10 IoT Enterprise LTSC is the only version of Windows that's not terrible and the one I run on all of my devices, even my ROG Ally. Almost no bloatware (except Edge), none of 11's UI downgrades, telemetry that can be turned off and security support up to 2032. IMO Windows peaked with 7 and 10 LTSC is the closest thing to 7 you can get right now. It's proof that MS can still make a stable, competent, no BS operating system and all of the awfulness, spyware and bloat you get with Home/Pro versions is only the result of greed on MS's part.
That’s why I said the line “features that benefit Microsoft more than you” 🤣 I do realize that 11 LTSC isn’t as stripped down as I would like. But having ran 11 (home I think) on my Legion Go for a while, honestly 11 LTSC isn’t bad. It had some… questionable UI choices but just like me installing Windows on my steam deck. The OS is the thing I interact with the least on a gaming device. That’s however why I wanted to do this test. I wanted to see (on this hardware) how the performance really was. Since over time less hardware will put out drivers for 10 and less games will officially support it. So this was kinda me… is it time to rip off the bandaid.
@@beyondtheringgaming I think drivers won't be an issue for a long time, given how 10 and 11 are so similar under the hood. I remember getting a laptop optimized for Windows 8.1 in 2014 and I easily installed drivers made for 8.1 on Windows 7. As gamers, the biggest thing that might affect us is DirectStorage, but even that isn't exactly necessary right now. As for game support, that's probably not a worry either, considering how many Windows games can now be run even on Linux.
Windows 10 end of life for consumers is next year though. Over a year from now, but still it is ticking closer. I would be most worried about prebuilt machines. Like the Legion GO the drivers are not officially supported on Windows 10 (I have not tried this personally though, I am curious how it would go). Any custom hardware could become an issue. From your comments I am assuming you are more technical than your average user. We do have to admit that we are dealing with a big marketing push from Microsoft for 11 and "end of life", or lack of security updates may scare a lot of people to go to 11 which decrease any incentive to make sure things work on 10 going forward. I do agree with a lot of what you are saying and it is very possible this is farther off. But at some point it will be Windows 11 or going with Linux, which has its own downsides since almost nothing is running natively.
Yup I been using that for sometime now. However I am running 21h2. Have you tried both? Am thinking of going to 22h2 but not sure i want to incase it decreases performance
Windows 10 IoT LTSC (21H2) is a rock-solid OS. I've been using it for years on various devices, running SQL, gaming, productivity and many more with old and modern Hardware, and I've never had any of the countless issues I hear about with the Pro version and its "quality" updates. And on top of that, it has support until 2032. The performance drawbacks are due to the system being optimized for 2021 hardware, but even with that reduced performance, I’d choose it over and over again. Thanks for sharing!
The pure version LTSC is out not the IOT one. It rocks it is what windows should be. No bloat no junk nothing you install what you want not what microsoft throws on it.
Was happily using W10 LTSB for years, after I discovered it. I'd paid for W10 and wasn't pleased to find all the bloat and BS in it, so when I found out about LTSB I was on it. I use ancient multi-core server hardware which still flies with the right OS, and now it's running W10 LTSC, for years to come.
Dope video man :) I recently upgraded to Win 11 thinking I'd get less performance but surprisingly Win 11 is smoother than Win 10 for me. Both for in-game and non-game scenarios.
I do kinda wish that I had included Windows 10 Pro in this, and not just LTSC 10 to get a better idea of the performance hit. But I didn't since I was not considering 10 LTSC as an option for myself. What drove me to make this video was to figure out what I was going to be running myself. That being said, I do think that what the performance hit going from 10 to 11 will really depend on your hardware. I have seen plenty of people report that it runs significantly worse, so clearly there is something but it doesn't affect everyone.
