@@AidanMillwardHungary Mercedes decided to self combust both drivers forgot how to drive that day Singapore Seb supremacy at the race and lack of Merc pace similar to Singapore last year for RB COTA quali was on the Sunday IIRC and Lewis put the manners on Rosberg in the first corner and Cap-gate lol
2015 was just... weird. *No one* (and don't lie) remembers that when Hamilton won the title, it was over Vettel. Rosberg only re-took second with his trio of wins to the end. Truly a testament to how forgotten that season is.
Swear I'm not lying here...I remembered it as soon as I saw your comment, but I definitely wouldn't have remembered it on my own. I also remember Rosberg winning the last three because it was part of his seven in a row overall, but man, it's definitely a season to forget aside from just a handful of outliers.
Willem Toet mentioned in a recent Driver61 video that the reason Bennetton's German GP inferno occured was not because of the fuel filter being removed. He explained that the parts they got from the manufacturer happened to be on the tighter end of the tolerance limits, causing the seal to not engage if even a small foreign object had found its way into the neck flange. If this was a few days, or years after the fact I would still be skeptical, but we are talking about an event that took place 30 years ago, to a team that no longer exists and from a person that is no longer a part of its current guise. It really puts into perspective how easily a suspicion of cheating can trickle into a media frenzy and escalate to a narrative that gets reproduced thousands of times, yet has no basis on truth.
Fun fact about this weekend Lewis did a super grand slam Lead FP1/FP2/FP3 Q1/Q2/Q3 and did a grand slam in the race Not too sure how many times this has happened before I know Danny Ric was close at Monaco 2018 when the only thing he was missing was the fastest lap
Yeah, I hated the tire pressure controversies, because no sanctioning body says what temperature the tires should be at. And, pressure varies so widely by temperature. IMSA did a number of tire pressure infractions last year, and it was because the weather at one race dropped 20 degrees F during the race. The tire pressures were fine at the beginning of the race, and the 5 minutes before the pit stop, but 5 degrees cooler air temps and slow speed in the pit, the pressures were as now under-inflated by fractions of a PSI. Well, there was the Meyer Shank Racing tire pressure controversies too, but that was something else entirely.
Only race I really remember from 2015 was Hungary. The Jules Bianchi Memorial Race paid tribute to him by giving us the only really unpredictable event of the year, fittingly won by Ferrari. Had he not had that accident, likely he and Charles LeClerc would by racing as a Ferrari Dream Team to this day.
@@Lastname6955 It wasn't a real battle, just because Lewis had so many problems during multiple weekends, I don't remember Nico beating him more than once or twice without cheating( Monaco) or Lewis having problems. Plus 2015 had more great races than 2014. So 2015 is better for me. 2014 Mercedes was much more dominant compared to the field than 2015 too.
It still feels too F2/spec series to only see 1 tyre manufacturer. I know im old, but there is so much more to a race when you have another element to tyres other than just compound choice. Yeah yeah, i know, i know, the Indy 05 tyre fiasco, but it is sad that only Pirelli is there. That said the consumer market does get better products via the technical trickle down....
Thing is, with a tyre war, you can get scenarios, where one manufacturer can make tyres much better than the other, or one messing up. This in case could derail, potentially, half the teams. It doesn’t matter how good a car they make, when the tyres are simply not on par with your opponent. 2003 after the summer break after Michelin changed their tyres is evidence for this. Plus, controlling tyre manufacturers from going “too far” in a tyre war is basically impossible. Now wether pirelli is the best choice, is arguable, however having a tyre war, “2000s style”, is basically a 2D solution to a potentially non existing 3D problem.
@@l_poci_ thing is I completely disagree with your tunnel vision view. One tyre to rule them all is akin, to me, as saying there should only be 1 engine manufacturer. I have been watching F1 since the 90s, so yeah I am well aware of the 2000s. HOWEVER the FIA grooving the tyres and limiting grip is what killed the tyre war AND tyre technology has evolved immensely over the last 2 decades. More importantly you'd have teams working directly with the manufacturer to match their best tyres to the car's set up. BUTT, let us not forget that Pirelli PAYS to be the official tye of F1 thats roughly $16 million per seasom in tyres alone.
