One week after purchasing my Snowflake, I went to a jeweller (different from whom I bought the watch, who do not sell GS) for a strap change. The vendor was indifferent when I tried different straps, but after I picked one and waited for the strap change, the clocksmith himself came to me from his back office praising how good my watch is and how rare it is to see one. I knew already that I've made the right decision but that confirmed it.
When the King Nerd comes out of nowhere to drink with you, you know you nerded correctly & properly. You were technically correct, which is the very best kind of correct. ;)
There's no question that Grand Seiko is a display of high level craftsmanship. I have one in my collection but always seem to turn to my rolex watches for my everyday wearers . Just the way it is . I've been wearing Rolex since 1968 and have never been let down, and being an outdoor guy , they're about as robust a peice as you can get . I always am afraid I'm going to scratch up my Grand Seiko so it's regulated to a "going out watch" . Just my experience.
@@Megalosmalakas1977 I guess it doesn't have to be that way. What this comment implies is, for someone able to spot a GS, they're most likely to be watch enthusiast. While Rolex, I can bet there's not a single soul who didn't know/heard about Rolex. So, people who can spot Rolex really varies, from watch enthusiast and not.
I'm an Australian guy watching a British guy talk about a Japanese watch on a channel that is owned by a Swiss company that was founded by a South African guy.
How do you put all of that thought into the different countries and then don't even talk about the fact that this is all happening on a platform (UA-cam) that is owned by an American company (Google), which bought it from the three original founders, who were each born in three different countries...Taiwan, Germany, and the USA?
I'm a Rolex owner and I agree with pretty much every word of this. I love Rolex but I am acutely aware of how vast and rewarding the world beyond Rolex is. Own and enjoy a Rolex, but don't kid yourself that it's the pinnacle of watchmaking.
@@AIRFORCEFREAK1 😱 say it isn't so! I have three brands on my grail watch list... Omega (likely an Aqua terra) Blancpain Lemans big day/date flyback chronometer, Or....a Grand Seiko Spring drive. Guess its gonna have to be a GS spring-drive. Gotta support the cause! And to the production team @ watchfinder & Co, thanks for another delightful installment. It's always special when you wax poetic about our shared addiction. And if I had to say why I personally love the art of mechanical watch making so much.... they give me...hope. The Apollo moon landing will always be the pinnacle of what the human mind is capable of. But so too is a time piece that you can wear on your wrist, and so long as you never stop wearing it....it will never stop telling the time. Natch! ...gives me hope. Keep up the good works. Be well peace. clb
Not true, ever heard of the Japanese term "takumi"? Japanese has this obsession chasing perfection in their craftsmanship, that's why you see sushi or ramen restaurants that serve only 6-7 people, or artisans with handmade goods with very low production volume in pursuit of perfection. They sacrifice monetary profits and take pride in perfecting their craftsmanship.
I saved up for 13 months and lost 30kg, and I'm rewarding myself with a Snowflake. Should have it within the next 4 weeks. I cannot wait to put it on my wrist for the first time. My first luxury watch and I know I'll never sell it
Can we STOP talking about GS?! I don't want the price to go up more. Leave GS to us watch nerds and talk about the other brands like Rolex and AP instead.
I first saw Grand Seiko last year in an upscale department store in Seoul. I thought it was a Rolex then noticed the GS logo. It was a stunningly beautiful piece of craftsmanship. In comparison Rolex is a utilitarian hammer. When I got into work on Monday I showed my fellow watch nut friend the photos and asked if he’d heard of Grand Seiko. As excitedly as you explained in the video he was also like a school boy telling me all about the brand and the backstory. Grand Seiko is the watch for the true watch connoisseur. Not some wannabe with no idea what he’s wearing on his wrist or why he’s wearing it.
"Is that Rolex real?" "They probably also have one and chances are, it will be better." Probably the biggest reasons why I'm extremely skeptical about buying a Rolex. I'd rather answer "What's a Grand Seiko?" than "is your Rolex real?"
Brilliant thought. I have no doubt that the movement in a Rolex is excellent but that’s not why people buy them. It’s the 911 of the watch world. The excellence of the brand. Poseurs buy them to impress.
@@zamiryusof8239 Rolex is the only company in the world which actually wants the fake industry to exist and thrive. The fakers are doing a very special kind of marketing and advertising for Rolex at no cost at all! :D It's a symbiotic paradox, if such a phrase makes any sense... Certainly nothing to do with watchmaking as such. And also the reason why I will NEVER buy a Rolex. However, we have to admit that this is one of the key factors behind yet another paradox - the fact that every year Rolex keeps increasing the number of watches they produce while at the same time getting more and more expensive (sic!?). Consumer madness at its best. Or worst. The jury is still out... :) Cheers!
@User 2389 Go ahead, tell me what makes a Rolex superior to a GS. Design? That’s subjective. Finish? No comparison, GS is clearly superior. Movements? Whatever you think of the Spring Drive, it is innovative and the Hi-Beat movement is superior to any Rolex movement. ....and please don’t tell me about resale value and staus. I couldn’t give a shit.
Seiko and GS is a tacky brand today, they are nothing like how they were in the past. It will only get worse, except for the most expensive models the rest of the lineup will be shit like this.
LOVE the last line. I am more likely to have a conversation about watches with someone who is wearing a Grand Seiko than a Rolex. My boss wears a Rolex Submariner. I started chatting him up about the recent (at the time) record breaking sale of the Paul Newman Rolex Daytona that I read about. He had never heard of the daytona, or the knew anything about the headline.
Receiving compliments on your watch sure do is a great day maker, when i someone says to me "nice watch" i want to tell them all about the history and the engineering nedded to achieve it, but i jus hold back and say "thank you". Sometimes is pretty hard to hide my power level.
Exactly. And before you purchase it, you had better be certain the hands on the quartz models line up on every tick mark. They don't on mine, and I've seen several GMTs that also have that problem. While my much less expensive Casio lines up perfectly. Be careful and don't buy sight unseen.
Agreed, I think its because their information that typically lives on the caseback on most their watches. It still needs to be there so they crowd the exhibition back lol
I bet if you send it back to Grand Seiko with that exact complaint they would polish it for you with no questions asked. :) Moreover, I bet they would start doing it on every new watch they produce as standard practice! :)
In the last 6 months, watch channels have been jumping on the GS bandwagon. I don't like it. I'm saving to buy one. All this hype is gonna make them more expensive.
I know! I’ve been looking at them for a couple of years now. Don’t have the money but am waiting for the day. But that may get further and further away...
Oh boy, that's one of the best episodes EVER! 😂 The narration is on such a tormenting personal level it hurts. But in a good way. There are so much lines in it that would be worth quoting that it wouldn't fit in a single comment. Keep it coming, Watchfinder!
I am proud to say my first ever high end watch was a GS. I don't care about brand recognition - I care about horology, quality, craftsmanship. Several watches later and my GS is still probably the overall favourite in my collection.
@@thetruthhurts7500 hahaha. Good one. I've actually got a Rolex. An Explorer. Beautiful watch - I absolutely love it. It's somewhere in the middle of my collection: not as good as my GS Spring Drive Snowflake, my JLC Reverso Duoface, or my Omega Speedmaster Moonwatch Aventurine (though I know comparing a time only to a chronograph isn't a fair comparison). The Rolex is, however, better (in my opinion) than my IWC Portugieser Automatic, my GS Hi-beat, and my Omega Globemaster I feel sad for you that you think horology peaks with Rolex. You poor thing.
I lost count at how many times I paused and rewound the video, just to admire the beauty of this watch. That's a testament to Grand Seiko's craftsmanship, and a sincere compliment to your photography.
For me, no problems with this one. As far as sheer excellence in watchmaking, the Swiss can still outdo Seiko, but IMHO only when they really stretch themselves, as for example with the Brequet Classique Chronometier (sic?) or AP's Altiplano Ultimate Concept (featured in one of your other fascinating videos). The later is not just impossibly thin at 2mm, but one of the most interesting dials I've ever seen. But those are both insanely expensive...10-30x the $$ of a Grand Seiko. Wearing a $20K Rolex would just remind me what a dumb ass I was for spending so much on a very ordinary watch.
