I am also Maori and I don't quite know what you mean? All Maori I know personally are contributing members of society. What do you think we should be accountable for?
How is this lady more "oppressed" than me? She looks like she's doing well for herself, yet implies her people are somehow incapable of living without special rights and privileges granted by the Government. A lot of people doing it tough out there -from all races and backgrounds.
The only thing holding Maori back is their attitude. (There are plenty of hard working , successful Maori though). For people like Moana , Willy, Tamahere, Waititi, and all their fellow conspirators, its about money, land and power..
Being a victim is disempowering. Being a victim of colonisation is eternally disempowering. Always looking backwards and banging into walls. It takes courage to change the narrative. David has what it takes to improve people's future.
Hell, this dragon annoys me, she doesn’t get it, Maori are not the fucken indigenous people of this country. Eating the indigenous population does not make you indigenous.
@@stephenc8956 your comment, its about money, land and power.., that sounds exactly what I was taught in 1970's regarding colonialism globally ... whether in Africa, Asia, Americas, Pacific, sounds a common theme really, wouldn't you agree?
@@manuhamoai dont agree. I mean if you said, maori were killing, raping, be-heading each other, taking each others land and selling each othrr as slaves decades before captian cooks arrival. I would say thats correct and is just another form of what you just mentioned so maori should be used to it.
I am Maori. But the truth is, the rest of my whanau smoke, drink, eat rubbish, and to be honest are just plain lazy. It frustrates me. And we wonder why our people don't live as long? We have problems with child abuse and we make excuses qll the time. Im sick of blaming colonization. We as Maori need to give ourselves a kick up the arse and stop blaming the Treaty and everyone else.
Kia ora mate. Im a 62 yr old cis white male. Apparently I'm responsible for rape and female violence. But if I said what you did I'd be a colonial racist white supremacist . But I agree with you.
Well said. Lifestyle choices play an important role in poverty and health. Society wants to blame govts or policies for failing people, but alot of the time it's the people who fail themselves. If you gave everyone the same start, would they make the same choices? NZ has flourished, people live longer. The opportunies are there. Self responsibility and incentivising yourself is the best way to take yourself out of victimhood.
Yes, I don't understand, look at other colonized people around the world who have had their lands (economic base) taken/confiscated - they are all going from strength to strength right?
@@Marc-anthony-t3n every modern country is colonized. But maybe the one that stands out that has gone back to reversing it is South Africa, and that's gone backwards.
everything moana talks about seems very surface level, and the moment david explains his side or asks for an example and tries to go deeper she moves onto the next topic
Because she doesnt actually know and hasnt researched her point of view. Its the same victim mentality and being outraged with the view that thats all you need and sadly for too long it was all you needed. But lets move along and get resolution....no no say people like Moana its more complex!.....its not that complex really if you are solution focused!
I wonder! does Moana never smile .Right from the begining of interview ,she asks questions but does not listen to the answer. Woke through and though. I,ll never listen to any more of her interviews again .worst kind of Journalism .
This woman is so one sided its difficult to actually have a balanced discussion with her, complete waste of time talking to her, shes rather sarcastic as well.
Why are you watching this interview then? There are many far right interviewers you could watch who would only ask the questions you want to hear answers to.
Are you inferring Seymour is a wimp and can’t handle himself against an assertive woman. I think indirectly you’re putting Seymour down and saying he is not manly.
I'm not sure if she's necessarily racist but maybe she's more ignorant that Many Maori are well off & Many Non Maori (Whites, Pacific Islanders, Asians etc.) have struggles or live in poverty
Such a negative interviewer in both interviews I've seen.. why be so aggressive and always blaming everyone else for poor Maori statistics instead of looking within. We've certainly given Maori plenty of $$ and roles in government, boards etc so no excuses.
But in this way we get to see and hear both sides. She's doing the job of a journalist, to ask questions and put David on the hot seat. We need more like her and I think she does a good job.
What of mixed race kiwis? Half brothers sisters 5% Maori 50% Scotts 45% China? 25% Maori 25% Cook Is 25% India 25% China? 50% Maori 50% English? One Country One people kiwi One vote One healthcare One justice One government!
Nah you wont override our culture with your white racist agender we are not all kiwi we are Maori always have been and always will be your not and have no right to pigeon hole us into your bullshit
How does this woman hold a job as a interviewer . She is TOTALLY bias . Running a shock jock line , with little to no intention to put a fair line forward . Being a close relative of willie jackson it doesn't come as a suprise .
"Indigenous" is a load of BS. All you can say is that humans are "indigenous" to Earth. Forget about saying someone should have more rights than someone else because some ancestor arrived somewhere before that of the other person. You shouldn't call others stupid but that is stupid.
yeah 100% the racist are the systemically, and culturally disempowered who fight to get equal outcomes in health, justice and a seat at the table. they should get the same input as everyone else its 2023 for christ sake!
People like Moana are really confused about the meaning of indigenous. Winston has already given her a history lesson, but she’s still clinging on. There’s no reason why the rest of NZers should have to suffer and compensate just because Maori make bad choices and end up with a bad life.
100% Agreed!!! maori people are NOT INDIGENOUS TO NEW ZEALAND!!! Aboriginal people and Native American Indian people are Indigenous to these country, as they have lived thousands of years in these areas of land.
@@pauldansby8285 yeah lets argue weather Maori are indigenous or not! but lets ignore everything colonizers did to them to have them where they are today..cringe
i think if he could deal with some historical inequalities within these values like "common humanity" then that would make more sense. He seems to want to move straight into an equal approach that is not and has not worked
5:58 I am going with the "experts"... or you could try engaging your brain. There are different views, the fact you can't acknowledge Act's as having merit exposes your bias. It should concern everyone that people like her think preferential treatment or different services being provided according to ethnicity is ok
David Seymour has the most advanced vision for the future of this country. The way I see it without a change of government and that being a National/ACT coalition we will not progress as country and the mass exodus of talented young minds will continue to look to Australia and other developed countries that offer a better quality of life.
I am in my 60’s with four children in their 20’s and 30’s! Two of them have medical degrees, one is a Master of Laws and one nearing the end of her PhD! According to the two that I had dinner with the other night, the only thing that would prompt them to leave NZ would be if David Seymour (with his terrible retrograde policies) gets into a coalition Government!!
@@brianmitchell1624 and can you tell me is the situation we are in at the moment worthy of staying in New Zealand? Aggravated burglaries by youth offenders has become the daily norm, cost of living is out of control. We earn about 30-40% less than Australians in most industries. We need a government that takes this country seriously and has the decency to do their best for this country. The New Zealand I want is a first world country where people feel safe and have a high quality standard of living as good as the best countries in the world. A world leading country and not a second rate country which we are becoming!
David seems to be the only politician with enough balls to speak the truth. Hes not talking down Maori culture, its obviously a key part of our identity being kiwis. This racially chaged crap has to end.
