This has probably been the hardest thing for me to get past coming out of the evangelical church background. I’m thankful to be in a Lutheran church now and beginning to better understand the scriptures.
I fully believe John Rich here.. For roughly 1800 years, the church never believed in the “pre tribulation “ rapture. Look at all the reformers as well, from Luther, Calvin, Melanchthon, Knox.. etc.. they all believed that the church would be persecuted by Antichrist, and would ultimately be delivered by Christ at his 2nd coming, to meet him in the air, and simultaneously descend to the earth in triumph with Christ’ in his glory.
@@Afc70 I’d like to point out that the church is very imperfect and we have let the doctrines of men make null the word of God for thousands of years … i could go on for an hour about all the cessation doctrine in most of our churches that scripture absolutely do NOT validate whatsoever … let’s stick with scripture .. over men’s imperfect understanding
Correct. One must study God's Word to understand it clearly. Paul's encouragement to Timothy in 2 Timothy 2:15 "Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."
@sreed7637 Sorry, but it does matter! If you say that Jesus is your Savior, that in itself does not get you into heaven. You need to believe in your heart that Jesus died for your salvation. The Rapture doctrine is a lie just as thinking your saved but Jesus isn't in your heart or your action of the way you live.
The best option is to study the Book of Revelation rather than simply reading it. It is an apocalyptic epistle loaded with symbols, making it difficult to interpret. I suggest studying 1 Corinthians 15 for a simpler chronology of the events leading to the return of the Lord Jesus Christ. In 2 Thessalonians 1, the Apostle Paul clearly presents the coming of the Lord Jesus and "our gathering together with Him" as one event. The above-given Scripture passages are suggested to help us understand the Book of Revelation more. God never contradicts Himself. May we also learn to let Scripture speak for itself and form our system of belief (theology and eschatology), not the other way around. Thank you.
*The rapture of the church and the second coming of Christ are two entirely different events. The rapture is when the Lord meets us in the air to take us to Heaven for the 7 year Marriage Supper of the Lamb while concurrently the Anti-Christ takes over the world because the Restrainer (Holy Spirit) has been taken away. The Son of Perdition (satan incarnate) is revealed half way through the Great Tribulation at the 3 1/2 year mark when he causes the Daily Sacrifice to cease and sits in the Temple declaring himself to be God. At that point, the Jews flee into the wilderness to the place that God has prepared for them. The Second Coming is after the 7 years when the Lord comes to establish His 1000 year reign in Jerusalem on the beautiful Flat Earth with us.*
I have never read a Schofield Bible, but I have read the Bible for 87 years. Jesus said If I go away, I will come again and receive you unto myself that where I am you will be also.” He also said “pray always, that you may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.” I am looking for Jesus. He has not appointed us unto wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ.”
1 Thessalonians 4:15 ..... "For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep." Tells everybody right there that Christians will be on Earth when Jesus Returns.
Jesus also so prayed for his disciples and those who would believe on their testimony John 17:9-21. Jesus prayed God wold not take them out of the world but keep them from the evil. God's witnesses are always in the world and some of them go through hard times. The test the devil brings on people is not the wrath of God. In Daniel 11:32-35 the text identifies people who will be here on teaching people during the time of the Antichrist. Revelation 7:9-17 reveals an uncountable number of people who go through the tribulation and wash their robes in the blood of the Lamb during their trials in the tribulation. It is their test of faith. It is not God who tests them. Revelation 3:7-13 is about the Philadelphia church it represents 14>28% of the Revelation churches. It is the only church the Lord tells "because they have kept the word of his patience that he will keep them in the hour of temptation that will come upon the whole world." God kept the Hebrew Children in the land of Goshen during the last several plagues the Egyptians went through and they were safe. Moses guided the Hebrew children across the dead sea then watched as the wrath of God took out pharaoh's all in the sight of the Hebrew children. Noah spent a hundred plus years building the ark but he stayed safe in the world. Lot was removed from his home to an area not so far away but was told to not look back. Matthew 24:29-31 says that Jesus will show his sign of his return after the tribulation of those days and the peoples of the earth will mourn at the sign of his coming. It will only be a surprise that he really is coming but the whole world will know and not be ready. Mean while the Lord will be free to pour his wrath on the wicked and he will restructure the face of the earth. Zechariah 14:16-19 says people will survive the return of the Lord who are not "Christian" at heart. It will not be the end of the earth but Jesus does say it is regenerated in Matthew 19:38. Jesus returns to Jerusalem. He only needs to reach out his hand like he did for Moses and all the peoples of the world who are his will not be harmed. He knows how to take care of his own. Still they will be perilous times and many will die before the Lord returns. Most of them will not be Christians though the devil will kill as many of them as he can. Every war has it's casualties and it's survivors. Jesus says there will be wars and rumors of wars before he returns. We don't need doctrines to make chickens out of us. We need faith to make us steadfast for God. Let's pray about that.
@@pkmr5284 @pkmr5284 NO IT DOES NOT. You are following the doctrine of men...not Scriptural CONTEXT from God. Even several early church fathers taught Pre-trib Rapture. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18 "¹⁵ For this we say unto you by the Word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. ¹⁶For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the DEAD IN CHRIST WILL RISE FIRST: ¹⁷THEN WE which are ALIVE and REMAIN shall be CAUGHT UP TOGETHER WITH THEM in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we EVER be with the Lord. ¹⁸Wherefore comfort one another with these words." God's elect are in Heaven (as the 24 elders) when Jesus opens the first seal. It is my belief that this doctrine of Rapture is only made available to God's elect. Those who cannot grasp the Harpazo/Rapture/catching away doctrine are destined for The Tribulation and thus, IF THEY IN FACT OVERCOME the worship of and the Mark of the Beast, they will become the Tribulation Saint martyrs. It's not too late. Luke 21:36 "³⁶WATCH ye therefore, and PRAY always, THAT YE MAY BE COUNTED WORTHY TO ESCAPE all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." THIS IS NOT THE SECOND COMING. Very few human beings will survive the Tribulation. FURTHER, at the Second Coming, THE ENTIRE WORLD WILL SEE JESUS and his elect (the Raptured) ARRIVE ON HORSEBACK @ Armageddon.
Putting eschatological differences aside..the real question is are you willing to suffer and die for Christ if you had to? Then you'll see where people's heart is at.
As Christians, we die daily. We die to self centeredness, pride, worldliness. We may hold our tongue instead of returning hateful words to someone who has been rude to us. We hold our tongue and do not gossip, We do not choose to return evil for evil .
Amen! That's where the rubber really meets the road! Computer couch critics aren't worth a spit until the test comes knocking on their personal door. Then, and only then, can we know what we're all truly made of...character or cowardice. I'm more than willing to die for Jesus. I cannot wait to get off this prison planet and be in my real Home!
@@hannacastaneda8219 Agreed. In fact our water baptism is exactly that. We are joined to Christ in His death, His burial, His resurrection to new Life in Him. Death to the old life. Life in Him. Was just reflecting on Romans 7:4 earlier this morning. Jesus says we are to "take up our cross daily". If we count ourselves truly dead to sin and alive to God (Roman 6:11) then we are or should see ourselves as ready martyrs for Jesus. Jesus made it plain in Luke that we cannot be His disciple unless we daily take our cross as we follow Jesus. It is living a life of surrender, and daily re affirming it. Blessings in Jesus.
“Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.” (Rev 3:10)
@@tuppatubeNo. Absolutely not. Only those who obeyed will be kept from that mess. Jesus specifically prayed to the Father that His followers not be taken out of the world. God has been calling His people to come out for decades and maybe 1 in 10,000 obeyed. Read Jeremiah 51:1-2. This is for most "Christians". You will have to die in the great tribulation without denying Christ to get your white robe. Revelation 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
@@karl7796 I find that to be in great error. Christ Jesus never spoke one word about the so called rapture only His return. Never a word about coming back 2 times. He did leave us with this. Mat. 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
Remember the " if i were the devil" story by Paul Harvey? Well, if i were the devil i would come up with a plan, lace it with scripture, convince some preacher to preach it and thus convincing millions of people nothing bad will happen. Facing the worst time in human history no preperation is necessary. Its time to build your ark!!
@@janeduquette3088 Amen He is our Ark as Deliverer! Normal isn't returning He is! Get our "house/ark" in order, working out your salvation, never stop praying.
Great thing to use an analogy! If I were the devil I would do something to cause people to depend on their own endurance thereby injecting self-righteousness into the salvation equation hoping to create the eternal victims of MATT 7:21-23. The pretrib rapture is a virtual guarantee.
@@sherryblanton2029It hasn't been changed as much, but they still had their grubby hands in it. Just pray for the Holy Spirit to teach you HIS truth!! !
@sherryblanton2029 the KJV has verses that were changed. ESV was translated from the oldest known ancient Hebrew and Greek scrolls. And they let you know every word/verse that can't be confirmed because all the ancient scrolls were damaged in those places.
Noah was removed before God's wrath. Lot was removed before God’s wrath. We will be persecuted by the wrath of man, but removed before the wrath of God. God said Himself, that we will not suffer His wrath
Noah survived because he followed God's instructions and built the ark and lived through the flood that destroyed the world. Lot was saved by two angels who literally had to drag him out of his house...but he was witness to God's terrible destructive fury after it had happened. His own wife looked back, and become a pillar of salt. They were saved by their faith and favor with God, but they were witness to God's fury. Their testimony brings others to faith. Many who don't believe now, will come to faith when the plague to come only affects non believers. The lambs blood on the door of the Hebrews caused the plagues of Egypt to pass over them. And so too, will the blood of the Lamb of God cause the wrath of the Most High to pass over us during the tribulation. But many will say, the Groom is late...and fall from faith. But the Groom is not late, HE never makes mistakes. We must keep the oil in our lamps lit till the end.
God removed the evil ones,but the earth still stands.the coming of the son of man,will be like the days of Noah,no one was rapture in Noah days,God only remove the evil ones from the face of the earth,and left the righteous
Revelation 3:10, buddy. Read it. The great “snatching away” of Christ’s bride will occur before the tribulation because God will “keep us from the hour of trial that is coming to all who dwell on the earth.”
Most of the time, all we need to do is to read and accept what is clearly written in the Holy Bible! Jesus and His disciples taught the rapture doctrine. There are eight very clear examples of the rapture happening within the Scriptures, which are much older than John Darby.... Tyrel is a false teacher!
@@mimilovesjesus1307 James 1:5, is good news not false accusation I’m sorry if you took it that way. I will provide The verses and where I thought you were asking for help
This is one of those issues that just causes unnecessary division. The end times will play out the way they will and you wont get any bonus points for being the one who was right. Right now we are just supposed to love each other and spread the gospel.
I agree with your statement, but I believe the truth in love is love. It might cause some division, but I have seen the Most High work in people the most in those times and we are to rejoice, because He is working it out!
@@ElsaVandermerwe-it2bbkeep your lamp lit 🔥 The Holy Spirit woke me up a year and a half ago to the truth and I’ve been sounding the alarm ever since! Jesus IS coming for His church SOON!!!✝️🙏👆
I honestly don't know what to believe. I've been raised and taught that the rapture will happen, but this isn't the first time I've seen that the rapture may not be true. Two things about this... I'm almost hoping there isn't a rapture because I want to be around to help my unsaved children through the tribulation. I'd rather go through all the tribulation, but be here on Earth to help my family, than to watch helplessly from Heaven. But either way, one thing I know for certain... We need to be ready! Every second of every day, we need to be ready! We can't slack off. God must come first. He is the Great I Am. The Alpha and Omega.
John 17:15 I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one. 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Jesus says he is the same as he was and will be always. Look at Noah, Lot, the Jews under the reign of Pharoah where they put blood on their doors.
We are promised the resurrection, that is the good news, the blessed hope, but it will happen "on the last day". The Bible teaches that. Your heart is in the right place. We must be prepared to not only help those we love, but to help the Jews during their time of trouble. If we want to be prepared we must be in the Word of God. We must feed ourselves on the Word of God, and abide in Christ. That is how we prepare for the coming trouble and persecution. Jesus calls us to follow Him to the cross. Please read Matthew 24, where Jesus lays it all out. "But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved." Matthew 24:13
I'm looking forward to this:😀 John 14: 1-3 " Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me. In my Father's house are many rooms : if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am." Now that's a blessed hope!
@@BenPat88 You can't be serious! If that is true, then He should still be here. Where is he, Ben? Jesus warned against such a deception in Mt. 24: 4, 5, 23, 24: "...Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many...Then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christ, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect."
@@skywatcher6864 dude you are deceived by what you WANT and have been TAUGHT your whole life, not judging based on what the Bible says! You can’t cherry pick Matthew 24 out of context- Jesus said it would happen IN THAT GENERATION! Don’t believe me, but I hope you will believe the Messiah!
@@BenPat88 Do you really believe that? For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, NO, NOR EVER SHALL BE. (Matthew 24:21) Do you think the temple being destroyed and one million Jews taken as slaves in 70AD can even compare to WW2 when 6 million slaughtered in the holocaust, two atom bombs dropped and more than 20 MILLION killed?. AND THEN verse 22: And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. in 70AD? Don't be ridiculous. The generation Jesus was talking about was the FINAL generation. They asked him what will be the sign of thy coming and the END of the world? Was 70AD the end of the world? When he said THAT GENERATION, (NOT this generation), he was talking about the final generation. As a matter of fact, NONE of those things he spoke about took place before 70AD Kingdom rising against Kingdom, and Nation against nation, etc, the abomination of desolation, the gospel of the kingdom preached in ALL the world (verse 14) All of those things AND MORE happened before 70AD? Give me a break.
@@BenPat88If Jesus came the 2nd time as you said in Matt 24, there where is any historical documents, that people disappeared as stated in Matt24:40 ??? And, who was the Antichrist back then? What was the mark of the beast back then? And how did the evil people control the money, which stopped people from buying and selling back then? There should be some people who wrote a about all these events. Let us know those written events from that generation . Thanks.
@lindawinner498 He will have full reign, but not the ultimate victory. There is a huge difference between the two. Scripture declares there will be a remnant of believers (Jews & Gentiles) that will come thought the G.T.
In the rapture Christians will meet the Lord in the air. Christ will keep his church from the hour.... In the second coming, Christians will return with the Lord to the earth to reign for 1000 years. Those of you who want to be around during the tribulation period, I hope the Lord grants your wish. Good luck with that!
Amen....I myself is aligned with his words.....I can't wait to sit with the most Just God and Judge he will have the last word on all his will be done....I'm excited the evil doers will have their day......not everyone knows him they merely know the name God.....the sheep know the Shepherds voice....prayers to all
IN THE AIR MEANS IN THE SPIRIT. THE FLESH IS NOT ABLE TO ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD, JESUS. THE FLESH IS NOTHING BUT A FILTHY RAG. FIRST COMING JESUS CAME AS THE MESSIAH, THE SECOND COMING HE LIVES IN US AS GOD WITH US. WHEN OUR END OF THE AGE, OUR AGE, HE WILL RAISE US AND TAKE US HOME ALIVE IN OUR SLEEP, IN THE SPIRIT, AIR.
@@DianaBASSETT-zh3vc Jesus wasn't a filthy rag....and he will not be taking his children as they sleep only the dead are asleep....when it comes as Spirit he will take his children's Spirit rather walking, driving, asleep, working, swimming, running or whatever that child is doing when he comes. Prayers
We are spared from the wrath of God, which is His judgment on all unbelievers when He Returns, not the Tribulation! The Tribulation and the wrath of God are 2 separate events. No one is saying that the Rapture isn't Biblical, a pre-trib Rapture isn't, that's the point. The Rapture verses are always connected to the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, not beforehand! 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 [15]For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. [16]For the LORD HIMSELF WILL DESCEND FROM HEAVEN with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the DEAD IN CHRIST WILL RISE first. [17]Then WE who are ALIVE and REMAIN will be CAUGHT UP(RAPTURED) together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. 1 Corinthians 15:50-53 [50]Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. [51]Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, [52]in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMPET; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. [53]For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality. Revelation 11:15-18 confirms when the last trumpet sounds. This last - seventh - trumpet announces the coming of Christ, the establishment of God's Kingdom, the judgment upon the nations, and the rewarding of the saints. They occur simultaneously! The last trumpet sounds when Christ returns, not 3½ years before! When does the Rapture occur??? When Jesus ACTUALLY RETURNS, AT THE LAST TRUMPET! Follow the Text!! Matthew 24:29-31 [29]“Immediately AFTER the TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS “ ‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’ [30]“Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. [31]And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and THEY WILL GATHER UP(Raptured/Caught Up) HIS ELECT FROM THE FOUR WINDS, from one end of the heavens to the other.
@BrunoMCDowell: I am in complete agreement with your shortened version of the Second Coming. But the last two lines should never have been written. It showed a snarky unkindness that is contrary to your Christian love for others.
If someone ever says God don’t talk to you or give you something that wrong . God talks to me all the time . twice this happened in my lifetime. My daughter was in a very bad car wreck. I asked what can I do in Jesus name out of my mouth I spoke Crystal arise in Jesus name, my dog was found dead on my kitchen floor. His tongue was hanging out of his mouth. He was lifeless. I said Cody come back to me. In Jesus name he started gurgling and breathing. That is the God I serve. I serve no other the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. .
I have been studying the bible for over 40 years, and for many years I couldn't make up my mind about the pre-trib rapture one way or another, but what finally convinced me, that few people EVER even mention, is that the apostle John experienced the PRE-TRIBULATION rapture himself in chapter four of the book of Revelation! In the first three chapters of the book of Revelation, both the church and churches are mentioned twenty times. But then In chapter four John tells us that a door is opened in heaven, he hears the sound of a trumpet, and a voice "COME UP HITHER', then, John says IMMEDIATELY (In a moment in the twinkling of an eye), I was in the spirit (Rev 4:2) The apostle John was brought up into our present time and experienced the future PRE-TRIB rapture himself! From that point on, from chapter 4 through 19, it describes the Great Tribulation and the words church, churches or Christians are NEVER mentioned again. Where are they? Where did they all go? In the first three chapters the churches are mentioned over and over again. But in the next 15 chapters you can't find the words church, churches or Christians mentioned ONCE! Then, In the last three chapters, 20 - 22 it describes the millennium, the new heaven, the new earth and eternity. In Revelation 4:1 & 2, you have ALL of the elements of the rapture that is described in 1 Corinthians 15:49-52 & 1 Thess 4:15,16. - You have a voice. You have a trumpet. You have a calling up, and you have a change into a spiritual condition that occurs immediately, or in a moment in the twinkling of an eye. Not only that, 1 Thess. 4:18 reads: For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. wherefore COMFORT ONE ANOTHER WITH THESE WORDS. However, if there is no pre-trib rapture, Christians may possibly experience two world wars, the battle of Armageddon, a chance that we may take the mark of the beast & dozens of other horrors - Therefore, comfort one another with THESE words? Moreover, In Revelation 6:15,16 it reads: that EVERY bondman & EVERY freeman (which would include everyone on earth), hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains and said to the mountains and rocks “”FALL ON US AND HIDE US FROM THE FACE OF HIM THAT SITTETH ON THE THRONE, AND FROM THE WRATH OF THE LAMB”” Aren’t we Christians supposed to look for the coming of our Lord Jesus with hope? “”Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ.”” (Titus 2:13). But then, when we see his glorious appearance, we’re going to hide from him and HOPE that the mountains and rocks fall on us? What kind of a hope is that? At the rapture Jesus arrives in the air (i Thess 4:16,17). At the end of the tribulation our LORD lands on the ground. (Joel 2; Isa, 2; Rev 5:10, 14, 19). The bible also says: He commeth WITH the ten thousands of His saints. (Jude 1:14). The raptured saints will return with the LORD on white horses. Now I believe that there will be Tribulation saints; however, they will be Jews and gentiles whose salvation will be based on faith PLUS works, and how those gentiles treat God's people - the Jews. During the tribulation period, salvation will no longer be based on grace alone. (See Rev 12:17 & 14:12) For those that argue against the pre-trib rapture quoting Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21, who was Jesus speaking to? First of all he was talking to the Jews! There was not one born-again bible believing Christian in the bunch, NOT ONE! Moreover, in Matthew 24, which they so often quote to disprove the pre-rib rapture, what does it say in verse 31? It says that he will send his angels and gather his elect from one end of HEAVEN to the other, not off the earth. His elect are already IN heaven, and those saints are returning WITH Him. Finally, It is not true that the Rapture was first taught by Darby, which many post-trib, post-millennium & A-millennium people claim. For in addition to both John and Paul writing about it in the bible, it was taught by many of the early church fathers including Iraneus in 170 A.D. It was also taught by Ephraem the Syrian more than 1,500 years ago! He wrote: ‘For all the saints and the elect of God are gathered PRIOR to the tribulation that is to come and are taken to the LORD lest they see the confusion that is to overcome the world because of our sins.” That is a fourth century A.D. letter ascribed to Ephraem Syrus (A.D. 306 to 373) from a sermon on “The Last Times, the Antichrist, and the End of the world.” Recently, scholars have been discovering more and more of these ancient Greek texts by the early church fathers proclaiming the pre-trib rapture. Many of these texts had never been translated into English before now.
@@kjvnews8326 sorry but that's not proper interpretation, you're adding to the word and we all know what the book of revelation says about adding or taking away from this book.
Plus John came back to Earth after being taken. He was walking around but not raptured. Raptured according to dispensationalists means the pre tribulation. Well John seems to write about the things to come but not an actual rapture.
Thank you. You're absolutely right! It's very frustrating when people 'blame' Darby for the Pre trib Rapture without bothering to go back further. It was taught by the early church fathers & many others before being 'buried' in the dark ages (unsurprisingly). I have no idea why people love to quarrel about it when it obviously doesn't determine salvation. I refuse to engage in any debate with these Christians because that's what they want - it's all they want, sadly. Maranatha!
I have a Holy Bible at home. It was printed in 1854. It contains the scriptures for the ‘Catching Away’, renamed ‘The Rapture’. I believe in the catching away of the saints of GOD, because our Heavenly Father is Merciful, loving and caring unto His own children and JESUS is Merciful and Faithful and Loving to His Bride (The church). Amen
Jesus is not a religion, but The Way, The Truth and The Life, PERIOD! It is what Lord Jesus did for us and not about our works, but Lord Jesus works that is going to save us!
