q7w7e7r7t7y7u7i7o7p Beezy is right. Vettel was allowed to change the setup of the car because he started from the pits. Therefore he went for topspeed (normally grip and lower top speeds, RBs hit the limiter fairly soon always up until the end of 2012), with the downforce still available to the RB doing the rest in the corners.
No Vettel and Alonso are both very good drivers. But I think Alonso is a little bit better than Vettel, because he is in difficult situation (fu****g ferari) fast, too. But Vettel has in this season so much like Hungary : SC, then the drift but that wasnt so important, Austria : 1 Lap no power, Monaco: very good start but no power. The same in australia
It's funny to see people say he only won because of his car, but when Hamilton won 4 championships with a WAY more dominant car than the Red Bull, nobody pays attention to that, it's sad of how salty some people are, 2010 and 2012, the car was not too dominant as the Red Bull lacks a bit of reliability.
s1mplytrolling so true Red Bull 2012 was so unreliable and a couple of times people crashed into him especially Brazil that was a man on a mission he destroyed the field
Interestingly enough, Vettel and RB’s dominance was far bigger than Hamilton and Mercedes’. People often forget how Vettel did grand slam weekends a lot during those years, the record breaking 2013 season goes without mentioning.
People's stupid logic: - Vettel wins: "Oh he's bad driver, can't overtake only good car, nothing else" ... then he goes from last place to 3rd and everyone's like: "Oh he is bad only good car, that's why he was 3rd" ... but then when Alonso overtakes 1 man in entire race: " ALONSO IS GOD, he is 10 times better than Vettel, with 5 times worse car" ................. WHATEVER
***** Your right, he had the best car but come on he won 4 championships in a row, meanwhile Webber got like 4th or 5th in the same car. you dont have to say that he is the best driver in the world or anything like that, but he is very good and actually not that old. i mean he is 7 years younger than alonso... and is nearly the same level, when alonso was in vettels age, he was often far away from vettels speed.
MmMmMmMmMmM ♦wtf♦Ⅻ MmMmMmMmMmM Alonso won the championship in 2005 (24 years old when he started season 25 years old when he won title) and 2006 and in 2007 he just missed out as he did in 2010 and 2012. Alonso is probably the best race pace driver in the grid. Only Ricciardo is starring more then Alonso this year.
And the only world champion in the history of F1 , who has won the title in a final 4 way showdown with 4 other world champions on the grid... And fun fact : Hamilton has never won a single title in which he had more than 1 final contender... Hamiltom can't win when there are multiple contenders in the final race , but Vettel can...
Tell me one driver over the last twenty years who became world champion with anything other than the dominant car!! The last IMPRESSIVE champ was Schumacher in 1994 who won the title in the Benetton Ford who only had a V8 engine, Williams and the most other teams a V10!!! The best car is part of a champion because they all can drive fast. Vettel's overtaking here was amazing. Good job. And think of Melbourne 2015! He was the power behind the Mercedes, way faster than Raikkonen and all others! HE IS LEGIT!!!!
Alain Prost won in 1986 without the best car. Ayrton Senna won in 1991 without the best car. Michael Schumacher won in 1995 without the best car. Fernando Alonso won in 2006 without the best car. Lewis Hamilton won in 2008 without the best car. Vettel has never won a championship with anything less than the best car.
The Undisputed I wrote THE LAST impressive champion was Schumi 94'!! The 1995 Benetton with the Renault engine was a real opponent for Williams!! The Renault 2006?? No other car was better this year! Hamilton 2008? What car worked better than McLaren 08? Ferrari? Over the full season? NO! The Mc was also a winner-car! Schumi 94' with a V8 against the V10!! This is history!!!!
Willy Machmer-Walker The underbody part of the Benetton was not correct, true, that's why he was disqualified! The rest was in regulations. To fight V10's with a V8 over a full season and match them!! Outstanding!
windi1982 The pole ratio in 1995 was 12:4 in favor of Williams. I guess that was because Coulthard and Hill were such amazing qualifiers, eh? No, Williams was just the outright best car. In 2006, Ferrari won 9 races to 8 races for Renault. Massa's results were overall better than Fisichella's. Alonso just drove better than Schumi that season. Likewise in 2008, Ferrari won 8 races to only 6 for McLaren. Ferrari had the best car, Hamilton made the difference.
Afdhelknight So you're telling me because Vettel has more Championships then Ayrton Senna who had 3 that Vettel is automatically better? Stats dont mean anything, when comparing drivers, skill does and his skill showed when Riccardo outraced him in the same car last season....
Abu Dhabi and Brazil still remain two of Alonso's greatest throws in history. Not being able to beat Raikkonen with a better car in Abu Dhabi and then not being able to win in Brazil despite the car literally being Merc-tier overpowered in the rain will forever stain his legacy, which right now can be summed up in a single phrase: "good, but there was always at least someone out there who was better."
Waow! When I tuned in to watch that race and saw Sebastian in the 20s position, I turned off the TV. But I was so surprised to see him in third after the results were posted. Truly amazing! Great skill, great persistence
Alonso and Hamilton are "better" than Vettel? Last 5 years (2009-Present) Vettel - 60 podiums, 37 wins and 43 poles Alonso - 42 podiums, 11 wins and 5 poles Hamilton - 32 podiums, 13 wins and 18 poles Vettel has 13 MORE GP wins than Alonso and Hamilton COMBINED in the last 5 years and 20 more pole positions than both of them COMBINED as well. This alone illustrates that Vettel is in a completely different category. Numbers do not lie. Historically the best driver with the best car dominates. That is not to say that the best drive always has the best car. If we put the best car over the past 5 years into the hands of say, Jensen Button there is no mathematical probability that he could have achieved anything close to similar results. The only way that is mathematically possible is if there was a VAST difference in performance and speed between their two cars consistently over the past 5 years in every race. Such a vast difference does not exist. Analysis: The skeptics say the "car" is why Vettel wins and not his driving ability. There is no way to calculate any type of mock statistic here but we can hypothetically swap Hamilton and Vettel into each others cars for the past five years. We cannot use Alonso because he has the "second best car" within the last five years given his results and therefore it would be illogical that Vettel's car and not his driving ability is again vastly superior to his closest competition. In this hypothetical scenario Vettel had been driving Hamilton's cars for the pest 5 years - however only with McLaren as the Mercedes transition and car issues are too difficult to figure in. For the sake of argument let's remove HALF of Vettel's achievements over the past 5 years. That is already far more generous seeing as his car is not "twice as good" as his closest competitor nor that of Hamilton's McLaren. This puts Vettel with roughly 30 podiums, 19 wins and 22 poles. Although this a mock scenario we can see that Vettel's numbers are on par with Hamilton over the course of five years when slashing his results in half and putting him in the hypothetical third best car. If you continue to break down the numbers and facts you reach a core question: Why is Vettel 2x higher than his closest competition? His car is clearly not 2x faster. Faster car? Look at this from a logical stance and nothing more. Take the top 5 drivers and put them all in Vettel's car for GP qualification. Pretend in all 5 examples each of the drivers set the best lap and attains pole position. Imagine a mock race with 4 overlays on the screen. Vettel is P1 but the second overlay is a ghost image of Alonso in P1 and so on. On the ghost overlays you have the normal drives in their poled positions. For example if Alonso in his own car has P9 then he is P9 in every layer except the layer where he is P1. Got it? The race begins and P1 moves slightly ahead.. but here is the problem with this.. Alonso and Webber tend not to have the best starts so either of them might be overtaken by P2 or P3 into turn one. If you try writing this out by yourselves.. lap by lap (skip around), how many scenarios can you play out where P1 is 32.6+ seconds ahead of P2 and 53.1+ seconds ahead of P5? I am not talking about racing ability and variables here.. just pure math and logic alone. A potentially slightly faster car beating P2 by 32.6 seconds in a GP (2013 Singapore)? To be technically correct Rosberg started in P2 for grid - P1 beat original P2 by a spread of 51.1 seconds. Rosberg might have encountered various delays and it is a testament to Alonso going from P7 to 2nd. Sorry for how long this is! All intellectual replies are welcomed. Try to keep it calm and use only facts and not personal opinions. Basing your opinions off of hard facts are fine :)
Facts? okay how abut the fact that when red bull was given a situation where mercedes, lotus and ferrari were as quick earlier this season, all they did was winge and cry and say "we want new tyres", that ruined this years racing
Raj Ravichandran Where is your point here? Thanks for actually reading my book though lol. I recall that earlier in the year many teams were basically boycotting Pirelli and demanding changes because there were serious issues during one or two races.. I believe this was right before Monza. We can cite numerous teams making heavy public complaints about tires during the season so is it far fetched to come to a potential conclusion that Red Bull was also having tire issues? I also wonder (and this is an open question) if Red Bull's tire issue were slowing them down and therefore other teams were just as quick because of the differential or were those 3 other teams somehow able to manipulate their cars over whatever course of time and suddenly we have 4 teams having the fastest cars on the track at the same time? If the latter were actually true we would have seen this throughout the past few seasons. If the latter were true it would mean each of the races where the 4 teams are "as quick" would result in theoretical photo finish races where the separation is within a few seconds at best. To analyze your comment - other cars=as fast, red bull complains = season sucks. This seems like a very closed minded and biased view you are throwing at me. Tire issues were a giant highlight of this season for all teams.
