The reason why people who actually suffers from social anxiety rate this show so highly is because it depicts the illness really well. When the show wants to be funny, it delivery the sentiment really well. But it's when it takes itself seriously that it really shines. You can see Hitori's social anxiety in the small details of how her character acts and even in the voice acting (subtle stutters, random changes of both voice pitch and the speed in wich she talks). But what is awesome is her subtly and realistic growth during every episode. She gets more confortable to talk to the band and also starts to get proactive. Sadly those details are one visible to those who are very familiar with the illness, and will fly under the radar of most people. For introvertes who are not familiar with social anxiety a lot of things will still hit close to home, so you can still enjoy a big part of the anime. But there's people that legit thing that Hitori's illness/personality is just a comedy gimick. For them the emotinal momments won't hit because they can't understand Gotou's struggle to begin with. Consequence of social anxiety begin a illness very little talked about.
yeah this anime is strikes so close to home its scary. the number of anime or shows in general with characters that are as spot on with social anxiety and introverts is bocchi is next to nothing
This is why I love bocchi; I had bad social anxiety and I relate sm to hitori. Ngl seeing a character like this makes me so happy and it's so comforting
One of the things I love most about Bocchi the Rock is the way it distinguishes "introversion" and "social anxiety" by juxtaposing Bocchi with someone who is actually a loner by choice (Ryo)
@@RedRocket4000 Regardless of her desire for more social interactions, it's clear that "hanging out with people" isn't her default status. She needs her time alone ton,"recharge"
My general take is this: Ryo = Introvert without social anxiety (just like me fr) Nijika = Extrovert without social anxiety Kita = Extrovert with social anxiety Hitori = Introvert with social anxiety
Yes exactly 🤩!! Kita does have some social anxiety bc she is always worried about what ppl think about her so she always tries to show her best side and when she thinks she could fail she runs away from problems bc she can’t deal with it, but her lvl of anxiety isn’t as devastating as Boochi, but everyone can feel some lvl of social anxiety no matter if they are introverts or extroverts 👌
Your small little rant about Kita being the best girl in the series for wanting to support Bocchi wholeheartedly made me want to comment. I love you for that. Hell yea
People need to understand that even though she have social anxiety, she still an introvert. The four temperaments of introvert/extrovert chart explain everything the roles characters in Bocchi the rock, Bocchi= Unstable introverted, Ryo= Stable introverted, Kita= Unstable extroverted and Nijika=stable extroverted. The major differences between Ryo and Bocchi is not just of the social anxiety but also unlike Ryo who comfortable to be the way she is, Bocchi is not and wishes to change. Ryo who dislike to be around people and Bocchi who afraid to be around people, both introverted but in different spectrum. I know this because I'm half Ryo and half Bocchi as I dislike to be around people but also sometimes I'm afraid to be around people.
@Some Guy People need to understand that comments like you are extremely pointless and kinda sad. Comment about the video or reply about the comment is for more sensible person, but for someone like you who is trying to belittle on how the person who commented just for trying to feel better about yourself is just sad. Don't worry, I don't feel sad for you, it's just a sad fact that most people like to do.
It's not binary but rather a spectrum, Hitori is a moderated introvert while Ryou is extreme. You can see this how Gotou wants to socialize and be popular, but trembles at the idea of seeing Kita everyday of the winter vacation. People usually mistakes her symptoms with her begin more introverted than Ryou. The other girl is happy with just one friend and begin alone most of the time.
This is maybe a really farfetched theory but I think Kita maybe also have social anxiety albeit a little bit different and pretty minor. I'm not a huge extrovert but in a way I kinda emphasized with Kita like how in social gathering I'm more socially upfront because in a way I'm in control of the situation. But when anything bad and awkward happens I felt very anxious and will try to run from the situation asap. You can see like in the beginning instead of apologize and be honest to Ryo and Nijika she run from them instead. The part of her full name being a pun instead of making joke out of it she being self- deprecating instead. And also wave of emotion when she being with bocchi which is idk if it is anxiety, guilt or jealousy. She probably have some sorts of minor abandonment issues and anxious with being out of her comfort zone. She probably hates the fact that some people may dislike her so she try her best to please everyone as much as possible. Makes me wonder if she run after bocchi in the beginning because just really want to interacted with bocchi or she just afraid that someone may dislikes her and run from her. Or this is maybe really dumb and I maybe projecting myself on a anime girl like everyone else here.
I'd say Kita's main character flaw and what you described feels closer to a severe lack of self-confidence and self-value. The reason she has so many friends is because due to her being the "popular girl", a talkative and athletic girl whose life goal is to make the others around her smile, she isn't really socially challenged by the environment around her, she can just "be herself", almost fading into the background as little more than the source of support she aims to be, and everyone claps. she never needed to grow into a better person because the environment around her "loved her the way she was", and as such nurtured positive but ultimately shallow interactions with others, and she never needed to become someone who loved herself, because her living to the benefit of others was enough. Kessoku Band forced Kita to become a better person, because the people on it were innately different from "her people". She was forced to face uncomfortable situations one after the other, from minor ones like her failure to convince people with her positivity to take the stairs in the Enoshima vacation episode to more major ones like her nearly jeopardizing Bocchi and the band with her signing them up to the school fes without prior consensus, without being able to take it back afterwards, and well, the entire "runaway guitarist" thing. There was a very clear distinction between her and everyone else, and that was painted very clearly through her complete lack of guitar knowledge starting out. And yet, those friendships that required her to change so she could be truly there for them ended up becoming by far the most impactful ones on her life. She's willing to spend the entirety of winter break with the band, because they're who she truly cares for. While her character growth has not helped her become an independent person yet, as she now made it her mission to become a better person for the sake of Bocchi and the band, instead of her own, you could still see a very clear distinction on what she was before and what she is now. She was able to improvise on the spot to help the band after realizing what had happened, which showed that despite what she said, she IS able to impress people on her own accord and on her own terms. She just needs help to look at that fact eye to eye. Her character flaws are not as obvious and crippling as Bocchi's, and yet they expertly mirror eachothers' and they grow alongside eachother.
literally two hours after making this comment, i just saw a *very* underrated video essay on BTR that put Kita's situation and her connections to Bocchi in better words than i could ever, and used a LOT more connections that i missed. Look up Bocchi the Rock, Existentialism and Answer by Hakuren.
Yes, kita is extroverted and socially anxious, this isnt a theory, thats just kita, just go look at EuroBrad's review of the anime, literal therapist, kinda reaching with the abandonment issues tho
props to characters like Kita and Nijika, extroverts who are so thoughtful in their approach to Bocchi and try to be supportive friends and are aware of her potential and want to help her realize that and grow but also try to be thoughtful enough to not push Bocchi too far.
Adding Yama No Susume to the watch list right now. Hearing how you broke down Aoi's character really resonated with me, especially that aspect of feeling comfortable within a smaller group and showing that more energetic side to only those few. While, in turn, struggling to be able to act like your true self in-front of others not associated with that group.
I'm quite similar to bocchi in the sense that I want a place where people will accept me. I want to be recognized, I want attention but at the same time I can't handle it if all eyes are on me you know what I'm saying? It's hard to balance it I wanna be left alone at the same time I wanna be on the big stage and earning the praises of my peers. At the end of the day though I would still want my alone time.