Call me judgy but is it just me who thinks NZ is going crazy at the moment? What I really don’t understand is how Māori try to blame Pakeha and the treaty for their poor performance and at the same time - are so entitled to their rights to partnership and all the benefits the modern world has brought to the country. Yes, we have our rights and we are entitled to our rights but we also have to fulfil our obligations to society as well - as in obligations to work hard and live your life well so that you are responsible for your own success and happiness and accountable for your own action. Not all under-privileged groups of society are gang affiliated or under-performing like Māori. Instead of pointing the finger at others and the system, maybe have the conscience to self-reflect and raise awareness amongst your own group as to why things are going wrong for the group - e.g. 15% of NZers are Māori = 55% of prisoners are Māori (please don’t say the justice system is tougher on Māori - that is not a FACT but an accusation! how about the undeniable FACT that there simply are more Maori people committing serious crimes than all other ethnicities put together in NZ) - live your life well and be an example of hard work and integrity to your children so you can put a stop to breeding a culture of anti-social and criminal ways of living. How about the fact that over 90% of pediatric dental treatments done in NZ public hospitals are done for Māori kids - it’s not a reflection of system failure - but poor or rather, lack of parenting - and it is not a poverty issue or poor decision making from limited resources - it has nothing to do with your race or ethnicity - it’s the decision you as parents make to purchase fizzy drinks and feed them to your children when other people choose not to and please don’t play “the system fails to deliver the right health info to Māori” card - you’d have to be pretty stupid to not know the soft drinks and the sweets are bad for you. It is not “unequitable provision of healthcare” but rather lack of self-control and accountability for taking care of own health that are driving the health stats for Māori. If you REALLY want to turn things around for Māori - put a stop to the culture of dependence and move forward with responsibility and passion for life.
The best thing we can do is treat each other equal and with respect no matter what life situation someone is in. I'm Maori we were bought up racist against white people but to hate on another race isnt the answer. I love our country and that we have so many ethnicities all in one big melting pot. Wether your homeless a billionaire a prisoner an old person a young person I still greet everyone the same with eye contact respect they deserve and no judgement
@@ShirleyZhang-bt4dj the best thing we can do is treat everyone with respect. Do I think the Maori have been wronged in the past yes. Do I think anyone should abuse the welfare system no. The best way to move on from both sides is to try and be nice to each other and treat 'everyone with respect' no hate either side and no blame
Moana is hilarious. She criticises ACT for taking things out of context and yet that’s exactly what she does, and it’s her who REINTERPRETED the Treaty.
@timtan2023hiyffg its like she agrees with her view more. The reason they go to alot of different journalists and hold the debates is to understand the views better. The debate with other parties Seymour had they pull him up on similar stuff
scrap the treaty, it's become a leechfest for activist Maori, Maori elders / leaders are the only ones benefitting from all the settlement money, what's more Maori are not indigenous.
How does giving a group a chance to control water issues get that group out of prison , into hospital , or educated. These are accepted issues for a lot of groups in NZ , not just one. Conflating is exactly what Moana is doing . All people are important and deserve equal help.
Born and raised in New Zealand and I love my country. Though, going on 35 now, and I've never until recently (the last few years specifically) felt so alien in my own country. I'm not Maori, but I love and respect the culture we share. If I was Maori, I would imagine that I would feel quite disempowered by the direction of the country. I understand that there are complex, generational issues at play but you don't lift a culture/people up by constantly trying to remind/convince them that they are disadvantaged.
Who do you think promotes this mentality & Maori exceptionalism? Who created the crown institutions that have damaged indigenous folks for generations? Seymour is hard right. The idea that Seymour , Peter’s & Luxon are dangerous for Maori, the Treaty, & the non wealthy. These are terrifying times. Your attitude denotes both institutional racism & a position of privilege.
@@Marc-anthony-t3nAbsolutely. But just because I'm not, doesn't mean I can't have an opinion. I'm a New Zealander first and foremost, like we all are.
I am a 6th generation New Zealander of mostly Scottish and English descent. I can NOT understand why a person who was BORN and RAISED here, can't even spell the word Maori!!!! This is a shocking eye opener discovering that a Kiwi has gone right through our school system and can spell every English word they write in a comment, but incorrectly spells the only word in te reo that they use. What an indichtment on you, your family, and our Pakeha school system!! To make matters worse, it is the word referring to te tangata whenua, a word that is written very visibly all over NZ. It is also very very revealing to me, that you think that everyone is a New Zealander first and foremost. That idea can only be responded to by individuals themselves- whether or not they identify first with being a New Zealander! To me, your lack of respect for our indigenous people oozes out of everything you write, and for me it is offensive. I am looking forward to the number of racists in this country gradually diminishing And hopefully, newcomers to New Zealand, such as your family members, can also pass on to their children and grandchildren an understanding of humility and respect. That is more respectful than raising their own position in Aotearoa to some kind of equal position based on whether or not they have become a citizen here. That is entirely dependent on a Pakeha construction of identity ...based on a legal definition only. That viewpoint tramples all over a People's connection to the land, water, birds, plants, fauna and every aspect of native wildlife. That view tramples over the ancestors who skilfully navigated the oceans to reach this place that once was paradise. The viewpoint entirely overlooks the rich spiritual ways of the original kaitiaki. They were people of the land, not people among the people. They were not ignorant of the land and our dependence on that and clean water. I hope your children go through the school system and respectfully learn a lot more about the Maori people, their views, these unique islands and these precious rivers & ocean. You and I both have ancestral lands we know of and can return to. The difference between us "all" is that you, me, Pacific people, Indians, Chinese, Scottish, English, South African, and all other immigrants of the last 250 years have ANOTHER ancestral place to put our feet. We can all catch a plane and go back to those places. Please show more respect and humility, knowing that your family also, recently arrived here. We have just had Maori Language Week. Before that, we celebrated teaching our kids at Kohanga for 40 years. Have you noticed any news from any iwi, or about kiwi being killed by intoduced animals in NZ? Did you understand the significance of celebrating stars and deep connections on our last public holiday? Do you understand what has lead to the need for health reforms in NZ, and specifically the Maori Health Authority? I think this focus on understanding and respect will help sharpen any argument you present in the future.
@@akab750 yeah I'm in let's sell it to iwi and remove Māori TV from government funding so we can create one plus plus cause I gotta get fear mongered for 3 hours in a row before I go to sleep 😴
The more this interviewer interviews the more obvious it is that she’s just a singer. Shame her song is always the same. It’s your pakeha’s fault. Grow up Moana ( pronounced moaner)
These NZ interviewer's need to learn how to interview and let the other actually speak. Take a look at how Joe Rogan, Jordan Peterson, Tucker Carlson to name just a few. This isn't even worth watching after 1 minute.
sorry moana, but the treaty has been part of the curriculum for years, my oldest is 32 and he had to do education on it when he was in primary and intermediate, my youngest is 25 and that curriculum changed in guidelines in that short of time, which is detrimental to the full true history behind the treaty, it is meant to make one peoples and one nation, not a segregated society, there are those among us who what to change history to their own end, so much so they are even leaving the majority of their own culture behind, to just line their own pockets, how sad is that, !
This land is not a republic; There are those who have tried and still are trying to make that happen; the re-flagging and the re-naming of places are all part of a ‘one person one vote’ Hobsons Choice ideology; demo-crazy is a dead end;
Maori came from Taiwan, the Cook Islands, and other pacific islands. When current iwi arrived in NZ there were people already here, oral histories from many different tribes document this. Given that, is it accurate for Maori to claim to be indigenous?
