Whatever is out there is it. They already finished tinning everything they had in stock. It's all done. The doors have been closed. Thank you government for destroying yet another business 😠 But lets give the McNiels a huge round of applause and thanks for the many years and hard work they have put into their product. Sweet smokes amigo 😎
What's bad is that these regulations will mostly hurt the companies that actually care about the product. Companies that specialize in pipe tobacco, those who will spend hours crafting great blends, will get hit the hardest while cigarette and "gas station" cigar manufactures will take the hit and be just fine.
Very Sad day for Virginia lovers! McClelland will be missed greatly. Not all news is good news. A moment of silence for all of our great favorite McClelland blends.
Hi John. I was holding back my lamentation because I didn't want to sound like a fluff, but truth be know, I'm devastated. I'm personally not much of a Virginia smoker, but Frog Morton Cellar was (and is) my all-time favorite blend. There is not another blend that can touch that blend in my opinion. The closest would be a Dunhill English, and you know they have stopped producing as well. I'm sorry, brother.
Anthony Adams Sorry for you as well. McClellands 5100 Red Cake was my favorite blend. They have been out for a while. So I have been trying to find something similar. I have been smoking Sutliffs Red Ribbon very close but not the same. But am getting used to it. You may want to try GL Pease they have a lot of Latakia blends to choose from. Never acquired a taste for the Latakia. Good luck finding something you truly enjoy! May all your smokes be dry and cool.
This is honestly terrible news. It makes me wonder what are he regulations for growing tobacco privately... Muttnchop... a new video perhaps? Regulations on privately growing tobacco? I will be sure to stock up as much as I can, despite my youthful age of 21. Muttnchop, could you sometime make a video of all the different types of tobacco lighters, and which ones you prefer and why? I think that would be super helpful and informative. I haven’t found one of your videos that covers that, and I apologize if I looked over it.
Here in canada i can grow as much tobacco as i want but i can't sell it i will be getting my grandpa to teach me as the government wants to do this then ill have "gifts" for everyone and if you feel like donating feel free ;) loop holes gotta love them i want to make cigars to its very calming for me to grow the plant and try the hard work might start a new trend in the pipe community we just need to buy the recipes off the guys that close their doors then make them free for everyone to see.
Well thank you very much for the replies. I truly wish all of you the very best, and that seems like a bit of an interesting loophole with growing. Say for instance, I grow a specific type of tobacco that was deemed (this would not happen) to have 2X the amount of nicotine, and greatly increases your risk of tongue cancer (again, an example). So the FDA says they don’t want that to be available to the mass market, BUT you can still GROW it for yourself and smoke it all you want? That doesn’t make a right bit of sense. Any other ideas with this?
The concern is for all the men and women that lost their jobs, I hope the best for you all! there will always be tobacco but a good job is hard to find! best of luck for you folks.
Matt, that is a side of it that I didn't even think about. Thank you for bringing that depth to the conversation; so important. I live in North Carolina, which has a tobacco-rich history. I've battled with cigarettes for years, and finally found the love of pipe tobaccos and now have to stress about their demise.
Matt Shaw yes that dimension also has to be kept in mind. This affects workers as much as consumers. Smoking for me is a pleasure and an interest, but for some it is their livelihood. The more pressure the industry faces, the harder it will be for those folks to redeploy and retrain into alternative work. Those still in work will be feeling under threat and wondering if they're next. We the community have a responsibility towards them as well.
I thought of that too. I have met the Mcneils at a pipe show before and they are great people. Just knowing that a Small American business has to close its doors due to the governments demands makes me upset. The little guy always gets F'd over
Dunhill and McClelland make my favorite blends. I have 15 tins of Dunhill Nightcap but I don’t even want to smoke it if I can’t replace it. Balkan Beauty is my absolute favorite blend, I only have 2 tins of it and no more of it can be bought. This is really sad!
Yeah, not to sound like a drama queen, but I am absolutely devastated by this news. I love Frog Morton Cellar so much that it is almost like a miracle medication for my stress levels. God I hope these pipe tobacco companies stop going out of business! I don't know if it is true or not, but one of my local tobacconists told me that cigarette companies are putting these pipe tobacco companies out. Again, that is one person's claim, so take it with a grain of salt. But, she is in the industry so she could possibly be correct.
I smoke pipes since a year ago. I´ve just tried a few blends from them really appreciating them, Virginias and Orientals specially, and I arrived to the conclusion that I should buy mostly McClellands, and then this news. I was shocked wishing it was a bad joke. I guess I´ll have to move on and enjoy other blend while they are still available. Tobacco is the fragile part of this hobby/art. Sorry my English writing I´m from Argentina, Spanish native speaker. Greetings
Gonzalo, never mind that your English isn't perfect, it's great, and besides many of us can't even speak two different languages. As far as I am concerned, you are a fellow pipe smoker and brethren. I am disappointed by this news as well. I hope you (and I) are able to find other decent tobaccos to smoke.
Gonzalo Rodriguez Your English is good, don't worry too much about it. Sad to see McClelland go but I think you may like some of Cornell & Diehl and G.L. Pease blends. I really enjoy Black Frigate (english oriental) and Virginia Cream (aromatic)
McClelland was its worst enemy. They went far to big with far to many blends. They had 234+ blends. Most of which were blah, overly thick flakes and aromatics that were tasteless. Sure they had some real winners, but far to many that didn’t sell as good as they had hoped. I’m sorry to see them go but I saw this coming about five years ago. R. I. P. Side note; it’s also exceedingly hard to compete with Africa, Mexico, and South American tobacco. High quality, low price, and an abundance of it. Will C&D succumb? I sure hope not.
graycloud057 - I tend to agree, maybe if they had reduced the amount of blends they were selling to say 100, they might have survived. C&D Is backed I think by smokinpipes.com, I have been to their factory, it’s connected, and sits right behind smokingpipes, so I think they might be ok, but they aught to think about reducing blends as well. 👍👍👍
I literally just came home yesterday with my first ever Frog Morton since I am just starting out in pipes. I LOVED it and now I see this. I hate the FDA interfering with the hobbies I enjoy.
The FDA is going after cigar manufacturers much more than pipe tobacco concerns. The real problem with the pipe tobacco industry is that Congress has cut the agricultural subsidies and ended price supports for tobacco farmers making farming unprofitable or barely profitable and forcing farmers to quit.
@@stockscalper cause cigar companies are not exactly a part of the big tobacco that can afford lobbying. They only go after the people that cannot afford to lobby.
Production on Dunhill blends has already stopped. Stocks will last till the end of the year, so if you like one of these cellar as much as you can afford.
I bought a lot of Dunhill tins maybe six years ago when there were sales...Dunhill was unavailable in the early 2000's for about 3 yrs...then came back...then gone...Now back through Peterson. We'll see what the future brings.
Yeah. Here I am, watching this in 2019 and I have my first ever pipe on the way... ordered. Brand new to pipe smoking. None of this rare stuff for me. I wouldn't have gotten it anyway perhaps, since I'm not in the US.... But still
@@Lycosa I haven't smoked in 6 years... Today I decided to come back to the hobby to find this. Lucky me, I have two tins of MC that I stored before taking my hiatus.
