the hydro has always cracked me up on that ship with how big and clumsy you are in it, the hydro really only serves to show you that you're going to die here soon lol
the worst is when you ALMOST dodge all the torps and one always seems to hit the bow or stern. its definitely hard to dodge torps in the GK. and now subs make it a nightmare.
There's a 1 point skill that reduces -10% the TRB cooldown (next to liquidator). It's really useful for only one point + flag you get around 30s reduce in CD of the consumable. For me a must have
Its basically 2 Shimas attached together and has invisible torps, I'm sure BB players are gonna enjoy this. (I'm a DD main and even I think this is disgusting, then again I think most super-ships are disgusting)
Nope its shit. It has 6.3 concelment and not much better dpm than YY. Also big and clumsy. YY is way more balanced and usefull ship. 4 turrets (2 front, 2 back) and its worse than 3 as YY, cos forward you have just half of your dpm. You can also have legendary module for YY than you will have concelment 6.5 but around 220k dpm on much smaller ship than Kunming. Lot of cruisers and some BBS have hydro so you will not land as many torps as you think. But yeah if enemy dds are potatoes and die soon than maybe you can be more usefull in torping...
@vitezslavlorenc3479m an ignored the invisible torps and he fact that probably by the time the bb or hydro/radar cruiser sees those torps they would probably be very hard to dodge
@@Sande1976 Well, of course, every hydro cruiser has that hydro just for decoration and he certainly won't turn it on when he knows that this boat is there. Which he knows, because with the 6.3 concealment and how clunky the ship is, a lot of dd will over spot you and kill you. It has DPM on guns like Velos which is a tier 9 DD. And even against that you will suffer, because he can over spot you, he can use torpedoes and you can't, and besides, he is much smaller and more agile.
if wargamming put opt out buttons in settings to stay out of games with CV, subs, and super ships i bet 90% would click out of CVs and subs, and 70% would click out of tier 11s too. the jump in power from tier 8 to 10 was bad, but the jump from tier 9s to tier 11s is just insane. i would rate most of the new SSs as a tier 12 and at tier 11, i would put a lot of the resource ships that are so devistating to play against as a tier 8 or 9.
Not seeing the Kunning in shop or in regular japanese fleet listing. Was it limited time? Also, im on ps4, not a pc, so i realize it might be a pc only ship or something. Just curious
Liquidator and Demolition spec seems better than main battery to me as you'll get so much more changes to do DOT damage. Esp as liquidator will get people to burn DC as soon at they get hit with torps.
Good DD advice on staying alive instead of standing ground. Something I need to put into practice. That and not hanging out in smoke too long and eating torps 😂
I love the pan Asian DDs. Consider the following with the unique commander: 15 torps Reload booster - 15 more (If 6 hits and commander skill triggers) Reload booster again 15 more Then about 2 minutes for another normal 15 salvo. Within 5 minutes you can spit out 60 torps. I’ve done it with Chung Mu, but it’s only 40 total torps.
Also if you get combat scout to trigger, which is not difficult if you are playing as a torp boat, the gun reload becomes decent enough to take on other DDs
I love playing DDs and especially torpedo DDs but this state of Cunming is really not good for the game. It has same amount of torps as Shima by default, but they are only 800 meters detection instead of 2.0 km (seen from the moon) and with the torpedo consumable you can launch 30 of them, that's way too much. I already thought that YY and Jinan had many since they added torp reload consumable.
For whatever reason... WG decided a while back while gun focused power creep was bad, torpedo power creep is just fine... and then we got 90 knot torp missiles, and then two lines of cruisers that could put 40 in the water or hit across half the map, and now a Shima analong with TRB and low reaction time. While the torpedo creep may have been more subtle compared to the playerbase's visceral response to Smolensk, the effect on the game has been much more pronounced than any fire spammer. Also, WG's pivot towards the Asia server with Pan Asia bias (that's a new one) certainly feels real since the asia server seems more ready to consume this new direction that NA and EU don't seem to like...
Hi, nice video as always! Would anyone here know if the Sa Zhenbing containers will be purchasable for coal anytime soon? I wasn't playing the game during the event and missed it, even though I play pan-asian ships very often :'(
Your videos always stood out (apart from gameplay quality) with picture quality. I'm really curious what machine are you using. I bought a really nice monitor recently and it helped me realise machine is lacking. So I was curious what would be the minimum to get such nice picture out of the game.