Unfortunately, the most comment I’ve got so far is, „you spend all that much for a sEiKo?“ Very few people of the general mass have an interest on the mechanics and details, or dare I say modern day horology. Most are only interested/cared for the brand cachet. Same cliches I’ve always received for my JLCs, Moser and GP. Be it from ignorance, but the general mass likes to utter the usual, „if it’s not a Rolex, you’ve chosen poorly“.
I get what you mean. but.. the history of the watch and the company is so meaningful to some... I really enjoy reading up and listening to horological content! I don't understand most of it but it's fascinating!
It's hilarious. I compared my GS with my coworker's Rolex. He agreed that mine looked sharper and more stunning, but he would never choose a GS over a Rolex. He said the same about my JLC. People are way too enamored with the Rolex name.
@@kingsleycy3450 some of us just don't care about Rolexes. The only one I wish I'd bought was a Newman Daytona back in the early 90s, and really only because I'd have flogged it for a fortune. I just can't get excited about them.
The only thing they need to fix is the clasp. On my GS the clasp is not the most secure closure and worst of all no micro adjustability on the fly or any adjustability. ALL watches above 3000 dollars should have micro adjustment on the fly. I love my GS, but don't wear as often as I would like simply because it's not always comfortable. Rolex bracelets are for me the most comfortable bracelets and even the basic easylink is great.
John Flink nope but I’ve never really had compliments on any of my watches Patek/AP/Rolex/GP.. I think the last was my Tudor when it first came out (Brown bronze) and once with my GP
As a proud owner of this "Kiku", I can safely say that this watch looks much better on the blue leather strap it comes with. The steel bracelet kinda dilutes the impact of this truly outstanding dial
The finishing of the dials in Grand Seiko are phenomenal. But it definitely has its flaws. Case thickness and bracelet are areas I think definitely need improvement, I truly hope in the future they have the opportunity for a tapered bracelet model and are able to tone down the case dimensions just a tad.
This dial is incredible. Wow! And accurate, yet subtly stated jabs at the Crown. One of your best narratives yet IMO. Lastly, the commitment by Grand Seiko to finishing and iterative refinement is commendable.
I learnt nothing specifically about any one watch here, yet I find myself replaying this video on loop for days... Lots of people give out tech specs but very few people convey emotions and feel better about anything at all as done here. Keep up the great work and may you continue to find inspiration from GS and others to make content like this and convert people to watch enthusiasts! I am an absolute Seiko fan and would like to get GS as a grail watch though its a hard choice especially with the dials they have brought out recently. My 'grail' watch changes every time I see a new dial and that is saying something.
Man these videos keep getting more and more entertaining. And I'd rather get a Grand Seiko over a Rolex in a heartbeat anyways because I think the Japanese watch industry is far more consumer friendly than the Swiss. Casio, Citizen, Seiko: all highly respected brands because they make watches that work and work well. I'm in love with my Seiko 5 and my G-Shocks, all combined cost less than $400 new.
Totally agree with your sentiments. Up until for some time I still couldn't get my head around the fact that Grand Seiko could be placed a notch or two higher than Rolex. But that thought is slowly waning as I read more and more not just of the history of GS but the effort it is putting into its creation is astounding, beyond belief. As I delve deeper and deeper into the above mentioned literature and taking closer look at GS time and again I'm slowly trying to realise what the hype is all about. And believe me it makes sense. I recently saw the current Seamaster and other variations of it, only to be disappointed by the fact that none of it actually held me spellbound. Compared to a GS you can easily tell the lack of finisse. I spent less than 10 mins on each of the variants trying to see what is there that could see the Seamaster on my wrist but nothing really ticked. Glad I saved myself 10g.
It will never appreciate in value, because the "Seiko" on the dial devalues it on some level regardless of what fanboys want to say. No one is going to start paying far over retail for Grand Seikos outside of some diehard fanboys. There's a reason Toyota didn't call Lexus "Grand Toyota".
@@Shintsu2 there aren't many luxury watches that appreciate in value anyway. Even luxury brands like Omega, Zenith, JLC and Blancpain depreciate. And all he people who pay less than retail prices as well
You really need to look into GS more. There are so many better looking models than the Snowflake. People tend to say that Snowflake is the one because that's the only model they know about.
@@jeanraspail2979 I felt the exact same way! Last time I were in Japan, I visited the seiko flagship store in ginza just to get the Snowflake, because I like everyone else had it like my holy grail. But when I had it on my wrist, my reaction was "is this it..?" It's not a bad watch, I was just expecting so much more, and I had hyped it up way to much in my head. Plus, the light weight threw me off too much. It felt cheap because of the weight. So I got another GS instead.
@@RustyNotesTV yes, my main gripe is the Titanium, I don't understand why GS use this material so excessively... I find the SBGY003 interesting too, maybe I get the chance to try it on sometime
I'm ready to be chuffed Edit: okay i said this before the video started but at 9:08 sounds like he is saying chuffed. *I SEE YOU'RE A MAN OF CULTURE AS WELL*
I wore a Seiko Presage Mockingbird and used the attention it brought me to talk about the horology trials. It’s light-catching dial even managed to draw some interest, only for ppl to find even more details like dual-finished hour/minute hands, and contrasting gold secondhand. If I ever own a G.S, I’m just gna hand it to them next time. It’s mirror finishing and intricate dials speak it’s own story...
This is by far the best video on this channel. It is incredible how accurately you have captured the true essence of a watch enthusiast's admiration and love for watches which doesn't necessarily defy any rational or logic for reasoning
I felt like he was talking directly to me. I have so few people I can talk watches to. I lurk in these channels comments and just enjoy realizing there are so many like me out there. And no, it is not the cost of the watches. But I do not want to preach to the choir.
Im an Indian guy replying to the comment of a British guy commenting on Trinidadian guy responding to a German guy on a comment of an Australian guy watching a British guy talking about a Japanese watch on a channel owned by a Swiss company that was founded by a South African guy.... keep it going guys...
The problem with Grand Seiko is it's NAME. Not that there is anything wrong with Seiko watches, but carrying the brand that sells $80 watches doesn't help sell $8000 watches. Lexus would not have done as well had they stubbornly decide to brand themselves as "GRAND TOYOTA"; same logic. They would have gone so much further carrying a distinctly Japanese name that has nothing to do with Seiko.
I'm going to get a lot of hate with this comment. First of all, I admire the finishing and quality of GS, when you look at them on the loupe it looks perfect. I actually went to an invite only GS event just before lockdown. Again I was blown away with the quality and finishing. BUT, their design just doesn't do it for me (I'm sorry). I spoke to a few people in the event, none of them (besides the guest hosts and staff) were wearing GS . Everyone in the event has no doubt about GS unique position, but none of us wants to buy it. In fact I noticed more people wearing Tudors and Vintage Rolex instead (in these types of events people tend to pay respect to the brand by wearing the brand if they own it) . For me, the design has to appeal to me as well as the function, minus being able to read the time the function itself are usually like for like (time and date unless you going with complications), so the design element usually be the focus. For me having "Seiko" on the dial simply feels cheap, it reminds me of their cheap quartz and adding a grand there doesn't really do it for me. Also most of their design is rather office like and a bit "boring". Is like wearing perfectly made rounded toe shoes, but the shoes itself doesn't match with your Tom Ford suit! Watch collecting as we all know can be a bit snobby, I personally find a cheaper Jurghan more appealing than GS. Buying something which might please other people because you wanna convey to others you are a watch nerd but giving up on what you truly prefer in design i truly cannot do.
I'm with you.. tried to like GS, but found their designs just a bit clunky in real life.. I also absolutely hate the feel of Titanium... don't understand why they use it so excessively..
As the saying goes...you can’t please all of the people all of the time.....The submariner is a design classic but I find it too utilitarian and clumsy looking....preferring instead something between that and a dress watch for everyday use. So long as they have a well engineered and well finished product they’ve got good foundations.
@@richardclowes7428 I get what you mean and I totally agree with using a Sub as an example. But my take on it is, would you wear a GS to a pool or the beach VS a sub or perhaps an Explorer 1? Where the Explorer 1 may resemble a slightly closer general aesthetic with GS, GS definitely has a better finished product.