"Indigenous" is a useless term. The only meaningful thing you can say is that humans are indigenous to Earth, but rarely visit the poles. Definitely not that someone today has more rights than someone else simply because some ancestors arrived somewhere before an ancestor of the other. The whole "indigenous" argument is BS.
@barneyboy2008 Actually, the Treaty was written to create one people. Do you honestly think the British would create a situation where Maori (who didn't even work metal, forget about their preferred dishes, when they arrived) would become British citizen BUT also be first class citizens in NZ with their own British citizens relegated to second class? Come now. And the Maori didn't have to cede sovereignty? Oh really? Now, there are all these "interpretations" and "principles" invented, mainly by part Maori who are rubbing their hands. Nonsense. If Te Tiriti is now suddenly a justification for seperatism and Apartheid and robbing from taxpayers, then someone should use it to roll a fag with. Better use of the paper. The Maori came asking for the Treaty to save them, not only from the French, but mainly from other Maori. They were constantly on murderous revenge raids. And why so many signatures? Because they weren't one people. Near 200 years later and now Part-Maori suddenly were supposedly meant to have their own country within the country. BS
He doesn't understand. He's someone coming from white privilege his whole life who can't or won't acknowledge the past atrocities committed against Maori.
W Peters draws on the the writing of a person who has links to past century. The MP for Epsom seems to ignore this. Have a look at "Looking Back"what Sir G Palmer talk about the time when they changed law to date claims to 1840.
if only you had a bunch of words from people on paper to read about this information or better yet really fast and obviously accessible database that you could do research about these issues on.
Once again, an interviewer who clearly fails to understand the difference between causality and correlation and therefore, like the rest of them, fails in her interpretation of the data.
I agree with David 100%. We need a combined vision for the future of all New Zealanders - Māori & Non-Māori. One country - one people. Looking to see everyone succeed and lifting up people who are struggling based on need not race. We need to stop looking in the rear view mirror and look to the future. Every person needs to embrace a sense of personal responsibility. We will never be able to move forward and heal from the wrongs of the past on both sides, by implementing any form of divisive policies on racial grounds no matter how well intentioned they may be.
Moana seems out of her depth. David is articulated, educated, sensible and knowledgeable . As for Maori health, we know the stats, but will Maori take personal responsibility?
Its time to finalise the exact meaning of the treaty once and for all. Time to end the constant grievance revisionist gravey train. It's funny how Moana conveniently leaves out that the treaty was revised by an activist treaty claimant in the late 1980's. The citizens of this country deserve stability and to be free from Maori racism.
Any form of racial based political or resource participation just needs to he stopped. Completely. What happened 200 years ago, in the context of the British empire, should not be the thing we all die in a ditch over now. Until we become a truly equal country with maori told They are the same as everyone else, we will always have racial division. People like Moana will never give up that privilege, they will fight to keep thier unequal and undemocratic rights, because they personally would then just be a normal citizen... just like everyone else. Time to become a republic and put this chapter behind us. One nation, one people
My son is a Maori, I'm a NZer, why should we have two different governments one for my son and one for me? And how is it fair that consultants were getting 1 million a month for maori health when Dunedin hospital is struggling to be built, with less beds and bigger population 🤔
The continuation of racism from all sides will tear this country apart what we need now is complete unity...if you live in the past you'll have anger and depression if you live in the future you'll have fear and anxiety its the right now present moment you can actually do something about
Moana Maniapoto has never been colonised. Like all us Maori alive today she was born into a modern technological civilized society. How well anyone gets on in life is really determined by how they apply themselves, their family life, parental values & family affection or lack of. I much prefer to be living in 2024 NZ rather than brutal 1800's. One nation one people. Stop blaming & just get on with applying yourself.
Lets learn before the treaty as well, Maori enslaved each other, raped, murdered tortured each other and were even cannibals. 30 years of age was their life expectancy.. but lets all act like it was all utopia.
Prison does not work it just cost the taxpayers more money . We gave Winston an idea that will save taxpayers 20% of their taxes per person. We also gave Winston an idea like putting methane tanks on farms to save kiwis 30%-40% of their fuel bill each week . We also have a 3rd idea that’s going to drop the food bill by 1/4 . Vote Winston and see what happens. We will work with Winston to give a 20% tax break a 30%-40% fuel drop for all kiwis not just the rich and drop the price of food by 1/4 . Vote Winston and see how much better of you are .
Jacinda knew the country would be in turmoil,that’s why she led labour to initiate all this seperate Health, MĀORI separation business, that is her mess and she’s gone. Labour manage to keep all there MĀORI MPS under the tree and don’t let them have an important say in running this country, Labours big mistake. This parliament is going to be very interesting,.
I think it's great that you invited David back after a year and had a frank and open discussion vith David and appreciated how you let him talk, unlike the Debate on 3 the other day. That was a S$%t show. I understand that you want to discuss all the things you might not agree on. But i would appreciate if you also discuss things you agree with him on. Or if he makes a good point you agree with him. There is no harm in backing down some times.
What I get from this is Moari > Human, abusive left leaning word redefining nightmare, its so sickening to watch this, so much ethnocentrism, the world is for all not for few
Saying Maori are disadvantaged because of their race is by definition racist. So she's just blindly believing racist "experts", making her also a racist.
I like the cut of Davids jib...Moana...Im maori and Ive done well in my life..75yrs and counting..and I did it without the Treaty..my family of 3 generations are also doing well..all have been /being educated ..have never been in trouble or in jail..dont drink or do drugs ....its about time that we as a people stood up and take responsibility for ourselves ..it starts in the home and parenting skills and teaching our moko about respect for self and others..right and wrong..work for what you want ..basic principles. Maori as victims is a load of of B/S..Maori cannibalize Maori ..and Im done with it..the World owes us nothing
I like and admire Moana, and am not an Act voter, but a couple of comments: I do think we need to cut back government departments. As a woman, and trained in feminist studies at university, I can not justify the expense of the Ministry of Women’s Affairs, and do not think the average woman would even notice that they are there, or if they weren’t. Regarding Winston, I smiled at David’s clear antipathy against him. I do think of things NZ First has brought in, from the Gold Card through to regional development schemes. If Kiwis vote his party in, maybe David will have to overcome his clear dislike, respect the democratic process, and work with him!
Yeah, and for someone like yourself (forgive me), to say that I'm thinking NZ1st is going to nail it this election. On another note, Moana has shown herself to be a very able interviewer.
You seem clear-minded, positive, and willing to think thru the challenges facing our country. I have four kids between 17 & 23. Two are living overseas (US & Aus) and two studying. I find myself encouraging them to leave NZ because as a country we seem to be heading backwards, and we seem so divided down so many issues. I'd be interested in your view of out nation's future and what we can do to optimise it.
Moana , honestly lacks the comprehension for this debate , to not understand that if you suck on cigarettes or overeat and don't exercise , you're going to be unhealthy and that is regardless of your ethnicity , and that the resulting health complications are not the health system persecuting you is simply lack of understanding on her part. David touche' Sir
The pure irony. The reinterpretation of the Treaty has been done by There is no evidence that Maori health outcomes are based on the treaty or racism. Experts? Ideologies. Activist Academics. It’s astonishing that she can be so openly racist. How is she even employed to do this? Marginalised people? People who have marginalised themselves. Whose responsibility is that?