Muttonchop, as I’ve mentioned in the comments in another video, I’m 28 and just started getting into pipe smoking a few months ago. I’ve been buying as much McC as I could. I have about 10 tins currently. I’ll try and buy some more in the coming months and I’ll probably have enough to last me several years but I know in time, I’ll run out. It’s sad to see the state in where the premium tobacco industry is headed and how general society links it to cover smoking. Hopefully, the others don’t disappear..
Muttnchop!! I will miss them for sure... That is my plan going forward hopefully the FDA won't be too bad but you just don't know... Good advice my friend take care see you soon be well
Who's going to be next? You me and every pipe and cigar smoker in the U.S. The way they will do it is through higher Insurance rates that we can't afford for just being tobacco users. Unreasonable taxes on tobacco products "SIN TAX" and the like. And they will do it in the name of your health. It's sad but true.
Man... Just worse and worse news, crazy world.... Even in THE US??? MURRICAHH? MURICUH? AMERICA? Wow! I'm in Finland Europe, somewhat nanny state. Tobacco laws here suck. I hate it. I want the world to be healthy+safe but damn this causes me great grief+anxiety which I've been ALREADY wanting to alleviate with cigars+pipe tobacco
I don’t buy it.. sure it sucks the fda tries interfering with a time honored process. But if you are ready to retire then just say so! Don’t blame a government(though I know it sucks!). But, no bs.. you can fine great quality tobacco leaf anywhere. This is just people wanting to call it quits and retire.
Scored a tin of FM Cellar about a week ago, just to try. I probably got one of the last ones from P&C, they were out of stock on all other FM flavors. No need to sit on this one, I'll crack it open and try it soon. Oh well. New pipe smoker and I haven't built up a stock of anything yet.. I guess I better get busy.
Muttnchop Piper: Long time lurker and new sub and YT presenter. Thank you for your videos (if you are bored, take a look at my channel (Tillerman7 OH) The McClelland story makes me sad.....
Hurt the small guy.. Always. What a shame. What if they started a store brick mortar stores still have their blends so why can't they do the same?? I love the Frog 🐸
Sure, the news does seem very suddenly..however for all those of us who do not live in USA, the vast majority of pipe smokers in the world, even if we are not as loud on UA-cam, it doesn't matter, we have never had any Mclelland any way, never even seen it outside UA-cam. Dunhill however is a global brand and impacts a lot of us. But UA-cam does have a tendency to make it seem very important to more than a small fraction of pipe smokers. However, for the Americans, it is a loss, ofcourse, no doubt.
The bigger picture is this panic mindset that occurs when people perceive a “loss” of a “necessity”. Just wait until it’s food & water that’s running low...the you’ll see some crazies. Me? Just adapt and adjust. If I run out of baccy, it won’t kill me. I’m actually thinking of trying my hand at growing some. There’s always another way. Cheers, Mark
HoosierPiper - You are right my friend, my mind Set is this, if I can get my hands on some at normal tin prices $10.00 then I will pick some up, if not, then I will adjust and move on, pipe tobacco is not a necessity, your right, but it’s nice to have blends you like. 👍👍👍
Je partage totalement vos pensées et regrets. Frog morton a été un coup de foudre! Découvert alors que je fumais la pipe depuis une année, je ne cesse de rechercher ce gout oncteux et raffiné qu'aucun autre tabac ne me propose. Il ne m'en reste qu'une boite que je garde pour la fin de ma vie. Suite à l'arret prématuré de Frog Morton, j'avais apprécié un autre tabac dont j'ai acheté 1kg d'emblée de peur de ne plus le trouver! ...Mais ce n'est et ne sera jamais mon Frog Morton floating log disparu.😢
Hey, man. I love your videos, and you're an excellent speaker. You really take your time and explain your ideas very clearly. I just got into the hobby not long ago, so it looks like I'm going to miss out on trying some of these. Are there any blends that are similar to some of the McClellan or Dunhill ones? Thanks for your time.
Just wanted to let you know you have taken my pipe experience to a new level. Just binged watched your channel and found a wealth of info. I ordered a savinelli porto servo 122 and when it came in I was real happy. I love my bull dogs but this is a game changer. Much lighter and bigger bowl. A all day smoke for me.
I bet they would have never dared cease production of Stalin`s fav baccy.Their lives would have terminated very rapidly methinks.Jim.Liverpool.Just a thought Muttnchop lad.
After viewing this video I realized that i have two unopened tins of Frog Morton that I purchased about 4 or 5 years ago. One is Frog Morton Pipe Tobacco and the other is Frog Morton Cellar. I decided to put one on Ebay and start the bidding at $50 and in two days it jumped to $92. Unfortunately, Ebay deleted my listing because you apparently are not allowed to sell any tobacco on their site regardless of age or collectability.
Thanks to horse shit FDA regulations, I'll never get to try a McClelland blend now. Dammit, why is culture always slipping through the fingers of time?
This was not quite out of the blue. Smoking pipeliner had been sounding the alarm for some time. I stocked up two months ago. I purchased the two blends i wanted. 40th anniversary and balken beauty in quantity. I have other mc blends. Mostly older than 10 years. So Yea, im now buying other manufacturer blends i like Just in case.
I’m a relatively new pipe smoker and discovered Frog Morton cellar a couple weeks ago and it quickly became my favorite. Can anyone suggest a blend that would be similar? Thanks for reading guys.
that's going to be a problem Cellar was unique with the bourbon barrel wood added for flavor, it was a very unique blend, and there is nothing I know ok quite like it....sorry..
Central Scrutinizer - It’s called the Deeming Regulation, I have done a couple of videos on it, check them out if you wish, it explains what this regulation does to the pipe, cigar, vapeing, and Hookha tobacco industries. 😖😖😖
Yeah heard from Andy Iron Rails. Planning on ordering what i enjoy most asap. Maybe someone can copy or get close to recipes, I'd like to be optimistic. Thanks Chris Best Regards
New pipe smoker, have a nice long-stemmed church warden... I'm too new to really be effected, which is a good thing... but I confess a certain melancholy, I had wanted to try some Frog Morton's Cellar. I heard many good things about it. Recommend everyone hang onto their tins, will almost certainly become collector's items.
FDA ruins people’s fun again. I started smoking pipes a few months after this happened, so I never got to experience any of their blends, so highly recommended by so many. I do see people selling them sealed on ebay, so might have to splurge one day. Would you say it’s worth spending $50 or so on a 100g tin?
Also it is important to note that MacNeil never trained anyone to replace him and he was never going to sell his recipes. So at some point it was all going to end. The FDA just forced them out early. Dunhill had two things going on. 1- they were off the market in 2/2007 so would have to get approved. 2- the EU put in plain packaging regs that forbid trademark logos. While the owners of Dunhill don't really care about tobacco, they are obsessive about their brand. The new EU regs are a bridge too far. So with only the USA and emerging markets left it wasn't worth the risk to pay for approval when they don't know what will happen next. My guess is that Dunhill will come back if and when the regulatory environment changes in a more positive direction.