I'm an Indonesian with an American father and Australian mother, and 1 year later, your comments are still cracking me up. Love many things Japanese - started with Gundam, continued with Kyokushin, cars, then Seiko, and Grand Seiko hopefully awaits me in the future.
For the rest of the world "perfection" is something special that should be charged extra. If you ever been to Japan, you know that for Japanese "perfection" is just a standard. They don't understand how you can do a lousy job, even if you're not paid enough to do it. My problem with GS is that I'd love to own a spring drive. The movement, WR, power reserve, everything is great. Yet I can't find the design that I'd instantly fall in love. Every watch has something that would bug me for life. Usually it's the other way around, I love the design, but specs just aren't there. And I'm not the kind of guy that buys a watch with the plan of selling it later in mind. Also I think GS needs to add more precious metals to their production.
Agreed, I feel they need to be less conservative with their designs. Swiss watches often seem to have a more flair to their designs somehow. That said, I’d rather spend my money on a GS any day,
Agree entirely with your comments.. very conservative designs yet so impeccably finished for the price, that it leaves the mind in a conundrum of what to think next..
@@AmericanBusinessman422 It's because it's a myth, maybe with a hint of truth. Weebs somehow think watchmakers in Japan spend endless amounts of time working on their watches then sell them for $3000 and make a profit somehow.
owned a mechanical GS ever since I bought 1 from Japan in 2003. The days when GS was still in its pre hyped stage, exclusively sold in Japan and only a few knew the brand from the outside world. My observations after ownership of 17 years are: 1) It served me well and 2) Improvement of their after sales service which is by the way superior by taking steps to establish worldwide service centers that are really accessible
GS are great watches. Few aspects which I feel can take them to the next level. 1. The fonts for logo. Letter and number are aesthetically not the best 2. The logo and letter print on the back glass is bad and should not be there. 3. The GS bezel in most cases to me feels very ordinary design well
Got to see and handle my first (2 year old) GS about 2 months ago and was blown away by the finish - particularly the sparkle from the polish. Pictures and videos don’t do it justice at all. I always wanted one anyway (simply because I grew up on Seiko - yes, I know...), but the experience of holding one was unreal. I’d urge anyone on the fence to see on in the flesh. They literally sparkle like diamonds.
I would love to see an analysis of average bounce time by watch owners by brand. I can’t help but wonder how many folks who paid Lange 1815 or Saxonia money for a steel Rolex took all those deserved pot shots and still watched until the end. Thank you for really driving the point home with the exact amount of subtlety necessary to do so. Also, hello triggered Rolex owners. It’ll be ok, probably.
My current daily wear is a Tudor GMT and I’m watching the whole thing. I’ve never like the aesthetic of GS but am curious about the accuracy and durability
I love this quote: "An older Rolex still has that tool to do a job charm, a new one is neither one thing or another" . I had a great deal of respect for Rolex when they sold their watches as a good quality, robust tool to tell the time. In the last twenty five years they have lost their way.
this is my favorite video you ever made. undoubtedly because my only high end watch is a grand seiko. But after buying a grand seiko I did find myself thinking why I wasn't getting many compliments on my watch. and everyone I meet that has a rolex, has one not because they like watches, but because they like status. Thank you for this video. I completely agree with everything you said here. the few compliments I do get are really special.
If it makes you feel better, I have a Rolex (my second, an Air King, first was an Explorer I sold). I never get compliments on it, most people don’t care watches. A watch is for you too enjoy. I love my AK (and my El Primero and my Diet Pepsi), none of them really make any sense, just some fun if you are lucky enough to be able to enjoy.
What a great video, I've had a few of these same thoughts around Rolex vs . I can't find a single thing interesting about Rolex from the last few decades. I had a Explorer II for a short time and just found it utterly boring. Moving it on in favour for a vintage racing dial Speedmaster MKII was the best decision I could have made. I had better interactions with watch enthusiasts and to this day I haven't spotted another on someone else's wrist.
Controversy alert! I would love to own a mechanical watch with a movement that I could look at for hours, but I haven’t taken the plunge yet. Why? When I open my watch drawer I am confronted with a plethora of quartz items dating from the ‘80s, all ticking (Seiko VH & VK aside) merrily away within a couple of seconds of each other. I’m not wealthy by any means, but even if I had the cash to splash, I am wary of the stress that would manifest itself when, upon the aforementioned opening, confronted with a watch that requires setting - and even winding! I know that I have a small psychological problem, but I am, otherwise, harmless. Seconds matter to me. The order and contentment that I feel when all second hands and digits are in accord cannot be understated. Thank you for letting me get this off my chest - I feel better already!😻
That's a heat blued hand and not painted. But, the blemish could be from a particle that fell on the hand during the heat blueing process. Happens to the best in the business even with those who boast about "Geneva Seal" and "Hand finishing".
@@yetidh9 A speck of dust is a lot less worse than a messy paint job when you know it was done without any regard or care. Having 1 or 3 particles of dust that fall on the dial while assembling happens to even the best in the business. But say finding a scratched hand or indices where that's a very big no-no. I've seen JLCs and even a few Geneva Seal Vacherons have scratched hands that is very apparent to the naked eye. One of the reasons why I dropped the VC Overseas from my grail list. I mean if Grand Seiko can do a better job for a fraction of the price, then why would I pay 3 or 4 times the price for a VC which is supposed to be way upscale when it comes to quality control?
@@inkhaurt5812 I agree with that. You should get what you pay for. I do think people judge Rolex harshly. For the most part they are mass produced watches priced under £10k (RRP). I very much doubt the GMT hand on a Rolex is hand painted. You can't accuse a machine of not being careful :-)
I own a GS Quartz (I know...horrors! Quartz?) and it is the most perfect watch I've ever owned...ever. Set to atomic time a year ago, and it's maybe 1/2 second off today? The detailed finishing, the durability, the classic 'salaryman' looks. Best I've ever had on my wrist.
i couldn't agree more- i bought the SBGP003 about two weeks ago and its absolutely mind blowing. i have automatic watches, manual wind, and accutron technology in my other pieces, so if i feel the need for something with a mainspring i can reach for it...but i havent felt the need at all. Its the perfect luxury watch.
A friend from school noticed and complemented my King Seiko 56, and we got to talking about restoring his grandfather's Grand Seiko. That's what watch collecting is all about.
why do you make such amazing videos? why do you speak so much personal and accurate stuff?? i feel like you're in my head and it gives me goosebumps on soul level. thank you. i'm sure you know what an extraordinary work you do, yet i'd still want to point that out. thank you for what you're doing, it's simply amazing.
I have been wearing a cheap seiko chronograph daily for 10 years and ever since ive been a huge fan of seiko, their most recent mechanical complication is just other worldly
Call me crazy, but I not interested in Rolex at all. Everyone I know(personally) that has a Rolex bought it for no other reason than it's a Rolex. When I see someone with a Grand Seiko, Zenith El Primero, etc., I see a watch enthusiast who is leaving their dream.
Same with people who buy a Ferrari or Lamborghini. They may love the car and really appreciate it, but it's just as likely they're just like, "alright, I'm rich. What do rich people buy? A Ferrari or a Lamborghini." By contrast, someone who buys, say, a Lotus has to be a car enthusiast.
@@bryancheron6902 The Ferrari comparison is VERY fair. If you watch car videos, you'll see a lot of commonalities in how Ferrari and Rolex operate and their culture. THEY chose the customers that can pursue their products. They both focus on their branding more than innovation.(but still great quality) Both were born out of humble beginnings; Ferrari manufactured tractors and Rolex made tool watches.
@@seanthomxx2694 It's Lamborghini that manufactured tractors, actually. I'm a huge fan of the brand (I've read several books on the company's history andI even went to the Lamborghini museum in Italy once), and I haaaaaaaaaaate the douchey image associated with it.
@@bryancheron6902 right, I got their their history mixed up. But Lamborghini doesn't have the pretense that Ferrari has. Hell, they sent cease and desist to Deadmau5 because of his wrap.