You literally described me.. Im the type of person that stays at my room every single day not communicating with other people.. and always only at my phone.. And during social gathering or even at parties, i just hope that i could go home soon so i can go back bed and relax.. But its not like i love being a loner, in fact i hate it.. i wanted to overcome it and try to practice socializing with other people. I dont want people to forget me, i want people to know a trace of my existence. I dont want people to think im not a normal person by not being able to talk. I dont dislike people, its just that at times, when im talking to someone, i dont usually know how to keep up the conversation.. and it makes things super awkward Like you, i like getting attention, but i hate it at the same time.. its like a mix of social anxiety and introversion.. thats why i relate to this anime so much. I just binged watch it today
@@NotaPlagueDoctor300 can I ask how old you are? In elementary school the teacher sent me off to get chalk from another class. So my social skills was 0, I can't disagree and so I had to go. The situation where Bocchi can't go in the starry was me at the door to the other class. I can't go in. I tried as hard I can, but every time I had to get chalk I can't go in. So I returned without chalk. I claimed they don't have chalk either, but they don't believe me (unexpetedly). To my 20s It was impossible for me to go to the salon (even this short line from Bocchi get's me), I had such BAD hairstyle, but it was harder for me to go to the salon as getting the jokes for my hair. Even shopping clothes was so hard and I can't do it bymyself. Also this time, the jokes are easier to live with. The strange about this, even with "friends", I can't grow myself. So I thought I'm a bad being. I can't do it better. And my mental health was getting worse every year. BUT... With people you KNOW they LIKE you. And people who support you, the life can get so much better. Today at 31, I still have this illness. And with the Covid-times it was getting worse, because my practise was getting lower. Now I have some troubles again, but I can shop for myself and go to the hair saloon, work by myself and talk to strangers. But after watching Bocchi I realized, that I have to do more, I realized that I stepped backwards the last years and my mental health is getting worse. And it's very hard, I don't deny. Anyway I have to do this because I'm like Bocchi. I'm no introvert, I'm an extrovert with social axiety and I want so much more self esteem to ridicule myself in the public and laugh about it. Today I tried to go bouldering with a friend. As I saw the walls, my whole motivation was blown away and I was sitting there, I don't dare to boulder. I have a fear of falling, but to ridicule myself with this fear was the problem why I can't do it. So I spent the day watching my friend and his brother bouldering and hating myself for this fail. So I have to do something else to pull more self esteem again. What I want to say is, it will be always there. But you can learn to live with it and with every situation you overcome with will be LESS hard at the next time. And if you have people who like you, maybe you can talk to them and try to get help. I tried to argue at weird situations why I had not to go alone, as I wasn't able to be honest and say that I have these problems and I can't. At the most situations it was possible to convince them. But how easy so many situations could have been when I had the abillity to talk to them, that I need help with this because I can't do it alone... Other thing: Get a hobby you can do by yourself but also with other. Like making music. I learned to play guitar and it gave me SO MUCH self esteem. Not that I have much, but from -1000 to +10 is a hard piece. The thing you can get from it is that other people are impressed even if you can't play really well. And it makes you think about you in an other way, a way where you are more valueable. And this is the biggest power what was getting me more self convident. Knowing I'm not useless in this world. And all step by step. Some steps will feel like it's not even a step, but maybe later you can see it was.
@@NotaPlagueDoctor300 I hope it will help you a bit and you can overcome in more and more situations. One thing I will add is, I never talked to my people about that. Until yesterday. Normally another friend is in this boulder-group and he wanted also to see me boulder. But he is injured and was angry he can't be there. So I wrote him "luckily you are not here", he asked if I had trouble or fail hard. So we wrote about it, but I had to argue around my problems, because no one needs to know. Then he said, that everybody have their own package to take. That he had times where he can't go out because of anxiety. Cannot go to concerts because of it, but he wanted so much. So he has to go small steps to do it and today, even if he has sometimes this fears, he do it anyway and is luckily he did it. This was the moment for me where my mind was blown away, there's another dude in this group that has so much trouble to do such simple things, that I tell him about my fears and this fucking anxiety, stopping me to have fun so many times. There are many people out there, who have bad anxieties and the most of them don't tell anybody and you don't know because if they hadn't grown from it, you can't see them. And he's not a guy where I thought "Okay, this is not surprising me", it surprises me alot. The funny thing about this conversation was, that he was surprised because he was thinking, that I don't care what people think about me. And that's the base-point of this anxiety (for me), the fear what people can think about me in a bad way. I don't know if I can happy about it because I don't look like that, but maybe it's just a self protection. Anyway, I had to laugh about it. So think about it, you are not alone. Bocchi was the wake up call for me, that this is concerning so much people, that they do a fucking anime about it and portrayed it that I was thinking they are showing me my own life. If you want to talk about it, I'm here.
I am both introverted and have social anxiety. I like being alone and choose to do so most of the time, it’s the only way I can truly recharge my social battery. However I also stress out about meeting new people. So much so that I can’t look people I’m not comfortable with in the eye. If I am walking down the hall, I am usually looking down in order to avoid starting a convo with someone. The moment we accidentally make eye contact though they will start talking to me and I will be forced to respond. It usually ends with the person saying “you’re very quiet” or “you don’t say much do you?” But when I am comfortable around you, you quickly find out that I am very outgoing and have a lot to say.
You can sort of overcome your social anxiety, your introversion however is something you will live on with, gotta learn to live with it, you are not that person. dont say you cant look at people, you are stopping yourself, stop creating a narrative for yourself, stop saying ¨I am¨, you dont have to be, it isnt your identity
I think the reason writers often conflate social anxiety and introvertion is because some introverts do go through these things, in their independency from social interactions when confronted with situations where they need to be social they feel anxious because they don't know how to navigate that space as well as an extrovert does. This, however never means an introvert can always be socially anxious. All it needs is a good amount of self-confidence and self-worth to be able to approach these situations head on despite how much of an unknown this space typically is for them. I for one really relate to Ryo in this anime, she prefers to go out on her own, has a small friend group, and shows confidence because she has a very strong image of herself as a bassist so she doesn't need any external validation to boost her own confidence.
And writers combine the two because they are ignorant like the public. But yes social anxiety and shyness can be cured so you have lots of character growth to write about. Stable people are a lot harder to write about thus the stable introvert rarely shows up.
@@RedRocket4000 they combine the 2 because you van be both tf are you saying, and introversion cannot be cured, also introversion is not at all the same as shyness, you ignorant yourself it seems
@@RedRocket4000 I don’t think the writers were confused about the two, otherwise they wouldn’t have a character like Ryo in a show with another introvert precisely to show the difference between the two.
I used to enjoy being alone, but now it just feels so empty, so uncommfrtable, i feel everyone is seeing me even though ive been working in my selfesteem..
Love to hear it, I think it's fine to be introverted and value time to yourself but I think everyone needs interaction with others to some capacity and surrounding yourself with people who care about you is the best thing you can have in life
As someone who's introverted, suffers from social anxiety and is also a pisces (just like Bocchi), I can safely say she's literally me (except I am male). You see Bocchi slaming her head on the floor at 5:17? That's me slapping my own face with my right hand when I realize I am thinking absurd things about the future.
I was once an introvert, now I am a loner with a crippling thirst for meaningful social interaction and not much ability for it. It just didn't do it for me back then, until I found how great it can be.
You are still an introvert. Everyone has a quota of social interaction they need, even introverts. Introverts have a lower quota compared to extroverts. Desiring human interaction doesn’t disqualify you from being an introvert.
if bocchi were to overcome social anxiety she probably wouldn't have as strong of a desire for social contact due to a higher self esteem not needing other to contantly praise her to feel like an actual person an introvert can totally dream of fame and attention also
Yes she's and example like Ryo of the true introvert as Bocchi points out wanting tons of alone time but able to function well in public and groups when needed. In movie you see Rin working in an office with co workers no problems
There is nothing unusual in being introverted. It is character trait. Every human is on spectrum: introverted - extroverted. On the other hand social anxiety is disorder. It is strongly corelated with introvercy, but it is different animal. You may be extremely introverted and be able to manage social situations.