Great Comparison. I'd also like to add one thing, if yor PC doesn't have tpm, WIndows 10 LTSC is the best possible OS right now. As a lot of games like valorant( mostly riot games) require TPM, if they detect Windows 11. But in Windows 10 LTSC they don't. Also WIn10 LTSC iot enterprise will get support upto 2032
Thanks for the info on TPM. I will need to do some more research into that. I thought about bringing up the extended support part. I decided instead I would just not make any claims about Windows 10 ending support soon. (Developer support is an obvious exception) since I wasn’t testing normal Windows 10 Pro. Was trying to walk that line of explaining what LTSC is, explaining the privacy benefits but also focusing on what really matters to a lot of gamers. Performance. Which for me is what I care about at the end of the day. It’s why I run LTSC on my steam deck. )(privacy also, but Windows is not my primary OS so it sees very little that would be sensitive in the slightest)
Glad you liked it. I experimented with a lot of things in how I made this video. What kind of hardware are you running? Working on doing the same tests on some other hardware right now (legit right now, my legion go is right next to me doing its thing)
I am using windows 10 iot enterprise ltsc and it's great. Specially if you use Ryzen CPU's. Windows 11 is actually made for newer generation of Intel CPU's. So yeah windows 10 iot enterprise ltsc is great for Ryzen CPU's.
Thanks for this! I have not been aware of the LTSC option until I heard about the EOL of win 10. I will be exploring this within the next couple of months :)
LTSC is a great OS, but it's also NOT intended to be used for general purposes. Basically, doing anything on it is requiring at least one extra step (for example, you need to install a literal photo viewer)
You ran all your tests on a 13900K. That CPU has P and E cores, something Windows 10 LTSC doesn't handle well because the core scheduler was only added later in 21H2. You should've run your tests on an AMD or an older Intel processor for a fair comparison.
I thought about including benchmarks from other hardware here, but I was struggling with feeling like it was already trying to convey a lot of numbers. That is why I made clear what hardware I was running on, I am working on benchmarks for more hardware types at different power levels. That being said, in every test I have ran so far on other hardware the story is either 11 LTSC running better or 10 and 11 LTSC being nearly identical. But I am also likely going to wait to put out those other benchmarks until 24H2 is generally available to have a more fair comparison.
windows itself working with heterogenous cpus pretty well .. since windows 8 .. that support was added for windows phone 8 which supported that hardware configurations from start .. then ms lauched windows 10 phone with heterogenous cpu . honestly even initial schreduler was a way better then in android windows phone 8 was pretty much generic windows edition but with mobileui.exe instead of explorer.exe thats why it required new schredulereven in x86 /64 windows
I am debating on if I should redo these tests since both Windows 11 versions would be the same now, but I am not quite sure if LTSC had gotten the update yet.
I use AME Wizard to debloat Windows 10. There is a Wizard to help streamline the process but everything it does can be done manually to remove bloat via instructions found on the AME site. I have an operating system that does it's only job which is to run the software I want to run. It does not connect to Microsoft for updates as the entire Updates system is completely stripped out. All spyware is stripped out. It does not get new security updates as they are never needed. It does not have anti-virus bloat as it's never needed as long as you vet your download sources. It's Bliss!
Hi. I have all new hardware now. Gonna build from scratch and am thinking about buying Win 11 Pro. Will this Wizard work with Winn 11 Pro as well? So sick of Win 10 Home Bloat and Spyware, and fake Security updates that just ruin my settings.
This is very interesting. My work IT guy mentioned the work Win 10 systems being supported to 2027. But my own Windows 10 Pro loses support next year. To continue to connect it to work I either need the Enterprise edition or upgrade to Win 11. I had been assuming the latter would be the path, with a new PC. But can I instead reinstall WIndows 10 LTSC on my old PC, then get work IT to add back in my Office 365 etc?
When testing those games did you check your Core Parking? Most folks don't. You can gain performance because Microsoft is horrible at handling core parking. See Quick CPU.