The word rapture is not in the Bible, the kingdom of God does not come in observation ,the kingdom of God is within you, the second coming is the holy Spirit which Jesus Christ promise us
@@DanielGonzalez-si1rd The word Rapture is not in the Bible, but the word caught up is, which explains Jesus saying we or His Bride, which we are is the one He is talking too, that will be caught up into the sky, which is the rapture in English understanding He will take us out of here so He can destroy this earth and set up the 1,000 year reign for the ones that got saved after the rapture. Lord Jesus went on the cross to die for our sins and that is what we are believing on His Faith that His works of the finished work of Christ on the cross is for us, so we wouldn't have to do the works of the crucifixion, because His blood sacrifice was the only shedding of blood that could save us and turn us white as snow. Then we will be riding behind Jesus when he comes back to Judge at the end of time, the 1,000-year reign and put the devil and Satan and all the antichrist ones that would never come to belief in the finished works of Christ on the cross to pay for the wages of sin for us and they will be going to the pit of hell for not believing in Lord Jesus Christ being God. Satan wanted to be God, and he will be burnt up because of his pride, which Lord Jesus warned that PRIDE will go before the fall. Like Gay PRIDE is going to put all of them in the pit of Hell, if they don't repent and turn from their sins and ask Jesus for His salvation forgiveness. Repent and turn from sin and let The Holy Spirit save you, just ask Lord Jesus if I am right and he will tell you by putting it on your heart that Jesus died for us so we wouldn't have to go to Hell and instead go to Heaven with Him. God Bless!
I grew up Lutheran. Went to Lutheran school too. I was very lukewarm my entire life until I almost lost my son 6 years ago.. Soon after I started going to a chapter by chapter verse by verse church & I learned about the rapture. LUKE 21,Esther, Jacob Leah & Rachel, Lot, typology all through the bible really... I still had my doubts but I drew close to the Lord & trusted Him with my son, then ALL areas of my life. Jesus & the early church apostles taught the rapture. Great videos on it by Lee Brainard. I was convinced & began to study eschatology almost daily... Then, I had a vision of being raptured earlier this year. I can't explain to you the complete peace & total joy I experienced!! Not here to convince you just warn you. Don't be lukewarm. Don't be Lot's wife. Don't love the world or the things in it.. You will NOT be taken out before God's judgement starts if you are living in unrepentant sin. Saved doesn't = raptured. Most of you don't even believe in OSAS or a rapture. Look at Laodicea being vomited out of Christ's mouth... Ask the Holy Spirit to show you. Time is short. Maranatha!!
So Luke 17 has no meaning? You know, the book written before the "Schofield Bible", like around 60-80AD. The problem with denominational doctrines is it's the become the doctrines of Devils! I'm this or I'm part of that church, because this guy knows the word and we follow His teaching, but are you Christ's Church and do you follow His teachings? That doctrine that he says, was His that sent me? The Father's Doctrine. There's one doctrine, one Jesus and only one church? Who's teaching you, the Holy Spirit, or some guy that started his own denomination?
@@seanvanwie6415Every single word is relevant in the Bible. I don't adhere to a denominational church. I go to a non-denominational church actually. I do however study God's word and don't presume to know it all. I am aware of when and how it came to be, but thank you for adding that info for others. I can only assume you were giving reference to Luke 17:20-26. Those verses are given in reference to Christ's second coming not the "snatching" away of His church. Please read in its entirety 1 Thes. 4:15-18, 1 Cor 15:51-58 & John 14. Revelation is written in 3 parts. Things that were,are and will be. Luke 17 refers to Rev.19 Christ's second coming. The church is mentioned in Rev 1,2,3&4 and doesn't get mentioned again till Rev 19. Study to show yourself approved. Let the Holy Spirit show you. Pray for the next however long you want and wait to hear His answer. He will illustrate His word to you in TRUTH not man's lies. This is a lie that is being led by 1 Devil not devil's and his demons. We can agree to disagree.
I'm so glad to see that Christians are waking up to this false doctrine. GOD knew this false doctrine would come about ,he warned us about it way back in Ezekiel 13: 18-20 . I
Hi my friend, you will be amazed when the rapture come.THE LORD JESUS is coming now.GOD bless with wisdom but dont forget the begining of wisdom is fear of LORD.I love you all.
😇 What is the end times tribulation? 😇 The tribulation is a future seven-year period when God will finish His discipline of Israel and finalize His judgment of the unbelieving world. The church, comprised of all who have trusted in the person and work of the Lord Jesus, will not be present during the tribulation. The church will be removed from the earth in an event called the rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:51-53). In this way, the church is saved from the wrath to come (1 Thessalonians 5:9). Throughout Scripture, the tribulation is associated with the day of the Lord, that time during which God personally intervenes in history to accomplish His plan (see Isaiah 2:12; 13:6-9; Joel 1:15; 2:1-31; 3:14; 1 Thessalonians 5:2). It is referred to as “tribulation . . . in the latter days” (Deuteronomy 4:30,); the great tribulation, which refers to the more intense second half of the seven-year period (Matthew 24:21); “a time of distress” (Daniel 12:1); and “the time of Jacob’s trouble” (Jeremiah 30:7,). And we have this description of the tribulation that attends the day of the Lord: “That day will be a day of wrath- a day of distress and anguish, a day of trouble and ruin, a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and blackness- a day of trumpet and battle cry” (Zephaniah 1:15-16). The tribulation will be marked by various divine judgments, celestial disturbances, natural disasters, and terrible plagues (see Revelation 6-16). In His mercy, God sets a limit on the duration of the tribulation. As Jesus said, “Those will be days of distress unequaled from the beginning, when God created the world, until now-and never to be equaled again. If the Lord had not cut short those days, no one would survive” (Mark 13:19-20). Daniel 9:24-27 reveals the purpose and time of the tribulation. This passage speaks of 70 weeks that have been declared against “your people.” Daniel’s people are the Jews, the nation of Israel, and Daniel 9:24 speaks of a period of time in which God’s purpose is “to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy.” God declares that “seventy sevens” will fulfill all these things. The “sevens” are groups of years, so 70 sevens is 490 years. (Some translations refer to 70 “weeks” of years.) In Daniel 9:25 and 26, the Messiah will be cut off after “seven sevens and sixty-two sevens” (69 total sevens), beginning with the decree to rebuild Jerusalem. In other words, 69 sevens (483 years) after the decree to rebuild is issued, the Messiah will die. Biblical historians confirm that 483 years passed from the time of the decree to rebuild Jerusalem to the time when Jesus was crucified. Most Christian scholars, regardless of their view of eschatology, have the above understanding of Daniel’s 70 sevens. God said that 70 weeks had been determined (490 years), but, with the death of the Messiah, we only have 69 weeks accounted for (483 years). This leaves one seven-year period to be fulfilled “to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy” (Daniel 9:24). This final seven-year period is what we call the tribulation-the time when God finishes judging Israel and brings them back to Himself. Daniel 9:27 gives a few highlights of the final week, the seven-year tribulation period: “[A ruler] will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.” Jesus refers to this passage in Matthew 24:15. The ruler who confirms the covenant and then sets up the abomination is called “the beast” in Revelation 13. According to Daniel 9:27, the beast’s covenant will be for seven years, but in the middle of this week (3 ½ years into the tribulation), the beast will break the covenant, putting a stop to the Jewish sacrifices. Revelation 13 explains that the beast will place an image of himself in the temple and require the world to worship him. Revelation 13:5 says that this will go on for 42 months, which is 3 ½ years (the second half of the tribulation). So, we see a covenant lasting to the middle of the “week” (Daniel 9:27) and the beast who made the covenant demanding worship for 42 months (Revelation 13:5). Therefore, the total length of time is 84 months or seven years. We also have a reference to the last half of the tribulation in Daniel 7:25. There, the ruler will oppress God’s people for “a time, times, and half a time” (time=1 year; times=2 years; half a time=½ year; total of 3 ½ years). This time of oppression against the Jews is also described in Revelation 13:5-7 and is part of the “great tribulation,” the latter half of the seven-year tribulation when the beast, or the Antichrist, will be in power. A further reference to the timing of events in the tribulation is found in Revelation 11:2-3, which speaks of 1,260 days and 42 months (both equaling 3 ½ years, using the “prophetic year” of 360 days). Also, Daniel 12:11-12 speaks of 1,290 days and 1,335 days from the midpoint of the tribulation. The additional days in Daniel 12 may include time after the tribulation for the judgment of the nations (Matthew 25:31-46) and time for the setting up of Christ’s millennial kingdom (Revelation 20:4-6). In summary, the tribulation is the seven-year period in the end times in which humanity’s decadence and depravity will reach its fullness, with God judging accordingly. Also during that time, Israel will repent of their sin and receive Jesus as their Messiah, setting up a time of great blessing and restoration (Zephaniah 3:9-20; Isaiah 12; 35). King James Version. ✝️
1 Thessalonians 4:15 ..... "For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep." Tells everybody right there that Christians will be on Earth when Jesus Returns.
Rev 3:10 Jesus says I will keep you from the hour of trial that will come upon the whole earth to test them! True believers are not appointed to the wrath of God! Jesus took God’s wrath upon himself!
The earliest church taught the "harpottzo"...the actual Greek word for "rapture". I have documented the fact of this Biblical and most important doctrine. The Roman church replaced the rapture doctrine with Amillennialism.
@nuggetoftruth-ericking7489 THE early church never taught a rapture. They taught Hebrews 9:28 he bore the sins of many at his first appearance, and to them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. One time to forgive the second time to deliver us at the kingdom of God for a 1000 year reign .
@nuggetoftruth-ericking7489 There is NO facts to back up any rapture. None of the apostles, Jesus nor the prophets ever taught that doctrine. The religionist Rome, Darby, Schofield, Margaret Mc Donald and others are responsible for this teaching. No where does it say anyone goes or returns to heaven at Christ's returns.
I surveyed the comments to this video yesterday, and I am appalled by the lack of grace-filled words on the part of a number of the commenters. From the topic, I think it's safe to presume that the overwhelming majority of the participants are followers of Jesus Christ, yet in so many instances the conversation exhibits in no way the fruits of God’s spirit, which we know are love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Brothers and sisters in the Lord, how can this be so? I say this as a rebuke to several serial commenters who, though they abundantly quote scripture, are clearly uninterested in considering the scripture passages and relevant historical facts put forward by others. I see neither love, peace, kindness, goodness, gentleness nor self-control exhibited as they seem more interested in defending their personal opinions about what the Bible says, rather than approaching God’s word with humility. They may have an insight to share, but their many words lacking the seasoning of grace are not winning any hearts. I am also specifically calling out others who stridently label those with whom they disagree as “liars” or purveyors of “lies”, even suggesting that they are in service of the “father of lies”. Really? The lack of gentleness and self-control here is simply breathtaking. And to justify their lack of Spirit-guided manners they hide behind a concern for truth, and the argument that persons may fall away from the faith should the rapture not turn out as they expected. The Bible tells us that many will fall away from the faith in the end times, so don’t be surprised about it. But when they do, it won’t be because the rapture didn’t turn out as they expected - it will be because they didn’t belong to the Lord in the first place. The Bible also tells us that the Gospel is offensive to unbelievers in their mind-darkened state. However, we also should not add our own personal offensiveness to it as we labor in the Lord’s harvest. These people are puffed up beyond belief by what knowledge they think they have. It’s hard to see how the Holy Spirit is at work in their words, and it is the Holy Spirit that convicts of truth. I’m not saying they don’t have the Holy Spirit living within them; rather, it seems that they have quenched the Holy Spirit by their ungracious attitudes. The apostle Paul is at the tail end of addressing a similar fracas in his first letter to the Corinthian church when he writes, “If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.” 1 Corinthians 13:1-2 There are some notable participants in these comments that need to take this scripture as seriously as they do the rapture, lack thereof or the timing thereof. Finally, I find it interesting that some of the advocates of one persuasion seem as though they would be disappointed if they weren’t on-hand and get to suffer in the great tribulation that is coming. With no small bravado they taunt, “what are you afraid of?” I can’t help but wonder if they might feel something might be lacking in their salvation without having done so … as if one could earn salvation that is the free gift of God. I can only answer for myself: I’m not afraid of anything because I serve God who is sovereign and whose love for me was demonstrated on the cross before I was ever born. The misery to come in the great tribulation will be unparalleled in human history, and I wouldn’t relish facing it for myself or anyone else. So, if it’s God’s plan to remove the Church before the great tribulation starts - which I believe is scriptural and has been taught as so from the earliest days of the Church - why would I second-guess God by reasoning that such a blessing surely could not be because other Christians have suffered and are suffering at the hands of God’s enemy? God’s ways are not our ways, and His purposes are higher than our purposes. His plans are not like how we would plan. Throughout our lives we see God pouring out blessing in ways that don’t seem fair from a human perspective, but we know that God is holy, just and good - all the time, every time. Let us not forget that there is an enemy that is bent wholly upon stealing, killing and destroying all that God has made and purposed for good, and sometimes God allows the enemy’s activity so that He can subvert its evil intent into His good purposes. So, if the rapture comes before the Lord takes me home to be with him, I will gladly boast in the blessing of the Lord for me and for other Christians globally, some of whom who have already suffered greatly at the hands of God’s enemy. But, if it is God’s plan that I see the dreadful days of the great tribulation, I will face it with confidence knowing that the only one I could fear is the One whose righteous wrath against me has already burned on the Lord Jesus Christ in my place. Talk about something that wasn’t fair at all by human reasoning, but I’ll take it!! And in the meantime, I won’t be bashful at all about living for and seeking God’s blessing however it may come.
1 Thessalonians 4:15 ..... "For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep." Tells everybody right there that Christians will be on Earth when Jesus Returns.
I recently did an in-depth study of a pre-trib rapture and I found you can only infer a pre-trib rapture, but scripturally it's not to be found. I suggest everyone study the bible and pray for understanding.
I have personally looked into the scriptures for and against the "rapture". The thing that concerns me the most is how many believers in Christ will become part of the apostasy and walk away if the rapture does not occur! "He that shall endure to the end, the same shall be saved." Matthew 24:13
So, are you saying that all that have died in the past need to be dug up and 'endure to the end', then they will be saved? You have not personally looked very deeply into the 'for and against' or you would have thought that part out a little better. There are many Christians who have died quietly in their beds, with loved ones at their sides. What is it that they endured to the end?
@@sydneyperry3672 First of all, I am already born again saved to the uttermost from my sins...! When Jesus said: "Marvel not that I say unto you, that you must be born again!" (John 3:7) Saved people are going to Heaven, lost people are going to go through the tribulation and to Hell..! (II Thessalonians 2:11-12) Those that died before Calvary, yet they died in faith...! (Hebrews 11:39-40) Notice (verses 13-16)
@@DottieWadethis has nothing to do with the tribulation. It’s referring to the course of their life. Meaning, if a person halfway through their life, turns their back on Christ - they were not a real believer to begin with
My mother-in-law and son-in-law were arguing about this very thing the other day. And I said pretty much the same thing. It doesn't matter what you belive will happen. That parts already decided.
Dear brother !! You are being the great deception of these Last Days . 1st and 2nd Thessalonians speaks of the snatching away from HIS Wrath !!🙏🏼🌹🛐 Praying JoyFull FaithFilled Prayers for you 🙏🏼🛐
The church did not replace Israel, the bible says we (the gentiles) were grafted in. When you graft a plant the old is not replaced but grow together. I pray your eyes are opened
church is a biblical word for “assembly.” the assembly of the saints of God living or dead. It is not a building or anything created by man. I am neither Jew or Greek. I am gentile sinner saved by Grace, a child of God, the bride of Christ. I belong to the church " assembly" of Christ. So yes, the church is much greater than Israel, because it is eternal not temporal. Is not of this world.
True israel was joined by believing gentiles as the church. The unbelieving were branches broken off and gentile believers grafted in. The mystery was gentiles would be JOINT HEIRS AND OF THE SAME BODY . READ EPHESIANS 2 AND 3. not all in israel is of israel ( a jew is one circumcised of the heart and the promises were given to the SEED OF ABRAHAM'S WHICH IS JESUS SO WE HAVE THEM IN HIM) That is what ppl cannot understand bc of this teaching. It's confused ppl into thinking there are 2 sets of God's ppl but there is one. Neither jew nor Greek but one new man in Christ. Peter Saya the church is a " holy nation" bc it's not based on geneology but we all are children of God by faith in Christ not by bloodline. ❤
True, they are separated from what they represent...12,000 x 12 Tribes is but a Remnant Kept, however, the 7-Churches and the Multitude that are derived have much to Fulfill! They are the Many who must find themselves Accepting the Millennial Reign of Christ on Earth, as it is in Heaven! This time the Servants shall receive from the Master of the House, as it is the Master of the House who Returns upon all the World, and he is expecting those who listened to be doing his Good Works! ...No, the Church does not replace the Elect New Son's of GOD, but those are so very few, as Many are Called, yet, few are Chosen!
😇 What does the Bible say about scoffers? 😇 The word translated "scoffer" in English can mean "one who mocks, ridicules, or scorns the belief of another." In Hebrew, the word translated "scoffer" or "mocker" can also mean "ambassador." So a scoffer is one who not only disagrees with an idea, but he also considers himself an ambassador for the opposing idea. He cannot rest until he has demonstrated the foolishness of any idea not his own. A scoffer voices his disagreement, ridicules all who stand against him, and actively recruits others to join his side. In the Bible, scoffers are those who choose to disbelieve God and His Word. They say in their hearts, "There is no God" (Psalm 14:1), and make it their ambition to ridicule those who follow God. The Bible has a lot to say about scoffers (Proverbs 19:29; 29:8; Acts 13:41). Proverbs 3:34 says that God "scoffs at the scoffers, yet He gives grace to the afflicted." Psalm 1:1 gives us clear instruction about how to deal with scoffers: "How blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the ungodly, nor stand in the path of sinners, nor sit in the seat of scoffers" The progression of unbelief begins with listening to ungodly counsel and ends with joining the scoffers. The Bible warns us not to entertain the company of those who actively ridicule our faith, or we risk having that faith destroyed. Proverbs 13:20 says, "Whoever walks with the wise becomes wise, but the companion of fools will suffer harm" We cannot totally escape the presence of scoffers. They were active in Jesus’ day, and we continue to hear from them today. Jesus told His disciples, “If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you" (John 15:18-19). A Christian should "always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks . . . to give the reason for the hope that you have" (1 Peter 3:15). However, when we cease to be the influencers and start to become the influenced, it is time to "shake the dust off our feet" (Matthew 10:14; Mark 6:11; Luke 10:11). Second Peter 3:3 warns us that "in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires" (cf. Jude 1:18). We know from Scripture that scoffing will only increase as we near the time for Jesus’ return (2 Timothy 3:1-5). We already see it happening with the blanket acceptance of evolutionary theory that excludes a Creator, the rapid expansion of false religions that deny the deity of Christ, and the numeric explosion of those who identify themselves as agnostics and atheists. Scoffers have always been and will always be present in the world. But there is coming a promised day when "at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father" (Philippians 2:10-11). On that day there will no longer be any scoffers. They will at last accept the truth, and their scoffing will be forever silenced. King James Version. ✝️
Also, what does the book of Revelation say about 'Rich' men. For that matter, what did Jesus say about 'Rich' men. I just can't learn doctrine from a 'Rich' man ever again.
I know that you mean well, but that doesn't make you right. I hope and believe that you are saved? And from what I've heard about you, I believe that you are saved. So when the Rapture happens, don't complain, just enjoy the ride. You not believing in the Rapture won't stop it from happening. I believe there is a Rapture of the saved people ahead of the great Tribulation or the 70th week of Daniel or the 7 years of Tribulation. During this time, there will be the judgement seat of Christ and then the marriage supper of the Lamb of God and the Crowning of the King Jesus Christ. Then Christ second coming all of the way down to this earth to rule and reign from Jerusalem Israel 🇮🇱 for 1000 years.
There's going to be a rapture before the tribulation period . It will take place at God's timing.. The message comes from Jesus deciples. We are in the church age right now. The church age ends when Jesus comes to get his bride (the church). Then the tribulation period begins. Jesus comes back on a white horse at the end of the 7 year tribulation period .
@@Investormillard Technically, there isn't much of a battle. King Jesus will speak His Word, and His enemies will be instantly destroyed. After all, He is the God Man!
No it wont be like that. There cant be two resurrection of the saints... becauee thats what will hapoen before the rapture.. and if you read the end of revelations it says Immediately AFTER thise days, the dead will rise and AFTER that we will gather in the air with the Lord... so you cannot have 2 raptures and 2 resurrectures of the righteous. It doesnt maje sense.
We the saints will come back with him riding white horses at the end of the tribulation and he sits up his millennial rein. We went up in the rapture just before the tribulation started. That's what I have learned at Bible study. We are His bride and He won't make His bride go through the tribulation My teacher has specialized in study of the end times Direct from the Bible for many years.
😇 When is the Rapture going to occur in relation to the Tribulation? 😇 The timing of the rapture in relation to the tribulation is one of the most controversial issues in the church today. The three primary views are pre-tribulational (the rapture occurs before the tribulation), mid-tribulational (the rapture occurs at or near the mid-point of the tribulation), and post-tribulational (the rapture occurs at the end of the tribulation). A fourth view, commonly known as pre-wrath, is a slight modification of the mid-tribulational position. First, it is important to recognize the purpose of the tribulation. According to Daniel 9:27, there is a seventieth “seven” (seven years) that is still yet to come. Daniel’s entire prophecy of the seventy sevens (Daniel 9:20-27) is speaking of the nation of Israel. It is a time period in which God focuses His attention especially on Israel. The seventieth seven, the tribulation, must also be a time when God deals specifically with Israel. While this does not necessarily indicate that the church could not also be present, it does bring into question why the church would need to be on the earth during that time. The primary Scripture passage on the rapture is 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. It states that all living believers, along with all believers who have died, will meet the Lord Jesus in the air and will be with Him forever. The rapture is God’s removing of His people from the earth. A few verses later, in 1 Thessalonians 5:9, Paul says, “For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.” The book of Revelation, which deals primarily with the time period of the tribulation, is a prophetic message of how God will pour out His wrath upon the earth during the tribulation. It seems inconsistent for God to promise believers that they will not suffer wrath and then leave them on the earth to suffer through the wrath of the tribulation. The fact that God promises to deliver Christians from wrath shortly after promising to remove His people from the earth seems to link those two events together. Another crucial passage on the timing of the rapture is Revelation 3:10, in which Christ promises to deliver believers from the “hour of trial” that is going to come upon the earth. This could mean two things. Either Christ will protect believers in the midst of the trials, or He will deliver believers out of the trials. Both are valid meanings of the Greek word translated “from.” However, it is important to recognize what believers are promised to be kept from. It is not just the trial, but the “hour” of trial. Christ is promising to keep believers from the very time period that contains the trials, namely the tribulation. The purpose of the tribulation, the purpose of the rapture, the meaning of 1 Thessalonians 5:9, and the interpretation of Revelation 3:10 all give clear support to the pre-tribulational position. If the Bible is interpreted literally and consistently, the pre-tribulational position is the most biblically-based interpretation. King James Version. ✝️
Truth. The saints have always been persecuted, tortured, murdered because of our faith, and we will continue to be until the Day of the Lord. Maranatha Jesus ❤🙏 🙌
lol American saints “persecuted” today is being shadow banned HAHA- try looking up what a Roman Candle was- that’s real persecution and the great tribulation was 66-70AD. Nero was the man of sin and the 7 churches in Revelation have all been destroyed (buried and melted when excavated-look it up!)
