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Let's just move the goalpost. Oh, the goalposts are too small? Well let's just change the rules. Oh the rules don't make sense either? Let me just change fucking maths next.
I thought it was funny that they kept saying they always go for the larger number while simultaneously going for the drastically smaller number on almost everything important.
The interior floor space expands or contracts to suit whatever purpose is needed at the time. A design so successful that Donald Trump incorporated it into all of his properties.
@@CAPSLOCKPUNDIT understandable... It looks like Trump is able to take up more space in your head than what is actually there. We could be talking about a beetle in the rainforest and you would start talking about Trump 🤣
If they took it seriously, they would know that King James translation, which they all peck for quotes, is a pretty loose retelling of the original text, which in turn is known to be heavily edited by politicians 400 years after creation.
@@BarafuAlbino Exactly. There are over 450 versions of the Bible. Some of those are copyrighted: how does one copyright their own version of "God's Eternal and Unchanging Word"? It shows just how nonsensical it all is.
Specially when bible has all fish as fish kind , so salmon (about 40 species of trouts) , eel (about 800 species), and puffer (about 190 species) are same . So it dont matter if i serve puffer fish to Ken Ham & co instead of salmon, its all the same by the bible .
In about another thousand year. A lot of current major religions will become mythology like the Greek or the Roman which were the relgions before Islam, Judaism and Christianity. Whats funny is that these major religions were nothing but considered cults during those times if any existed.... These are probably the last major religions in human history and humanity will eventually will come to an understanding that humanit no longer need religion.... Just wish it could is during my lifetime smh.
Especially when knowing that the myth was not even original, but copied from an earlier one, but modified quite a bit to fit into the gist of the new fan fiction anthology it was now ending up in ...
Just ask these believers why their all powerful, all seeing god couldn't just delete from existence all the people he wanted gone? Surely Noah's yearlong worldwide flood is literally overkill on a massive scale. Pro life? Benevolent? Don't make me laugh.
@@blowc1612It kinda annoys me that even in the 21st century there are still millions of religious people who fail to realize that religions are completely man made things. Even if you only focus on Christianity it's so obvious. How come that it wasn't a thing for thousands of years BC. And even during the first Century AD, very few people knew about Christianity. Isn't that interesting that our supposed God didn't reveal himself for people on the American continent for hundreds of years even after his supposed son was murdered. Almost as if Christianity could only spread if regular mortal human beings preached about it.
For me it is simple: the story was written thousands of years ago by somebody who had no idea whatseover how big the world was, or how many different kinds of animals there were on earth. Having a very small traveled radius during his life, he had only seen a few different types of animals that were local to him. So he dreamt up the dimensions of the ark thinking he was on the safe side. Little did he know, the earth was much, much bigger than he thought, and there were many, many more different types of animals on the earth that he could ever dream of.
Also, the guy writing it down wasn't the one who came up with the story. There wasn't even a single guy who came up with it - as with all myths. It was passed down from generation to generation, with each person retelling it from memory, embellishing it both consciously and subconsciously, etc. etc. So I'd wager the numbers we have are primarily influenced by factors like "which numbers seem symbolically significant to the last oral reteller" and "which numbers are easier to remember for people from that culture". I wouldn't be surprised if people back then never even thought about taking those numbers literally. Instead, they prolly understood them as a fancy and vague way of saying "big" (sort of like saying "it's over 9000" or "giving it 110%").
The Flood myth didn't even start with the Bible, it was first recorded in the Epic of Gilgamesh in which Utnapishtim recounts how he was told by the god Enki to build a great boat and take all the animals of the field within because the world was going to be flooded. The story is about 1,000 years older than the writings of Genesis.
yea, the point is though that whoever thought up the flood story had no idea that there were Koala bears and Tree Sloths, etc., as they really only knew the animals around them, and probably assumed they were the same everywhere. If the huge diversity was already known at the time, most likely the story would have never been told, since there would have been a lot of questions raised already back then.
I was looking for this reply. I am around many many religious people and every one I have talked to had something similar. Most believe God talked to Noah, but that he built a large boat and pull all regional animals he could find. None of them believe he put all animals on earth on the boat.
@@ghotihook yes, this is my experience too. However, it also implies that most people actually don't really believe in the Bible at all, at least the way it is meant to be believed. Seems to be that such an important book shoudl be an "all or nothing" type of deal, and it essentially defeats the purpose of the book when everybody picks and chooses for themselves what to believe and what not to believe.
So they accept evolution when it helps them explain away all their ridiculous religious notions, but the refuse ut otherwise because only God can "create". Sounds about right.
They will claim it was not evolution but adaptation without being able to understand that evolution is adaptation. Adaptation requires the passing on of heritable features that change behaviour or physical properties, defined on a christian web site. Just don't call it evolution if you want to keep them happy. They think it does not result in new species appearing.
Not only that - but the "post flood evolution" would have to produce the exact same variations as pre-flood. I.e. from the dog pair you would get; wolves, dingo, foxes, etc. From two cats; lions, panthers, tigers, lynx, etc. EXACTLY the same that existed pre-flood. If this would have any sort of merit - one would expect to see two completely different types of animals before and after.
@jarls5890 Although I can understand that argument. Someone who believes in creation would not. They don't believe in evolution. They believe that the genetic code has a little bit of wiggle room, which accounts for the different types of species under the same kind even though they won't explain what a kind is. As far as they're concerned, having a pair of dogs would eventually pretty all the different types of animals that could be classified as dogs. Because god is directing it. By that, they would literally just have him a litter of pups that could have a wolf, a dog, and a coyote. Scientifically, it makes no sense. It's literally magic. Or miracles because god did it.
1) the flood would have killed so much plant life, thus the herbivores would have nothing to eat after. 2) The flood would have made everything salt water--so why are there freshwater fish still? 3) The carnivores need to eat other animals to stay alive--so he would have needed even more animals on the ark to feed them!
Your second point isn't exactly true. Bodies of water that get separated for a long time from the ocean become less salinized USUALLY. You are right, but that second point isn't entirely accurate.
@@maozedong8370 also the flood was caused by rain, so basically distilled water. 40 days of rain plus 150 days of full flood would not dissolve that much salt out of the ground quickly I'd say
So let me get this straight. Only a few "kinds" of animals were onboard. Right with him so far. But why are there no explanation on how those few "kinds" turned into all the species we see today? Is it because that would actually need evolution? Or is evolution fine with them when it fits their beliefs? And they can't even hear how ridiculous their beliefs are.
I'd expect some word salad about "micro" and "macro" .... As far as I remember from some video tour through that "Arch museum" they even had per-kind "trees of life" on display at some point?
"Capt'n, there be whales here!" - Scotty Okay, so how did Noah get TWO whales on board the ark without a helicopter? And, sharks have to keep swimming to stay alive, did Noah build a special tank for them? Did he also rescue two giant squid - the most elusive creatures in the sea? And seriously, did the flood affect creatures living MILES down at the bottom of the oceans? Being an ignorant bronze age author is perfectly fine and acceptable. The limitations oif knowledge and experience are understandable. Being a gullible modern age religious zealot, especially one who bilks money from ignorant people, to create a misrepresentation of a misrepresentation of a myth - and then claiming it is absolute truth -- is inexcusable.
The whales, dolphins, etc, would still have to be saved, along with many other fish, as the waters, apparently would have boiled from such an impossible flood.
So let me get this straight. 5,000 years ago, Noah and his ark allowed 1,400 "kinds" of animals to survive. And since then, mutation and natural selection was able to allow enough speciation to get us millions of different species? And they think evolution over billions of years is far fetched?
@@ComeJesusChristThe IUCN Red List tracks the number of described species and updates this figure annually based on the latest work of taxonomists. In 2021, it listed 2.13 million species on the planet.
MAGIC is always good, because we came from clay, so of course magic is real, we are the product of a lineage of talking snakes, donkeys, and inbreeding. It all makes perfect sense, right?
@@nunya_bizniz Thank you for Googling it. How many are they actually listing and how many of their claimed figures relate to land-based animals with or without insects and the kind?
If there was a museum in the shape of the shoe where the old lady lived, how many children fit in the house? and how old was she? The Word of Mother Goose says: "she had so many children, she didn't know what to do" Skeptics say it's just a poem so it doesn't matter, but some have estimated that she was 69 and the children were grown up, so she didn't know if she should send them to find a job or to get married. Others believe they were little children she had stolen from villages, and some that they were adopted. There are many Goosian denominations and they all disagree. Me, personally I can't believe actual adults are discussing these things with a straight face.
This. This is exactly what their nonsense bible stories and debates about them sound like. And this story is more likely to be true: we at least know that old women are real which is more than can be said for Noah.
@@pearcat08 A six hundred year old Noah, no less. When I asked a (former) friend of mine about the Noah age thing, her answer was, "people lived longer back then". Of course I pointed out that evidence clearly shows something quite the opposite, she responds with, "I'll ask my pastor". So, too scared to even think for herself. Seventh Day bloody adventist.
That must have been one hell of a big shoe she and the kids lived in! Maybe Ken Ham will start a new attraction - "The Shoe Encounter" - with dinosaurs because - growl.
Every time I encounter such a person online I know that a discussion is futile. That person has left the realm of reason. It is impossible to argue with that type.
@@mczeljk Oh? So u must believe we magically "evolved" from a rock, huh?! Naah boi, God "created" us from a rock...totally different!! One is based on some fantasy shit written by an old, beardy dude. And the other one is based on the 100% infallible, true word of the allmighty Jahve, ᵉᵛᵉⁿ ᵗʰᵒ ᵗʰᵉʳᵉ ʳ ˢᵒ ᵐᵃⁿʸ ᵈᶦᶠᶠᵉʳᵉⁿᵗ ᵛᵉʳˢᶦᵒⁿˢ ᵒᶠ ᶦᵗ...
The dietary laws of Judaism (the thing that created Clean and Unclean animals) didn’t exist at the time of the flood in the timeline that they present.
Even as a fairy tale it falls flat. There's no value in it, even if you just take it as a metaphor. This is what I don't understand about the story. We're supposed to be impressed by the ark story and gods forgiveness, but he caused the flood as punishment, and then still required animal sacrifices afterwards from the very people that 'found favour with they lord'. But the worst of all is that the plan failed, miserably.
the story isn't even original to the bible, but is based upon the flood myth in the Epic of Gilgamesh, which was written around a thousand years before the earliest biblical texts! 😂
@@MagentaMoonshadow Yeah, apologists do acknowledge this, but they cast doubt on whether it is legitimate or not; usually citing edits and heroic amplification as reasons to not take it seriously - as if the sceptic believes that the flood in the Epic of Gilgamesh really happened. If only they critiqued their own text with as much vigor.
@@JulioGarcia-pj8rq Of course there IS a debate whether the flood happened. It didn't. There simply is not enough water to cover the entire earth. Plus sea water covering the earth would kill most species and their seeds.
Yeah, that'll be addressed in the Brand New Testiment, which will act a bit like that Back to the Future Sequel, and will correct any errors, and add side-stories to the first two books. My guess is a second Ark!!! It sounds cliche now, but back then it was an original idea. So Ark 2 is the plants and trees version. And of course, like the animals, the plants and trees came to Lola (I'm assuming this Ark will be run by a woman; the writers, er god, have to recognise how sexist his original two novels were and give women a little more to do in the third book).
@@JulioGarcia-pj8rq You're right, it's not a debate that the flood happened. It didn't. The entire global flood story is totally absurd...and on multiple levels.
@@JulioGarcia-pj8rq Trees and palnts can drown from too much water. Every dam ever built demonstrates that fact. When there is a drought and the water lever in the dam falls, the plants and treees never grow back. When there is a major river floodind and the waters don't recede for several days or weeks, many plants and crops die and don't come back. The whole idea of the flood is preposterous.
@@Scanner9631I like how he specifically mentioned "dogs, dingoes and wolves" that literally are all the same canis lupus species. Weird how the only example he gives is only one that has some basis in reality.
I have a far more pressing question concerning the Fake Ark: It took 1000 master craftsmen two years to build it. Using power tools and pre-fab materials. They got food and shelter catered to them. They had cranes to lift material, bulldozers to level the area and various other machines. And it took 2000 man-years to build it. Now let's take a look at Noah. Noah had his sons and bronze age tools to build his ark. He had to set aside time to tend to his flocks and cultivate his land, because he also needed to eat during the build. I don't think I need to go into detail why I want to thank Mr. Ham for single-handedly proving the impossibility of the biblical narrative of the Ark. Do I?
Yeah, these guys take it way too literally... It's just like the creation myth, many of them think that happened literally too....but even the ancients would have known that it didn't happen literally, I mean, they would have encountered snakes and know that they don't talk.... (that's just one of many obvious problems.) Where you and I might disagree is that I think there's a God out there. I'm a Deist (means I think there is a God out there but don't subscribe to any organized religion). But I definitely agree with you that fundamentalism doesn't make any sense; those stories were not intended literally. They are fiction, meant to teach spiritual lessons. 🙂
The rules they make up about biology don’t apply to people. Also, “kind” is a flexible term that means whatever the creationist needs it to mean at that moment.
A cynic would suggest that it was because he liked incest. So, enjoying the antics of Adam and Eve so much, he had to kill everybody else so that Noah and family could indulge in further incest.
Amusement! If you can do anything and will live forever, I guess organising every species you've created on a planet to accumulate in one location is probably an interesting project for a short time. I agree with you, when you've created trillions upon trillions of stars, each with their own set of planets and moons, and can fill any one of them with millions of species of animal, it makes you wonder why you wouldn't just delete the failed one, learn from your mistakes and do a better job with the next.
@@dedewunjo426No. Because there are other historic documentation of this so-called 'flood'... and physical evidence of a massive rise in sea level eleven thousand years ago. If you're trying to suggest I hold the bible in any sort of regard, you're wasting your time. Until I started taking an interest in evidence of a previous, technologically advanced civilisation that were all but wiped out from this cataclysmic event I've always believed the bible to essentially be a book of BS! I've since learnt that all of the diety, miracle and ridiculous stories are essentially the result of poor translation from what the bible is based on. And this may well explain lots of the fantastical and outrageous stories and events. So, don't be c***, I'm no religious nutter, thank you very much.
Christians have proposed that the various species got from the middle east to their homes around the world by being on volcanoes that blasted them all over the world (without incinerating them or killing them with the impact of landing or suffocating on ballistic paths that took them to outer space). So if it can take Koalas TO Australia why couldn't they take them TO Noah?
