting it as I came into album looking for heavy.
Just stop reviewing rock albums.
As someone who has never listened to Deftones, this is the freshest thing I’ve heard in metalcore in a long time. Probably album of the year along with Polaris so far.
Take a look at the same engineer's late 2019 release "Sundowning" by Sleep Token my dude.
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I love that album, but Anthony will for sure hate it. It's not his style!
Sleep Token ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
wait WHAT
you’re telling me the production on Sundowning and ILIIAITE was by the same person????
@@TorqueBow this is a wild revelation. two insane albums
9/10 for me. First album that really blew me away in a while.
Could you just please stop hating deftones
LOW SCORE BUT WE’LL TAKE IT!!!! Hope he gives more progressive metal a chance.
6 is not low ya dummy
Anthony prefers conservative metal confirmed
Terry Crews this isn’t progressive metal
NutsTesticles idk an album blending metalcore, shoegaze, and even black metal seems pretty progressive.
Terry Crews That’s not progressive metal; progressive metal usually has long song times and usually is more technical in regards to time signatures and playing. Don’t get me wrong, I like the album, but it’s definitely not Prog Metal. Just cause it’s polystylist doesn’t mean it’s Prog.
I disagree Anthony. I see your point about the Deftones influence but I feel like they give it a breath of fresh air with mixing it with post hardcore and their own style of metalcore. An example being Screaming, is probably one of the most unique songs I have heard in years and it really resonated with me because of the chords they used and how it just feels like a new style of shoegaze. When I first heard the song it absolutely blew me away with how they wrote a song that was about 6 minutes long and I didn't get bored at all.
I don't know why you've always been miles off metal reviews, album is an absolute masterpiece and I knew it the first time I listened to it
Code Orange’s new album drops tomorrow night :)
Right
I'll actually be trying to get out my review fairly early on Friday! It's definitely one of my most anticipated releases!
I'm feeling a strong 8 to a light 9.
they got the best deftones imitation sound i’ve ever heard. this shit is fire
I think the parts that ‘sound like’ deftones are pulled off better than deftones themselves and their own style mixed in is sick. At least 8/10
Thought you’d never review something like this, and was pleasantly surprised by the notification. One of my top albums this year so far (fan since they collabed with Holding Absence, my favorite band)
I still think Anthony gave way too much credit to deftones in this video and didn't recognize any originality made by Loathe, which i think is really lazy. There's really only a few songs at most that have a bit of inspiration from Deftones but the rest on this album is all original from Loathe. I think this is one of their best albums.
EVEN THO ITS A LOWER SCORE THAN I HOPED FOR IM REALLY GLAD THAT YOU'RE LOOKING MORE INTO THE PROGRESSIVE METAL SCENE I LOVE THESE GUYS AND CANT WAIT FOR THEIR FUTURE :D
I thought this album was so dark and romantic. metalcore can be so fucking lame but this skirted that melodramatic teenage twinkle in such a nice way I think. also the slow parts sound like Silent Hill so thats nice.
Kitty Cat I love the inclusion of romantic in your comment. I hadn't really thought of it but it does have that wavy, floaty romantic feel
I thought that too! They confirmed that Silent Hill was indeed an influence both musically and visually in an interview i read.
Always thought they had that Silent Hill (and even obscure Indie Horror in general) vibes to their atmosphere. I'd also recommend Nemertines for similar elements =O
Silent Hill comparison is spot on.
The dark ambient passage in New Faces in the Dark makes my skin crawl.
Spot on!
This man really just compared them to Dillinger then followed it with djent. Yeah I'm out LMFAO
@@Swagprince69 ?
Just because it sounds too close doesnt mean they intended it to be an exact copy ya know. It’s only in a few songs anywho, shitty to call it a rip off. Screaming or Aggressive Evolution or even New Faces do not sound anything derivative lol
Loathe are an excellent band, personally they don't do too much for me but I do like them. They're a breathe of fresh air to the whole metalcore scene though, there's a lot of new and great talent there. Not necessarily brand new and never before heard stuff being done, but just flat out great music. Love that someone of your caliber is highlighting a scene of music I love so much.
Wouldn't call them metalcore
@@Dracula_sb new album not so much but their previous releases have been on the Prog Metalcore side
Metalgaze?
I’m pooping rn.
Bro same
Same bro gg
Hemorrhoids
Same bro im eating at the family reunion table rn 🤠🤠🤠😄😄😄
Me too! What a coincidence.
This album describes my wife pretty well: “I let it in and it took everything.”
