SCREWED EITHER WAY? Daniel Ricciardo: A Retrospective
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Lot of noise been made at the minute about Danny Ric and his ousting from VCARB or whatever they're called now. How he's not had a proper send off simply because the fans like him and all that. But at the same time, the way they dealt with it was a bit bad. Lawson knowing for two weeks etc.
But that's F1. It's not a sport that coddles people. It's that moment from the Simpsons: "After all this time, all I get is goodbye and good luck?"
"I don't recall saying good luck"
But the point here is: Had he stayed with Red Bull or moved elsewhere, would that be Danny Ric in a hole? Because stay at Red Bull and he's Verstappen's Mark Webber. Go elsewhere and there's no competitive car. So either way he's screwed, right?
Let's have a look.
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He's a multi-millionaire and will ALWAYS have that Monaco win. Most racing drivers would swap their whole career for a F1 Monaco win. The world is full of people who didn't become world champion. He did a lot better than most.
One thing in Danny’s favour. As jovial as he is he’s a very serious businessman and he knew how to play the game exactly as it should be played. He demanded and earned millions upon millions for every drive he took. 20 or 30 million a year plus. And he’s done that over an extended career. Good luck to him. I wish him well for the future
The only person with worse decision making when it came to what team to move to, is El Padre himself, Fernando SIGMAlonso
Could actually say that about Lewis going to Ferrari. You know he wishes he’d gone back to McLaren with their current form.
@@noelht1 Not really considering we dont really know how ferrari will be next year and beyond
He at least has 2 championship wins and will forever be remembered as the guy that dethroned Schumacher and ended the Ferrari dominance. And he's also a Le Mans winner. Even if he never gets that elusive 3rd title he can still retire with a career to be proud of (if you ignore the McHonda years).
@@SwaggySimon20 they’ll be shit. That’s exactly how they will be. Lewis has backed the wrong horse
@@noelht1 based off what?
In sports timing is often everything and Danial just drew a sh*tty hand as far as timing goes. There were only 2 teams that won WC's for the last 15years and both teams had generational talent in Lewis and Max.
I think his problems at McLaren created doubts and those doubts just settled in between his ears, set up house, turned on the power, internet and weekly garbage pickup and never left.
@@markalbert9011 weekly?! It’s every two weeks for me. 😒
@@AidanMillwardMate last time we had weekly bin pickups David Cameron was still the PM 🤣
@@AidanMillwardRecycling one week, general trash the other in my case
@@chlcrk black bins (general rubbish) and green (recycling) every other Thursday. Brown bin (garden waste) is on alternating Fridays.
@@AidanMillward different days for the different colour bins?! Chaotic dystopia!
99% of F1 drivers would be within a tenth of each other in the same car. Looking back it's about being in the right team/car at the right time. Hamilton to Mercedes was ridiculed etc etc.
Everyone said Riccardo was a future world champion after trashing the reigning world champion Sebastian Vettel in the same car. It's a shame to see how his career unfolded after trying to do a Hamilton-like career move when he left Red Bull for Renault.
I just think his talent ran out and he was found wanting with the current type of cars.
And now add in his age and how Redbull runs its younger drivers.
Especially with the number of young drivers it has and what it promised...
Thus it is goodbye, Daniel.
Could he do what Oscar Piastri has done after he replaced Daniel McLaren's F1 team?
I think Daniel would be no were near his level or should it be a points score thus they come to the right decision to replace him and with his current car, not as good as the McLaren, the hallmarks are still there he either can not drive the current cars or adapt for them.
I still maintain he was the best driver on the grid in 2020.
Gonna miss ol' Danny Ric
Yeah well, people in hell (VCARB) want ice water
One thing to note about 2015 is Ricciardo would have finished ahead on points had he not retired at Belgium and Russia. I believe he was on course to score 4th in both races before suffering a mechanical problem that put him out of the race.
ric was a one dimensional drive like vettel. they could only drive the red bull with a planted rear end. when they left they were done. ric came to mclaren with the old car destroyed by lando.ok completely new and rules both drives on the same level. again lando destroys ric again. the engineer had to tell him how to drive the car through the corners. he was so bad mclaren paid him 25 million and dumped him. he went to cash and was worse than yuki. case closed.
On one hand the engine freeze has definetly made F1 feel more like a glorified spec series and less of an enginnering challenge.
On the other, it's a glaring elephant in the career of someone like Ricarrdo who never had a chance in his prime because one team had comically better engines rhan everyone else.