They're so selectively inconsistent with what they will and won't accept from science, everyday language and common sense. If "species" is a no-no, then why and how do you believe in other taxa that biologists came up with? Why try to find a place for "kinds" in that taxonomy? Why trust material science and basic physics when you need to engineer "the ark" in such a way that it doesn't immediately collapse, but not on a hundred other issues, like carbon dating, the age of different rocks and bones we find in the ground, etc? This is so confusing. Just like with flerfers, who sometimes believe in random-ass things like ground surveying and a website that tracks planes and flights, but not gravity, or telescopes, or diffraction.
Wait a minute... creationists don't believe in evolution, so what is their explanation for how these singular "kinds" produced so many different species of animals over a few thousand years? Aren't the creationists always saying that all of the animals that are around today have always been around and were created by god?
Micro vs macro. They except evolution like rabbits evolving new colors of hair or changing sizes. But they won't except animals changing their kind. They are idiots. So all canines can evolve into other types like wolves dogs and foxes but they won't change what kind of animal they are. Of course they struggle with kind. They use the word but can't tell you what defines a kind because as soon as they do you can come up with all sorts of "kinds" that don't fit their definitions.
AiG avoids calling it evolution, instead just calls it adaptation. In essence they ascribe to hyper evolution to go from their minimum "Kinds" to the current number of species.
the reasonable ones do, they just think that's not where it started, so the creatures were created, then evolved from there, still crazy imo, but slightly more reasonable
For this type of creationist, "The Theory of Evolution" covers any idea on the origins of the universe that doesn't fit a literal interpretation of Genesis 1, from the Big Bang to stellar formation to abiogenesis. They will usually try to differentiate between 'evolution' and 'change over time through natural selection'.
@@michaelrager3502Why does the word of god need translating at all? Translations are so, so unreliable and hard to do. So full of human error. Have you ever tried speaking a foreign language, or at least using Google Translate? Don't you feel uneasy at the thought of someone trying to translate the word of god sitting there with a dictionary and a grammar book, not even having access to the original? Because we don't have an "original" bible, we only have copies of copies of copies, translated and re-translated hundreds of times, written hundreds, sometimes thousands of years after the events they purport to describe.
He unironically listed off almost a dozen versions of the "inerrant word of god" and then just moved on as if the very existence of different versions of the Bible weren't a huge problem.
It'd really blow his mind to find out that translation has been changing it for centuries. In the original text, God created the world in six... periods of time. One valid translation of that is "days", yes. And that's the one they went with because if your God takes "days" to make the whole world and the other guy's God takes longer, then you win the theological pissing match!
Any Christian that believes the Noah's Ark story to be a literal story have already lost the plot of "God's word (written by man) and ignorantly ignore the lessons taught not only by the Noah story, but all the allegories taught in the Bible, none of which were ever meant to be taken as literal factual truth.
Agreed. "Any Christian" should be troubled that they could be taking the lord's name in vain, if they need to back engineer and explain such a myth of dubious origin. We know the story of Noah has Sumerian origins, we know there were catastrophic floods of the Tigris and Euphrates in pre-literate times, we know that the Black Sea was enlarged and flooded during times of thriving Human settlement (when the Mediterranean Sea breached the Dardanelles). Flood myths abound throughout the world, not because there was one flood, but Humans, wherever they were in the post Ice Age world, encountered many different floods, each making a huge impression on the cultural history of the people involved. Maybe the allegory of Noah's Ark was look after nature, and be prepared for the unexpected, but definitely not build a theme park.
What is the moral lesson of Noah's ark? That if you dislike how something you made turns out, you should destroy it and start over, even if it means killing countless innocent people, including infants and children, along with those whom you despise? That if you're obedient God will save you from the atrocity he inflicts on everyone else? These are not good lessons.
Ancient myth: "God gets frustrated with humans being evil, kills all but a handful of them and other animals, realizes that He _massively_ overreacted because A) the animals did nothing wrong and B) human free will means the capacity for evil is a feature not a bug, promises humans that He won't cause so much collateral damage in the future, signs that promise with a rainbow." Most ancient-to-modern Abrahamic religious people: "This was where Y*hw*h started to become more patient with his children and accepting their foibles, and (pre-optics) explains why rainbows happen." YECs: "This literally happened going by our literal reading so we are literally better than any of you literally unsaved literal heathens, and we get to control your lives because God made us literal hegemons."
My problem with 10:20 is: Not every animal that lives in water can survive in both salt-water AND fresh-water. So, whether you want to say that the flood was a salty ocean or a massive lake of fresh water, one or the other is going to die. And when the Earth is all dried up again, a lot of those animals are going to be stranded on land and die. While we're on this topic, how did he assume all insect life can survive a flood? I know bees can't. And what are those insects going to eat for that 40 days? The more I talk of this, the more problems I want to bring up. What did the carnivorous animals on the Ark eat? How did the plants survive? (If you are not a gardener, a lot of plants can't handle a lot of water, not to mention being submerged in it for 40 days) All those plants would also be obliterated by the insane pressure levels at teh bottom of that ocean. How does anyone see this as plausible?
@ThePhoenixSlayer It's worse than that, by a lot. it rained for forty days and nights (Genesis 7:12). BUT the water flooded the earth for 150 days (Genesis 7:24) It's not clear if that followed the 40 days of rain, if it did, then we are talking 190 days flooded. BUT the water took an additional 3 months to recede so that the tops of mountains were visible. (Oddly this is after the ark landed on a mountain)
They can cover a fair distance. Obviously not that much but I'd still bet more on them than koalas. Koalas, as Dan pointed out, sleep a lot of the day and only eat specific leaves. Where did Noah get the leaves from to feed the koalas? Did they also make their way to Noah?
Not only kangaroos, but all marsupials collectively decided to go to Australia without leaving any trace behind on their journey. Apart from 2 species that turned north, made it across the Bering Strait and down into America
Ah yes of course! It makes complete sense. Noah just had 2 Syrian brown bears that somehow gave birth at least 2 panda bears 2 polar bears not to mention 2 American black bears that decided first to swim over the Atlantic. Creationists always try to disprove evolution, yet somehow animals in their stories evolve faster than Pokémon's
Seems like every one of them that tries to disprove evolution always characterizes it as if some sort of Pokemon-like pace is exactly what everybody in favor of evolution actually believes it to be about. They talk about it as if somebody told them "you were born as a monkey and spontaneously changed into a human when you went through puberty". They skip over any and all mention of anything along the lines of processes that can take thousands of generations to add up to a small change in a population and even longer to add up to something more significant. In their eyes, surely we must be suggesting that one single animal can just randomly out of nowhere transform into a completely different animal one or more times in its own lifetime. In their eyes, that's the argument to get upset about and put effort into disproving. In their eyes, nothing was ever mentioned about it taking longer than that or about it being more about trends in a large population.
Exactly! Them that be screaming evolution is fake, now pulling out animal family charts to justify their fantasy! Lol! Can they get any more pathetic! 😂😂😂😂
Why did youtube show me a rant posted as the only reply to a comment that wasn't mine...? Wait, I did post a response here about the Pokemon-like nonsensical mistaken reasoning they like to pretend that their opposition is pushing, didn't I? It seems to have been deleted.
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fake ark? which one? all of them are fake. None of them really existed. Not the one in the bible, and not the one created of modern technology and methods, taking so many manhours of power it would have been impossible back in the ancient days.
@@realtsarbomba The ark encounter is half a boat. The "ark" had to be made in a way that it was supported on the back so it would stay standing. They tried to keep some *representative* animals in there, but had to move them outside, It was too much work to keep the animals inside for the 20 or so workers. There are almost no windows or doors in the "traditional ark". Where did they put the massive piles of poo? (It would have been impossible to breathe in a week) My two horses and seven to ten sheep eat 5 tons of hay every year. 5 tons, baled and stacked takes up an area about 7x10x15 feet. Multiply that by how many animals? (Oh by the way, hay wasn't baled back then so took about twice as much space.) And what did the carnivores eat? Oh, yeah, it was a miracle.(magic)
09:56 "No insects were taken"......"Enough food for all the kinds on board" Does that include food for the insectivore animal kinds? 2:26 "....of every creeping thing of the ground......" refutes his own statement?
@@davemaciver3681even if they were all under divine control to be perfecr guests the sheer volume would be too great. Unless the ark was like a bag of holding.
@@wittyjoker4631 None of me thinks it's at all feasible or real. But from a story telling perspective this is a solution to the food problem that works.
@@EVPaddy I don't think it's real. I'm purely saying it was a good story explanation for that one problem. Apart from the animals having nothing to eat there's also a bunch of incest about to happen and no species has a viable population.
🎶 There were green alligators, and long-neck geese, some humpy-back camels and some chimpanzees.🎶 You talk unicorns and Noah's arc and that song plays on repeat in my mind 😂
I grew up on a ranch in Montana with 1000 cows. We fed them 110 80 lb. bails every other day and a truck load of pellets every other day in the winter.
And religion mocks the concept of the universe coming from a singularity, knowing full well that the food on the Ark must have been produced from thin air! Actually I think this ties in with the world's first superhero, Jesus, and his amazing trick of turning things into something else. I wonder if he wasn't the second superhero, with the Ark actually home to the first, Noah, and he had the ability to turn a grain of sand into a meal for a million animals!
@@mrscience1409 Of course. The most amusing aspect to religion to me is the whole concept of worship, and building churches, etc. I don't know, I'm pretty sure if the universe and trillions upon trillions of stars within were created by someone, who also filled a planet with millions of species, giving one a slightly higher level of intelligence (at the outrageous detriment of having the worst hearing, eyesight, strength, etc) I'm not sure why they would care for their little mud-created people to pay them much attention. And if that were a concern, why not mould them to all be worship obsessed! The whole concept is as weird as it is illogical.
Question for Ken Ham: why has your life size model Ark got no animals on it? Is it because even with modern machinery and automation, 8 people couldn't look after that many animals for a year (even if they were allowed daily resupply drops by huge trucks with food, water and medicines)
"Ok, so with a heart made of coal we know the Grinch would be a carbon based lifeform, and while many a skeptic has said that coal is too rigid a material to be useful as a heart because it wouldn't be able to pump blood, that means he survived via plasmo-electronic energy distribution, which, when considering the higher salt content of the air due to the rising waterlevels, could only..."
The people who think Atlantis was real are effectively arguing a Dr. Seuss book. Dr. Seuss wrote allegories -- and that's what Atlantis was. It was a warning to the people of Athens not to become an Imperial power, that it would bring their downfall. They ignored it. (BTW -- first "war for oil"? Athens conquered an island with tar seeps, because they didn't have enough pine trees to produce pine tar for their ships.)
What about sea life that go up for oxygen or the lung fish that wriggles on land for a bit . How about those that need to live in fresh water or less oxygenated water or salt water etc And what about bees? Or parasites that need to live on animals , lice too
Umm. So, we are to assume an all powerful, perfect loving, all knowing god couldn't provide accurate, non contradictory, and simple to understand information in his book? Let alone somehow he didn't know what humanity was going to do and he decided to punish the unborn, young children, and every other living thing on earth. Perfect love? Right. Sure. I want to worship that thing.
At least they accept evolution, i mean if there was only 2 dogs alive 4,500 years ago and they became the 100’s of breeds and species that exist, wouldn’t that be irrefutable evidence of evolution?
You think the Ark is far fetched but what you have to grasp is adults with apparent working brains believe it and defend it. Humans ability to believe literally anything is outstanding.
@@davedixon2068 But he's real, you can hate his every bone but he's still real. Having said that wtf are you bringing him into this, I guess you have tds, you can get medication to help you get past obsessions.
@@ernsailor9041I think maybe you misinterpreted the last guys comment? I don't know for sure, but if someone says "Trump cult" I would imagine they are more likely speaking of the people who think Trump is literally the messiah, anointed by God to lead the country. It doesn't take an obsessed Trump hater to think of that group when someone brings up people believing literally anything. You could even support Trump and still think it's unreasonable to worship the guy as a literal deity. Personally I couldn't care less about American politics, the whole thing seems to send people loopy defending their personal favourite team while condemning the exact same behaviour when it's the other team.
@@ernsailor9041 you brought up humans believing everything they are told I simply gave a current example of people believing rubbish spouted by a con man
@@davedixon2068 Is Trump your first thought for any statement someone makes, my condolences if so it must be rough with him living in your head for free.
Same here. I remember sitting in church as a kid and thinking: what is all this nonsense? The whole religion thing never stuck to me. And I couldn’t be happier about it (59 now)
love how they conveniently gloss over the fact that a significant number of undersea life can only survive in fresh water, not salt water that the global ocean would have been. And that would be the lower number of marine animals needed because if they want to somehow make the global ocean fresh water than even more marine animals cannot survive in that
I suspect it's actually a negligible amount of undersea life that can only survive in fresh water. :) Other than that quibble about wording ("undersea" sounds like a Germanic synonym for the Latinate "marine", not a synonym for "aquatic"), yes, most freshwater creatures can't survive in salt water and most ocean creatures can't survive in fresh water-and those that can switch often need time and/or specific conditions to adapt to the change that the flood wouldn't have given them.
It's clear this story came from humans and not God, as the ancient people probably saw all aquatic life as just needing water, and didn't realize plants were alive. So them surviving a flood was not even a problem
Yep, especially with the Doctors tardis stuck at imitating a wooden structure on the outside ... it all makes sense now ;) Now when is that episode going to air, and how do they plan to get the elephants and the rhinos through the outer door? :o
God did pull out the Holy Bath Plug from the centre of the flat earth making it possible for the vortex to get rid of all the human/animal corpses and the water to flow away. BUT WAIT! How did the fishes of the sea and all the insects that God saw fit to leave off the Ark survive being flushed??? What a complete crock of shite!
The flood lasted 371 days just the food for all the animals would be in comprehensive. Especially back in that time. In today's modern world you would not be able to get food for that long for that many animals. You're telling me they were able to back when all they had was hunting and gathering
This is a case of the inmates trying to run the asylum. "We're not crazy for believing this book; you're crazy for not believing. Now, I have some goats to sacrifice."
even if you have "two of every kind", you put two elephants, two rhinos, two hippos, two giraffe, two bears, two Capybara, two horses, two cows, two Bison, two water buffalo, etc. on there, you're going to start running out of room rather quickly (ignoring that a single breeding pair of anything is functionally extinct, especially large mammals).