@@seanthomxx2694 I just googled this, and even though I had no idea who Deadmau5 is (I'm guessing some kind of entertainer), it seems it was Ferrari who sent a cease and desist letter to him, not Lamborghini. No?
Got recognised for my GS SBGE211 for the first time recently from a complete stranger with complements on the GS. Ended up in a very nice conversation on watches from enthusiast to enthusiast. It is true what you say. Have witnessed conversations between Rolex owners. The first, second or third question or comment has always been alluding to its' authenticity.
An additional plus for a watch with a GS spring drive is that you can't fake the spring drive sweep, so the question of authenticity can't even come up.
I got a GS SBGJ203 a couple months ago, sold it last month, for two reasons, first, the whole watch got highly polished, so shinning so beautiful, however, it easy to get scratch, you need to wear it extremely carefully to avoid scratch, you can’t like a Rolex, polish yourself by using a polish cloth as GS use special polish method, sending to Japan for polish takes over 6months. My wife got many bags and those bags got many mental parts, too easy to scratch the watch in my case. Secondly, the bracelet is exact the same as my friend’s $500 Seiko presage watch except the buckle, I have no idea why Seiko use cheap bracelet for a $5000 watch, it’s definitely not feel good for me, GS is extremely well made, good for watch but no good for wear. just my opinion.
i have not handled a seiko bracelet, but GS bracelets by no means feel cheap to me. It's one of the most comfortable and solid bracelets ive seen. The extremely delicate polish on the bevelled bracelet edge is top notch. Touch the lazor sharp edge of a Rolex bracelet and you ll know what i mean. As for the micro-adjustment. The half links work perfectly for me, but if anyone see that as a must, one can always go for a sporty model before GS make changes on their dressy models if they will.
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One week after purchasing my Snowflake, I went to a jeweller (different from whom I bought the watch, who do not sell GS) for a strap change. The vendor was indifferent when I tried different straps, but after I picked one and waited for the strap change, the clocksmith himself came to me from his back office praising how good my watch is and how rare it is to see one. I knew already that I've made the right decision but that confirmed it.
When the King Nerd comes out of nowhere to drink with you, you know you nerded correctly & properly.
You were technically correct, which is the very best kind of correct. ;)
Grand Seiko watches are for people who really know watches. I’ll take a GS any day over any Rolex my father and grand father wear.
“Dials that could be hung on the wall at the worlds smallest art gallery” 😂 every video has a few one liners that are so accurate
I'd visit
Me too 😁
So true. Lol 😁
There's no question that Grand Seiko is a display of high level craftsmanship. I have one in my collection but always seem to turn to my rolex watches for my everyday wearers . Just the way it is . I've been wearing Rolex since 1968 and have never been let down, and being an outdoor guy , they're about as robust a peice as you can get . I always am afraid I'm going to scratch up my Grand Seiko so it's regulated to a "going out watch" . Just my experience.
@@timmanion7459 I actually find myself grabbing my Citizen Echo Drive Ti mostly. I couldn't tell you why, I just do.
Best line: When someone spots your Grand Seiko, you're more likely to have the type of watch conversation you want to have.
That's so deeply true
Doubtful.
no such thing as want or type etc, say any nmw
Lol so if it’s a Rolex you can’t have a watch conversation lol Rolex has a far richer history than seiko
@@Megalosmalakas1977 I guess it doesn't have to be that way. What this comment implies is, for someone able to spot a GS, they're most likely to be watch enthusiast. While Rolex, I can bet there's not a single soul who didn't know/heard about Rolex. So, people who can spot Rolex really varies, from watch enthusiast and not.
I'm an Australian guy watching a British guy talk about a Japanese watch on a channel that is owned by a Swiss company that was founded by a South African guy.
Your point is
mr worldwide
@@siryogi1563 British guys asked "Why are you here?"
I'm a German guy reading a comment of an Australian about a British guy talking.... ;)
How do you put all of that thought into the different countries and then don't even talk about the fact that this is all happening on a platform (UA-cam) that is owned by an American company (Google), which bought it from the three original founders, who were each born in three different countries...Taiwan, Germany, and the USA?
I'm a Rolex owner and I agree with pretty much every word of this. I love Rolex but I am acutely aware of how vast and rewarding the world beyond Rolex is. Own and enjoy a Rolex, but don't kid yourself that it's the pinnacle of watchmaking.
Still a sexy brand but i do love that us enthusiasts can all appreciate a lower cost highly finished brand like Grand seiko.
@@stevenc7877 lower cost... Have you checked their website, they don't only have sub 10k models
@@willywampa9022 I mean the Rolex is usually double or more the cost of any Grand Seiko. Grand Seiko isn't a cheap watch but still cheaper than Rolex.
@@stevenc7877 Retail Rolex prices are pretty much in the GS ballpark
@@ekimandersom4478 eeeeehh like an oyster perpetual retails for like 5-6kish, you can get a GS GMT for around that price. Rolex GMT goes for 10-11k.
"Whatever Craftsmanship is in Japanese"... I believe they just call it "work" in Japan.
That's not true. Hand crafted items in Japan are also falling out of style.
@@AIRFORCEFREAK1 😱 say it isn't so!
I have three brands on my grail watch list...
Omega (likely an Aqua terra)
Blancpain Lemans big day/date flyback chronometer,
Or....a Grand Seiko Spring drive.
Guess its gonna have to be a GS spring-drive.
Gotta support the cause!
And to the production team @ watchfinder & Co, thanks for another delightful installment.
It's always special when you wax poetic about our shared addiction.
And if I had to say why I personally love the art of mechanical watch making so much.... they give me...hope.
The Apollo moon landing will always be the pinnacle of what the human mind is capable of.
But so too is a time piece that you can wear on your wrist, and so long as you never stop wearing it....it will never stop telling the time.
Natch!
...gives me hope.
Keep up the good works.
Be well peace.
clb
Dear Andreas, this is one of the smartest comments I've read in a while.
Not true, ever heard of the Japanese term "takumi"? Japanese has this obsession chasing perfection in their craftsmanship, that's why you see sushi or ramen restaurants that serve only 6-7 people, or artisans with handmade goods with very low production volume in pursuit of perfection. They sacrifice monetary profits and take pride in perfecting their craftsmanship.
@@mattiasantangelo9421 Thank you Mattia, much appreciated!
'Whatever craftsmanship is in Japanese is their middle name'
Seiko （精工）literally means refined craft.
Haha nice
1st: The narrator is legendary. Why? We know why!
2nd: Grand Seiko should make a zen garden dial just imagine!!!
ohhhh I really hope they do
There is a presage zen garden dial
@Ian Swinton ahahaha
It exists. Made by a Japanese gentle man. Not grand seiko.
@@sochyvonnnora6035 do you have a source? I would love to see it. Thanks
I saved up for 13 months and lost 30kg, and I'm rewarding myself with a Snowflake. Should have it within the next 4 weeks. I cannot wait to put it on my wrist for the first time. My first luxury watch and I know I'll never sell it
30 kg is a lot. That along with saving for over a year and I'd say you earned that Snowflake. Enjoy!
Congrats on both!
Congrats!!! Well deserved!
Congratulations 👏
I lost 17lbs and rewarded myself with MK2 Explorer
i lost 21 kg in 3mths and i rewarded myself with a snowflake!
Can we STOP talking about GS?! I don't want the price to go up more. Leave GS to us watch nerds and talk about the other brands like Rolex and AP instead.
lol
Bloody hell
😅
Yes.GS absolutely for mysterious & underated people who wanna be themself
Yes please! Stop inflating the brand or it'll reach Rolex level unattainable very soon!
When I see Rolex i feel doubt, when I see a GS I get goosebumps.
I first saw Grand Seiko last year in an upscale department store in Seoul. I thought it was a Rolex then noticed the GS logo. It was a stunningly beautiful piece of craftsmanship. In comparison Rolex is a utilitarian hammer. When I got into work on Monday I showed my fellow watch nut friend the photos and asked if he’d heard of Grand Seiko. As excitedly as you explained in the video he was also like a school boy telling me all about the brand and the backstory. Grand Seiko is the watch for the true watch connoisseur. Not some wannabe with no idea what he’s wearing on his wrist or why he’s wearing it.