@@TyrelBramwell Pray tell, Tyrel, what advantage is there for the Church to have to go through a time of horror such as the world has never seen, and will never see again? What would be the purpose of this? If the precious blood of Jesus Christ isn't enough to cleanse and to purify us from sins, then not a single one of us has the hope of a snowball surviving the eternal lake of fire!
@@skywatcher6864 By church, are you referring to the thousands in Nigeria that are being raped and beheaded for their faith in Jesus? By church, are you referring to the thousands who are being butchered in the middle east for their faith in Jesus? By church, are you referring to the thousands in North Korea that are being brutally murdered for their faith in Jesus and ground up to feed Un's palace pets? Or, by church, are you referring to the comfort seeking, comfort living people in the west (USA, Canada, etc) who've been indoctrinated into believing that they'll be spared widespread and intense persecution because they're "the church"?
@@TyrelBramwell Hi! As someone from a Soviet culture (now an immigrant in the USA) I believe that the resurrection was staged by the Romans, as explained in a popular book where I'm from - "The Gospel of Afranius"; like many others, I read it in childhood and never thought about this question again - until coming to the USA and noticing a stark contrast in the discussion of this question. What's wrong with that explanation? Also, I believe matter is eternal - it can only move and change but not appear from nowhere - seems like common sense to me, but apparently not here in the US, what's wrong with that?
John rich: "The word rapture is not in the bible..." 1 Thes. 4:17 AMP Then we who are alive and remain [on the earth] will simultaneously be caught up (raptured) together with them [the resurrected ones] in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord! Latin Vulgate: 1 Thessalonians 4:17 - deinde nos qui vivimus qui relinquimur simul RAPIEMUR cum illis in nubibus obviam Domino in aera et sic semper cum Domino erimus John Rich simply did not seem to know this.
This is why you listen to Pastors who preach the bible rather than Secular Singers! 1 Thessalonians was out long before John Darby. The Greek word is "Harpozo" and the Latin word is "Raptura" where we get the transliterated word Rapture which mean "caught up"!
1 Thessalonians 4:15 ..... "For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep." Tells everybody right there that Christians will be on Earth when Jesus Returns.
Then, when the deciples asked Jesus, when was He returning, and what are the signs in Mathew 24, Luke 21, and MArk 13, why doesJesus tell them, He comes after the Tribulation?
1 Thessalonians 4:15 ..... "For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep." Tells everybody right there that Christians will be on Earth when Jesus Returns.
No, you and Rich are wrong. Snatched out, Caught up, Raptured, whichever way you conceptionalize it, we go up into the air to meet the Lord in the clouds!
@@alvinboss3672 could you give me verses that mention the secret rapture please also the Left behind series is pure fiction the books and Hollywood movies
@@jackcumberland There is no "secret" Rapture and for you to even make that comment is quite facetious. The Rapture is a "Mystery" revealed by Paul. Biblically, a mystery is something that is being "revealed" or "unveiled" for the first time.
We are spared from the wrath of God which is His judgment on all unbelievers whe He Returns not the Tribulation! No one is saying that the Rapture isn't Biblical, a pre-trib Rapture isn't, that's the point. When does the Rapture occur??? When Jesus ACTUALLY RETURNS!!! Follow the Text!! Matthew 24:29-31 [29]“Immediately after the distress of those days “ ‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’ [30]“Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. [31]And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and THEY WILL GATHER HIS ELECT FROM THE FOUR WINDS, from one end of the heavens to the other.
It is so encouraging as someone who listens to the Lord and the Holy Spirit over the words of men, to see this be spoken. I have known for a long time that Scofield was wrong. Just look at his life. I have tried to warn others but it is so widespread that they just laugh. They see me as a nut because I have such different beliefs, they think. I turn from paganism in any form, so I don't fit in and that is fine by me. I would rather be on the narrow path than following those that follow men instead of Christ.
Does believing in or not believing in the rapture determine whether your saved or not. We need to be more concerned in people being born again and knowing the LORD than splitting hairs on the things that have no bearing on where people will spend eternity. The scripture tells us in many places that he will save us from that day.
What if the foundational doctrine behind it is heresy? Premillennial Dispensationalism is heresy. It teaches that there are 2 plans of salvation. Christ and the cross for the gentiles and the Jews being allowed to reject God and his messiah and live in utter rebellion until the end of the world when Jesus appears in the clouds to save Israel from total destruction from the Antichrist. Then they believe when they see him. No repentance and no faith in Jesus required.
@averagejoe7229. Were suppose to be Bereans and to show ourselves approved. Rightly dividing the Word of Truth, I think holding hands and singing kumbaya is a different spiritual walk.
I’ve been having this discussion with my father in law. As Southern Baptists, he believes (and so had I) about what is presented as The Rapture. After listening to discussions, having history presented, leaning on discernment, and reflecting on what I feel in my heart - that faith (or anything of true value) can, should, and will be challenged by struggle. Take your cross and bear it forward. Plus, I always believed that if The Rapture happens the way so many believe, that’s great! But I’m in it for the fight to come, the struggle we find ourselves in today, and the mandate to strive to live as Christ did…as flawed as I am. Prayers for everyone trying to navigate these troubled times.
Hi friend Jesus doesn't have a pretrib rapture for any church But there is a rapture into a church that belongs to the antichrist before the tribulation begins Basically, the antichrist church will pursecute Jesus christ church It will be false Christian battling against the true Christian
@angelcortez9662 Here is what the Holy Spirit would say Revelation chapter 3 verse 10 This verse is about God's word And for keeping God's word, then this group would be kept from the hour of trial The question is which group would be kept from the hour of trial Which group brought back God's word Now what reason was God's word lost? Romans chapter 1 verse 25 comes into mind For they changed the truths of God into lies And they worship the creature more than the creator Who is blessed forever and ever Who are they that changed God's word into lies 🤔? Ever wonder why we have so many protestant faiths in the world? What is the protest all about with these protestants faiths?
@angelcortez9662 Have you seen new protestant churches popping up lately? No, we haven't The reformers have all come to the scene There are no more reformers So, who was this last reformer? Most don't know this, but Ellen White was a reformer who came out of the protestant faith She didn't come out of the Catholic faith but from the union of the Baptist and methodist Church uniting back in the mid-1800s What happened with these two faiths that brought on a whole new revival to the world? Would you, my friend, like to see all this in the prophecy of God Just read Rev chapter 10, and you will see the experience of the Philadelphia church that brought back God's word
Well if it isn't true and you are left behind, will you please tell others where all the true Christians went after they all disappear from all over the Earth. Thanks 👍
Yes and for decades The Scofield Bible was EVIL for including notes. Now everyone produces a noted Bible in their position. So notes are not evil anymore? It was jealousy all along.
Once born again and The Holy Spirit becomes our Great Teacher that no man can replace. I was born again in 2005 and began going to Evangelical church services while reading scripture on my own and what I found was I was learning and being fed more on my own readings and studies of the Bible than attending church services. The Holy Spirit quickly showed me this error of a so called "rapture" or secret coming of Christ and I began my own investigation and found out exactly what John Rich is saying here. God bless!
Ya... but Enoch was raptured before the Great Flood - the Tribulation of his time (a foreshadow of the raptured saints who )... Noah represents the left behind Trubulation saints....Enoch did not die - Noah died - both were saved
There is actually 3 distinct returns of Jesus in the end times. Once in the clouds (no mention of blood), once recorded in Is. 63 when He treads out the wine press alone and no one is with Him, and the third is when He returns with ten thousands of His saints (with a garment dipped in blood). The dipped is defined as overwhelmed or covered. The promise at the end of Revelation says if you take away from the prophecy of this book your name shall be taken out of the Book of Life. Be careful what you spread to those who are weak in faith.
@@janicemilbourn2005 wHAT i HAVE UNDERSTOOD. THE RAPTURE: THE DEAD IN CHRIST WILL RISE FIRST, THEN WE (BELIEVERS) THATREMAIN WILL BE CAUGHT UP TO MEET HIM IN THE AIR. THEN COMES THE 7 YEARS OF TRIBULATION, THE TRIBULATION ENDS WHEN CHRIST RETURNS TO THE EARTH, THEN THERE IS THE MILLENIUM. AT THE END OF THE MILLENIUM, JUDGEMENT WILL COME.
It's not about believers even Satan believes.....There's so many that believe in a God yet they don't know Jesus Christ it takes more then just belief....his words not mine....Sheep know the Shepards voice....❤
@@Ian-h5f totally agree....so many are lost we are to speak truth to all without it there will be more lost....prayers to all...I know Jesus personally!!!
👑 THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST 👑 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 - Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures. King James Version. ✝️
My advise to you is listen to yourselves on this video clip. There is not a single biblical scripture throughout.Basically 0:02 all you doing is pumping your own opinions and lying to yourselves and putting ours down. The Rapture is biblical go back and read the scripture and ask the Holy Spirit to guide you into the truth and he will surely show you it’s not a mystery. It’s in plain American English. So please don’t bring Gods wrath upon yourselves. I say this with love and kindness. Praise God Amen 🙏
We are spared from the wrath of God which is His judgment, not any Tribulation! No one is saying that the Rapture isn't Biblical, a pre-trib Rapture isn't, that's the point. When does the Rapture occur??? When Jesus ACTUALLY RETURNS!!! Follow the Text!! Matthew 24:29-31 [29]“Immediately after the distress of those days “ ‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’ [30]“Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. [31]And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and THEY WILL GATHER HIS ELECT FROM THE FOUR WINDS, from one end of the heavens to the other.
We are spared from the wrath of God which is His judgment, not the Tribulation! No one is saying that the Rapture isn't Biblical, a pre-trib Rapture isn't, that's the point. When does the Rapture occur??? When Jesus ACTUALLY RETURNS!!! Follow the Text!! Matthew 24:29-31 [29]“Immediately after the distress of those days “ ‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’ [30]“Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. [31]And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and THEY WILL GATHER HIS ELECT FROM THE FOUR WINDS, from one end of the heavens to the other.
🛡️⚔️ ARMOR OF GOD ⚔️🛡️ Ephesians 6:10-18 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints; King James Version. ✝️
I was just thinking similar things. see. I have had a Rapture dream. But, I have to ask myself, where did this dream come from?.... IDK. I can say tho, that it was NOT any sort of 'normal' dream........ I Believe in Jesus Christ.....period
1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 For this we say unto you by the Word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air : and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
This is the Rapture, after this, the Tribulation begins. After the Tribulation, Armeggedon, Christ will return and then begins the earthly reign of one thousand years on earth when there will be peace. The main thing is just repent of your sins, trust in Christ as your Lord and Savior and walk with Him and be ready to meet Him in the air.
@@sandyhigh549 Also in Luke 17:26-30 Jesus says people will be getting married and life will be like normal. When he returns at the very end the whole world is practically destroyed, and more than half of the population will be dead. I don’t think we will be having weddings while the sun is darkened lol. Also Jesus says he can come at anytime, and no man knows the date. If we end up in the tribulation we can literally set an exact date. In the seven letters in Revelation Jesus says he will keep one of the churches out of the tribulation and threatens sending one into it. Not sure why he would say that either. I can go on forever lol. Listen to Chuck Missler on the rapture if you haven’t already. He also goes over a bunch of early church leaders who taught it
@@jon-michaelsmith8187 but where are those that are taken being sent to? Luke 17:37 Where, Lord?” they asked. He replied, “Where there is a dead body, there the vultures will gather
I agree; I struggled with pre, mid, post, for a long time because of Matthew; The gospels are written to everyone, however, what if the gospels are also addressing different groups of people! TEST THIS ASAP; TIME IS SHORT! In the 3 gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke, before Jesus is crucified, he is put in 3 different colored robes. (3 categories of people). Luke 23:11 Gorgeous robe; meaning white, bright, (like a bride?) Mark 15:17 Purple robe, Matthew 27:28 Scarlet; (tribulation colors) interestingly, John 19:2 he's put in a purple robe. FIND OUT WHY! (22 MINUTE VIDEO, start at 5 min mark) ua-cam.com/video/j2YTyQ9xVFs/v-deo.htmlsi=3uT5L41Rr-Rs_glh . ON THE CROSS: Luke 23:46, into thy hands I commend (G3908) my spirit. G3908: to place beside... Mark 15:34 and Matthew 27:46, Jesus says the same thing; why HAST THOU FORSAKEN (G1459) me? G1459: TO LEAVE BEHIND; AMAZING! I love you brothers and sister! We're all trying to know THE truth and grow closer to Jesus!
Mt. 24: 31, 40-44 is referring to the rapture of Israel sometime during the seven years of Jacob's Troubles, known as the Great Tribulation. The doctrine of the Rapture is as true and reliable as is the doctrine of the Second Coming of Christ. There are at least 16 major differences between the Rapture and the Second Coming. Here are a few of them: #1: The Rapture is the ‘blessed hope’ (Titus 2: 13, "appearing" is NOT the same as coming to earth) while the Second Coming is a Day to be greatly feared (Isa. 13: 9; Amos 5: 18). #2: In the Rapture, Jesus comes for his Church (1 Thess. 4:16, 17 , at His Second Coming He brings the Church with Him (Rev. 19: 24). #3: In the Rapture, the Church is taken to Heaven (John 14: 2, 3 ); at the Second Coming Jesus sets up earthly rule (Rev. 20: 4). #4: The Rapture happens before the Antichrist and the Tribulation (1 Thess. 5: 9; 2 Thess. 2: 3); the Second Coming happens after both (Mt. 24:29,39). #5: In the Rapture, only the born again Church sees the Lord come for them (I Thess. 4: 17); at the Second Coming the whole world witnesses it (Rev. 1: 7). #6: In the Rapture, no angels are sent to gather the Church; Christ Himself does the gathering (I Cor. 15: 52); at the Second Coming, angels do all the gathering for judgment (Mt. 24: 30, 31). #7: The Judgment Seat of Christ follows the Rapture (Rewards throne, Bema Seat of Christ: (2 Corinthians 5:10); the Judgment of Nations (Great White Throne Judgment) follows the Second Coming (Mt. 25: 44-46). #8: Famine, war, and pestilence follow the Rapture (Jer. 30:7; Mt. 24: 3, 6-8). The verse in Matthew 24 where the apostles ask Jesus about the “sign of thy coming” is a direct reference to the Second Coming. The doctrine of the Rapture was unknown to them at this time, and would not be revealed until Paul, 30 years from the writing of Matthew. One thousand years of world peace follows the Second Coming (Isa. 11: 6-10). #9: No one in the Bible knew of the doctrine of the Rapture of the Church until it was revealed by the Lord to Paul (1 Cor. 15: 51, 52). This is one of the greatest proof-texts for why the Rapture of the Church and the Second Coming cannot be the same event. Paul, in Corinthians 15, is the very first to tell us of the Rapture of the Church, and lets us know that it is a “mystery” revealed by God to him alone, which he then was charged with teaching the Church. Nearly every Bible chronology places the date of the writing of Matthew at around 35 AD, and the writing of Corinthians at around 66 AD. This is important, because if no one knew of the doctrine of the Rapture of the Church until Paul, then Matthew 24 and 25 cannot be, under any circumstances, referring to the Church and the Rapture because no one knew of any Rapture. In fact, at the time of Matthew, the Church was not even formed. If Matthew knew and wrote about the Rapture of the Church, then Paul was lying when he said it was a MYSTERY that he was revealing for the first time in Corinthians. #10: At the Rapture, believers are given a glorified body (I Cor. 15: 51, 52); at the Second Coming the earthly saints remain in earthly bodies as they enter the Millennial Kingdom (Isa. 65: 17-21) . If you are not only a Bible believer but also intellectually honest, then you must admit that we have proved completely that the Rapture of the Church and the Second Coming of Jesus Christ are two very different FUTURE events with two very different results. I have given 10 reasons as to why, but could easily provide more examples of the differences between the two events. Things that are different cannot be the same. Case closed.
@@thruitallauto2538 Many here are doubting the Rapture, even denying it. As for timing, nobody can "know the day or the hour", as Jesus said. However, He also said we'd be able to recognize the season of it, based upon the "birth pains" leading up to the Great Tribulation. It's looking pretty "ripe" where I'm at! There will always be arguments about the timing in the Body of Christ, because most do not bother to buy good and reliable theology books that deal with such subjects, and so much more. Drs. John Walvoord, J. Dwight Pentecoste, and Henry Thiessen in their own theology books have studiously put all the players in the right places at the right times. They have to fit together with absolute precision or one's eschatology can quickly become flawed, as we're seeing here. Those books are inexpensive and can be bought on Amazon. They're worth their weight in gold, because they deal with arguments and suppositions on "both sides of the aisle", exposing the truth in the middle. Actually, they're fun and very interesting to read!
Human nature as a Christian is wanting to find something that you can rest on and be assured everything will be OK. But the last days are not a time for rest. They are a time for preparation so if anyone feels uneasy about when the rapture will occur, you're putting your Faith and hope in the wrong place. Your Hope and faith should be in Being prepared for his return.
1 Thessalonians 4:15 ..... "For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep." Tells everybody right there that Christians will be on Earth when Jesus Returns.
Zechariah 13:9 "And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them". If you know him you will be refined and tried.
What is your point? It’s actually wrong because Calvinists believe in eternal security and Presbyterians do not believe in the Darby/scofield “rapture”.
Rapturo...is in the Latin Vulgate. ..... Harpazo, in Greek. But, not trying to argue. Why?.. because I know nothing......apparently just like everyone else.
the pre-trib rapture was popularized by Darby but he didn't come up with it. we have access to the same Bible. The rapture was thought by early church fathers. No one will take away that blessed hope away from me.
I'm with you brother 💯 Some people think because we believe in the Rapture that all of a sudden if it didn't happen we would become Satan worshippers and take the mark. As if they think if there is no Rapture they are somewhat stronger than those of us that believe in the Rapture. They need to get over themselves.
We are spared from the wrath of God which is His judgment, not the Tribulation! No one is saying that the Rapture isn't Biblical, a pre-trib Rapture isn't, that's the point. When does the Rapture occur??? When Jesus ACTUALLY RETURNS!!! Follow the Text!! Matthew 24:29-31 [29]“Immediately after the distress of those days “ ‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’ [30]“Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. [31]And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and THEY WILL GATHER HIS ELECT FROM THE FOUR WINDS, from one end of the heavens to the other.
At 11.31 he says rapture happens at end of tribulation. That is the basic thing that John Rich is talking about. Unfortunately some may take his remarks as if he doesn't believe in the rapture. Titles of videos don't help. Ps God knows these debates will happen. Look at the early church. It's how we react to those who think differently about a non salvation subject that is something we should loving about and not harsh. Love the bit about speculation . Cheers
Right off the bat, you show that Rich is wrong on two statements, and yet you use him as a reference for your incorrect thinking? You just went a long way towards disqualifying your own theory! Bottom line: if you’re not looking for the Blessed Hope (Titus 2:13), it’s very possible you’ll be “Left Behind”, because you’re not anticipating His imminent return and your heart is not right. Also, btw, your perspective disagrees with the vast majority of pastors out there, a survey for which is readily available online. So God bless you with that minority, misinformed belief! Furthermore, how is it any kind of a blessed hope, if the Church, His people, have to go through all the horrible judgements in Revelation?, when again and again we see His deliverance from judgement in Scripture: Noah and his family in the flood, Lot and his family in Sodom & Gomorrah, and Nineveh in the book of Jonah. Deliverance after deliverance is God’s way. Yes, the early Church went through horrible persecution, but that was from men, and not a judgement from God. All Christians are called to persecution, to a greater or lesser extent. But never do we see God’s judgement coming against His redeemed. The very notion of believers being crushed by God’s judgement makes the Cross null and void, where Jesus died to save us from His judgement against sin.
Your eschatology is askew. Titus 2 refers to living godly lives in the midst of a dark world, and infers looking ahead to the coming kingdom of Jesus (not the rapture). You have no sense of the security of the believer in saying that the believers who are not anticipating His imminent return will be left behind. That is a slap in the face to any who do not agree with your pre-trib view. My, how kind and loving you are!!! The Bible says nothing about a pre-trib rapture but it does teach a rapture at the end of the Tribulation. Read Matthew 24:29-31. As for minority/majority, sometimes it is the minority which is right. Darby’s erroneous and faulty dispensationalism was spread because it made logical sense, but it has no biblcal sense. As for the judgment seen in Revelation, does it say that these will be leveled against God’s people? No. You cannot put a particular instance of what happened with Noah and apply it to all future events. To do so is irresponsible. Once again, you need to get out of your mind the notion that God will pour out His judgments on His people in the Tribulation. Did you forget about the persecutions from the anti-Christ?
Matthew 24:3-31 KJV - And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows. Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
The apostle Paul himself was waiting for the rapture lol! The doctrine of the rapture has been preached since the apostle Paul and that is way more than 200 years ago! 😬
I have seen the rapture in a dream from God Most High and it’s awesome! Three Rivers of souls flowing (flying) toward our destination like three rivers in one. The top portion of souls literally made me feel and see the glory of God Most High like I had never seen, full of all joy, praise, and cups running over for all to see the brilliant joy of the Lord Most High. The middle portion of the river of souls were happy and content, but not near as happy, or brilliant as the ones above. The last River of souls had the least brilliance, but were just happy to be there.