Moana was so unprofessional who view non-maori as aliens from another planet and with no rights.. the debate was sooo unhealthy and I can not bear watching.. its so sad.. 😢 we need a referendum once and for all as a matter of a priority to save our democracy. Well done Dave for standing up to all kiwis!
To assume that 'the people' may not be ready for a debate because the Treaty was only entered into the curriculum last year is interesting. On the one hand, it is outright patronizing... assuming that people need to be told what to think at school. Hello, many people do actually read in their leisure time... after having graduated. Indeed, there was an argument that only reading, writing and arithmetic, and the more practcial and secular topics should be taught... in order to avoid 'politicizing' people one way or the other. On the other hand, maybe a complete democracy is never ready for a debate [certianlky not a black and white referendum] on consitutional matters such as this, which really require an educated... dare I say elite, or intelligentsia, to mull over the complex historical issues at stake.
Tightening of all the labour laws meant that people had to work extremely hard to get extra crumbs. Good for productivity but totally unfair as far as remuneration is concerned
Who the heck is Moana Maniapoto? Go David Seymour!......The Heo Peeo Report! Can we mere people, second rate pakeha citizen, but please give the opportunity to read this document!
How can anybody argue against equal rights for all ????.ALL New Zealanders should get the same deal , until that happens this country will remain divided....ITS TIME TO MOVE ON!....enough of the tail wagging the dog.
This is typical of predjudiced people . When asked to give an example say they will come back to you on that. In other words the examples need to be researched yet her opinions are formed as if she knew them already. This is blatant bandwagon politics. She just likes the publicity of beating someone over an opinion based on an impression she has. Her opinions are not based on facts but emotional impressions which she hopes the facts will support. She gives women a bad name as emotional only and hormonal.
Seymore doesnt believe in statistics they dont further his ambitions. Seymore is so wrong on winston he mustve eaten humblie pie when he joined coalition.
A liberal democracy, one person one vote, is the best option for a fair NZ, say no to twin governance. At least three of the 75 NZ iwi are billionaires, but how much equal redistributing of their wealth to the poorest iwi do they undertake? A liberal democracy promises a fairer nation than tribal hierarchies. I want to live in an NZ with equal opportunities, social mobility and a safety net based on need not race.
i am a maori we need to look in the mirror we need to take responsibility for ourselves we will never move forward until we do we are our own enemy
I am also Maori and I don't quite know what you mean? All Maori I know personally are contributing members of society. What do you think we should be accountable for?
How about the type two diabetes's?? @@athorpe1937
@@athorpe193716% 42% statistically speaking
I respect your HONESTY :)
Māori are not indigenous; they’re persons and a legal construct [Cf. Treaty of Waitangi Act 1975, s.2];
How is this lady more "oppressed" than me? She looks like she's doing well for herself, yet implies her people are somehow incapable of living without special rights and privileges granted by the Government. A lot of people doing it tough out there -from all races and backgrounds.
The only thing holding Maori back is their attitude. (There are plenty of hard working , successful Maori though).
For people like Moana , Willy, Tamahere, Waititi, and all their fellow conspirators, its about money, land and power..
Being a victim is disempowering. Being a victim of colonisation is eternally disempowering. Always looking backwards and banging into walls. It takes courage to change the narrative. David has what it takes to improve people's future.
Hell, this dragon annoys me, she doesn’t get it, Maori are not the fucken indigenous people of this country. Eating the indigenous population does not make you indigenous.
@@stephenc8956 your comment, its about money, land and power.., that sounds exactly what I was taught in 1970's regarding colonialism globally ... whether in Africa, Asia, Americas, Pacific, sounds a common theme really, wouldn't you agree?
@@manuhamoai dont agree. I mean if you said, maori were killing, raping, be-heading each other, taking each others land and selling each othrr as slaves decades before captian cooks arrival. I would say thats correct and is just another form of what you just mentioned so maori should be used to it.
I am Maori. But the truth is, the rest of my whanau smoke, drink, eat rubbish, and to be honest are just plain lazy. It frustrates me. And we wonder why our people don't live as long? We have problems with child abuse and we make excuses qll the time. Im sick of blaming colonization. We as Maori need to give ourselves a kick up the arse and stop blaming the Treaty and everyone else.
Kia ora mate. Im a 62 yr old cis white male. Apparently I'm responsible for rape and female violence. But if I said what you did I'd be a colonial racist white supremacist . But I agree with you.
Well said. Lifestyle choices play an important role in poverty and health. Society wants to blame govts or policies for failing people, but alot of the time it's the people who fail themselves.
If you gave everyone the same start, would they make the same choices?
NZ has flourished, people live longer. The opportunies are there. Self responsibility and incentivising yourself is the best way to take yourself out of victimhood.
Why don’t wise and non extremest who are the majority stand up ? Why don’t they get a say and stop being disempowered by other non thinking Māori ?
Yes, I don't understand, look at other colonized people around the world who have had their lands (economic base) taken/confiscated - they are all going from strength to strength right?
@@Marc-anthony-t3n every modern country is colonized. But maybe the one that stands out that has gone back to reversing it is South Africa, and that's gone backwards.
everything moana talks about seems very surface level, and the moment david explains his side or asks for an example and tries to go deeper she moves onto the next topic
Very observant and seems to be her modus operandi.
Because she doesnt actually know and hasnt researched her point of view. Its the same victim mentality and being outraged with the view that thats all you need and sadly for too long it was all you needed. But lets move along and get resolution....no no say people like Moana its more complex!.....its not that complex really if you are solution focused!
I wonder! does Moana never smile .Right from the begining of interview ,she asks questions but does not listen to the answer. Woke through and though. I,ll never listen to any more of her interviews again .worst kind of Journalism .
What specifics is HE talking about? He cherry picks to shoe horn into his agenda.
This woman is so one sided its difficult to actually have a balanced discussion with her, complete waste of time talking to her, shes rather sarcastic as well.
I don't know why you even sit down with this women aggressive, very bias. Playing the victim over and over.
It’s works best when ‘the blind leads the blind’; so please,…take a seat;
The most uneducated and as a result arrogant old woman. No surprise
Why are you watching this interview then?
There are many far right interviewers you could watch who would only ask the questions you want to hear answers to.
@@athorpe1937 she doesn't even give Winstone much of a go. Right wing yeah right buddy lol
Are you inferring Seymour is a wimp and can’t handle himself against an assertive woman. I think indirectly you’re putting Seymour down and saying he is not manly.
Is Moana racist? Genuine question..
The answer lies in answering the question, does she discriminate against people on their race?
I'm not sure if she's necessarily racist but maybe she's more ignorant that Many Maori are well off & Many Non Maori (Whites, Pacific Islanders, Asians etc.) have struggles or live in poverty
Certainly narrow-minded and short-sighted. Acting like she's a victim when Maori are their own worst enemies.
What’s she done to help “her people” nothing I bet. Interesting how she is clearly bi-racial but only acknowledges one.