"Is that Rolex real?"
"They probably also have one and chances are, it will be better."
Probably the biggest reasons why I'm extremely skeptical about buying a Rolex. I'd rather answer "What's a Grand Seiko?" than "is your Rolex real?"
Brilliant thought. I have no doubt that the movement in a Rolex is excellent but that’s not why people buy them. It’s the 911 of the watch world. The excellence of the brand. Poseurs buy them to impress.
Admittedly, it's the same thought every time I see people showing off Rolex on social media. Unless they are super rich, 99% I assume are fakes.
@@zamiryusof8239 Rolex is the only company in the world which actually wants the fake industry to exist and thrive. The fakers are doing a very special kind of marketing and advertising for Rolex at no cost at all! :D It's a symbiotic paradox, if such a phrase makes any sense... Certainly nothing to do with watchmaking as such. And also the reason why I will NEVER buy a Rolex. However, we have to admit that this is one of the key factors behind yet another paradox - the fact that every year Rolex keeps increasing the number of watches they produce while at the same time getting more and more expensive (sic!?). Consumer madness at its best. Or worst. The jury is still out... :) Cheers!
I couldn’t agree more
That and people know they are worth money and will rob you for it
5:18 "At least 3 other brands you'd rather have"
*anyone who watches this channel*
1. A
2. Lange
3. Sohne
F.P. Journe
Exactly these two came to my mind.
Lange, Journe & Moser
GreubelForsey, Ferdinand Berthoud, Roger Dubuis, H.Moser&Cie. and so on and on and on...
Philipe Defour
3 reasons GS is better than Rollie:
1: LOOK
2: AT
3: IT
There, saved you some time
@User 2389 I mean...who really cares, If people wear watches and wearing said watches makes them happy thats good
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@User 2389 Go ahead, tell me what makes a Rolex superior to a GS. Design? That’s subjective. Finish? No comparison, GS is clearly superior. Movements? Whatever you think of the Spring Drive, it is innovative and the Hi-Beat movement is superior to any Rolex movement.
....and please don’t tell me about resale value and staus. I couldn’t give a shit.
Brilliant!!!
I do wish they'd stop putting all that crap on the glass case back though.
It really ruins the watch for me
@@damianrossrealestate Agreed... it cheapens what are otherwise utterly beautiful watches.
Seiko and GS is a tacky brand today, they are nothing like how they were in the past. It will only get worse, except for the most expensive models the rest of the lineup will be shit like this.
@@gmshadowtraders Your definition of what constitutes "shit" is amusing. We're talking about some graphics on the case back, get some perspective.
@@leftpastsaturn67 Absolutely! Bit of a silly comment if I’m honest...
The blue logo on the reverse blocking a clear view of the movement is just an abomination.
I fully agree. That printed emblem on caseback crystals needs to go ASAP and can admit to that even though I'm a fan of 𝔾𝕣𝕒𝕟𝕕 𝕊𝕖𝕚𝕜𝕠.
I look at it as lingerie on the movement. One can see everything. You just have to look closer. It is their ethos.
@@j.c.3598 Lol. It's more like the annoying little brother blocking the TV on purpose asking for a beatdown 🤣.
Fully agree. It's like painting a mustache on the Mona Lisa.
Ruins the view . Hate it.
He was spot on with the Rolex question.. "Is it real?" also "how much did it cost?"
LOVE the last line. I am more likely to have a conversation about watches with someone who is wearing a Grand Seiko than a Rolex. My boss wears a Rolex Submariner. I started chatting him up about the recent (at the time) record breaking sale of the Paul Newman Rolex Daytona that I read about. He had never heard of the daytona, or the knew anything about the headline.
lol! my buddy got a Rolex Oyster Perpetual and i was like broo i love ur Oyster Perpetual.. he was like my what??? i was like your ROLEX!!!! wtf!?!?!
The moment you know a piece was bought for the compliments alone.
What was the saying? "You buy a Rolex to impress others. You buy a Grand Seiko to impress yourself."
🥱
Is that the saying? I've never heard that before, but it's apt, and something I'll remember.
Did you coin that? ;)
Basically Apple's "think different".
impressing others is what matters
Receiving compliments on your watch sure do is a great day maker, when i someone says to me "nice watch" i want to tell them all about the history and the engineering nedded to achieve it, but i jus hold back and say "thank you".
Sometimes is pretty hard to hide my power level.
It's always good to get that "nice watch" compliment except when you're urinating in a urinal. 😂
The literal one thing that irks me about GS is the printing on the exhibition caseback. It obscures the great view behind it.
Yeah man! That really spoils it. Why give that exhibition caseback in first place if that stupid painted emblem was your priority?
@@jauharshahbaz even further, why decorate a movement to obscure it
Exactly. And before you purchase it, you had better be certain the hands on the quartz models line up on every tick mark. They don't on mine, and I've seen several GMTs that also have that problem. While my much less expensive Casio lines up perfectly. Be careful and don't buy sight unseen.
Agreed, I think its because their information that typically lives on the caseback on most their watches. It still needs to be there so they crowd the exhibition back lol
Ehh have you ever seen it in real life? My snowflake has it and I literally need to tilt it in the sun to see it
Shame they didn’t polish the back of the second hand when it can be seen in the minute hand reflection.
That's too much, even Patek is not finished as a sekio
😬
I bet if you send it back to Grand Seiko with that exact complaint they would polish it for you with no questions asked. :) Moreover, I bet they would start doing it on every new watch they produce as standard practice! :)
You’ll have the kind of conversation you’d rather have.
Perfect.
The dial on this piece is crazy, and it's just a steel GMT.
I believe "Craftsmanship" in Japanese is just "another Tuesday".
Damn that reflection at 7:13 had me replaying it multiple times
In the last 6 months, watch channels have been jumping on the GS bandwagon. I don't like it. I'm saving to buy one. All this hype is gonna make them more expensive.
don't worry..it ain't 😉...you can buy them at low price everywhere...and not even to talk about the depreciation at second hand market...
I know! I’ve been looking at them for a couple of years now. Don’t have the money but am waiting for the day. But that may get further and further away...
i shouldn't boter if i were you;.........
5:25. 3 brands I’d rather own instead of Patek.....
1). Jaeger LeCoultre
2). A. Lange & Sohne
3). F.P. Journe
Brands id rather own than a Patek...
1) literally anything not named Hublot
@@jaer.6540 nico has done well I see
because you can't even get on the wait list lol.
GS and Jaquet Droz : dials
ALS and FP.Journe : engineering
Rolex : investment
RM and iced out PP : rappers
Hotel : trivago
😂😂😂
Sinn : guys who know a good watch when they see one
GS knows something about innovation with movements too.
Patek?
@@chrish3540 Patek is Rolex for rich people. When you want to impress people beyond the middle class.
Oh boy, that's one of the best episodes EVER! 😂 The narration is on such a tormenting personal level it hurts. But in a good way. There are so much lines in it that would be worth quoting that it wouldn't fit in a single comment. Keep it coming, Watchfinder!
I am proud to say my first ever high end watch was a GS. I don't care about brand recognition - I care about horology, quality, craftsmanship. Several watches later and my GS is still probably the overall favourite in my collection.
One day you will move up to Rolex..I envy you....I remember the feeling of my first Rolex.
@@thetruthhurts7500 hahaha. Good one. I've actually got a Rolex. An Explorer. Beautiful watch - I absolutely love it. It's somewhere in the middle of my collection: not as good as my GS Spring Drive Snowflake, my JLC Reverso Duoface, or my Omega Speedmaster Moonwatch Aventurine (though I know comparing a time only to a chronograph isn't a fair comparison). The Rolex is, however, better (in my opinion) than my IWC Portugieser Automatic, my GS Hi-beat, and my Omega Globemaster
I feel sad for you that you think horology peaks with Rolex. You poor thing.
I lost count at how many times I paused and rewound the video, just to admire the beauty of this watch. That's a testament to Grand Seiko's craftsmanship, and a sincere compliment to your photography.
The scratch on the bottom of the seconds hand was brothering my soul for no reason
Wait?! Isn’t Grand Seiko perfect??