Jeff Allenbrand - I agree, my hope is that once the regulation is in place, it may not be as bad as everyone thinks, and they will resume production. 😏😏😏
Wow, this is unreal. What a sad day. Does anyone have links to the legislation they're trying to push or what exactly they're trying to do? Also, what course of action do we/can we take, if any? This is absolute bullshit. I don't know what else to say or ask about it. I'm flabbergasted.
How much does the fda need,they keep taxing tobacco, until you can't keep a great product going,but then when milk goes up 8$ now everyonewill complain , sorry guys just ranting, just not right,
Todd Blessing - here in Kentucky the state government wants to increase the cigarette tax by $.50 cents, won’t be long and cigarette smokers will just quit. 😖😖😖
I have to make a comment about trying to smoke flakes or coins in whole form. I believe the answer is very simple and I'm surprised it hasn't been figured out. It comes down to your mechanics. Let me explain, if you know how to build a fire you will be successful. Your fire will depend on the mositure level, size and type of fuel. Part of the coins and flakes should be broken up like kindling and the large pieces mixed with them. Arrange your light pieces at the bottom of the bowl, large pieces on top and more lighter pieces on top. This is one example. Ive been smoking a pipe for one year and cigars for 8yrs. I may not have been smoking long but I know more than one way to build a fire.
Putting this in perspective. I am a recent entrant to this hobby, so if I started this year I would be ignorant of this brand. Saying that and taking McClelland at their word, are quality tobaccos on their way out across the board? If they couldn't get quality leaf, then who can?
That's what worries me, 1 of 2 things, or probably both things will happen, the dedicated tobacco blending houses will close up shop because they don't want to scrimp on quality, others will get whatever tobacco they can, quality or no and continue to blend substandard pipe tobacco. either way, its not good for us. :( :( :(
I have only 1 can each of dark star, blackwood flake, and st. James woods.. how can I ever make the decision. OK time to smoke my last tin ever :( I'm heart broken
Can another company not buy the blends/recipes? This has happened a bit in the world of nasal snuff. I suppose ultimately pipe tobacco will be a rapidly declining market. Cigarette sales are collapsing, who would have predicted that even 15 years ago? What chance do more niche types of tobacco have? That said, there will always be someone producing something.
Very rude to give such little warning like that.. not right at all. Atlas give a months notice so we could buy some before it's too late! Very disappointed.
The reason that a product gets sold out very quickly once its out of production is literally some dude maybe like even a few people buying all the stock because it can only increase in value now that its out of production, its really logical its not like the government is buying/taking it all
Dnax - Very True, and it’s a shame it’s that way, but someone who did that will put them away for 10 years, then sell them at a pipe show as aged Frog Morton Cellar for $50.00 a tin. 😏😏😏
First i got to say i respect mcclelland for just closing the doors and not trying to put out product thats not up to ours or their expectation. Second here we are 5 or 6 months later after mcclelland closed their doors has anything changed in the fight against the fda? I know petitions were signed and fights were being organized but has any good news come about?
Dustin Pittman - Been looking into it, all I can discover is it looks like the testing and certification of blends has been put off until 2020, and the grandfather date was moved to 2016, other then that all is moving forward. 👍👍👍
Miguel Pimentel - My advice, purchase the blends you enjoy and can still get your hands on, other companies may decide to go the way McClelland did. 👍👍👍
when smoking a pipe is it supposed to be inhaled or not I hear one say yes and I hear either so no, I am a new pipe smoker and lately I haven’t been inhaling it, so far I really enjoyed it a lot better than smoking e-cigarette‘s and other tobacco, Plus it’s a lot cheaper
Sorry for the late response, technical difficulties. I personally do not inhale, but I have heard ex cigarette smokers do. Its really a personal choice, if you have never smoked before I would not recommend it, otherwise its your choice my friend.
Others can close but they will be a company that’s will be there and there pocket will get fat.and if not I have enough for me the rest of my life. But there excuse for closing is a LAME EXCUSE
Not really. If they outsourced the Va used in their blends, they would have to resubmit all the blends that contained the leaf to the FDA for approval as they would be considered "new". This cost, is/was too great to bear.
Well-said, Chris. Maybe we need to begin a non-profit tobacco clearinghouse that we can will our cellar contents to that is to be made accessible to younger pipe smokers for a nominal fee. As usual, I've learned something new and had the pleasure of visiting you. --Todd
No, I made sure and put the rest in canning jar with a good seal, 20 years is a long time for tobacco to cellar, so in my opinion it was time to break the genie out of the bottle. I will probably only smoke that blend once a year, probably on Christmas Day. :) :) :)
Muttnchop it's not just the FDA. They wanted to retire! 40 years is a long time. I have pasted a blurb from smoking pipes. "Mary and Mike McNiel of McClelland worked like sled dogs for more than 40 years to maintain the highest quality possible of their products. They worked insane hours, seven days a week. Mike would sit up for 15 hours at a time just making sure the moisture content was right on a particular blend, for example, checking it every five minutes, adjusting fans, being compulsive, which is what was required. For the past several years he has worked in severe pain because of a back injury that would have required too much time away from work to fix. "
Well, this is disappointing. Just picked up a tin of Frog Morton's Cellar at Teepee Smoke Shop traveling through the AZ/NM state line. Wish I would have bought more when I had the chance. If anyone is in the area, I think they still have a good amount of Frog Morton's tins left at the time of this writing.
Hey Muttnchop, I started smoking Erik Nording's Foxhound because you recommended it in your English rotation video. I absolutely loved it. I noticed that it is no longer available anywhere and I fear this is because it was McClelland tobacco. If so I'm very sad I only have about an ounce to last me an eternity. Do you have a replacement you could recommend?
It's been said many times: Tobacco will never be cheaper or more easily available than it is now. Eventually internet sales will get cut off. Blenders will be forced to shutter businesses made unprofitable for a number of reasons. Find what you like and cellar deeply so that you can be assured to have what you enjoy (presuming it's a type of tobacco that ages well).
Heyyy Chris i agree with you 100% about the companies and thats what i was saying the hand writing is on the wall the FDA is trying to kill the tobacco industry. Every month im setting aside a few dollers to buy tin that i love and those id like to try. Thanks for the advice. My friend take care 😃😃😃😃😃👍👍👍👍👍 best regards peter.