@@robbyk5266 while you make good points, you did not address any of my counter arguments. The fact that if one company falls behind the other, and can hurt almost half the grid, if not more, is very possible, no matter if the tyres are grooved or slicks. Thats not “tunel vision”, thats literally what happened then and what can very well happen again. Also in the era of cost caps, having a team have a relationship like ferrari had with bridgestone can mitigate all that. The counter arguments overshadow the pros, this isnt just my opinion. Plenty of experts think so. Engines being the same is not equivalent at all, because engines are made by teams, tyres are made by external manufacturers. The point of the cost cap nowadays is to try to prevent long term domination, and considering how red bull are performing this year, its working. If teams start having exclusive partnerships on tyres, they can get access to an advantage not open to other teams. You think sauber or haas will have the bargaining power of ferrari or Mercedes in getting tyre partnerships? It will throw away this current state where basically all teams can fight for points. The 2000s was an iconic era, however in terms of fairness within teams, it was a mess. Max mosley was running around, trying to hold back manufacturers from spending more and more money, smaller teams were being squashed year in year out.
@@robbyk5266 also a tyre war may work in a refuelling era where 2-3 stops are common. However add another tyre manufacturer to the grid now, have them battle out who can make the best tyres, and you will have another 2010 situation where all races are 1 stops and a drivers can pit on lap 2, and finish the race easily. It will kill multi stop strategies unless the fia controls the performance and longevity of the tyres, and doing that with 2 brands is a lot more difficult than 1. Like i said, wether pirelli is the right choice is questionable, however tyres are not a problem now, and it will simply create problems if they are disrupted again. But this debate is moot, a tyre war isnt happening, the fia learned it the hard way in the 2000s. The plans for the future are in a different direction.
This was timely. 😂 I just watched this race for the first time last week. Afterward, I as thinking: "I wonder what all that was about?" Well, now I know. Thank you, Aiden. 👍🏾
Interesting side note, the following race in Singapore Mercedes were absolutely nowhere, qualifying 5th and 6th (their lowest of the entire season) and Rosberg coming in fourth. There was some speculation at the time that Mercedes had deliberately thrown the weekend as a plea bargain (so to speak) for what happened in Monza. Obviously this probably never happened, but given that it was the only weekend in the entire season they struggled and that it came directly after a controversial race, it does seem suspicious at first glance. Then again, Red Bull showed last season that Singapore can be just a dodgy track no matter how brilliant your car is, so it maybe is just people looking for a controversy wherever they can
What I remember mostly from 2015 is the Australian GP. 16 starters, which was depressing, and 11 finishes. All 8 teams having points. The only ones not scoring points? McLaren-Honda dead last in their first race (a sign of things to come) and poor Manor who weren't able to race
@Aidan Milward. I have an idea for an episode. A history of 1.5 drivers over the last 30 years in F1. Drivers too good to be #2 but not quite at your #1 level driver in a top team. Example Sainz. Not sure if you would want to use drivers like Rosberg, and Button since they won a title but that level.
Just now heard his 20th->12th, scenes from Porto; "wtf you guys doing". Cmon now, i know im biased but i called this from a 10yo recollection, ofc as a finn ferrari fan something like this sticks out but like yea. Like i said... Great vid Adrian. Btw it is "Grands Schlang", the ng is pronunced as m
Even though I believe that the Hamilton Mercedes year were actually quite more entertaining than anti-Hamilton fans want to show us, it is true that 2015 was the worst year I remember seeing F1. Wasn't alive in 2002 though, still believe it was the worst year ever...
2002 was better than 2015, because Ferrari went on top at least AFTER the initial pit stops, so you had half an hour of believing "Wait...could they?..."