There are many people that are having these dreams now. Even small children. I've seen scores of videos of people that have been having these dreams. Cloud 9 blessings has these videos every day from people relating their own dreams of the rapture and tribulation. And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: (Acts 2:17). God Bless.
The FIRST thing I look for when I hear a new preacher is if they teach pre-trib. If they do, I'm done because I know all of their teachings will be off. Here is something I wrote out years ago. It's long, but only about a 5 minute read. PLEASE do read ALL. No pre trib. The verses pre-trib "pastors" NEVER read to you. I am capitalizing words to bring attention to them, but I'm not screaming, except in my spirit for people to wake up. John, (and also Paul), had a vision, but John was still in prison. He was PRAYING in THE SPIRIT. That's how we should pray every day and be THAT close to God, every day. Jesus Christ, Himself, gives us MANY warnings to PREPARE us for tribulation. He even warned the disciples they would be killed for their faith. I'm sure they would have loved being snatched away. Moses and his people, as well. When they crossed the Red Sea, there was your rapture, then the Egyptians were killed. When Noah went into the ark and God shut the door, there is your rapture, and everyone else on earth was killed. When Lot and his family were out (except for his wife), there is your rapture, and then everyone else was killed. All were protected on this earth during the times of trouble proceeding. All these are (1) tribulation, (2) rapture, and then (3) God's wrath. It's never going to change. Only the righteous saved, then the wicked die THAT DAY. I can't even count the times I've read or heard "Jesus wouldn't want a battered, bloody, and abused bride." Well, what were the disciples (including Paul)? Chumps? Their names are on the gates of New Jerusalem. What about John the baptist that was beheaded? Jesus said in Luke 7:28 "I tell you, among those born of women there is no one greater than John, yet even the least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.” Well, that's a mic drop statement if I have ever seen one. All honored by Christ. There is a DAY of the Lord. The wrath of God is on that day. Christians will escape GOD'S wrath. The tribulation is the devil's wrath (3 1/2 years). Jesus warns us about the last days because we will be here until the time of the end. He warns us so we will have faith and strength to endure "to the end". "But for the elect's sake, those days will be shortened." (from 7 to 3 1/2). It will be no secret (Matthew 24:27) "For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be." Very loud and very bright. The disciples asked when He's coming. Anyone that still questions this, is now debating with scripture because JESUS tells us, and Jesus is speaking to YOU, to NOT BE DECEIVED. Jesus begins by saying DO NOT BE DECEIVED. Jesus (Matthew 24:29-30) says 29 IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall SEE the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. NO ONE goes before the dead and Jesus, Himself, says FOUR times in John 6, "I will raise them on the LAST DAY". Last Day, last trump (7th). Last is last, and a day is a day, not before and not plural. John 6:39 39This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the LAST DAY. John 6:40 40And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the LAST DAY. John 6:44 44No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the LAST DAY. John 6:54 54Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the LAST DAY. And, 1 Corinthians 15:51-52 tells us our body will go from mortal to immortal in a twinkling of an eye. When? At the LAST TRUMP. The dead first, then "we" that are still alive. The last runner in a race, is not the first. Last is last. Last trump, last day. The end of alllllll days. No more chances to change. It's a done deal, judgement is right then and God's wrath is finally that DAY. 51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. Revelation 20:4-6 4And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. THIS IS THE FIRST RESURRECTION. 6Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years. Even Martha knew Lazarus would be raised on THE LAST DAY, and Jesus confirmed it. He did not say everyone would be raised earlier, He confirmed HE would be the one to raise everyone at the LAST day. John 11:24-25 24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the LAST DAY. 25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live. NOT before the man of sin is revealed. 2 Thessalonians 2:3 3Let NO MAN deceive you by any means: for that DAY shall NOT come, except there come a falling away first, and that MAN OF SIN be REVEALED, the son of perdition; Revelation 7:14 And I said to him, “Sir, you know.” So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the GREAT TRIBULATION, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Those that are still alive, will go through great tribulation because we are believers in Jesus Christ. Again, Jesus told the disciples they will be KILLED because of their faith in Him. What people don't emphasize, is how anyone of us could kill over dead any second. Our time to find Him and spread His message is now. If any of us are still here during that time, we will either be protected ON THIS EARTH (not in Heaven), or killed because we refuse the mark. Again, Moses and God's people were PROTECTED ON THIS EARTH by God. They had light in their dwellings, their cattle didn't have lice, etc.. The 5 foolish virgins thought they were good to go, but found out they were not. All 10 virgins had lamps, but the 5 foolish no longer had oil in theirs (the Holy Spirit). When the bridegroom came, they thought they could fix it, but when they came back, the door was closed and NEVER to open again. A done deal. There is your 'left behind'. We don't get a second chance once Christ comes back on the last day. We have our second and millionth chance now. Matthew 25:1-13 1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. 2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. 3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: 4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. 5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. 6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. 7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. 8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. 9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. 10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. 11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. 12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. There will be no "left behind" that will get second chances. Our second and millionth chance is now. Please read what JESUS SAYS. He's warned us so we can prepare in faith like Daniel in the den and the 3 in the fire. When you throw out the pre-trib lie from the devil, the bible will open up to you like it's never done before. It will all make so much since, I promise. We have to have the faith to be ready to die for Him. Peter said he would, but then realized he couldn't and denied Christ 3 times. Peter finally found that much faith in the end. A "pre-trib rapture" is teaching you to SAVE your life (Those that SAVE their life will LOSE it and those that lose their life will be saved) and not ENDURE to the END (Those that endure to the END will be saved) and NOT be ready to DIE for Christ, but is inventing an easy and cushy way out, that is NOT biblical. A pre-trib is preparing you to believe the FALSE Christ is the real Christ and Jesus warned us He's coming AFTER that false one. Please DO NOT BE DECEIVED. PLEASE WAKE UP!
The Tribulation is for the Jews, AKA Jacobs (Israel) Trouble. The period of seven years in which Jesus deals with the unbelieving Jews. Only 1/3 of the Jews will come to faith in Jesus.
Thank you for doing the work to put this here. I just can’t do it anymore. Sad that so many may fall away from the faith because of these end time delusions. God bless you.
@@jackiegreen3444 Thank you for that, it is appreciated. Yes, I hear ya. I’m female and in my 60’s and have never seen such a time as this. I think the biggest wake up call to Christian’s should be when a man can now just ‘say’ he’s now a woman and can go into women’s restrooms, locker rooms, compete against women in sports, have special rights and laws, and on and on. It’s nothing but demonic insanity! There are so many deceived, but we are so, so close. It’s heartbreaking how many have blinders on and believe the lies of false preachers and even UA-camrs that call themselves prophets. Plus, there are many more out there deceiving than even back when I got so tired of hearing their lies, that I wrote this out. I could have added even more verses regarding it. The word of God is full of them. If we haven’t taken our last breath before the troubled times of the end, we have to be stronger in our faith more than ever before. Many will probably blame Christ before they’ll blame the liars, when they aren’t raptured away before that time. May God bless you always. 🙏
The problem is, the " Darby doctrin" wasn't Darbys. The pre nicene church father's widely taught the pre tribulation (harpodzo) ie " being caught up". Here's a shocker! There is more than one rapture! WOW! And here is another shocker! The 1 Thessalonians rapture is not the same event as the Matthew 24 rapture! It is not consistent with God's character to punish the righteous along with the lost! The whole purpose for the tribulation is to bring the lost to repentance. The church doesn't need to be tested or brought to repentance! See Revalations 3:10. This guy and John Rich are wrong! The church is not Isreal and we are not in the tribulation now! The tribulation doesn't start until " the restrainer is removed!!!
We are spared from the wrath of God which is His judgment on all unbelievers whe He Returns not the Tribulation! No one is saying that the Rapture isn't Biblical, a pre-trib Rapture isn't, that's the point. When does the Rapture occur??? When Jesus ACTUALLY RETURNS!!! Follow the Text!! Matthew 24:29-31 [29]“Immediately after the distress of those days “ ‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’ [30]“Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. [31]And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and THEY WILL GATHER HIS ELECT FROM THE FOUR WINDS, from one end of the heavens to the other.
🙏 THE LORD’S PRAYER 🙏 Matthew 6:9-13 - After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen. King James Version. ✝️
I find it HILARIOUS that people immediately go to that from 200 years ago... its awful. The fact that people are taking what John Rich says when its clear he is a servant of the world. He doesn't use his power and platform to stand up WHOLLY for the gospel. To insult the Christian to assume they are stupid when Jesus spoke of the rapture, Paul spoke of it and clearly John did as well. If one doesn't support the pre-trib then i ask you to study two points - 1. The difference between the OT Saints, TRIB SAINTS, and the Church because NOT ALL SAINTS are the Church. There is a difference. there are time lines of how God works according to the scriptures starting back in Genesis. Those points need to be carefully examined as well. 2. What is the purpose of the Tribulation? That needs to be examined. The Bride is set apart from the Saints as the first-fruits - We make up the 'body' of Christ and that which the body has already suffered the wrath of God, the tribulation of life Eph 5:22,23; Rom 7:4; 2 Cor 11:2; James 4:4. The Tribulation is the wrath of God on sin. In the eyes of the LORD, His Church has already sufferd because when He sees the BODY, he see's Christ, because of the perfect blood (1 These 5:9, Rev 3:10. This does not apply to the church of Lodecea -the apostate church, and then clearly Thyatira will go as it states in the body of the reference. This is a rough demonstration but what we do know is, everyone goes to Darby and that excuse is warn out. Ask yourself the the difference between the Trib, OT saints and the BRIDE, and what the purpose of the trib is for. It is not for the CHURCH. I can't imagine Jesus saying, ok.. I want you to marry me, I'm going away to prepare you a home, Father is coming to beat the crap out of you and THEN we will get married.. NO. one more thing.. if you wanna take a look at tired out Darby and the Schofield Bible.. take at look at all the others too. Heres the furthest back in history i could find except for Jesus, Paul and John.. --------- By EPHRAIM of NISBIS (306-373) He was a Christian teacher who taught the catching up of the Bride as well - "For all the saints and the Elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins --This was written from one of his sermons entitled On the Last Times, the Antichrist and the End of the World. He was a teacher is the Easter part of the world as the Western part was considerably modern at that the time. If you read in REV, you will see the Lampstands are the Church Rev 3:10; 24 elders represent the redeemed of God (the Bride). John Rich, i loved him when i was in the world.. But i am NOT going to go to someone who has one foot in the world and the 'appearance' of one foot out and let that seal the deal on the very unpopular believe of the PreTrib rapture. He is a worldly man who still lives in the world with a little bit of head knowledge. He use no scripture to back it up. Tucker, (love him) but he is of the LDS/Mormon faith so he is not the soundboard to be having this conversation with. Its like watching two unbelievers groan about what the LORD said and never open the scriptures. MARANATHA to the Church, have your lamps lit, and be ready, the KING IS COMING for HIS Church!
We are spared from the wrath of God, which is His judgment on all unbelievers when He Returns, not the Tribulation! The Tribulation and the wrath of God are 2 separate events. No one is saying that the Rapture isn't Biblical, a pre-trib Rapture isn't, that's the point. The Rapture verses are always connected to the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, not beforehand! 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 [15]For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. [16]For the LORD HIMSELF WILL DESCEND FROM HEAVEN with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the DEAD IN CHRIST WILL RISE first. [17]Then WE who are ALIVE and REMAIN will be CAUGHT UP(RAPTURED) together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. 1 Corinthians 15:50-53 [50]Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. [51]Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, [52]in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMPET; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. [53]For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality. Revelation 11:15-18 confirms when the last trumpet sounds. This last - seventh - trumpet announces the coming of Christ, the establishment of God's Kingdom, the judgment upon the nations, and the rewarding of the saints. They occur simultaneously! The last trumpet sounds when Christ returns, not 3½ years before! When does the Rapture occur? When Jesus ACTUALLY RETURNS, AT THE LAST TRUMPET! Follow the Text!! Matthew 24:29-31 [29]“Immediately AFTER the TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS “ ‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’ [30]“Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. [31]And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and THEY WILL GATHER UP(Raptured/Caught Up) HIS ELECT FROM THE FOUR WINDS, from one end of the heavens to the other.
@@giannihatzianmevris1861 20 Come, my people, enter your chambers, and shut your doors behind you; hide yourselves for a little while until the fury has passed by. 21 For behold, the LORD is coming out from his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity, and the earth will disclose the blood shed on it, and will no more cover its slain. Isaiah 26:20-21
For those That Believe in a Pre Tribulation Rapture. I 🙏 ypur right.I dont however Believe Scriptures back that up,but Do Believe it tells us the opposite.Were here till the 2nd coming n must endure till the end. Matthew 24
@@thomasschiro7755 Have n have reread it . Niether vs there IMHO or believe n I have asked the Lord to show me if wrong before. Deal with the Pre Or Middle Tribulation Rapture. Paul in These is reaffirming the 2nd coming Jesus mentions in Matthew 24. Rev vs is letting the Church of Philadelphia know they will be protected when the Tribulation n Judgement day comes.Not that its members won't be on earth during it. No where in God's Word have I seen yet where it says Before That Day or During that time of Tribulation..Believers will be called up in the clouds after those in the earth n seas are .. I have read as in Matthew 24 n the above That Occurs with the Jesus return 2nd coming. Irregardless the most important thing is To make sure ones Salvation N Be Ready. To be steadfast in faith n not faulter. Weather or not we pass before or still here when HE Comes Again. That time is close Close.
Revelation 3:10 10 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth. Tereo ek tay-reh'-o Verb NAS Word Usage - Total: 71 1. to attend to carefully, take care of a. to guard b. metaph. to keep, one in the state in which he is c. to observe d. to reserve: to undergo something Ek ek Preposition NAS Word Usage - Total: 62 1. out of, from, by, away from harpazō 1) to seize, carry off by force 2) to seize on, claim for one' s self eagerly 3) to snatch out or away
I wasn’t aware that John Rich was a trained theologian. I prefer to listen to people who have had extensive training and experience. Even the first century church fathers who studied directly under apostles such as John, believed in a rapture event. If I wanted to listen to a country western song, then I’d turn my ears over to John Rich.
He’s absolutely right! John Rich knows his Bible better than most ministers. Escape Theology is not Biblical! Preach it Brother Rich! I used to believe in a rapture apart from the 2nd Coming… then I read my Bible. It’s not there. It’s a heresy.
The Rapture will take place and born again Believers will be taken up. Then comes the Great Tribulation( seven years) on earth. Many will be saved during this time and many will die for their faith. The Tribulation will end when Christ returns to earth.
2 Timothy 4:8 "There is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day; and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing."
My question is the one that so many have......at the second coming it says, it will be as the time of Noah, everyone will be going on about their normal lives, marrying, giving in marriage, doing this doing that, just living normal lives and then.....Bam, the twinkling of eye everything will change.....That is what perplexes me. There is no way that this could be possible at the end. There won't be peace at that time.....how could there be?... I do not think that people will be concerned with getting married and living a long productive life together. This is why people interpret it this fashion....well, one of the reasons.
The ones removed will be the wicked. God tells us the believers will never be removed from the Earth. Proverbs 10:30 The righteous shall never be removed: But the wicked shall not inhabit the earth. The mouth of the just bringeth forth wisdom: But the froward tongue shall be cut out. The lips of the righteous know what is acceptable: But the mouth of the wicked speaketh frowardness.
What are you going to do with the body of Christ who have only read and studied the KJV and know that there is a rapture that's going to happen before the great tribulation?
Mr. Rich mentions “when Christ returns…” and says nothing about Him “appearing in the clouds”. Scripture seems to delineate between His appearing in the clouds (to catch us up), and coming back WITH us accompanying Him for War! Yes, we who are here are suffering even now, but I believe it is those who come to Christ during the Tribulation period who suffer martyrdom. Even so, to live is Christ, and to die is gain!👐 remember: The enemy thrives on these divisive arguments…🙋🏼♀️MARANATHA❣️🕊
This has probably been the hardest thing for me to get past coming out of the evangelical church background. I’m thankful to be in a Lutheran church now and beginning to better understand the scriptures.
I’m thankful that your understanding is getting better. Praise Jesus!
@@TyrelBramwell Do You believe OSAS Y,,OR N
I fully believe John Rich here.. For roughly 1800 years, the church never believed in the “pre tribulation “ rapture. Look at all the reformers as well, from Luther, Calvin, Melanchthon, Knox.. etc.. they all believed that the church would be persecuted by Antichrist, and would ultimately be delivered by Christ at his 2nd coming, to meet him in the air, and simultaneously descend to the earth in triumph with Christ’ in his glory.
@@Afc70 I’d like to point out that the church is very imperfect and we have let the doctrines of men make null the word of God for thousands of years … i could go on for an hour about all the cessation doctrine in most of our churches that scripture absolutely do NOT validate whatsoever … let’s stick with scripture .. over men’s imperfect understanding
You're a coward and a punk for deleting comments...
Anyone read Revelation? The second coming is not rapture. We are protected by Jesus as believers.
Correct. One must study God's Word to understand it clearly. Paul's encouragement to Timothy in 2 Timothy 2:15 "Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."
It doesn’t matter anyway because he defeated death … so if you believe that you will live again.
@sreed7637 Sorry, but it does matter! If you say that Jesus is your Savior, that in itself does not get you into heaven. You need to believe in your heart that Jesus died for your salvation. The Rapture doctrine is a lie just as thinking your saved but Jesus isn't in your heart or your action of the way you live.
The best option is to study the Book of Revelation rather than simply reading it. It is an apocalyptic epistle loaded with symbols, making it difficult to interpret. I suggest studying 1 Corinthians 15 for a simpler chronology of the events leading to the return of the Lord Jesus Christ.
In 2 Thessalonians 1, the Apostle Paul clearly presents the coming of the Lord Jesus and "our gathering together with Him" as one event. The above-given Scripture passages are suggested to help us understand the Book of Revelation more. God never contradicts Himself. May we also learn to let Scripture speak for itself and form our system of belief (theology and eschatology), not the other way around. Thank you.
*The rapture of the church and the second coming of Christ are two entirely different events. The rapture is when the Lord meets us in the air to take us to Heaven for the 7 year Marriage Supper of the Lamb while concurrently the Anti-Christ takes over the world because the Restrainer (Holy Spirit) has been taken away. The Son of Perdition (satan incarnate) is revealed half way through the Great Tribulation at the 3 1/2 year mark when he causes the Daily Sacrifice to cease and sits in the Temple declaring himself to be God. At that point, the Jews flee into the wilderness to the place that God has prepared for them. The Second Coming is after the 7 years when the Lord comes to establish His 1000 year reign in Jerusalem on the beautiful Flat Earth with us.*
I have never read a Schofield Bible, but I have read the Bible for 87 years. Jesus said If I go away, I will come again and receive you unto myself that where I am you will be also.”
He also said “pray always, that you may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.”
I am looking for Jesus. He has not appointed us unto wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ.”
1 Thessalonians 4:15 .....
"For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep."
Tells everybody right there that Christians will be on Earth when Jesus Returns.
Jesus also so prayed for his disciples and those who would believe on their testimony John 17:9-21. Jesus prayed God wold not take them out of the world but keep them from the evil. God's witnesses are always in the world and some of them go through hard times. The test the devil brings on people is not the wrath of God. In Daniel 11:32-35 the text identifies people who will be here on teaching people during the time of the Antichrist. Revelation 7:9-17 reveals an uncountable number of people who go through the tribulation and wash their robes in the blood of the Lamb during their trials in the tribulation. It is their test of faith. It is not God who tests them. Revelation 3:7-13 is about the Philadelphia church it represents 14>28% of the Revelation churches. It is the only church the Lord tells "because they have kept the word of his patience that he will keep them in the hour of temptation that will come upon the whole world." God kept the Hebrew Children in the land of Goshen during the last several plagues the Egyptians went through and they were safe. Moses guided the Hebrew children across the dead sea then watched as the wrath of God took out pharaoh's all in the sight of the Hebrew children.
Noah spent a hundred plus years building the ark but he stayed safe in the world. Lot was removed from his home to an area not so far away but was told to not look back. Matthew 24:29-31 says that Jesus will show his sign of his return after the tribulation of those days and the peoples of the earth will mourn at the sign of his coming. It will only be a surprise that he really is coming but the whole world will know and not be ready. Mean while the Lord will be free to pour his wrath on the wicked and he will restructure the face of the earth. Zechariah 14:16-19 says people will survive the return of the Lord who are not "Christian" at heart. It will not be the end of the earth but Jesus does say it is regenerated in Matthew 19:38. Jesus returns to Jerusalem. He only needs to reach out his hand like he did for Moses and all the peoples of the world who are his will not be harmed. He knows how to take care of his own. Still they will be perilous times and many will die before the Lord returns. Most of them will not be Christians though the devil will kill as many of them as he can. Every war has it's casualties and it's survivors. Jesus says there will be wars and rumors of wars before he returns. We don't need doctrines to make chickens out of us. We need faith to make us steadfast for God. Let's pray about that.
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NO IT DOES NOT.
You are following the doctrine of men...not Scriptural CONTEXT from God. Even several early church fathers taught Pre-trib Rapture.
1 Thessalonians 4:15-18
"¹⁵ For this we say unto you by the Word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. ¹⁶For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the DEAD IN CHRIST WILL RISE FIRST: ¹⁷THEN WE which are ALIVE and REMAIN shall be CAUGHT UP TOGETHER WITH THEM in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we EVER be with the Lord. ¹⁸Wherefore comfort one another with these words."
God's elect are in Heaven (as the 24 elders) when Jesus opens the first seal.
It is my belief that this doctrine of Rapture is only made available to God's elect. Those who cannot grasp the Harpazo/Rapture/catching away doctrine are destined for The Tribulation and thus, IF THEY IN FACT OVERCOME the worship of and the Mark of the Beast, they will become the Tribulation Saint martyrs.
It's not too late.
Luke 21:36
"³⁶WATCH ye therefore, and PRAY always, THAT YE MAY BE COUNTED WORTHY TO ESCAPE all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."
THIS IS NOT THE SECOND COMING.
Very few human beings will survive the Tribulation.