The only watch that you can admire the underside of the hands
Someone will probably be fired for that mistake, or worse
Agree, if everything is that perfect, even the tiniest blemish will seem gigantic
Brandon de Graaf or worse 🤣
Lowkey your most profound video. A potentially game-changing, if not reluctant, future manifesto for the next generation. Superb.
The Japanese are master at making things superior and functioning . I love the grand seiko ..
For me, no problems with this one. As far as sheer excellence in watchmaking, the Swiss can still outdo Seiko, but IMHO only when they really stretch themselves, as for example with the Brequet Classique Chronometier (sic?) or AP's Altiplano Ultimate Concept (featured in one of your other fascinating videos). The later is not just impossibly thin at 2mm, but one of the most interesting dials I've ever seen. But those are both insanely expensive...10-30x the $$ of a Grand Seiko.
Wearing a $20K Rolex would just remind me what a dumb ass I was for spending so much on a very ordinary watch.
Unfortunately, the most comment I’ve got so far is, „you spend all that much for a sEiKo?“
Very few people of the general mass have an interest on the mechanics and details, or dare I say modern day horology.
Most are only interested/cared for the brand cachet.
Same cliches I’ve always received for my JLCs, Moser and GP.
Be it from ignorance, but the general mass likes to utter the usual, „if it’s not a Rolex, you’ve chosen poorly“.
I don't think it's a bad thing because I can easily be understated and wear my high horology timepieces daily.
I get what you mean. but.. the history of the watch and the company is so meaningful to some... I really enjoy reading up and listening to horological content! I don't understand most of it but it's fascinating!
It's hilarious. I compared my GS with my coworker's Rolex. He agreed that mine looked sharper and more stunning, but he would never choose a GS over a Rolex. He said the same about my JLC. People are way too enamored with the Rolex name.
@@kingsleycy3450 but he would chose a patek or a vacheron over a rolex wouldst he?😋
@@kingsleycy3450 some of us just don't care about Rolexes. The only one I wish I'd bought was a Newman Daytona back in the early 90s, and really only because I'd have flogged it for a fortune. I just can't get excited about them.
‘Ok so it make us seems like nerd’
‘For clarity, we are’
Yes we are watch nerds for sure no way around it
"...but a passionate nerd is worth 10 times than an impassioned follower of the herd." (quite poetic Mr. Narrator ^ ^)
My three watch which I will have instead of a patek are
GRAND SEIKO
A LANGE & SOHNE
JLC
ALS
Vacheron
Breguet
Mine too
Very Good Choices. Its between JLC and and AP for me.
Mine is
A. Lange and sohne
F. P. Journe
Grand Seiko
1- 𝑩𝒓𝒆𝒈𝒖𝒆𝒕.
2- 𝐒𝐄𝐈𝐊𝐎 / 𝔾𝕣𝕒𝕟𝕕 𝕊𝕖𝕚𝕜𝕠.
3- 𝐁 𝐕 𝐋 𝐆 𝐀 𝐑 𝐈.
I came for the ads, but there's a watch video that keeps interrupting them.
The only thing they need to fix is the clasp. On my GS the clasp is not the most secure closure and worst of all no micro adjustability on the fly or any adjustability. ALL watches above 3000 dollars should have micro adjustment on the fly. I love my GS, but don't wear as often as I would like simply because it's not always comfortable.
Rolex bracelets are for me the most comfortable bracelets and even the basic easylink is great.
GS listened and now have a better clasp with micro adjustment it’s very good. New models
@@davidtaylor9082 Can you point to a review or a reference to one of these new models?
Yes, the bracelets seem to be their main weakness. BTW, do you ever get an compliments on your GS?
dasmesser1 I have the SBGJ237 bought it a couple of weeks ago and I’m impressed now with new improved bracelet. Just wish I had it on my snowflake too
John Flink nope but I’ve never really had compliments on any of my watches Patek/AP/Rolex/GP.. I think the last was my Tudor when it first came out (Brown bronze) and once with my GP
As a proud owner of this "Kiku", I can safely say that this watch looks much better on the blue leather strap it comes with. The steel bracelet kinda dilutes the impact of this truly outstanding dial
The finishing of the dials in Grand Seiko are phenomenal. But it definitely has its flaws. Case thickness and bracelet are areas I think definitely need improvement, I truly hope in the future they have the opportunity for a tapered bracelet model and are able to tone down the case dimensions just a tad.
This dial is incredible. Wow! And accurate, yet subtly stated jabs at the Crown. One of your best narratives yet IMO. Lastly, the commitment by Grand Seiko to finishing and iterative refinement is commendable.
I learnt nothing specifically about any one watch here, yet I find myself replaying this video on loop for days... Lots of people give out tech specs but very few people convey emotions and feel better about anything at all as done here. Keep up the great work and may you continue to find inspiration from GS and others to make content like this and convert people to watch enthusiasts! I am an absolute Seiko fan and would like to get GS as a grail watch though its a hard choice especially with the dials they have brought out recently. My 'grail' watch changes every time I see a new dial and that is saying something.
Man these videos keep getting more and more entertaining. And I'd rather get a Grand Seiko over a Rolex in a heartbeat anyways because I think the Japanese watch industry is far more consumer friendly than the Swiss. Casio, Citizen, Seiko: all highly respected brands because they make watches that work and work well. I'm in love with my Seiko 5 and my G-Shocks, all combined cost less than $400 new.
Totally agree with your sentiments. Up until for some time I still couldn't get my head around the fact that Grand Seiko could be placed a notch or two higher than Rolex. But that thought is slowly waning as I read more and more not just of the history of GS but the effort it is putting into its creation is astounding, beyond belief. As I delve deeper and deeper into the above mentioned literature and taking closer look at GS time and again I'm slowly trying to realise what the hype is all about. And believe me it makes sense. I recently saw the current Seamaster and other variations of it, only to be disappointed by the fact that none of it actually held me spellbound. Compared to a GS you can easily tell the lack of finisse. I spent less than 10 mins on each of the variants trying to see what is there that could see the Seamaster on my wrist but nothing really ticked. Glad I saved myself 10g.
Shsh, don’t let everyone know too much about GS! I want to be able to afford one someday. 😉
Exactly, Rolex is a great watch but GS is a watch that tell you the wearer is in the know
It will never appreciate in value, because the "Seiko" on the dial devalues it on some level regardless of what fanboys want to say. No one is going to start paying far over retail for Grand Seikos outside of some diehard fanboys. There's a reason Toyota didn't call Lexus "Grand Toyota".
@@Shintsu2 there aren't many luxury watches that appreciate in value anyway. Even luxury brands like Omega, Zenith, JLC and Blancpain depreciate. And all he people who pay less than retail prices as well
@@seanthomxx2694 only watch brands appreciate are certain rolex models, patek phillpe and fp journe
The Snowflake is my grail watch.
You really need to look into GS more. There are so many better looking models than the Snowflake. People tend to say that Snowflake is the one because that's the only model they know about.
You need to set higher goals xP
Did you try it on? I tried to like it but the look and feel was disappointing in the metal.
@@jeanraspail2979 I felt the exact same way! Last time I were in Japan, I visited the seiko flagship store in ginza just to get the Snowflake, because I like everyone else had it like my holy grail. But when I had it on my wrist, my reaction was "is this it..?"
It's not a bad watch, I was just expecting so much more, and I had hyped it up way to much in my head. Plus, the light weight threw me off too much. It felt cheap because of the weight. So I got another GS instead.
@@RustyNotesTV yes, my main gripe is the Titanium, I don't understand why GS use this material so excessively... I find the SBGY003 interesting too, maybe I get the chance to try it on sometime
This was such a great video. One of your best and I've been a fan for years. It is as well-written as it is expertly shot. Bravo!
I'm ready to be chuffed
Edit: okay i said this before the video started but at 9:08 sounds like he is saying chuffed. *I SEE YOU'RE A MAN OF CULTURE AS WELL*
ok ciao
I need to show my wife's boyfriend this video
I bet someone's chuffed to bits ok ciao
I wore a Seiko Presage Mockingbird and used the attention it brought me to talk about the horology trials. It’s light-catching dial even managed to draw some interest, only for ppl to find even more details like dual-finished hour/minute hands, and contrasting gold secondhand.