@@emilekaram6094 forgot that, equal with 2002 actually. 2015 had a few memorable moments, Vettel's all three wins, Lewis vs Rosberg in Monaco and US of A, Verstappen rookie season... 2002 had absolutely nothing, apart from that banger opening GP, the controversy of Austria and Kimi losing his maiden win in France.
@@periklaskyriakidis6064 Yeah I hear people claiming that 2002 was worse and more boring than 2004. Is it that 1st sign that F2002 was more a dominant car than F2004, I mean pace wise and gap to the field??
Is it just me who thinks F1 got too complicated, too technical? There's sooo much to think about, calculate and regulate, it's hardly about just driving the damn thing (Hunt) anymore. It's more like a mission to, not Mars, Pluto at least. I like the sprint races, if only for one thing: they can just go and drive to their utmost ability. I liked when a driver could make a difference, like he was Theoden in lotr and not just another orc. A good orc maybe, but just another one. I liked the personal heroism, not tyre pressures and strat 2. Not the degree in civil engineering to just drive a car.
F1 has always been about pushing the limits of technology, the limits are just getting more and more complicated at technology progresses. Let's not act like the 70s cars were not technical marvels of their time
100 % interested in a Pirelli history check. Genuinely curious how they have traversed F1 thus far.
Id argue that Hungary, Singapore and CotA at least saved 2015 from being COMPLETELY forgettable.
@@fulfilleddestiny2217 but even then I can’t remember anything about them 😅
@@AidanMillwardHungary Mercedes decided to self combust both drivers forgot how to drive that day
Singapore Seb supremacy at the race and lack of Merc pace similar to Singapore last year for RB
COTA quali was on the Sunday IIRC and Lewis put the manners on Rosberg in the first corner and Cap-gate lol
@@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 see, Hungary could have been 2014 as well 😅
@@AidanMillward Mercedes in their dominant era loved a race when they forget that they’re a functioning formula 1 championship winning team lol
@@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 they knew they had to spice things up.
Red Bull could never 😅
“Lewis”
“What”
“In this car we obey the laws of thermodynamics!”
😂
2015 was just... weird. *No one* (and don't lie) remembers that when Hamilton won the title, it was over Vettel. Rosberg only re-took second with his trio of wins to the end. Truly a testament to how forgotten that season is.
Swear I'm not lying here...I remembered it as soon as I saw your comment, but I definitely wouldn't have remembered it on my own. I also remember Rosberg winning the last three because it was part of his seven in a row overall, but man, it's definitely a season to forget aside from just a handful of outliers.
As a Seb fan, 2015 is close to my heart. Hungary and Singapore were genuinely great races by Seb and overall
Seb sticking up for Lewis will always be top tier
This is incredible, I needed something to do for 19-20 minutes, and here comes a new 'this one thing that happened that time' vid!
Willem Toet mentioned in a recent Driver61 video that the reason Bennetton's German GP inferno occured was not because of the fuel filter being removed. He explained that the parts they got from the manufacturer happened to be on the tighter end of the tolerance limits, causing the seal to not engage if even a small foreign object had found its way into the neck flange. If this was a few days, or years after the fact I would still be skeptical, but we are talking about an event that took place 30 years ago, to a team that no longer exists and from a person that is no longer a part of its current guise. It really puts into perspective how easily a suspicion of cheating can trickle into a media frenzy and escalate to a narrative that gets reproduced thousands of times, yet has no basis on truth.
His LinkedIn page is gold mine of F1 engineering articles, including one about Benetton's TC
Fun fact about this weekend Lewis did a super grand slam
Lead FP1/FP2/FP3 Q1/Q2/Q3 and did a grand slam in the race
Not too sure how many times this has happened before I know Danny Ric was close at Monaco 2018 when the only thing he was missing was the fastest lap
Spain 2023?