I use Win 10 IOT & ran Chris Titus' tools as well & I get a 6 second boot up with only 76 processes & 1 to 3 % cpu utilization. With only 30 gigs of space used. I've tried win 11 IOT & its more bloated then 10's. And slower. For day to day use.
Now try all of those tests with a newer Ryzen setup. I’ve been seeing a lot of tech tubers showing some significant negative bias with windows 11 and AMD processors as of late.
I am very curious about that especially with the reports of the recent update to Windows that improved AMD performance. However this test will also be more interesting with 24H2 now officially rolling out we are not dealing with beta code anymore and will be comparing the same Windows 11 versions in future videos. However that is now delayed waiting to make sure I know what the exact state of this all is from Microsoft (for example, is LTSC still beta but normal isn't). I want it to be a fair comparison or at the very least, up front about any discrepancy.
What are you installing on? Would love to know what you are seeing for performance or if you are running into any issues using LTSC I might be able to address in another video.
Getting a new NVME with 1TB with a 7800x3D/1080Ti (lol) and planning on gaming only + being my main OS. While I heard that Ryzen 7/9 series got a major FPS boost with the new 24H2 Win 11 update (supposedly). Which one should I go for knowing that official 24h2 release will be released end of all? I love Win 10 but IDK. Any insight? Thank you.
Huge caveat with what I am about to say, so I hope someone else comes in with more helpful information. The only AMD computers I have to test is my Steam Deck and Legion GO (Another Handheld). Both of my gaming PC's and my partners are Intel and Nvidia. So unfortunately I cannot speak on what those performance increases are. I have seen some on reddit say that it got them a few extra FPS but nothing groundbreaking but I could just be fully up to date on that. I also believe I saw that this boost was backported to the current version of Windows, so you don't have to be on a preview (which 24H2 is still technically preview even if it is shipping on the Copilot PC's) to get it. Here is my take. I love Windows 10, particularly when I ran LTSC. It was (mostly) lean and a workhorse. Did not have all of the crap that Microsoft was trying to push. But Windows 10 is also likely going to start falling behind. Less and less hardware officially supporting it, and I think overtime less and less games working with it. In all of my benchmarks so far (and I am doing more hardware configurations than what I covered in this video) I have seen either parity between 10 LTSC and 11 LTSC or better. (With Returnal being the anomaly). So I think if you are fine with going with the LTSC, (unless there is a major problem with AMD I am unaware of) going with 11 LTSC is the easy choice. You are more prepared for the future and from what I have seen the performance is similar or better than 10 LTSC. If you don't want to use LTSC, honestly thats a harder choice. I really don't like stock Windows 11. Short term 10 will likely remain the better choice but at some point you will likely be forced to use 11.
anyone know if intel arrowlake is supported on windows 10 iot enterprise 2021 ltsc? i tried checking intel's site, but the closest i could find is meteor lake cpus. there doesn't appear to be a practical or feasible way of contacting intel and asking them, so i was wondering if someone might know here? this also applies to chipset or related drivers for the motherboard.
I have a question: are the recent AMD code prediction fixes included also in Windows 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC? To be sure I would compare latest Windows 11 Home/Pro 24H2 build (26100.1742 and newer, with the fixes included) with latest Windows 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2024 (26100.1742 and newer) and see if and how gaming performance differs. Thanks! -P
I will be honest, I don't know and I have been curious about that myself. I need to look into that but hopefully someone may come in that knows for sure.
For all their talk to the contrary, I bet the Xbox variant of windows, is LTSC more or less with custom GUI and all the usual console apps. After playing around with my 9X/Dos pc, that low bloat basic OS that you have to add what you want as opposed to spend and age trying to remove what you don't, is what I want with my version of windows, and this seems almost there. Linux is nice and all, but I like what I want to play to work and not just hope for the best, though SteamOS and similar is certainly changing that, but its not quite there yet
Recently tried running away to Linux due to all of the bloat in Windows, and that was after using various scripts to debloat too. I've been mostly happy but I play a lot of VR games, with modding too, and that has been quite difficult. Wine/proton is extremely impressive but ultimately there's still games/setups where weird bugs occur and you have to spend literal hours fixing them. This might be what I was looking for from the start.