I'd call bocchi an introvert. I am very much introverted, I get mentally exhausted talking to people for a long time and just need to be alone to recharge, I love talking to people I know like my family though again after a while I get tired mentally, I definitely also have social anxiety and find it nearly impossible to talk to new people unless I'm pushed to in some way, yet at the same time as all that I dream about playing at massife stadiums and festivals, it's my #1 goal right now and I would do anything to get there In other words: She's just like me fr (except more exaggerated) Edit: also would like to say (like most people) I'm not completely introverted and like to have at least a few friends I regularely talk to (online cause my living situation makes it hard to meet people) otherwise I'd just be sad all the time
The word is "inkya" which is not easy to translate. It contains "introversion" but also many different aspects. Try searching up "inkya and youkya" to see what words they really used.
introvert and social anxiety are tied together for the simple fact that introverts naturally get less experience with social interaction. I'm an introvert that doesn't have social anxiety most likely cause I have 5 siblings and had to do a lot of socializing as I grew up. I'm comfortable around people but find it tiring and like nothing more then small hangouts or being alone.
After some thinking, I feel like I used to be like Bocchi as a kid which slowly changed into becoming like Ryo as I grew up. I wouldn’t say I have extreme social anxiety, but I sure as hell did not know how to speak to anyone which just leads others to not know how to talk to me either. While I used to think I needed many friends to feel satisfied with my self-worth, the few friends that I do have and cherished showed me that it’s okay just having a few.
I don't know how much this contributed to the whole "introvertion" idea but I was rewatching episode 1 the other day and during that musical band interview that motivates Bocchi to become a rock star to gain friends and popularity, the band member says: 'a band is the kind of place where introverts like me can shine'. I don't know if this is the subtitle that everyone got or if it's the most accurate translation to the original Japanese, but seeing Bocchi's immediate imspiration-filled reaction could definately help fill in the fact that she though "ah ha! I too am an intorvert. So this will be a great idea!" even though the word "introvert" may not have been the key word she was reacting to. Not to say that what the band member is talking about was wrong, that can totally be true for introverts while also being true for people with social anxiety **as well**. People are rarely concious of using psycologically accurate terms. Just say what makes sense to them colloquially, that's enough right? So I'm curious if there was a miscommunication in the text of the show as well, or maybe just the text of the subtitler, or none at all.
It says 陰キャ (Inkya, the kanji being the same as in Yin and Yang) in the Japanese voice, which would indeed be usually translated as "introvert" by most people.
The key ticker I use to figure that Bocchi is at least somewhat introverted comes from the end of Episode 1, when she gets invited to an afterparty and she peaces out because she's emotionally exhausted from having been around people for so long. Granted, I'm sure that social anxiety can cause that reaction on its own, but I find that to be one halfof the defining characteristic of my own introversion.
Yes and no because it does not match Bochi's dreams of herself the confident in public social person. She see this as a out not realizing that person is a Ryo they bear with public appearances as part of the job but avoid the public and large gatherings except when they preform.
Bocchi is introverted, i dont know where you people are getting the idea she cant be socially anxious and introverted when you can be both, they are completely unrelated, infact look at kita who is also socially anxious but is extroverted, difference being, bocchi wants to avoid social interaction and kita wants to appeal as much as she can too people, they are presented as polar opposites but they are both very similar. How is this still debated A FUCKING PSICHOLOGYST AND A THERAPIST HAVE ALREADY REACTED TO THE SHOW, they agree with this
Just want to say thank you so much for making videos about this show!! I wouldn't have watched it otherwise and it's definitely now an all time favourite for me. All the different ways they used animation to show bocchis emotions and the take it had on social anxiety in general was such a breathe of fresh air. Especially compared to newer anime titles like Komi can't communicate (which I love btw, but-) which does explore how the person with social feels, but more so is just how a different character (the main one not being the person with social anxiety to boot,) SEES their behavior and uses that to explain how social anxiety feels, which is much less reliable. (Plus plz no one hurt me over this but bocchi definitely feels like k-on but MORE to me. Like I love k-on too but I really wished it added more depth to the characters and had more of the music side of things)
K-On was special precisely because it didn’t have growth arcs. It was a show about normal people going through change even when things don’t seem to change. Even in Liz and Blue Bird it’s hard to say the characters grew in a positive way even though they changed. That being said the show’s creators were definitely aware the K-On comparisons were inevitable. That’s why their approach was so radically opposed to industry standards, just like K-On did a decade back
THANK YOU. I CANNOT SAY THIS ENOUGH. I don't usually comment on videos, but I really do have to thank you for making this video. I've seen so many people wrongly label Hitori as an introvert, and as gatekeepy as it sounds, it feels like many people just didn't really get the show when they watched it. Like, there's literally a whole scene with Hitori and Ryo about the difference between "the loner" and "the lonely"! And it's such a shame that some people ignore her character arc and development and dismiss her as some generic "shy girl", when there's really so much more than that. I struggle with social anxiety myself, and BtR really hit the mark. Like really, not even 10 seconds into the first episode and I was hooked, it was like the moment of realization that "Oh shit, this GETS me." (Edit: sorry for the super long nonsensical maniacal rant, i just got wayyy too excited that someone finally made a video focused on this aspect of the show lol)
I appreciate the rant!! I think it's understandable to mix up the two but yeah that's really why I wanted to make the video because I think the series is saying a lot of interesting things about the distinction between the two and I think it's just great perspective to have even just for the real world.
i confirm this ks what i actually feel as someone who has social anxiety but i would react so dramatically because of my social anxiety too, i would be scared of how people would actually judge me
For me I was diagnosed with general anxiety and it was almost socal anxiety at a very young age, which pushed me to being an introvert because either was too much work and hard for me to do but now as I get older I realize that I do want to be known and have people consider me their friend but that's hard because of my social anxiety and my introversion pulls me away more. I do have friends BTW, just not a lot lol. I hope the few that will read this understands this ramble.
What about both? I feel like I am there. After years and years of being lonely, practically begging to the skies to have just one really good best friend or a partner that would put me as their first in their list of people to hang out with, it finally happened. Now I am in a happy relasionship, but strangers still remain a burden.
i have social anxiety so i obviously prefer being alone to not be anxious but i hate not being able to socialise whenever i want, because i see people who like being alone but are constantly being pushed to be with people while im here waiting for someone who will never come because i cant start conversations😅
Bocchi the Rock is so RELATABLE. I can find my self in this anime because I'm also kind of INTROVERT, and I know most people who are introvert feel better when they watch BTR because as I said, INTROVERTS can find themselves through this series, one of the reasons that made this anime become the anime of the year 2022.
Well I loved this anime. In the end, as helpful as it is to label Bocchi's condition correctly, I just saw her as an individual not defined by whatever that label is, but an alternately maddening and endearing character-socially anxious, yes, but also incredibly talented, and ambitious, and brave, and all the rest...
Watching this video (writing when haven't finished video) found out introversion and social anxiety is different things. But probably I also think both to some degree can apply to same person. Like me not getting the job because I have social anixiety (but also more reasons) to some degree because I'm introvent. Also there was confusion about Bocchi beeing introvent and having social anixiety because she saw band member saying he is introvert iirc.
The fact is Bocchi is an introvert, you can see this when she's actually able to overcome her social anxiety, she still prefers to do things in a small group & social activities exhaust her (Enoshima trip).