pablouvedoble I have deleted your disrespectful post. Senna died at the peak of his career and everyone says he would have went on to become the best racer in F1 history due to the numbers he was going to post. The path he was on showed that he was going to potentially break all of the records. More importantly Senna's pure racing style was mind blowing and changed the history of F1. Schumacher himself declares that Senna is the best racer of all time. To come here and say that since the numbers alone indicate Schumacher was better than Senna on paper just to try and prove me wrong is extremely disrespectful to the memory of Senna, to F1, to the people here and most importantly to yourself. We simply speculate that Senna would have went down as the best in history and with great respect for his legacy we all simply bow down and grant him the title of GOAT and I join the millions around the world in doing so. Never use the shortened life of Senna to try and prove a point against me.
Obviously the Red Bull car is not twice as good as the others, what do you expect the other cars to be setting lap times double the amount of Red Bull's? The car doesn't need to be double as good as others, it doesn't really matter whether it's 10,5 or even 1 second a lap faster any decent driver would be able to win in that car. So for you to say halving Vettel's achievements is a more than fair way to compare him to Alonso and Hamilton is stupid, it really is. There is no exact percentage you can take off Vettel's stats to make a fair comparison, it just doesn't work. Also it's quite clear that Alonso hasn't had the 2nd best car over the last 5 years. Overall in a whole season he has only had the 3rd best car at best. Senna R.I.P real shame what happened to him! However you try and use stats to back up you're claim about Vettel being great and then when the stats are not in you're favour with Senna you just magically make them up and assume he would have got them which is nonsense. Senna was a bit of a cheat tbh and not the greatest sportsman of all time. He cheated Prost out of a title and that's the bottom line. I see comparisons between Senna and Schumacher but the only difference is Senna never gets called out for the BS that he done. Also there is no guarantee Senna would have even won another world title and he probably should only have had 2 heading into the 94 season. This ain't disrespectful, it's just the truth.
That's Seb, not the car. I've never seen Webber go so much faster than other drivers in the exact same car, while Vettel can do it. Also, you have to remember that he won a race in a Toro Rosso in extremely difficult conditions, something that people forget very often these days. Seb has the best car, you can safely say that, but it's his talent which makes him do all these seemingly impossible things. Before you ask: I'm a Ferrari/Alonso fan.
Every year Vettel's been in formula 1 he seems to be in a league of his own in the last 4-5 races. He seems to step up to the plate and drive better while under pressure, that's how he won the 2010 and 2012 world championships despite trailing the leader for a lot of the season.
He has battled. Most notably in Spain 2011, Monza 2011, through the start of 2012 with a car he wasn't happy with, in Abu Dhabi and Brazil to get to the front from ending up at the back, and all through this year. He's doing some of his best, most aggressive driving this year. People who say he's had it all easy and hasn't to fight are kidding themselves. You don't get into F1 and into a top seat by luck or fortune.
I think most people understand that overtaking at the back of the pack was like a shark in a minnow tank. The passing gets more difficult the further up the order you get. This is an elementary concept of racing. Thanks for bringing it up for everyone who is under five years old. Ultimately, you are missing the point. He started from the pit lane, in last place, and finished on the podium. And pitted for a new wing. At the end of the season, the person with the most points deserves the title.
The fact is he will be one of the best drivers ever in the sport... As much as people will love and hate him, at the end of the day he has been the best for 3 years straight. And yes he has a great car, but he also has a team mate driving the same car who has never finished the driver's championship better than 3rd. People love to bring down the people that rise above so its no surprise there is Vettel hate :P Even though I know Vettel will win this year, Go Kimi!
With respect - how can you possibly say he hasn't done anything special in F1? He's breaking world records here, there and everywhere, he's a qualifying master, he's more consistent than anyone and still improving, and hasn't taken himself out of a race due to a mistake since Turkey 2010 - three years! He may have a good car, but so do people like Grosjean, Webber and Massa. What have they achieved? Please, give Vettel some credit. What he has achieved should not be overlooked.
Honestly his car looked as a starship among the others so,put apart mere entertainment,I wouldn't be so enthusiastic about this specific performance.I also agree about his weakness under pressure,getting a bit too daring when strictly chased,possibly lacking in a full mastering of his nerves. At the same time we should admire this guy,still so young,being able to get the leadership in his team since his earliest steps in F1,driving a winning car with minor mistakes for three seasons to the WCT.
I'm a huge fan of vettel and I've been since his first win .. And I can clearly see ur point, but as I said the future will prove that he's a great driver .. Cheers :)
I really like reading haters' comments on vettel's videos, lets get a recap: Vettel has 3 championships, 30 victories, 53 podiums, 39 poles and 18 fastests laps. all of that in 111 starts. Also win in an inferior car in 2008 and amazing performances in Abu Dhabi and Brazil 2012, with Britain 2010. Alonso has 2 championships, last won in 2006, 32 victories, 92 podiums, 22 poles and 20 fastest laps. Also plentiful of "Fernando is faster than you" and "we need to hope", bunch of excuses.
A lot of people keep saying the car this year "doesn't suit Vettle's style". That is a understandable argument, but part of F1 is adapting to what ever car you are in. If Riccardo can adapt better to different cars than he deserves three wins and countless number of fantastic drives this season. Year by year cars change and In my opinion adapting to the car is just as important as just being fast in the right conditions(Reb Bull 2010-2013). Vettle is a great driver in my opinion, but I do believe he is over rated and Hamilton and Alonso show the most talent and consistency in ANY car year after year. I know I just started a shit storm with Vettle fans or Lewis haters :/
He's actually a good underdog performer. 2010 abu dhabi, 2012 abu dhabi, 2012 brazil. When he has a handful of points to spare though, he's more defensive and uncomfortable, leading to mistakes.
Yas Marina is one hell of a track! Straights to extremely hard braking. Hairpins to top it off. Trying to go this November if not this year, next year it will be.
only one question to all vettel haters : why you hate him... he never said bad things about someone, he never did something like alonso in his hungarypitstop(in q3)2007, his team radios after a race are sometimes funny (like yabadabahdu ringdingedingdingding in barcelona 2011). the only reason i think why you hate him, is because he is successfull. so in 2009 no one really hated him (maybe a few) in monza 2008 all celebrated him but now everyone forget that
This is much more a display of how good a team RBR is than of an individual performance. For that you really do have to look at, for example, how moving up such a great number of places was executed rather than staring blindly at the results.
Apparently, Schumacher's Benetton had a "razor thin" sweet spot which made it extremely difficult to drive. Well 9 wins and the total decimation of Hill in a Newey designed car speaks volume for the sheer brilliance of Michael Schumacher. The best was yet to come. Senna once spoke of going to Ferrari when his best days were over. Schumacher went to Ferrari and rewrote history!