I thought there was an update that just came out for 11 that addressed AMD performance? I have not had a chance to test it yet though so I don't know the full story. But thanks for the comment, that is exactly why I wanted to make it very clear what hardware I was using for these tests.
Thank you for making this video. I'm currently exploring the "free" performance gains for gaming and bloat removal. Started with Ghost Spectre OS, Atlast OS, debloater apps and scripts and basically ended up here. I might be sceptical but I believe that official debloated windows beats all. Now I only need to understand what windows works best with what hardware. I currently have an AMD 5800x3d and an i5-11600 system. It would've been great if you could test some fairly recent AMD Vs Intel systems with these different Windows installed. I have concerns as well. I know that I'm asking a lot of you. Anyways thanks again. P.S. I didn't know about that recent AMD performance win upgrade. I'll try to research a bit.
Great video, but at 0:29 why the hell did you decide to pronounce "i9-13900k" number by number instead of "eye-nine thirteen-nine-hundred-kay" like everybody else does??? That was super super confusing to me xD
Running Windows 11 Pro, its fine, now that I've optimised it, actually works great! Geek bench (don't use it) Synthetic crap. Just learn your operating system and how to best fix the issues (without using tools like Chris Titus') as I've got it more locked down and streamlined then I had Windows 10 Pro. Anyways interesting video but honestly you should be on Windows 11 by now and LOCAL account toggle on / off is a new feature that Windows 11 Pro has also (food for thought) Peace ✌🏼✌🏼🕊🕊
I think there are a lot of good reasons you would not want to be on Windows 11, particularly from a privacy standpoint with a lot of what Microsoft has recently been shoving into 11. That is part of why I wanted to do this test though, and the LTSC version of 11 was available. I wanted to update to 11 but I did not want all of the other crap. But we also can't ignore that Windows 11 is being targeted by more developers.
10 IoT Enterprise LTSC is the only version of Windows that's not terrible and the one I run on all of my devices, even my ROG Ally. Almost no bloatware (except Edge), none of 11's UI downgrades, telemetry that can be turned off and security support up to 2032. IMO Windows peaked with 7 and 10 LTSC is the closest thing to 7 you can get right now. It's proof that MS can still make a stable, competent, no BS operating system and all of the awfulness, spyware and bloat you get with Home/Pro versions is only the result of greed on MS's part.
That’s why I said the line “features that benefit Microsoft more than you” 🤣
I do realize that 11 LTSC isn’t as stripped down as I would like. But having ran 11 (home I think) on my Legion Go for a while, honestly 11 LTSC isn’t bad. It had some… questionable UI choices but just like me installing Windows on my steam deck. The OS is the thing I interact with the least on a gaming device.
That’s however why I wanted to do this test. I wanted to see (on this hardware) how the performance really was.
Since over time less hardware will put out drivers for 10 and less games will officially support it. So this was kinda me… is it time to rip off the bandaid.
@@beyondtheringgaming I think drivers won't be an issue for a long time, given how 10 and 11 are so similar under the hood. I remember getting a laptop optimized for Windows 8.1 in 2014 and I easily installed drivers made for 8.1 on Windows 7. As gamers, the biggest thing that might affect us is DirectStorage, but even that isn't exactly necessary right now. As for game support, that's probably not a worry either, considering how many Windows games can now be run even on Linux.
Windows 10 end of life for consumers is next year though. Over a year from now, but still it is ticking closer.
I would be most worried about prebuilt machines. Like the Legion GO the drivers are not officially supported on Windows 10 (I have not tried this personally though, I am curious how it would go). Any custom hardware could become an issue.