Bad News ! do You have any "must try" tobacco for a beginner "even to store in the cellar" ;) I ll try to find some "frog" and some Dunhill..... I begun with a Dunhill Black Cavendish "Malawi" and I love It ! (I also never saw You trying Indian Summer tobacco.. It quite fruity and floral) All the best ! And thank You for Your tutorials and info. Nicolas form Belgium
djcaylus - Dunhill has done it a little different they announced a year and a half ago that they were going to shut their doors, and I hear that most tobacconist on line and others have been stocking up, and should have plenty for at least the near future. I did a video called “ My Favorite tobacco’s of all time”, that’s where I would start. 👍👍
Thanks ;) I m gonna re-watch It and take some notes... So many different tobacco available :) Pipe is really interesting... I m not smoking daily and come from cigaret and weed smoking.. And Pipe really have a spiritual effect and peaceful "not as cigaret"' and helped me to get control back on my "addiction". All the best ! Nicolas
I'm a pipe smoker from Prague and unfortunately I can get only 250g of American tobacco per person max and someone needs to bring that back from US in their luggage. Everything tobacco related sent in a post package gets stopped at the airport and gets burned or marked with like 500% tax mark up. I am a lot into English and Balkan blends, so of course McClelland was on my wishlist of tobaccos my travelling friends are slowly going through, but I guess it is too late. All I was able to do was to acquire larger amount of Dunhill Nightcap from Germany for my "cellar" and that was for the original pre-end price. I guess it's actually good that I never tasted the Latakia legends from the Frog Morton series. I would probably miss them now. But on the bright side there is still a lot I can taste and look forward to from companies like C&D, G.L. Pease, H&H, Captain Earle or Seattle Pipe Club. Btw I dunno if you have heard about German blender called Hans Wiedemann and his HU Tobacco blends, but they are awesome and (even a little spoiled) Americen pipers should definitely try them. Thanks for yet another great video and happy piping! :)
Jindřich Jinoch - Yes its a shame we have lost a jewel of a pipe tobacco, but like you commented, there is still a huge amount of tobacco to try. I will look up the tobacco blender and try to get my hands on some of their blends, thanks for the suggestion. 👍👍👍
i think they just wanted to retire and bow out peacefully...rip...all of the drama a couple years ago never came to fruition.maybe i'm too positive,eh?
British Woods, Frog Morton, Frog Morton's Cellar, Blackwoods Flake are staples of mine. I honestly don't know what I'll replace them with once my reserves run out.
Has anyone decided to pick up the blends since they have gone out of business? I appreciate Scandinavian Tobacco Group picking up Dunhill's legendary blends. I'd love to see GL Pease start blending the Frog Morton blends or maybe even Mac Baren.
Picked up 10 500g tins of various McClelland blends and 3 50g tins today at my local shop, I don't think word has spread fast yet, but i already see them doubled, tripled or quadrupled in price already on eBay. Go searching a stock up wherever you find it! 4 of the 10 were Bombay Court blend, so I'm congratulating myself on the victory by smoking that one tin. Gotta give you credit for bringing my attention to this crisis! Thanks!
Very,very sad news.I only discovered the glorious Mc Clelland virginias,grand orientals and more,two years ago.And suddenly all is over.My Holy grails finished by the hand of New Inquisition.The Balkan Sobranie was a battle lost but this is a war lost.Only remains hate and blaming myself for not ordering more tins of this wonderful brand,rest in peace.Let´s enjoy the cellar and never ever forget or forgive the people that killed Mc Clelland.Trully this is a black day for the pipe community.At less on this side of the pond we have learned from you,americans,the healthy habit of cellaring.Greetings,I don´t know if this word is appropiated today,from Spain.Take care,my friend.
Whatever is out there is it. They already finished tinning everything they had in stock. It's all done. The doors have been closed.
Thank you government for destroying yet another business 😠
But lets give the McNiels a huge round of applause and thanks for the many years and hard work they have put into their product.
Sweet smokes amigo 😎
Upon AstariKnight - I agree completely my friend. 😢😢😢
*Laughs in 2021. Lets go Brandon!
@@williamd1891 Agreed!
What's bad is that these regulations will mostly hurt the companies that actually care about the product. Companies that specialize in pipe tobacco, those who will spend hours crafting great blends, will get hit the hardest while cigarette and "gas station" cigar manufactures will take the hit and be just fine.
Cellaring your favorite blends is always solid advice. Tobacco will likely never be cheaper or more available than it is today.
Pipe Miner - You are right about that my friend. 👍👍👍
Very Sad day for Virginia lovers! McClelland will be missed greatly. Not all news is good news. A moment of silence for all of our great favorite McClelland blends.
Hi John. I was holding back my lamentation because I didn't want to sound like a fluff, but truth be know, I'm devastated. I'm personally not much of a Virginia smoker, but Frog Morton Cellar was (and is) my all-time favorite blend. There is not another blend that can touch that blend in my opinion. The closest would be a Dunhill English, and you know they have stopped producing as well. I'm sorry, brother.
Anthony Adams Sorry for you as well. McClellands 5100 Red Cake was my favorite blend. They have been out for a while. So I have been trying to find something similar. I have been smoking Sutliffs Red Ribbon very close but not the same. But am getting used to it. You may want to try GL Pease they have a lot of Latakia blends to choose from. Never acquired a taste for the Latakia. Good luck finding something you truly enjoy! May all your smokes be dry and cool.
John Ferguson - Very sad. 😢😢😢
Amen brother. Hats off and head bowed to the greatest Virginia blenders❤❤❤❤😞😞😞😞😞😞
Not only a moment.Long years of lamentation wait us.
McClellan had several of my favorites. Terrible news. Why is my gov so worthless.
Jason F - because they are more interested in lining their own pockets instead of make our lives more enjoyable to live. 😖😖😖
This is honestly terrible news. It makes me wonder what are he regulations for growing tobacco privately... Muttnchop... a new video perhaps? Regulations on privately growing tobacco? I will be sure to stock up as much as I can, despite my youthful age of 21. Muttnchop, could you sometime make a video of all the different types of tobacco lighters, and which ones you prefer and why? I think that would be super helpful and informative. I haven’t found one of your videos that covers that, and I apologize if I looked over it.
Indeed Dunhill tobaccos are no longer produced either, I have it straight from the horse's mouth, as they say.
Here in canada i can grow as much tobacco as i want but i can't sell it i will be getting my grandpa to teach me as the government wants to do this then ill have "gifts" for everyone and if you feel like donating feel free ;) loop holes gotta love them i want to make cigars to its very calming for me to grow the plant and try the hard work might start a new trend in the pipe community we just need to buy the recipes off the guys that close their doors then make them free for everyone to see.
Well thank you very much for the replies. I truly wish all of you the very best, and that seems like a bit of an interesting loophole with growing. Say for instance, I grow a specific type of tobacco that was deemed (this would not happen) to have 2X the amount of nicotine, and greatly increases your risk of tongue cancer (again, an example). So the FDA says they don’t want that to be available to the mass market, BUT you can still GROW it for yourself and smoke it all you want? That doesn’t make a right bit of sense. Any other ideas with this?
Rowan I'm very interested to hear about this as well.
God bless the FDA... meanwhile McDonalds keeps adding more and more chemicals to their food and the FDA gives them a hug and a warm cup of chocolate.
just my - You got it, 😡😡😡
The concern is for all the men and women that lost their jobs, I hope the best for you all! there will always be tobacco but a good job is hard to find! best of luck for you folks.
Matt, that is a side of it that I didn't even think about. Thank you for bringing that depth to the conversation; so important. I live in North Carolina, which has a tobacco-rich history. I've battled with cigarettes for years, and finally found the love of pipe tobaccos and now have to stress about their demise.
Matt Shaw - I agree my friend, thanks for posting this comment. 👍👍👍
Matt Shaw yes that dimension also has to be kept in mind. This affects workers as much as consumers. Smoking for me is a pleasure and an interest, but for some it is their livelihood. The more pressure the industry faces, the harder it will be for those folks to redeploy and retrain into alternative work. Those still in work will be feeling under threat and wondering if they're next. We the community have a responsibility towards them as well.