@@hersencell6880 Nope! Max was a Q1 topping away from it. Lewis topped Q1
Yeah, I hated the tire pressure controversies, because no sanctioning body says what temperature the tires should be at. And, pressure varies so widely by temperature. IMSA did a number of tire pressure infractions last year, and it was because the weather at one race dropped 20 degrees F during the race. The tire pressures were fine at the beginning of the race, and the 5 minutes before the pit stop, but 5 degrees cooler air temps and slow speed in the pit, the pressures were as now under-inflated by fractions of a PSI. Well, there was the Meyer Shank Racing tire pressure controversies too, but that was something else entirely.
Talk of "engine tokens" is giving me PTSD...
I dont know what was worse. Engine tokens or elimination qualifying. Neither did anything useful
thumbs up for a fellow laws of thermodynamics enjoyer.
Only race I really remember from 2015 was Hungary. The Jules Bianchi Memorial Race paid tribute to him by giving us the only really unpredictable event of the year, fittingly won by Ferrari. Had he not had that accident, likely he and Charles LeClerc would by racing as a Ferrari Dream Team to this day.
Verstappen's first highest finish (4th) and Alonso 5th in GP2 car
I saw this race and yeah it was fucking bizzare the situation at the time until watching the season review that explained what happened
Probably the most exciting thing in the entire 2015 season tbh
Pretty much. So much so, that’s the new title.
@@Lastname6955 Still better than the whole 2014
@@emilekaram6094 Nah at least 2014 had some form of battle between Lewis and Nico
@@Lastname6955 It wasn't a real battle, just because Lewis had so many problems during multiple weekends, I don't remember Nico beating him more than once or twice without cheating( Monaco) or Lewis having problems. Plus 2015 had more great races than 2014. So 2015 is better for me. 2014 Mercedes was much more dominant compared to the field than 2015 too.
It still feels too F2/spec series to only see 1 tyre manufacturer. I know im old, but there is so much more to a race when you have another element to tyres other than just compound choice. Yeah yeah, i know, i know, the Indy 05 tyre fiasco, but it is sad that only Pirelli is there. That said the consumer market does get better products via the technical trickle down....
Thing is, with a tyre war, you can get scenarios, where one manufacturer can make tyres much better than the other, or one messing up. This in case could derail, potentially, half the teams. It doesn’t matter how good a car they make, when the tyres are simply not on par with your opponent. 2003 after the summer break after Michelin changed their tyres is evidence for this. Plus, controlling tyre manufacturers from going “too far” in a tyre war is basically impossible. Now wether pirelli is the best choice, is arguable, however having a tyre war, “2000s style”, is basically a 2D solution to a potentially non existing 3D problem.
@@l_poci_ thing is I completely disagree with your tunnel vision view. One tyre to rule them all is akin, to me, as saying there should only be 1 engine manufacturer. I have been watching F1 since the 90s, so yeah I am well aware of the 2000s. HOWEVER the FIA grooving the tyres and limiting grip is what killed the tyre war AND tyre technology has evolved immensely over the last 2 decades. More importantly you'd have teams working directly with the manufacturer to match their best tyres to the car's set up. BUTT, let us not forget that Pirelli PAYS to be the official tye of F1 thats roughly $16 million per seasom in tyres alone.
@@robbyk5266 while you make good points, you did not address any of my counter arguments. The fact that if one company falls behind the other, and can hurt almost half the grid, if not more, is very possible, no matter if the tyres are grooved or slicks. Thats not “tunel vision”, thats literally what happened then and what can very well happen again. Also in the era of cost caps, having a team have a relationship like ferrari had with bridgestone can mitigate all that. The counter arguments overshadow the pros, this isnt just my opinion. Plenty of experts think so. Engines being the same is not equivalent at all, because engines are made by teams, tyres are made by external manufacturers. The point of the cost cap nowadays is to try to prevent long term domination, and considering how red bull are performing this year, its working. If teams start having exclusive partnerships on tyres, they can get access to an advantage not open to other teams. You think sauber or haas will have the bargaining power of ferrari or Mercedes in getting tyre partnerships? It will throw away this current state where basically all teams can fight for points. The 2000s was an iconic era, however in terms of fairness within teams, it was a mess. Max mosley was running around, trying to hold back manufacturers from spending more and more money, smaller teams were being squashed year in year out.