In the Meta, lots of the cruisers and BBS have hydro, so that negates the advantage of deep water. Also most tier X and super dds will outgun you, so it’s not as broken as you think.
these super ships can be a lot of fun, but unless you have a big game and use credit boosters you lose credits so often. WG really needs to adjust the service cost.
A shima with rlb is a good way to describe the ship, but this is where the ship confuses me. As a torp boat, shouldn't it be stealthy? A shima is 5.6km (?), I think. This ship is 6.3km, which is pretty poor for dd's at T10 that aren't pure gunboats. Also, why does it get 8 guns? Its lack of concealment and 8 guns look like a gunboat; however, it has horrible reload. Plus, it has the aforementioned very un-gun boat like torps. It is a super confused ship.
Hmm so much efforts they took by filling their game with insane number of torpedoes, Pan-Asia destroyers and light cruisers torpedo reload booster, the new IJN light cruiser line, oh and submarine... All these for the resurrection of Kitakami... We all know your methods WG.
So let me get this right... ships that force passive play are BAD, should be removed, until it is a class that you enjoy playing? This ship is blatantly overpowered, why no pitchforks?
I fail to see how this ship adds anything to the long term health of the game. Regular players are increasingly becoming little more than XP pinatas for the gimmick ships du jour.
For me this is a bad addition. People already dont want to push into any supership, much less a ship that can throw out 30 deep water torps. Heck, people dont push into a shima, and it gets 15 torps with relatively high detect. This will just promote stale gameplay
WGs plan is to make these ships (tier 11) the only ones that people want to play because they eat every other ship alive. if everyone is playing the SS that lose credits most games, then they will be able to con some players into paying cash for credits so they can afford to keep playing them.
This ship is just begging for a more passive meta, not even hydro/radar cruisers are gonna push into because OMG 5-6km hydro is sometime not even enough to dodge a wall of torp like this
Looks like a ship the enemy won't see Kunming.
I'll see myself out.
I’m pretty sure that GK saw those torps and was like “welp this is my life now” and just embraced his end. 😂
took it like a chad
the hydro has always cracked me up on that ship
with how big and clumsy you are in it, the hydro really only serves to show you that you're going to die here soon lol
the worst is when you ALMOST dodge all the torps and one always seems to hit the bow or stern. its definitely hard to dodge torps in the GK. and now subs make it a nightmare.
GK: "Yep, that's me. You're probably wondering how I ended up in this situation"
GK: *Sigh* "Well fuck..."
There's a 1 point skill that reduces -10% the TRB cooldown (next to liquidator). It's really useful for only one point + flag you get around 30s reduce in CD of the consumable. For me a must have
A division of Kunmings reminds me of back in the day when there was only USN vs IJN, 4 Shimas on each side, Ocean map. Red triangles everywhere.
Its basically 2 Shimas attached together and has invisible torps, I'm sure BB players are gonna enjoy this.
(I'm a DD main and even I think this is disgusting, then again I think most super-ships are disgusting)
Nope its shit. It has 6.3 concelment and not much better dpm than YY. Also big and clumsy. YY is way more balanced and usefull ship. 4 turrets (2 front, 2 back) and its worse than 3 as YY, cos forward you have just half of your dpm. You can also have legendary module for YY than you will have concelment 6.5 but around 220k dpm on much smaller ship than Kunming. Lot of cruisers and some BBS have hydro so you will not land as many torps as you think. But yeah if enemy dds are potatoes and die soon than maybe you can be more usefull in torping...
@vitezslavlorenc3479m an ignored the invisible torps and he fact that probably by the time the bb or hydro/radar cruiser sees those torps they would probably be very hard to dodge
@@Sande1976 Well, of course, every hydro cruiser has that hydro just for decoration and he certainly won't turn it on when he knows that this boat is there. Which he knows, because with the 6.3 concealment and how clunky the ship is, a lot of dd will over spot you and kill you. It has DPM on guns like Velos which is a tier 9 DD. And even against that you will suffer, because he can over spot you, he can use torpedoes and you can't, and besides, he is much smaller and more agile.
@@vitezslavlorenc3479 Well, you are very correct.
shima has been powercrept so badly. It probably needs a torp speed and dmg buff. Maybe torp reload booster as well.
I like the tip where you mention looking at the BB’s rear turret to try and better predict an upcoming turn. That one definitely got me thinking 🤔
That's not a wall of torps at this point that's a fortress of torpedoes
That chat tho 🤣
Hi Potato. Your vocal delivery has been great lately. Really enjoying the vids. Thank you for everything man; you are the WOWS community's glue!