Yes of course, they both are; it wouldn’t be worth televising if they agreed;
Such a negative interviewer in both interviews I've seen.. why be so aggressive and always blaming everyone else for poor Maori statistics instead of looking within. We've certainly given Maori plenty of $$ and roles in government, boards etc so no excuses.
’stupid is as stupid does’, Forrest Gump;
But in this way we get to see and hear both sides. She's doing the job of a journalist, to ask questions and put David on the hot seat. We need more like her and I think she does a good job.
Thank you David for explaining act policies so eloquently
What of mixed race kiwis? Half brothers sisters
5% Maori 50% Scotts 45% China?
25% Maori 25% Cook Is 25% India 25% China?
50% Maori 50% English?
One Country
One people kiwi
One vote
One healthcare
One justice
One government!
Nah you wont override our culture with your white racist agender we are not all kiwi we are Maori always have been and always will be your not and have no right to pigeon hole us into your bullshit
Ta Tau , Ta Tau
Percentage is irrelevant. Whakapapa determines your heritage, not percentage.
one inequality, one overrepresented ethnicity lets put all the differences that make us individuals aside and create a super race 🥴
@Arms26 that just reeks of the one drop rule in reverse. If you have one percent of maori genes you're maori
How does this woman hold a job as a interviewer . She is TOTALLY bias . Running a shock jock line , with little to no intention to put a fair line forward . Being a close relative of willie jackson it doesn't come as a suprise .
yep, Moanas interview with winston was ludicrous.
@@waynepike4337 😉👍
What about the mauriori - why is there genocide never mentioned?
Yes the white colonialists were not satisfied with killing and stealing Maori land they had to steal their land as well
Also the Patupairehe I found out about these people when I watched the series Skeletons in our cupboard
For heaven's sake, get a real history lesson. There have been many efforts to get this history explained yet the myth still gets trotted out ....
"Indigenous" is a load of BS. All you can say is that humans are "indigenous" to Earth. Forget about saying someone should have more rights than someone else because some ancestor arrived somewhere before that of the other person. You shouldn't call others stupid but that is stupid.
The WHO?
David wanting equal rights for all, yet certain people call him racist. But we no who the true racists are
yeah 100% the racist are the systemically, and culturally disempowered who fight to get equal outcomes in health, justice and a seat at the table. they should get the same input as everyone else its 2023 for christ sake!
Who?
Dude. Bring yourself together.
funny guy
No interviewer should ever say, "but experts say." The experts are not present. The interviewer is.
Yeah and who’s experts. Remember experts said smoking was good for you. You get what you pay for …
@@lifeliver9000yeah but you don’t have to go back that far, remember just recently the covid jab was safe and effective.😂
experts? what experts though? where is the evidence she is talking about? load of crap if you ask me
The experts are her friends and colleagues
Moana seems to have a low bar for moari and believes moari are not capable. Its degrading by her on moari
Yeah it’s deragding for mowrees
",Moari??" Gees... no wonder the subject of our tangta whenua are not taken seriously - surprised you can spell her name lol
Excuse me , please learn the basic,s how to Spell Maori , it is not spelt moari , before you comment please .
@leslielani1980 What the he'll is mowrees, get educated , that's the level of a Act Party intellect quiotient.
People like Moana are really confused about the meaning of indigenous.
Winston has already given her a history lesson, but she’s still clinging on.
There’s no reason why the rest of NZers should have to suffer and compensate just because Maori make bad choices and end up with a bad life.
Poor Moana. Just keeps banging her old drum. 😊
Winston is a politician not a historian he into gaining votes so will say anything to get votes 😮
100% Agreed!!! maori people are NOT INDIGENOUS TO NEW ZEALAND!!! Aboriginal people and Native American Indian people are Indigenous to these country, as they have lived thousands of years in these areas of land.
lol what a load bs
@@pauldansby8285 yeah lets argue weather Maori are indigenous or not! but lets ignore everything colonizers did to them to have them where they are today..cringe
What experts?? Who are these experts?
exactly the experts who have a terrible track record.....covid, housing affordability, gfc etc
such a weak argument duh.. da experts said and im down with them
just a vague appeal to authority fallacy
David's vision for New Zealand is one of prosperity, self-responsibility and strong values. Act have got my vote this election
i think if he could deal with some historical inequalities within these values like "common humanity" then that would make more sense. He seems to want to move straight into an equal approach that is not and has not worked
Act and National hell no
HE IS ANOTHER wef GLOBALIST we don,t need any more traitors, look at the damage the last one done. no more weffers
Moana clearly felt she was picking up a turd from the clean end. Maybe she could open her ears and treat others with respect one day.
As always, it’s ‘the blind leading the blind’; they deserve each other; perfect match;
5:58 I am going with the "experts"... or you could try engaging your brain. There are different views, the fact you can't acknowledge Act's as having merit exposes your bias. It should concern everyone that people like her think preferential treatment or different services being provided according to ethnicity is ok
Moana seems to want to double down on the things and policies that have got the country to new lows.
Good on David for showing up for this one-sided, racial shit-show.
Coming from someone who has seen the benefit of white privilege his whole life.
Only losers talk about white privilege. What have you done with all your Darkie benefits
David Seymour has the most advanced vision for the future of this country. The way I see it without a change of government and that being a National/ACT coalition we will not progress as country and the mass exodus of talented young minds will continue to look to Australia and other developed countries that offer a better quality of life.
I am in my 60’s with four children in their 20’s and 30’s! Two of them have medical degrees, one is a Master of Laws and one nearing the end of her PhD! According to the two that I had dinner with the other night, the only thing that would prompt them to leave NZ would be if David Seymour (with his terrible retrograde policies) gets into a coalition Government!!
@@brianmitchell1624 and can you tell me is the situation we are in at the moment worthy of staying in New Zealand? Aggravated burglaries by youth offenders has become the daily norm, cost of living is out of control. We earn about 30-40% less than Australians in most industries. We need a government that takes this country seriously and has the decency to do their best for this country. The New Zealand I want is a first world country where people feel safe and have a high quality standard of living as good as the best countries in the world. A world leading country and not a second rate country which we are becoming!
David seems to be the only politician with enough balls to speak the truth.
Hes not talking down Maori culture, its obviously a key part of our identity being kiwis. This racially chaged crap has to end.
Call me judgy but is it just me who thinks NZ is going crazy at the moment?
What I really don’t understand is how Māori try to blame Pakeha and the treaty for their poor performance and at the same time - are so entitled to their rights to partnership and all the benefits the modern world has brought to the country.
Yes, we have our rights and we are entitled to our rights but we also have to fulfil our obligations to society as well - as in obligations to work hard and live your life well so that you are responsible for your own success and happiness and accountable for your own action. Not all under-privileged groups of society are gang affiliated or under-performing like Māori. Instead of pointing the finger at others and the system, maybe have the conscience to self-reflect and raise awareness amongst your own group as to why things are going wrong for the group - e.g. 15% of NZers are Māori = 55% of prisoners are Māori (please don’t say the justice system is tougher on Māori - that is not a FACT but an accusation! how about the undeniable FACT that there simply are more Maori people committing serious crimes than all other ethnicities put together in NZ) - live your life well and be an example of hard work and integrity to your children so you can put a stop to breeding a culture of anti-social and criminal ways of living.