FURTHER, at the Second Coming, THE ENTIRE WORLD WILL SEE JESUS and his elect (the Raptured) ARRIVE ON HORSEBACK @ Armageddon.
Putting eschatological differences aside..the real question is are you willing to suffer and die for Christ if you had to? Then you'll see where people's heart is at.
As Christians, we die daily. We die to self centeredness, pride, worldliness. We may hold our tongue instead of returning hateful words to someone who has been rude to us. We hold our tongue and do not gossip, We do not choose to return evil for evil .
Amen! That's where the rubber really meets the road! Computer couch critics aren't worth a spit until the test comes knocking on their personal door. Then, and only then, can we know what we're all truly made of...character or cowardice. I'm more than willing to die for Jesus. I cannot wait to get off this prison planet and be in my real Home!
To Sacrifice is the Noblest of all Virtues
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Agreed.
In fact our water baptism is exactly that. We are joined to Christ in His death, His burial, His resurrection to new Life in Him.
Death to the old life.
Life in Him.
Was just reflecting on Romans 7:4 earlier this morning.
Jesus says we are to "take up our cross daily".
If we count ourselves truly dead to sin and alive to God (Roman 6:11) then we are or should see ourselves as ready martyrs for Jesus.
Jesus made it plain in Luke that we cannot be His disciple unless we daily take our cross as we follow Jesus. It is living a life of surrender, and daily re affirming it.
Blessings in Jesus.
We don’t have to suffer, Jesus did that for us on the cross so that we could have eternal life with Him.
“Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.” (Rev 3:10)
Amen! Keep you from, not through🥰
Yes and AMEN!
And who will be kept from the hour of trial? ,,,,,,, by scripture
Bingo!
@@tuppatubeNo. Absolutely not. Only those who obeyed will be kept from that mess. Jesus specifically prayed to the Father that His followers not be taken out of the world.
God has been calling His people to come out for decades and maybe 1 in 10,000 obeyed.
Read Jeremiah 51:1-2. This is for most "Christians". You will have to die in the great tribulation without denying Christ to get your white robe. Revelation 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Dont focus on the rapture, focus on Jesus
Yes focus on JESUS
Amen and Amen
Focusing on Jesus does end up on the rapture.
"Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come."
Math 24:42
@@karl7796 I find that to be in great error. Christ Jesus never spoke one word about the so called rapture only His return. Never a word about coming back 2 times. He did leave us with this. Mat. 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
focus? what do you mean
Remember the " if i were the devil" story by Paul Harvey? Well, if i were the devil i would come up with a plan, lace it with scripture, convince some preacher to preach it and thus convincing millions of people nothing bad will happen. Facing the worst time in human history no preperation is necessary. Its time to build your ark!!
Jesus is the Ark. If we are in Him, we are ASSURED of Salvation from the Judgment to come. Fear not!
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Amen He is our Ark as Deliverer!
Normal isn't returning He is!
Get our "house/ark" in order,
working out your salvation,
never stop praying.
If you’re Noah, build an Ark and go through the flood If you’re Enoch, walk with God and don’t go through the flood. Read the Bible.
What your saying sounds works based.
Great thing to use an analogy! If I were the devil I would do something to cause people to depend on their own endurance thereby injecting self-righteousness into the salvation equation hoping to create the eternal victims of MATT 7:21-23.
The pretrib rapture is a virtual guarantee.
READ YOUR BIBLE
Preferably the KJV! It hasn’t been Changed like all the new translations! Even to the point of taking out several verses from One Place!
@@sherryblanton2029It hasn't been changed as much, but they still had their grubby hands in it. Just pray for the Holy Spirit to teach you HIS truth!! !
Best advice!
@sherryblanton2029 the KJV has verses that were changed.
ESV was translated from the oldest known ancient Hebrew and Greek scrolls. And they let you know every word/verse that can't be confirmed because all the ancient scrolls were damaged in those places.
The best Bible would be the Geneva, because it's older than the kjv.
Noah was removed before God's wrath. Lot was removed before God’s wrath. We will be persecuted by the wrath of man, but removed before the wrath of God. God said Himself, that we will not suffer His wrath
Noah survived because he followed God's instructions and built the ark and lived through the flood that destroyed the world. Lot was saved by two angels who literally had to drag him out of his house...but he was witness to God's terrible destructive fury after it had happened. His own wife looked back, and become a pillar of salt. They were saved by their faith and favor with God, but they were witness to God's fury. Their testimony brings others to faith. Many who don't believe now, will come to faith when the plague to come only affects non believers. The lambs blood on the door of the Hebrews caused the plagues of Egypt to pass over them. And so too, will the blood of the Lamb of God cause the wrath of the Most High to pass over us during the tribulation. But many will say, the Groom is late...and fall from faith. But the Groom is not late, HE never makes mistakes. We must keep the oil in our lamps lit till the end.
@@Raistlin222 I agree with you.
Well said.
@@Raistlin222amen
God removed the evil ones,but the earth still stands.the coming of the son of man,will be like the days of Noah,no one was rapture in Noah days,God only remove the evil ones from the face of the earth,and left the righteous
Revelation 3:10, buddy. Read it. The great “snatching away” of Christ’s bride will occur before the tribulation because God will “keep us from the hour of trial that is coming to all who dwell on the earth.”
If anybody lacks wisdom let them ask God and he will surely give it to you in abundance
Most of the time, all we need to do is to read and accept what is clearly written in the Holy Bible! Jesus and His disciples taught the rapture doctrine. There are eight very clear examples of the rapture happening within the Scriptures, which are much older than John Darby.... Tyrel is a false teacher!
@skywatcher6864 that's not true. There is not one verse. Provide one or stop with the false accusations.
@@mimilovesjesus1307 James 1:5, is good news not false accusation I’m sorry if you took it that way. I will provide The verses and where I thought you were asking for help
@KingJesus101 my comment was to skywatcher, but by all means if you have a pretrib verse post it.
@@skywatcher6864 the rapture of the church is biblical, but a secret pre trib rapture isn't biblical
This is one of those issues that just causes unnecessary division. The end times will play out the way they will and you wont get any bonus points for being the one who was right. Right now we are just supposed to love each other and spread the gospel.
Your response is not Biblical
I agree with your statement, but I believe the truth in love is love. It might cause some division, but I have seen the Most High work in people the most in those times and we are to rejoice, because He is working it out!
This is serious . I need to know and be ready for the Lord. Like the 5 wise virgins. Make sure my lamp is full of oil
@@Antiguanian it does not even make sense Schofield or Derbe or what. My Bible says it not study Bible. Jesus coming for me.
@@ElsaVandermerwe-it2bbkeep your lamp lit 🔥 The Holy Spirit woke me up a year and a half ago to the truth and I’ve been sounding the alarm ever since! Jesus IS coming for His church SOON!!!✝️🙏👆
I honestly don't know what to believe. I've been raised and taught that the rapture will happen, but this isn't the first time I've seen that the rapture may not be true. Two things about this... I'm almost hoping there isn't a rapture because I want to be around to help my unsaved children through the tribulation. I'd rather go through all the tribulation, but be here on Earth to help my family, than to watch helplessly from Heaven. But either way, one thing I know for certain... We need to be ready! Every second of every day, we need to be ready! We can't slack off. God must come first. He is the Great I Am. The Alpha and Omega.
If you are Raptured you will not be watching from Heaven. The Bible tells us we will experience no sadness, no pain.
John 17:15 I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one.
2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Jesus says he is the same as he was and will be always. Look at Noah, Lot, the Jews under the reign of Pharoah where they put blood on their doors.
We are promised the resurrection, that is the good news, the blessed hope, but it will happen "on the last day". The Bible teaches that. Your heart is in the right place. We must be prepared to not only help those we love, but to help the Jews during their time of trouble. If we want to be prepared we must be in the Word of God. We must feed ourselves on the Word of God, and abide in Christ. That is how we prepare for the coming trouble and persecution. Jesus calls us to follow Him to the cross.
Please read Matthew 24, where Jesus lays it all out. "But the one who endures to the end, he will be saved." Matthew 24:13
The Rapture will take place just as God's Word says that it will. Trust God's Word.
The rapture doesn’t exist. It was made up
I'm looking forward to this:😀
John 14: 1-3 " Do not let your hearts be troubled.
Trust in God; trust also in me. In my Father's house are many rooms : if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am."
Now that's a blessed hope!
He already came back for them- in 70AD!
@@BenPat88 You can't be serious! If that is true, then He should still be here. Where is he, Ben? Jesus warned against such a deception in Mt. 24: 4, 5, 23, 24: "...Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many...Then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christ, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect."
@@skywatcher6864 dude you are deceived by what you WANT and have been TAUGHT your whole life, not judging based on what the Bible says! You can’t cherry pick Matthew 24 out of context- Jesus said it would happen IN THAT GENERATION! Don’t believe me, but I hope you will believe the Messiah!
@@BenPat88 Do you really believe that? For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, NO, NOR EVER SHALL BE. (Matthew 24:21) Do you think the temple being destroyed and one million Jews taken as slaves in 70AD can even compare to WW2 when 6 million slaughtered in the holocaust, two atom bombs dropped and more than 20 MILLION killed?. AND THEN verse 22: And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. in 70AD? Don't be ridiculous.
The generation Jesus was talking about was the FINAL generation. They asked him what will be the sign of thy coming and the END of the world? Was 70AD the end of the world? When he said THAT GENERATION, (NOT this generation), he was talking about the final generation. As a matter of fact, NONE of those things he spoke about took place before 70AD Kingdom rising against Kingdom, and Nation against nation, etc, the abomination of desolation, the gospel of the kingdom preached in ALL the world (verse 14) All of those things AND MORE happened before 70AD? Give me a break.
@@BenPat88If Jesus came the 2nd time as you said in Matt 24, there where is any historical documents, that people disappeared as stated in Matt24:40 ??? And, who was the Antichrist back then? What was the mark of the beast back then? And how did the evil people control the money, which stopped people from buying and selling back then? There should be some people who wrote a about all these events. Let us know those written events from that generation . Thanks.
We can only be ready, be prepared, He will cover us under His wings whatever comes.Harpazo ready..hallelujah
I don't know... whatever comes from the sky, might want to check first to make sure it's not aliens.
@lindawinner498
Your right... Only 144k as far as I can tell... Out of like what?? 7to9 billion?
@lindawinner498 He will have full reign, but not the ultimate victory. There is a huge difference between the two. Scripture declares there will be a remnant of believers (Jews & Gentiles) that will come thought the G.T.
@lindawinner498
Those who are left behind.
@@timspiker
Aliens are unclean demonic spirits. If you belong to Jesus Christ, you don't have to be afraid of any other creature.
In the rapture Christians will meet the Lord in the air. Christ will keep his church from the hour.... In the second coming, Christians will return with the Lord to the earth to reign for 1000 years. Those of you who want to be around during the tribulation period, I hope the Lord grants your wish. Good luck with that!
Amen....I myself is aligned with his words.....I can't wait to sit with the most Just God and Judge he will have the last word on all his will be done....I'm excited the evil doers will have their day......not everyone knows him they merely know the name God.....the sheep know the Shepherds voice....prayers to all
IN THE AIR MEANS IN THE SPIRIT. THE FLESH IS NOT ABLE TO ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD, JESUS. THE FLESH IS NOTHING BUT A FILTHY RAG. FIRST COMING JESUS CAME AS THE MESSIAH, THE SECOND COMING HE LIVES IN US AS GOD WITH US. WHEN OUR END OF THE AGE, OUR AGE, HE WILL RAISE US AND TAKE US HOME ALIVE IN OUR SLEEP, IN THE SPIRIT, AIR.
@@DianaBASSETT-zh3vc Jesus wasn't a filthy rag....and he will not be taking his children as they sleep only the dead are asleep....when it comes as Spirit he will take his children's Spirit rather walking, driving, asleep, working, swimming, running or whatever that child is doing when he comes. Prayers
We are spared from the wrath of God, which is His judgment on all unbelievers when He Returns, not the Tribulation! The Tribulation and the wrath of God are 2 separate events. No one is saying that the Rapture isn't Biblical, a pre-trib Rapture isn't, that's the point. The Rapture verses are always connected to the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, not beforehand!
1 Thessalonians 4:15-17
[15]For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep.
[16]For the LORD HIMSELF WILL DESCEND FROM HEAVEN with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the DEAD IN CHRIST WILL RISE first.
[17]Then WE who are ALIVE and REMAIN will be CAUGHT UP(RAPTURED) together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.
1 Corinthians 15:50-53
[50]Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
[51]Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed,
[52]in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMPET; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
[53]For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality.
Revelation 11:15-18 confirms when the last trumpet sounds. This last - seventh - trumpet announces the coming of Christ, the establishment of God's Kingdom, the judgment upon the nations, and the rewarding of the saints. They occur simultaneously! The last trumpet sounds when Christ returns, not 3½ years before!
When does the Rapture occur??? When Jesus ACTUALLY RETURNS, AT THE LAST TRUMPET!
Follow the Text!!
Matthew 24:29-31
[29]“Immediately AFTER the TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS
“ ‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’
[30]“Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.
[31]And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and THEY WILL GATHER UP(Raptured/Caught Up) HIS ELECT FROM THE FOUR WINDS, from one end of the heavens to the other.
@BrunoMCDowell: I am in complete agreement with your shortened version of the Second Coming. But the last two lines should never have been written. It showed a snarky unkindness that is contrary to your Christian love for others.
If someone ever says God don’t talk to you or give you something that wrong . God talks to me all the time . twice this happened in my lifetime. My daughter was in a very bad car wreck. I asked what can I do in Jesus name out of my mouth I spoke Crystal arise in Jesus name, my dog was found dead on my kitchen floor. His tongue was hanging out of his mouth. He was lifeless. I said Cody come back to me. In Jesus name he started gurgling and breathing. That is the God I serve. I serve no other the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. .
THEY don't know how to listen
I love your Faith in Lord Jesus Christ, sister. Thank you for this witness of the one that died for our sins, Lord Jesus Christ Crucified!
BY FAITH YOU ARE HEALED. GOD DOESNT THROW HIS PEARLS BEFORE SWINE.
I have been studying the bible for over 40 years, and for many years I couldn't make up my mind about the pre-trib rapture one way or another, but what finally convinced me, that few people EVER even mention, is that the apostle John experienced the PRE-TRIBULATION rapture himself in chapter four of the book of Revelation!
In the first three chapters of the book of Revelation, both the church and churches are mentioned twenty times. But then In chapter four John tells us that a door is opened in heaven, he hears the sound of a trumpet, and a voice "COME UP HITHER', then, John says IMMEDIATELY (In a moment in the twinkling of an eye), I was in the spirit (Rev 4:2) The apostle John was brought up into our present time and experienced the future PRE-TRIB rapture himself! From that point on, from chapter 4 through 19, it describes the Great Tribulation and the words church, churches or Christians are NEVER mentioned again. Where are they? Where did they all go? In the first three chapters the churches are mentioned over and over again. But in the next 15 chapters you can't find the words church, churches or Christians mentioned ONCE! Then, In the last three chapters, 20 - 22 it describes the millennium, the new heaven, the new earth and eternity.
In Revelation 4:1 & 2, you have ALL of the elements of the rapture that is described in 1 Corinthians 15:49-52 & 1 Thess 4:15,16. - You have a voice. You have a trumpet. You have a calling up, and you have a change into a spiritual condition that occurs immediately, or in a moment in the twinkling of an eye. Not only that, 1 Thess. 4:18 reads: For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. wherefore COMFORT ONE ANOTHER WITH THESE WORDS. However, if there is no pre-trib rapture, Christians may possibly experience two world wars, the battle of Armageddon, a chance that we may take the mark of the beast & dozens of other horrors - Therefore, comfort one another with THESE words? Moreover, In Revelation 6:15,16 it reads: that EVERY bondman & EVERY freeman (which would include everyone on earth), hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains and said to the mountains and rocks “”FALL ON US AND HIDE US FROM THE FACE OF HIM THAT SITTETH ON THE THRONE, AND FROM THE WRATH OF THE LAMB”” Aren’t we Christians supposed to look for the coming of our Lord Jesus with hope? “”Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ.”” (Titus 2:13). But then, when we see his glorious appearance, we’re going to hide from him and HOPE that the mountains and rocks fall on us? What kind of a hope is that?
At the rapture Jesus arrives in the air (i Thess 4:16,17). At the end of the tribulation our LORD lands on the ground. (Joel 2; Isa, 2; Rev 5:10, 14, 19). The bible also says: He commeth WITH the ten thousands of His saints. (Jude 1:14). The raptured saints will return with the LORD on white horses. Now I believe that there will be Tribulation saints; however, they will be Jews and gentiles whose salvation will be based on faith PLUS works, and how those gentiles treat God's people - the Jews. During the tribulation period, salvation will no longer be based on grace alone. (See Rev 12:17 & 14:12)
For those that argue against the pre-trib rapture quoting Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21, who was Jesus speaking to? First of all he was talking to the Jews! There was not one born-again bible believing Christian in the bunch, NOT ONE! Moreover, in Matthew 24, which they so often quote to disprove the pre-rib rapture, what does it say in verse 31? It says that he will send his angels and gather his elect from one end of HEAVEN to the other, not off the earth. His elect are already IN heaven, and those saints are returning WITH Him.
Finally, It is not true that the Rapture was first taught by Darby, which many post-trib, post-millennium & A-millennium people claim. For in addition to both John and Paul writing about it in the bible, it was taught by many of the early church fathers including Iraneus in 170 A.D. It was also taught by Ephraem the Syrian more than 1,500 years ago! He wrote: ‘For all the saints and the elect of God are gathered PRIOR to the tribulation that is to come and are taken to the LORD lest they see the confusion that is to overcome the world because of our sins.” That is a fourth century A.D. letter ascribed to Ephraem Syrus (A.D. 306 to 373) from a sermon on “The Last Times, the Antichrist, and the End of the world.” Recently, scholars have been discovering more and more of these ancient Greek texts by the early church fathers proclaiming the pre-trib rapture. Many of these texts had never been translated into English before now.
@@kjvnews8326 sorry but that's not proper interpretation, you're adding to the word and we all know what the book of revelation says about adding or taking away from this book.
Plus John came back to Earth after being taken. He was walking around but not raptured. Raptured according to dispensationalists means the pre tribulation. Well John seems to write about the things to come but not an actual rapture.
@@Perseverance4477 Or...could it be you lack understanding and interpretation?
Thank you. You're absolutely right! It's very frustrating when people 'blame' Darby for the Pre trib Rapture without bothering to go back further. It was taught by the early church fathers & many others before being 'buried' in the dark ages (unsurprisingly). I have no idea why people love to quarrel about it when it obviously doesn't determine salvation. I refuse to engage in any debate with these Christians because that's what they want - it's all they want, sadly. Maranatha!
@@SENOR_DavidIt was a 'type' of the Rapture. Maranatha!
I have a Holy Bible at home. It was printed in 1854.
It contains the scriptures for the ‘Catching Away’, renamed ‘The Rapture’.
I believe in the catching away of the saints of GOD, because our Heavenly Father is Merciful, loving and caring unto His own children and JESUS is Merciful and Faithful and Loving to His Bride (The church).
Amen
Jesus is not a religion, but The Way, The Truth and The Life, PERIOD! It is what Lord Jesus did for us and not about our works, but Lord Jesus works that is going to save us!
NOT A RELIGION, ITS A RELATIONSHIP WITH JESUS!!!
The word rapture is not in the Bible, the kingdom of God does not come in observation ,the kingdom of God is within you, the second coming is the holy Spirit which Jesus Christ promise us
@@DanielGonzalez-si1rd The word Rapture is not in the Bible, but the word caught up is, which explains Jesus saying we or His Bride, which we are is the one He is talking too, that will be caught up into the sky, which is the rapture in English understanding He will take us out of here so He can destroy this earth and set up the 1,000 year reign for the ones that got saved after the rapture.
Lord Jesus went on the cross to die for our sins and that is what we are believing on His Faith that His works of the finished work of Christ on the cross is for us, so we wouldn't have to do the works of the crucifixion, because His blood sacrifice was the only shedding of blood that could save us and turn us white as snow.
Then we will be riding behind Jesus when he comes back to Judge at the end of time, the 1,000-year reign and put the devil and Satan and all the antichrist ones that would never come to belief in the finished works of Christ on the cross to pay for the wages of sin for us and they will be going to the pit of hell for not believing in Lord Jesus Christ being God.
Satan wanted to be God, and he will be burnt up because of his pride, which Lord Jesus warned that PRIDE will go before the fall. Like Gay PRIDE is going to put all of them in the pit of Hell, if they don't repent and turn from their sins and ask Jesus for His salvation forgiveness.
Repent and turn from sin and let The Holy Spirit save you, just ask Lord Jesus if I am right and he will tell you by putting it on your heart that Jesus died for us so we wouldn't have to go to Hell and instead go to Heaven with Him. God Bless!
Amen a reply to you you are so right you said the absolute truth!
Yes!
I grew up Lutheran. Went to Lutheran school too. I was very lukewarm my entire life until I almost lost my son 6 years ago.. Soon after I started going to a chapter by chapter verse by verse church & I learned about the rapture. LUKE 21,Esther, Jacob Leah & Rachel, Lot, typology all through the bible really...
I still had my doubts but I drew close to the Lord & trusted Him with my son, then ALL areas of my life. Jesus & the early church apostles taught the rapture. Great videos on it by Lee Brainard. I was convinced & began to study eschatology almost daily...
Then, I had a vision of being raptured earlier this year. I can't explain to you the complete peace & total joy I experienced!!
Not here to convince you just warn you. Don't be lukewarm. Don't be Lot's wife. Don't love the world or the things in it.. You will NOT be taken out before God's judgement starts if you are living in unrepentant sin. Saved doesn't = raptured. Most of you don't even believe in OSAS or a rapture. Look at Laodicea being vomited out of Christ's mouth... Ask the Holy Spirit to show you. Time is short.
Maranatha!!
No
Agreed. The rapture will come and those chosen will go.
@disciplesofJesusChrist AMEN!!!
So Luke 17 has no meaning? You know, the book written before the "Schofield Bible", like around 60-80AD. The problem with denominational doctrines is it's the become the doctrines of Devils! I'm this or I'm part of that church, because this guy knows the word and we follow His teaching, but are you Christ's Church and do you follow His teachings? That doctrine that he says, was His that sent me? The Father's Doctrine. There's one doctrine, one Jesus and only one church? Who's teaching you, the Holy Spirit, or some guy that started his own denomination?