Overtook HRT's, Marussia's, Caterhams, both Williams, Di Resta Grosjean and Ricciardo. Verne and Schumacher let him pass and Rosberg, Hamilton, Grosjean, Perez, Webber and Massa crashed(wich mostly drive in top 10 during a GP). Then made a awesome overtake on Button. But the RedBull team helping him by changing Webber's strategy and bringing him in way earlier, and the 2nd SC is what brought him on the podium, normally a race driver dont gets this amount of luck in 1 single GP.. but fun to watch
omg I still cant believe vettel overtook jenson button... man I mean 4th place is good enough... I mean if he would of crashed button, he would of lost all those points and all the hardwork he did to overtake... and also possibly a grid penalty for the next race... damn vettel is ballsy... he even sprayed the fruit cider on coulthard and cussed on the podium celebration... Man wat about the crazy overtakes in brazil... vettel may have ag ood card but hes ag ood driver
just like the last race (spain/2014). he got 4th place and started from 15... in the race he even was at 21 cause of the 3-stop-strategy. just an awesome driver. i love him :D hope he is back in shape now and gets comfortable with the new car. but if vettel doesnt win this year, i hope nico will do it. :D germany for the win. liebe grüße aus deutschland :)
The only overtakes he had to fight for were against Grosjean and Button, because they were the only ones who had cars (McLaren & Lotus) able to complete with Red Bull.
I actually love how suborn you are! The reason he doesn't start from the back every race is because there isn't a guarantee of having multiple safety cars to help also it is much harder to drive usually because most teams tend to pit once less in that situation which forces a driver to focus and preserve on his tyres . And I see you commented on the video of the SSC Ultimate Aero. The Body of that car is fiberglass. The ssc ultimate Aero TT is the one with carbon and titanium.
Clearly the car was so much faster enabling him to overtake so easily. Anybody could have. Not taking anything away from Vettel. He is a great driver, no doubt, but some other drivers are greater like Hamilton or Alonso.
Fannnboyyy :DD I don't mind Vettel and I know he's a great driver but I'm gonna be honest, when his gearbox broke in Silverstone I was kinda happy to see another driver win. Webber drove an amazing race too. P.S. Kimi's the best :DD
He achieved it the same way most great drivers do: he was a test driver for BMW Sauber, then he joined a lesser team called Toro Rosso, scored them their first ever points, beat his team mate in the process, won them their first pole and converted it into a win, then moved up to a Red Bull that was NOT considered a great team, and scored them their first pole and win, championship etc..he deserves all he's done. What about Hamilton, who was with McLaren from beginning and always had a good car?
What I remember is that it took him about 3 laps to damage his front wing wich he could replace after a incident with toro rosso during the safetycar, wich killed his tire strategy, so was forced to a 1 stop, and after everyone did their 2nd stop wich gave Vettel 2nd place, a magical 2nd safetycar came and give him a free pitstop and could close up behind Button with new tires who was 20 seconds infront of him before SC.. But those moves on Marussia and HRT and Grosjean were incredible
Vettel must've been doing superbly in that 2012 season despite that front wing damage and putting all four of those beautiful wheels over that white line.
My judgment is based on what he shown so far compared to the others drivers. I am more than willing to see what more he can do. If you are right it would be great for F1 and for you too as you seem a fan
So did Alonso. He won in a better car. The renault was the best car so far these 2 years. Yet Vettel joined the Formula 1 in a BMW in the USA GP. Finished in Points as a 17 years old. Won 2008 in Monza in a Toro Rosso. He's a 3 times WC. And if it goes on like that, he is going to be a 4 times WC. And he is still leading the WC 2013. In the 3rd best car so far...
i dont understand how he can pass so many people on the straights, im new to F1 but it seems the car is simply alot faster. I know vettel's a great driver, but it seems his car is just unbeatable
Dan Brewer The irony is the red bull cars are one of the slowest in the straights. The reason he is overtaking the, is his car has far more downforce so he can get far better exits and corner exit speed is 10-15mph higher then most of the backmarkers he overtook and on fresh tires at the end. Only this year in 2014 they have managed to close gap abit in top speed to smaller teams by running skinny wings but obviously the mercedes destroy the red bull in acceleration to top speed.
by the way of all the overtakes in this video there is only one that you can consider "not that easy", the rest are all linear or due to accidents ahead of him
Well put,he has never had a true competitor inside his team nor has he ever challenged tough opponents on equally performing cars. I put him in the pack of todays' true topdrivers though,alongside with Hamilton and Alonso:with different rules and the 3000cc.cars cars these guys would give us a great show imho.
i would agree. at the minute having the best car for the last few years he hasn't had the chance to prove his worth by winning in a slower car. i think he has the potential to do it but like you said will come in a few seasons
Wanted to say something about that in the comment but had to less letters.. but for me theres a big diffrence between those races, I think Button did make more overtakes, the weather, was fallen to the back of the field 1 or 2 more times then Vettel did, and in 21th place with 30 laps to go he ended up winning the race But you're right, its the same amount of luck what made that drive possible in terms of safety cars
At the first safety car he was so lucky Ricciardo broke in front of him and just when he was avoiding there was a sign and he broke his front wing, what a luck he had in the qualification also! OMG, must have been the luckiest driver in the weekend.
in 20 years people will watch this video and whine about how awesome F1 was today and how the drivers were "real legends" and how they needed "real skill".
I don't know man, Kimi is looking seriously fast and if Ferrari come back strong after the summer break it will be close. I have a feeling we are going to have an exciting 2nd half this year.
How was Vettel able to be so much faster than the other drivers? Was it his car, or something to do with the tires/strategy? (I'm a noob, dont know much about F1, thats why I'm asking)
Definetly the 2 safety cars of the race were ''enable'/called in the right time after vettel's pit stop. So he didn't lose time at all because of the safety car. In addition, he was stopping before all of hte cars on track, so when the safety car came in, all those cars, except Vettel, were still needing to pit stop for tyre change. It was more luck and strategy than hability or the car in this race.
Well, Vettel does have the best car, but who's to say that Alonso or Hamilton can do better given the same car? Vettel already has a huge advantage over the Ferraris and Mercedes', would you say he was a better driver if he won by even bigger gaps? I'd say that would be even more fucking boring to watch. Whatever Vettel seems to do is directly attributed to the car and the brain of Adrian Newey, but Vettel is just making use of his better equipment
Regardless of Vettel's car he tends to get really great starts during the actual races. If he is not starting P1 in virtually every race we can deduce that either the car is not as fast or the driver is less superior on that track compared to another driver or there was some type of issue. The fact that Vettel does not get P1 for every race shows that other cars were faster around the track than his car. My point to this being that if his car was in fact MUCH FASTER than it would be down to mechanical issues or driver errors for him to not attain P1 in each race. People saying Vettel has a faster car is fine but there is a limited amount of logic behind a statement like that. He does have plenty of issues from time to time with the car and his car cannot legally be much faster than the other cars. His potential advantage over the other drivers is extremely small given that F1 has turned into an engineering battle. With that said the "best car" should only be winning a race within a few seconds (under 5) because the advantage is not insurmountable. Winning a race by 30+ seconds is a clear indication that the driver and not the car destroyed the opposition. Alonso has issues with qualification runs which results in his grid starts. That forces him to try and make up for lost positioning. Alonso is a really great driver but he (like everyone) has his issues. Alonso also tends to have some issues on starts as well and in most races we find Alonso attempting to make up positions throughout the race. In contrast there are races where Alonso drives brilliantly and dominates everyone else. Hamilton makes more mistakes than Alonso and this season has shown that Hamilton might be losing mental confidence in his abilities OR his car is just garbage.. one or the other during each race. In my opinion Raikkonen is a superior driver to Hamilton and I am very excited to see what he can do back in a Ferrari. Saying something like "Vettel already has a huge advantage over Ferrari and Mercedes" is a very powerful and empty statement. This is only possible if Ferrari and Mercedes have been plagued by problems throughout virtually every race for the past 4 years consecutively. Red Bull has a slight advantage over Ferrari and Mercedes and this can be proven with facts time and again. All teams have had various problems with the cars but few people are bothering to bring the drivers into question. Button for example has slumped heavily over the past 3 years and this might be due to confidence instead of saying his car is simply inferior for every race over the past 3 years. The drivers desire to win and their confidence are paramount in all sports. Take Alonso this year; he starts Bahrain in P3 and finishes 8th. In the very next race he is obviously motivated being in Spain and badly wants to win. He starts P5 and