From your comments I am assuming you are more technical than your average user. We do have to admit that we are dealing with a big marketing push from Microsoft for 11 and "end of life", or lack of security updates may scare a lot of people to go to 11 which decrease any incentive to make sure things work on 10 going forward.
I do agree with a lot of what you are saying and it is very possible this is farther off. But at some point it will be Windows 11 or going with Linux, which has its own downsides since almost nothing is running natively.
Yup I been using that for sometime now. However I am running 21h2. Have you tried both? Am thinking of going to 22h2 but not sure i want to incase it decreases performance
Does IoT Enterprise have MS store?
Windows 10 IoT LTSC (21H2) is a rock-solid OS. I've been using it for years on various devices, running SQL, gaming, productivity and many more with old and modern Hardware, and I've never had any of the countless issues I hear about with the Pro version and its "quality" updates. And on top of that, it has support until 2032. The performance drawbacks are due to the system being optimized for 2021 hardware, but even with that reduced performance, I’d choose it over and over again. Thanks for sharing!
I found a way to unlock more performance
@@jedvaulten02 Go on... 🤔
@@jedvaulten02Bruh shut yo… or go ahead and tell us
@@mrbradley1 read my description
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The pure version LTSC is out not the IOT one. It rocks it is what windows should be. No bloat no junk nothing you install what you want not what microsoft throws on it.
Was happily using W10 LTSB for years, after I discovered it. I'd paid for W10 and wasn't pleased to find all the bloat and BS in it, so when I found out about LTSB I was on it.
I use ancient multi-core server hardware which still flies with the right OS, and now it's running W10 LTSC, for years to come.
Dope video man :) I recently upgraded to Win 11 thinking I'd get less performance but surprisingly Win 11 is smoother than Win 10 for me. Both for in-game and non-game scenarios.
I do kinda wish that I had included Windows 10 Pro in this, and not just LTSC 10 to get a better idea of the performance hit. But I didn't since I was not considering 10 LTSC as an option for myself.
What drove me to make this video was to figure out what I was going to be running myself.
That being said, I do think that what the performance hit going from 10 to 11 will really depend on your hardware. I have seen plenty of people report that it runs significantly worse, so clearly there is something but it doesn't affect everyone.
Great Comparison. I'd also like to add one thing, if yor PC doesn't have tpm, WIndows 10 LTSC is the best possible OS right now. As a lot of games like valorant( mostly riot games) require TPM, if they detect Windows 11. But in Windows 10 LTSC they don't. Also WIn10 LTSC iot enterprise will get support upto 2032
Thanks for the info on TPM. I will need to do some more research into that.
I thought about bringing up the extended support part. I decided instead I would just not make any claims about Windows 10 ending support soon. (Developer support is an obvious exception) since I wasn’t testing normal Windows 10 Pro.
Was trying to walk that line of explaining what LTSC is, explaining the privacy benefits but also focusing on what really matters to a lot of gamers. Performance.
Which for me is what I care about at the end of the day. It’s why I run LTSC on my steam deck. )(privacy also, but Windows is not my primary OS so it sees very little that would be sensitive in the slightest)
and u wonder why i no longer use anything made by Riot games anymore because of dat practice
Neither Windows 10 or Windows 11 Iot LTSC require TPM or secure boot.
Windows 11 LTSC IoT doesn't require TPM.
@@sovo1212 read English properly. I never said that
I'm currently using 11 24H2 LTSC on my main PC and for me it's just a Windows without tons of preinstalled crap like Maps.
great video man, ive been looking for ltsc performance between another windows version like this
Glad you liked it. I experimented with a lot of things in how I made this video.
What kind of hardware are you running? Working on doing the same tests on some other hardware right now (legit right now, my legion go is right next to me doing its thing)
I am using windows 10 iot enterprise ltsc and it's great. Specially if you use Ryzen CPU's. Windows 11 is actually made for newer generation of Intel CPU's. So yeah windows 10 iot enterprise ltsc is great for Ryzen CPU's.