I thought of that too. I have met the Mcneils at a pipe show before and they are great people. Just knowing that a Small American business has to close its doors due to the governments demands makes me upset. The little guy always gets F'd over
So obama clinton and bush still get to.smoke. cubans.and snort escobars finest while we are left with monsanto gmo leaves
Dunhill and McClelland make my favorite blends. I have 15 tins of Dunhill Nightcap but I don’t even want to smoke it if I can’t replace it. Balkan Beauty is my absolute favorite blend, I only have 2 tins of it and no more of it can be bought. This is really sad!
Yeah, not to sound like a drama queen, but I am absolutely devastated by this news. I love Frog Morton Cellar so much that it is almost like a miracle medication for my stress levels. God I hope these pipe tobacco companies stop going out of business! I don't know if it is true or not, but one of my local tobacconists told me that cigarette companies are putting these pipe tobacco companies out. Again, that is one person's claim, so take it with a grain of salt. But, she is in the industry so she could possibly be correct.
Shrek - I have 6 cans of Nightcap, and 10 of EMP, saving them for special occasions. 👍👍👍
I smoke pipes since a year ago. I´ve just tried a few blends from them really appreciating them, Virginias and Orientals specially, and I arrived to the conclusion that I should buy mostly McClellands, and then this news. I was shocked wishing it was a bad joke. I guess I´ll have to move on and enjoy other blend while they are still available. Tobacco is the fragile part of this hobby/art. Sorry my English writing I´m from Argentina, Spanish native speaker. Greetings
Gonzalo, never mind that your English isn't perfect, it's great, and besides many of us can't even speak two different languages. As far as I am concerned, you are a fellow pipe smoker and brethren. I am disappointed by this news as well. I hope you (and I) are able to find other decent tobaccos to smoke.
Gonzalo Rodriguez Your English is good, don't worry too much about it. Sad to see McClelland go but I think you may like some of Cornell & Diehl and G.L. Pease blends. I really enjoy Black Frigate (english oriental) and Virginia Cream (aromatic)
Gonzalo Rodriguez - your English is fine, thanks for your comment. 👍👍👍
Thanks Anthony!! And I´m sure we will
Thanks for the advice Kiri! I´ll take those blends in acount!
McClelland was its worst enemy. They went far to big with far to many blends. They had 234+ blends. Most of which were blah, overly thick flakes and aromatics that were tasteless. Sure they had some real winners, but far to many that didn’t sell as good as they had hoped. I’m sorry to see them go but I saw this coming about five years ago. R. I. P.
Side note; it’s also exceedingly hard to compete with Africa, Mexico, and South American tobacco. High quality, low price, and an abundance of it.
Will C&D succumb? I sure hope not.
graycloud057 - I tend to agree, maybe if they had reduced the amount of blends they were selling to say 100, they might have survived. C&D Is backed I think by smokinpipes.com, I have been to their factory, it’s connected, and sits right behind smokingpipes, so I think they might be ok, but they aught to think about reducing blends as well. 👍👍👍
Such disturbing times we live in.
heiðinn - Yes it is, disturbing and sad. 😢😢😢
I literally just came home yesterday with my first ever Frog Morton since I am just starting out in pipes. I LOVED it and now I see this. I hate the FDA interfering with the hobbies I enjoy.
iwantmovies87 - I do as well my friend. 😒😒😒
The FDA is going after cigar manufacturers much more than pipe tobacco concerns. The real problem with the pipe tobacco industry is that Congress has cut the agricultural subsidies and ended price supports for tobacco farmers making farming unprofitable or barely profitable and forcing farmers to quit.
@@stockscalper cause cigar companies are not exactly a part of the big tobacco that can afford lobbying. They only go after the people that cannot afford to lobby.
Production on Dunhill blends has already stopped. Stocks will last till the end of the year, so if you like one of these cellar as much as you can afford.
Ruben Scheer - Good advice my friend. 👍👍👍
I bought a lot of Dunhill tins maybe six years ago when there were sales...Dunhill was unavailable in the early 2000's for about 3 yrs...then came back...then gone...Now back through Peterson. We'll see what the future brings.
This makes me very sad. I'm a new pipe smoker, and I guess I'll never get to try those amazing blends. ☹
70's Smooth - It is very sad. 👍👍👍
Yeah. Here I am, watching this in 2019 and I have my first ever pipe on the way... ordered. Brand new to pipe smoking. None of this rare stuff for me. I wouldn't have gotten it anyway perhaps, since I'm not in the US.... But still
@@Lycosa I haven't smoked in 6 years... Today I decided to come back to the hobby to find this. Lucky me, I have two tins of MC that I stored before taking my hiatus.
@@pipemartz Cool. I have my very first pipe coming to me, on the way. We'll see what pipe tobacco I can get
i get from usa the first frog morton, because in italy i can't find it in italy.
shame... it was wonderful...
i'm 30... i hope in the future
big government once again
Tony - Yep. 😖😖😖
Muttonchop, as I’ve mentioned in the comments in another video, I’m 28 and just started getting into pipe smoking a few months ago. I’ve been buying as much McC as I could. I have about 10 tins currently. I’ll try and buy some more in the coming months and I’ll probably have enough to last me several years but I know in time, I’ll run out. It’s sad to see the state in where the premium tobacco industry is headed and how general society links it to cover smoking. Hopefully, the others don’t disappear..
elton rivera - let’s hope my friend, I also hope other stronger tobacco companies move in to pick up the companies that have closed their doors. 👍👍👍
Muttnchop!! I will miss them for sure... That is my plan going forward hopefully the FDA won't be too bad but you just don't know... Good advice my friend take care see you soon be well
Pipes And kayaks - Thanks buddy. 👍👍👍
Who's going to be next? You me and every pipe and cigar smoker in the U.S. The way they will do it is through higher Insurance rates that we can't afford for just being tobacco users. Unreasonable taxes on tobacco products "SIN TAX" and the like. And they will do it in the name of your health. It's sad but true.
Man... Just worse and worse news, crazy world.... Even in THE US??? MURRICAHH? MURICUH? AMERICA? Wow! I'm in Finland Europe, somewhat nanny state. Tobacco laws here suck. I hate it. I want the world to be healthy+safe but damn this causes me great grief+anxiety which I've been ALREADY wanting to alleviate with cigars+pipe tobacco
I don’t buy it.. sure it sucks the fda tries interfering with a time honored process. But if you are ready to retire then just say so! Don’t blame a government(though I know it sucks!). But, no bs.. you can fine great quality tobacco leaf anywhere. This is just people wanting to call it quits and retire.
Scored a tin of FM Cellar about a week ago, just to try. I probably got one of the last ones from P&C, they were out of stock on all other FM flavors. No need to sit on this one, I'll crack it open and try it soon. Oh well.
New pipe smoker and I haven't built up a stock of anything yet.. I guess I better get busy.
Muttnchop Piper: Long time lurker and new sub and YT presenter. Thank you for your videos (if you are bored, take a look at my channel (Tillerman7 OH)
The McClelland story makes me sad.....