Even with the cost cap im concerned about the 26 regs undoing what was good about the 22 regs (and also the stupid gimmicks that sound awful and even like a safety hazard)
id still take ~equal~ engines over op engines
@flopre9213 same we don't want the Mercedes domination of 2014-2016 again or Verstappen last year which was an anomaly rather than the norm
The Mercedes cars were great overall, though. It wasn't just the engines. During the 2019 season, for example, Ferrari were faster in the straights while Mercedes were faster in the corners. The Mercs also struggled with cooling but they were good at tyre management (especially Hamilton).
@@CyanRooper Mercedes pushed for the 1.6 hybrid engines, and you know why? They had been working on one for nearly 10 years. They had a massive head start, and then that stupid "engine token" garbage meant that everything was locked in for nearly a decade. When they made a good chassis, like 2014-2016, they were 2 seconds a lap faster than everyone else. When they made an average chassis, they were still 0.5 per lap faster. The "spicy" engine in 2021, overtaking cars that had DRS when Hamilton didn't have DRS.
One thing is sure, he made alot more money in F1 than most drivers in the sports history.
Just wanted to say when I first started watching the channel I found the intro music a little cheesy. Now I feel it's a hallmark of the channel. I love it.
Oof. Only 5 seconds in, mind you.
Who was it? Stirling Moss, Graham Hill? That guy that gave up his possible wdc to correct the stewards on a mistake with another driver being penalized. I'm getting old, memory is a mere guideline.
Some drivers never got gold, however good they were. Some drivers got gold while being lucky.
If Lauda hadn't crashed, Hunt might never have been a wdc. He would've tried harder later on, though. What ifs rule. What if Stefan Bellof hadn't died?
Ricci outshone Seb in '14 by a margin. Seb didn't adjust as easily to the hybrids. So was Ricci better than Seb? You judge, I won't touch that with a ten foot pole.
Many F1 drivers still say Fangio was the best ever. Would he win in today's cars? I doubt.
It was Moss who pleaded the organisers of a race not to disqualify Mike Hawthorne for bump starting his car after a spin for going backwards on the track. Moss lost to Hawthorne that year by one point! A real gentleman racer.
Moss: Here mate, take my car. What they did to you is not fair.
Hawthorne: Are you sure about this, Moss?
Moss: I think it's fair.
*Several years later*
Senna: Move or we both crash.
Prost: No.
*they both crashed*
*Several years later*
Verstappen: Move or we both crash.
Hamilton: No.
*they both crashed*
@@CyanRooper🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Oh how things change over time, today drivers love to play the biggest game of chicken when it comes to overtakes now
@@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 It makes me miss Kimi Raikkonen even more. He raced hard but fair.
@@CyanRooper I agree Kimi was scarily fast and was very clean for a top level driver and was fair in his moves and defences
I think Oscar might be able to approach that level of speed and clean approach in his prime
I met Daniel ricciardo once back in 2019
Seems like a nice and funny guy
F1 will miss him as a special Character to the sport
As Peter Windsor said you don't leave a top team like Red Bull, until you have won at least 1 drivers title.
12:16 yup from remembering their time together it was around Monaco 2017 onwards when I felt Max was simply a faster driver than Ric but had race craft to learn and show more poise in how he raced compared to Daniel
Danny Ric was flattered by a young Max who had to learn this and made some of the fanbase think he could hang with Max when it was a matter of time before he was going to start to obliterate Danny Ric
If young 19-21 year old Max was putting him through the ringer by the time it was about 2020/21 it might have been ugly scenes, not Perez bad and I think Red Bull as a result would have won the WCC but Daniel was never gonna beat Max again
It was tough being a Daniel Ricciardo fan for your past 6 years.
Why 6? He was the best driver on the grid in 2020.
@@Moray2023 because after leaving Red Bull, 2019-2020 were tough years in Renault despite scoring 2 podiums in 2020. Then as soon as Ricciardo got better with Renault, he left Renault to go to McLaren. Despite winning Monza in 2021, it was tough from 2021-2022. Then he was let go from McLaren a year early for Oscar Piastri (and look how Oscar is doing now in McLaren with Lando). Then he was not racing until after Nyck was kicked out, then got hurt at Zandvoort. Despite scoring some points in 2023-2024, he was still struggling. Sadly no Red Bull ride again, and now he’s not in the sport
@@IanTheMotorsportsMan_YT yeah but he wasn't the issue at Renault and 2020 he brought the team real progress. So it's 4 years, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024.