If I ever own a G.S, I’m just gna hand it to them next time. It’s mirror finishing and intricate dials speak it’s own story...
This is by far the best video on this channel. It is incredible how accurately you have captured the true essence of a watch enthusiast's admiration and love for watches which doesn't necessarily defy any rational or logic for reasoning
I felt like he was talking directly to me. I have so few people I can talk watches to. I lurk in these channels comments and just enjoy realizing there are so many like me out there.
And no, it is not the cost of the watches. But I do not want to preach to the choir.
@@doncorleon9 Amen brother👍
That's the reason this channel exists
Im an Indian guy replying to the comment of a British guy commenting on Trinidadian guy responding to a German guy on a comment of an Australian guy watching a British guy talking about a Japanese watch on a channel owned by a Swiss company that was founded by a South African guy.... keep it going guys...
The problem with Grand Seiko is it's NAME. Not that there is anything wrong with Seiko watches, but carrying the brand that sells $80 watches doesn't help sell $8000 watches. Lexus would not have done as well had they stubbornly decide to brand themselves as "GRAND TOYOTA"; same logic. They would have gone so much further carrying a distinctly Japanese name that has nothing to do with Seiko.
I'm going to get a lot of hate with this comment. First of all, I admire the finishing and quality of GS, when you look at them on the loupe it looks perfect. I actually went to an invite only GS event just before lockdown. Again I was blown away with the quality and finishing. BUT, their design just doesn't do it for me (I'm sorry). I spoke to a few people in the event, none of them (besides the guest hosts and staff) were wearing GS . Everyone in the event has no doubt about GS unique position, but none of us wants to buy it. In fact I noticed more people wearing Tudors and Vintage Rolex instead (in these types of events people tend to pay respect to the brand by wearing the brand if they own it) . For me, the design has to appeal to me as well as the function, minus being able to read the time the function itself are usually like for like (time and date unless you going with complications), so the design element usually be the focus. For me having "Seiko" on the dial simply feels cheap, it reminds me of their cheap quartz and adding a grand there doesn't really do it for me. Also most of their design is rather office like and a bit "boring". Is like wearing perfectly made rounded toe shoes, but the shoes itself doesn't match with your Tom Ford suit!
Watch collecting as we all know can be a bit snobby, I personally find a cheaper Jurghan more appealing than GS. Buying something which might please other people because you wanna convey to others you are a watch nerd but giving up on what you truly prefer in design i truly cannot do.
That's okay, the design doesn't speak to everyone.
I'm with you.. tried to like GS, but found their designs just a bit clunky in real life.. I also absolutely hate the feel of Titanium... don't understand why they use it so excessively..
As the saying goes...you can’t please all of the people all of the time.....The submariner is a design classic but I find it too utilitarian and clumsy looking....preferring instead something between that and a dress watch for everyday use. So long as they have a well engineered and well finished product they’ve got good foundations.
@@richardclowes7428 I get what you mean and I totally agree with using a Sub as an example. But my take on it is, would you wear a GS to a pool or the beach VS a sub or perhaps an Explorer 1? Where the Explorer 1 may resemble a slightly closer general aesthetic with GS, GS definitely has a better finished product.
I understand what you mean. It should always be what excites the wearer.
I'm an Indonesian with an American father and Australian mother, and 1 year later, your comments are still cracking me up. Love many things Japanese - started with Gundam, continued with Kyokushin, cars, then Seiko, and Grand Seiko hopefully awaits me in the future.
2 am watching this . your voice is so zen
wow...this is a work of art. It's elegant, beautiful, classic and modern at the same time. It's painfully beautiful.
For the rest of the world "perfection" is something special that should be charged extra. If you ever been to Japan, you know that for Japanese "perfection" is just a standard. They don't understand how you can do a lousy job, even if you're not paid enough to do it.
My problem with GS is that I'd love to own a spring drive. The movement, WR, power reserve, everything is great. Yet I can't find the design that I'd instantly fall in love. Every watch has something that would bug me for life. Usually it's the other way around, I love the design, but specs just aren't there. And I'm not the kind of guy that buys a watch with the plan of selling it later in mind. Also I think GS needs to add more precious metals to their production.
Agreed, I feel they need to be less conservative with their designs. Swiss watches often seem to have a more flair to their designs somehow. That said, I’d rather spend my money on a GS any day,
Obviously you've never driven a car from Japan.
Agree entirely with your comments.. very conservative designs yet so impeccably finished for the price, that it leaves the mind in a conundrum of what to think next..
@@AmericanBusinessman422 just fyi, ironically most of Japanese cars are made outside of Japan.
@@AmericanBusinessman422 It's because it's a myth, maybe with a hint of truth. Weebs somehow think watchmakers in Japan spend endless amounts of time working on their watches then sell them for $3000 and make a profit somehow.
I have 2 vintage GS, one automatic(1974) one quartz(1989). They are both this sharp and beautiful, and take from the same design cues.
*Video opens*
"Why are you here?"
Me: "Because I saw title and I want to see your arguments, magic Macro lens man."
owned a mechanical GS ever since I bought 1 from Japan in 2003. The days when GS was still in its pre hyped stage, exclusively sold in Japan and only a few knew the brand from the outside world. My observations after ownership of 17 years are: 1) It served me well and 2) Improvement of their after sales service which is by the way superior by taking steps to establish worldwide service centers that are really accessible
GS are great watches. Few aspects which I feel can take them to the next level.
1. The fonts for logo. Letter and number are aesthetically not the best
2. The logo and letter print on the back glass is bad and should not be there.
3. The GS bezel in most cases to me feels very ordinary design well
Got to see and handle my first (2 year old) GS about 2 months ago and was blown away by the finish - particularly the sparkle from the polish. Pictures and videos don’t do it justice at all. I always wanted one anyway (simply because I grew up on Seiko - yes, I know...), but the experience of holding one was unreal. I’d urge anyone on the fence to see on in the flesh. They literally sparkle like diamonds.
Really liked the Video & the Message!
I would love to see an analysis of average bounce time by watch owners by brand. I can’t help but wonder how many folks who paid Lange 1815 or Saxonia money for a steel Rolex took all those deserved pot shots and still watched until the end. Thank you for really driving the point home with the exact amount of subtlety necessary to do so. Also, hello triggered Rolex owners. It’ll be ok, probably.
My current daily wear is a Tudor GMT and I’m watching the whole thing. I’ve never like the aesthetic of GS but am curious about the accuracy and durability
Great explanation on the GS. This is definitely my next watch purchase.
GS spring drive tech is truly one of a kind, just like AP's Royal oak and Rolexe's Daytona.
tech that is one of a kind and DAYTONA + ROYAL OAK?? vut
I can see the quality in GS, but still waiting for a design that grabs me.
Given Japanese reluctance to ever venture out, perhaps in 10-20 years they might have something for you...
thank you!
@@Shintsu2 I'm afraid you're right.
Fair!
Is there anyone who didn't know that?
Your mom didn't know that😂🤣👍🍻
yes, the guy who bought 17 million dollars Paul Newman's Rolex Daytona 😉
Juuuust as I was starting to roll my eyes you made the "this is all starting to sound quite hipster" comment and redeemed yourself.
I'll name three brands:
A. Lange and Sohne
Jaeger-LeCoultre
Grand Seiko
JLC is god tier
My holy trinity. Got the GS already . next one would be JLC
@@boogiecrisostomo7160 Same goal... let's roll!
@Earl James agree. But for me.. it would be vintage omegas. I have a 70s omega seamaster and i wear it everyday to the office.
Credor is Seiko's highest tier watch
I love this quote: "An older Rolex still has that tool to do a job charm, a new one is neither one thing or another" . I had a great deal of respect for Rolex when they sold their watches as a good quality, robust tool to tell the time. In the last twenty five years they have lost their way.
this is my favorite video you ever made. undoubtedly because my only high end watch is a grand seiko. But after buying a grand seiko I did find myself thinking why I wasn't getting many compliments on my watch. and everyone I meet that has a rolex, has one not because they like watches, but because they like status. Thank you for this video. I completely agree with everything you said here. the few compliments I do get are really special.