SciManDan - That text at (Gen. 7:2-3) wouldn't mean: "77." Hebrew would word that number as: "seventy & seven." Usually, when Hebrew has two words [numbers, etc.) side by side, then we add the word "by" in between them or translate the first word as: "every." - - "Seven seven" likely means" "seven by seven" or "every seven." - Other examples include: "one one" i.e. "each one" and "man man" i.e. "every man" (Ex. 36:4), "day day" i.e. "day BY (after) day" (Gen. 39:10; Ex. 16:5), etc. The Aramaic language also has that grammatical style. See "two two" i.e. "two by two" (Lucas 10:1). The Hebrew word MIN [מִין] means: "KIND (sort, variation)" hence: “species.” It has the same pronunciation as another Hebrew word: מִן MIN [minus the middle YOD] "FROM (of, etc.)." The Hebrew word מִין MIN "species, kind" probably literally means: "the thing from" or "what comes from something else." The Hebrew & Greek words ZAN / GENOS are synonyms and also mean: “kind (sort)” or “various (diverse) kind.” The kinds (sorts) can refer to: “humans, demons, species, produce or spices, etc.” (2 Chron. 16:14; Ben Sira 13:14-15 [19-20]; Matt. 13:47; Mk. 9:29; etc.). Think of every KIND of apple, every KIND of dog, every KIND of human, etc.
There was a documentary on the building,hundreds of workers with modern tools and cranes transporting hundreds of tones of wood hundreds of miles and it still took years.
The fact he convinced the weak minded to give money to building an utterly pointless boat that doesn't float Why can't he now fill it with the animals and see how the place looks after a week
@@problemchild1976 I worked on a dairy farm in my youth, even with multiple windows and fans, it STANK after just one day. No way did ALL those animals NOT make the Ark uninhabitable after just one day with one small window and no fans.
@@Mark_Agamotto1313_Smith exactly - 8 people on board to feed, water and muck out all those animals. I mean the fresh water requirements would have been massive
One who offered free ice cream to the parents of a child killed at his place of business and one who invites known child predators to the place he built to attract children
So back in the day when I was in college, I took a class run by a Jesuit Priest (basically a super catholic) that was addressing the bible critically as a work of literature. Tear down the stories, where they came from, what they mean, known errors in translations, open discussion of what is actual fact and what is not, etc. I'm not a religious person, but one thing I've always admitted was that was probably the most fun and informative class I have ever taken, and I'm glad I got talked into it. I really did enjoy breaking the bible down in a much more substantive way than "just trust me, bro." Now regarding the Noah's ark story, the general consensus was that it was an old tale passed down from Mesopotamia (the greek word for the area), likely even before civilization existed there in the capacity that let us call it the cradle of civilization, and like most of Christianity, the symbology and days of significance were borrowed or mirrored in such a way that it would be easy to convert others to the faith since they really didn't have to learn anything new outside of changing the words. Christmas happens in the winter when people gave each other gifts to help them through the winter, now it's an act of the three wise men giving infant Jesus gifts. Easter happens during the spring festival times when animals give birth and seedlings start to sprout, but also an important religious day because it was the day Jesus rose from the dead, for example... So lifting the tale from oral history and converting it to Christian symbology is well within the realm of plausibility, dare I say, that's exactly what happened. So, (pre) mesopotamia, on both sides is the Tigris and Euphrates rivers. If you know the rivers have flooded in the past because you've seen it happen when this amount of dark clouds daily early in the growing season when the air starts to warm means lots of rain and the rivers will be mad and give you all the water they cannot hold, basically flooding will happen when there are a lot of early storms... It doesn't take a genius to read the weather in a broad sense like this. Should those rivers overflow, your whole world, everything you know, becomes flooded for days. Include exaggerations because we are talking oral history and that fish you caught grows by a few inches every year that you retell the story, and you end up with rains for 40 days and nights, and flooding for just as long, but it's not inconceivable that a couple of weeks of intense river overflowing levels of rain caused flooding that lasted for a fair few days as well. The story claims the whole world flooded, but the reality is the oral history probably said "our world flooded." because, their world, the small piece of the whole world that they lived on, probably did rain and flood and at some point a mistranslation or mistelling of the story changed the words up a bit into the tale we have now. Cool, we have a backdrop for the story that is at least plausible. Within the fertile valley, there really aren't a whole lot of variety of animals, at least not very many that ancient peoples would care to bother noticing... Couple dozen more or less. They have no idea, Australia exists, no idea the americas exist, no idea India exists, no idea Europe exists, no idea Africa exists, no idea Asia exists, no idea antarctica exists... They may have heard stories here and there of far off places as people move around, but none of these would be discussing the more than 100 types of penguins, much less a Komodo dragon or a dodo bird. Those are all way too far away. Maybe they've heard of a giraffe or an elephant, but most likely not, and they certainly wouldn't be looking out for one either when they pass the story down to the next generation. So building an "ark" to hold two of every animal when you're talking about only 30-40 animals capacity at most (many of them being really small) becomes a lot more plausible. Couple rabbits, couple gazelle, couple desert foxes, couple desert rats, couple of whatever livestock they may have had there back in those days... Some doves and other birds, 8 humans... Building an ark with the capacity for that is entirely doable and doesn't need to be some gigantic monstrosity that gives the 1800's British Admiralty a major case of penis envy because this thing dwarfs even their largest dreadnaughts. Great, now we have set pieces for the story that are within the realm of plausibility as well. Then we have the Christianity influences. God warning Noah in advance to build the ark and tells him how to build it, instead of dude wants to build a really big river barge because he see's the cloudy days and knows rains are coming and last time the rivers flooded, he lost everything, so he builds one, potentially years in advance of the flooding. God said to collect two of every animal instead of guy collected breeding pairs of his farm animals knowing bad rains were coming and stuffed them on his barge as a bet against flooding wiping out his farm again. God instructed him to put his family on the ark before it floods instead of the rivers overflowed and his family all got on his river barge to wait it out because they aren't stupid and they stopped making fun of him for building his boat and started celebrating his forward thinking, even passed the tale down in oral history. God said release the birds and wait for them to return with fruits from the trees that in reality would have washed away in order to gauge the flood ending, or perhaps, the birds just flew away and got their own food because the tall trees were just fine and the fruits and seeds were unaffected and they came back with seeds from bushes that were under water yesterday because the water was receding letting him know the flooding was over... God told Noah and his family to release the animals and repopulate the earth instead of lots of other people in the area made it through just fine, though maybe not as well off as this guy who was prepared for this eventuality, otherwise the massive inbreeding would have doomed the human race right then and there. So we can see where the religious aspects are shoved in for effect, and ignoring them allows us to see the story for something that could have plausibly actually happened. All in all, once you dig into the story and strip out all of the extra stuff and tone the narrative down, it does become an interesting little story that can give you a brief hint at what life was way back in the day for the people that lived there at the birth place of civilization during a natural disaster.
It is fascinating how easily a story can change and shift over time. The core of the idea could make sense. A guy built a big barge and his family and some of their livestock survived a massive flood. Over time that gets stretched and exaggerated. The issue is that many people, like the guy in this video, believe the inflated version as fact. Ignoring the fact that it was written down a LONG time ago and translated to different languages (which is another way details can change), over and over again. Then the fact that the original written version was based on an oral tradition going back who knows how many generations.
I APPLAUD YOUR COGNITIVE BREAKDOWN! I am lucky, I had no religion forced upon me, and never felt a desire to succumb, but attended several 'masses' and always poked fun at the silly priest in that ridiculous garb, and the trinkets used to validate his narrative. The neighbor, turned priest, survived on pan handling! Free room and board, free food, all paid for by the sheep in attendance. TOP NOTCH RUSE!
Myself and a bunch of my atheist friends went to see the “Ark”. Lmao! I wore my “Warning: Scathing Atheist” t-shirt. We weren’t rowdy, we did laugh because of course we did, and we lasted a half hour before they asked us to leave. It’s a ridiculous place that’s filled with lies. Disgusting.
this is why it is better to have an unwritten Constitution - you don't get caught up in and trapped by the power of the written word. If the Israelites had stuck to oral tradition they would be nothing but an obscure footnote in world history but once their most skilfull literary storytellers put it all down on the page (scroll?) in black and white, it could be endlessly copied and escape its original context. and voila 2,500 years later you have grown adults banging on about 'God's Word' and missing the point completely ...
Aussie here Dan.A koala is just a koala,not a koala bear.Its related to kangaroos and bandicoots. Secondly,the bloke said the whole world was an ocean,so just how did the fresh water variety live?
Layers naturally. The salt water at the bottom and a thin fresh water layer at the top. There wouldn't be any turbulence or osmosis spreading the salt through it all of course for - reasons. Lets Noah have fresh water too.
The really stupid thing about the whole "clean" bit is that the time of the fictional character "noah" was about 1,000 years before the time of the fictional "moses" - so the rules about what is clean weren't in existence yet.
The really stupid thing about your comment is that jews kept kosher before Moses. some may say it goes back to Abraham others to the garden of eden. but nevertheless it wasn't put into writing until the tanakh around 450 b.c.e. during the first exile when they decided to presurver the "oral law"
Funny he mentioned bats, because the bible states that they’re birds. The bible also thinks that insects have only 4 legs, and that Pi equals just 3, etc, etc…. Yet apologists will cling to these fairytales and insist they’re true, along with talking donkeys, snakes and bushes.
You just have to see how he switches between "loving good" and "I smash you all to pieces and start over" ever so often in the old testament, even when sticking with just one version of the Old Testament, shows as much.
Several Unionist politicians, including government members, here in Northern Ireland are Creationists. Always baffled how people who believe the Universe is 6,000 years old can end up running a country.
What always surprises me in the Ark discussion is how nobody seems to mention aquatic creatures and plantlife ? Saltwater creatures wont do well in fresh water and vice versa , so they have to be on the Ark ? ( All the waters will mix so selenity levels will change ) Plants too dont handle being under water for a prolonged period of time , especially under a great depth of water where they will not only "drown" but aldo lose the abillity to photo synthesise so they will die ? Also salt water on plants seems to be hurting them ?
WAIT, wait, wait! Isn't an argument of anit-evolutionists that "no species ever gave birth to a different one"? So how do we get wolves from JUST one pair of dogs? 🤥
@@reesbritton6623 You realize that I was making fun of what anti-evolutionists/creationists say and that I refered to the fact that this creationist talked about "dogs"? Sooo... let's try that again! 🤣
using their own numbers 6744 animals 8 people on the ark 24 hours a day that would give each person 843 animals per day to look after 34 animals per hour every animal gets 2 mins of time to clean and feed this is only possible if all 8 people dont sleep /eat /get sick or go to the toilet and they needed to do this at this speed for a year
I don't think you know that Ken ham is a Young Earth Creationist. He believes dinosaurs lived alongside humans. I've seen a video by Gutsick Gibbon who went to the Ark Encounter. The are spaces for dinosaurs.
Clearly when god told all those pairs (or sevens) of kinds of animals to go to Noah's place, and to behave and not fight or eat any of the other kinds of animals, he also told them to take a brush and shovel to clean up after themselves - obvious innit, there is probably a paragraph in the bible that says this, Ken will know.
Or, the heard of elephants in Africa noticed and one called out to Edward and Ellie, "Oi! Where are you two off to?" "Oh, us? Uh. Just... gonna scout ahead. Yeah." "Scout ahead? That's not the direction we're heading." Edward and Ellie sulk back to the group and Ellie says, "Okay, we can't lie to you guys but we just didn't want you to worry. We're going to an ark so we can survive the global flood that's coming. In fact, Edward, dear, we're going to be late. We should get going. Take care, eveyrone!" "Hang on. Wait just a second, there. What are you on about? An ark? Global flood? What is the meaning of this?" Edward looks sheepish, "Aw, guys, we aren't suppoed to say anything. But, I guess you're all going to die anyway so wha..." He is interrupted, "We're all gonna die?! What?!" "Yeah, me and Ellie were selected for a big boat because there's a global flood coming and there's only room for two of evey animal so you guys are all going to drown." Doris steps forward and asks, "Well, how come you two were picked? Why are you so special? I just had a baby. Are me and my baby going to die?" Ellie makes eye contact with her for a brief moment and then changes the subject, "Aw, guys, it was really nice walking with you today. Thanks for inviting us. We really do need to go. Come along, Edward. Mr. Noah is waiting." The rest of the heard... Wait, what were we talking about? I kind of got lost there for a second.
I will be honest here, I don't think Noah could have kept 2 elephants alive the entire time. Like just the 2 elephants and no other animals at all. People get preoccupied about how much physical space there is and how many you can cram onto a boat, but there is also food and water requirements(it didn't rain the entire time so it wouldn't refresh either), the waste removal. Food spoilage, disease. Also you can't just lock animals in a cage, they have to move around and exercise, or they can die from that as well. So no, I don't think Noah could have even kept two elephants alive, given the technology he had. The people who wrote the bible not only had no idea how many animals there were, they didn't have any concept of what it takes to take care of an animal.
Noah might have had state of the art running machines for exercise purposes, and he might have been towing fields of crops on big chains with tractors being constantly busy on them reaping, and had enormous fish tanks on the side of the ark for the freshwater fish, and other separate tanks for the likes of the piranhas and sharks to keep them separate. He might have had extended roofing to allow all the tens of thousands of birds species to have somewhere to land, so that they weren’t knackered for the year. He might have been towing a fleet of other ships to carry all the food, and he may have had a state of the art air-conditioning extraction system to get rid of all the deadly methane that would build up within hours. See, you’ve just got to apply a lack of common sense, and hey Presto, magic.
He shows a depiction of "Species -> Genus -> Family -> Order -> Class -> Phylum -> Kingdom". Then he points to 'Family' as being the 'kind' that there are 1400 single representatives for. According to Biology Stack Exchange, there are around 5300 families in the Animal kingdom. The biological variation within a family is pretty big. That still requires lots of EVOLUTION.
I'm about halfway through. And let me guess. He is going to say that they only needed to bring 1 K9 "kind" on the Ark, and that pair made all the variations we see today in a VERY short time. And then argue against millions of years of evolution by natural selection. Edit: .... I'm omniscient. Literally after I hit send, he said the thing. Which domestic dogs did they bring? And how many generations did it take to make Chihuahuas, and Huskies? So. Evolution isn't real unless you are trying to explain how the ark could hold all the animals. So a lab can turn into a corgi in a few thousand years, but a dinosaur turning into a bird in millions of years is "crazy". Sure buddy. Whatever you say.
Dogs are not a great example for you to use in this case. The vast majority of dog breeds that exist today did not exist 100 years ago. Selective breeding in Dogs has rapidly changed the number of breeds that exist today. In the past selective breeding was used to make dogs for very specific purposes. Such as Dachshunds. Now selective breeding is done to create boutique breeds that serve no purpose other than being cute or hypoallergenic. Most dog breeds that exist today would go extinct near instantly if humans did not exist to keep them alive.
@@atw9913 It is a fine example. Why do these breeds exist today that didn't 100 years ago? Because you started with... What, 80 or something like that I believe in the early 1900s. You start combining those breeds, new breeds emerge multiplicatively, and it isn't just a single generation. You have millions of instances of breeding for specific traits across a single generation. Now go back to 1900 and now you only have 2 dogs, even if different breeds. How many breeds do we have now? The only way that number is as large as it is over 100 years is the diversity of starting breeds, and the sheer amount of animals used to cross breed for those traits. If they say that today's diversity started with 2 "dog kind" what kind of dogs? Cause if we knew, we could trace all the modern breeds back to those first 2. Or even the first 7 pairs, if they decide to use that version of the story. We can trace the genetics back to prove this, if it was true.