Thanks for this! I have not been aware of the LTSC option until I heard about the EOL of win 10. I will be exploring this within the next couple of months :)
i use 11 iot ltcs for 2 days and i back to 10 ltcs cuz performance is better on 10u can feel it
w11 is a preview version not final tho
Windows LTSC is the Windows minimal people are looking for.
i kinda wanna see how will low end pc perform with both of them
LTSC is a great OS, but it's also NOT intended to be used for general purposes. Basically, doing anything on it is requiring at least one extra step (for example, you need to install a literal photo viewer)
You ran all your tests on a 13900K. That CPU has P and E cores, something Windows 10 LTSC doesn't handle well because the core scheduler was only added later in 21H2.
You should've run your tests on an AMD or an older Intel processor for a fair comparison.
I thought about including benchmarks from other hardware here, but I was struggling with feeling like it was already trying to convey a lot of numbers.
That is why I made clear what hardware I was running on, I am working on benchmarks for more hardware types at different power levels.
That being said, in every test I have ran so far on other hardware the story is either 11 LTSC running better or 10 and 11 LTSC being nearly identical.
But I am also likely going to wait to put out those other benchmarks until 24H2 is generally available to have a more fair comparison.
windows itself working with heterogenous cpus pretty well .. since windows 8 .. that support was added for windows phone 8 which supported that hardware configurations from start .. then ms lauched windows 10 phone with heterogenous cpu . honestly even initial schreduler was a way better then in android
windows phone 8 was pretty much generic windows edition but with mobileui.exe instead of explorer.exe thats why it required new schredulereven in x86 /64 windows
I think it's out!!! W11 LTSC for "the general public"
I am debating on if I should redo these tests since both Windows 11 versions would be the same now, but I am not quite sure if LTSC had gotten the update yet.
@@beyondtheringgaming redo
I use AME Wizard to debloat Windows 10. There is a Wizard to help streamline the process but everything it does can be done manually to remove bloat via instructions found on the AME site. I have an operating system that does it's only job which is to run the software I want to run. It does not connect to Microsoft for updates as the entire Updates system is completely stripped out. All spyware is stripped out. It does not get new security updates as they are never needed. It does not have anti-virus bloat as it's never needed as long as you vet your download sources. It's Bliss!
Hi.
I have all new hardware now. Gonna build from scratch and am thinking about buying Win 11 Pro. Will this Wizard work with Winn 11 Pro as well?
So sick of Win 10 Home Bloat and Spyware, and fake Security updates that just ruin my settings.
@@GraeTendo The AME project people do have a windows 11 version called AME 11 that you install through the AME Wizard.
@@DivergentDroid
Ahhh... OK. I'll have to look into that.
Thanks for the infos on how to get the ISO. I was trying out Windows 11 and hated it. Now I’m going to install Windows 10 LTSC.
This is very interesting. My work IT guy mentioned the work Win 10 systems being supported to 2027. But my own Windows 10 Pro loses support next year. To continue to connect it to work I either need the Enterprise edition or upgrade to Win 11. I had been assuming the latter would be the path, with a new PC. But can I instead reinstall WIndows 10 LTSC on my old PC, then get work IT to add back in my Office 365 etc?
Great video. Subscribed.
When testing those games did you check your Core Parking? Most folks don't. You can gain performance because Microsoft is horrible at handling core parking. See Quick CPU.
I needed this thanks
I use Win 10 IOT & ran Chris Titus' tools as well & I get a 6 second boot up with only 76 processes & 1 to 3 % cpu utilization. With only 30 gigs of space used. I've tried win 11 IOT & its more bloated then 10's. And slower. For day to day use.
Now try all of those tests with a newer Ryzen setup. I’ve been seeing a lot of tech tubers showing some significant negative bias with windows 11 and AMD processors as of late.