To early to say as that does not match her dreams and her awareness that part of her might be an attention monster. So does what she can do a small step. As she overcomes that tiredness will go away. Ryo is the true introvert and the trip did not wear her out.
being introverted doesnt mean you get worn out by social interaction, it means you spend more time on your thoughts than with the people you are with, dont know who is the mofo that said introversion meant you got worn out when with others, bocchi is the literal definition of introversion, she literally gets trapped in her thoughts all the time its a running gag even
Also, work has been done lately to reclassify the spectrum between the terms introvert and extrovert, such as the terms "ambivert" and "omnivert", which it sounds like the character you bring up 6:32 is more of an ambivert, but I haven't watched that show. I think it's fine to just point at the show itself for an example: Ryou is a pretty decent introvert character that doesn't have the crippling social anxiety. And also is best girl dont @ me
I do relate- sometimes I walk into stores head banging to avoid conversation I'm cringing rn Bocchi is literally me. No other character can come close to relating to me like her. There is no way you can convince me that I’m not Bocchi. Bocchi could not possibly be any more me. It’s me, and nobody can convince me otherwise. If anyone approached me about this not possibly being me, I immediately shut them down with overwhelming evidence that Bocchi was me. Bocchi is absolutely me; it is indisputable. Why anyone would try to argue that Bocchi is not me is beyond me. If you held two pictures of me and Bocchi side by side, you’d see no difference. I can safely look at Bocchi every day and say, “Yup, she’s me.” I can practically see Bocchi whenever I look at myself in the mirror. I go outside, and people stop me from commenting on how similar I look and act as Bocchi is. I chuckle softly as I’m assured every day Bocchi is me in every way. I can smile each time I get out of bed each morning, knowing that I’ve found my identity with Bocchi and I know my place in this world. It’s amusing how similar she is to me; it’s almost like identical twins. When I first saw Bocchi, I had an existential crisis. What it Bocchi was the real me and I was the fictional being? What if she actually became aware of my existence? Did she have the ability to become self-aware?
1:06 She’s me tho, she’s me except I don’t go outside and take medication for anxiety Edit: And Bocchi wasn’t made fun of for how she is, if she was, then I’d feel like complete shit. And media doesn’t normally encapsulate the feeling of social anxiety. It’s normally portrayed as “Oopsie I can’t talk to people lots and am awkward and am so quirky!” when it isn’t, for me it can be classified as a disability and seeing it portrayed as just that makes me want to just cry
I had myself fight if I had social anxiety but I neglected it and said "it's just intervention" guess how did that go... I didn't expect this to play next I haven't watched bochi the rock yet I Don't have that much time I mean I'll be leaving again in 8:00pm
I see your Aoi from Yama no Susume and I raise you a Shima Rin from Yuru Camp! Check mate, blackjack, 21, GO, UNO, whatever other indication of me having completely won this "argument" cause Rin is the best 😎
how i understand it when she has a SA (social anxiety) attack or has one of those silly scenes the creators are trying to represent how shes feeling not so much what actually would happen aka they exaggerate it
I'm deeply enraged by the first few seconds of the video but I wanna lay it to you gently. Yes, that's right, ぼ is the hiragana for "bo". But the way you're pronouncing it is ぼう/bou. Japanese vowels are pretty static, a in apple, i in indian, u in ultra, e in energy, o in orange.
Yes ぼ is "bo", so your pronunciation mistake is twofold: 1. you are saying it like "bou", which would look closest to ぼう and 2. it actually says ぼっ which is "bo" followed by that glottal stop leading into doubling next syllable, "chi", hence "bocchi". You are saying "bouchi".
If i will say about my life then yeah i was an introvert back then but when i tried to be social later on i felt some kind of problems dealing and approaching ppl Still now i feel that since my introvertness took me away my social interaction which if i would have done before it could have been better today dealing with other ppl
4:02 Her name is read as [R'-yo:] as in _yo_gurt, my friend. I would really suggest checking out the Tofugo's guide to hiragana and katakana and Imabi's guide to pronounciation of Japanese, and by extension check out romaji, since you're making anime-related videos. It's something that your target audience will _not_ compromise on. Sorry for being a pain, I just believe that's really be useful to you. Great video otherwise, thanks, I sub!
Uhm. Why would you say that Aoi is introverted? She has social anxieties and suffered some kind of trauma from breaking her arm, turning her into some kind of shut-in. But that isn't introversion. She doesn't exhaust herself from social interactions, unlike Bocchi.
The problem with your pronunciation is assuming that ぼ [bo] in Japanese is pronounced the same as bo [boɯ] would be pronounced in English. There's no diphthong in Japanese for the syllable; if there was it would be written as ぼう [boɯ].
I'm sure you've already seen the comments, but the people correcting your pronounciation of ぼ were unfortunately correct, it should have a softer o as in bottle/box rather than a harder o like bow which would be ぼう. Still, your analysis of the anime is great!
Thanks for two Bocchi videos now. I'm not sure why people gave you a hard time for ぼ... did they think it's "ba"? "boo"? I am sorry I haven't been as active in your discord... I felt a bit pushed away by some of the folks in there because of their AI art stances... I finished Healer Girl, and I cried every episode. Was my top 3 of 2022. Thank you again for that video.
he *is* pronouncing it wrong tho the o in 'bo' is more like the o in 'bot' or 'song', not the o in 'bow' or 'road' and the 'cch' in 'cchi' should be duplicated so what hes saying sounds like "bow-chee" whereas its supposed to be "boh-cchee" (/bottɕi/ rather than /boʊtʃi/ if you can read that)
@Kasreti I agree that he's definitely not pronouncing the double consonant in "cchi" right, so I guess I have to back down. And his o in "bo" is a bit long as a result. Honestly his accent is butchering the pronunciation for him. However if what you're saying is that the "bo" should sound like "bah" then I'll have to disagree there. Just listen to how the cast of the show say it. It's ぼっち (bocchi), not ばっち (bacchi). If it I misunderstood, then ignore all that plz lol
I think Bocchi herself put it best: It's the difference between the "loner" and the "lonely".
I am the loner, I guess. But I feel lonely sometimes.
@@hieioni3354same, but i enjoy my alone time the most
@@Vaihly So you're like Ryo, huh?
@@hieioni3354 No im not musically talented, and im actually very talkative, i just like being alone
@@Vaihly Oh I meant Ryo likes to be alone. And that's nice that you're talkative. Do you like to talk on discord?
The reason why people who actually suffers from social anxiety rate this show so highly is because it depicts the illness really well. When the show wants to be funny, it delivery the sentiment really well. But it's when it takes itself seriously that it really shines.
You can see Hitori's social anxiety in the small details of how her character acts and even in the voice acting (subtle stutters, random changes of both voice pitch and the speed in wich she talks). But what is awesome is her subtly and realistic growth during every episode. She gets more confortable to talk to the band and also starts to get proactive.
Sadly those details are one visible to those who are very familiar with the illness, and will fly under the radar of most people. For introvertes who are not familiar with social anxiety a lot of things will still hit close to home, so you can still enjoy a big part of the anime.
But there's people that legit thing that Hitori's illness/personality is just a comedy gimick. For them the emotinal momments won't hit because they can't understand Gotou's struggle to begin with. Consequence of social anxiety begin a illness very little talked about.
yeah this anime is strikes so close to home its scary. the number of anime or shows in general with characters that are as spot on with social anxiety and introverts is bocchi is next to nothing
Well thought out.
This is why I love bocchi; I had bad social anxiety and I relate sm to hitori. Ngl seeing a character like this makes me so happy and it's so comforting
One of the things I love most about Bocchi the Rock is the way it distinguishes "introversion" and "social anxiety" by juxtaposing Bocchi with someone who is actually a loner by choice (Ryo)
As Bocchi states she's a fake introvert.
@@RedRocket4000 when did she say that?
@@RedRocket4000 she never said that
bocchi herself said she was an introvert, also did the therapist and psychologist who reviewed the show
@@RedRocket4000 Regardless of her desire for more social interactions, it's clear that "hanging out with people" isn't her default status. She needs her time alone ton,"recharge"
My general take is this:
Ryo = Introvert without social anxiety (just like me fr)
Nijika = Extrovert without social anxiety
Kita = Extrovert with social anxiety
Hitori = Introvert with social anxiety
kita with social anxiety?? tf are you smoking 💀💀💀💀💀
Yes exactly 🤩!! Kita does have some social anxiety bc she is always worried about what ppl think about her so she always tries to show her best side and when she thinks she could fail she runs away from problems bc she can’t deal with it, but her lvl of anxiety isn’t as devastating as Boochi, but everyone can feel some lvl of social anxiety no matter if they are introverts or extroverts 👌
Kita doesn’t have social anxiety she’s just too gay
@@comet4001 it seems you watched the amine blindfolded.