How about the fact that over 90% of pediatric dental treatments done in NZ public hospitals are done for Māori kids - it’s not a reflection of system failure - but poor or rather, lack of parenting - and it is not a poverty issue or poor decision making from limited resources - it has nothing to do with your race or ethnicity - it’s the decision you as parents make to purchase fizzy drinks and feed them to your children when other people choose not to and please don’t play “the system fails to deliver the right health info to Māori” card - you’d have to be pretty stupid to not know the soft drinks and the sweets are bad for you. It is not “unequitable provision of healthcare” but rather lack of self-control and accountability for taking care of own health that are driving the health stats for Māori.
If you REALLY want to turn things around for Māori - put a stop to the culture of dependence and move forward with responsibility and passion for life.
The best thing we can do is treat each other equal and with respect no matter what life situation someone is in. I'm Maori we were bought up racist against white people but to hate on another race isnt the answer. I love our country and that we have so many ethnicities all in one big melting pot. Wether your homeless a billionaire a prisoner an old person a young person I still greet everyone the same with eye contact respect they deserve and no judgement
You are by no means alone
@@kiwikiwi223Great comment. Totally agree with you. thanks.
@@ShirleyZhang-bt4dj the best thing we can do is treat everyone with respect. Do I think the Maori have been wronged in the past yes. Do I think anyone should abuse the welfare system no. The best way to move on from both sides is to try and be nice to each other and treat 'everyone with respect' no hate either side and no blame
@@kiwikiwi223 Respect to you 👍
Moana is hilarious. She criticises ACT for taking things out of context and yet that’s exactly what she does, and it’s her who REINTERPRETED the Treaty.
and Act talks all shiiit as always
She's so unprofessional. Talk about letting emotions get in the way!
What are you
It’s a shame you were so hostile Moana, it would have been good to have started the interview with a mind open to hearing what David had to say
I don't agree with Moana's views, BUT that is what you call journalism. Did you want her to ask what his childhood pet's name was?
Ms Maniapoto is unfortunately an ideological zealot.
she should of just agreed with him and not challanged his parties thoughts that sounds far better
@timtan2023hiyffg its like she agrees with her view more. The reason they go to alot of different journalists and hold the debates is to understand the views better. The debate with other parties Seymour had they pull him up on similar stuff
Where was the ministry of women at the let women speak?
Women were set upon with violence and not allowed to speak. This is horrific.
My first time to vote for Act. Go David make NZ a country of equal opportunity for everyone❤❤❤
Your words are true. I also know the fear some Maori may feel about it.
scrap the treaty, it's become a leechfest for activist Maori, Maori elders / leaders are the only ones benefitting from all the settlement money, what's more Maori are not indigenous.
100% Argreed
Never gunna happen
How does giving a group a chance to control water issues get that group out of prison , into hospital , or educated.
These are accepted issues for a lot of groups in NZ , not just one.
Conflating is exactly what Moana is doing . All people are important and deserve equal help.
It doesn't but it gives a few elite's a lot of power and a whole pile of money forever at everyone else's expense.
Born and raised in New Zealand and I love my country. Though, going on 35 now, and I've never until recently (the last few years specifically) felt so alien in my own country.
I'm not Maori, but I love and respect the culture we share.
If I was Maori, I would imagine that I would feel quite disempowered by the direction of the country.
I understand that there are complex, generational issues at play but you don't lift a culture/people up by constantly trying to remind/convince them that they are disadvantaged.
Who do you think promotes this mentality & Maori exceptionalism? Who created the crown institutions that have damaged indigenous folks for generations? Seymour is hard right. The idea that Seymour , Peter’s & Luxon are dangerous for Maori, the Treaty, & the non wealthy. These are terrifying times. Your attitude denotes both institutional racism & a position of privilege.
If you were Moari you would be Maori.
@@Marc-anthony-t3nAbsolutely. But just because I'm not, doesn't mean I can't have an opinion. I'm a New Zealander first and foremost, like we all are.
I am a 6th generation New Zealander of mostly Scottish and English descent.
I can NOT understand why a person who was BORN and RAISED here, can't even spell the word Maori!!!!
This is a shocking eye opener discovering that a Kiwi has gone right through our school system and can spell every English word they write in a comment, but incorrectly spells the only word in te reo that they use. What an indichtment on you, your family, and our Pakeha school system!!
To make matters worse, it is the word referring to te tangata whenua, a word that is written very visibly all over NZ.
It is also very very revealing to me, that you think that everyone is a New Zealander first and foremost.
That idea can only be responded to by individuals themselves- whether or not they identify first with being a New Zealander!
To me, your lack of respect for our indigenous people oozes out of everything you write, and for me it is offensive.
I am looking forward to the number of racists in this country gradually diminishing And hopefully, newcomers to New Zealand, such as your family members, can also pass on to their children and grandchildren an understanding of humility and respect. That is more respectful than raising their own position in Aotearoa to some kind of equal position based on whether or not they have become a citizen here. That is entirely dependent on a Pakeha construction of identity ...based on a legal definition only.
That viewpoint tramples all over a People's connection to the land, water, birds, plants, fauna and every aspect of native wildlife. That view tramples over the ancestors who skilfully navigated the oceans to reach this place that once was paradise. The viewpoint entirely overlooks the rich spiritual ways of the original kaitiaki.
They were people of the land, not people among the people. They were not ignorant of the land and our dependence on that and clean water.
I hope your children go through the school system and respectfully learn a lot more about the Maori people, their views, these unique islands and these precious rivers & ocean.
You and I both have ancestral lands we know of and can return to. The difference between us "all" is that you, me, Pacific people, Indians, Chinese, Scottish, English, South African, and all other immigrants of the last 250 years have ANOTHER ancestral place to put our feet. We can all catch a plane and go back to those places.
Please show more respect and humility, knowing that your family also, recently arrived here.
We have just had Maori Language Week. Before that, we celebrated teaching our kids at Kohanga for 40 years. Have you noticed any news from any iwi, or about kiwi being killed by intoduced animals in NZ? Did you understand the significance of celebrating stars and deep connections on our last public holiday?
Do you understand what has lead to the need for health reforms in NZ, and specifically the Maori Health Authority?
I think this focus on understanding and respect will help sharpen any argument you present in the future.
the only reason moana has a tv show is because of her ethnicity
Yeh those bloody mowrees
A show from a Māori on Māori TV u absolute fungus
@@sharnwilson5240 i have an idea let's sell Maori TV to iwi. Featuring Maori, for Maori, funded by Maori. That's mana motohake
@@akab750 yeah I'm in let's sell it to iwi and remove Māori TV from government funding so we can create one plus plus cause I gotta get fear mongered for 3 hours in a row before I go to sleep 😴
The more this interviewer interviews the more obvious it is that she’s just a singer. Shame her song is always the same. It’s your pakeha’s fault. Grow up Moana ( pronounced moaner)
Open yr eyes jingoz,,crown fault,,fuk sakes
Aren't the interviewers supposed to at least pretend to be neutral...
