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I can't believe it took me a WEEK to fix this "dead" motherboard....
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- Опубліковано 3 гру 2022
- I recently pulled what I thought was a dead motherboard out of an old gaming PC, and for the past week I've been trying to figure out what was wrong wrong with it. Turns out the problem was my brain...
While we're on the subject of my brain, all games were tested at 1080p.(because I forgot to mention that in some of the benchmarks)
Thanks for watching :)
Go easy on yourself, lots of us have fallen foul of daft parts going south on us. Carry on good sir, love the channel!
That just happened to me I thought the motherboard was good because the RGB on the board was on when I pressed the power button and the BIOS flashback LED was blinking but that was the only sign of life pushing the power button did nothing not even the PSU turned on. Tried a BIOS flashback it looked like it was doing something the light on the SD card reader was flashing but nope all that did was make the BIOS flashback light stop flashing when I pushed power still no signs of life. Fist ever dead ASUS motherboard it's a ASUS Tuf B550-Pluse WiFi going to see if it can be sent back to ASUS for RMA not sure if I can because I didn't buy it. I did order a new ASUS Tuf x570-Pluse WiFi since this was a Tuf build I wanted to say with that theme
This type of thing happens all the time. We always assume the worst and ignore the simple solutions.
I agree 🙂
I really like troubleshooting,especially finding the solution after many hours. Its rewarding somehow. Gaming is cool and all ,but gaming after you fixed smth is somehow more rewarding.
Yeah me too, although I’m usually fixing a problem I’ve caused 😂
@@RandomGaminginHD Steve, recently I killed my ThinkPad t440p after cleaning and setting up bios. Took me a bunch of nerve cells and a couple of days to solve. Bios was borked, error during saving settings. FYI: on socketed CPUs thermal paste can easily go to pins after alcohol wipe. This can prevent one and only one channel of ram working which prevents computer from booting even to bios. FYI 2: on some laptops maybe all you can flush bios to default settings by shorting jcmos2 pair of contacts. It was a doozie
Oh it's def rewarding
True.
The move @ 2:35 was very smooth.
I run a small PC shop and half my day is banging my head against parts that should work but won't until I try something that was either so stupid or so obvious that I start crying. thank you for the relatable content
Is the business profitable enough? Was thinking of setting one up as a side business
@@topg2820 I recommend it as a fun side hustle for another couple hundred bucks a month, not as a way to make a living. There are months I lose hundreds after I pay my monthly and quarterly sales taxes. Some months a new game comes out and fifty of my clients refer a friend to me and I make $2k that month. Maybe it's easier not in the US, and not in the 9% tax in Denver, Colorado. I'm A+ Certified, have a registered LLC, do a dozen game benchmarks for each PC, and it's still difficult to move anything that's over $1k or less than half of shelf prices.
I call my biz NEET Computers so that I would stop being a NEET. I've never been able to hold a real job because of social anxiety in spite of being an extravert. so it's also good at that.
@@JadeIsler I see, thank you very much for the insight, all the best for your endeavour
@@JadeIsler oh lol nice name haha, hope it pays for those tendies now
Hours of troubleshooting, followed by minutes of gaming. I guess I really am an enthusiast... Thanks for another great one Steve!
I always keep a few of these button batteries on hand for that very reason as it can solve a number of issues and boot error messages. Great PSA to put out there Steve. Another great video my man 🥰✊👍😇
Hello Steve welcome to the club here’s your name card and pamphlet
Haha thanks
I too am a specimen from the "Steve"(i guess Stephanos) branch. It's good to see we've grown in numbers.
Nice too meet you. :)
2:35 Damn, that was clean :D
Id have not thought it was the cr2032 battery either. Usually that will just stop the bios from saving settings from what I remember.
I've heard about some motherboards in laptops being funny with no CMOS battery, but never heard of desktop PCs not working with a flat CMOS battery.
Modern boards post fine without rtc battery. But back in the 90s this was a thing. U have to have the rtc battery in many of those old motherboards . And back then they used rechargable lithium or nimh or other stupid types of cells that would even leak or explode. And destroy the board..
I think it's more of an OEM thing, I've never seen this on an aftermarket board
I've got a XP Dell laptop that wouldn't post changed the Cmos battery and it worked straight away
@@KuntalGhosh yeah...I was building a system with a surplus motherboard from that old Hot Wheels PC (late 90s I think)... no battery=no go
From the short ones to the long ones I always enjoy watching one of your videos. And your sense of humor always gets me to cracks smile. Thanks for getting me through my work days for so long.