He’ll yeah brother ! Amen
Boomer joooooooke
TOTALY BLESSED AAAAAAAAA LOVE U FANTANO
Edit: forget what I said
People fail to understand that a 6/10 from Fantano is a really good rating
Been a metalhead since my teens and im 40 now and this is one of my favorite albums I ever heard
The name of this album describes melon when he knocked on my door last night.
chill with the thumbnails anthony
I agree, but for me it’s a 8-9/10
Was not expecting a review of this. Everyone check out Sheol/In Death from this band
Underrated bangers
Only real song I enjoy by them but I respect them
Loathe are easily one of the best bands ive seen live, unmatched energy
Banshee is too good
Deftones has been one of my favorite bands for decades. Loathe is the first band I've heard exhibit a strong Deftones influence, while clearly surpassing Deftones in writing ability. Aside from Two Way Mirror, every Deftones inspired track on this album is better than the vast majority of newer Deftones material. Furthermore, their style, groove, bass and guitar tone, genre ambiguity and HEAVINESS puts them solidly in their own lane. They're better than most metalcore bands to come out in the last decade, and superior to a Code Orange in terms of musicianship and song variety. Loathe is amazing, period.
Exactly what I was thinking as I was listening to this record. The Deftones parts are done better than Deftones, and the metalcore parts are done exceptionally well, too. I love metalcore, and I believe, alongside deathcore, that it’s made a huge comeback. It got stale throughout the 2010s, but as of the past three or so years, the whole ‘core’ scene has definitely produced some incredible music. Loathe is no exception, and if anyone wishes to exclude them from the core scene, it’s one of the best metal albums in general as of late.
Curious to know what you think about Ohms now that it’s been released.
There was a band called Islander that was pretty deftonesy. Haven’t listened to them for a long ass time tho idk if they’re even still a band
The album title is perfect for Rudy Gobert now
My dude, too soon
where were u when nba was kil
Kael Forsythe-Barker I was at house eating nacho when phone ring
“NBA is kill”
“no”
I bet he’s gonna look back on this later this year and is gonna put it on his top 50 albums of the year list
Despite only getting a 6, it sounded like something I might enjoy so I checked it out, and I fucking love it. Thanks for reviewing this Melon. Just goes to show that a review doesn't need to be an 8-10/10 in order to for people to check it out and become new fans.
Album title is fitting to when Anthony gets the coronavirus
Corona bout to get the glock if it takes my mans Anthony
Anthony’s vegan body should protect him from the virus
blue txsla makes u gay
blue txsla it makes you a coofer
TheNeedleDrop Album Reviews 2020 So Far:
10/10: 0
9/10: 0
8/10: 8
7/10: 7
6/10: 5
5/10: 7
4/10: 4
3/10: 0
2/10: 0
1/10: 0
0/10: 1 (Green Day)
NOT GOOD: 2 (Justin Bieber, Lil Baby)
Thank you!
@@_gorezone_ why?
Who could have imagined that most albums are average.
I think it’s safe to say he doesn’t loathe it.
This is the album of the year for me so far, I step in the right direction for heavy music, atmospheric, dreamy and yet crushing.
The thing that bothers me about this review isn't that it got a 6/10, taste is taste, and above average is still good. But the reason is a little ridiculous. Now, ILIIAITE is Deftones-influenced a bit, as Kadeem said he was a big fan of Diamond Eyes which inspired some of the record, but I don't think it's overbearing to the point where it's a Deftones rip-off. In fact I think Loathe are the exact opposite of the same coin that Deftones is on. Deftones is usually rather very seductive, lovesick, or ethereal sounding, and their heavy parts are angry. Loathe takes the dreaminess of Deftones and flips it on its head to wear this depressive and bleak sound with downright disgusting heavy parts (I'd say more comparable to Glass Cloud than Deftones, but that's a whole new argument.) The album may not have existed in the same form without Deftones, but the two bands are each in opposite corners of the same room, doing their own thing whilst respecting each other's similarities.
Why tf them wolves be howling at an eclipse
Big up loathe, one of the sickest bands live that took me pleasantly by surprise. They're the ones to watch in the coming years. 🤙🤙
Just found out about this album a few days ago, got it coming on vinyl!
Be excited, the pressing is really good too!
To be totally honest the Deftones comparison is lazy and suggests you should probably stick to genres you're more knowledgeable about.
absolutely adored this album, personally, in spite of the clear influences.
Deftones has been around for 30 years. I think it's ok to use it as a base now lol. You give rappers that rip off shit from the early 2000's higher scores.
NO ITS AN 8. DON'T HURT ME, MELON
Seriously, this record is delicious. I probably had it on replay for 2 weeks. Every single time a song pops up on my playlist, I get trapped in the loop of listening to the album over and over. I can't put into words how excited I am to see them live in my city soon.
How is this review real, man. A 6/10 just because he doesnt like Deftones. Insane 😂
LOATHE saw this review and then recorded "The Things We Believe".