@@robbyk5266 also a tyre war may work in a refuelling era where 2-3 stops are common. However add another tyre manufacturer to the grid now, have them battle out who can make the best tyres, and you will have another 2010 situation where all races are 1 stops and a drivers can pit on lap 2, and finish the race easily. It will kill multi stop strategies unless the fia controls the performance and longevity of the tyres, and doing that with 2 brands is a lot more difficult than 1. Like i said, wether pirelli is the right choice is questionable, however tyres are not a problem now, and it will simply create problems if they are disrupted again. But this debate is moot, a tyre war isnt happening, the fia learned it the hard way in the 2000s. The plans for the future are in a different direction.
This was timely. 😂
I just watched this race for the first time last week. Afterward, I as thinking: "I wonder what all that was about?"
Well, now I know. Thank you, Aiden. 👍🏾
Pirellis "Greatest Hits" is a really good joke
Yes, you should definitely do that Pirelli video
Tyres deep dive.? Hell yes.
Interesting side note, the following race in Singapore Mercedes were absolutely nowhere, qualifying 5th and 6th (their lowest of the entire season) and Rosberg coming in fourth.
There was some speculation at the time that Mercedes had deliberately thrown the weekend as a plea bargain (so to speak) for what happened in Monza. Obviously this probably never happened, but given that it was the only weekend in the entire season they struggled and that it came directly after a controversial race, it does seem suspicious at first glance.
Then again, Red Bull showed last season that Singapore can be just a dodgy track no matter how brilliant your car is, so it maybe is just people looking for a controversy wherever they can
thanks for reminding me of that, been watching every year since 2010, there's absolutely nothing I can remember about 2015.
What I remember mostly from 2015 is the Australian GP.
16 starters, which was depressing, and 11 finishes. All 8 teams having points. The only ones not scoring points? McLaren-Honda dead last in their first race (a sign of things to come) and poor Manor who weren't able to race
The other interesting thing is how Manor got on the grid in the 2015 season as well
Nice sneaky soon reference there Mr Millward.
“IN THIS HOUSE, WE OBEY THE LAWS OF THERMODYNAMICS!!!”
I like that flag with the chains in the background
By the way, what flag is that?
Black Country.
@@AidanMillward huh. Didn’t think that the non-county regions of England could have flags
@@miscellaneoussarnian5282Anything/anyone can have or make a flag
16:11 Almost exactly 25 seconds difference between Lewis and Seb
I would really like to hear that deep dive into pirelli.
Massa was disqualified for something similar in Brazil that particular year also.
Yes please, do a Pirelli video.
lol engine tokens 😂😂 had forgotten about those
awesome video
@Aidan Milward. I have an idea for an episode. A history of 1.5 drivers over the last 30 years in F1. Drivers too good to be #2 but not quite at your #1 level driver in a top team. Example Sainz. Not sure if you would want to use drivers like Rosberg, and Button since they won a title but that level.
Everyone drags Pirelli but don't they build their tires to FIA specs and wishes?
I can argue that Monaco 2015 (at least after that Hamilton pit) is more interesting.
@@hellionus you’ve traveled forward in time a year already? Who won? Wanna get my bets in now.
@@AidanMillward Sorry I mean 2015. For some fans, Rosberg stole the win from Hamilton.
2015 had the debut of those horrendous Microwilly Thumbnoses so i repressed the season accordingly.
Wasn't that 2014? Or 2014 was the Macrowilly Era?
@@Isaackariuki775 that was marcowilly. They were at least committed to the willy-ness. If you look at the 2015 Williams. That's microwilly nose.