wins the race but then the very next race in Monaco he starts P6 and ends 7th. These three races can illustrate that the driver of the car is playing a massive factor behind their own abilities. Vettel's "huge advantage" is his own confidence and nothing more. There is probably not much difference between his driving ability and that of his competitors. His car holds a small advantage IF applied absolutely correctly during the entire race weekend. Logic alone explains that if he wins by even larger gaps then he is a superior driver within that race unless you fool-heartedly believe Red Bull is cheating and their car is holding a "huge advantage" over the field. Many people turned away from F1 while Schumacher was dominating F1 each season. The same happened while Jordan dominated the NBA and Roger Federer dominated pro tennis. I have met many people who turned their back to their sports during those periods and I have questioned why they would do such a thing and they simply say "the sport is boring when someone is dominating it". People obviously thrive to see a competitive sport and are usually too pre-occupied to notice they are witnessing world history in the making. Rather than embracing world records being broken at every turn by this young professional many people lash out and complain that the races are boring since the same person continues to excel. This type of thinking is absurd and has no place in professional sport. If the sport is lacking competition then it is the fault of the competitors to better themselves and pose a formidable challenge in order to create competition. The truth about F1 is that Vettel has a pure desire to win and be the best and he is willing to go out there during each race and give it 100%. Webber is 37, Alonso is 32 and Button is 33 - as racers we have seen all of them dip over the past few years. There comes a point where you have been racing for so long and things are simply not going your way. How much are they going to fight for their lives out there to try and string together GP titles? Schumacher's come back illustrates that even with a superior driver in a decent car, age and desire make the most difference. Schumacher had nothing to prove out there to win. I am sure he would have liked to have won some GP titles just to make himself feel accomplished about his return but being older and having all of the success behind you really takes away from the ability to dig deep and push. Hamilton is only 28 and should be posting much better results. My opinion is that when his confidence and desire to win is at its highest he posts his best results (obvious in psychology). This does not appear to be a consistent trend with him and he seems to let the problems of the team and the car weigh too much on himself. His results this year have been terrible. Five poles, 4 P2 starts and 1 GP win. The great poles should be an indication that his car is not the biggest issue for Mercedes. F1 has become a battle of the garages. The cars are all extremely similar now and this will continue and tighter. If this is boring for you the best suggestion is to stop watching the sport. I am enjoying watching world history unfold before my eyes. I do not enjoy that the races are so technical and I rather enjoy the racing of the 90's to this by a far margin but we cannot change what has happened in F1. "Whatever Vettel seems to do is directly attributed to the car and the brain of Adrian Newey," - Adrian is the team manager and Vettel is his subordinate. The employee listens to the boss.. business tends to work best that way. F1 is no longer being dominated by the drivers pure abilities where they are put onto a track and can do whatever they like. The sport is fully controlled by the team and Vettel is a key component of that team. This is why you hear Vettel over team radio after a win saying "I love you guys, I believe in you, you are the best". He is not saying "I am the best, I am number one and I did this alone". Vettel is very humble and quite aware that the only reason he even has a chance to win ANY GP event is due to the superior efforts of his team as a whole. Thanks for reading :) UA-cam is seriously going to regret giving me the ability to write entire books as replies..
Seriously mate..You must consider of writing a Formula one Blog or join the commentary team..You've got great insights....You could a pull chunk of money following what you really know....
Athul kumar thanks for reading the long posts :) My F1 history is very small compared to lifetime fans and my racing knowledge is intermediate at best. I have seen a few people posting on youtube who probably know considerably more than I do but perhaps they do not take the time to articulate their comments :) Cheers
Wodz30 "Vettel's "huge advantage" is his own confidence and nothing more". Alonso is considered the best driver in F1. So is not about the confidence. This race, Abu Dhabi, came after winning 4 consecutive races. Vettel had the best car in the track, and you can see it: He can brake 10 meters later, he can push the throttle before, he has more grip in high speed corners... Dude, are you trying to say that if you are old you have no motivation to win? You don't have more than 30 years, right? All i want is a good teammate to Vettel. Ricciardo is not a bad driver, but i want Hamilton or Hulkenberg. Next season we are gonna see if Alonso the best driver or not. Teams like Raikonen-Alonso is what F1 needs.
I am not a hater and I am not bitching at all. Sounds more like you. My point was and still is simply the fact that I believe there are at least 3 better drivers than Vettel who proved to win/podium with a car that on a rank is 6 or 7th etc. The overtakes in the video are pretty much regular, a part from 1. Your question: it's more complicated than that; they share GENERAL info, but not always (eg Prost/Senna); cars are personalized and don't forget they are still competing against each other
This race showed very much about Vettel as a race driver. Damn fast, brave and a real fighter. But also that he feels very uncomfortable when racing for the world championship.
Relax, why all the hate against vettel. according to your own theory, look at the clown in 1:11 and look at him again this year. All of them make mistakes and remarkable races don't they?
+EhjFa550 Uh, Toro Roso 2008? I can't remember hamilton or rosberg winning a race in superior Williams or a non-competitive McLaren, com-on wtf you're just another one of those guys
EhjFa550 lol lmao dude haha wtf kudos to all your whiny reasons, I think you should tell me all your reasons why or if you think other drivers are better. I'm just stating why I think each guy has got their own brilliant races. Dafuq stop wasting my time
+SmokerFace12 yea yea yea and we see vettel winning in malaysia, singapore in fucked up ferrari blablah... Biased shit like you as always there will be. What's wrong with "they're all good in different ways"
no advantage? he was an entire lap behind the lead car about 2 minutes behind to be more precise, both safety cars allowed him to gain about a minute and a half in time which in F1 is colossal!
And there always will be people who will say that Vettel cant drive and overtake lol !
he clearly has the superior car
Mc Beezy lol ok....
q7w7e7r7t7y7u7i7o7p Beezy is right. Vettel was allowed to change the setup of the car because he started from the pits. Therefore he went for topspeed (normally grip and lower top speeds, RBs hit the limiter fairly soon always up until the end of 2012), with the downforce still available to the RB doing the rest in the corners.
he crnt thats why
RENO RENS Rrrrrrrrright. Now turn off your Playstation and let the real men talk boy.
2012 was an awesome year! Lotus, Ferrari, McLaren and Redbull all were on their A game. What an awesome year it was.
***** Indeed. And 7 or 8 different winners in the first part of the championship, one of those being Maldonado lol.
Crazy season.
+Forgotten Mustard I have to give him credit since he got pole at qualifying.
Vettel is one of the best drivers in the world.
It´s posible but Alonso is better than Vettel
No , no he isn't :D
vettel is the best...hahahahahahahahahahhah good joke
No Vettel and Alonso are both very good drivers. But I think Alonso is a little bit better than Vettel, because he is in difficult situation (fu****g ferari) fast, too. But Vettel has in this season so much like Hungary : SC, then the drift but that wasnt so important, Austria : 1 Lap no power, Monaco: very good start but no power. The same in australia
i think the same
It's funny to see people say he only won because of his car, but when Hamilton won 4 championships with a WAY more dominant car than the Red Bull, nobody pays attention to that, it's sad of how salty some people are, 2010 and 2012, the car was not too dominant as the Red Bull lacks a bit of reliability.
s1mplytrolling so true Red Bull 2012 was so unreliable and a couple of times people crashed into him especially Brazil that was a man on a mission he destroyed the field
Interestingly enough, Vettel and RB’s dominance was far bigger than Hamilton and Mercedes’. People often forget how Vettel did grand slam weekends a lot during those years, the record breaking 2013 season goes without mentioning.
@@rtide EGHM 2014 (merc won every race but 3) and 2016 (merc won every race but 2) where far more dominant by merc then any RB years.
@@adamix1010 he said vettel not rb
Yh but people really do hate Hamilton’s many merc championships it is very boring
People's stupid logic: - Vettel wins: "Oh he's bad driver, can't overtake only good car, nothing else" ... then he goes from last place to 3rd and everyone's like: "Oh he is bad only good car, that's why he was 3rd" ... but then when Alonso overtakes 1 man in entire race: " ALONSO IS GOD, he is 10 times better than Vettel, with 5 times worse car" ................. WHATEVER
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Your right, he had the best car but come on he won 4 championships in a row, meanwhile Webber got like 4th or 5th in the same car. you dont have to say that he is the best driver in the world or anything like that, but he is very good and actually not that old. i mean he is 7 years younger than alonso... and is nearly the same level, when alonso was in vettels age, he was often far away from vettels speed.