Guess I'll add this one alongside Nightcap and Early Morning Pipe to the list of blends I really want to try but never will.
Hurt the small guy.. Always. What a shame. What if they started a store brick mortar stores still have their blends so why can't they do the same?? I love the Frog 🐸
How sad to hear Chris, Government out of control! Just went to smoking pipes and most of blends are sold out!
Glen M - Yes they are, sad, no, it’s tragic, I hope we don’t see any other companies fall by the wayside. 😢😢😢
Wondering if there will be bigger consolidations like what Peterson did buying Dunhill blends.
It is a very sad day. I am a frog morton on the town big fan. I love Dunhill's Nightcap too. Can you recomend another tobacco similar to frog morton?
Oh no, I just started Pipe and I am thinking I'm missing out on big stuffs. :(
Anyway happy piping, folks.
They just released one more blend! But only to their top 100 venders that carried their products. Check it out ua-cam.com/video/bwi8nSabvXo/v-deo.html
if you cant change your system because of new FDA rules that means you're a crap business.
blame all the greedy people who bought like 100 tins of frog morton to resell >.>
Sad news indeed..Do you have a profile in tobacco reviews?
Thanks for the video, sad sad day for us pipers. Be well Muttonchop.
Rovey 88 - Yes it is my friend, yes it is. 😢😢😢
Well Dunhill, which you just reviewed, has also stopped production.
Noooo i cant read this first thing i wake up :(
LackadaisicalE - Yes but that’s been coming for a while, McClelland on the other hand, bam, it’s over. 😢😢😢
Sure, the news does seem very suddenly..however for all those of us who do not live in USA, the vast majority of pipe smokers in the world, even if we are not as loud on UA-cam, it doesn't matter, we have never had any Mclelland any way, never even seen it outside UA-cam. Dunhill however is a global brand and impacts a lot of us. But UA-cam does have a tendency to make it seem very important to more than a small fraction of pipe smokers. However, for the Americans, it is a loss, ofcourse, no doubt.
lackadaiscalE get off your high horse and worry about your own country. no body really cares about overrated dunghill
me included kidd0, it was meant as a service announcement for those that do care. And plenty do.
Yet “Value Pipe Blend/ Menthol” at Walgreens will be around for ever.😡
Sorry guys, this just really upsets me to no end.
Sirchud68 - like a cockroach, you’re absolutely right. 😏😏😏
The bigger picture is this panic mindset that occurs when people perceive a “loss” of a “necessity”. Just wait until it’s food & water that’s running low...the you’ll see some crazies. Me? Just adapt and adjust. If I run out of baccy, it won’t kill me. I’m actually thinking of trying my hand at growing some. There’s always another way. Cheers, Mark
HoosierPiper - You are right my friend, my mind Set is this, if I can get my hands on some at normal tin prices $10.00 then I will pick some up, if not, then I will adjust and move on, pipe tobacco is not a necessity, your right, but it’s nice to have blends you like. 👍👍👍
Je partage totalement vos pensées et regrets. Frog morton a été un coup de foudre! Découvert alors que je fumais la pipe depuis une année, je ne cesse de rechercher ce gout oncteux et raffiné qu'aucun autre tabac ne me propose. Il ne m'en reste qu'une boite que je garde pour la fin de ma vie. Suite à l'arret prématuré de Frog Morton, j'avais apprécié un autre tabac dont j'ai acheté 1kg d'emblée de peur de ne plus le trouver! ...Mais ce n'est et ne sera jamais mon Frog Morton floating log disparu.😢
Wait. Does that mean they won't be selling anymore Frog Morton? OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
Is there a close second to FM cellar or any others? I never had the pleasure.
Wow, this in INSANE news. Holy moly.
Timothy Woodin - tragic my friend truly tragic. 😖😖😖
Hey, man. I love your videos, and you're an excellent speaker. You really take your time and explain your ideas very clearly. I just got into the hobby not long ago, so it looks like I'm going to miss out on trying some of these. Are there any blends that are similar to some of the McClellan or Dunhill ones? Thanks for your time.
Stench Trench - I would suggest G.L. Pease Westminster. 👍👍👍
Just wanted to let you know you have taken my pipe experience to a new level. Just binged watched your channel and found a wealth of info. I ordered a savinelli porto servo 122 and when it came in I was real happy. I love my bull dogs but this is a game changer. Much lighter and bigger bowl. A all day smoke for me.
Greybeard Hiking - That’s good to hear my friend, I think the 122 Porto Cervo Pot is beautiful. I’m glad you are getting the info you need. 👍👍👍
When is someone going to match Old Dog?
I bet they would have never dared cease production of Stalin`s fav baccy.Their lives would have terminated very rapidly methinks.Jim.Liverpool.Just a thought Muttnchop lad.
curleyteeth - I’m pretty sure you are right my friend. 👍👍👍
After viewing this video I realized that i have two unopened tins of Frog Morton that I purchased about 4 or 5 years ago. One is Frog Morton Pipe Tobacco and the other is Frog Morton Cellar. I decided to put one on Ebay and start the bidding at $50 and in two days it jumped to $92. Unfortunately, Ebay deleted my listing because you apparently are not allowed to sell any tobacco on their site regardless of age or collectability.
My favorite tobaccos Frog Morton and Frog Morton Cellar...... gone..... now what... crap.....
There is plenty of tobacco out there that you can smoke, I guess its time to find another Favorite. Good hunting my friend. :) :) :)
Thanks to horse shit FDA regulations, I'll never get to try a McClelland blend now. Dammit, why is culture always slipping through the fingers of time?
DarkM4773r - I agree. 👍👍👍
This was not quite out of the blue. Smoking pipeliner had been sounding the alarm for some time.
I stocked up two months ago.
I purchased the two blends i wanted.
40th anniversary and balken beauty in quantity. I have other mc blends. Mostly older than 10 years. So
Yea, im now buying other manufacturer blends i like
Just in case.
sounds like you have it worked out, and yes, purchase what you can of what you like, because you never know.
I’m a relatively new pipe smoker and discovered Frog Morton cellar a couple weeks ago and it quickly became my favorite. Can anyone suggest a blend that would be similar? Thanks for reading guys.
that's going to be a problem Cellar was unique with the bourbon barrel wood added for flavor, it was a very unique blend, and there is nothing I know ok quite like it....sorry..
Well, the explanation was rather vague. What FDA regulation, exactly, was the cause of their demise?
Central Scrutinizer - It’s called the Deeming Regulation, I have done a couple of videos on it, check them out if you wish, it explains what this regulation does to the pipe, cigar, vapeing, and Hookha tobacco industries. 😖😖😖
Yeah heard from Andy Iron Rails. Planning on ordering what i enjoy most asap. Maybe someone can copy or get close to recipes, I'd like to be optimistic. Thanks Chris Best Regards
Mark Stengel - That would be cool if we could match some of the blends. 👍👍👍
New pipe smoker, have a nice long-stemmed church warden... I'm too new to really be effected, which is a good thing... but I confess a certain melancholy, I had wanted to try some Frog Morton's Cellar. I heard many good things about it. Recommend everyone hang onto their tins, will almost certainly become collector's items.