It baffles me how on one hand Creationists deny evolution by saying no one creature can become another…yet on the other they flippantly state that during the “flood” it’s only “kinds” that boarded the boat… and these “kinds” repopulated the planet with the various species today. Evolution took millions of years and that’s just crazy…but it’s reasonable to believe all the animals we have today came about within the last 4000 years or so.
You have macro-evolution confused with micro-evolution. Most creationists will agree with Micro-evolution (the different characteristics of bugs based on the type, dogs, cats, birds, etc) since this is observable, hence why they also think the Ark is possible.
@@THEVIPERGUY1777 actually I do not have anything confused here. For example, the KIND that would include horses and zebras… evolution has discovered this diversion to have taken place at least 4 million years ago. But according to the Arc story, only horses or its KIND would be on board and zebras would have come about later. Science always seems to disprove creationism.
@@barryweatherley5046 fair, I guess I forgot that macro/micro evolution would be two distinctions made by a creationist, and not necessarily other people. My point is, there are traits that are created by cellular mutations but that don’t change the family for the animal. This is where creationism gets its belief, and it seems the Bible makes that distinction. The Zebra thing is a whole rabbit hole. LOL
One of the best examples of the flaw of "kinds" is the tuatara, it is the only extant member of its order. You have to go back to at least the cretacious to find its closest relative. Given it is only found in New Zealand and half the world away from the Ark, it would take a significant feat for a such a slow land bound Tuatara to get there. Even with a lifespan of up to 60 years it would struggle to get there in its lifetime. Humans are more closely related to Flying Lemurs than Tuataras are related to its nearest relatives.
I actually look forward to it every week. I don't deny the science that points to the biblical timeline not being correct and I also thinks it's ok to point out the flaws in the OT prophets. But I also know my demons from the past (ptss, depression) have gone since I chose for Jesus and tried filling my life with love and forgiveness like Jesus asks us. It just really works, I life a different life now. I used to be a homeless junkie, now I'm a software developer. And a lot of my new friends have had the same kind of journey. So even though I probably agree with you about things not being logical, and some things the OT prophets said not being a good moral guideline, I understand their devotion to the bible because it just really works. I would have needed 30 years of therapy. Instead I got 30 minutes of holy ghost. You probably think I'm nuts and maybe I am. But I'm going to continue my journey and try to learn being better in loving my neighbors (in the broadest way possible), respecting nature, helping people, learning not to judge, trying to love my enemies, loving God and making Jesus proud.
@@RyuBateson218Look, I mean absolutely no disrespect when I say that you could've achieved the same thing if you believed in yourself instead of a deity. You did it all yourself, you went through the difficult times and survived. You choose to be a good person every day. You choose to help others, be kind to strangers, love your enemies. It's all you. I find it baffling that you need to attribute it to some other thing rather than just giving yourself the credit. Assuming what you said is true (and I'm going this route), you did amazing things and are an amazing human being. You should absolutely take credit for it. You did it. If you still want to give something else the credit, that's fine, but I wanted to give you my point of view anyway. Keep doing you and living life, dude. You are improving other people's lives by improving yours and that's fantastic, no matter the beliefs. Have an awesome day.
If the bigger number can fit, the smaller number can fit. But let's ignore the big number and create a series of limitations to reduce that big number by a factor of a million.
I had an epiphany yesterday. In the book of jobe, god killed nis whole family and ruined his life to try to prove a point to the devil. His most beloved creation, ruined for someone of no consequence, that made no difference of any sort, completely ruined jobes life, for no reason. Then, when god wanted to kill all humans, his most prized creations, he decided, in his infinite wisdom and infinite power, to force every other living creature, to suffer 40 days and 40 nights stuck on a boat in the middle of the ocean. That is absolutely inhumane. The power to blink them out of existence until he's done killing all humans, then bring them back after, like a just and loving god would, but chose to make them suffer for humans shortcoming, is not what I imagine a god doing.
Also, did it need to be 40 days? Were there pockets of people that God was waiting to die before he would recede the flood waters? Also where did that much water come from and where did it go?
so, for example, Noah took a pair of cattle on a ship and after the flood "someone" bred all possible cloven-hoofed and cloven-hoofed animals from them? wow :)
Yep, same with primates (aside from us), rodentia, felidae, ursids, etc. All monkeys, apes, porcupines, chinchillas, tigers, bobcats, bears rapidly EVOLVED from single pairs of each of those orders and families ('types' and 'kinds'). Their words not mine; evolution is a biblical mandate in this part of the story.
Hi Dan, These Bible bashers call the Bible "The Word of God" yet there is no verse in the Bible that defines it as such. I have a Diploma in theology and have read the whole library (all 66 books) over 50 times. I have tried to debate this with leaders but they keep repeating their mantra and call it "self evident". "The Word of God" is exclusively a name for Christ and is defined in several places in scripture, to call scripture "God's Word" actually contradicts scripture! If anyone disagrees then just state a verse that defines scripture as this. Good luck with that as there are none.
@@mark.guitar not by god. and the teaching of his son ie the bible were written down 200 years after his death. 200 years of Chinese whispers and they cherry picked by the Romans to best integrate into their culture does not equal verbatim.
This guy doesn't even question the fact that god's word is so apparently unclear. Why would anything be left up to chance or interpretation if it's meant to be accepted as truth?!
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Please don't call Koala's, bears, they are marsupials
Also wondering how their math checks out with 8 people (all related to each other) being our sole ancestors - only 5,000 years ago.
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The Ark was a giant TARDIS. Problem solved.
But you still need to get the elephants through a phone booth sized door? ;)
@@hartmutholzgraefe just keep them on the deck lol
@@drumlineking07 No evidence of a world wide flood event circa 2500BC
"a giant TURDIS" I would say😂
@@hartmutholzgraefehow else could they make a trunk call?
To be fair, Noah was the greatest financier / economist in history.
He was floating his stock while everyone else was in liquidation.
badum tsss!
This is what is known as "hack comedy"
@@Connection-Lost aka "the internet"
Let's just move the goalpost. Oh, the goalposts are too small? Well let's just change the rules. Oh the rules don't make sense either? Let me just change fucking maths next.
I thought it was funny that they kept saying they always go for the larger number while simultaneously going for the drastically smaller number on almost everything important.
@@fcsuper Yeah, let's go big numbers AFTER we already made an arbitrary distinction that plummets the actual number 😂
Sounds like you just discovered the scientific method 🤣
The interior floor space expands or contracts to suit whatever purpose is needed at the time. A design so successful that Donald Trump incorporated it into all of his properties.
@@CAPSLOCKPUNDIT understandable... It looks like Trump is able to take up more space in your head than what is actually there. We could be talking about a beetle in the rainforest and you would start talking about Trump 🤣
It amazes me that this ancient mythology is taken seriously by grown adults in the 21st century.
If they took it seriously, they would know that King James translation, which they all peck for quotes, is a pretty loose retelling of the original text, which in turn is known to be heavily edited by politicians 400 years after creation.
They can’t accept having to let go of their imaginary friend comfort blanket, so happily accept the impossible.
@@BarafuAlbino Exactly. There are over 450 versions of the Bible. Some of those are copyrighted: how does one copyright their own version of "God's Eternal and Unchanging Word"? It shows just how nonsensical it all is.
Specially when bible has all fish as fish kind , so salmon (about 40 species of trouts) , eel (about 800 species), and puffer (about 190 species) are same .
So it dont matter if i serve puffer fish to Ken Ham & co instead of salmon, its all the same by the bible .
Noah's wife: "We're going to need a bigger boat".
did Noah bring another wife, did Mrs Noah bring another husband. So where were the tranny's.
Noah: "get back in the kitchen, there's a LOT of food you need to prepare" 😅
That’s really funny!!
Noah's Wife: "Get back to work you lazy scumbag!"
& we need to smash, I have an earth to repopulate
If "god" is omnipotent, and created EVERYTHING to begin with, why did he need Noah to save the animals? Why didn't he just recreate them afterwards?
Exactly ✌️
1) Because this God fellow was NOT all-powerful.
2) Because this God fellow was a jerk.
3) Because only fools take the story literally.
God is the first CEO who takes all the credit and praise while everyone else does all the work.
Stop making so much sense.
He didn't want to cast "Genesis" again, too much casting time and EXP costs.
Noah’s Ark is an excellent example of why taking old folk tales, legends & mythology literally is ridiculous.
In about another thousand year. A lot of current major religions will become mythology like the Greek or the Roman which were the relgions before Islam, Judaism and Christianity. Whats funny is that these major religions were nothing but considered cults during those times if any existed.... These are probably the last major religions in human history and humanity will eventually will come to an understanding that humanit no longer need religion.... Just wish it could is during my lifetime smh.
Especially when knowing that the myth was not even original, but copied from an earlier one, but modified quite a bit to fit into the gist of the new fan fiction anthology it was now ending up in ...
Just ask these believers why their all powerful, all seeing god couldn't just delete from existence all the people he wanted gone? Surely Noah's yearlong worldwide flood is literally overkill on a massive scale. Pro life? Benevolent? Don't make me laugh.
@@blowc1612It kinda annoys me that even in the 21st century there are still millions of religious people who fail to realize that religions are completely man made things. Even if you only focus on Christianity it's so obvious. How come that it wasn't a thing for thousands of years BC. And even during the first Century AD, very few people knew about Christianity. Isn't that interesting that our supposed God didn't reveal himself for people on the American continent for hundreds of years even after his supposed son was murdered. Almost as if Christianity could only spread if regular mortal human beings preached about it.
@@blowc1612 In the next thousand years, religion in general will most likely be gone completely. Religion today is dying at an astounding rate.
For me it is simple: the story was written thousands of years ago by somebody who had no idea whatseover how big the world was, or how many different kinds of animals there were on earth. Having a very small traveled radius during his life, he had only seen a few different types of animals that were local to him. So he dreamt up the dimensions of the ark thinking he was on the safe side. Little did he know, the earth was much, much bigger than he thought, and there were many, many more different types of animals on the earth that he could ever dream of.
Also, the guy writing it down wasn't the one who came up with the story. There wasn't even a single guy who came up with it - as with all myths. It was passed down from generation to generation, with each person retelling it from memory, embellishing it both consciously and subconsciously, etc. etc.
So I'd wager the numbers we have are primarily influenced by factors like "which numbers seem symbolically significant to the last oral reteller" and "which numbers are easier to remember for people from that culture". I wouldn't be surprised if people back then never even thought about taking those numbers literally. Instead, they prolly understood them as a fancy and vague way of saying "big" (sort of like saying "it's over 9000" or "giving it 110%").
The Flood myth didn't even start with the Bible, it was first recorded in the Epic of Gilgamesh in which Utnapishtim recounts how he was told by the god Enki to build a great boat and take all the animals of the field within because the world was going to be flooded. The story is about 1,000 years older than the writings of Genesis.
yea, the point is though that whoever thought up the flood story had no idea that there were Koala bears and Tree Sloths, etc., as they really only knew the animals around them, and probably assumed they were the same everywhere. If the huge diversity was already known at the time, most likely the story would have never been told, since there would have been a lot of questions raised already back then.
I was looking for this reply. I am around many many religious people and every one I have talked to had something similar. Most believe God talked to Noah, but that he built a large boat and pull all regional animals he could find. None of them believe he put all animals on earth on the boat.
@@ghotihook yes, this is my experience too. However, it also implies that most people actually don't really believe in the Bible at all, at least the way it is meant to be believed. Seems to be that such an important book shoudl be an "all or nothing" type of deal, and it essentially defeats the purpose of the book when everybody picks and chooses for themselves what to believe and what not to believe.
So they accept evolution when it helps them explain away all their ridiculous religious notions, but the refuse ut otherwise because only God can "create". Sounds about right.
They will claim it was not evolution but adaptation without being able to understand that evolution is adaptation. Adaptation requires the passing on of heritable features that change behaviour or physical properties, defined on a christian web site. Just don't call it evolution if you want to keep them happy. They think it does not result in new species appearing.
was just about to make the same comment🤣
And that evolution would have to be extremely fast... so evolution no, extremely fast evolution yes... perfect logic 🤥🤥🤥
Not only that - but the "post flood evolution" would have to produce the exact same variations as pre-flood.
I.e. from the dog pair you would get; wolves, dingo, foxes, etc.
From two cats; lions, panthers, tigers, lynx, etc.
EXACTLY the same that existed pre-flood.
If this would have any sort of merit - one would expect to see two completely different types of animals before and after.
@jarls5890 Although I can understand that argument. Someone who believes in creation would not. They don't believe in evolution. They believe that the genetic code has a little bit of wiggle room, which accounts for the different types of species under the same kind even though they won't explain what a kind is.
As far as they're concerned, having a pair of dogs would eventually pretty all the different types of animals that could be classified as dogs. Because god is directing it.
By that, they would literally just have him a litter of pups that could have a wolf, a dog, and a coyote. Scientifically, it makes no sense. It's literally magic. Or miracles because god did it.
1) the flood would have killed so much plant life, thus the herbivores would have nothing to eat after. 2) The flood would have made everything salt water--so why are there freshwater fish still? 3) The carnivores need to eat other animals to stay alive--so he would have needed even more animals on the ark to feed them!
Your second point isn't exactly true. Bodies of water that get separated for a long time from the ocean become less salinized USUALLY.
You are right, but that second point isn't entirely accurate.
@@maozedong8370 also the flood was caused by rain, so basically distilled water. 40 days of rain plus 150 days of full flood would not dissolve that much salt out of the ground quickly I'd say
What did they do with all the shit as well - or did God magic it away?
@@johnfoord9444. God magiced the shit into food.
My brother in law is a zookeeper... I'll get him to plan out space needed, plus storage, plus staffing levels 😂
So let me get this straight. Only a few "kinds" of animals were onboard. Right with him so far. But why are there no explanation on how those few "kinds" turned into all the species we see today? Is it because that would actually need evolution? Or is evolution fine with them when it fits their beliefs?
And they can't even hear how ridiculous their beliefs are.
I'd expect some word salad about "micro" and "macro" ....
As far as I remember from some video tour through that "Arch museum" they even had per-kind "trees of life" on display at some point?
It’s a case of, “we don’t believe in evolution, that’s stupid, but we believe in super evolution”.
You probably just have to take a grizzly boy and a polar bear girl, and a panda baby pops out.
It needs one new species per day for the last 4000 years to make kinds into species…..