@@seanvanwie6415Every single word is relevant in the Bible. I don't adhere to a denominational church. I go to a non-denominational church actually. I do however study God's word and don't presume to know it all. I am aware of when and how it came to be, but thank you for adding that info for others. I can only assume you were giving reference to Luke 17:20-26. Those verses are given in reference to Christ's second coming not the "snatching" away of His church. Please read in its entirety 1 Thes. 4:15-18, 1 Cor 15:51-58 & John 14. Revelation is written in 3 parts. Things that were,are and will be. Luke 17 refers to Rev.19 Christ's second coming. The church is mentioned in Rev 1,2,3&4 and doesn't get mentioned again till Rev 19. Study to show yourself approved. Let the Holy Spirit show you. Pray for the next however long you want and wait to hear His answer. He will illustrate His word to you in TRUTH not man's lies. This is a lie that is being led by 1 Devil not devil's and his demons. We can agree to disagree.
John is totally right.
Clearly in God's word Jesus gathering His church is a separate event than the second coming when He comes in wrath.
Clearly Matthew 24 says in one day
Jesus will return,
the elect gathered
everyone will be judged
it will be the LAST day.
Maranatha 👍
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I'm so glad to see that Christians are waking up to this false doctrine.
GOD knew this false doctrine would come about ,he warned us about it way back in Ezekiel 13: 18-20 . I
Hi my friend, you will be amazed when the rapture come.THE LORD JESUS is coming now.GOD bless with wisdom but dont forget the begining of wisdom is fear of LORD.I love you all.
😇 What is the end times tribulation? 😇
The tribulation is a future seven-year period when God will finish His discipline of Israel and finalize His judgment of the unbelieving world. The church, comprised of all who have trusted in the person and work of the Lord Jesus, will not be present during the tribulation. The church will be removed from the earth in an event called the rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:51-53). In this way, the church is saved from the wrath to come (1 Thessalonians 5:9).
Throughout Scripture, the tribulation is associated with the day of the Lord, that time during which God personally intervenes in history to accomplish His plan (see Isaiah 2:12; 13:6-9; Joel 1:15; 2:1-31; 3:14; 1 Thessalonians 5:2). It is referred to as “tribulation . . . in the latter days” (Deuteronomy 4:30,); the great tribulation, which refers to the more intense second half of the seven-year period (Matthew 24:21); “a time of distress” (Daniel 12:1); and “the time of Jacob’s trouble” (Jeremiah 30:7,). And we have this description of the tribulation that attends the day of the Lord:
“That day will be a day of wrath- a day of distress and anguish, a day of trouble and ruin, a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and blackness- a day of trumpet and battle cry” (Zephaniah 1:15-16).
The tribulation will be marked by various divine judgments, celestial disturbances, natural disasters, and terrible plagues (see Revelation 6-16). In His mercy, God sets a limit on the duration of the tribulation. As Jesus said, “Those will be days of distress unequaled from the beginning, when God created the world, until now-and never to be equaled again. If the Lord had not cut short those days, no one would survive” (Mark 13:19-20).
Daniel 9:24-27 reveals the purpose and time of the tribulation. This passage speaks of 70 weeks that have been declared against “your people.” Daniel’s people are the Jews, the nation of Israel, and Daniel 9:24 speaks of a period of time in which God’s purpose is “to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy.” God declares that “seventy sevens” will fulfill all these things. The “sevens” are groups of years, so 70 sevens is 490 years. (Some translations refer to 70 “weeks” of years.)
In Daniel 9:25 and 26, the Messiah will be cut off after “seven sevens and sixty-two sevens” (69 total sevens), beginning with the decree to rebuild Jerusalem. In other words, 69 sevens (483 years) after the decree to rebuild is issued, the Messiah will die. Biblical historians confirm that 483 years passed from the time of the decree to rebuild Jerusalem to the time when Jesus was crucified. Most Christian scholars, regardless of their view of eschatology, have the above understanding of Daniel’s 70 sevens.
God said that 70 weeks had been determined (490 years), but, with the death of the Messiah, we only have 69 weeks accounted for (483 years). This leaves one seven-year period to be fulfilled “to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy” (Daniel 9:24). This final seven-year period is what we call the tribulation-the time when God finishes judging Israel and brings them back to Himself.
Daniel 9:27 gives a few highlights of the final week, the seven-year tribulation period: “[A ruler] will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.” Jesus refers to this passage in Matthew 24:15. The ruler who confirms the covenant and then sets up the abomination is called “the beast” in Revelation 13. According to Daniel 9:27, the beast’s covenant will be for seven years, but in the middle of this week (3 ½ years into the tribulation), the beast will break the covenant, putting a stop to the Jewish sacrifices. Revelation 13 explains that the beast will place an image of himself in the temple and require the world to worship him. Revelation 13:5 says that this will go on for 42 months, which is 3 ½ years (the second half of the tribulation). So, we see a covenant lasting to the middle of the “week” (Daniel 9:27) and the beast who made the covenant demanding worship for 42 months (Revelation 13:5). Therefore, the total length of time is 84 months or seven years.
We also have a reference to the last half of the tribulation in Daniel 7:25. There, the ruler will oppress God’s people for “a time, times, and half a time” (time=1 year; times=2 years; half a time=½ year; total of 3 ½ years). This time of oppression against the Jews is also described in Revelation 13:5-7 and is part of the “great tribulation,” the latter half of the seven-year tribulation when the beast, or the Antichrist, will be in power.
A further reference to the timing of events in the tribulation is found in Revelation 11:2-3, which speaks of 1,260 days and 42 months (both equaling 3 ½ years, using the “prophetic year” of 360 days). Also, Daniel 12:11-12 speaks of 1,290 days and 1,335 days from the midpoint of the tribulation. The additional days in Daniel 12 may include time after the tribulation for the judgment of the nations (Matthew 25:31-46) and time for the setting up of Christ’s millennial kingdom (Revelation 20:4-6).
In summary, the tribulation is the seven-year period in the end times in which humanity’s decadence and depravity will reach its fullness, with God judging accordingly. Also during that time, Israel will repent of their sin and receive Jesus as their Messiah, setting up a time of great blessing and restoration (Zephaniah 3:9-20; Isaiah 12; 35). King James Version. ✝️
Please pray for my Family to comr to the Lord
I will.🙏💖
@@berniboy1972 thank you and I will for you too
I did. Only believe now. Wait without wavering
I can't listen to anymore. I just wanted to hear the interview. I wish you could stop talking.
@@MargaretR.Sharpe what are you talking about
Jesus Himself said, "Watch and pray always that you may escape ALL THESE THINGS".
I have a king James Bible, and the snatching away is certainly in it..
1 Thessalonians 4:15 .....
"For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep."
Tells everybody right there that Christians will be on Earth when Jesus Returns.
False bible girl
@@sandyhigh549 ... the snatching away takes place when Jesus Returns at His Second Coming.
All at the end. All at the same time. And the evil actually go first as in the days of Noah.
@@gerhard-jx4rnThe only.
True bible girl
Rev 3:10 Jesus says I will keep you from the hour of trial that will come upon the whole earth to test them! True believers are not appointed to the wrath of God! Jesus took God’s wrath upon himself!
You’ll find the answer in John 6:40
The earliest church taught the "harpottzo"...the actual Greek word for "rapture". I have documented the fact of this Biblical and most important doctrine. The Roman church replaced the rapture doctrine with Amillennialism.
@nuggetoftruth-ericking7489 THE early church never taught a rapture. They taught Hebrews 9:28 he bore the sins of many at his first appearance, and to them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. One time to forgive the second time to deliver us at the kingdom of God for a 1000 year reign .
@nuggetoftruth-ericking7489 There is NO facts to back up any rapture. None of the apostles, Jesus nor the prophets ever taught that doctrine. The religionist Rome, Darby, Schofield, Margaret Mc Donald and others are responsible for this teaching. No where does it say anyone goes or returns to heaven at Christ's returns.
I surveyed the comments to this video yesterday, and I am appalled by the lack of grace-filled words on the part of a number of the commenters. From the topic, I think it's safe to presume that the overwhelming majority of the participants are followers of Jesus Christ, yet in so many instances the conversation exhibits in no way the fruits of God’s spirit, which we know are love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Brothers and sisters in the Lord, how can this be so?
I say this as a rebuke to several serial commenters who, though they abundantly quote scripture, are clearly uninterested in considering the scripture passages and relevant historical facts put forward by others. I see neither love, peace, kindness, goodness, gentleness nor self-control exhibited as they seem more interested in defending their personal opinions about what the Bible says, rather than approaching God’s word with humility. They may have an insight to share, but their many words lacking the seasoning of grace are not winning any hearts.
I am also specifically calling out others who stridently label those with whom they disagree as “liars” or purveyors of “lies”, even suggesting that they are in service of the “father of lies”. Really? The lack of gentleness and self-control here is simply breathtaking. And to justify their lack of Spirit-guided manners they hide behind a concern for truth, and the argument that persons may fall away from the faith should the rapture not turn out as they expected. The Bible tells us that many will fall away from the faith in the end times, so don’t be surprised about it. But when they do, it won’t be because the rapture didn’t turn out as they expected - it will be because they didn’t belong to the Lord in the first place. The Bible also tells us that the Gospel is offensive to unbelievers in their mind-darkened state. However, we also should not add our own personal offensiveness to it as we labor in the Lord’s harvest.
These people are puffed up beyond belief by what knowledge they think they have. It’s hard to see how the Holy Spirit is at work in their words, and it is the Holy Spirit that convicts of truth. I’m not saying they don’t have the Holy Spirit living within them; rather, it seems that they have quenched the Holy Spirit by their ungracious attitudes. The apostle Paul is at the tail end of addressing a similar fracas in his first letter to the Corinthian church when he writes, “If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.” 1 Corinthians 13:1-2
There are some notable participants in these comments that need to take this scripture as seriously as they do the rapture, lack thereof or the timing thereof.
Finally, I find it interesting that some of the advocates of one persuasion seem as though they would be disappointed if they weren’t on-hand and get to suffer in the great tribulation that is coming. With no small bravado they taunt, “what are you afraid of?” I can’t help but wonder if they might feel something might be lacking in their salvation without having done so … as if one could earn salvation that is the free gift of God. I can only answer for myself: I’m not afraid of anything because I serve God who is sovereign and whose love for me was demonstrated on the cross before I was ever born. The misery to come in the great tribulation will be unparalleled in human history, and I wouldn’t relish facing it for myself or anyone else. So, if it’s God’s plan to remove the Church before the great tribulation starts - which I believe is scriptural and has been taught as so from the earliest days of the Church - why would I second-guess God by reasoning that such a blessing surely could not be because other Christians have suffered and are suffering at the hands of God’s enemy? God’s ways are not our ways, and His purposes are higher than our purposes. His plans are not like how we would plan. Throughout our lives we see God pouring out blessing in ways that don’t seem fair from a human perspective, but we know that God is holy, just and good - all the time, every time. Let us not forget that there is an enemy that is bent wholly upon stealing, killing and destroying all that God has made and purposed for good, and sometimes God allows the enemy’s activity so that He can subvert its evil intent into His good purposes.
So, if the rapture comes before the Lord takes me home to be with him, I will gladly boast in the blessing of the Lord for me and for other Christians globally, some of whom who have already suffered greatly at the hands of God’s enemy. But, if it is God’s plan that I see the dreadful days of the great tribulation, I will face it with confidence knowing that the only one I could fear is the One whose righteous wrath against me has already burned on the Lord Jesus Christ in my place. Talk about something that wasn’t fair at all by human reasoning, but I’ll take it!! And in the meantime, I won’t be bashful at all about living for and seeking God’s blessing however it may come.
Thank you. You've helped me see wrong within myself. You are probably, a true God-loving God-fearing person.
Grace is essential, but it's the Blood of the Lamb which does it. God can't see sin through the Mercy Seat.
Very well said, and thank you!
If you keep you comments shorter people are more likely to read.
1 Thessalonians 4:15 .....
"For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep."
Tells everybody right there that Christians will be on Earth when Jesus Returns.
I recently did an in-depth study of a pre-trib rapture and I found you can only infer a pre-trib rapture, but scripturally it's not to be found. I suggest everyone study the bible and pray for understanding.
Hear, Hear!!!
I have personally looked into the scriptures for and against the "rapture". The thing that concerns me the most is how many believers in Christ will become part of the apostasy and walk away if the rapture does not occur! "He that shall endure to the end, the same shall be saved." Matthew 24:13
In the tribulation, you will have to endure to the end to be saved! (Revelation 12:11) However: "I'm saved already!" (I John 5:13)
So, are you saying that all that have died in the past need to be dug up and 'endure to the end', then they will be saved? You have not personally looked very deeply into the 'for and against' or you would have thought that part out a little better. There are many Christians who have died quietly in their beds, with loved ones at their sides. What is it that they endured to the end?
@@sydneyperry3672 First of all, I am already born again saved to the uttermost from my sins...! When Jesus said: "Marvel not that I say unto you, that you must be born again!" (John 3:7) Saved people are going to Heaven, lost people are going to go through the tribulation and to Hell..! (II Thessalonians 2:11-12) Those that died before Calvary, yet they died in faith...! (Hebrews 11:39-40) Notice (verses 13-16)
@@DottieWadethis has nothing to do with the tribulation. It’s referring to the course of their life. Meaning, if a person halfway through their life, turns their back on Christ - they were not a real believer to begin with
The rapture is the biggest lie that Satan has made. Everyone who believes in the rapture will turn on Jesus when the rapture doesn’t happen.
Why comment on the belief in the rapture or in the belief against the rapture? Just be thankful for the spirit of Jesus has you
My mother-in-law and son-in-law were arguing about this very thing the other day. And I said pretty much the same thing. It doesn't matter what you belive will happen. That parts already decided.
@@evermoorebecause it leads to other mistruths.
But it's SO CLEAR
@@evermooreThere is a crown to be received for those who are waiting upon Jesus. 2Thes 4:8.
@@MarineScoutSniperYes.
Correction, the Geneva Bible was the first bible with study notes ❤
True I think the difference that allows both to claim “first” status is between an annotation and a study note. 🤷♂️
How do you get the blue text with magnifier?
Dear brother !! You are being the great deception of these Last Days . 1st and 2nd Thessalonians speaks of the snatching away from HIS Wrath !!🙏🏼🌹🛐
Praying JoyFull FaithFilled Prayers for you 🙏🏼🛐
The church did not replace Israel, the bible says we (the gentiles) were grafted in. When you graft a plant the old is not replaced but grow together. I pray your eyes are opened
The church does not replace Israel.
church is a biblical word for “assembly.” the assembly of the saints of God living or dead. It is not a building or anything created by man. I am neither Jew or Greek. I am gentile sinner saved by Grace, a child of God, the bride of Christ. I belong to the church " assembly" of Christ. So yes, the church is much greater than Israel, because it is eternal not temporal. Is not of this world.
@@brent8207yes the children of the promise.
True israel was joined by believing gentiles as the church. The unbelieving were branches broken off and gentile believers grafted in. The mystery was gentiles would be JOINT HEIRS AND OF THE SAME BODY . READ EPHESIANS 2 AND 3. not all in israel is of israel ( a jew is one circumcised of the heart and the promises were given to the SEED OF ABRAHAM'S WHICH IS JESUS SO WE HAVE THEM IN HIM) That is what ppl cannot understand bc of this teaching. It's confused ppl into thinking there are 2 sets of God's ppl but there is one. Neither jew nor Greek but one new man in Christ. Peter Saya the church is a " holy nation" bc it's not based on geneology but we all are children of God by faith in Christ not by bloodline. ❤
@@DavidNeal-mf9ky the church is Israel,. Whoever is in Christ is Israel.
True, they are separated from what they represent...12,000 x 12 Tribes is but a Remnant Kept, however, the 7-Churches and the Multitude that are derived have much to Fulfill! They are the Many who must find themselves Accepting the Millennial Reign of Christ on Earth, as it is in Heaven! This time the Servants shall receive from the Master of the House, as it is the Master of the House who Returns upon all the World, and he is expecting those who listened to be doing his Good Works! ...No, the Church does not replace the Elect New Son's of GOD, but those are so very few, as Many are Called, yet, few are Chosen!
😇 What does the Bible say about scoffers? 😇
The word translated "scoffer" in English can mean "one who mocks, ridicules, or scorns the belief of another." In Hebrew, the word translated "scoffer" or "mocker" can also mean "ambassador." So a scoffer is one who not only disagrees with an idea, but he also considers himself an ambassador for the opposing idea. He cannot rest until he has demonstrated the foolishness of any idea not his own. A scoffer voices his disagreement, ridicules all who stand against him, and actively recruits others to join his side. In the Bible, scoffers are those who choose to disbelieve God and His Word. They say in their hearts, "There is no God" (Psalm 14:1), and make it their ambition to ridicule those who follow God.
The Bible has a lot to say about scoffers (Proverbs 19:29; 29:8; Acts 13:41). Proverbs 3:34 says that God "scoffs at the scoffers, yet He gives grace to the afflicted." Psalm 1:1 gives us clear instruction about how to deal with scoffers: "How blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the ungodly, nor stand in the path of sinners, nor sit in the seat of scoffers" The progression of unbelief begins with listening to ungodly counsel and ends with joining the scoffers. The Bible warns us not to entertain the company of those who actively ridicule our faith, or we risk having that faith destroyed. Proverbs 13:20 says, "Whoever walks with the wise becomes wise, but the companion of fools will suffer harm"
We cannot totally escape the presence of scoffers. They were active in Jesus’ day, and we continue to hear from them today. Jesus told His disciples, “If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you" (John 15:18-19). A Christian should "always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks . . . to give the reason for the hope that you have" (1 Peter 3:15). However, when we cease to be the influencers and start to become the influenced, it is time to "shake the dust off our feet" (Matthew 10:14; Mark 6:11; Luke 10:11).
Second Peter 3:3 warns us that "in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires" (cf. Jude 1:18). We know from Scripture that scoffing will only increase as we near the time for Jesus’ return (2 Timothy 3:1-5). We already see it happening with the blanket acceptance of evolutionary theory that excludes a Creator, the rapid expansion of false religions that deny the deity of Christ, and the numeric explosion of those who identify themselves as agnostics and atheists.
Scoffers have always been and will always be present in the world. But there is coming a promised day when "at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father" (Philippians 2:10-11). On that day there will no longer be any scoffers. They will at last accept the truth, and their scoffing will be forever silenced. King James Version. ✝️
Also, what does the book of Revelation say about 'Rich' men. For that matter, what did Jesus say about 'Rich' men. I just can't learn doctrine from a 'Rich' man ever again.
I know that you mean well, but that doesn't make you right. I hope and believe that you are saved? And from what I've heard about you, I believe that you are saved. So when the Rapture happens, don't complain, just enjoy the ride. You not believing in the Rapture won't stop it from happening. I believe there is a Rapture of the saved people ahead of the great Tribulation or the 70th week of Daniel or the 7 years of Tribulation. During this time, there will be the judgement seat of Christ and then the marriage supper of the Lamb of God and the Crowning of the King Jesus Christ. Then Christ second coming all of the way down to this earth to rule and reign from Jerusalem Israel 🇮🇱 for 1000 years.
There's going to be a rapture before the tribulation period . It will take place at God's timing.. The message comes from Jesus deciples. We are in the church age right now. The church age ends when Jesus comes to get his bride (the church). Then the tribulation period begins. Jesus comes back on a white horse at the end of the 7 year tribulation period .
3rd coming battle of good vs evil at Mageddo!😊
@@Investormillard
Technically, there isn't much of a battle. King Jesus will speak His Word, and His enemies will be instantly destroyed. After all, He is the God Man!
Rapture means Jesus coming back and slaying evil. Nothing more. The American belief is a misunderstanding.
No it wont be like that. There cant be two resurrection of the saints... becauee thats what will hapoen before the rapture.. and if you read the end of revelations it says Immediately AFTER thise days, the dead will rise and AFTER that we will gather in the air with the Lord... so you cannot have 2 raptures and 2 resurrectures of the righteous. It doesnt maje sense.
We the saints will come back with him riding white horses at the end of the tribulation and he sits up his millennial rein. We went up in the rapture just before the tribulation started. That's what I have learned at Bible study. We are His bride and He won't make His bride go through the tribulation My teacher has specialized in study of the end times Direct from the Bible for many years.
😇 When is the Rapture going to occur in relation to the Tribulation? 😇
The timing of the rapture in relation to the tribulation is one of the most controversial issues in the church today. The three primary views are pre-tribulational (the rapture occurs before the tribulation), mid-tribulational (the rapture occurs at or near the mid-point of the tribulation), and post-tribulational (the rapture occurs at the end of the tribulation). A fourth view, commonly known as pre-wrath, is a slight modification of the mid-tribulational position.
First, it is important to recognize the purpose of the tribulation. According to Daniel 9:27, there is a seventieth “seven” (seven years) that is still yet to come. Daniel’s entire prophecy of the seventy sevens (Daniel 9:20-27) is speaking of the nation of Israel. It is a time period in which God focuses His attention especially on Israel. The seventieth seven, the tribulation, must also be a time when God deals specifically with Israel. While this does not necessarily indicate that the church could not also be present, it does bring into question why the church would need to be on the earth during that time.
The primary Scripture passage on the rapture is 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. It states that all living believers, along with all believers who have died, will meet the Lord Jesus in the air and will be with Him forever. The rapture is God’s removing of His people from the earth. A few verses later, in 1 Thessalonians 5:9, Paul says, “For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.” The book of Revelation, which deals primarily with the time period of the tribulation, is a prophetic message of how God will pour out His wrath upon the earth during the tribulation. It seems inconsistent for God to promise believers that they will not suffer wrath and then leave them on the earth to suffer through the wrath of the tribulation. The fact that God promises to deliver Christians from wrath shortly after promising to remove His people from the earth seems to link those two events together.