Very true my friend, and I am sorry you were never able to try it. :( :( :(
Cigarette tobacco was the first plant to be produced as GMO's. Pipe tobacco is not GMO, so that's why the FDA is attacking pipe tobacco.
Cherokee trucker - Good to know, thanks for sharing. 👍👍👍
FDA ruins people’s fun again. I started smoking pipes a few months after this happened, so I never got to experience any of their blends, so highly recommended by so many. I do see people selling them sealed on ebay, so might have to splurge one day.
Would you say it’s worth spending $50 or so on a 100g tin?
Jeff Loy - Yes. 👍👍👍
Also it is important to note that MacNeil never trained anyone to replace him and he was never going to sell his recipes. So at some point it was all going to end. The FDA just forced them out early. Dunhill had two things going on. 1- they were off the market in 2/2007 so would have to get approved. 2- the EU put in plain packaging regs that forbid trademark logos. While the owners of Dunhill don't really care about tobacco, they are obsessive about their brand. The new EU regs are a bridge too far. So with only the USA and emerging markets left it wasn't worth the risk to pay for approval when they don't know what will happen next. My guess is that Dunhill will come back if and when the regulatory environment changes in a more positive direction.
Jeff Allenbrand - I agree, my hope is that once the regulation is in place, it may not be as bad as everyone thinks, and they will resume production. 😏😏😏
Wow, this is unreal. What a sad day. Does anyone have links to the legislation they're trying to push or what exactly they're trying to do? Also, what course of action do we/can we take, if any? This is absolute bullshit. I don't know what else to say or ask about it. I'm flabbergasted.
I have done a couple of videos on this subject, you will have to look them up, sorry, :0 :) :)
Any hope they will pick it back up?
How much does the fda need,they keep taxing tobacco, until you can't keep a great product going,but then when milk goes up 8$ now everyonewill complain , sorry guys just ranting, just not right,
Todd Blessing - here in Kentucky the state government wants to increase the cigarette tax by $.50 cents, won’t be long and cigarette smokers will just quit. 😖😖😖
I have to make a comment about trying to smoke flakes or coins in whole form. I believe the answer is very simple and I'm surprised it hasn't been figured out. It comes down to your mechanics. Let me explain, if you know how to build a fire you will be successful. Your fire will depend on the mositure level, size and type of fuel.
Part of the coins and flakes should be broken up like kindling and the large pieces mixed with them. Arrange your light pieces at the bottom of the bowl, large pieces on top and more lighter pieces on top. This is one example. Ive been smoking a pipe for one year and cigars for 8yrs. I may not have been smoking long but I know more than one way to build a fire.
That's great, thanks for passing on your way of packing flake tobacco. :) :) :)
Putting this in perspective. I am a recent entrant to this hobby, so if I started this year I would be ignorant of this brand. Saying that and taking McClelland at their word, are quality tobaccos on their way out across the board? If they couldn't get quality leaf, then who can?
That's what worries me, 1 of 2 things, or probably both things will happen, the dedicated tobacco blending houses will close up shop because they don't want to scrimp on quality, others will get whatever tobacco they can, quality or no and continue to blend substandard pipe tobacco. either way, its not good for us. :( :( :(
It might be the end of pipe smoking, we should start thinking very seriously about some chewing gums channels and science :))
Lol, Lol, our luck, they would say chewing gum is hazardous to our health and start attacking that as well.
I have only 1 can each of dark star, blackwood flake, and st. James woods.. how can I ever make the decision. OK time to smoke my last tin ever :( I'm heart broken
it's definitely a sad day, I hope its not a trend
I'm 25 and I'm buying as much as my budget will allow! Who knows what the market will be like in 20 years? I hate to think on it.
wigglybroom - exactly, smart thinking my friend. 👍👍👍
Can another company not buy the blends/recipes? This has happened a bit in the world of nasal snuff. I suppose ultimately pipe tobacco will be a rapidly declining market. Cigarette sales are collapsing, who would have predicted that even 15 years ago? What chance do more niche types of tobacco have? That said, there will always be someone producing something.
Very rude to give such little warning like that.. not right at all. Atlas give a months notice so we could buy some before it's too late! Very disappointed.
I think I would have done it different as well, but maybe they had a reason for doing it the way they did.
The government that can do everything for you can do anything to you. Vote smart, folks.
Latakia - Very incite full my friend, well said. 👍👍👍
The FDA allows terrible cigarettes but causes a company to shut down.
Finkardop - It’s all about money my friend, the one with the most money wins, irs a shame a true shame. 😒😒😒
The reason that a product gets sold out very quickly once its out of production is literally some dude maybe like even a few people buying all the stock because it can only increase in value now that its out of production, its really logical its not like the government is buying/taking it all
Dnax - Very True, and it’s a shame it’s that way, but someone who did that will put them away for 10 years, then sell them at a pipe show as aged Frog Morton Cellar for $50.00 a tin. 😏😏😏
Good call, might as well stock up while there is a wide variety. Our tobacco is way more at risk of being taken away than our guns.
Yes it is my friend, yes it is
Can u suggest a Frog Morton's tobacco alternative that comes close to the Frog series? Never tried FM and want to, as a newbie to pipe smoking
I'm sorry, there really is nothing like it that I know of, maybe another club member will have an idea. :( :( :(
First i got to say i respect mcclelland for just closing the doors and not trying to put out product thats not up to ours or their expectation. Second here we are 5 or 6 months later after mcclelland closed their doors has anything changed in the fight against the fda? I know petitions were signed and fights were being organized but has any good news come about?
Dustin Pittman - Been looking into it, all I can discover is it looks like the testing and certification of blends has been put off until 2020, and the grandfather date was moved to 2016, other then that all is moving forward. 👍👍👍
If I knew, I would have bought some to cellar, how sad. At least I got some dunhill.
Miguel Pimentel - My advice, purchase the blends you enjoy and can still get your hands on, other companies may decide to go the way McClelland did. 👍👍👍
I only recently tried my first McClelland. I would have gotten a lot more than I did.
Walter Young - Yeah, its a shame they went so quick. 👍👍👍
when smoking a pipe is it supposed to be inhaled or not I hear one say yes and I hear either so no, I am a new pipe smoker and lately I haven’t been inhaling it, so far I really enjoyed it a lot better than smoking e-cigarette‘s and other tobacco, Plus it’s a lot cheaper
Sorry for the late response, technical difficulties. I personally do not inhale, but I have heard ex cigarette smokers do. Its really a personal choice, if you have never smoked before I would not recommend it, otherwise its your choice my friend.
This are really bad news. I just received my first frog mortons cellar and it is an awesome tobacco. At least i had a chance to try it...
Marko Naric - Yes you did, at least you can be thankful for that. 😒😒😒
Look, what a sadness, it's serious! It makes me want to cry! I have not tasted all Frog's.
cry??????? what are you 5 years old!!!
Horrible news, what a blow. I hope nothing happens to Solani. Please, not Solani.