Not only that - they evolved into the exact same species that existed pre-flood.
What about fresh-water fish? - Did Noah create huge glass tanks on board? Just like in the hit movie; Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home? 😏
"Capt'n, there be whales here!"
- Scotty
Okay, so how did Noah get TWO whales on board the ark without a helicopter?
And, sharks have to keep swimming to stay alive, did Noah build a special tank for them? Did he also rescue two giant squid - the most elusive creatures in the sea?
And seriously, did the flood affect creatures living MILES down at the bottom of the oceans?
Being an ignorant bronze age author is perfectly fine and acceptable. The limitations oif knowledge and experience are understandable.
Being a gullible modern age religious zealot, especially one who bilks money from ignorant people, to create a misrepresentation of a misrepresentation of a myth - and then claiming it is absolute truth -- is inexcusable.
Kind of
The whales, dolphins, etc, would still have to be saved, along with many other fish, as the waters, apparently would have boiled from such an impossible flood.
Transparent aluminum.
@@LyleFrancisDelp Ah, of course!
So let me get this straight. 5,000 years ago, Noah and his ark allowed 1,400 "kinds" of animals to survive. And since then, mutation and natural selection was able to allow enough speciation to get us millions of different species? And they think evolution over billions of years is far fetched?
Good. You're all caught up now.
Where is your claim coming from for the millions of species?
@@ComeJesusChristThe IUCN Red List tracks the number of described species and updates this figure annually based on the latest work of taxonomists. In 2021, it listed 2.13 million species on the planet.
MAGIC is always good, because we came from clay, so of course magic is real, we are the product of a lineage of talking snakes, donkeys, and inbreeding.
It all makes perfect sense, right?
@@nunya_bizniz Thank you for Googling it. How many are they actually listing and how many of their claimed figures relate to land-based animals with or without insects and the kind?
If there was a museum in the shape of the shoe where the old lady lived, how many children fit in the house? and how old was she? The Word of Mother Goose says: "she had so many children, she didn't know what to do" Skeptics say it's just a poem so it doesn't matter, but some have estimated that she was 69 and the children were grown up, so she didn't know if she should send them to find a job or to get married. Others believe they were little children she had stolen from villages, and some that they were adopted. There are many Goosian denominations and they all disagree. Me, personally I can't believe actual adults are discussing these things with a straight face.
This. This is exactly what their nonsense bible stories and debates about them sound like. And this story is more likely to be true: we at least know that old women are real which is more than can be said for Noah.
@@pearcat08 A six hundred year old Noah, no less. When I asked a (former) friend of mine about the Noah age thing, her answer was, "people lived longer back then". Of course I pointed out that evidence clearly shows something quite the opposite, she responds with, "I'll ask my pastor". So, too scared to even think for herself. Seventh Day bloody adventist.
lol, have a 👍
That must have been one hell of a big shoe she and the kids lived in!
Maybe Ken Ham will start a new attraction - "The Shoe Encounter" - with dinosaurs because - growl.
It still blows my mind there are actual adults, in the actual world who think Noah's ark actually happened. It's breathtaking, and hilarious
Hahah I just said the same thing! 🤯 it’s crazy and they shouldn’t be allowed to breed or be around kids!
And more than a bit depressing
Every time I encounter such a person online I know that a discussion is futile. That person has left the realm of reason. It is impossible to argue with that type.
@@mczeljk Oh? So u must believe we magically "evolved" from a rock, huh?!
Naah boi, God "created" us from a rock...totally different!!
One is based on some fantasy shit written by an old, beardy dude.
And the other one is based on the 100% infallible, true word of the allmighty Jahve, ᵉᵛᵉⁿ ᵗʰᵒ ᵗʰᵉʳᵉ ʳ ˢᵒ ᵐᵃⁿʸ ᵈᶦᶠᶠᵉʳᵉⁿᵗ ᵛᵉʳˢᶦᵒⁿˢ ᵒᶠ ᶦᵗ...
The dietary laws of Judaism (the thing that created Clean and Unclean animals) didn’t exist at the time of the flood in the timeline that they present.
The fact that grown adults convince themselves that a child's fairy tale such as the Noah's ark story is true never ceases to amaze me
Even as a fairy tale it falls flat. There's no value in it, even if you just take it as a metaphor. This is what I don't understand about the story. We're supposed to be impressed by the ark story and gods forgiveness, but he caused the flood as punishment, and then still required animal sacrifices afterwards from the very people that 'found favour with they lord'.
But the worst of all is that the plan failed, miserably.
the story isn't even original to the bible, but is based upon the flood myth in the Epic of Gilgamesh, which was written around a thousand years before the earliest biblical texts! 😂
@@MagentaMoonshadow Yeah, apologists do acknowledge this, but they cast doubt on whether it is legitimate or not; usually citing edits and heroic amplification as reasons to not take it seriously - as if the sceptic believes that the flood in the Epic of Gilgamesh really happened.
If only they critiqued their own text with as much vigor.
The adults believe because they were taught the story as kids, not when they were grown.
It massively upsets me, "if they are so gullible as humans, I can't be far behind"
"We always choose the bigger number!"
*Proceeds to choose the smallest number they can get away with
Obviously Noah used the Holy Shoehorn to cram them all in…..
😂😂😂
He is the REAL inventor of Pym Particles and shrank them all to microscopic size.
Probably needed two of those as well.
Sounds like a monty python sketch."Bring on the holy shoehorn"
you forgot the shrink ray. he used a shrink ray.
All the Australians losing their minds at calling it a Koala "bear". Mean tempered little buggers but not a bear.
We're Aussies. It's the least dangerous thing we have. Every Aussie knows it's not a bear. 🇦🇺 👍
@@rexpayne7836 Well, it's not a Koala BEAR, but it IS a Koala Bare!
Unless you put clothes on it! :p /jk
@@Mark_Agamotto1313_Smith 👍
Watch out for drop bears
And bare arsed wombats.😉
Australia is not real, please don’t go there!
Amazing that all the tree and plant species weren’t affected by a world wide flood.
Of course they were once the water receded they grew back again. It's not a debate that the flood happened its debate if the ark existed or not.
@@JulioGarcia-pj8rq Of course there IS a debate whether the flood happened.
It didn't. There simply is not enough water to cover the entire earth.
Plus sea water covering the earth would kill most species and their seeds.
Yeah, that'll be addressed in the Brand New Testiment, which will act a bit like that Back to the Future Sequel, and will correct any errors, and add side-stories to the first two books. My guess is a second Ark!!! It sounds cliche now, but back then it was an original idea. So Ark 2 is the plants and trees version. And of course, like the animals, the plants and trees came to Lola (I'm assuming this Ark will be run by a woman; the writers, er god, have to recognise how sexist his original two novels were and give women a little more to do in the third book).
@@JulioGarcia-pj8rq You're right, it's not a debate that the flood happened. It didn't. The entire global flood story is totally absurd...and on multiple levels.
@@JulioGarcia-pj8rq Trees and palnts can drown from too much water. Every dam ever built demonstrates that fact. When there is a drought and the water lever in the dam falls, the plants and treees never grow back. When there is a major river floodind and the waters don't recede for several days or weeks, many plants and crops die and don't come back. The whole idea of the flood is preposterous.
“Whenever we had a choice between a lower number and a higher number, we picked the higher number”
Proceeds to pare millions down to a couple thousand
He put foxes in dog kind but they can't interbreed. They have 4 fewer chromosome pairs than dogs.
@@Scanner9631I like how he specifically mentioned "dogs, dingoes and wolves" that literally are all the same canis lupus species.
Weird how the only example he gives is only one that has some basis in reality.
I have a far more pressing question concerning the Fake Ark: It took 1000 master craftsmen two years to build it. Using power tools and pre-fab materials. They got food and shelter catered to them. They had cranes to lift material, bulldozers to level the area and various other machines. And it took 2000 man-years to build it.
Now let's take a look at Noah. Noah had his sons and bronze age tools to build his ark. He had to set aside time to tend to his flocks and cultivate his land, because he also needed to eat during the build.
I don't think I need to go into detail why I want to thank Mr. Ham for single-handedly proving the impossibility of the biblical narrative of the Ark. Do I?
The ark in the ark encounter got water damage from a little rainstorm.
Yeah, these guys take it way too literally...
It's just like the creation myth, many of them think that happened literally too....but even the ancients would have known that it didn't happen literally, I mean, they would have encountered snakes and know that they don't talk.... (that's just one of many obvious problems.)
Where you and I might disagree is that I think there's a God out there. I'm a Deist (means I think there is a God out there but don't subscribe to any organized religion). But I definitely agree with you that fundamentalism doesn't make any sense; those stories were not intended literally. They are fiction, meant to teach spiritual lessons. 🙂
@@vamp4997And it is a building with an boat-like envelope, it would never float. Not to mention the ventilation.
And it's not even built with with the technology available to Noah. It relies on modern building techniques to support itself.
First up, pretty sure Noah spent 120 years, second up, good chance Noah was pretty rich and could hire people.
With his definition of kind, we are the same kind as chimps and gorillas.
Ken Ham does look rather like a missing link.
The rules they make up about biology don’t apply to people. Also, “kind” is a flexible term that means whatever the creationist needs it to mean at that moment.
@@mjjoe76 Yeah, if you look hard enough you can find them applying it to anything from entire phyla down to plant cultivars.
and bonobos and orangutans
and noah's family only made up 4 breeding pairs, which means they needed 3 other breeding pairs
Why did an all powerful god of creation need a man with an ark to start over in the first place?
A cynic would suggest that it was because he liked incest. So, enjoying the antics of Adam and Eve so much, he had to kill everybody else so that Noah and family could indulge in further incest.
Amusement! If you can do anything and will live forever, I guess organising every species you've created on a planet to accumulate in one location is probably an interesting project for a short time.
I agree with you, when you've created trillions upon trillions of stars, each with their own set of planets and moons, and can fill any one of them with millions of species of animal, it makes you wonder why you wouldn't just delete the failed one, learn from your mistakes and do a better job with the next.
Coz... reasons...
Because it's written in THE BOOK !
@@dedewunjo426No. Because there are other historic documentation of this so-called 'flood'... and physical evidence of a massive rise in sea level eleven thousand years ago. If you're trying to suggest I hold the bible in any sort of regard, you're wasting your time. Until I started taking an interest in evidence of a previous, technologically advanced civilisation that were all but wiped out from this cataclysmic event I've always believed the bible to essentially be a book of BS! I've since learnt that all of the diety, miracle and ridiculous stories are essentially the result of poor translation from what the bible is based on. And this may well explain lots of the fantastical and outrageous stories and events. So, don't be c***, I'm no religious nutter, thank you very much.
"God works in mysterious ways." -Creationists when you call out their BS.
Consider carefully what you said. It shows that it is easier to criticize than look at the problem. Thak is how flat earthers think too.
"God works in mysterious ways...." in over 3030 existing versions of Bible 😀
They also say all things are possible through God. Their delusion is just sad.
is a very strange way to say "this tosh makes zero sense"
What about the Kiwi! only comes out at night, can't fly and lives on a small island thousands of kilometers away
A friendly pair of eagles gently picked it up and flew them there.
Or the Dodo.
Christians have proposed that the various species got from the middle east to their homes around the world by being on volcanoes that blasted them all over the world (without incinerating them or killing them with the impact of landing or suffocating on ballistic paths that took them to outer space). So if it can take Koalas TO Australia why couldn't they take them TO Noah?
@@Scanner9631oh man😂 first time I hear of this 😂😂
So cartoonish 😂😂😂
If the Kiwi only "comes out at night" is it a man eater?
I imagine the Kangaroos carried the Koalas, and the platypus was in the Kangaroo's pouch....... lol
Sure, but how did the Kangaroos travel from an island in the southern hemisphere? Lol indeed!
@@Martin2153very looong jumps
That might be true, but who carried the EMU's and wombats? hmmmmmm........lol
What about the two penguins who waddled all the way from Antarctica to the Middle East? 😂
“So non one could accuse us of cheating on this” then proceeds to use the vague and malleable term “kinds”.
They're so selectively inconsistent with what they will and won't accept from science, everyday language and common sense. If "species" is a no-no, then why and how do you believe in other taxa that biologists came up with? Why try to find a place for "kinds" in that taxonomy? Why trust material science and basic physics when you need to engineer "the ark" in such a way that it doesn't immediately collapse, but not on a hundred other issues, like carbon dating, the age of different rocks and bones we find in the ground, etc? This is so confusing. Just like with flerfers, who sometimes believe in random-ass things like ground surveying and a website that tracks planes and flights, but not gravity, or telescopes, or diffraction.
@@kathorsees well said.
@@jamesfetherston1190 And still people say all youtube comment sections are toxic cesspools. Thank you!
I feel funy that they accepted to use all the species of bat as "kinds". Sometings is telling me than when it comes to big animals they don't do that.
And then they turn around and deny evolution!! Like, how did their minds turn back Int differentiated species?!?
Wait a minute... creationists don't believe in evolution, so what is their explanation for how these singular "kinds" produced so many different species of animals over a few thousand years? Aren't the creationists always saying that all of the animals that are around today have always been around and were created by god?
I've often wondered about that particular example of creationists cognitive dissonance.
Micro vs macro. They except evolution like rabbits evolving new colors of hair or changing sizes. But they won't except animals changing their kind. They are idiots. So all canines can evolve into other types like wolves dogs and foxes but they won't change what kind of animal they are. Of course they struggle with kind. They use the word but can't tell you what defines a kind because as soon as they do you can come up with all sorts of "kinds" that don't fit their definitions.
AiG avoids calling it evolution, instead just calls it adaptation. In essence they ascribe to hyper evolution to go from their minimum "Kinds" to the current number of species.
the reasonable ones do, they just think that's not where it started, so the creatures were created, then evolved from there, still crazy imo, but slightly more reasonable
For this type of creationist, "The Theory of Evolution" covers any idea on the origins of the universe that doesn't fit a literal interpretation of Genesis 1, from the Big Bang to stellar formation to abiogenesis. They will usually try to differentiate between 'evolution' and 'change over time through natural selection'.
The circle jerk of him admitting there are different versions of the BOOK and still holding it up as gospel is mind boggling.
Different translations
@@michaelrager3502but he also said there were different interpretations in the ORIGINAL language.
@@michaelrager3502Why does the word of god need translating at all? Translations are so, so unreliable and hard to do. So full of human error. Have you ever tried speaking a foreign language, or at least using Google Translate? Don't you feel uneasy at the thought of someone trying to translate the word of god sitting there with a dictionary and a grammar book, not even having access to the original? Because we don't have an "original" bible, we only have copies of copies of copies, translated and re-translated hundreds of times, written hundreds, sometimes thousands of years after the events they purport to describe.