Your small little rant about Kita being the best girl in the series for wanting to support Bocchi wholeheartedly made me want to comment. I love you for that. Hell yea
People need to understand that even though she have social anxiety, she still an introvert. The four temperaments of introvert/extrovert chart explain everything the roles characters in Bocchi the rock, Bocchi= Unstable introverted, Ryo= Stable introverted, Kita= Unstable extroverted and Nijika=stable extroverted. The major differences between Ryo and Bocchi is not just of the social anxiety but also unlike Ryo who comfortable to be the way she is, Bocchi is not and wishes to change. Ryo who dislike to be around people and Bocchi who afraid to be around people, both introverted but in different spectrum. I know this because I'm half Ryo and half Bocchi as I dislike to be around people but also sometimes I'm afraid to be around people.
Seen two comments on 2 different videos from you that start with “people need to understand”
How about you enlighten us sir/ma’am
@Some Guy People need to understand that comments like you are extremely pointless and kinda sad. Comment about the video or reply about the comment is for more sensible person, but for someone like you who is trying to belittle on how the person who commented just for trying to feel better about yourself is just sad. Don't worry, I don't feel sad for you, it's just a sad fact that most people like to do.
@@qizeaqfile lmao belittle you? Bruh you’re overly emotional. Have a good day
It's not binary but rather a spectrum, Hitori is a moderated introvert while Ryou is extreme. You can see this how Gotou wants to socialize and be popular, but trembles at the idea of seeing Kita everyday of the winter vacation. People usually mistakes her symptoms with her begin more introverted than Ryou. The other girl is happy with just one friend and begin alone most of the time.
@@qizeaqfile you have issues
This is maybe a really farfetched theory but I think Kita maybe also have social anxiety albeit a little bit different and pretty minor. I'm not a huge extrovert but in a way I kinda emphasized with Kita like how in social gathering I'm more socially upfront because in a way I'm in control of the situation. But when anything bad and awkward happens I felt very anxious and will try to run from the situation asap.
You can see like in the beginning instead of apologize and be honest to Ryo and Nijika she run from them instead. The part of her full name being a pun instead of making joke out of it she being self- deprecating instead. And also wave of emotion when she being with bocchi which is idk if it is anxiety, guilt or jealousy.
She probably have some sorts of minor abandonment issues and anxious with being out of her comfort zone. She probably hates the fact that some people may dislike her so she try her best to please everyone as much as possible.
Makes me wonder if she run after bocchi in the beginning because just really want to interacted with bocchi or she just afraid that someone may dislikes her and run from her.
Or this is maybe really dumb and I maybe projecting myself on a anime girl like everyone else here.
I'd say Kita's main character flaw and what you described feels closer to a severe lack of self-confidence and self-value. The reason she has so many friends is because due to her being the "popular girl", a talkative and athletic girl whose life goal is to make the others around her smile, she isn't really socially challenged by the environment around her, she can just "be herself", almost fading into the background as little more than the source of support she aims to be, and everyone claps. she never needed to grow into a better person because the environment around her "loved her the way she was", and as such nurtured positive but ultimately shallow interactions with others, and she never needed to become someone who loved herself, because her living to the benefit of others was enough.
Kessoku Band forced Kita to become a better person, because the people on it were innately different from "her people". She was forced to face uncomfortable situations one after the other, from minor ones like her failure to convince people with her positivity to take the stairs in the Enoshima vacation episode to more major ones like her nearly jeopardizing Bocchi and the band with her signing them up to the school fes without prior consensus, without being able to take it back afterwards, and well, the entire "runaway guitarist" thing. There was a very clear distinction between her and everyone else, and that was painted very clearly through her complete lack of guitar knowledge starting out.
And yet, those friendships that required her to change so she could be truly there for them ended up becoming by far the most impactful ones on her life. She's willing to spend the entirety of winter break with the band, because they're who she truly cares for.
While her character growth has not helped her become an independent person yet, as she now made it her mission to become a better person for the sake of Bocchi and the band, instead of her own, you could still see a very clear distinction on what she was before and what she is now. She was able to improvise on the spot to help the band after realizing what had happened, which showed that despite what she said, she IS able to impress people on her own accord and on her own terms. She just needs help to look at that fact eye to eye. Her character flaws are not as obvious and crippling as Bocchi's, and yet they expertly mirror eachothers' and they grow alongside eachother.
literally two hours after making this comment, i just saw a *very* underrated video essay on BTR that put Kita's situation and her connections to Bocchi in better words than i could ever, and used a LOT more connections that i missed. Look up Bocchi the Rock, Existentialism and Answer by Hakuren.
Absolutely, imo. Chapter 41 of the manga, especially the third-to-last strip, really confirms it.
Yes, kita is extroverted and socially anxious, this isnt a theory, thats just kita, just go look at EuroBrad's review of the anime, literal therapist, kinda reaching with the abandonment issues tho
props to characters like Kita and Nijika, extroverts who are so thoughtful in their approach to Bocchi and try to be supportive friends and are aware of her potential and want to help her realize that and grow but also try to be thoughtful enough to not push Bocchi too far.
Adding Yama No Susume to the watch list right now. Hearing how you broke down Aoi's character really resonated with me, especially that aspect of feeling comfortable within a smaller group and showing that more energetic side to only those few. While, in turn, struggling to be able to act like your true self in-front of others not associated with that group.
I'm quite similar to bocchi in the sense that I want a place where people will accept me. I want to be recognized, I want attention but at the same time I can't handle it if all eyes are on me you know what I'm saying? It's hard to balance it I wanna be left alone at the same time I wanna be on the big stage and earning the praises of my peers. At the end of the day though I would still want my alone time.
Well, you can choose to go out of your comfort zone slowly, and gradually try to change. You can do it :)
You literally described me..
Im the type of person that stays at my room every single day not communicating with other people.. and always only at my phone..
And during social gathering or even at parties, i just hope that i could go home soon so i can go back bed and relax..
But its not like i love being a loner, in fact i hate it.. i wanted to overcome it and try to practice socializing with other people. I dont want people to forget me, i want people to know a trace of my existence. I dont want people to think im not a normal person by not being able to talk.
I dont dislike people, its just that at times, when im talking to someone, i dont usually know how to keep up the conversation.. and it makes things super awkward
Like you, i like getting attention, but i hate it at the same time.. its like a mix of social anxiety and introversion.. thats why i relate to this anime so much.
I just binged watch it today
@@NotaPlagueDoctor300 can I ask how old you are?
In elementary school the teacher sent me off to get chalk from another class. So my social skills was 0, I can't disagree and so I had to go. The situation where Bocchi can't go in the starry was me at the door to the other class. I can't go in. I tried as hard I can, but every time I had to get chalk I can't go in. So I returned without chalk. I claimed they don't have chalk either, but they don't believe me (unexpetedly).
To my 20s It was impossible for me to go to the salon (even this short line from Bocchi get's me), I had such BAD hairstyle, but it was harder for me to go to the salon as getting the jokes for my hair.
Even shopping clothes was so hard and I can't do it bymyself. Also this time, the jokes are easier to live with.
The strange about this, even with "friends", I can't grow myself. So I thought I'm a bad being. I can't do it better. And my mental health was getting worse every year.
BUT... With people you KNOW they LIKE you. And people who support you, the life can get so much better. Today at 31, I still have this illness. And with the Covid-times it was getting worse, because my practise was getting lower. Now I have some troubles again, but I can shop for myself and go to the hair saloon, work by myself and talk to strangers. But after watching Bocchi I realized, that I have to do more, I realized that I stepped backwards the last years and my mental health is getting worse. And it's very hard, I don't deny. Anyway I have to do this because I'm like Bocchi. I'm no introvert, I'm an extrovert with social axiety and I want so much more self esteem to ridicule myself in the public and laugh about it.