These NZ interviewer's need to learn how to interview and let the other actually speak. Take a look at how Joe Rogan, Jordan Peterson, Tucker Carlson to name just a few. This isn't even worth watching after 1 minute.
11:40 looks like part of the interview was edited out.
sorry moana, but the treaty has been part of the curriculum for years, my oldest is 32 and he had to do education on it when he was in primary and intermediate, my youngest is 25 and that curriculum changed in guidelines in that short of time, which is detrimental to the full true history behind the treaty, it is meant to make one peoples and one nation, not a segregated society, there are those among us who what to change history to their own end, so much so they are even leaving the majority of their own culture behind, to just line their own pockets, how sad is that, !
Get rid of the treaty. Why can we not be 1 Nation. And maori are not indigenous to New Zealand. Maori came from the islands
This land is not a republic; There are those who have tried and still are trying to make that happen; the re-flagging and the re-naming of places are all part of a ‘one person one vote’ Hobsons Choice ideology; demo-crazy is a dead end;
Moana conveniently forgot to mention an inconvenient truth that Maori colonised the early inhabitants of NZ ...
Maori came from Taiwan, the Cook Islands, and other pacific islands. When current iwi arrived in NZ there were people already here, oral histories from many different tribes document this. Given that, is it accurate for Maori to claim to be indigenous?
"Indigenous" is a useless term. The only meaningful thing you can say is that humans are indigenous to Earth, but rarely visit the poles. Definitely not that someone today has more rights than someone else simply because some ancestors arrived somewhere before an ancestor of the other. The whole "indigenous" argument is BS.
its MY toy I had it FIRST
@@BogDog9 At least the kids in kindergarten know how to sort it out.
@@olsaffa7679actually they have rights because they signed a treaty.
@barneyboy2008 Actually, the Treaty was written to create one people. Do you honestly think the British would create a situation where Maori (who didn't even work metal, forget about their preferred dishes, when they arrived) would become British citizen BUT also be first class citizens in NZ with their own British citizens relegated to second class? Come now. And the Maori didn't have to cede sovereignty? Oh really? Now, there are all these "interpretations" and "principles" invented, mainly by part Maori who are rubbing their hands. Nonsense. If Te Tiriti is now suddenly a justification for seperatism and Apartheid and robbing from taxpayers, then someone should use it to roll a fag with. Better use of the paper. The Maori came asking for the Treaty to save them, not only from the French, but mainly from other Maori. They were constantly on murderous revenge raids. And why so many signatures? Because they weren't one people. Near 200 years later and now Part-Maori suddenly were supposedly meant to have their own country within the country. BS
the last few seconds tells it all, she cant even meet his eye contact during the handshake. Ideologue.
He doesn't understand. He's someone coming from white privilege his whole life who can't or won't acknowledge the past atrocities committed against Maori.
David speaks the truth. Non Maori and Maori are equal. Who are these invisible experts, lady 😂😅
W Peters draws on the the writing of a person who has links to past century. The MP for Epsom seems to ignore this.
Have a look at "Looking Back"what Sir G Palmer talk about the time when they changed law to date claims to 1840.
Clearly white privilege. NO we are not equal, we have NEVER BEEN EQUAL.
Sian Elias one of the experts pakeha historians Vincent O'Malley & co the Privi council, international law Court appointed Judges etc....😊
Part Maori academics
if only you had a bunch of words from people on paper to read about this information or better yet really fast and obviously accessible database that you could do research about these issues on.
David debunks her nonsense pretty quickly.
How,didn't crack her,he's an i man she had facts.
She had facts he deflected and squirmed and rambled or questioned her ethics
Once again, an interviewer who clearly fails to understand the difference between causality and correlation and therefore, like the rest of them, fails in her interpretation of the data.
I agree with David 100%. We need a combined vision for the future of all New Zealanders - Māori & Non-Māori. One country - one people. Looking to see everyone succeed and lifting up people who are struggling based on need not race. We need to stop looking in the rear view mirror and look to the future. Every person needs to embrace a sense of personal responsibility. We will never be able to move forward and heal from the wrongs of the past on both sides, by implementing any form of divisive policies on racial grounds no matter how well intentioned they may be.
Amen!
Nice White Protestant middle-class values.
Easy to say when its under a pākēhā umbrella
@@sheaoj3185 fair. But I’m not suggesting NZ should be under a Pakeha umbrella. I don’t believe David is either actually
Confidence and supply isn’t blackmail. It’s a legitimate option in an MMP framework… something the Greens did with Labour in 2017.
Very smart and genuine guy…we need him in govt
bahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
@@riverdean7still laughing? 😂
@@andrewmcroberts2497 sure am
What intelligent, reasoned responses to her questions!
Well done David 🙌
Good on you David well spoken
Moana seems out of her depth. David is articulated, educated, sensible and knowledgeable .
As for Maori health, we know the stats, but will Maori take personal responsibility?
Its time to finalise the exact meaning of the treaty once and for all. Time to end the constant grievance revisionist gravey train.
It's funny how Moana conveniently leaves out that the treaty was revised by an activist treaty claimant in the late 1980's.
The citizens of this country deserve stability and to be free from Maori racism.
Any form of racial based political or resource participation just needs to he stopped. Completely. What happened 200 years ago, in the context of the British empire, should not be the thing we all die in a ditch over now.
Until we become a truly equal country with maori told They are the same as everyone else, we will always have racial division.
People like Moana will never give up that privilege, they will fight to keep thier unequal and undemocratic rights, because they personally would then just be a normal citizen... just like everyone else.
Time to become a republic and put this chapter behind us.
One nation, one people
People are people; ‘persons’, now that’s a different thing altogether;
My son is a Maori, I'm a NZer, why should we have two different governments one for my son and one for me? And how is it fair that consultants were getting 1 million a month for maori health when Dunedin hospital is struggling to be built, with less beds and bigger population 🤔
The continuation of racism from all sides will tear this country apart what we need now is complete unity...if you live in the past you'll have anger and depression if you live in the future you'll have fear and anxiety its the right now present moment you can actually do something about
Moana Maniapoto has never been colonised. Like all us Maori alive today she was born into a modern technological civilized society. How well anyone gets on in life is really determined by how they apply themselves, their family life, parental values & family affection or lack of.
I much prefer to be living in 2024 NZ rather than brutal 1800's. One nation one people. Stop blaming & just get on with applying yourself.
Bring it on a referendum on the validity of the treaty
Lets learn before the treaty as well, Maori enslaved each other, raped, murdered tortured each other and were even cannibals. 30 years of age was their life expectancy.. but lets all act like it was all utopia.
Like this interview.
David Seymour has such a pragmatic approach! He’s definitely got my vote.
David catches her out ‘doesn’t understand it but just believes the experts’ - that’s the last 3 years for most kiwis
Forget the Wah's. Up Seymour. Love his mentality towards kiwi's and NZ. Backing you as PM of NZ.
Ok let’s not be hasty UP THE WAHS
Great interview. Interesting that Moana becomes flippant the instant David presents a hard truth.
Just what people who lack broad knowledge, and don't think through the implications of their beliefs, do..