Another crucial passage on the timing of the rapture is Revelation 3:10, in which Christ promises to deliver believers from the “hour of trial” that is going to come upon the earth. This could mean two things. Either Christ will protect believers in the midst of the trials, or He will deliver believers out of the trials. Both are valid meanings of the Greek word translated “from.” However, it is important to recognize what believers are promised to be kept from. It is not just the trial, but the “hour” of trial. Christ is promising to keep believers from the very time period that contains the trials, namely the tribulation. The purpose of the tribulation, the purpose of the rapture, the meaning of 1 Thessalonians 5:9, and the interpretation of Revelation 3:10 all give clear support to the pre-tribulational position. If the Bible is interpreted literally and consistently, the pre-tribulational position is the most biblically-based interpretation. King James Version. ✝️
Truth. The saints have always been persecuted, tortured, murdered because of our faith, and we will continue to be until the Day of the Lord. Maranatha Jesus ❤🙏 🙌
Amen.
lol American saints “persecuted” today is being shadow banned HAHA- try looking up what a Roman Candle was- that’s real persecution and the great tribulation was 66-70AD. Nero was the man of sin and the 7 churches in Revelation have all been destroyed (buried and melted when excavated-look it up!)
@@TyrelBramwell Pray tell, Tyrel, what advantage is there for the Church to have to go through a time of horror such as the world has never seen, and will never see again? What would be the purpose of this? If the precious blood of Jesus Christ isn't enough to cleanse and to purify us from sins, then not a single one of us has the hope of a snowball surviving the eternal lake of fire!
@@skywatcher6864
By church, are you referring to the thousands in Nigeria that are being raped and beheaded for their faith in Jesus? By church, are you referring to the thousands who are being butchered in the middle east for their faith in Jesus? By church, are you referring to the thousands in North Korea that are being brutally murdered for their faith in Jesus and ground up to feed Un's palace pets? Or, by church, are you referring to the comfort seeking, comfort living people in the west (USA, Canada, etc) who've been indoctrinated into believing that they'll be spared widespread and intense persecution because they're "the church"?
@@TyrelBramwell Hi! As someone from a Soviet culture (now an immigrant in the USA) I believe that the resurrection was staged by the Romans, as explained in a popular book where I'm from - "The Gospel of Afranius"; like many others, I read it in childhood and never thought about this question again - until coming to the USA and noticing a stark contrast in the discussion of this question. What's wrong with that explanation? Also, I believe matter is eternal - it can only move and change but not appear from nowhere - seems like common sense to me, but apparently not here in the US, what's wrong with that?
John rich: "The word rapture is not in the bible..."
1 Thes. 4:17 AMP
Then we who are alive and remain [on the earth] will simultaneously be caught up (raptured) together with them [the resurrected ones] in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord!
Latin Vulgate:
1 Thessalonians 4:17 - deinde nos qui vivimus qui relinquimur simul RAPIEMUR cum illis in nubibus obviam Domino in aera et sic semper cum Domino erimus
John Rich simply did not seem to know this.
This is why you listen to Pastors who preach the bible rather than Secular Singers! 1 Thessalonians was out long before John Darby. The Greek word is "Harpozo" and the Latin word is "Raptura" where we get the transliterated word Rapture which mean "caught up"!
Yeah, I like John MacArthur and Tom Pennington myself!
It really does not matter what you think. It will happen when GOD says it will,like it or not.So be prayed up,packed up,and ready to go.
1 Thessalonians 4:15 .....
"For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep."
Tells everybody right there that Christians will be on Earth when Jesus Returns.
I'm sure John Rich means well, he seems like a nice enough guy. But I still believe in the pre-trib rapture. !
You are so right. He is leading others away from the truth. He will stand in judgement for this action. I have never owned nor will I own a Scofield.
@@berniboy1972But those ideas still come from there
. Really don't understand your thought on my statement.
@@berniboy1972 You implied that by never owning a Scofield Bible, those ideas must be your own. But they still (to my understanding) come from there
Then, when the deciples asked Jesus, when was He returning, and what are the signs in Mathew 24, Luke 21, and MArk 13, why doesJesus tell them, He comes after the Tribulation?
How is this still even a question? It's the hope of the Church that we comfort ourselves with.
1 Thessalonians 4:15 .....
"For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep."
Tells everybody right there that Christians will be on Earth when Jesus Returns.
No, you and Rich are wrong. Snatched out, Caught up, Raptured, whichever way you conceptionalize it, we go up into the air to meet the Lord in the clouds!
amen.
Read Matthew 24 Christians DO go thro the GREAT TRIBULATION
@@jackcumberland Matthew 24 regards The Second Coming, not the Rapture!
@@alvinboss3672 could you give me verses that mention the secret rapture please also the Left behind series is pure fiction the books and Hollywood movies
@@jackcumberland There is no "secret" Rapture and for you to even make that comment is quite facetious. The Rapture is a "Mystery" revealed by Paul. Biblically, a mystery is something that is being "revealed" or "unveiled" for the first time.
Excuse but HARPAZO appears in the Original KJV Bible well before Scofield!!!
We are spared from the wrath of God which is His judgment on all unbelievers whe He Returns not the Tribulation! No one is saying that the Rapture isn't Biblical, a pre-trib Rapture isn't, that's the point.
When does the Rapture occur??? When Jesus ACTUALLY RETURNS!!!
Follow the Text!!
Matthew 24:29-31
[29]“Immediately after the distress of those days
“ ‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’
[30]“Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.
[31]And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and THEY WILL GATHER HIS ELECT FROM THE FOUR WINDS, from one end of the heavens to the other.
It is so encouraging as someone who listens to the Lord and the Holy Spirit over the words of men, to see this be spoken. I have known for a long time that Scofield was wrong. Just look at his life. I have tried to warn others but it is so widespread that they just laugh. They see me as a nut because I have such different beliefs, they think. I turn from paganism in any form, so I don't fit in and that is fine by me. I would rather be on the narrow path than following those that follow men instead of Christ.
Does believing in or not believing in the rapture determine whether your saved or not. We need to be more concerned in people being born again and knowing the LORD than splitting hairs on the things that have no bearing on where people will spend eternity. The scripture tells us in many places that he will save us from that day.
Being born again is another BS...just as rapture, half true, quarter true and pint of true Bible mixed with made up believes.
What if the foundational doctrine behind it is heresy?
Premillennial Dispensationalism is heresy. It teaches that there are 2 plans of salvation. Christ and the cross for the gentiles and the Jews being allowed to reject God and his messiah and live in utter rebellion until the end of the world when Jesus appears in the clouds to save Israel from total destruction from the Antichrist. Then they believe when they see him. No repentance and no faith in Jesus required.
Exactly- we’re too focused on a small part. I’m not understanding why we’re arguing when either way we end up with Jesus anyways?!
No, but it's a Big deal when
Matthew 24 10 happens
Now it's too late
Should have read Matthew 24 9
@averagejoe7229. Were suppose to be Bereans and to show ourselves approved. Rightly dividing the Word of Truth, I think holding hands and singing kumbaya is a different spiritual walk.
I’ve been having this discussion with my father in law. As Southern Baptists, he believes (and so had I) about what is presented as The Rapture. After listening to discussions, having history presented, leaning on discernment, and reflecting on what I feel in my heart - that faith (or anything of true value) can, should, and will be challenged by struggle. Take your cross and bear it forward. Plus, I always believed that if The Rapture happens the way so many believe, that’s great! But I’m in it for the fight to come, the struggle we find ourselves in today, and the mandate to strive to live as Christ did…as flawed as I am. Prayers for everyone trying to navigate these troubled times.
Hi friend
Jesus doesn't have a pretrib rapture for any church
But there is a rapture into a church that belongs to the antichrist before the tribulation begins
Basically, the antichrist church will pursecute Jesus christ church
It will be false Christian battling against the true Christian
You should do a Greek word for word study on Revelation 3 : 10. Pretty interesting.......
@angelcortez9662
Hi Angela
A Holy Spirit teaching would be better
@angelcortez9662
Here is what the Holy Spirit would say
Revelation chapter 3 verse 10
This verse is about God's word
And for keeping God's word, then this group would be kept from the hour of trial
The question is which group would be kept from the hour of trial
Which group brought back God's word
Now what reason was God's word lost?
Romans chapter 1 verse 25 comes into mind
For they changed the truths of God into lies And they worship the creature more than the creator Who is blessed forever and ever
Who are they that changed God's word into lies 🤔?
Ever wonder why we have so many protestant faiths in the world?
What is the protest all about with these protestants faiths?
@angelcortez9662
Have you seen new protestant churches popping up lately?
No, we haven't
The reformers have all come to the scene
There are no more reformers
So, who was this last reformer?
Most don't know this, but Ellen White was a reformer who came out of the protestant faith
She didn't come out of the Catholic faith but from the union of the Baptist and methodist Church uniting back in the mid-1800s
What happened with these two faiths that brought on a whole new revival to the world?
Would you, my friend, like to see all this in the prophecy of God
Just read Rev chapter 10, and you will see the experience of the Philadelphia church that brought back God's word
We as believers must be willing to die for Christ, only those whom persevere and overcome will receive the crown of life. Let us pray for one another.
Keep oil in your lamp!
Amen!
Darby had nothing to do about inventing the Rapture. The Apostle Paul and ALL of the Apostles believed and taught the Rapture.
I’ll be waving bye bye on my way up❤
The rapture is a lie- John rich.
The rapture is true- The Word of God
It isn’t true
Well if it isn't true and you are left behind, will you please tell others where all the true Christians went after they all disappear from all over the Earth.
Thanks 👍
@@moniquestockett5431I don’t think any of you are actually listening to what he is saying.
@@moniquestockett5431Pull out a King James Bible and follow along with the interview with Tucker Carlson.
The rapture itself isn't the issue it's the timing of it. The rapture IS the second coming of Christ... at the end on "the last day"
The Geneva was the first Bible with study notes it came before the king James version it was the Bible that the puritans came to America with.
I think it depends on whether we’re considering annotations to be a “study bible.”
@@TyrelBramwell Really are we going there, you know John was attacking both?
Yes and for decades The Scofield Bible was EVIL for including notes. Now everyone produces a noted Bible in their position. So notes are not evil anymore? It was jealousy all along.
Once born again and The Holy Spirit becomes our Great Teacher that no man can replace. I was born again in 2005 and began going to Evangelical church services while reading scripture on my own and what I found was I was learning and being fed more on my own readings and studies of the Bible than attending church services. The Holy Spirit quickly showed me this error of a so called "rapture" or secret coming of Christ and I began my own investigation and found out exactly what John Rich is saying here. God bless!
Noah remained, the rest of the world was destroyed. There is only one second coming
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Ya... but Enoch was raptured before the Great Flood - the Tribulation of his time (a foreshadow of the raptured saints who )... Noah represents the left behind Trubulation saints....Enoch did not die - Noah died - both were saved
Because Noah believed God and today Believers believe the Word of God. Abraham believed God and it was counted to him as righteousness.
There is actually 3 distinct returns of Jesus in the end times. Once in the clouds (no mention of blood), once recorded in Is. 63 when He treads out the wine press alone and no one is with Him, and the third is when He returns with ten thousands of His saints (with a garment dipped in blood). The dipped is defined as overwhelmed or covered. The promise at the end of Revelation says if you take away from the prophecy of this book your name shall be taken out of the Book of Life. Be careful what you spread to those who are weak in faith.
@@janicemilbourn2005 wHAT i HAVE UNDERSTOOD. THE RAPTURE: THE DEAD IN CHRIST WILL RISE FIRST, THEN WE (BELIEVERS) THATREMAIN WILL BE CAUGHT UP TO MEET HIM IN THE AIR. THEN COMES THE 7 YEARS OF TRIBULATION, THE TRIBULATION ENDS WHEN CHRIST RETURNS TO THE EARTH, THEN THERE IS THE MILLENIUM. AT THE END OF THE MILLENIUM, JUDGEMENT WILL COME.
there definitely is a rapture of believers.Deceptions are all around attacking.
It's not about believers even Satan believes.....There's so many that believe in a God yet they don't know Jesus Christ it takes more then just belief....his words not mine....Sheep know the Shepards voice....❤
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Biblical believing includes obeying all the Words of Jesus. Faith comes, obedience is the fruit of our believing.
@@Ian-h5f totally agree....so many are lost we are to speak truth to all without it there will be more lost....prayers to all...I know Jesus personally!!!
👑 THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST 👑 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 - Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures. King James Version. ✝️
My advise to you is listen to yourselves on this video clip. There is not a single biblical scripture throughout.Basically 0:02 all you doing is pumping your own opinions and lying to yourselves and putting ours down. The Rapture is biblical go back and read the scripture and ask the Holy Spirit to guide you into the truth and he will surely show you it’s not a mystery. It’s in plain American English. So please don’t bring Gods wrath upon yourselves. I say this with love and kindness. Praise God Amen 🙏
Amen 🎉
Yes John Rich actually thinks Paul beheaded people he said it on Tucker - I think people blew it off .
What is truth?
Pontius Pilate.
We are spared from the wrath of God which is His judgment, not any Tribulation! No one is saying that the Rapture isn't Biblical, a pre-trib Rapture isn't, that's the point.
When does the Rapture occur??? When Jesus ACTUALLY RETURNS!!!
Follow the Text!!
Matthew 24:29-31
[29]“Immediately after the distress of those days
“ ‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’
[30]“Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.
[31]And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and THEY WILL GATHER HIS ELECT FROM THE FOUR WINDS, from one end of the heavens to the other.
All rapture doctrine is counterfeited resurrection scripture. Bring your "logic" lets talk.
The word Bible is not in the Bible...what is your point?
Good one, MaryTinker!!! 😅
Neither is the word Trinity
Bi-Bull means Two Wars...and so it shall be Tri-Bull ...which is what they expect! Tribulation!
We are spared from the wrath of God which is His judgment, not the Tribulation! No one is saying that the Rapture isn't Biblical, a pre-trib Rapture isn't, that's the point.
When does the Rapture occur??? When Jesus ACTUALLY RETURNS!!!
Follow the Text!!
Matthew 24:29-31
[29]“Immediately after the distress of those days
“ ‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’
[30]“Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.
[31]And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and THEY WILL GATHER HIS ELECT FROM THE FOUR WINDS, from one end of the heavens to the other.
Point: what is the definition of Bible. 2. Why not just write ' caught up ' instead of interducing a new/decieving word into the scripture.
🛡️⚔️ ARMOR OF GOD ⚔️🛡️ Ephesians 6:10-18 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints; King James Version. ✝️
I was just thinking similar things. see. I have had a Rapture dream. But, I have to ask myself, where did this dream come from?.... IDK. I can say tho, that it was NOT any sort of 'normal' dream........ I Believe in Jesus Christ.....period
Stop eating pizza before you go to bed
People need to be reminded about the lives of Darby and Scofield.
1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 For this we say unto you by the Word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air : and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
This is the Rapture, after this, the Tribulation begins. After the Tribulation, Armeggedon, Christ will return and then begins the earthly reign of one thousand years on earth when there will be peace. The main thing is just repent of your sins, trust in Christ as your Lord and Savior and walk with Him and be ready to meet Him in the air.
Luke 21: 34-36. Why would jesus say to pray that we can escape all of this if we weren’t able to?
There you go , They won’t explain that
@@sandyhigh549 Also in Luke 17:26-30 Jesus says people will be getting married and life will be like normal. When he returns at the very end the whole world is practically destroyed, and more than half of the population will be dead. I don’t think we will be having weddings while the sun is darkened lol. Also Jesus says he can come at anytime, and no man knows the date. If we end up in the tribulation we can literally set an exact date. In the seven letters in Revelation Jesus says he will keep one of the churches out of the tribulation and threatens sending one into it. Not sure why he would say that either. I can go on forever lol. Listen to Chuck Missler on the rapture if you haven’t already. He also goes over a bunch of early church leaders who taught it
@@jon-michaelsmith8187 but where are those that are taken being sent to?
Luke 17:37
Where, Lord?” they asked.
He replied, “Where there is a dead body, there the vultures will gather
I’ve always thought Matthew 24 , proved there was no rapture
I agree; I struggled with pre, mid, post, for a long time because of Matthew; The gospels are written to everyone, however, what if the gospels are also addressing different groups of people! TEST THIS ASAP; TIME IS SHORT! In the 3 gospels, Matthew, Mark, Luke, before Jesus is crucified, he is put in 3 different colored robes. (3 categories of people). Luke 23:11 Gorgeous robe; meaning white, bright, (like a bride?) Mark 15:17 Purple robe, Matthew 27:28 Scarlet; (tribulation colors) interestingly, John 19:2 he's put in a purple robe. FIND OUT WHY! (22 MINUTE VIDEO, start at 5 min mark) ua-cam.com/video/j2YTyQ9xVFs/v-deo.htmlsi=3uT5L41Rr-Rs_glh . ON THE CROSS: Luke 23:46, into thy hands I commend (G3908) my spirit. G3908: to place beside... Mark 15:34 and Matthew 27:46, Jesus says the same thing; why HAST THOU FORSAKEN (G1459) me? G1459: TO LEAVE BEHIND; AMAZING! I love you brothers and sister! We're all trying to know THE truth and grow closer to Jesus!
Mt. 24: 31, 40-44 is referring to the rapture of Israel sometime during the seven years of Jacob's Troubles, known as the Great Tribulation. The doctrine of the Rapture is as true and reliable as is the doctrine of the Second Coming of Christ. There are at least 16 major differences between the Rapture and the Second Coming. Here are a few of them:
#1: The Rapture is the ‘blessed hope’ (Titus 2: 13, "appearing" is NOT the same as coming to earth) while the Second Coming is a Day to be greatly feared (Isa. 13: 9; Amos 5: 18).
#2: In the Rapture, Jesus comes for his Church (1 Thess. 4:16, 17 , at His Second Coming He brings the Church with Him (Rev. 19: 24).
#3: In the Rapture, the Church is taken to Heaven (John 14: 2, 3 ); at the Second Coming Jesus sets up earthly rule (Rev. 20: 4).
#4: The Rapture happens before the Antichrist and the Tribulation (1 Thess. 5: 9; 2 Thess. 2: 3); the Second Coming happens after both (Mt. 24:29,39).
#5: In the Rapture, only the born again Church sees the Lord come for them (I Thess. 4: 17); at the Second Coming the whole world witnesses it (Rev. 1: 7).
#6: In the Rapture, no angels are sent to gather the Church; Christ Himself does the gathering (I Cor. 15: 52); at the Second Coming, angels do all the gathering for judgment (Mt. 24: 30, 31).
#7: The Judgment Seat of Christ follows the Rapture (Rewards throne, Bema Seat of Christ: (2 Corinthians 5:10); the Judgment of Nations (Great White Throne Judgment) follows the Second Coming (Mt. 25: 44-46).
#8: Famine, war, and pestilence follow the Rapture (Jer. 30:7; Mt. 24: 3, 6-8). The verse in Matthew 24 where the apostles ask Jesus about the “sign of thy coming” is a direct reference to the Second Coming. The doctrine of the Rapture was unknown to them at this time, and would not be revealed until Paul, 30 years from the writing of Matthew. One thousand years of world peace follows the Second Coming (Isa. 11: 6-10).
#9: No one in the Bible knew of the doctrine of the Rapture of the Church until it was revealed by the Lord to Paul (1 Cor. 15: 51, 52). This is one of the greatest proof-texts for why the Rapture of the Church and the Second Coming cannot be the same event. Paul, in Corinthians 15, is the very first to tell us of the Rapture of the Church, and lets us know that it is a “mystery” revealed by God to him alone, which he then was charged with teaching the Church. Nearly every Bible chronology places the date of the writing of Matthew at around 35 AD, and the writing of Corinthians at around 66 AD.
This is important, because if no one knew of the doctrine of the Rapture of the Church until Paul, then Matthew 24 and 25 cannot be, under any circumstances, referring to the Church and the Rapture because no one knew of any Rapture. In fact, at the time of Matthew, the Church was not even formed. If Matthew knew and wrote about the Rapture of the Church, then Paul was lying when he said it was a MYSTERY that he was revealing for the first time in Corinthians.
#10: At the Rapture, believers are given a glorified body (I Cor. 15: 51, 52); at the Second Coming the earthly saints remain in earthly bodies as they enter the Millennial Kingdom (Isa. 65: 17-21) .
If you are not only a Bible believer but also intellectually honest, then you must admit that we have proved completely that the Rapture of the Church and the Second Coming of Jesus Christ are two very different FUTURE events with two very different results. I have given 10 reasons as to why, but could easily provide more examples of the differences between the two events. Things that are different cannot be the same. Case closed.
@@skywatcher6864 I don’t think anyone is doubting there’s a rapture, it’s the timing
@@thruitallauto2538 Many here are doubting the Rapture, even denying it. As for timing, nobody can "know the day or the hour", as Jesus said. However, He also said we'd be able to recognize the season of it, based upon the "birth pains" leading up to the Great Tribulation. It's looking pretty "ripe" where I'm at!
There will always be arguments about the timing in the Body of Christ, because most do not bother to buy good and reliable theology books that deal with such subjects, and so much more. Drs. John Walvoord, J. Dwight Pentecoste, and Henry Thiessen in their own theology books have studiously put all the players in the right places at the right times. They have to fit together with absolute precision or one's eschatology can quickly become flawed, as we're seeing here.
Those books are inexpensive and can be bought on Amazon. They're worth their weight in gold, because they deal with arguments and suppositions on "both sides of the aisle", exposing the truth in the middle. Actually, they're fun and very interesting to read!
Human nature as a Christian is wanting to find something that you can rest on and be assured everything will be OK. But the last days are not a time for rest. They are a time for preparation so if anyone feels uneasy about when the rapture will occur, you're putting your Faith and hope in the wrong place. Your Hope and faith should be in Being prepared for his return.
1 Thessalonians 4:15 .....
"For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep."
Tells everybody right there that Christians will be on Earth when Jesus Returns.
Zechariah 13:9
"And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them".
If you know him you will be refined and tried.
One good thing is, you’ll know where we are when it happens.
Scriptures are clear and I'm eagerly waiting for the rapture as God promised..🙏
John Darby did not begin the Rapture doctrine. Jesus did Luke 16, Matthew 24 etc. Paul wrote about it in Thessalonians. etc.
The people that do NOT BELIEVE OSAS WHICH IS VERY TRUE ,,ARE THE PEOPLE THAT DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE RAPTURE
What is OSAS?
ONCE you are saved you are all ways saved acording to JESUS CHRIST IN JOHN CH 3 VS 16
@@theodoreritola7641 , oh ok. Once Saved Always Saved. The “P” in the Calvinists TULIP, for Perseverance of the Saints.