Today I tried to go bouldering with a friend. As I saw the walls, my whole motivation was blown away and I was sitting there, I don't dare to boulder. I have a fear of falling, but to ridicule myself with this fear was the problem why I can't do it. So I spent the day watching my friend and his brother bouldering and hating myself for this fail.
So I have to do something else to pull more self esteem again.
What I want to say is, it will be always there. But you can learn to live with it and with every situation you overcome with will be LESS hard at the next time. And if you have people who like you, maybe you can talk to them and try to get help. I tried to argue at weird situations why I had not to go alone, as I wasn't able to be honest and say that I have these problems and I can't. At the most situations it was possible to convince them. But how easy so many situations could have been when I had the abillity to talk to them, that I need help with this because I can't do it alone...
Other thing: Get a hobby you can do by yourself but also with other. Like making music. I learned to play guitar and it gave me SO MUCH self esteem. Not that I have much, but from -1000 to +10 is a hard piece. The thing you can get from it is that other people are impressed even if you can't play really well. And it makes you think about you in an other way, a way where you are more valueable. And this is the biggest power what was getting me more self convident. Knowing I'm not useless in this world.
And all step by step. Some steps will feel like it's not even a step, but maybe later you can see it was.
@@kampfkuchen91 jesus, you explained it very well. Thank you, have a good day
@@NotaPlagueDoctor300 I hope it will help you a bit and you can overcome in more and more situations.
One thing I will add is, I never talked to my people about that. Until yesterday. Normally another friend is in this boulder-group and he wanted also to see me boulder. But he is injured and was angry he can't be there.
So I wrote him "luckily you are not here", he asked if I had trouble or fail hard. So we wrote about it, but I had to argue around my problems, because no one needs to know. Then he said, that everybody have their own package to take. That he had times where he can't go out because of anxiety. Cannot go to concerts because of it, but he wanted so much. So he has to go small steps to do it and today, even if he has sometimes this fears, he do it anyway and is luckily he did it.
This was the moment for me where my mind was blown away, there's another dude in this group that has so much trouble to do such simple things, that I tell him about my fears and this fucking anxiety, stopping me to have fun so many times.
There are many people out there, who have bad anxieties and the most of them don't tell anybody and you don't know because if they hadn't grown from it, you can't see them. And he's not a guy where I thought "Okay, this is not surprising me", it surprises me alot.
The funny thing about this conversation was, that he was surprised because he was thinking, that I don't care what people think about me. And that's the base-point of this anxiety (for me), the fear what people can think about me in a bad way. I don't know if I can happy about it because I don't look like that, but maybe it's just a self protection. Anyway, I had to laugh about it.
So think about it, you are not alone. Bocchi was the wake up call for me, that this is concerning so much people, that they do a fucking anime about it and portrayed it that I was thinking they are showing me my own life.
If you want to talk about it, I'm here.
I am both introverted and have social anxiety. I like being alone and choose to do so most of the time, it’s the only way I can truly recharge my social battery. However I also stress out about meeting new people. So much so that I can’t look people I’m not comfortable with in the eye. If I am walking down the hall, I am usually looking down in order to avoid starting a convo with someone. The moment we accidentally make eye contact though they will start talking to me and I will be forced to respond. It usually ends with the person saying “you’re very quiet” or “you don’t say much do you?” But when I am comfortable around you, you quickly find out that I am very outgoing and have a lot to say.
You will be fine. You can deal with it one thing at a time :)
You can sort of overcome your social anxiety, your introversion however is something you will live on with, gotta learn to live with it, you are not that person.
dont say you cant look at people, you are stopping yourself, stop creating a narrative for yourself, stop saying ¨I am¨, you dont have to be, it isnt your identity
I am an introvert WITH social anxiety. I think you hit the points on the nail. There is a difference
Exactly!
As an extrovert I find it hard to relate to bocchi, but she made me appreciate those who do suffer from social anxiety a little more
I think the reason writers often conflate social anxiety and introvertion is because some introverts do go through these things, in their independency from social interactions when confronted with situations where they need to be social they feel anxious because they don't know how to navigate that space as well as an extrovert does. This, however never means an introvert can always be socially anxious. All it needs is a good amount of self-confidence and self-worth to be able to approach these situations head on despite how much of an unknown this space typically is for them. I for one really relate to Ryo in this anime, she prefers to go out on her own, has a small friend group, and shows confidence because she has a very strong image of herself as a bassist so she doesn't need any external validation to boost her own confidence.
And writers combine the two because they are ignorant like the public.
But yes social anxiety and shyness can be cured so you have lots of character growth to write about. Stable people are a lot harder to write about thus the stable introvert rarely shows up.
@@RedRocket4000 they combine the 2 because you van be both tf are you saying, and introversion cannot be cured, also introversion is not at all the same as shyness, you ignorant yourself it seems
@@RedRocket4000 I don’t think the writers were confused about the two, otherwise they wouldn’t have a character like Ryo in a show with another introvert precisely to show the difference between the two.
I used to enjoy being alone, but now it just feels so empty, so uncommfrtable, i feel everyone is seeing me even though ive been working in my selfesteem..
Love to hear it, I think it's fine to be introverted and value time to yourself but I think everyone needs interaction with others to some capacity and surrounding yourself with people who care about you is the best thing you can have in life
As someone who's introverted, suffers from social anxiety and is also a pisces (just like Bocchi), I can safely say she's literally me (except I am male). You see Bocchi slaming her head on the floor at 5:17? That's me slapping my own face with my right hand when I realize I am thinking absurd things about the future.
Bro's just like me fr fr
I was once an introvert, now I am a loner with a crippling thirst for meaningful social interaction and not much ability for it. It just didn't do it for me back then, until I found how great it can be.
You are still an introvert. Everyone has a quota of social interaction they need, even introverts. Introverts have a lower quota compared to extroverts. Desiring human interaction doesn’t disqualify you from being an introvert.
@@pramitpratimdas8198 well that quota has gone up massively
if bocchi were to overcome social anxiety she probably wouldn't have as strong of a desire for social contact due to a higher self esteem not needing other to contantly praise her to feel like an actual person
an introvert can totally dream of fame and attention also
Rin from Yuru camp also seems to be an introvert. But one that doesn't suffer from social anxiety.
Yes she's and example like Ryo of the true introvert as Bocchi points out wanting tons of alone time but able to function well in public and groups when needed. In movie you see Rin working in an office with co workers no problems
@@RedRocket4000 I need to watch that.
There is nothing unusual in being introverted. It is character trait. Every human is on spectrum: introverted - extroverted. On the other hand social anxiety is disorder. It is strongly corelated with introvercy, but it is different animal. You may be extremely introverted and be able to manage social situations.
yes, why do people not understand? she can cure her social anxiety but she will never stop being introverted, she must accept that and live on with it
I'd call bocchi an introvert. I am very much introverted, I get mentally exhausted talking to people for a long time and just need to be alone to recharge, I love talking to people I know like my family though again after a while I get tired mentally, I definitely also have social anxiety and find it nearly impossible to talk to new people unless I'm pushed to in some way, yet at the same time as all that I dream about playing at massife stadiums and festivals, it's my #1 goal right now and I would do anything to get there
In other words:
She's just like me fr (except more exaggerated)
Edit: also would like to say (like most people) I'm not completely introverted and like to have at least a few friends I regularely talk to (online cause my living situation makes it hard to meet people) otherwise I'd just be sad all the time
The word is "inkya" which is not easy to translate. It contains "introversion" but also many different aspects. Try searching up "inkya and youkya" to see what words they really used.
introvert and social anxiety are tied together for the simple fact that introverts naturally get less experience with social interaction. I'm an introvert that doesn't have social anxiety most likely cause I have 5 siblings and had to do a lot of socializing as I grew up. I'm comfortable around people but find it tiring and like nothing more then small hangouts or being alone.
this series actually helped me understand myself more
Can't wait for the next 4 panel visual gag manga to have its anime adaptation, since the anime akin to the genre has been bangers visually.
also somewhere in ep3-5 Domesticated looking rocker dude was portraid as "introversion" than bocchis "Anxiety"
I think Ms. Aki understand social anxiety and introversion well enough to create bocchi. Bocchi reminds me of my past self sm. I love bocchi
After some thinking, I feel like I used to be like Bocchi as a kid which slowly changed into becoming like Ryo as I grew up.