He unironically listed off almost a dozen versions of the "inerrant word of god" and then just moved on as if the very existence of different versions of the Bible weren't a huge problem.
It'd really blow his mind to find out that translation has been changing it for centuries. In the original text, God created the world in six... periods of time. One valid translation of that is "days", yes. And that's the one they went with because if your God takes "days" to make the whole world and the other guy's God takes longer, then you win the theological pissing match!
"Sky cake!"
- "Sky baklava!"
"You're DEAD!!! There is only SKY CAKE!!!"
Imagine that molds and fungus would take over with all the dead trees and plants. Post flood world would be a nightmare hellscape.
god: breathe in the spores and like it Noah
Any Christian that believes the Noah's Ark story to be a literal story have already lost the plot of "God's word (written by man) and ignorantly ignore the lessons taught not only by the Noah story, but all the allegories taught in the Bible, none of which were ever meant to be taken as literal factual truth.
This is true. They should focus on the fact that the god character is a cruel mass murderer, and the whole silly Bible should be thrown in the trash.
Agreed. "Any Christian" should be troubled that they could be taking the lord's name in vain, if they need to back engineer and explain such a myth of dubious origin. We know the story of Noah has Sumerian origins, we know there were catastrophic floods of the Tigris and Euphrates in pre-literate times, we know that the Black Sea was enlarged and flooded during times of thriving Human settlement (when the Mediterranean Sea breached the Dardanelles). Flood myths abound throughout the world, not because there was one flood, but Humans, wherever they were in the post Ice Age world, encountered many different floods, each making a huge impression on the cultural history of the people involved.
Maybe the allegory of Noah's Ark was look after nature, and be prepared for the unexpected, but definitely not build a theme park.
What is the moral lesson of Noah's ark? That if you dislike how something you made turns out, you should destroy it and start over, even if it means killing countless innocent people, including infants and children, along with those whom you despise? That if you're obedient God will save you from the atrocity he inflicts on everyone else? These are not good lessons.
Ancient myth: "God gets frustrated with humans being evil, kills all but a handful of them and other animals, realizes that He _massively_ overreacted because A) the animals did nothing wrong and B) human free will means the capacity for evil is a feature not a bug, promises humans that He won't cause so much collateral damage in the future, signs that promise with a rainbow."
Most ancient-to-modern Abrahamic religious people: "This was where Y*hw*h started to become more patient with his children and accepting their foibles, and (pre-optics) explains why rainbows happen."
YECs: "This literally happened going by our literal reading so we are literally better than any of you literally unsaved literal heathens, and we get to control your lives because God made us literal hegemons."
And God said, "If any man should doubt my word, thou shalt move the goalposts."
Careful, God will not be mocked.
@@gbuddy But you're wrong, god is being mocked.
@@gbuddyI mean it kind of already happened…
@@gbuddyGod *is* a mockery
@gbuddy Send the thunderbolts. Hmmm. Still waiting....
My problem with 10:20 is: Not every animal that lives in water can survive in both salt-water AND fresh-water. So, whether you want to say that the flood was a salty ocean or a massive lake of fresh water, one or the other is going to die. And when the Earth is all dried up again, a lot of those animals are going to be stranded on land and die.
While we're on this topic, how did he assume all insect life can survive a flood? I know bees can't. And what are those insects going to eat for that 40 days?
The more I talk of this, the more problems I want to bring up. What did the carnivorous animals on the Ark eat? How did the plants survive? (If you are not a gardener, a lot of plants can't handle a lot of water, not to mention being submerged in it for 40 days) All those plants would also be obliterated by the insane pressure levels at teh bottom of that ocean. How does anyone see this as plausible?
@ThePhoenixSlayer It's worse than that, by a lot. it rained for forty days and nights (Genesis 7:12). BUT the water flooded the earth for 150 days (Genesis 7:24) It's not clear if that followed the 40 days of rain, if it did, then we are talking 190 days flooded. BUT the water took an additional 3 months to recede so that the tops of mountains were visible. (Oddly this is after the ark landed on a mountain)
Lol I imagine the termites on the ark were happy with all the wood😂
@@noelramirez1551 No no no, they were swimming around in the ocean for a couple months. But I'm sure they're fine!
@@noelramirez1551 And the beavers, woodpeckers....
not to mention the salinity change when the seas rise and fall.
I like how both kangaroos hopped all the way to Australia from Mt Ararat😅😅
They can cover a fair distance. Obviously not that much but I'd still bet more on them than koalas. Koalas, as Dan pointed out, sleep a lot of the day and only eat specific leaves. Where did Noah get the leaves from to feed the koalas? Did they also make their way to Noah?
@@markhansen5142 haha....a lot of nonsense in old fairy tales
Not only kangaroos, but all marsupials collectively decided to go to Australia without leaving any trace behind on their journey. Apart from 2 species that turned north, made it across the Bering Strait and down into America
Ararat was where they landed, not where they started.
Ah yes of course! It makes complete sense. Noah just had 2 Syrian brown bears that somehow gave birth at least 2 panda bears 2 polar bears not to mention 2 American black bears that decided first to swim over the Atlantic. Creationists always try to disprove evolution, yet somehow animals in their stories evolve faster than Pokémon's
Seems like every one of them that tries to disprove evolution always characterizes it as if some sort of Pokemon-like pace is exactly what everybody in favor of evolution actually believes it to be about. They talk about it as if somebody told them "you were born as a monkey and spontaneously changed into a human when you went through puberty". They skip over any and all mention of anything along the lines of processes that can take thousands of generations to add up to a small change in a population and even longer to add up to something more significant. In their eyes, surely we must be suggesting that one single animal can just randomly out of nowhere transform into a completely different animal one or more times in its own lifetime. In their eyes, that's the argument to get upset about and put effort into disproving. In their eyes, nothing was ever mentioned about it taking longer than that or about it being more about trends in a large population.
Exactly! Them that be screaming evolution is fake, now pulling out animal family charts to justify their fantasy! Lol! Can they get any more pathetic! 😂😂😂😂
Why did youtube show me a rant posted as the only reply to a comment that wasn't mine...?
Wait, I did post a response here about the Pokemon-like nonsensical mistaken reasoning they like to pretend that their opposition is pushing, didn't I? It seems to have been deleted.
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The fake Ark is a cathedral to ignorance.
your own ignorance...
@@XGuarden1 So the fake ark is a cathedral to his ignorance, how did you came to that conclusion, please elaborate?
fake ark? which one? all of them are fake. None of them really existed. Not the one in the bible, and not the one created of modern technology and methods, taking so many manhours of power it would have been impossible back in the ancient days.
@@realtsarbomba The ark encounter is half a boat. The "ark" had to be made in a way that it was supported on the back so it would stay standing. They tried to keep some *representative* animals in there, but had to move them outside, It was too much work to keep the animals inside for the 20 or so workers. There are almost no windows or doors in the "traditional ark". Where did they put the massive piles of poo? (It would have been impossible to breathe in a week) My two horses and seven to ten sheep eat 5 tons of hay every year. 5 tons, baled and stacked takes up an area about 7x10x15 feet. Multiply that by how many animals? (Oh by the way, hay wasn't baled back then so took about twice as much space.) And what did the carnivores eat? Oh, yeah, it was a miracle.(magic)
Nothing will ever beat the day it got in trouble because water leaked inside on a rainy day. 😄
09:56 "No insects were taken"......"Enough food for all the kinds on board"
Does that include food for the insectivore animal kinds?
2:26 "....of every creeping thing of the ground......" refutes his own statement?
I liked the explanation for this from that Noah movie where they were all knocked out for the journey. Made the made up story make more sense.
@@davemaciver3681even if they were all under divine control to be perfecr guests the sheer volume would be too great. Unless the ark was like a bag of holding.
@@davemaciver3681 and after the journey? What would they eat?
@@wittyjoker4631 None of me thinks it's at all feasible or real. But from a story telling perspective this is a solution to the food problem that works.
@@EVPaddy I don't think it's real. I'm purely saying it was a good story explanation for that one problem. Apart from the animals having nothing to eat there's also a bunch of incest about to happen and no species has a viable population.
If you play the numbers game long enough, there was only Adam and Eve on that boat.
He didn't. Noah forgot the unicorns so they had to take to the oceans to become whales. Want proof? Look at the Narwal 😂
But the question is did they evolve or magical god transformed 🤔😂🤔
Noah didn't forget them, but one unicorn got loose and ran away. So Noah only had one left :(
nah he didn't he got horses since they're a "kind" they just got sacrificed.
🎶 There were green alligators, and long-neck geese, some humpy-back camels and some chimpanzees.🎶
You talk unicorns and Noah's arc and that song plays on repeat in my mind 😂
Noah couldn't have forgotten the unicorns, because they are referred to more than ten times in scripture especially KJV.
I grew up on a ranch in Montana with 1000 cows. We fed them 110 80 lb. bails every other day and a truck load of pellets every other day in the winter.
And religion mocks the concept of the universe coming from a singularity, knowing full well that the food on the Ark must have been produced from thin air! Actually I think this ties in with the world's first superhero, Jesus, and his amazing trick of turning things into something else. I wonder if he wasn't the second superhero, with the Ark actually home to the first, Noah, and he had the ability to turn a grain of sand into a meal for a million animals!
@@quantumjet253 it’s all nonsense anyway. A powerful god could just poof what he didn’t like out of existence.
@@mrscience1409 Of course. The most amusing aspect to religion to me is the whole concept of worship, and building churches, etc. I don't know, I'm pretty sure if the universe and trillions upon trillions of stars within were created by someone, who also filled a planet with millions of species, giving one a slightly higher level of intelligence (at the outrageous detriment of having the worst hearing, eyesight, strength, etc) I'm not sure why they would care for their little mud-created people to pay them much attention. And if that were a concern, why not mould them to all be worship obsessed! The whole concept is as weird as it is illogical.
Question for Ken Ham: why has your life size model Ark got no animals on it? Is it because even with modern machinery and automation, 8 people couldn't look after that many animals for a year (even if they were allowed daily resupply drops by huge trucks with food, water and medicines)
they were put to sleep by smoking some magical herb.
Didn’t they initially plan to have animals, only to quietly abandon that plan because it was too difficult?
I suspect they would have run afoul of animal welfare regulations, for all the reasons you mentioned and more.
They had a few real animals but they couldn't handle all the feces. No joke
@@stubbybutt8839HA! Magic! What else you science nerds got?
Imagine someone debating at great length a Dr. Seuss book, and trying to understand how some random detail pertains to real life
"Ok, so with a heart made of coal we know the Grinch would be a carbon based lifeform, and while many a skeptic has said that coal is too rigid a material to be useful as a heart because it wouldn't be able to pump blood, that means he survived via plasmo-electronic energy distribution, which, when considering the higher salt content of the air due to the rising waterlevels, could only..."
Actually perfectly doable with some Dr. Seuss books.
Point is, the Bible (a collection of myths, cautionary tales etc) should NOT be taken literally.
It's bonkers. And absolutely heartbreaking to see first hand in people you love.
The people who think Atlantis was real are effectively arguing a Dr. Seuss book. Dr. Seuss wrote allegories -- and that's what Atlantis was. It was a warning to the people of Athens not to become an Imperial power, that it would bring their downfall.
They ignored it.
(BTW -- first "war for oil"? Athens conquered an island with tar seeps, because they didn't have enough pine trees to produce pine tar for their ships.)
@@rcrawford42 It was partially based on old memories of Thera which blew up rather spectacularly & basically destroyed the power of Crete.
How tf does a beetle -- a ground-dwelling critter -- survive a flood?
One self-debunk after another.
They had their own ark with their beetle noah 😂
@@an.d.m.a Ha! That paints a hilarious picture in my head.
shit floats so beetle noah rolled a massive arc turd for them all to cling to@@an.d.m.a
What about sea life that go up for oxygen or the lung fish that wriggles on land for a bit . How about those that need to live in fresh water or less oxygenated water or salt water etc
And what about bees? Or parasites that need to live on animals , lice too
@@Vendetta_sspace daddy magic
8 Humans……and no one talks about incest? 🤷♂️
It gets even worse. Those 8 were already family.
"Hey little sister...what have you done?"
Billy Idol...White Wedding
😁✌️
If we're going down that route, who did Cain and Able have sex with in order to have kids??? 🤔
Descendents of 2 animals also means heavy inbreeding after that
@@jase_allen I seem to recall the bible hand waved that, something like 'they took wives from people who lived nearby'. No further explanation.
Umm. So, we are to assume an all powerful, perfect loving, all knowing god couldn't provide accurate, non contradictory, and simple to understand information in his book? Let alone somehow he didn't know what humanity was going to do and he decided to punish the unborn, young children, and every other living thing on earth. Perfect love? Right. Sure. I want to worship that thing.
Well look at what happens if you don't worship it! Do you want to take that chance?
That's a bit unfair. God's so nice he sometimes fast-tracks children and the unborn straight to heaven! How nice is that???
At least they accept evolution, i mean if there was only 2 dogs alive 4,500 years ago and they became the 100’s of breeds and species that exist, wouldn’t that be irrefutable evidence of evolution?
You think the Ark is far fetched but what you have to grasp is adults with apparent working brains believe it and defend it. Humans ability to believe literally anything is outstanding.
trump cult being a case in point
@@davedixon2068 But he's real, you can hate his every bone but he's still real. Having said that wtf are you bringing him into this, I guess you have tds, you can get medication to help you get past obsessions.
@@ernsailor9041I think maybe you misinterpreted the last guys comment? I don't know for sure, but if someone says "Trump cult" I would imagine they are more likely speaking of the people who think Trump is literally the messiah, anointed by God to lead the country.
It doesn't take an obsessed Trump hater to think of that group when someone brings up people believing literally anything. You could even support Trump and still think it's unreasonable to worship the guy as a literal deity. Personally I couldn't care less about American politics, the whole thing seems to send people loopy defending their personal favourite team while condemning the exact same behaviour when it's the other team.
@@ernsailor9041 you brought up humans believing everything they are told I simply gave a current example of people believing rubbish spouted by a con man
@@davedixon2068 Is Trump your first thought for any statement someone makes, my condolences if so it must be rough with him living in your head for free.
"The Ark Encounter is a giant.."
MONUMENT TO RELIGIOUS IGNORANCE
".. in Williamstown, Kentucky."
The tigers went on board willingly, best all you can eat buffet they could ever imagine
I was a bible school dropout. When I was 4 it sounded ridiculous to me.