Ships like this will likely keep BBs on the back lines.
I agree! As a DD player it will get harder to get support.
if wargamming put opt out buttons in settings to stay out of games with CV, subs, and super ships i bet 90% would click out of CVs and subs, and 70% would click out of tier 11s too.
the jump in power from tier 8 to 10 was bad, but the jump from tier 9s to tier 11s is just insane. i would rate most of the new SSs as a tier 12 and at tier 11, i would put a lot of the resource ships that are so devistating to play against as a tier 8 or 9.
Not seeing the Kunning in shop or in regular japanese fleet listing. Was it limited time? Also, im on ps4, not a pc, so i realize it might be a pc only ship or something. Just curious
What an interesting and teaching game. Thanks for sharing it with the community. I will defnitely try the radar-trick!
"AHHHHHH IM KOOMING"
Liquidator and Demolition spec seems better than main battery to me as you'll get so much more changes to do DOT damage. Esp as liquidator will get people to burn DC as soon at they get hit with torps.
Reload booster for torpedoes is the most absurd thing in this game
Good DD advice on staying alive instead of standing ground. Something I need to put into practice. That and not hanging out in smoke too long and eating torps 😂
It's Koon-ming if you're wondering, from the little Chinese I still remember, could be wrong haha
I love the pan Asian DDs. Consider the following with the unique commander:
15 torps
Reload booster - 15 more
(If 6 hits and commander skill triggers)
Reload booster again 15 more
Then about 2 minutes for another normal 15 salvo.
Within 5 minutes you can spit out 60 torps.
I’ve done it with Chung Mu, but it’s only 40 total torps.
Also if you get combat scout to trigger, which is not difficult if you are playing as a torp boat, the gun reload becomes decent enough to take on other DDs
Haven't seen this boat in a CV battle yet, that might be some Kunming medicine
We're already on the right side of the map, let's show my sweet little Maya some love.
I love playing DDs and especially torpedo DDs but this state of Cunming is really not good for the game. It has same amount of torps as Shima by default, but they are only 800 meters detection instead of 2.0 km (seen from the moon) and with the torpedo consumable you can launch 30 of them, that's way too much. I already thought that YY and Jinan had many since they added torp reload consumable.
I wanna see this thing in an arms race match. that would be so crazy
For whatever reason... WG decided a while back while gun focused power creep was bad, torpedo power creep is just fine... and then we got 90 knot torp missiles, and then two lines of cruisers that could put 40 in the water or hit across half the map, and now a Shima analong with TRB and low reaction time. While the torpedo creep may have been more subtle compared to the playerbase's visceral response to Smolensk, the effect on the game has been much more pronounced than any fire spammer.
Also, WG's pivot towards the Asia server with Pan Asia bias (that's a new one) certainly feels real since the asia server seems more ready to consume this new direction that NA and EU don't seem to like...
A div of these would be worse than a div of Kitakamis as you can't exactly really see these torps until it's too late, unless you have hydro.
That thing is scary AF to cruisers and BB's. I will make it a priority to kill it whenever I get the chance. 😂
“Live another day” he’ll yeah Saurfang 🎉🎉❤❤
Hi, nice video as always! Would anyone here know if the Sa Zhenbing containers will be purchasable for coal anytime soon? I wasn't playing the game during the event and missed it, even though I play pan-asian ships very often :'(
It will come in about half a year afaik
@@siriusczech Glad to hear it, thank you sir!
This ship is not vanilla at all. It’s got the whole banana split! Good video Potato! o7
Looks legit to me. Being on the receiving end of those torps are RageQuitMode right there
Your videos always stood out (apart from gameplay quality) with picture quality.
I'm really curious what machine are you using. I bought a really nice monitor recently and it helped me realise machine is lacking. So I was curious what would be the minimum to get such nice picture out of the game.
the uploads shifting an hour have ruined me lmao
Thanks for the video!
ceep the BBs at bay from pushing, drive them to the border. hydro ships save us
How do u get that commander?
Kitakami was removed because too many torps but this is fine?
Actually it is more like a Somers with DP guns, enhanced AA, deepwater torps and a rapid reload.
Kunming is Yueyang with extra gun and extra torp
why does your UI and HUD look so different. Also the ribbons. Is that a mod? Which one is it and is it allowed?
where do you find an "E" in kUnming ? It doesn't say "Kenming" clearly 😂
Sweet Jesús those torps....lol
Not going to be fun playing against ships like these. Game keeps going in the wrong direction.