I am very curious about that especially with the reports of the recent update to Windows that improved AMD performance.
However this test will also be more interesting with 24H2 now officially rolling out we are not dealing with beta code anymore and will be comparing the same Windows 11 versions in future videos. However that is now delayed waiting to make sure I know what the exact state of this all is from Microsoft (for example, is LTSC still beta but normal isn't). I want it to be a fair comparison or at the very least, up front about any discrepancy.
Installing Windows 11 LTSC after watching your Video. Hope it proves it's worth. I'm using it solely for Gaming
What are you installing on? Would love to know what you are seeing for performance or if you are running into any issues using LTSC I might be able to address in another video.
Superb video can you please test the windows 11 ltsc with ryzen cpu or intel because now its officially out thank you so much for the helpful video
you are a savior. I was also looking for exact comparison as I hate 11 pro and with 13gen was not sure if I can use 21H2 better
Getting a new NVME with 1TB with a 7800x3D/1080Ti (lol) and planning on gaming only + being my main OS.
While I heard that Ryzen 7/9 series got a major FPS boost with the new 24H2 Win 11 update (supposedly).
Which one should I go for knowing that official 24h2 release will be released end of all?
I love Win 10 but IDK. Any insight? Thank you.
Huge caveat with what I am about to say, so I hope someone else comes in with more helpful information. The only AMD computers I have to test is my Steam Deck and Legion GO (Another Handheld). Both of my gaming PC's and my partners are Intel and Nvidia.
So unfortunately I cannot speak on what those performance increases are. I have seen some on reddit say that it got them a few extra FPS but nothing groundbreaking but I could just be fully up to date on that. I also believe I saw that this boost was backported to the current version of Windows, so you don't have to be on a preview (which 24H2 is still technically preview even if it is shipping on the Copilot PC's) to get it.
Here is my take. I love Windows 10, particularly when I ran LTSC. It was (mostly) lean and a workhorse. Did not have all of the crap that Microsoft was trying to push.
But Windows 10 is also likely going to start falling behind. Less and less hardware officially supporting it, and I think overtime less and less games working with it.
In all of my benchmarks so far (and I am doing more hardware configurations than what I covered in this video) I have seen either parity between 10 LTSC and 11 LTSC or better. (With Returnal being the anomaly).
So I think if you are fine with going with the LTSC, (unless there is a major problem with AMD I am unaware of) going with 11 LTSC is the easy choice. You are more prepared for the future and from what I have seen the performance is similar or better than 10 LTSC.
If you don't want to use LTSC, honestly thats a harder choice. I really don't like stock Windows 11. Short term 10 will likely remain the better choice but at some point you will likely be forced to use 11.
@@beyondtheringgaming I appreciate the long answer! It is a tough choice indeed! I'll go to LTSC 💯.
anyone know if intel arrowlake is supported on windows 10 iot enterprise 2021 ltsc? i tried checking intel's site, but the closest i could find is meteor lake cpus. there doesn't appear to be a practical or feasible way of contacting intel and asking them, so i was wondering if someone might know here? this also applies to chipset or related drivers for the motherboard.
make test windows 10 rog edition v7,and LTC and Home..and please test games and test dayz game
Is the windows 11 enterprise LTSC a release preview? If so when will it have the stable launch?
Well it is launched but for companies and the only way to get it without spending a shit ton of money is great old piracy
@@NoNo-p8l I can download it the iso, but the discription say release preview.
@@adrianwolff2007 oh yeah I just searched it up so, it should be finished in fall 2024 so not to far off
@@NoNo-p8l Right, I am waiting for it to install in my new build.
I have a question: are the recent AMD code prediction fixes included also in Windows 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC?
To be sure I would compare latest Windows 11 Home/Pro 24H2 build (26100.1742 and newer, with the fixes included) with latest Windows 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2024 (26100.1742 and newer) and see if and how gaming performance differs.
Thanks!