How do you see rapture? Pre-tribulation or post-tribulation?
What is your point? It’s actually wrong because Calvinists believe in eternal security and Presbyterians do not believe in the Darby/scofield “rapture”.
This country singer is off. He should study the Word of God for himself.
Rapturo...is in the Latin Vulgate. ..... Harpazo, in Greek. But, not trying to argue. Why?.. because I know nothing......apparently just like everyone else.
Sounds to me like you know a lot.
Same
the pre-trib rapture was popularized by Darby but he didn't come up with it. we have access to the same Bible. The rapture was thought by early church fathers. No one will take away that blessed hope away from me.
And what happens when you see the tribulation with no rapture?
I think the Anti-Christ will take your hope away.
@@BigWoofers I won't
I'm with you brother 💯
Some people think because we believe in the Rapture that all of a sudden if it didn't happen we would become Satan worshippers and take the mark. As if they think if there is no Rapture they are somewhat stronger than those of us that believe in the Rapture. They need to get over themselves.
We are spared from the wrath of God which is His judgment, not the Tribulation! No one is saying that the Rapture isn't Biblical, a pre-trib Rapture isn't, that's the point.
When does the Rapture occur??? When Jesus ACTUALLY RETURNS!!!
Follow the Text!!
Matthew 24:29-31
[29]“Immediately after the distress of those days
“ ‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’
[30]“Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.
[31]And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and THEY WILL GATHER HIS ELECT FROM THE FOUR WINDS, from one end of the heavens to the other.
At 11.31 he says rapture happens at end of tribulation. That is the basic thing that John Rich is talking about. Unfortunately some may take his remarks as if he doesn't believe in the rapture. Titles of videos don't help. Ps God knows these debates will happen. Look at the early church. It's how we react to those who think differently about a non salvation subject that is something we should loving about and not harsh. Love the bit about speculation . Cheers
Right off the bat, you show that Rich is wrong on two statements, and yet you use him as a reference for your incorrect thinking? You just went a long way towards disqualifying your own theory! Bottom line: if you’re not looking for the Blessed Hope (Titus 2:13), it’s very possible you’ll be “Left Behind”, because you’re not anticipating His imminent return and your heart is not right. Also, btw, your perspective disagrees with the vast majority of pastors out there, a survey for which is readily available online. So God bless you with that minority, misinformed belief! Furthermore, how is it any kind of a blessed hope, if the Church, His people, have to go through all the horrible judgements in Revelation?, when again and again we see His deliverance from judgement in Scripture: Noah and his family in the flood, Lot and his family in Sodom & Gomorrah, and Nineveh in the book of Jonah. Deliverance after deliverance is God’s way. Yes, the early Church went through horrible persecution, but that was from men, and not a judgement from God. All Christians are called to persecution, to a greater or lesser extent. But never do we see God’s judgement coming against His redeemed. The very notion of believers being crushed by God’s judgement makes the Cross null and void, where Jesus died to save us from His judgement against sin.
Your eschatology is askew. Titus 2 refers to living godly lives in the midst of a dark world, and infers looking ahead to the coming kingdom of Jesus (not the rapture). You have no sense of the security of the believer in saying that the believers who are not anticipating His imminent return will be left behind. That is a slap in the face to any who do not agree with your pre-trib view. My, how kind and loving you are!!! The Bible says nothing about a pre-trib rapture but it does teach a rapture at the end of the Tribulation. Read Matthew 24:29-31. As for minority/majority, sometimes it is the minority which is right. Darby’s erroneous and faulty dispensationalism was spread because it made logical sense, but it has no biblcal sense. As for the judgment seen in Revelation, does it say that these will be leveled against God’s people? No. You cannot put a particular instance of what happened with Noah and apply it to all future events. To do so is irresponsible. Once again, you need to get out of your mind the notion that God will pour out His judgments on His people in the Tribulation. Did you forget about the persecutions from the anti-Christ?
Matthew 24:3-31 KJV - And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows. Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Amen
The rapture is biblical.
The rapture and the second coming are 2 different events. The rapture teaching were taught way before Darby.
The apostle Paul himself was waiting for the rapture lol! The doctrine of the rapture has been preached since the apostle Paul and that is way more than 200 years ago! 😬
I have seen the rapture in a dream from God Most High and it’s awesome! Three Rivers of souls flowing (flying) toward our destination like three rivers in one.
The top portion of souls literally made me feel and see the glory of God Most High like I had never seen, full of all joy, praise, and cups running over for all to see the brilliant joy of the Lord Most High. The middle portion of the river of souls were happy and content, but not near as happy, or brilliant as the ones above. The last River of souls had the least brilliance, but were just happy to be there.
There are many people that are having these dreams now. Even small children. I've seen scores of videos of people that have been having these dreams. Cloud 9 blessings has these videos every day from people relating their own dreams of the rapture and tribulation. And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: (Acts 2:17). God Bless.
Beautiful dream ✨️
Maranatha ✝️ 🌈 ⛅️ ✈️ 🕊
Hal Lindsay book Left Behind is the worse false teaching there is
Correction: Lindsay wrote The Late Great Planet Earth.
@@StorminNorman-p2b thank you. That's right. I can see who wrote left behind in my mind but can't remember his name.
@@StorminNorman-p2b Tim LaHye Jerrey Jenkins
@@DebraBaker-dh1iy Hope you didn't think I was being snarky. I made the same mistake trying to remember Thief In the Night instead of Left Behind ☺️
@@StorminNorman-p2bNo sir. You're fine. Glad someone reminded me.
I will never attend the Church of the Four Walls ever again. Attended many and ultimately found Him in my heart filled with the Spirit.
And yet the Bible says “Do not forsake the assembling of yourselves together as some do as we see the coming of the Lord.
The FIRST thing I look for when I hear a new preacher is if they teach pre-trib. If they do, I'm done because I know all of their teachings will be off. Here is something I wrote out years ago. It's long, but only about a 5 minute read. PLEASE do read ALL.
No pre trib. The verses pre-trib "pastors" NEVER read to you.
I am capitalizing words to bring attention to them, but I'm not screaming, except in my spirit for people to wake up.
John, (and also Paul), had a vision, but John was still in prison. He was PRAYING in THE SPIRIT. That's how we should pray every day and be THAT close to God, every day.
Jesus Christ, Himself, gives us MANY warnings to PREPARE us for tribulation. He even warned the disciples they would be killed for their faith. I'm sure they would have loved being snatched away. Moses and his people, as well. When they crossed the Red Sea, there was your rapture, then the Egyptians were killed. When Noah went into the ark and God shut the door, there is your rapture, and everyone else on earth was killed. When Lot and his family were out (except for his wife), there is your rapture, and then everyone else was killed. All were protected on this earth during the times of trouble proceeding. All these are (1) tribulation, (2) rapture, and then (3) God's wrath. It's never going to change. Only the righteous saved, then the wicked die THAT DAY.
I can't even count the times I've read or heard "Jesus wouldn't want a battered, bloody, and abused bride." Well, what were the disciples (including Paul)? Chumps? Their names are on the gates of New Jerusalem. What about John the baptist that was beheaded? Jesus said in Luke 7:28 "I tell you, among those born of women there is no one greater than John, yet even the least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.” Well, that's a mic drop statement if I have ever seen one. All honored by Christ.
There is a DAY of the Lord. The wrath of God is on that day. Christians will escape GOD'S wrath. The tribulation is the devil's wrath (3 1/2 years). Jesus warns us about the last days because we will be here until the time of the end. He warns us so we will have faith and strength to endure "to the end". "But for the elect's sake, those days will be shortened." (from 7 to 3 1/2).
It will be no secret (Matthew 24:27) "For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be." Very loud and very bright.
The disciples asked when He's coming. Anyone that still questions this, is now debating with scripture because JESUS tells us, and Jesus is speaking to YOU, to NOT BE DECEIVED. Jesus begins by saying DO NOT BE DECEIVED. Jesus (Matthew 24:29-30) says
29 IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall SEE the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
NO ONE goes before the dead and Jesus, Himself, says FOUR times in John 6, "I will raise them on the LAST DAY". Last Day, last trump (7th). Last is last, and a day is a day, not before and not plural.
John 6:39
39This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the LAST DAY.
John 6:40
40And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the LAST DAY.
John 6:44
44No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the LAST DAY.
John 6:54
54Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the LAST DAY.
And, 1 Corinthians 15:51-52 tells us our body will go from mortal to immortal in a twinkling of an eye. When? At the LAST TRUMP. The dead first, then "we" that are still alive. The last runner in a race, is not the first. Last is last. Last trump, last day. The end of alllllll days. No more chances to change. It's a done deal, judgement is right then and God's wrath is finally that DAY.
51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
Revelation 20:4-6
4And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. THIS IS THE FIRST RESURRECTION. 6Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
Even Martha knew Lazarus would be raised on THE LAST DAY, and Jesus confirmed it. He did not say everyone would be raised earlier, He confirmed HE would be the one to raise everyone at the LAST day.
John 11:24-25
24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the LAST DAY. 25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live.
NOT before the man of sin is revealed.
2 Thessalonians 2:3
3Let NO MAN deceive you by any means: for that DAY shall NOT come, except there come a falling away first, and that MAN OF SIN be REVEALED, the son of perdition;
Revelation 7:14 And I said to him, “Sir, you know.” So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the GREAT TRIBULATION, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Those that are still alive, will go through great tribulation because we are believers in Jesus Christ. Again, Jesus told the disciples they will be KILLED because of their faith in Him.
What people don't emphasize, is how anyone of us could kill over dead any second. Our time to find Him and spread His message is now.
If any of us are still here during that time, we will either be protected ON THIS EARTH (not in Heaven), or killed because we refuse the mark. Again, Moses and God's people were PROTECTED ON THIS EARTH by God. They had light in their dwellings, their cattle didn't have lice, etc..
The 5 foolish virgins thought they were good to go, but found out they were not. All 10 virgins had lamps, but the 5 foolish no longer had oil in theirs (the Holy Spirit). When the bridegroom came, they thought they could fix it, but when they came back, the door was closed and NEVER to open again. A done deal. There is your 'left behind'. We don't get a second chance once Christ comes back on the last day. We have our second and millionth chance now.
Matthew 25:1-13
1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. 2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. 3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: 4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. 5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. 6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. 7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. 8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. 9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. 10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. 11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. 12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
There will be no "left behind" that will get second chances. Our second and millionth chance is now.
Please read what JESUS SAYS. He's warned us so we can prepare in faith like Daniel in the den and the 3 in the fire. When you throw out the pre-trib lie from the devil, the bible will open up to you like it's never done before. It will all make so much since, I promise. We have to have the faith to be ready to die for Him. Peter said he would, but then realized he couldn't and denied Christ 3 times. Peter finally found that much faith in the end.
A "pre-trib rapture" is teaching you to SAVE your life (Those that SAVE their life will LOSE it and those that lose their life will be saved) and not ENDURE to the END (Those that endure to the END will be saved) and NOT be ready to DIE for Christ, but is inventing an easy and cushy way out, that is NOT biblical. A pre-trib is preparing you to believe the FALSE Christ is the real Christ and Jesus warned us He's coming AFTER that false one. Please DO NOT BE DECEIVED. PLEASE WAKE UP!
The Tribulation is for the Jews, AKA Jacobs (Israel) Trouble.
The period of seven years in which Jesus deals with the unbelieving Jews.
Only 1/3 of the Jews will come to faith in Jesus.
Thank you for doing the work to put this here. I just can’t do it anymore. Sad that so many may fall away from the faith because of these end time delusions. God bless you.
@@jackiegreen3444 Thank you for that, it is appreciated. Yes, I hear ya. I’m female and in my 60’s and have never seen such a time as this. I think the biggest wake up call to Christian’s should be when a man can now just ‘say’ he’s now a woman and can go into women’s restrooms, locker rooms, compete against women in sports, have special rights and laws, and on and on. It’s nothing but demonic insanity!
There are so many deceived, but we are so, so close. It’s heartbreaking how many have blinders on and believe the lies of false preachers and even UA-camrs that call themselves prophets. Plus, there are many more out there deceiving than even back when I got so tired of hearing their lies, that I wrote this out. I could have added even more verses regarding it. The word of God is full of them.
If we haven’t taken our last breath before the troubled times of the end, we have to be stronger in our faith more than ever before. Many will probably blame Christ before they’ll blame the liars, when they aren’t raptured away before that time.
May God bless you always. 🙏
The problem is, the " Darby doctrin" wasn't Darbys. The pre nicene church father's widely taught the pre tribulation (harpodzo) ie " being caught up". Here's a shocker! There is more than one rapture! WOW! And here is another shocker! The 1 Thessalonians rapture is not the same event as the Matthew 24 rapture! It is not consistent with God's character to punish the righteous along with the lost! The whole purpose for the tribulation is to bring the lost to repentance. The church doesn't need to be tested or brought to repentance! See Revalations 3:10. This guy and John Rich are wrong! The church is not Isreal and we are not in the tribulation now! The tribulation doesn't start until " the restrainer is removed!!!
Thank you for that truth.
Amen 🙏
We are spared from the wrath of God which is His judgment on all unbelievers whe He Returns not the Tribulation! No one is saying that the Rapture isn't Biblical, a pre-trib Rapture isn't, that's the point.
When does the Rapture occur??? When Jesus ACTUALLY RETURNS!!!
Follow the Text!!
Matthew 24:29-31
[29]“Immediately after the distress of those days
“ ‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’
[30]“Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.
[31]And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and THEY WILL GATHER HIS ELECT FROM THE FOUR WINDS, from one end of the heavens to the other.
🙏 THE LORD’S PRAYER 🙏 Matthew 6:9-13 - After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen. King James Version. ✝️
I find it HILARIOUS that people immediately go to that from 200 years ago... its awful. The fact that people are taking what John Rich says when its clear he is a servant of the world. He doesn't use his power and platform to stand up WHOLLY for the gospel. To insult the Christian to assume they are stupid when Jesus spoke of the rapture, Paul spoke of it and clearly John did as well. If one doesn't support the pre-trib then i ask you to study two points - 1. The difference between the OT Saints, TRIB SAINTS, and the Church because NOT ALL SAINTS are the Church. There is a difference. there are time lines of how God works according to the scriptures starting back in Genesis. Those points need to be carefully examined as well. 2. What is the purpose of the Tribulation? That needs to be examined. The Bride is set apart from the Saints as the first-fruits - We make up the 'body' of Christ and that which the body has already suffered the wrath of God, the tribulation of life Eph 5:22,23; Rom 7:4; 2 Cor 11:2; James 4:4. The Tribulation is the wrath of God on sin. In the eyes of the LORD, His Church has already sufferd because when He sees the BODY, he see's Christ, because of the perfect blood (1 These 5:9, Rev 3:10. This does not apply to the church of Lodecea -the apostate church, and then clearly Thyatira will go as it states in the body of the reference. This is a rough demonstration but what we do know is, everyone goes to Darby and that excuse is warn out. Ask yourself the the difference between the Trib, OT saints and the BRIDE, and what the purpose of the trib is for. It is not for the CHURCH. I can't imagine Jesus saying, ok.. I want you to marry me, I'm going away to prepare you a home, Father is coming to beat the crap out of you and THEN we will get married.. NO. one more thing.. if you wanna take a look at tired out Darby and the Schofield Bible.. take at look at all the others too. Heres the furthest back in history i could find except for Jesus, Paul and John.. --------- By EPHRAIM of NISBIS (306-373) He was a Christian teacher who taught the catching up of the Bride as well - "For all the saints and the Elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins --This was written from one of his sermons entitled On the Last Times, the Antichrist and the End of the World. He was a teacher is the Easter part of the world as the Western part was considerably modern at that the time. If you read in REV, you will see the Lampstands are the Church Rev 3:10; 24 elders represent the redeemed of God (the Bride). John Rich, i loved him when i was in the world.. But i am NOT going to go to someone who has one foot in the world and the 'appearance' of one foot out and let that seal the deal on the very unpopular believe of the PreTrib rapture. He is a worldly man who still lives in the world with a little bit of head knowledge. He use no scripture to back it up. Tucker, (love him) but he is of the LDS/Mormon faith so he is not the soundboard to be having this conversation with. Its like watching two unbelievers groan about what the LORD said and never open the scriptures. MARANATHA to the Church, have your lamps lit, and be ready, the KING IS COMING for HIS Church!
We are spared from the wrath of God, which is His judgment on all unbelievers when He Returns, not the Tribulation! The Tribulation and the wrath of God are 2 separate events. No one is saying that the Rapture isn't Biblical, a pre-trib Rapture isn't, that's the point. The Rapture verses are always connected to the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, not beforehand!
1 Thessalonians 4:15-17
[15]For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep.
[16]For the LORD HIMSELF WILL DESCEND FROM HEAVEN with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the DEAD IN CHRIST WILL RISE first.
[17]Then WE who are ALIVE and REMAIN will be CAUGHT UP(RAPTURED) together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.
1 Corinthians 15:50-53
[50]Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
[51]Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed,
[52]in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, AT THE LAST TRUMPET; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
[53]For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality.
Revelation 11:15-18 confirms when the last trumpet sounds. This last - seventh - trumpet announces the coming of Christ, the establishment of God's Kingdom, the judgment upon the nations, and the rewarding of the saints. They occur simultaneously! The last trumpet sounds when Christ returns, not 3½ years before!
When does the Rapture occur? When Jesus ACTUALLY RETURNS, AT THE LAST TRUMPET!
Follow the Text!!
Matthew 24:29-31
[29]“Immediately AFTER the TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS
“ ‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’
[30]“Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.
[31]And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and THEY WILL GATHER UP(Raptured/Caught Up) HIS ELECT FROM THE FOUR WINDS, from one end of the heavens to the other.
@@giannihatzianmevris1861 20 Come, my people, enter your chambers, and shut your doors behind you; hide yourselves for a little while until the fury has passed by.
21 For behold, the LORD is coming out from his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity, and the earth will disclose the blood shed on it, and will no more cover its slain.
Isaiah 26:20-21
For those That Believe in a Pre Tribulation Rapture. I 🙏 ypur right.I dont however Believe Scriptures back that up,but Do Believe it tells us the opposite.Were here till the 2nd coming n must endure till the end.
Matthew 24
Please review 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 and Revelation 3:10.
@@thomasschiro7755
Have n have reread it .
Niether vs there IMHO or believe n I have asked the Lord to show me if wrong before. Deal with the Pre Or Middle Tribulation Rapture.
Paul in These is reaffirming the 2nd coming Jesus mentions in Matthew 24. Rev vs is letting the Church of Philadelphia know they will be protected when the Tribulation n Judgement day comes.Not that its members won't be on earth during it.
No where in God's Word have I seen yet where it says Before That Day or During that time of Tribulation..Believers will be called up in the clouds after those in the earth n seas are .. I have read as in Matthew 24 n the above That Occurs with the Jesus return 2nd coming.
Irregardless the most important thing is To make sure ones Salvation
N Be Ready. To be steadfast in faith n not faulter. Weather or not we pass before or still here when HE Comes Again. That time is close Close.
Revelation 3:10
10 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.
Tereo ek
tay-reh'-o
Verb
NAS Word Usage - Total: 71
1. to attend to carefully, take care of
a. to guard
b. metaph. to keep, one in the state in which he is
c. to observe
d. to reserve: to undergo something
Ek
ek
Preposition
NAS Word Usage - Total: 62
1. out of, from, by, away from
harpazō
1) to seize, carry off by force
2) to seize on, claim for one' s self eagerly
3) to snatch out or away
I wasn’t aware that John Rich was a trained theologian. I prefer to listen to people who have had extensive training and experience. Even the first century church fathers who studied directly under apostles such as John, believed in a rapture event. If I wanted to listen to a country western song, then I’d turn my ears over to John Rich.
Je didn't say there isn't a rapture. He is explaining why pretrib timing is wrong. Did you even watch it?
He’s absolutely right! John Rich knows his Bible better than most ministers. Escape Theology is not Biblical! Preach it Brother Rich! I used to believe in a rapture apart from the 2nd Coming… then I read my Bible. It’s not there. It’s a heresy.
The Rapture will take place and born again Believers will be taken up. Then comes the Great Tribulation( seven years) on earth. Many will be saved during this time and many will die for their faith. The Tribulation will end when Christ returns to earth.
1 THESSALONIANS 4 "CAUGHT UP"
2 Timothy 4:8
"There is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day; and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing."
My question is the one that so many have......at the second coming it says, it will be as the time of Noah, everyone will be going on about their normal lives, marrying, giving in marriage, doing this doing that, just living normal lives and then.....Bam, the twinkling of eye everything will change.....That is what perplexes me. There is no way that this could be possible at the end. There won't be peace at that time.....how could there be?... I do not think that people will be concerned with getting married and living a long productive life together. This is why people interpret it this fashion....well, one of the reasons.
There is no pre-tribe rapture.
You just said one of the many things that prove Pre-trib to be true.
The ones removed will be the wicked. God tells us the believers will never be removed from the Earth.
Proverbs 10:30 The righteous shall never be removed: But the wicked shall not inhabit the earth. The mouth of the just bringeth forth wisdom: But the froward tongue shall be cut out. The lips of the righteous know what is acceptable: But the mouth of the wicked speaketh frowardness.
@@Jesusl0vesy0u00. Wow that is backwards from what Darby taught. I actually like this version of the rapture.
@@keithdavis7595 pre-tribe was never real, it was always a pipe dream, a get out of jail card.
What are you going to do with the body of Christ who have only read and studied the KJV and know that there is a rapture that's going to happen before the great tribulation?
REmember Satan is the FATHER OF LIES,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, the rapture is true
Because the pre-tribe rapture was crap and is always crap.
Pray that they not be deceived when the beast comes
I use the KJV primarily and have never believed the “pre trib rapture” deception ❤🙏
@@johntandy8918 KJV has many issues
Mr. Rich mentions “when Christ returns…” and says nothing about Him “appearing in the clouds”. Scripture seems to delineate between His appearing in the clouds (to catch us up), and coming back WITH us accompanying Him for War! Yes, we who are here
are suffering even now, but I believe it is those who come to Christ during the Tribulation period who suffer martyrdom.
Even so, to live is Christ, and to die is gain!👐 remember: The enemy thrives on these divisive arguments…🙋🏼♀️MARANATHA❣️🕊