I stopped playing short before the very first submarines entered the game.
Glad to see my decision wasnt bad
Well, that’s nothing new. The trick is to have fun anyway!
In the Meta, lots of the cruisers and BBS have hydro, so that negates the advantage of deep water. Also most tier X and super dds will outgun you, so it’s not as broken as you think.
That's pretty terrifying
I looked for this ship by its name and got zero results? why
The Pan Asian DD guns are a bit lackluster compared to it's American breathren.
First pronunciation was pretty spot on, second one was way out XD
these super ships can be a lot of fun, but unless you have a big game and use credit boosters you lose credits so often. WG really needs to adjust the service cost.
You're right they do need adjusted... to cost 2x more than they currently do.
I dont really agree. I think until they have full T11 games, playing these ships should be a luxury every once in a while.
So, if my math is correct, a Division of these could put 90 deep water torps in the water at a time?
It’s pronounced “Kwoonming” (found it out in google translate, the ship name is coming from a city in China).
A shima with rlb is a good way to describe the ship, but this is where the ship confuses me. As a torp boat, shouldn't it be stealthy? A shima is 5.6km (?), I think. This ship is 6.3km, which is pretty poor for dd's at T10 that aren't pure gunboats. Also, why does it get 8 guns? Its lack of concealment and 8 guns look like a gunboat; however, it has horrible reload. Plus, it has the aforementioned very un-gun boat like torps. It is a super confused ship.
good bye Yamagiri lol
KWEN MING
Oh Lord I'm Kunming lol.
150 torpedoes = wall of skill
Random shoutout: Don't forget to claim your free 'battle pass' rewards, i almost forgot and now i got 22 unopened containers lol.
Just realized I was in this game 🤣
Hmm so much efforts they took by filling their game with insane number of torpedoes, Pan-Asia destroyers and light cruisers torpedo reload booster, the new IJN light cruiser line, oh and submarine... All these for the resurrection of Kitakami... We all know your methods WG.
Don't forget all the BBs that magically have torps now
"quinn ming"
Ken Ming 😂
the game turns into a circus
Why do you always skip credits and xp screen 😭
i have the tier 9 and 10 ... they are insane dds really
ah yes. i was just thinking we dont have enough skill walls in this game.
Its "Koon-Ming".
So let me get this right... ships that force passive play are BAD, should be removed, until it is a class that you enjoy playing? This ship is blatantly overpowered, why no pitchforks?
I fail to see how this ship adds anything to the long term health of the game. Regular players are increasingly becoming little more than XP pinatas for the gimmick ships du jour.
Might as well play a Asashio at that point. Better conciel and economy too
Radar cruisers might be a problem.
Kunming is also a city in China 😂
Ships like this are just going to encourage BB players to camp from spawn
Kun, U is pronounced like the U in Cut, and Ming as in a Ming Vase.
No. As a native Chinese speaker from Taiwan, the “u” is pronounced more like “ue.” So, kunming is more like kwenn-Ming
For me this is a bad addition. People already dont want to push into any supership, much less a ship that can throw out 30 deep water torps. Heck, people dont push into a shima, and it gets 15 torps with relatively high detect. This will just promote stale gameplay
WGs plan is to make these ships (tier 11) the only ones that people want to play because they eat every other ship alive. if everyone is playing the SS that lose credits most games, then they will be able to con some players into paying cash for credits so they can afford to keep playing them.
This ship is just begging for a more passive meta, not even hydro/radar cruisers are gonna push into because OMG 5-6km hydro is sometime not even enough to dodge a wall of torp like this
Yep. You angle yourself agaisnst 15 torps only to have 15 more on your new broadside position. Just too much.
nice one
turning into a farce this game now ..
No way is that the ships name
at this point just add Kitakama
why cant i correctly pronounce the name?
probably this will get nerfed in the future i can see it
people complain about Cv and subs but nothing stalls the game out like these walls of skill theres just no way you can risk pushing with that around.
All of the above should be nerfed, not just torp wall, if that's what your saying.
It pronounces more like "Quin Ming".
this thing is so op and im already soo sick plaaying against them subs are but dd are even more annoying omg
lol u have change from 2019 meta and before/attitude and principles you espoused then vs nowadays . I guess uhae your reasons !!
Its pronounced Kun-Ming
terrible !
First?
Its Pronounced as KoonMing, It Means Korea In Korean
I think it is named after the chinese city of Kunming in Yunnan
Yeah, it’s not korean