-P
I will be honest, I don't know and I have been curious about that myself.
I need to look into that but hopefully someone may come in that knows for sure.
@@beyondtheringgaming People on Reddit apparently tested this and confirmed Branch Code Optimizations are in :)
For all their talk to the contrary, I bet the Xbox variant of windows, is LTSC more or less with custom GUI and all the usual console apps.
After playing around with my 9X/Dos pc, that low bloat basic OS that you have to add what you want as opposed to spend and age trying to remove what you don't, is what I want with my version of windows, and this seems almost there. Linux is nice and all, but I like what I want to play to work and not just hope for the best, though SteamOS and similar is certainly changing that, but its not quite there yet
Recently tried running away to Linux due to all of the bloat in Windows, and that was after using various scripts to debloat too.
I've been mostly happy but I play a lot of VR games, with modding too, and that has been quite difficult. Wine/proton is extremely impressive but ultimately there's still games/setups where weird bugs occur and you have to spend literal hours fixing them.
This might be what I was looking for from the start.
Hey great ones but test AMD Ryzen CPU, thats your main objective since its the one having serious issues windows win11. Please !
what version of ltsc was used on windows 11?
IoT Enterprise LTSC 2024
When you say Disk do you mean Hard Drive or SSD?
The windows 11 scheduler is not that great with AMD processors and decreases performance. If you own an AMD processor stick to windows 10
I thought there was an update that just came out for 11 that addressed AMD performance?
I have not had a chance to test it yet though so I don't know the full story.
But thanks for the comment, that is exactly why I wanted to make it very clear what hardware I was using for these tests.
its been fixed with windows update and look up jayztwocents core parking.
Thank you for making this video. I'm currently exploring the "free" performance gains for gaming and bloat removal. Started with Ghost Spectre OS, Atlast OS, debloater apps and scripts and basically ended up here. I might be sceptical but I believe that official debloated windows beats all. Now I only need to understand what windows works best with what hardware. I currently have an AMD 5800x3d and an i5-11600 system.
It would've been great if you could test some fairly recent AMD Vs Intel systems with these different Windows installed. I have concerns as well. I know that I'm asking a lot of you. Anyways thanks again.
P.S. I didn't know about that recent AMD performance win upgrade. I'll try to research a bit.
@@maksepalad9141any findings?
What is the difference between regular Enterprise LTSC and the IoT version?
IoT is English-only and has 5 more years of support with other minors changes
@@s4yto besides that nothing functionally different?
Does ltsc remove virtualization/vbs support? Might be interesting what it does for AMD cpus.
No
Thank you. Rainbow Six Siege FTW
Windows 11 in ryzen is lagy gameplay and crashing games and same games running full speed in windown 10
Tiny11 for the win boys
Thanks
nice video! QUACK
Great video, but at 0:29 why the hell did you decide to pronounce "i9-13900k" number by number instead of "eye-nine thirteen-nine-hundred-kay" like everybody else does???
That was super super confusing to me xD
Who honestly cares 😂
Running Windows 11 Pro, its fine, now that I've optimised it, actually works great! Geek bench (don't use it) Synthetic crap. Just learn your operating system and how to best fix the issues (without using tools like Chris Titus') as I've got it more locked down and streamlined then I had Windows 10 Pro. Anyways interesting video but honestly you should be on Windows 11 by now and LOCAL account toggle on / off is a new feature that Windows 11 Pro has also (food for thought) Peace ✌🏼✌🏼🕊🕊
I think there are a lot of good reasons you would not want to be on Windows 11, particularly from a privacy standpoint with a lot of what Microsoft has recently been shoving into 11.
That is part of why I wanted to do this test though, and the LTSC version of 11 was available. I wanted to update to 11 but I did not want all of the other crap.
But we also can't ignore that Windows 11 is being targeted by more developers.
Why are you using AI to generate the person in the video?
AI was not used in this video.