I wouldn’t say I have extreme social anxiety, but I sure as hell did not know how to speak to anyone which just leads others to not know how to talk to me either. While I used to think I needed many friends to feel satisfied with my self-worth, the few friends that I do have and cherished showed me that it’s okay just having a few.
I don't know how much this contributed to the whole "introvertion" idea but I was rewatching episode 1 the other day and during that musical band interview that motivates Bocchi to become a rock star to gain friends and popularity, the band member says: 'a band is the kind of place where introverts like me can shine'.
I don't know if this is the subtitle that everyone got or if it's the most accurate translation to the original Japanese, but seeing Bocchi's immediate imspiration-filled reaction could definately help fill in the fact that she though "ah ha! I too am an intorvert. So this will be a great idea!" even though the word "introvert" may not have been the key word she was reacting to. Not to say that what the band member is talking about was wrong, that can totally be true for introverts while also being true for people with social anxiety **as well**. People are rarely concious of using psycologically accurate terms. Just say what makes sense to them colloquially, that's enough right? So I'm curious if there was a miscommunication in the text of the show as well, or maybe just the text of the subtitler, or none at all.
It says 陰キャ (Inkya, the kanji being the same as in Yin and Yang) in the Japanese voice, which would indeed be usually translated as "introvert" by most people.
The key ticker I use to figure that Bocchi is at least somewhat introverted comes from the end of Episode 1, when she gets invited to an afterparty and she peaces out because she's emotionally exhausted from having been around people for so long. Granted, I'm sure that social anxiety can cause that reaction on its own, but I find that to be one halfof the defining characteristic of my own introversion.
Social anxiety isn't a very well know illness, so a LOT of people mistakes it for introversion or shyness.
Yes and no because it does not match Bochi's dreams of herself the confident in public social person. She see this as a out not realizing that person is a Ryo they bear with public appearances as part of the job but avoid the public and large gatherings except when they preform.
Bocchi is introverted, i dont know where you people are getting the idea she cant be socially anxious and introverted when you can be both, they are completely unrelated, infact look at kita who is also socially anxious but is extroverted, difference being, bocchi wants to avoid social interaction and kita wants to appeal as much as she can too people, they are presented as polar opposites but they are both very similar.
How is this still debated A FUCKING PSICHOLOGYST AND A THERAPIST HAVE ALREADY REACTED TO THE SHOW, they agree with this
Bocchi = Socially anxious, Aoi = Introvert with some social anxiety, Rin Shima = Introvert without social anxiety
Just want to say thank you so much for making videos about this show!! I wouldn't have watched it otherwise and it's definitely now an all time favourite for me. All the different ways they used animation to show bocchis emotions and the take it had on social anxiety in general was such a breathe of fresh air. Especially compared to newer anime titles like Komi can't communicate (which I love btw, but-) which does explore how the person with social feels, but more so is just how a different character (the main one not being the person with social anxiety to boot,) SEES their behavior and uses that to explain how social anxiety feels, which is much less reliable.
(Plus plz no one hurt me over this but bocchi definitely feels like k-on but MORE to me. Like I love k-on too but I really wished it added more depth to the characters and had more of the music side of things)
K-On was special precisely because it didn’t have growth arcs. It was a show about normal people going through change even when things don’t seem to change. Even in Liz and Blue Bird it’s hard to say the characters grew in a positive way even though they changed. That being said the show’s creators were definitely aware the K-On comparisons were inevitable. That’s why their approach was so radically opposed to industry standards, just like K-On did a decade back
THANK YOU. I CANNOT SAY THIS ENOUGH. I don't usually comment on videos, but I really do have to thank you for making this video. I've seen so many people wrongly label Hitori as an introvert, and as gatekeepy as it sounds, it feels like many people just didn't really get the show when they watched it. Like, there's literally a whole scene with Hitori and Ryo about the difference between "the loner" and "the lonely"! And it's such a shame that some people ignore her character arc and development and dismiss her as some generic "shy girl", when there's really so much more than that. I struggle with social anxiety myself, and BtR really hit the mark. Like really, not even 10 seconds into the first episode and I was hooked, it was like the moment of realization that "Oh shit, this GETS me."
(Edit: sorry for the super long nonsensical maniacal rant, i just got wayyy too excited that someone finally made a video focused on this aspect of the show lol)
I appreciate the rant!! I think it's understandable to mix up the two but yeah that's really why I wanted to make the video because I think the series is saying a lot of interesting things about the distinction between the two and I think it's just great perspective to have even just for the real world.
i confirm this ks what i actually feel as someone who has social anxiety but i would react so dramatically because of my social anxiety too, i would be scared of how people would actually judge me
Yes Kita is best girl. Don't you dare convince us otherwise.
For me I was diagnosed with general anxiety and it was almost socal anxiety at a very young age, which pushed me to being an introvert because either was too much work and hard for me to do but now as I get older I realize that I do want to be known and have people consider me their friend but that's hard because of my social anxiety and my introversion pulls me away more. I do have friends BTW, just not a lot lol. I hope the few that will read this understands this ramble.
What about both? I feel like I am there.
After years and years of being lonely, practically begging to the skies to have just one really good best friend or a partner that would put me as their first in their list of people to hang out with, it finally happened. Now I am in a happy relasionship, but strangers still remain a burden.
Another character that I think demonstrates a reserved and introverted nature would be Koguma from "Super Cub."
i have social anxiety so i obviously prefer being alone to not be anxious but i hate not being able to socialise whenever i want, because i see people who like being alone but are constantly being pushed to be with people while im here waiting for someone who will never come because i cant start conversations😅
Bocchi and Yama no Susume in one video ? I kneel.
I am an Introvert without social anxiety, however i hate how the anxiety kick sometime
Bocchi the Rock is so RELATABLE. I can find my self in this anime because I'm also kind of INTROVERT, and I know most people who are introvert feel better when they watch BTR because as I said, INTROVERTS can find themselves through this series, one of the reasons that made this anime become the anime of the year 2022.
Literally no one pronounces that hiragana as "bow" wtf
Seems relatable to me like i want to rewatch it multiple times
Wooo Nice vid, cant wait to video about YnS, it was great watch on server not so long ago. Have a great day
What is said: "..that is the hiragana for bo"
What I hear: "..that is the hiragana for boue"
Jokes aside, great video!
Well I loved this anime. In the end, as helpful as it is to label Bocchi's condition correctly, I just saw her as an individual not defined by whatever that label is, but an alternately maddening and endearing character-socially anxious, yes, but also incredibly talented, and ambitious, and brave, and all the rest...
Beautiful vid Phenomenal sage ❤️💕❤️💕❤️💕❤️💕❤️💕❤️
Watching this video (writing when haven't finished video) found out introversion and social anxiety is different things. But probably I also think both to some degree can apply to same person. Like me not getting the job because I have social anixiety (but also more reasons) to some degree because I'm introvent.
Also there was confusion about Bocchi beeing introvent and having social anixiety because she saw band member saying he is introvert iirc.
The fact is Bocchi is an introvert, you can see this when she's actually able to overcome her social anxiety, she still prefers to do things in a small group & social activities exhaust her (Enoshima trip).
To early to say as that does not match her dreams and her awareness that part of her might be an attention monster.