If it makes you feel better, I have a Rolex (my second, an Air King, first was an Explorer I sold). I never get compliments on it, most people don’t care watches. A watch is for you too enjoy. I love my AK (and my El Primero and my Diet Pepsi), none of them really make any sense, just some fun if you are lucky enough to be able to enjoy.
That imperfection in the head of the GMT hand, though...
What a great video, I've had a few of these same thoughts around Rolex vs . I can't find a single thing interesting about Rolex from the last few decades. I had a Explorer II for a short time and just found it utterly boring. Moving it on in favour for a vintage racing dial Speedmaster MKII was the best decision I could have made. I had better interactions with watch enthusiasts and to this day I haven't spotted another on someone else's wrist.
Cool story…
Controversy alert!
I would love to own a mechanical watch with a movement that I could look at for hours, but I haven’t taken the plunge yet. Why? When I open my watch drawer I am confronted with a plethora of quartz items dating from the ‘80s, all ticking (Seiko VH & VK aside) merrily away within a couple of seconds of each other. I’m not wealthy by any means, but even if I had the cash to splash, I am wary of the stress that would manifest itself when, upon the aforementioned opening, confronted with a watch that requires setting - and even winding!
I know that I have a small psychological problem, but I am, otherwise, harmless. Seconds matter to me. The order and contentment that I feel when all second hands and digits are in accord cannot be understated.
Thank you for letting me get this off my chest - I feel better already!😻
Sounds like poetry. The best line was, when he said "seikoanalyst"
I love this guy's sense of humor. Thank you for psychoanalyzing us all!
You said it, I believe it
That was so good, I feel like buying one!Could listen to this bloke's voice for hours.
Is that a blemish on the GMT hand 0:08? Are they outsourcing the paint work to Rolex now?
Looks like dust to me. Probably a quirk of handcrafted manufacturing.
That's a heat blued hand and not painted. But, the blemish could be from a particle that fell on the hand during the heat blueing process. Happens to the best in the business even with those who boast about "Geneva Seal" and "Hand finishing".
@@TheDanny3330 Ha ha so if it's on a GS it's a quirk? If it was on a Rolex they would be lambasted in the comments.
@@yetidh9 A speck of dust is a lot less worse than a messy paint job when you know it was done without any regard or care. Having 1 or 3 particles of dust that fall on the dial while assembling happens to even the best in the business. But say finding a scratched hand or indices where that's a very big no-no. I've seen JLCs and even a few Geneva Seal Vacherons have scratched hands that is very apparent to the naked eye. One of the reasons why I dropped the VC Overseas from my grail list. I mean if Grand Seiko can do a better job for a fraction of the price, then why would I pay 3 or 4 times the price for a VC which is supposed to be way upscale when it comes to quality control?
@@inkhaurt5812 I agree with that. You should get what you pay for. I do think people judge Rolex harshly. For the most part they are mass produced watches priced under £10k (RRP). I very much doubt the GMT hand on a Rolex is hand painted. You can't accuse a machine of not being careful :-)
I own a GS Quartz (I know...horrors! Quartz?) and it is the most perfect watch I've ever owned...ever. Set to atomic time a year ago, and it's maybe 1/2 second off today? The detailed finishing, the durability, the classic 'salaryman' looks. Best I've ever had on my wrist.
i couldn't agree more- i bought the SBGP003 about two weeks ago and its absolutely mind blowing. i have automatic watches, manual wind, and accutron technology in my other pieces, so if i feel the need for something with a mainspring i can reach for it...but i havent felt the need at all. Its the perfect luxury watch.
I hope they make a day-date diver with Spring Drive for grand seiko soon. Awesome video. Keep up the good work.
A friend from school noticed and complemented my King Seiko 56, and we got to talking about restoring his grandfather's Grand Seiko. That's what watch collecting is all about.
7:23 This is gold!
“PR-resistant goggles” hahah. Yes, everyone needs some of those. Beautiful watch and great video. 👍
why do you make such amazing videos? why do you speak so much personal and accurate stuff?? i feel like you're in my head and it gives me goosebumps on soul level. thank you. i'm sure you know what an extraordinary work you do, yet i'd still want to point that out. thank you for what you're doing, it's simply amazing.
I have been wearing a cheap seiko chronograph daily for 10 years and ever since ive been a huge fan of seiko, their most recent mechanical complication is just other worldly
You made me cry, I got sentimental and filled with joy.
Proud owner of a Seiko
GS... Someday
Call me crazy, but I not interested in Rolex at all. Everyone I know(personally) that has a Rolex bought it for no other reason than it's a Rolex. When I see someone with a Grand Seiko, Zenith El Primero, etc., I see a watch enthusiast who is leaving their dream.
Same with people who buy a Ferrari or Lamborghini. They may love the car and really appreciate it, but it's just as likely they're just like, "alright, I'm rich. What do rich people buy? A Ferrari or a Lamborghini." By contrast, someone who buys, say, a Lotus has to be a car enthusiast.
@@bryancheron6902 The Ferrari comparison is VERY fair. If you watch car videos, you'll see a lot of commonalities in how Ferrari and Rolex operate and their culture. THEY chose the customers that can pursue their products. They both focus on their branding more than innovation.(but still great quality) Both were born out of humble beginnings; Ferrari manufactured tractors and Rolex made tool watches.
@@seanthomxx2694 It's Lamborghini that manufactured tractors, actually. I'm a huge fan of the brand (I've read several books on the company's history andI even went to the Lamborghini museum in Italy once), and I haaaaaaaaaaate the douchey image associated with it.
@@bryancheron6902 right, I got their their history mixed up. But Lamborghini doesn't have the pretense that Ferrari has. Hell, they sent cease and desist to Deadmau5 because of his wrap.
@@seanthomxx2694 I just googled this, and even though I had no idea who Deadmau5 is (I'm guessing some kind of entertainer), it seems it was Ferrari who sent a cease and desist letter to him, not Lamborghini. No?
Absolutely fantastic. Love it! You have just explained and made it simple for that you know who.
At least with Grand Seiko I don't get people asking me if it's a fake. Instead I get "oh it's a Seiko, what's the difference?"
One of the best videos yet! I wholeheartedly agree with everything you said here. Buy a Rolex to impress others; buy a GS to impress yourself.
A grand seiko would not impress me at all 🤷♂️ rather my Rolex thanks 🙏
I have both, and I like them both, for slightly different reasons. There is no need for turf wars.
@@dak4utube As long as it makes you happy then no dramas 👍
GS makes superior watches. This is coming from a Rolex fan
Only downside with them amazing polished hands are you can see the underside of the second hand isn't finished at all , plus why no lume
Got recognised for my GS SBGE211 for the first time recently from a complete stranger with complements on the GS. Ended up in a very nice conversation on watches from enthusiast to enthusiast. It is true what you say. Have witnessed conversations between Rolex owners. The first, second or third question or comment has always been alluding to its' authenticity.
An additional plus for a watch with a GS spring drive is that you can't fake the spring drive sweep, so the question of authenticity can't even come up.
I got a GS SBGJ203 a couple months ago, sold it last month, for two reasons, first, the whole watch got highly polished, so shinning so beautiful, however, it easy to get scratch, you need to wear it extremely carefully to avoid scratch, you can’t like a Rolex, polish yourself by using a polish cloth as GS use special polish method, sending to Japan for polish takes over 6months. My wife got many bags and those bags got many mental parts, too easy to scratch the watch in my case. Secondly, the bracelet is exact the same as my friend’s $500 Seiko presage watch except the buckle, I have no idea why Seiko use cheap bracelet for a $5000 watch, it’s definitely not feel good for me, GS is extremely well made, good for watch but no good for wear. just my opinion.
i have not handled a seiko bracelet, but GS bracelets by no means feel cheap to me. It's one of the most comfortable and solid bracelets ive seen. The extremely delicate polish on the bevelled bracelet edge is top notch. Touch the lazor sharp edge of a Rolex bracelet and you ll know what i mean. As for the micro-adjustment. The half links work perfectly for me, but if anyone see that as a must, one can always go for a sporty model before GS make changes on their dressy models if they will.