@@Moray2023the problem was that he left Renault at the wrong time
The biggest what if running in my head is that Danny should have picked Renault or McLaren and stay there for 4 years. I know he was in talks with both and the fact he went for Renault when it was their engine that was blowing up on him is beyond me. Danny vs rookie Lando would have been a much different story.
I think there were two main reasons why Ricciardo didn't have much success at RBR; he was saddled with the useless Renault engine in his time there and it was obvious they weren't even trying to improve their power or reliability, the rise of Verstappen meant Horner/Marko were always going to put their eggs in Max's basket regardless of what Daniel did. Marko in particular was desperate to see Max be the youngest champion which of course didn't happen.
Five years at one team is a long time to wait for a title contending car (look at Alonso and Ferrari), it's unfortunate Ricciardo got to RBR as they declined and never got close to title contention until three years after he left. Baku 2018 and how Horner/Marko handled the aftermath was a big part of why he felt unwanted but I like to think he lost patience with Red Bull and their failing to give him a title challenging car. So I understand why he left RBR in the first place but I wonder if he would have fared any better if he went to Ferrari rather than McLaren for '21/'22
Great retrospective, many thanks Aidan!
Danny suffered from a greedy manager in 2018. He dropped his manager, I believe, when he went to McLaren
I don't think it's a good sign that less than a year after joining Renault, Ricciardo had sacked his agent and been forced to pay him to settle a lawsuit
So it was his greedy manager that influenced his move to Renault for '19? If that's the case, did his next manager influence his ill-fated McLaren move?
Underlying behind every Crashtappen hotshot into the barrier and Norris bottle was a Ricciardo career lifeline extension.
In English please?
@@paulreilly3904It’s funny when people say this and they’re the one with English comprehension limitations.
Well the stats don’t lie, Max even when he was learning was challenging Daniel in his prime. A good solid race winning driver but not in the very elite.
They put a 17 year old Verstappen in an F1 car for a reason: everybody could see he had potential.
I seem to remember Jezza Clarkson saying Danny Ric was a future champion at one point and boy I do wish that came true! Ricciardo was my absolute favourite driver when he was with Red Bull and Renault so watching his decline at McLaren and VCARB was rough! While he probably shouldn't have left Red Bull in hindsight, I completely understand why he wanted to leave at the time. If he was championship material, there's no way he was going to do that at Red Bull when they were increasingly throwing their weight behind Verstappen. I keep saying it but I think he left Renault too quickly. He should have stuck around a bit longer considering they wanted to build the team around him and knows what that could have lead to? Maybe it wouldn't have amounted to anything, maybe it would have. Sadly we'll never know!
I'm still salty about Monaco 2016 though. 😂
It's kinda hard to imagine Ricciardo winning championships with Renault seeing as the team is now struggling hard.
@@CyanRooper With Renault/Alpine in their current state I agree there's no way Riccardo would have been challenging for or winning championships. I wonder though if Danny stuck around, would that have motivated Renault to actually pull their finger out and build a title contending car? They've done it in the past after all with Alonso and with Schumacher when they were Benetton. They also wanted to build the team around Riccardo so I just wonder, would that have been the right environment for Ricciardo to compete for championships if he actually committed to the team?
Wow, he started in 2012 in HRT, then had his debut in 2011, before joining Toro Rosso in 2012. 2012 was so busy he time travelled.
I jest, it’s all fun.
Idea: retrospective on Mansell. When I got into the sport Mansell was the third most successful in wins, and had the most dominant season with 9 wins. He was put in the same breaths as Prost, Senna and Clark. But seeing stuff from the 80s is him underachieving at Lotus, and Hunt seemingly chatting shit about him constantly.
Love to see your take on Mansell and how perspectives changed.
Me and numbers don’t mix.
Out of curious, how many Red bull Juniors that never made it to the main seat and only for the Junior team . I can name the 2 other Sébastians (Buemai and Bourdauis), and Aguasari (sorry for the misspelling of names)
I appreciate what you're doing for the F1 community. Your presentation is top-notch.