Same here. I remember sitting in church as a kid and thinking: what is all this nonsense? The whole religion thing never stuck to me. And I couldn’t be happier about it (59 now)
love how they conveniently gloss over the fact that a significant number of undersea life can only survive in fresh water, not salt water that the global ocean would have been. And that would be the lower number of marine animals needed because if they want to somehow make the global ocean fresh water than even more marine animals cannot survive in that
I suspect it's actually a negligible amount of undersea life that can only survive in fresh water. :)
Other than that quibble about wording ("undersea" sounds like a Germanic synonym for the Latinate "marine", not a synonym for "aquatic"), yes, most freshwater creatures can't survive in salt water and most ocean creatures can't survive in fresh water-and those that can switch often need time and/or specific conditions to adapt to the change that the flood wouldn't have given them.
It's clear this story came from humans and not God, as the ancient people probably saw all aquatic life as just needing water, and didn't realize plants were alive. So them surviving a flood was not even a problem
Obviously the Ark was the first iteration of the TARDIS
The TARKKDIS?
I mean, why didn't they just go with that...more believable
Especially the first bit of tardis lol
@@buddha1062
Yep, especially with the Doctors tardis stuck at imitating a wooden structure on the outside ... it all makes sense now ;)
Now when is that episode going to air, and how do they plan to get the elephants and the rhinos through the outer door? :o
TotAlly RiDIculous Story. TARDIS. Yep, you're bang on.
I still don't understand where all the water came from and where it went after "The flood". Nobody ever raises the question of the water.
“The waters above” to “the waters below.” Requires a flat Earth. Bow you know where all that nonsense comes from.
It came from above the dome, and went down to below the disk. Simple, ain't it? ;)
What about the heat problem? Enough heat generated to turn the entire planet into Plasma many times over!
God did pull out the Holy Bath Plug from the centre of the flat earth making it possible for the vortex to get rid of all the human/animal corpses and the water to flow away. BUT WAIT! How did the fishes of the sea and all the insects that God saw fit to leave off the Ark survive being flushed???
What a complete crock of shite!
it fell of the flat earth
The flood lasted 371 days just the food for all the animals would be in comprehensive. Especially back in that time. In today's modern world you would not be able to get food for that long for that many animals. You're telling me they were able to back when all they had was hunting and gathering
Wait I just realised... if he only needs to bring the kind of a certain species... does that mean that the now living species had to - EVOLVE?
Creationists will throw word salad around about “micro” and “macro” evolution and pretend evolution has some (unknown) limiting factor.
I don't know how believing this is real isn't classed as a mental illness.
It would be if so many people didn’t believe it
This is a case of the inmates trying to run the asylum.
"We're not crazy for believing this book; you're crazy for not believing. Now, I have some goats to sacrifice."
Less insane than inventing 100000 different genders.
even if you have "two of every kind", you put two elephants, two rhinos, two hippos, two giraffe, two bears, two Capybara, two horses, two cows, two Bison, two water buffalo, etc. on there, you're going to start running out of room rather quickly (ignoring that a single breeding pair of anything is functionally extinct, especially large mammals).
The Ark Encounter has dinosaurs on there too. But that's fine, becuse they were babies, apparently.
The unicorns were pissed when they arrived late and saw the ark gone.
I see you conveniently left out two Sasquatch(es?)! 🤪✌️
You are assuming these animals were fully grown
Even starting with two brachiosaurs, and two mammoths, you're already taking up a ton of room.
SciManDan - That text at (Gen. 7:2-3) wouldn't mean: "77." Hebrew would word that number as: "seventy & seven."
Usually, when Hebrew has two words [numbers, etc.) side by side, then we add the word "by" in between them or translate the first word as: "every." - - "Seven seven" likely means" "seven by seven" or "every seven." - Other examples include: "one one" i.e. "each one" and "man man" i.e. "every man" (Ex. 36:4), "day day" i.e. "day BY (after) day" (Gen. 39:10; Ex. 16:5), etc. The Aramaic language also has that grammatical style. See "two two" i.e. "two by two" (Lucas 10:1).
The Hebrew word MIN [מִין] means: "KIND (sort, variation)" hence: “species.” It has the same pronunciation as another Hebrew word: מִן MIN [minus the middle YOD] "FROM (of, etc.)." The Hebrew word מִין MIN "species, kind" probably literally means: "the thing from" or "what comes from something else." The Hebrew & Greek words ZAN / GENOS are synonyms and also mean: “kind (sort)” or “various (diverse) kind.” The kinds (sorts) can refer to: “humans, demons, species, produce or spices, etc.” (2 Chron. 16:14; Ben Sira 13:14-15 [19-20]; Matt. 13:47; Mk. 9:29; etc.). Think of every KIND of apple, every KIND of dog, every KIND of human, etc.
the story was not in hebrew it was in latin
There was a documentary on the building,hundreds of workers with modern tools and cranes transporting hundreds of tones of wood hundreds of miles and it still took years.
Even then, it's not a seaworthy vessel. Just a dressed-up building.
Hammy is just a scam artist.
Ken Scam?
The fact he convinced the weak minded to give money to building an utterly pointless boat that doesn't float
Why can't he now fill it with the animals and see how the place looks after a week
@@problemchild1976 I worked on a dairy farm in my youth, even with multiple windows and fans, it STANK after just one day. No way did ALL those animals NOT make the Ark uninhabitable after just one day with one small window and no fans.
@@Mark_Agamotto1313_Smith exactly - 8 people on board to feed, water and muck out all those animals.
I mean the fresh water requirements would have been massive
One who offered free ice cream to the parents of a child killed at his place of business and one who invites known child predators to the place he built to attract children
The Ark Encounter is actually a concrete building with a load of wood on the front facing side
And lots of steel joining all the wooden bits together.
Damn so it can't even float?
@@brettcoster4781.
And a layer of Tyvek to keep the rain out
And it still got flooded once.
True fact, it got damaged in a rainstorm and Ken ham made a claim for flood damage on insurance
Must have been a climate controlled section of the ark to keep the penguins cool. lol
Penguins cant fly, they don't get a ticket...
The millions of dollars that were spent on that fake ark could have been spent on helping the homeless.
That would be a more Christian thing to do.
The homeless would spend it on drugs or something and the money would just funnel right back to where it is now...
But that would not have made a profit for AiG. That is all it is there for.
@@JasonLawrenceJones That sounds like the kind of response AiG would give.
It would have been more charitable, not more Christian.
That doesn't secure his pension (and probably lavish lifestyle), does it?
So back in the day when I was in college, I took a class run by a Jesuit Priest (basically a super catholic) that was addressing the bible critically as a work of literature. Tear down the stories, where they came from, what they mean, known errors in translations, open discussion of what is actual fact and what is not, etc. I'm not a religious person, but one thing I've always admitted was that was probably the most fun and informative class I have ever taken, and I'm glad I got talked into it. I really did enjoy breaking the bible down in a much more substantive way than "just trust me, bro."
Now regarding the Noah's ark story, the general consensus was that it was an old tale passed down from Mesopotamia (the greek word for the area), likely even before civilization existed there in the capacity that let us call it the cradle of civilization, and like most of Christianity, the symbology and days of significance were borrowed or mirrored in such a way that it would be easy to convert others to the faith since they really didn't have to learn anything new outside of changing the words. Christmas happens in the winter when people gave each other gifts to help them through the winter, now it's an act of the three wise men giving infant Jesus gifts. Easter happens during the spring festival times when animals give birth and seedlings start to sprout, but also an important religious day because it was the day Jesus rose from the dead, for example... So lifting the tale from oral history and converting it to Christian symbology is well within the realm of plausibility, dare I say, that's exactly what happened.
So, (pre) mesopotamia, on both sides is the Tigris and Euphrates rivers. If you know the rivers have flooded in the past because you've seen it happen when this amount of dark clouds daily early in the growing season when the air starts to warm means lots of rain and the rivers will be mad and give you all the water they cannot hold, basically flooding will happen when there are a lot of early storms... It doesn't take a genius to read the weather in a broad sense like this. Should those rivers overflow, your whole world, everything you know, becomes flooded for days. Include exaggerations because we are talking oral history and that fish you caught grows by a few inches every year that you retell the story, and you end up with rains for 40 days and nights, and flooding for just as long, but it's not inconceivable that a couple of weeks of intense river overflowing levels of rain caused flooding that lasted for a fair few days as well. The story claims the whole world flooded, but the reality is the oral history probably said "our world flooded." because, their world, the small piece of the whole world that they lived on, probably did rain and flood and at some point a mistranslation or mistelling of the story changed the words up a bit into the tale we have now. Cool, we have a backdrop for the story that is at least plausible.
Within the fertile valley, there really aren't a whole lot of variety of animals, at least not very many that ancient peoples would care to bother noticing... Couple dozen more or less. They have no idea, Australia exists, no idea the americas exist, no idea India exists, no idea Europe exists, no idea Africa exists, no idea Asia exists, no idea antarctica exists... They may have heard stories here and there of far off places as people move around, but none of these would be discussing the more than 100 types of penguins, much less a Komodo dragon or a dodo bird. Those are all way too far away. Maybe they've heard of a giraffe or an elephant, but most likely not, and they certainly wouldn't be looking out for one either when they pass the story down to the next generation. So building an "ark" to hold two of every animal when you're talking about only 30-40 animals capacity at most (many of them being really small) becomes a lot more plausible. Couple rabbits, couple gazelle, couple desert foxes, couple desert rats, couple of whatever livestock they may have had there back in those days... Some doves and other birds, 8 humans... Building an ark with the capacity for that is entirely doable and doesn't need to be some gigantic monstrosity that gives the 1800's British Admiralty a major case of penis envy because this thing dwarfs even their largest dreadnaughts. Great, now we have set pieces for the story that are within the realm of plausibility as well.
Then we have the Christianity influences. God warning Noah in advance to build the ark and tells him how to build it, instead of dude wants to build a really big river barge because he see's the cloudy days and knows rains are coming and last time the rivers flooded, he lost everything, so he builds one, potentially years in advance of the flooding. God said to collect two of every animal instead of guy collected breeding pairs of his farm animals knowing bad rains were coming and stuffed them on his barge as a bet against flooding wiping out his farm again. God instructed him to put his family on the ark before it floods instead of the rivers overflowed and his family all got on his river barge to wait it out because they aren't stupid and they stopped making fun of him for building his boat and started celebrating his forward thinking, even passed the tale down in oral history. God said release the birds and wait for them to return with fruits from the trees that in reality would have washed away in order to gauge the flood ending, or perhaps, the birds just flew away and got their own food because the tall trees were just fine and the fruits and seeds were unaffected and they came back with seeds from bushes that were under water yesterday because the water was receding letting him know the flooding was over... God told Noah and his family to release the animals and repopulate the earth instead of lots of other people in the area made it through just fine, though maybe not as well off as this guy who was prepared for this eventuality, otherwise the massive inbreeding would have doomed the human race right then and there. So we can see where the religious aspects are shoved in for effect, and ignoring them allows us to see the story for something that could have plausibly actually happened.
All in all, once you dig into the story and strip out all of the extra stuff and tone the narrative down, it does become an interesting little story that can give you a brief hint at what life was way back in the day for the people that lived there at the birth place of civilization during a natural disaster.
"basically a super catholic...". Is that one who buggers little girls as well as boys?
It is fascinating how easily a story can change and shift over time. The core of the idea could make sense. A guy built a big barge and his family and some of their livestock survived a massive flood. Over time that gets stretched and exaggerated.
The issue is that many people, like the guy in this video, believe the inflated version as fact. Ignoring the fact that it was written down a LONG time ago and translated to different languages (which is another way details can change), over and over again. Then the fact that the original written version was based on an oral tradition going back who knows how many generations.
I APPLAUD YOUR COGNITIVE BREAKDOWN!
I am lucky, I had no religion forced upon me, and never felt a desire to succumb, but attended several 'masses' and always poked fun at the silly priest in that ridiculous garb, and the trinkets used to validate his narrative.
The neighbor, turned priest, survived on pan handling!
Free room and board, free food, all paid for by the sheep in attendance.
TOP NOTCH RUSE!
I'll take The Ark Encounter is breaking the 9th commandment for 100 Alex.
Which one is that? "Thou shalt not covert thy neighbours ass"?
Myself and a bunch of my atheist friends went to see the “Ark”. Lmao! I wore my “Warning: Scathing Atheist” t-shirt. We weren’t rowdy, we did laugh because of course we did, and we lasted a half hour before they asked us to leave. It’s a ridiculous place that’s filled with lies. Disgusting.
You mean its filled with information that opposes your preference.
@@msf2126 Nope. It’s filled with demonstrable lies
Why teleport and pack animals to boat when you can drown them and just respawn all like in genesis when he created everything first time from nothing
He also didn't have to go through all the trouble of flooding an entire planet, when there are simpler solutions to his goal.
@@Squirrelex just make all bad people dissapear, like he made Adam apear
this is why it is better to have an unwritten Constitution - you don't get caught up in and trapped by the power of the written word. If the Israelites had stuck to oral tradition they would be nothing but an obscure footnote in world history but once their most skilfull literary storytellers put it all down on the page (scroll?) in black and white, it could be endlessly copied and escape its original context.
and voila 2,500 years later you have grown adults banging on about 'God's Word' and missing the point completely ...
LOW ON MANA
God created the entire universe in one week but needs 6 months to wipe out all the evil humans in the world? Yeah that follows.
Aussie here Dan.A koala is just a koala,not a koala bear.Its related to kangaroos and bandicoots. Secondly,the bloke said the whole world was an ocean,so just how did the fresh water variety live?
Layers naturally. The salt water at the bottom and a thin fresh water layer at the top. There wouldn't be any turbulence or osmosis spreading the salt through it all of course for - reasons.
Lets Noah have fresh water too.
But koalas are also related to drop bears, aren't they?
@@philipwagner9169 Certainly they're related but only Noah and Ham can tell you which came first.
The really stupid thing about the whole "clean" bit is that the time of the fictional character "noah" was about 1,000 years before the time of the fictional "moses" - so the rules about what is clean weren't in existence yet.
The really stupid thing about your comment is that jews kept kosher before Moses. some may say it goes back to Abraham others to the garden of eden. but nevertheless it wasn't put into writing until the tanakh around 450 b.c.e. during the first exile when they decided to presurver the "oral law"
The Bible contradicting itself or reality, I never would've guessed
Noah doesn't need to know, the animals are coming to him. THEY know how many they should sent.
@@underhill83No mental gymnastics needed at all, huh? (sarcasm of course)
@@underhill83"I'm a dirty little animal and I deserve to be treated like the filthy I am. Step on me daddy Noah UwU" - a pig apparently
Funny he mentioned bats, because the bible states that they’re birds. The bible also thinks that insects have only 4 legs, and that Pi equals just 3, etc, etc….
Yet apologists will cling to these fairytales and insist they’re true, along with talking donkeys, snakes and bushes.
Never underestimate the stupidity of people.
The fact that there are so many different versions of the Word of God, either God is Schizophrenic or it's all nonsense.