Well, it seems that you finally understood it...
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Alonso won the championship in 2005 (24 years old when he started season 25 years old when he won title) and 2006 and in 2007 he just missed out as he did in 2010 and 2012. Alonso is probably the best race pace driver in the grid. Only Ricciardo is starring more then Alonso this year.
Nissangtr786 Shut the fuck up , you arrogant little hater . Just enjoy this beautiful sport . Your'ruining it with your stupid misconceptions .
jrstudio Alonso is overrated..
Got to love that attitude he shows on the radio. Never lift. The attitude of a winner and a great driver
And the only world champion in the history of F1 , who has won the title in a final 4 way showdown with 4 other world champions on the grid...
And fun fact : Hamilton has never won a single title in which he had more than 1 final contender...
Hamiltom can't win when there are multiple contenders in the final race , but Vettel can...
Tell me one driver over the last twenty years who became world champion with anything other than the dominant car!! The last IMPRESSIVE champ was Schumacher in 1994 who won the title in the Benetton Ford who only had a V8 engine, Williams and the most other teams a V10!!! The best car is part of a champion because they all can drive fast. Vettel's overtaking here was amazing. Good job.
And think of Melbourne 2015! He was the power behind the Mercedes, way faster than Raikkonen and all others! HE IS LEGIT!!!!
To be fair the '94 benetton was completely against regulations
Alain Prost won in 1986 without the best car.
Ayrton Senna won in 1991 without the best car.
Michael Schumacher won in 1995 without the best car.
Fernando Alonso won in 2006 without the best car.
Lewis Hamilton won in 2008 without the best car.
Vettel has never won a championship with anything less than the best car.
The Undisputed
I wrote THE LAST impressive champion was Schumi 94'!!
The 1995 Benetton with the Renault engine was a real opponent for Williams!!
The Renault 2006?? No other car was better this year!
Hamilton 2008? What car worked better than McLaren 08? Ferrari? Over the full season? NO! The Mc was also a winner-car!
Schumi 94' with a V8 against the V10!! This is history!!!!
Willy Machmer-Walker
The underbody part of the Benetton was not correct, true, that's why he was disqualified! The rest was in regulations. To fight V10's with a V8 over a full season and match them!! Outstanding!
windi1982
The pole ratio in 1995 was 12:4 in favor of Williams. I guess that was because Coulthard and Hill were such amazing qualifiers, eh? No, Williams was just the outright best car.
In 2006, Ferrari won 9 races to 8 races for Renault. Massa's results were overall better than Fisichella's. Alonso just drove better than Schumi that season.
Likewise in 2008, Ferrari won 8 races to only 6 for McLaren. Ferrari had the best car, Hamilton made the difference.
he makes it look easy
I love vettel as a fan, very happy to see this thank you so much man
Great overtakes vettel!
and so much hate on vettel. Vettel and alonso are the best FACT. but also the FACT is vettel has more championships. haters can say whatever
Afdhelknight So you're telling me because Vettel has more Championships then Ayrton Senna who had 3 that Vettel is automatically better? Stats dont mean anything, when comparing drivers, skill does and his skill showed when Riccardo outraced him in the same car last season....
Alonso is better 🙂
Little late but....
@@TheAventadorSV By that , Daniil kvyat is better than Ricciardo too...
Lewis is better than both COMBINED😂😂😂😂😂😂
Abu Dhabi and Brazil still remain two of Alonso's greatest throws in history. Not being able to beat Raikkonen with a better car in Abu Dhabi and then not being able to win in Brazil despite the car literally being Merc-tier overpowered in the rain will forever stain his legacy, which right now can be summed up in a single phrase: "good, but there was always at least someone out there who was better."
Back then those cars were equal. The ferrari was nowhere near as good as it seemed
@@kas_3126Cars equal in F1? Lol.
Here i am after Vettel won the literal overtake award even though ppl say he can't overtake
Waow! When I tuned in to watch that race and saw Sebastian in the 20s position, I turned off the TV. But I was so surprised to see him in third after the results were posted. Truly amazing! Great skill, great persistence
Alonso and Hamilton are "better" than Vettel?
Last 5 years (2009-Present)
Vettel - 60 podiums, 37 wins and 43 poles
Alonso - 42 podiums, 11 wins and 5 poles
Hamilton - 32 podiums, 13 wins and 18 poles
Vettel has 13 MORE GP wins than Alonso and Hamilton COMBINED in the last 5 years and 20 more pole positions than both of them COMBINED as well. This alone illustrates that Vettel is in a completely different category. Numbers do not lie.
Historically the best driver with the best car dominates. That is not to say that the best drive always has the best car. If we put the best car over the past 5 years into the hands of say, Jensen Button there is no mathematical probability that he could have achieved anything close to similar results. The only way that is mathematically possible is if there was a VAST difference in performance and speed between their two cars consistently over the past 5 years in every race. Such a vast difference does not exist.
Analysis: The skeptics say the "car" is why Vettel wins and not his driving ability. There is no way to calculate any type of mock statistic here but we can hypothetically swap Hamilton and Vettel into each others cars for the past five years. We cannot use Alonso because he has the "second best car" within the last five years given his results and therefore it would be illogical that Vettel's car and not his driving ability is again vastly superior to his closest competition. In this hypothetical scenario Vettel had been driving Hamilton's cars for the pest 5 years - however only with McLaren as the Mercedes transition and car issues are too difficult to figure in. For the sake of argument let's remove HALF of Vettel's achievements over the past 5 years. That is already far more generous seeing as his car is not "twice as good" as his closest competitor nor that of Hamilton's McLaren. This puts Vettel with roughly 30 podiums, 19 wins and 22 poles. Although this a mock scenario we can see that Vettel's numbers are on par with Hamilton over the course of five years when slashing his results in half and putting him in the hypothetical third best car.
If you continue to break down the numbers and facts you reach a core question: Why is Vettel 2x higher than his closest competition? His car is clearly not 2x faster.
Faster car? Look at this from a logical stance and nothing more. Take the top 5 drivers and put them all in Vettel's car for GP qualification. Pretend in all 5 examples each of the drivers set the best lap and attains pole position. Imagine a mock race with 4 overlays on the screen. Vettel is P1 but the second overlay is a ghost image of Alonso in P1 and so on. On the ghost overlays you have the normal drives in their poled positions. For example if Alonso in his own car has P9 then he is P9 in every layer except the layer where he is P1. Got it? The race begins and P1 moves slightly ahead.. but here is the problem with this.. Alonso and Webber tend not to have the best starts so either of them might be overtaken by P2 or P3 into turn one. If you try writing this out by yourselves.. lap by lap (skip around), how many scenarios can you play out where P1 is 32.6+ seconds ahead of P2 and 53.1+ seconds ahead of P5?
I am not talking about racing ability and variables here.. just pure math and logic alone. A potentially slightly faster car beating P2 by 32.6 seconds in a GP (2013 Singapore)? To be technically correct Rosberg started in P2 for grid - P1 beat original P2 by a spread of 51.1 seconds. Rosberg might have encountered various delays and it is a testament to Alonso going from P7 to 2nd.
Sorry for how long this is! All intellectual replies are welcomed. Try to keep it calm and use only facts and not personal opinions. Basing your opinions off of hard facts are fine :)
Facts? okay how abut the fact that when red bull was given a situation where mercedes, lotus and ferrari were as quick earlier this season, all they did was winge and cry and say "we want new tyres", that ruined this years racing
Raj Ravichandran Where is your point here? Thanks for actually reading my book though lol. I recall that earlier in the year many teams were basically boycotting Pirelli and demanding changes because there were serious issues during one or two races.. I believe this was right before Monza. We can cite numerous teams making heavy public complaints about tires during the season so is it far fetched to come to a potential conclusion that Red Bull was also having tire issues? I also wonder (and this is an open question) if Red Bull's tire issue were slowing them down and therefore other teams were just as quick because of the differential or were those 3 other teams somehow able to manipulate their cars over whatever course of time and suddenly we have 4 teams having the fastest cars on the track at the same time? If the latter were actually true we would have seen this throughout the past few seasons. If the latter were true it would mean each of the races where the 4 teams are "as quick" would result in theoretical photo finish races where the separation is within a few seconds at best. To analyze your comment - other cars=as fast, red bull complains = season sucks. This seems like a very closed minded and biased view you are throwing at me. Tire issues were a giant highlight of this season for all teams.
pablouvedoble exactly, sir sterling moss has no titles that doesn't mean he's as bad as luca badoer
pablouvedoble I have deleted your disrespectful post. Senna died at the peak of his career and everyone says he would have went on to become the best racer in F1 history due to the numbers he was going to post. The path he was on showed that he was going to potentially break all of the records. More importantly Senna's pure racing style was mind blowing and changed the history of F1. Schumacher himself declares that Senna is the best racer of all time. To come here and say that since the numbers alone indicate Schumacher was better than Senna on paper just to try and prove me wrong is extremely disrespectful to the memory of Senna, to F1, to the people here and most importantly to yourself. We simply speculate that Senna would have went down as the best in history and with great respect for his legacy we all simply bow down and grant him the title of GOAT and I join the millions around the world in doing so. Never use the shortened life of Senna to try and prove a point against me.