I agree, lets hope its not a trend. :( :( :(
Others can close but they will be a company that’s will be there and there pocket will get fat.and if not I have enough for me the rest of my life. But there excuse for closing is a LAME EXCUSE
CjPiper their*
Not really. If they outsourced the Va used in their blends, they would have to resubmit all the blends that contained the leaf to the FDA for approval as they would be considered "new". This cost, is/was too great to bear.
I really miss thier grand oriental siries...
It's very rare blend.
never smoke it again 😭
SAW-1985 - I have a couple cans left, holding on to them like it’s gold. 👍👍👍
Just said that very thing in my video. A lot easier to build over time than to have to try to edge in on the crazy avalanche of purchasing
Colin Kelly - You got it, I suggested doing this 1 1/2 years ago, better to build over time, you are so right my friend. 👍👍👍
At some point the government loses the Consent of the people to govern. At what point do we throw the politicians in the Boston harbor?
Thomas Trammell - When the divide between rich and poor is so great, it no longer matters to the poor and they act. 😒😒😒
Well-said, Chris. Maybe we need to begin a non-profit tobacco clearinghouse that we can will our cellar contents to that is to be made accessible to younger pipe smokers for a nominal fee. As usual, I've learned something new and had the pleasure of visiting you. --Todd
LA Pipe Smoker - Thanks Todd, and not a bad idea. 👍👍👍
This is horrifically horrible news. They are my all time favorite.
Bob - I like them as well. 👍👍👍
who shot frog morton ?
Do you regret opening the 20 year old McClelland tin?
No, I made sure and put the rest in canning jar with a good seal, 20 years is a long time for tobacco to cellar, so in my opinion it was time to break the genie out of the bottle. I will probably only smoke that blend once a year, probably on Christmas Day. :) :) :)
im 18 and i smoke a pipe
Muttnchop it's not just the FDA. They wanted to retire! 40 years is a long time. I have pasted a blurb from smoking pipes.
"Mary and Mike McNiel of McClelland worked like sled dogs for more than 40 years to maintain the highest quality possible of their products. They worked insane hours, seven days a week. Mike would sit up for 15 hours at a time just making sure the moisture content was right on a particular blend, for example, checking it every five minutes, adjusting fans, being compulsive, which is what was required. For the past several years he has worked in severe pain because of a back injury that would have required too much time away from work to fix. "
Well, this is disappointing. Just picked up a tin of Frog Morton's Cellar at Teepee Smoke Shop traveling through the AZ/NM state line. Wish I would have bought more when I had the chance. If anyone is in the area, I think they still have a good amount of Frog Morton's tins left at the time of this writing.
Hey Muttnchop, I started smoking Erik Nording's Foxhound because you recommended it in your English rotation video. I absolutely loved it. I noticed that it is no longer available anywhere and I fear this is because it was McClelland tobacco. If so I'm very sad I only have about an ounce to last me an eternity. Do you have a replacement you could recommend?
It's been said many times: Tobacco will never be cheaper or more easily available than it is now. Eventually internet sales will get cut off. Blenders will be forced to shutter businesses made unprofitable for a number of reasons. Find what you like and cellar deeply so that you can be assured to have what you enjoy (presuming it's a type of tobacco that ages well).
Heyyy Chris i agree with you 100% about the companies and thats what i was saying the hand writing is on the wall the FDA is trying to kill the tobacco industry. Every month im setting aside a few dollers to buy tin that i love and those id like to try. Thanks for the advice. My friend take care 😃😃😃😃😃👍👍👍👍👍 best regards peter.
Bad News ! do You have any "must try" tobacco for a beginner "even to store in the cellar" ;) I ll try to find some "frog" and some Dunhill..... I begun with a Dunhill Black Cavendish "Malawi" and I love It ! (I also never saw You trying Indian Summer tobacco.. It quite fruity and floral) All the best ! And thank You for Your tutorials and info. Nicolas form Belgium
djcaylus - Dunhill has done it a little different they announced a year and a half ago that they were going to shut their doors, and I hear that most tobacconist on line and others have been stocking up, and should have plenty for at least the near future. I did a video called “ My Favorite tobacco’s of all time”, that’s where I would start. 👍👍
Thanks ;) I m gonna re-watch It and take some notes... So many different tobacco available :) Pipe is really interesting... I m not smoking daily and come from cigaret and weed smoking.. And Pipe really have a spiritual effect and peaceful "not as cigaret"' and helped me to get control back on my "addiction". All the best ! Nicolas
I'm a pipe smoker from Prague and unfortunately I can get only 250g of American tobacco per person max and someone needs to bring that back from US in their luggage. Everything tobacco related sent in a post package gets stopped at the airport and gets burned or marked with like 500% tax mark up. I am a lot into English and Balkan blends, so of course McClelland was on my wishlist of tobaccos my travelling friends are slowly going through, but I guess it is too late. All I was able to do was to acquire larger amount of Dunhill Nightcap from Germany for my "cellar" and that was for the original pre-end price. I guess it's actually good that I never tasted the Latakia legends from the Frog Morton series. I would probably miss them now. But on the bright side there is still a lot I can taste and look forward to from companies like C&D, G.L. Pease, H&H, Captain Earle or Seattle Pipe Club. Btw I dunno if you have heard about German blender called Hans Wiedemann and his HU Tobacco blends, but they are awesome and (even a little spoiled) Americen pipers should definitely try them. Thanks for yet another great video and happy piping! :)
Jindřich Jinoch - Yes its a shame we have lost a jewel of a pipe tobacco, but like you commented, there is still a huge amount of tobacco to try. I will look up the tobacco blender and try to get my hands on some of their blends, thanks for the suggestion. 👍👍👍
Here he is. If it helps: www.tobaccoreviews.com/search?Blender=Hans%20Wiedemann
i think they just wanted to retire and bow out peacefully...rip...all of the drama a couple years ago never came to fruition.maybe i'm too positive,eh?
British Woods, Frog Morton, Frog Morton's Cellar, Blackwoods Flake are staples of mine. I honestly don't know what I'll replace them with once my reserves run out.
Has anyone decided to pick up the blends since they have gone out of business? I appreciate Scandinavian Tobacco Group picking up Dunhill's legendary blends. I'd love to see GL Pease start blending the Frog Morton blends or maybe even Mac Baren.
Picked up 10 500g tins of various McClelland blends and 3 50g tins today at my local shop, I don't think word has spread fast yet, but i already see them doubled, tripled or quadrupled in price already on eBay. Go searching a stock up wherever you find it! 4 of the 10 were Bombay Court blend, so I'm congratulating myself on the victory by smoking that one tin.
Gotta give you credit for bringing my attention to this crisis! Thanks!
Very,very sad news.I only discovered the glorious Mc Clelland virginias,grand orientals and more,two years ago.And suddenly all is over.My Holy grails finished by the hand of New Inquisition.The Balkan Sobranie was a battle lost but this is a war lost.Only remains hate and blaming myself for not ordering more tins of this wonderful brand,rest in peace.Let´s enjoy the cellar and never ever forget or forgive the people that killed Mc Clelland.Trully this is a black day for the pipe community.At less on this side of the pond we have learned from you,americans,the healthy habit of cellaring.Greetings,I don´t know if this word is appropiated today,from Spain.Take care,my friend.