So does what she can do a small step. As she overcomes that tiredness will go away. Ryo is the true introvert and the trip did not wear her out.
being introverted doesnt mean you get worn out by social interaction, it means you spend more time on your thoughts than with the people you are with, dont know who is the mofo that said introversion meant you got worn out when with others, bocchi is the literal definition of introversion, she literally gets trapped in her thoughts all the time its a running gag even
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When you mentioned well written introverts, I swear you were gonna mention Rin from Yuru Camp
They make it all funny but truly loneliness is such a hard thing to deal with.
"Dont you dare tell me that kita is not best girl"
Kita is not best girl.
Also, work has been done lately to reclassify the spectrum between the terms introvert and extrovert, such as the terms "ambivert" and "omnivert", which it sounds like the character you bring up 6:32 is more of an ambivert, but I haven't watched that show.
I think it's fine to just point at the show itself for an example: Ryou is a pretty decent introvert character that doesn't have the crippling social anxiety. And also is best girl dont @ me
Rule 1: every girl is best girl in bochi the rock
I find terms like ambivert and omnivert so silly.
Great video
Well written Introvert? I might consider Saiki from the Saiki Kusuo no Psi-nan. MF does what he wants.
I do relate- sometimes I walk into stores head banging to avoid conversation I'm cringing rn
Bocchi is literally me. No other character can come close to relating to me like her. There is no way you can convince me that I’m not Bocchi. Bocchi could not possibly be any more me. It’s me, and nobody can convince me otherwise. If anyone approached me about this not possibly being me, I immediately shut them down with overwhelming evidence that Bocchi was me. Bocchi is absolutely me; it is indisputable. Why anyone would try to argue that Bocchi is not me is beyond me. If you held two pictures of me and Bocchi side by side, you’d see no difference. I can safely look at Bocchi every day and say, “Yup, she’s me.” I can practically see Bocchi whenever I look at myself in the mirror. I go outside, and people stop me from commenting on how similar I look and act as Bocchi is. I chuckle softly as I’m assured every day Bocchi is me in every way. I can smile each time I get out of bed each morning, knowing that I’ve found my identity with Bocchi and I know my place in this world. It’s amusing how similar she is to me; it’s almost like identical twins. When I first saw Bocchi, I had an existential crisis. What it Bocchi was the real me and I was the fictional being? What if she actually became aware of my existence? Did she have the ability to become self-aware?
In the manga kita and bocchi are now classmates as 3rd year
The Super Cub anime has a good take in what it means to be introverted.
Nah man best girl is bocchi's dad's guitar
That moment when you're both an introvert and socially anxious 🙃
1:06 She’s me tho, she’s me except I don’t go outside and take medication for anxiety
Edit: And Bocchi wasn’t made fun of for how she is, if she was, then I’d feel like complete shit. And media doesn’t normally encapsulate the feeling of social anxiety. It’s normally portrayed as “Oopsie I can’t talk to people lots and am awkward and am so quirky!” when it isn’t, for me it can be classified as a disability and seeing it portrayed as just that makes me want to just cry
I had myself fight if I had social anxiety but I neglected it and said "it's just intervention" guess how did that go...
I didn't expect this to play next I haven't watched bochi the rock yet I Don't have that much time I mean I'll be leaving again in 8:00pm
I project myself onto Ryo the most
She just like ME FR
Nijika is best girl.
To me introversion is Ryo while social anxiety is Bocchi lol.
I see your Aoi from Yama no Susume and I raise you a Shima Rin from Yuru Camp! Check mate, blackjack, 21, GO, UNO, whatever other indication of me having completely won this "argument" cause Rin is the best 😎
how i understand it when she has a SA (social anxiety) attack or has one of those silly scenes the creators are trying to represent how shes feeling not so much what actually would happen aka they exaggerate it
I'm deeply enraged by the first few seconds of the video but I wanna lay it to you gently. Yes, that's right, ぼ is the hiragana for "bo". But the way you're pronouncing it is ぼう/bou. Japanese vowels are pretty static, a in apple, i in indian, u in ultra, e in energy, o in orange.
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0:20 huh? How did they think “bocchi” was pronounced if not with a “bo”?
If i was the only person in Japan with pink hair, i would be the same ngl
bow-chi the rock
what the hell does this even mean
Yes ぼ is "bo", so your pronunciation mistake is twofold:
1. you are saying it like "bou", which would look closest to ぼう and
2. it actually says ぼっ which is "bo" followed by that glottal stop leading into doubling next syllable, "chi", hence "bocchi". You are saying "bouchi".
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Botchi
If i will say about my life then yeah i was an introvert back then but when i tried to be social later on i felt some kind of problems dealing and approaching ppl
Still now i feel that since my introvertness took me away my social interaction which if i would have done before it could have been better today dealing with other ppl
nah he meant like the hirogana "bo" as in "bo" now "bouw" 😂
Love the Introduction being brief from the previous, a direction that leads to differentiating the diff between two emotional social values.
good video, great work
4:02 Her name is read as [R'-yo:] as in _yo_gurt, my friend. I would really suggest checking out the Tofugo's guide to hiragana and katakana and Imabi's guide to pronounciation of Japanese, and by extension check out romaji, since you're making anime-related videos.
It's something that your target audience will _not_ compromise on.
Sorry for being a pain, I just believe that's really be useful to you.
Great video otherwise, thanks, I sub!
Social anxiety and introversion are not mutually exclusive lol idk why so many people felt the need to correct you on the difference in the last video
Hey I saw your comment
resumen, yo soy bocchi, no me miren
i'd love to hate your take on watamote and tomoko
she's to me what bocchi seems to to be to most others today
same with Komi!
the people correcting your bocchi pronounciation mean it in a "its now bowcchi, its bohcchi." like, pronounce the o like an o- not like owh
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Uhm. Why would you say that Aoi is introverted? She has social anxieties and suffered some kind of trauma from breaking her arm, turning her into some kind of shut-in. But that isn't introversion. She doesn't exhaust herself from social interactions, unlike Bocchi.
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The problem with your pronunciation is assuming that ぼ [bo] in Japanese is pronounced the same as bo [boɯ] would be pronounced in English. There's no diphthong in Japanese for the syllable; if there was it would be written as ぼう [boɯ].
I'm sure you've already seen the comments, but the people correcting your pronounciation of ぼ were unfortunately correct, it should have a softer o as in bottle/box rather than a harder o like bow which would be ぼう. Still, your analysis of the anime is great!
no, Nijika is best girl.
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Thanks for two Bocchi videos now. I'm not sure why people gave you a hard time for ぼ... did they think it's "ba"? "boo"?
I am sorry I haven't been as active in your discord... I felt a bit pushed away by some of the folks in there because of their AI art stances...
I finished Healer Girl, and I cried every episode. Was my top 3 of 2022. Thank you again for that video.
I believe it's moreso because ぼ should be pronounced with a softer o, like in Bottle or Bob rather than the harder O seen in Bow or Boat
He's pronouncing it as "bow" instead of "Bo"
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i have pretty bad social anxiety and asd, and i dont think this is realistic and in my opinion she doesnt even have it that bad
I don't know why people are so mad about that one line.
Kinda makes me want to join the bocchi community less.
anyone who thinks you're pronouncing Bocchi wrong can just go ahead an never leave a comment again lol
he *is* pronouncing it wrong tho
the o in 'bo' is more like the o in 'bot' or 'song', not the o in 'bow' or 'road'
and the 'cch' in 'cchi' should be duplicated
so what hes saying sounds like "bow-chee" whereas its supposed to be "boh-cchee" (/bottɕi/ rather than /boʊtʃi/ if you can read that)
@Kasreti I agree that he's definitely not pronouncing the double consonant in "cchi" right, so I guess I have to back down. And his o in "bo" is a bit long as a result. Honestly his accent is butchering the pronunciation for him. However if what you're saying is that the "bo" should sound like "bah" then I'll have to disagree there. Just listen to how the cast of the show say it. It's ぼっち (bocchi), not ばっち (bacchi).
If it I misunderstood, then ignore all that plz lol