Obviously the Red Bull car is not twice as good as the others, what do you expect the other cars to be setting lap times double the amount of Red Bull's? The car doesn't need to be double as good as others, it doesn't really matter whether it's 10,5 or even 1 second a lap faster any decent driver would be able to win in that car. So for you to say halving Vettel's achievements is a more than fair way to compare him to Alonso and Hamilton is stupid, it really is. There is no exact percentage you can take off Vettel's stats to make a fair comparison, it just doesn't work. Also it's quite clear that Alonso hasn't had the 2nd best car over the last 5 years. Overall in a whole season he has only had the 3rd best car at best.
Senna R.I.P real shame what happened to him! However you try and use stats to back up you're claim about Vettel being great and then when the stats are not in you're favour with Senna you just magically make them up and assume he would have got them which is nonsense. Senna was a bit of a cheat tbh and not the greatest sportsman of all time. He cheated Prost out of a title and that's the bottom line. I see comparisons between Senna and Schumacher but the only difference is Senna never gets called out for the BS that he done. Also there is no guarantee Senna would have even won another world title and he probably should only have had 2 heading into the 94 season. This ain't disrespectful, it's just the truth.
That's Seb, not the car. I've never seen Webber go so much faster than other drivers in the exact same car, while Vettel can do it. Also, you have to remember that he won a race in a Toro Rosso in extremely difficult conditions, something that people forget very often these days. Seb has the best car, you can safely say that, but it's his talent which makes him do all these seemingly impossible things.
Before you ask: I'm a Ferrari/Alonso fan.
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Every year Vettel's been in formula 1 he seems to be in a league of his own in the last 4-5 races. He seems to step up to the plate and drive better while under pressure, that's how he won the 2010 and 2012 world championships despite trailing the leader for a lot of the season.
LOL all the self professed experts will say he had the car which made these overtakes like taking candy from a baby with handcuffs on!
supercooled A bit like Hamilton now hey.
+supercooled He did.
what a great performance to come from last to third great effort Vettel
He has battled. Most notably in Spain 2011, Monza 2011, through the start of 2012 with a car he wasn't happy with, in Abu Dhabi and Brazil to get to the front from ending up at the back, and all through this year. He's doing some of his best, most aggressive driving this year. People who say he's had it all easy and hasn't to fight are kidding themselves. You don't get into F1 and into a top seat by luck or fortune.
Who watching this during the 2019 season
I think most people understand that overtaking at the back of the pack was like a shark in a minnow tank. The passing gets more difficult the further up the order you get. This is an elementary concept of racing. Thanks for bringing it up for everyone who is under five years old.
Ultimately, you are missing the point. He started from the pit lane, in last place, and finished on the podium. And pitted for a new wing.
At the end of the season, the person with the most points deserves the title.
The fact is he will be one of the best drivers ever in the sport... As much as people will love and hate him, at the end of the day he has been the best for 3 years straight. And yes he has a great car, but he also has a team mate driving the same car who has never finished the driver's championship better than 3rd. People love to bring down the people that rise above so its no surprise there is Vettel hate :P Even though I know Vettel will win this year, Go Kimi!
With respect - how can you possibly say he hasn't done anything special in F1? He's breaking world records here, there and everywhere, he's a qualifying master, he's more consistent than anyone and still improving, and hasn't taken himself out of a race due to a mistake since Turkey 2010 - three years! He may have a good car, but so do people like Grosjean, Webber and Massa. What have they achieved? Please, give Vettel some credit. What he has achieved should not be overlooked.
anyone saying Seb can only drive well when he starts in front has been proven wrong.
Honestly his car looked as a starship among the others so,put apart mere entertainment,I wouldn't be so enthusiastic about this specific performance.I also agree about his weakness under pressure,getting a bit too daring when strictly chased,possibly lacking in a full mastering of his nerves.
At the same time we should admire this guy,still so young,being able to get the leadership in his team since his earliest steps in F1,driving a winning car
with minor mistakes for three seasons to the WCT.
I'm a huge fan of vettel and I've been since his first win .. And I can clearly see ur point, but as I said the future will prove that he's a great driver .. Cheers :)
Even if you dislike Vettel and RBR, you've got to have massive respect for them.
I really like reading haters' comments on vettel's videos, lets get a recap:
Vettel has 3 championships, 30 victories, 53 podiums, 39 poles and 18 fastests laps. all of that in 111 starts. Also win in an inferior car in 2008 and amazing performances in Abu Dhabi and Brazil 2012, with Britain 2010.
Alonso has 2 championships, last won in 2006, 32 victories, 92 podiums, 22 poles and 20 fastest laps. Also plentiful of "Fernando is faster than you" and "we need to hope", bunch of excuses.
Dont get me wrong. Ive always been that alonso, massa, and hamilton guy, but you cant deny talent.
A lot of people keep saying the car this year "doesn't suit Vettle's style". That is a understandable argument, but part of F1 is adapting to what ever car you are in. If Riccardo can adapt better to different cars than he deserves three wins and countless number of fantastic drives this season. Year by year cars change and In my opinion adapting to the car is just as important as just being fast in the right conditions(Reb Bull 2010-2013). Vettle is a great driver in my opinion, but I do believe he is over rated and Hamilton and Alonso show the most talent and consistency in ANY car year after year. I know I just started a shit storm with Vettle fans or Lewis haters :/
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FORZA SEB E KIMI
He's actually a good underdog performer. 2010 abu dhabi, 2012 abu dhabi, 2012 brazil. When he has a handful of points to spare though, he's more defensive and uncomfortable, leading to mistakes.
Definitely one of the top drives from Vettel. Then he topped it later in Brazil shortly after.
Yas Marina is one hell of a track! Straights to extremely hard braking. Hairpins to top it off. Trying to go this November if not this year, next year it will be.
Easily this is Vettel's top 3 drive of his career. Really a drive that more or less solidified his 3rd championship win that year...
only one question to all vettel haters : why you hate him... he never said bad things about someone, he never did something like alonso in his hungarypitstop(in q3)2007, his team radios after a race are sometimes funny (like yabadabahdu ringdingedingdingding in barcelona 2011). the only reason i think why you hate him, is because he is successfull. so in 2009 no one really hated him (maybe a few) in monza 2008 all celebrated him but now everyone forget that
This is much more a display of how good a team RBR is than of an individual performance. For that you really do have to look at, for example, how moving up such a great number of places was executed rather than staring blindly at the results.
Woow he overtakes in straight line, awesome. the drs killing the skill
Apparently, Schumacher's Benetton had a "razor thin" sweet spot which made it extremely difficult to drive. Well 9 wins and the total decimation of Hill in a Newey designed car speaks volume for the sheer brilliance of Michael Schumacher. The best was yet to come. Senna once spoke of going to Ferrari when his best days were over. Schumacher went to Ferrari and rewrote history!
you all can say whatever you want
Button is a champion and he said it, That move was outstanding
Thanks for the upload it still even looks good jaja
Overtook HRT's, Marussia's, Caterhams, both Williams, Di Resta Grosjean and Ricciardo.
Verne and Schumacher let him pass and Rosberg, Hamilton, Grosjean, Perez, Webber and Massa crashed(wich mostly drive in top 10 during a GP).
Then made a awesome overtake on Button.