Ricciardo from 2014-2020 was one of the top5/top6 drivers on the grid. Yes, Max was already often quicker than him in 2017/18, but Ricciardo could still beat him and was the smarter Red Bull driver on track. I think the real turn came in the second half of 2018 and from that moment on, he would have always been the nr2 to Verstappen. Swapping teams was the only thing that made sense to do for him at the time. You don't always have to be the best driver on the grid to win a title, you just have to be faster than your teammate and at the right team. Unfortunaley this never materialized for Danny Ric, with Renault remaining a midfield team, Lando beating him at McLaren and then the new ground-effect cars coming on. However, him changing teams was still the right decision imo. Whilst he was quicker than Verstappen in 2016 and could still challenge and beat him in 2017/18, there's no way he would've beaten Max from 2019 onwoards, and Daniel knew it. So why not take a gamble and go somewhere else? I think it was the right idea, the rest was just never meant to be.
He shouldn't have left Red Bull and many drivers don't get a second chance. He wasted his third chance when he left McLaren.
A good driver ain't nothing without a good car (yeah one good performance here and there maybe if they get lucky but nothing else) and no driver gets away with too many bad decisions. Ask Alesi or more recently, ask Vettel.
It's funny cause in my personal life I usually say it's not worth it to work in a poison environment but assuming F1 on itself is a poison environment on it's entirety then go for the best team and stay there o matter how much money you get offered to leave or how much the team try to screw you over. Ask Piquet he was champion in a Williams that was clearly trying to get a British driver to win that tittle.
Being Max wingman wasn't his case.
Careers like Danny's show that stats only tell half the story in sport, if that. If things had gone slightly differently he could have been a champion more than once by now but they didn't. Same with every driver on the grid, there's an enormous element of chance that needs to be allied to your skill. Hamilton could have ten championships by now, Alonso four... you could go on.
I like the title of the video simply because it is indeed what I believe would have happened if that move to Renault hadn't happened, he would have been dwindling vs Max until eventually dropped, now it would have been fireworks for a while, and maybe RB wouldn't have been in a position to get the 2021 drivers championship as Checo helping Max at times was definitive and if it was tight enough DR might have still had the clout to chase another top seat when it opened, like being there at the right time to heed Ferrari's call when they looked for someone to replace Seb...but he would have left RB as the loser in that matchup, I'm pretty sure. RB do seem to favor their current golden child, it happened to Mark when Seb came, it happened to Seb when he came and DR knew it would happen to him to, though he probably had expected it to take more time, so I "get" why he did what he did in leaving to Renault...but I wonder if Renault was already starting to crumble and that's why he left for Macca, or if Renault/Alpine accelerated it's crumble because someone high profile like him jumped ship so quickly.
I do agree that while, very poorly handled from the RB side in that it was an open secret DR didn't even bother to deny, F1 is a meat grinder for careers and he wasn't owed anything for a departure, if anything these more "public" sending offs are a relative new thing in F1, and only really started to be done when someone of the stature of Schumi left, that is generational talent and multiple world champion. As likeable and talented as the Honeybadger is, he is neither.
He does have a load of money for his troubles though.
He had 3 good years in a car that suited him well. His outsized personality has tilted his favorability way out of whack with his results.
I've never cared too much about certain pilots getting ousted from F1, it's just the nature of things. Sometimes it's sad to see someone sympatethic disappearing, but, hey, they get replaced by equally talented, or more so, younger pilots. It's what keeps things interesting, new blood, better competition and some such. Now, of course, Daniel is one of the more outstanding characters in F1, but hey, it's not his jokes or wit that will win races or keep him at the top of our list of best drivers of all time. There's too many Clarkes and Ickxs and Stewarts and Laudas and Sennas for that. Not exactly "good riddance", but still, "it's been fun to know ya, goodbye"...
Honestly, I never cared about him. To me he was just... there. But maybe that's because I lost interest in F1 after 2014 and only got interest back in 2021
His driving during that 2020 season was something else. I still remember many saying that he was world champion calibre and one of the best on the grid. Then that McLaren move happened...
Crazy how much can change in a matter of years 🤔
I will miss Ricciardo, he looked so good in those early seasons in Red Bull and I felt he drove really well at Renault. But he just couldn't get on top of the McLaren and was utterly creamed by Norris. Honestly I think it was a mistake by Red Bull to sign to him for RB in 2024, they should have gone for Lawson for the full season.
I'm beginning to think Tsunoda is a useful benchmark for Red Bull in F1; if you're beating him then you deserve a good seat in F1, if he's beating you then you're going to be booted.
Let's be real, he was a modern day Patrese. Decent driver who had the odd great drive, but never in the top echelon.