Prison does not work it just cost the taxpayers more money . We gave Winston an idea that will save taxpayers 20% of their taxes per person. We also gave Winston an idea like putting methane tanks on farms to save kiwis 30%-40% of their fuel bill each week . We also have a 3rd idea that’s going to drop the food bill by 1/4 . Vote Winston and see what happens. We will work with Winston to give a 20% tax break a 30%-40% fuel drop for all kiwis not just the rich and drop the price of food by 1/4 . Vote Winston and see how much better of you are .
Its a good conversation. Both brave facing off in that way with obviously different views and even a bit of tension. Full respect to them both .
Did he give you a reality check Moana. You don’t seem to be able to understand what David says. And you don’t have any answers other than racism
Moana got her butt kicked by common sense.
Jacinda knew the country would be in turmoil,that’s why she led labour to initiate all this seperate Health, MĀORI separation business, that is her mess and she’s gone. Labour manage to keep all there MĀORI MPS under the tree and don’t let them have an important say in running this country, Labours big mistake. This parliament is going to be very interesting,.
I think it's great that you invited David back after a year and had a frank and open discussion vith David and appreciated how you let him talk, unlike the Debate on 3 the other day. That was a S$%t show. I understand that you want to discuss all the things you might not agree on. But i would appreciate if you also discuss things you agree with him on. Or if he makes a good point you agree with him. There is no harm in backing down some times.
Its not complicated one man one vote equal rights for everyone under the law
What I get from this is Moari > Human, abusive left leaning word redefining nightmare, its so sickening to watch this, so much ethnocentrism, the world is for all not for few
Unfortunately Moana's out of her depth with the likes of David and Winston etc, there's no substance there.
David is 100% spot on. Act party has good and appropriate policy. I think NZ needs to stop looking back and start moving forward
i feel the same lets throw all our statistics out the window that have contributed to our current policy and start again.
We are meant to be one people Moana. And you are not the indigenous people of New Zealand.
Saying Maori are disadvantaged because of their race is by definition racist. So she's just blindly believing racist "experts", making her also a racist.
I like the cut of Davids jib...Moana...Im maori and Ive done well in my life..75yrs and counting..and I did it without the Treaty..my family of 3 generations are also doing well..all have been /being educated ..have never been in trouble or in jail..dont drink or do drugs ....its about time that we as a people stood up and take responsibility for ourselves ..it starts in the home and parenting skills and teaching our moko about respect for self and others..right and wrong..work for what you want ..basic principles. Maori as victims is a load of of B/S..Maori cannibalize Maori ..and Im done with it..the World owes us nothing
Who's paying this woman
Girl … research before you interview. Knowledge before attitude.
I like and admire Moana, and am not an Act voter, but a couple of comments: I do think we need to cut back government departments. As a woman, and trained in feminist studies at university, I can not justify the expense of the Ministry of Women’s Affairs, and do not think the average woman would even notice that they are there, or if they weren’t. Regarding Winston, I smiled at David’s clear antipathy against him. I do think of things NZ First has brought in, from the Gold Card through to regional development schemes. If Kiwis vote his party in, maybe David will have to overcome his clear dislike, respect the democratic process, and work with him!
Very well put.
Yeah, and for someone like yourself (forgive me), to say that I'm thinking NZ1st is going to nail it this election. On another note, Moana has shown herself to be a very able interviewer.
You seem clear-minded, positive, and willing to think thru the challenges facing our country. I have four kids between 17 & 23. Two are living overseas (US & Aus) and two studying. I find myself encouraging them to leave NZ because as a country we seem to be heading backwards, and we seem so divided down so many issues. I'd be interested in your view of out nation's future and what we can do to optimise it.
Moana , honestly lacks the comprehension for this debate , to not understand that if you suck on cigarettes or overeat and don't exercise , you're going to be unhealthy and that is regardless of your ethnicity , and that the resulting health complications are not the health system persecuting you is simply lack of understanding on her part. David touche' Sir
Go david you got my vote,VOTE ACT
Two people with very different intellectual levels having a chat
The pure irony. The reinterpretation of the Treaty has been done by
There is no evidence that Maori health outcomes are based on the treaty or racism.
Experts? Ideologies. Activist Academics. It’s astonishing that she can be so openly racist. How is she even employed to do this?
Marginalised people? People who have marginalised themselves. Whose responsibility is that?
What a bitter woman shame that she is not concerned about everyone’s wellbeing
Best NZ politician
Yo Moana you need to read Thomas Sowell ASAP
Go David, you have my vote!
Moana was so unprofessional who view non-maori as aliens from another planet and with no rights.. the debate was sooo unhealthy and I can not bear watching.. its so sad.. 😢 we need a referendum once and for all as a matter of a priority to save our democracy. Well done Dave for standing up to all kiwis!
😂🤣😆
You're laughable...egg!! 😂
To assume that 'the people' may not be ready for a debate because the Treaty was only entered into the curriculum last year is interesting.
On the one hand, it is outright patronizing... assuming that people need to be told what to think at school. Hello, many people do actually read in their leisure time... after having graduated. Indeed, there was an argument that only reading, writing and arithmetic, and the more practcial and secular topics should be taught... in order to avoid 'politicizing' people one way or the other.
On the other hand, maybe a complete democracy is never ready for a debate [certianlky not a black and white referendum] on consitutional matters such as this, which really require an educated... dare I say elite, or intelligentsia, to mull over the complex historical issues at stake.
Tightening of all the labour laws meant that people had to work extremely hard to get extra crumbs. Good for productivity but totally unfair as far as remuneration is concerned
Who the heck is Moana Maniapoto? Go David Seymour!......The Heo Peeo Report! Can we mere people, second rate pakeha citizen, but please give the opportunity to read this document!
How can anybody argue against equal rights for all ????.ALL New Zealanders should get the same deal , until that happens this country will remain divided....ITS TIME TO MOVE ON!....enough of the tail wagging the dog.
Yea it's mind blowing that people are against being equal. And it's somehow controversial.
This is typical of predjudiced people . When asked to give an example say they will come back to you on that. In other words the examples need to be researched yet her opinions are formed as if she knew them already. This is blatant bandwagon politics. She just likes the publicity of beating someone over an opinion based on an impression she has. Her opinions are not based on facts but emotional impressions which she hopes the facts will support. She gives women a bad name as emotional only and hormonal.
Seymore doesnt believe in statistics they dont further his ambitions. Seymore is so wrong on winston he mustve eaten humblie pie when he joined coalition.
What ridiculous comments about prisons are not work. Can you please tell me which developed country in the world doesn’t have prison.
Jules elder wrote an excellant book years ago i think it was called the pakeha papers.
How much maori can david speak and read?
A liberal democracy, one person one vote, is the best option for a fair NZ, say no to twin governance.
At least three of the 75 NZ iwi are billionaires, but how much equal redistributing of their wealth to the poorest iwi do they undertake? A liberal democracy promises a fairer nation than tribal hierarchies.
I want to live in an NZ with equal opportunities, social mobility and a safety net based on need not race.
He wont speak about Te Tiriti, He reflects a kupapa perspective for the corporation
Moana, Moana , you'r on ur own. Too much Holywood.
You know Moana, thank you for the interview. Didn’t realise how much sense he made…I’m keen