A Sad Cartoon was the best track for me but I’ve also never listened to Deftones
Deftones is great! You should listen to the White Pony album, imo it's their best one
@@BigBoyz33 White Pony is a great start reference. But to be fair, you can go wrong with Deftones, it's one of those bands with no bad albums at all, impecable discography, from Adrenaline (and even before with Like Linus) to Gore.
Glad you covered this album, these guys have potential to be big. “Gored” is fucking hard and their shoegaze stuff is great too.
Since this album has released, I've been non stop spinning it. I like the influence of Deftones a lot. I love them anyway, but when you take that sound and incorporate it into some super heavy, sluggy, metalcore, or some could even argue beatdown, riffs, you get this incredible sound. Despite the heavy influence, I think the band does good to take it into their own sound. Never would you ever hear a Deftones song sound like Screaming. The super dropped tune grooves in that song mixed with the catchy, floaty chorus is so unique and beautiful.
too low, rereview it without slobbering over the deftones influence please
*“I Let It In And It Took Everything”*
Sounds just like our wives huh, Anthony.
This is the 3rd time that I saw this joke in this comment section. Y'all boomers are so predictable lol
You Zoomers don’t know shit.
This is the first time I’ve been angry with Fantano for what I believe is a very unfair review. Opinions are opinions tho, at least they got reviewed
As a deftones fan, I don't find that Loathe's sound too much like deftones
Loathe's sound is definitely it's own beast. Yeah, they draw influences from Deftones, but every time people say that Loathe's sound is "derivative" I ask myself if we listened to the same song. It's so lazy and unfair to write them off as Deftones copies, they have so much more to offer.
This album is 9/10 for me
YES THIS SHIT GOES SOOOOOO HARD
Gotta say that while reviews are just your opinion, I do feel like this record way outstrips the 6 you give it, I’m feeling a light to strong 9 on this one.
Personally I feel like this album is one of the more unique albums i've heard in the last 6 or so years. Yes the Deftones influences are there, but I really like the spin they have put on the deftones sound. The mix mash of different styles of rock on this album are something that isn't really seen in metal these days with most albums just sounding like one long song, and I feel they handled it very well. Whoever mixed and mastered this album also did a fantastic job. I'd personally put it in the 8 - 9 range. Great review man!
You know melon was going to give this album a strong 8 until he saw that Chino tweeted about the band.
THANK YOU for reviewing this. Hadn’t heard of these guys and this is right up my alley! Also does anyone else feel the album cover is reminiscent of the early 2000’s where the metallic hardcore sound was born?
lmao you just called Glassclound and Volumes Metallic Hardcore
Familia Andrade Glassclound? Never heard of them
@@byronridenour4585 listen to them, the sound is very familiar and much more closer to Metalcore/Djent than "Metallic HC"
the review is spot on, but I have to say this album & band hits every right spot for me. It's sonically everything I didn't know I needed in my life right now.
I reckon it's one of the best albums I've found in a while even tho it's very much deftones inspired I ain't complaining cause I'll take more deftones any day
Every once in awhile I wish I could hear Anthony’s opinion on the previous record and this is definitely one of those cases.
Started listening to this band because of this review. I love that you push so many diverse genres. Great band and album
NBA season just suspended bruh 😡😡
I recognize the deftnones influences but I feel like their sound is SUPER different to the deftones sound. Erik and Stephan's playing styles are so different imo that its hard to say that one sounds like the other. 10/10 album for sure
Is it really you? is the best Rock/Metal song I've heard in ages, you're tripping man.
Didn't expect you to recommend people to play DotA 2, Anthony
yo holy shit. Loathe is on The Needle Drop. this album deserves so much attention and support and I’m so stoked that it has so far. shoutout the Loathe boys.
I've been digging this album a ton, made me go back and listen to "White Pony", "Adrenaline" and others. I see what you mean about derivative sound but if it gets kids interested in Deftones, Dillinger Escape or others then that's pretty cool.
It’s been two years and I admit there was a time where I cherrypicked what I liked from this album and overall agreed with this review but…
All this time later, not only has the album grown on me, I can’t get enough of it. And I love the reimagined versions of Is It Really You? they keep doing with other great acts like Teenage Wrist, etc.
feel like this album is a personal one. you either instantly are glued to it or instantly forget it. Being at the album release show and seeing these songs live straight after hearing the album made this album a 9 for me, and i still haven't come down from that hype yet. maybe in a few months i might lower my score but as of right now this is my favourite album of 2020 personally. i do understand all the 'criticism' around the deftones'y sound but that isn't something i really care about when i'm listening to it.
This album is amazing... definitely disagree with that 6/10 but everyone is entitled to their opinion. Thanks for taking the time!
Definitaly some Glassjaw/Poison the Well influences in there as well! Love this band cuz i love all the bands they seem to be pulling influences from.
My favorite thing someone said about this album is that “the guitars are tuned in such a way that they don’t even sound like an instrument”… 10/10
Been waiting for this review!