But the RedBull team helping him by changing Webber's strategy and bringing him in way earlier, and the 2nd SC is what brought him on the podium, normally a race driver dont gets this amount of luck in 1 single GP.. but fun to watch
Say what you like, but that man knows how to drive and that team knows how to make a car! That last overtake on Button was fucking incredible. 0.o
omg I still cant believe vettel overtook jenson button... man I mean 4th place is good enough... I mean if he would of crashed button, he would of lost all those points and all the hardwork he did to overtake... and also possibly a grid penalty for the next race... damn vettel is ballsy... he even sprayed the fruit cider on coulthard and cussed on the podium celebration...
Man wat about the crazy overtakes in brazil... vettel may have ag ood card but hes ag ood driver
just like the last race (spain/2014). he got 4th place and started from 15... in the race he even was at 21 cause of the 3-stop-strategy. just an awesome driver. i love him :D hope he is back in shape now and gets comfortable with the new car. but if vettel doesnt win this year, i hope nico will do it. :D germany for the win. liebe grüße aus deutschland :)
this is how driver wins a championships... best f1 driver rn
Vettel went from 24th to 2nd to last again and then back to 3rd. Kimi went from 17th to 1st. I don't know about you, but that is quite a difference.
The only overtakes he had to fight for were against Grosjean and Button, because they were the only ones who had cars (McLaren & Lotus) able to complete with Red Bull.
It has been very sad for me to see Vettel throw away 2018 championship
Can't believe Vettel is reiting in 2022!!!
This is what a championship winning drive looks like (hopefully we'll say the same of canada this year) NB was rooting for alonso that year
i think alonso overall derserved the title but the move in 3:43 is one of the best moves ive ever seen
I'm not a Vettel fan, but damn, this was some skillful driving.
Simply the best
I actually love how suborn you are! The reason he doesn't start from the back every race is because there isn't a guarantee of having multiple safety cars to help also it is much harder to drive usually because most teams tend to pit once less in that situation which forces a driver to focus and preserve on his tyres . And I see you commented on the video of the SSC Ultimate Aero. The Body of that car is fiberglass. The ssc ultimate Aero TT is the one with carbon and titanium.
This is from ''Formula One FIA Official 2012 Review Blu-Ray''
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Clearly the car was so much faster enabling him to overtake so easily. Anybody could have.
Not taking anything away from Vettel. He is a great driver, no doubt, but some other drivers are greater like Hamilton or Alonso.
The face of Alonso was poem, it was like “How the fuck did he do it?” But it’s Vettel. The German lived to beat the Spaniard ass.
Well the SC's weren't because of Ecclestone and Whiting as he suggests but they were incredibly luckily timed for Vettel.
Fannnboyyy :DD I don't mind Vettel and I know he's a great driver but I'm gonna be honest, when his gearbox broke in Silverstone I was kinda happy to see another driver win. Webber drove an amazing race too. P.S. Kimi's the best :DD
Was good fun to see too.
Vettel did a great job overtaking Caterham,HRT and Marrussia...
gr8 stuff didnt know untill the end that you where filming your tv :D
I never knew that Berger said that. If you read articles and look at the stats, they say otherwise
He achieved it the same way most great drivers do: he was a test driver for BMW Sauber, then he joined a lesser team called Toro Rosso, scored them their first ever points, beat his team mate in the process, won them their first pole and converted it into a win, then moved up to a Red Bull that was NOT considered a great team, and scored them their first pole and win, championship etc..he deserves all he's done. What about Hamilton, who was with McLaren from beginning and always had a good car?
What I remember is that it took him about 3 laps to damage his front wing wich he could replace after a incident with toro rosso during the safetycar, wich killed his tire strategy, so was forced to a 1 stop, and after everyone did their 2nd stop wich gave Vettel 2nd place, a magical 2nd safetycar came and give him a free pitstop and could close up behind Button with new tires who was 20 seconds infront of him before SC..
But those moves on Marussia and HRT and Grosjean were incredible
vettel u rock man i knw tht u will win the championship
Best car, best driver, 4time world champions. So simple
Vettel must've been doing superbly in that 2012 season despite that front wing damage and putting all four of those beautiful wheels over that white line.
My judgment is based on what he shown so far compared to the others drivers. I am more than willing to see what more he can do. If you are right it would be great for F1 and for you too as you seem a fan
I want to see modern racers driver Senna's 1988 MP4 in Monaco and see what kind of times they get.
Alonso has signed a clause in his contract that allows him to veto Vettel as a team mate. Ferrari said so themselves.
i have a strange feeling that mercedes are going to make a break for the title. it's a long shot but hamilton is the man to do it
So did Alonso. He won in a better car. The renault was the best car so far these 2 years. Yet Vettel joined the Formula 1 in a BMW in the USA GP. Finished in Points as a 17 years old. Won 2008 in Monza in a Toro Rosso. He's a 3 times WC. And if it goes on like that, he is going to be a 4 times WC. And he is still leading the WC 2013. In the 3rd best car so far...
Yeah ( and as Bono once said) what a show.....
thank you. finally someone understands it
i dont understand how he can pass so many people on the straights, im new to F1 but it seems the car is simply alot faster. I know vettel's a great driver, but it seems his car is just unbeatable
Dan Brewer The irony is the red bull cars are one of the slowest in the straights. The reason he is overtaking the, is his car has far more downforce so he can get far better exits and corner exit speed is 10-15mph higher then most of the backmarkers he overtook and on fresh tires at the end. Only this year in 2014 they have managed to close gap abit in top speed to smaller teams by running skinny wings but obviously the mercedes destroy the red bull in acceleration to top speed.
Looks so easy, almost like he has the best car on the grid
Mmmh that's also why pretty noone else has done this even in the best car (like f.e. a Mercedes in the last 4 years)
One of best car ever made
"Vergne did the honourable thing and moved aside." There was no honour at all in moving aside for Vettel.
by the way of all the overtakes in this video there is only one that you can consider "not that easy", the rest are all linear or due to accidents ahead of him
Well put,he has never had a true competitor inside his team nor has he ever challenged tough opponents on equally performing cars.
I put him in the pack of todays' true topdrivers though,alongside with Hamilton and Alonso:with different rules and the 3000cc.cars cars these guys would give us a great show imho.
i would agree. at the minute having the best car for the last few years he hasn't had the chance to prove his worth by winning in a slower car. i think he has the potential to do it but like you said will come in a few seasons
I still believe give him mercedes car he will be unbeatable
his car is a winning machine
I personally think Jenson Button's show at Canada was miles ahead... Vettel is not an overtaker, hes fast, but hes prone to errors when overtaking
Wanted to say something about that in the comment but had to less letters..
but for me theres a big diffrence between those races, I think Button did make more overtakes, the weather, was fallen to the back of the field 1 or 2 more times then Vettel did, and in 21th place with 30 laps to go he ended up winning the race
But you're right, its the same amount of luck what made that drive possible in terms of safety cars
Wish Ferrari would allow him to go all out
At the first safety car he was so lucky Ricciardo broke in front of him and just when he was avoiding there was a sign and he broke his front wing, what a luck he had in the qualification also! OMG, must have been the luckiest driver in the weekend.
in 20 years people will watch this video and whine about how awesome F1 was today and how the drivers were "real legends" and how they needed "real skill".
let's see how well he does this season...........
I don't know man, Kimi is looking seriously fast and if Ferrari come back strong after the summer break it will be close. I have a feeling we are going to have an exciting 2nd half this year.
How was Vettel able to be so much faster than the other drivers?
Was it his car, or something to do with the tires/strategy?
(I'm a noob, dont know much about F1, thats why I'm asking)
Definetly the 2 safety cars of the race were ''enable'/called in the right time after vettel's pit stop. So he didn't lose time at all because of the safety car. In addition, he was stopping before all of hte cars on track, so when the safety car came in, all those cars, except Vettel, were still needing to pit stop for tyre change. It was more luck and strategy than hability or the car in this race.
A lot of luck combined with skill. His car aerodynamics were the best of any car and i guess he had better grip from fresher tyres
Good pit calls, luck with the safety cars, right set up, and Vettel's skill were the factors.