Why are the engine penalties so ridiculous when there's only 20 cars in the field?
where is the ORECA 07 VID AIDAN
Funny enough, i watch f1 since 2 years but heard absolutely nothing about the 2015 season
I found things to watch outside of the top two spots that season. Manor using a 2014 car against 2015 cars was interesting to say the least
I would watch that pirelli video 6:20
Kimi was driving so no, he is alike Stewart, a dyslexic. Never could study, but learnt from practice. Look at his onboards, look at Jackies
Just now heard his 20th->12th, scenes from Porto; "wtf you guys doing". Cmon now, i know im biased but i called this from a 10yo recollection, ofc as a finn ferrari fan something like this sticks out but like yea. Like i said... Great vid Adrian. Btw it is "Grands Schlang", the ng is pronunced as m
Why was Massa disqualified in Brazil that year, by the way?
Even though I believe that the Hamilton Mercedes year were actually quite more entertaining than anti-Hamilton fans want to show us, it is true that 2015 was the worst year I remember seeing F1. Wasn't alive in 2002 though, still believe it was the worst year ever...
What about 2023??
2002 was better than 2015, because Ferrari went on top at least AFTER the initial pit stops, so you had half an hour of believing "Wait...could they?..."
@@emilekaram6094 forgot that, equal with 2002 actually. 2015 had a few memorable moments, Vettel's all three wins, Lewis vs Rosberg in Monaco and US of A, Verstappen rookie season... 2002 had absolutely nothing, apart from that banger opening GP, the controversy of Austria and Kimi losing his maiden win in France.
@@periklaskyriakidis6064 Yeah I hear people claiming that 2002 was worse and more boring than 2004. Is it that 1st sign that F2002 was more a dominant car than F2004, I mean pace wise and gap to the field??
@@periklaskyriakidis6064 Can you answer my question plz??
Weird how much Purelli spends to be a sponsor.
With all their problems in F1 I will never buy a set of their tires
At least 2015 Hungarian GP was exciting
2015 USA was the best thing about this season maybe Hungary as well
Williams ❤
Could Lewis have been disqualified by the regulations?
@@carlomariagranata01 Nope. Since his pressures were above Pirelli’s minimums while he was driving around there was sod all anyone could do.
👍@@AidanMillward
I can 100% defend Lewis calling Max a dickhead
It's not wrong to be correct :)
Pirelli's greatest shits more like it
Goodyear Storytyme for 2015! Why do Brits do story time, but insist they are tyres ⁉
Because that's the correct English spelling. Tire is an American vulgarism of the noble English Tyre, that should'st n'eer be spoken of in public...
Is it just me who thinks F1 got too complicated, too technical? There's sooo much to think about, calculate and regulate, it's hardly about just driving the damn thing (Hunt) anymore. It's more like a mission to, not Mars, Pluto at least.
I like the sprint races, if only for one thing: they can just go and drive to their utmost ability. I liked when a driver could make a difference, like he was Theoden in lotr and not just another orc. A good orc maybe, but just another one. I liked the personal heroism, not tyre pressures and strat 2. Not the degree in civil engineering to just drive a car.
Get with the times. There are still plenty of classic race series that go on you can watch
F1 has always been about pushing the limits of technology, the limits are just getting more and more complicated at technology progresses. Let's not act like the 70s cars were not technical marvels of their time
0:56 for me 24 GPs is fine
16-18 between March and October. Start in Australia and end in Japan or Brazil.
@@F-Man what
@@F-Man dude wtf
come to Brazil 🇧🇷
Bad advice
He's not a pop singer
@@CraigPaulWilson he does play guitar, so... Aidan Millward tour?
First
Could you do us all a favour and make your intro exactly 10 seconds long instead of 13.5 or whatever it is? You know why.
Your channel is like an oasis in the world of content. Keep on making us happy with your work!🤩🪱♠️