Lewis couldn’t beat him in the same car… ask Top Gear
like him but "The champ that never was" is silly, he was never even close points wise in his 2 best seasons
Bro. You good? At 5:38 you kinda... you know.. stopped talking lol
Can you make a video about Daniil Kvyat and Lamborghini's LMDH car and the Oreca 07
Danny was always missing that small bit that seperates the great from the world class.
Ricciardo understood that renault engine, because having 2 popiums with that engine its just unheard of, but everything came crashing down with the change of management and image from renault to alpine and thats why he went to mclaren, i think that ricciardo could have helped with the development and improvement of the engine and meaby having a win with theme.
The team was badly mismanaged even back then. Ricciardo was never going to win a championship with that team.
Dany for me is a solid driver as sainz is but wining a championship was never on the board, his best chance to be a title contender was in 2014, but at least a win with renault as he did in monza with mclaren it would have been nice.
People can say whatever they want. If they swapped Perez and Ricciardo out this year, they wouldn't lose the constructor's title. Now they likely will.
Sadly Ricciardo is washed. They believe suddenly peak Ricciardo is back, but sadly Ricciardo doesn't found love in ground effect cars.
If Ricciardo couldn’t get a McLaren to turn in he’d have no chance with the Red Bull.
I think you confused Alonso with Ricciardo there!
6:02 exceeding the fuel flow, not too little fuel in the car
The way this has been handled is disgraceful. Instead of DR being allowed to graciously admit defeat and retire, after a flag-waving slowdown lap, his future was communicated in the press and he went out with a whimper and zero fanfare. Respect to the guy for not calling BS.
Coming from a neutral who mainly follows MotoGP.
I might add that EVERY press outlet and pundit was all over this.
Tabloid attitude when talking about a soap opera. Low!
If only Marko hadn't wasted half a damn season on DeVries for no reason.
KUDOS
01:29 ❤🔥🔥🎆
One thing only springs to memory at the reminder of Ricciardo’s name.
And it’s not pleasant memory but revolting, gross and disgusting.
Yep, ‘shoey’🤢
It’s one of the many things that in my opinion signified the downfall of F1.
@@vladimirk9584 did a shoey at my wedding. Was fun.
@@AidanMillward 🤦🏼♂️
Just had to take that dig at Schumacher, didn’t ya?
😛
Car merchant.
@@AidanMillwardYeah, but, he could actually win in cars not powered by Mercedes engines, unlike *somebody* we know.
@@F-Man fucking Rosberg. 😒
@@AidanMillwardI was actually thinking of Kovalainen 😛
For me, Ricciardo showed his true colours when talking to the Red Bull team over the radio at Monaco when he lost the race due to the botched pit stop. Barking at his engineer to "Save it" when they apologised is probably something that pushed them firmly into Verstappen's corner. It's the kind of language you get away with when you are a World Champion carrying a team and they don't have better options.
I am pretty sure Daniel only won at Monza because of teams orders and Lando was told to hold station.
I highly doubt he would have won otherwise, give the overall performance of both drivers in that car.
Neither dumping nor loving one or other, just stating something lads.
Danny had been hot all weekend, there is nothing to suggest that Lando would have gotten by had he been allowed to challenge.
And no, I do not care "well on every other race weekend" because we are talking about that one particular weekend where he happened to better than Lando, despite Lando's whining about being "held up" (which instantly led to Danny going faster)
The only people who claim he didn't deserve the win are bitter Lando fans who can't stand the fact bottle job Norris couldn't win back then.
@@MrSniperfox29I agree Danny was generally behind Lando all year however Monza was a masterful display of control at the front from him
The fact he easily set the fastest lap on the last lap showed he had more in reserve and it was more Norris trying to orchestrate team orders to get him his first win
2021 was weird as there was a random 3 race stretch when McLaren had *genuine* race winning pace at Spa/Monza and Sochi
No one who drinks out of a shoe, or wants others to do is is worth knowing. Good to never see him ever again.
He’s still won eight more Grand Prix than you ever have.
@@TrickyMario7654 LOL. You attach that as if it mattered. Hey dullard. The only way that would matter is if I had been an F1 driver. No one is ever impressed with your level of intelligence for a reason sport.
someone is jealous 😂
I drank out of a shoe after driving 12hrs of Bathurst in iracing in a stream. It was not as grim as it seems.
@@AidanMillward Always entertaining when a dullard so willingly admits they are dull.