Well, Vettel does have the best car, but who's to say that Alonso or Hamilton can do better given the same car? Vettel already has a huge advantage over the Ferraris and Mercedes', would you say he was a better driver if he won by even bigger gaps? I'd say that would be even more fucking boring to watch. Whatever Vettel seems to do is directly attributed to the car and the brain of Adrian Newey, but Vettel is just making use of his better equipment
Regardless of Vettel's car he tends to get really great starts during the actual races. If he is not starting P1 in virtually every race we can deduce that either the car is not as fast or the driver is less superior on that track compared to another driver or there was some type of issue. The fact that Vettel does not get P1 for every race shows that other cars were faster around the track than his car. My point to this being that if his car was in fact MUCH FASTER than it would be down to mechanical issues or driver errors for him to not attain P1 in each race. People saying Vettel has a faster car is fine but there is a limited amount of logic behind a statement like that. He does have plenty of issues from time to time with the car and his car cannot legally be much faster than the other cars. His potential advantage over the other drivers is extremely small given that F1 has turned into an engineering battle. With that said the "best car" should only be winning a race within a few seconds (under 5) because the advantage is not insurmountable. Winning a race by 30+ seconds is a clear indication that the driver and not the car destroyed the opposition.
Alonso has issues with qualification runs which results in his grid starts. That forces him to try and make up for lost positioning. Alonso is a really great driver but he (like everyone) has his issues. Alonso also tends to have some issues on starts as well and in most races we find Alonso attempting to make up positions throughout the race. In contrast there are races where Alonso drives brilliantly and dominates everyone else. Hamilton makes more mistakes than Alonso and this season has shown that Hamilton might be losing mental confidence in his abilities OR his car is just garbage.. one or the other during each race. In my opinion Raikkonen is a superior driver to Hamilton and I am very excited to see what he can do back in a Ferrari.
Saying something like "Vettel already has a huge advantage over Ferrari and Mercedes" is a very powerful and empty statement. This is only possible if Ferrari and Mercedes have been plagued by problems throughout virtually every race for the past 4 years consecutively. Red Bull has a slight advantage over Ferrari and Mercedes and this can be proven with facts time and again. All teams have had various problems with the cars but few people are bothering to bring the drivers into question. Button for example has slumped heavily over the past 3 years and this might be due to confidence instead of saying his car is simply inferior for every race over the past 3 years. The drivers desire to win and their confidence are paramount in all sports. Take Alonso this year; he starts Bahrain in P3 and finishes 8th. In the very next race he is obviously motivated being in Spain and badly wants to win. He starts P5 and wins the race but then the very next race in Monaco he starts P6 and ends 7th. These three races can illustrate that the driver of the car is playing a massive factor behind their own abilities. Vettel's "huge advantage" is his own confidence and nothing more. There is probably not much difference between his driving ability and that of his competitors. His car holds a small advantage IF applied absolutely correctly during the entire race weekend.
Logic alone explains that if he wins by even larger gaps then he is a superior driver within that race unless you fool-heartedly believe Red Bull is cheating and their car is holding a "huge advantage" over the field. Many people turned away from F1 while Schumacher was dominating F1 each season. The same happened while Jordan dominated the NBA and Roger Federer dominated pro tennis. I have met many people who turned their back to their sports during those periods and I have questioned why they would do such a thing and they simply say "the sport is boring when someone is dominating it". People obviously thrive to see a competitive sport and are usually too pre-occupied to notice they are witnessing world history in the making. Rather than embracing world records being broken at every turn by this young professional many people lash out and complain that the races are boring since the same person continues to excel. This type of thinking is absurd and has no place in professional sport. If the sport is lacking competition then it is the fault of the competitors to better themselves and pose a formidable challenge in order to create competition. The truth about F1 is that Vettel has a pure desire to win and be the best and he is willing to go out there during each race and give it 100%. Webber is 37, Alonso is 32 and Button is 33 - as racers we have seen all of them dip over the past few years. There comes a point where you have been racing for so long and things are simply not going your way. How much are they going to fight for their lives out there to try and string together GP titles? Schumacher's come back illustrates that even with a superior driver in a decent car, age and desire make the most difference. Schumacher had nothing to prove out there to win. I am sure he would have liked to have won some GP titles just to make himself feel accomplished about his return but being older and having all of the success behind you really takes away from the ability to dig deep and push. Hamilton is only 28 and should be posting much better results. My opinion is that when his confidence and desire to win is at its highest he posts his best results (obvious in psychology). This does not appear to be a consistent trend with him and he seems to let the problems of the team and the car weigh too much on himself. His results this year have been terrible. Five poles, 4 P2 starts and 1 GP win. The great poles should be an indication that his car is not the biggest issue for Mercedes.
F1 has become a battle of the garages. The cars are all extremely similar now and this will continue and tighter. If this is boring for you the best suggestion is to stop watching the sport. I am enjoying watching world history unfold before my eyes. I do not enjoy that the races are so technical and I rather enjoy the racing of the 90's to this by a far margin but we cannot change what has happened in F1.
"Whatever Vettel seems to do is directly attributed to the car and the brain of Adrian Newey," - Adrian is the team manager and Vettel is his subordinate. The employee listens to the boss.. business tends to work best that way. F1 is no longer being dominated by the drivers pure abilities where they are put onto a track and can do whatever they like. The sport is fully controlled by the team and Vettel is a key component of that team. This is why you hear Vettel over team radio after a win saying "I love you guys, I believe in you, you are the best". He is not saying "I am the best, I am number one and I did this alone". Vettel is very humble and quite aware that the only reason he even has a chance to win ANY GP event is due to the superior efforts of his team as a whole.
Thanks for reading :)
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Wodz30 Great Job!!! Welcome to Formula one Commentary Team....
Seriously mate..You must consider of writing a Formula one Blog or join the commentary team..You've got great insights....You could a pull chunk of money following what you really know....
Athul kumar thanks for reading the long posts :) My F1 history is very small compared to lifetime fans and my racing knowledge is intermediate at best. I have seen a few people posting on youtube who probably know considerably more than I do but perhaps they do not take the time to articulate their comments :) Cheers
Wodz30 "Vettel's "huge advantage" is his own confidence and nothing more".
Alonso is considered the best driver in F1. So is not about the confidence.
This race, Abu Dhabi, came after winning 4 consecutive races. Vettel had the best car in the track, and you can see it:
He can brake 10 meters later, he can push the throttle before, he has more grip in high speed corners...
Dude, are you trying to say that if you are old you have no motivation to win? You don't have more than 30 years, right?
All i want is a good teammate to Vettel. Ricciardo is not a bad driver, but i want Hamilton or Hulkenberg. Next season we are gonna see if Alonso the best driver or not. Teams like Raikonen-Alonso is what F1 needs.
I am not a hater and I am not bitching at all. Sounds more like you. My point was and still is simply the fact that I believe there are at least 3 better drivers than Vettel who proved to win/podium with a car that on a rank is 6 or 7th etc. The overtakes in the video are pretty much regular, a part from 1.
Your question: it's more complicated than that; they share GENERAL info, but not always (eg Prost/Senna); cars are personalized and don't forget they are still competing against each other
This race showed very much about Vettel as a race driver. Damn fast, brave and a real fighter. But also that he feels very uncomfortable when racing for the world championship.
Relax, why all the hate against vettel. according to your own theory, look at the clown in 1:11 and look at him again this year. All of them make mistakes and remarkable races don't they?
What about that? HRT lost its power (lol) and was slowing down alot wich catched rosberg out..
+EhjFa550 Uh, Toro Roso 2008? I can't remember hamilton or rosberg winning a race in superior Williams or a non-competitive McLaren, com-on wtf you're just another one of those guys
EhjFa550 lol lmao dude haha wtf kudos to all your whiny reasons, I think you should tell me all your reasons why or if you think other drivers are better. I'm just stating why I think each guy has got their own brilliant races. Dafuq stop wasting my time
tito yolo We seen Hamilton win in 2009 and 2013 in Hungary in that dog McLaren and Merc, seen rosberg win in China 2012, in a non racewinning Mercedes
+SmokerFace12 yea yea yea and we see vettel winning in malaysia, singapore in fucked up ferrari blablah... Biased shit like you as always there will be. What's wrong with "they're all good in different ways"
no advantage? he was an entire lap behind the lead car about 2 minutes behind to be more precise, both safety cars allowed him to gain about a minute and a half in time which in F1 is colossal!