You just have to see how he switches between "loving good" and "I smash you all to pieces and start over" ever so often in the old testament, even when sticking with just one version of the Old Testament, shows as much.
they can't all be right.
Can’t it be both?
More to cherry pick from.
@@hartmutholzgraefeThe God of the Old testament is like an abusive dad. Better do as you're told or he´ll beat you senseless.
Several Unionist politicians, including government members, here in Northern Ireland are Creationists. Always baffled how people who believe the Universe is 6,000 years old can end up running a country.
I call, and raise you one U.S. citizenship. Pretty sure I win.
@@butterg9535you mean one US WOKE citizen! They are not all stupid!
You have obviously never heard of "woke", and how many of those retards managed to get in positions of political power!
@@-WhizzBang- Just looked at some of your despicable language used in your other comments. You don't deserve a response, other than to say: Grow up.
@@vercoda9997 Awe! You poor thing. Are your feelings hurt? Muffin.
Well, I am only 13, dummy. What's your excuse. 🤣
What always surprises me in the Ark discussion is how nobody seems to mention aquatic creatures and plantlife ?
Saltwater creatures wont do well in fresh water and vice versa , so they have to be on the Ark ? ( All the waters will mix so selenity levels will change )
Plants too dont handle being under water for a prolonged period of time , especially under a great depth of water where they will not only "drown" but aldo lose the abillity to photo synthesise so they will die ? Also salt water on plants seems to be hurting them ?
Tigers and lions: "we have enough food"
Other animals: "oh,oh"
People: "... oeps" and "we're also out of coffee"
WAIT, wait, wait! Isn't an argument of anit-evolutionists that "no species ever gave birth to a different one"? So how do we get wolves from JUST one pair of dogs? 🤥
Dogs came from wolves, so let’s try this again! Lol
@@reesbritton6623 You realize that I was making fun of what anti-evolutionists/creationists say and that I refered to the fact that this creationist talked about "dogs"? Sooo... let's try that again! 🤣
using their own numbers
6744 animals
8 people on the ark
24 hours a day
that would give each person 843 animals per day to look after
34 animals per hour
every animal gets 2 mins of time to clean and feed
this is only possible if all 8 people dont sleep /eat /get sick or go to the toilet
and they needed to do this at this speed for a year
There's no way the floor would stay clean.
I don't think you know that Ken ham is a Young Earth Creationist. He believes dinosaurs lived alongside humans.
I've seen a video by Gutsick Gibbon who went to the Ark Encounter. The are spaces for dinosaurs.
Clearly when god told all those pairs (or sevens) of kinds of animals to go to Noah's place, and to behave and not fight or eat any of the other kinds of animals, he also told them to take a brush and shovel to clean up after themselves - obvious innit, there is probably a paragraph in the bible that says this, Ken will know.
Or, the heard of elephants in Africa noticed and one called out to Edward and Ellie, "Oi! Where are you two off to?"
"Oh, us? Uh. Just... gonna scout ahead. Yeah."
"Scout ahead? That's not the direction we're heading."
Edward and Ellie sulk back to the group and Ellie says, "Okay, we can't lie to you guys but we just didn't want you to worry. We're going to an ark so we can survive the global flood that's coming. In fact, Edward, dear, we're going to be late. We should get going. Take care, eveyrone!"
"Hang on. Wait just a second, there. What are you on about? An ark? Global flood? What is the meaning of this?"
Edward looks sheepish, "Aw, guys, we aren't suppoed to say anything. But, I guess you're all going to die anyway so wha..."
He is interrupted, "We're all gonna die?! What?!"
"Yeah, me and Ellie were selected for a big boat because there's a global flood coming and there's only room for two of evey animal so you guys are all going to drown."
Doris steps forward and asks, "Well, how come you two were picked? Why are you so special? I just had a baby. Are me and my baby going to die?"
Ellie makes eye contact with her for a brief moment and then changes the subject, "Aw, guys, it was really nice walking with you today. Thanks for inviting us. We really do need to go. Come along, Edward. Mr. Noah is waiting."
The rest of the heard...
Wait, what were we talking about? I kind of got lost there for a second.
I will be honest here, I don't think Noah could have kept 2 elephants alive the entire time. Like just the 2 elephants and no other animals at all. People get preoccupied about how much physical space there is and how many you can cram onto a boat, but there is also food and water requirements(it didn't rain the entire time so it wouldn't refresh either), the waste removal. Food spoilage, disease. Also you can't just lock animals in a cage, they have to move around and exercise, or they can die from that as well. So no, I don't think Noah could have even kept two elephants alive, given the technology he had. The people who wrote the bible not only had no idea how many animals there were, they didn't have any concept of what it takes to take care of an animal.
Noah might have had state of the art running machines for exercise purposes, and he might have been towing fields of crops on big chains with tractors being constantly busy on them reaping, and had enormous fish tanks on the side of the ark for the freshwater fish, and other separate tanks for the likes of the piranhas and sharks to keep them separate. He might have had extended roofing to allow all the tens of thousands of birds species to have somewhere to land, so that they weren’t knackered for the year. He might have been towing a fleet of other ships to carry all the food, and he may have had a state of the art air-conditioning extraction system to get rid of all the deadly methane that would build up within hours. See, you’ve just got to apply a lack of common sense, and hey Presto, magic.
I love how he's admitting evolution by the very fact that only one of each kind was on the boat 😂
Did he take 7 wooly mammoths? Bit of a risk taking woodworms
Borer beetles, white ants and woodpeckers too. Also having to live with the skunks.
Three species of elephants, that's 21 elephants
He shows a depiction of "Species -> Genus -> Family -> Order -> Class -> Phylum -> Kingdom". Then he points to 'Family' as being the 'kind' that there are 1400 single representatives for.
According to Biology Stack Exchange, there are around 5300 families in the Animal kingdom. The biological variation within a family is pretty big. That still requires lots of EVOLUTION.
That is truly a divine event to get every type of prey and predator to peacefully get on a cruise together.
I'm about halfway through. And let me guess. He is going to say that they only needed to bring 1 K9 "kind" on the Ark, and that pair made all the variations we see today in a VERY short time. And then argue against millions of years of evolution by natural selection.
Edit: .... I'm omniscient. Literally after I hit send, he said the thing. Which domestic dogs did they bring? And how many generations did it take to make Chihuahuas, and Huskies? So. Evolution isn't real unless you are trying to explain how the ark could hold all the animals. So a lab can turn into a corgi in a few thousand years, but a dinosaur turning into a bird in millions of years is "crazy". Sure buddy. Whatever you say.
Well, duh, obviously. Because crocoduck. Or something.
Dogs are not a great example for you to use in this case. The vast majority of dog breeds that exist today did not exist 100 years ago. Selective breeding in Dogs has rapidly changed the number of breeds that exist today. In the past selective breeding was used to make dogs for very specific purposes. Such as Dachshunds. Now selective breeding is done to create boutique breeds that serve no purpose other than being cute or hypoallergenic. Most dog breeds that exist today would go extinct near instantly if humans did not exist to keep them alive.
Damn, you are good.
@@atw9913 It is a fine example. Why do these breeds exist today that didn't 100 years ago? Because you started with... What, 80 or something like that I believe in the early 1900s. You start combining those breeds, new breeds emerge multiplicatively, and it isn't just a single generation. You have millions of instances of breeding for specific traits across a single generation. Now go back to 1900 and now you only have 2 dogs, even if different breeds. How many breeds do we have now? The only way that number is as large as it is over 100 years is the diversity of starting breeds, and the sheer amount of animals used to cross breed for those traits. If they say that today's diversity started with 2 "dog kind" what kind of dogs? Cause if we knew, we could trace all the modern breeds back to those first 2. Or even the first 7 pairs, if they decide to use that version of the story. We can trace the genetics back to prove this, if it was true.
It baffles me how on one hand Creationists deny evolution by saying no one creature can become another…yet on the other they flippantly state that during the “flood” it’s only “kinds” that boarded the boat… and these “kinds” repopulated the planet with the various species today. Evolution took millions of years and that’s just crazy…but it’s reasonable to believe all the animals we have today came about within the last 4000 years or so.
You have macro-evolution confused with micro-evolution. Most creationists will agree with Micro-evolution (the different characteristics of bugs based on the type, dogs, cats, birds, etc) since this is observable, hence why they also think the Ark is possible.
@@THEVIPERGUY1777 One problem: no such thing. Evolution is evolution.
@@THEVIPERGUY1777 actually I do not have anything confused here. For example, the KIND that would include horses and zebras… evolution has discovered this diversion to have taken place at least 4 million years ago. But according to the Arc story, only horses or its KIND would be on board and zebras would have come about later. Science always seems to disprove creationism.
@@barryweatherley5046 fair, I guess I forgot that macro/micro evolution would be two distinctions made by a creationist, and not necessarily other people. My point is, there are traits that are created by cellular mutations but that don’t change the family for the animal. This is where creationism gets its belief, and it seems the Bible makes that distinction.
The Zebra thing is a whole rabbit hole. LOL
It amazes me how much human guess work is needed to decide what "gods" word actually ment! 🤦🏼
Ten seconds later he states that They all know his word is true, yeah sure ok, but which version?
One of the best examples of the flaw of "kinds" is the tuatara, it is the only extant member of its order. You have to go back to at least the cretacious to find its closest relative. Given it is only found in New Zealand and half the world away from the Ark, it would take a significant feat for a such a slow land bound Tuatara to get there. Even with a lifespan of up to 60 years it would struggle to get there in its lifetime. Humans are more closely related to Flying Lemurs than Tuataras are related to its nearest relatives.
When it all comes down to it. The church is a waste of time. Wake up and live for today. You dont get another go at it.
I actually look forward to it every week. I don't deny the science that points to the biblical timeline not being correct and I also thinks it's ok to point out the flaws in the OT prophets. But I also know my demons from the past (ptss, depression) have gone since I chose for Jesus and tried filling my life with love and forgiveness like Jesus asks us. It just really works, I life a different life now. I used to be a homeless junkie, now I'm a software developer. And a lot of my new friends have had the same kind of journey. So even though I probably agree with you about things not being logical, and some things the OT prophets said not being a good moral guideline, I understand their devotion to the bible because it just really works. I would have needed 30 years of therapy. Instead I got 30 minutes of holy ghost. You probably think I'm nuts and maybe I am. But I'm going to continue my journey and try to learn being better in loving my neighbors (in the broadest way possible), respecting nature, helping people, learning not to judge, trying to love my enemies, loving God and making Jesus proud.
@@RyuBateson218Look, I mean absolutely no disrespect when I say that you could've achieved the same thing if you believed in yourself instead of a deity. You did it all yourself, you went through the difficult times and survived. You choose to be a good person every day. You choose to help others, be kind to strangers, love your enemies. It's all you. I find it baffling that you need to attribute it to some other thing rather than just giving yourself the credit. Assuming what you said is true (and I'm going this route), you did amazing things and are an amazing human being. You should absolutely take credit for it. You did it. If you still want to give something else the credit, that's fine, but I wanted to give you my point of view anyway. Keep doing you and living life, dude. You are improving other people's lives by improving yours and that's fantastic, no matter the beliefs. Have an awesome day.
If the bigger number can fit, the smaller number can fit. But let's ignore the big number and create a series of limitations to reduce that big number by a factor of a million.
Those penguins few all the way from Antarctica.....oh wait !!
no, no, they are classed as a bird and or sea animal.
Hearing all the maths about "kind" makes me remember James T. Kirk talking about the imaginary game of cards Fizzben in "A piece of the action". 😂
I had an epiphany yesterday. In the book of jobe, god killed nis whole family and ruined his life to try to prove a point to the devil. His most beloved creation, ruined for someone of no consequence, that made no difference of any sort, completely ruined jobes life, for no reason. Then, when god wanted to kill all humans, his most prized creations, he decided, in his infinite wisdom and infinite power, to force every other living creature, to suffer 40 days and 40 nights stuck on a boat in the middle of the ocean. That is absolutely inhumane. The power to blink them out of existence until he's done killing all humans, then bring them back after, like a just and loving god would, but chose to make them suffer for humans shortcoming, is not what I imagine a god doing.
Also, did it need to be 40 days? Were there pockets of people that God was waiting to die before he would recede the flood waters?
Also where did that much water come from and where did it go?
If He was not happy with how the Earth turned out, it would have been easier to just throw away the old Earth and create a new one.
@@drewmurI do like the idea of an epic struggle for survival by one heathen, lasting roughly 39 days and 23 hours
so, for example, Noah took a pair of cattle on a ship and after the flood "someone" bred all possible cloven-hoofed and cloven-hoofed animals from them? wow :)
Yep, same with primates (aside from us), rodentia, felidae, ursids, etc. All monkeys, apes, porcupines, chinchillas, tigers, bobcats, bears rapidly EVOLVED from single pairs of each of those orders and families ('types' and 'kinds'). Their words not mine; evolution is a biblical mandate in this part of the story.
Hi Dan, These Bible bashers call the Bible "The Word of God" yet there is no verse in the Bible that defines it as such. I have a Diploma in theology and have read the whole library (all 66 books) over 50 times. I have tried to debate this with leaders but they keep repeating their mantra and call it "self evident". "The Word of God" is exclusively a name for Christ and is defined in several places in scripture, to call scripture "God's Word" actually contradicts scripture! If anyone disagrees then just state a verse that defines scripture as this. Good luck with that as there are none.
isn't the ten commandments the only law god ever gave verbatim.
Yep, and even then the question becomes "which ones?"
@@stubbybutt8839Bit more complex than that. but the 10 comms. were superceded and replaced with something far simpler.
@@mark.guitar not by god. and the teaching of his son ie the bible were written down 200 years after his death. 200 years of Chinese whispers and they cherry picked by the Romans to best integrate into their culture does not equal verbatim.
Why would anybody having only half a brain think (I use the term loosely) that they have to defend a belief? To them, it just IS.
I think that guy at 12:20 is quietly suggesting that 2 polar bears having sex could give birth to a panda and a fox...well....good luck with that...
The main question is: "Why did god need a flood in the first place?". He could just speak a word and all the bad humans vanish. No arc needed.
Why did he even need to do that? If their god is the creator of all things, why didn't he just not create bad humans?
@@jase_allen If god designed everytthing it is definetly not intelligent design 🙂
At least in the Epic of Gilgamesh, Utnapishtim only had to take the "seed" of every living thing onto his boat.
i'll donate to that cause.
@@stubbybutt8839 at your local clinic, no doubt 😂.
Forgot the wombs did he?
This guy doesn't even question the fact that god's word is so apparently unclear. Why would anything be left up to chance or interpretation if it's meant to be accepted as truth?!
Didn’t you know Jesus spoke American English? /s