Couple times have I assembled a rig, and after trying to power it on - it's either power on w/o a BIOS/GPU initialization, or won't start at all. The reasons were quite common - missing 6/8-pin connectors on the GPU, missing 4/8-pin on the mobo, missing HDMI cable, forgetting to flip the switch on the back of the PSU, and once I even forgot to put in a PSU power cable!
Boy, how I was happy during those times when I "fixed" a rig which was "killed" due to assembly/upgrade. =)
A bad experience is better than a good one, imo - because it teaches you both the bad and good end results, and has a stronger neural connection on top of that _(in other words, you'll remember it for much longer)._
And props on a wicked stunt on 02:34.
When I was studying for the CompTIA A+, I remember they described a sort of rigid checklist to use as a troubleshooting tool. It used the principle of "check the simplest stuff first" and the battery of the mobo definitely falls into that category.
Still, nice video and learning by making mistakes like this is a sure proof way to not forget the lesson 😀
In all fairness, CMOS batteries are rarely an issue in any modern machines and not an obvious fix given hardware has typically become obsolete long before the CMOS dies (unless a machine is lying unused for a year+). Literally the only time I've seen it recently on anything not a museum piece is a friend's 10-year old laptop which with 4 cores is still passable for Web browsing, etc - tell tale sign was the system clock drifting to the point where it couldn't resume network connections after each time it was powered off (and of course the bios wouldn't set!)
Linus apparently took months, the RandomGaming Dude only a week. We have a clear winner here.
2:37 Was smooth, nice!
I've been there myself... I'd never have thought of it, until by pure chance I came across a random comment in a random forum mentioning it!
In my case the symptoms were slightly different: random reboots at random times, without any discernible pattern.
I switched the battery and... not a single random reboot since.
Let me tell you about the two dumbest things that puzzled me with PCs:
1. Once, a PC had a broken power LED which for whatever reason prevented it from booting. The LED was working, but drew too much power (got quite hot). I cut the cables and that fixed it (was a cheap PC anyway).
2. A broken Sata (data) cable, which caused all sorts of nonsense. Sometimes it didnt boot at all, sometimes it froze, sometimes it didn't recognize the drive. Since it was so inconsistent, I kept changing drives and what-not.
As for the build: I'd most likely pair that generation with a HD7000 series or a GTX 600/700 card.
This looks like it could be a good option for emulation. For example PS 2, PS 1, Dreamcast, etc. Well done in the fix. Not thinking about changing the battery is nothing to be ashamed of. In all my years of PC building, I have never found a board not to boot because of a failed battery. Usually, it just means that it doesn't keep the bios options. Anyway, well done again. I do love your channel.
old dos machines have a tendency to not boot with a dead battery
@@Genirc really? I must admit I have never found that. I guess I have not found that, but maybe it's because I have not been building long enough to go back that far. I mainly started from Windows XP boards and up. Good to know though, thanks.
Oh Steve that make us two...
You're not an idiot. Same thing happened to me two years ago with my current PC. I have a i7-4790K/ASUS Z97 motherboard and what happened was the Q-Code display on the motherboard didn't go to the normal "A0" but froze on "A2". My machine loaded up beyond that point, but the clock was messed up in Windows and the whole system was sluggishly slow. After reading on ASUS's help forum, I found out that meant an "abnormal boot error". The three possible things listed that could cause that were 1) a borked Windows install, 2) a damaged SATA cable, or 3) a dead CMOS battery. I replaced the CMOS battery because I didn't want to start purchasing and switching out SATA cables and I shivered with fear at the process of trying to repair or reinstall Windows. I spent $5.00 at the local grocery store for a CR2032 3V Li-ion battery and used it to replace the old one in the motherboard. Sure enough, that was the problem and my PC worked fine again.
Edited for grammar error.
you are
fixing problems with succes is more enterteining than playing actually, most of the time. I FEEL THE SAME
Oh, Acer. My brother "fixed" his laptop by replacing the dead cr2032 battery with a coin of the same size, a Brazilian 10 cent coin. Apparently, just shorting it did the trick.
Oh man, i'm having a hard time with a laptop right know, and was felling pretty down, but you made me remember that troubleshooting/fixing can be like this some times, keep up the good work and let's hope i find my metaphorical CMOS battery soon 👍
what is your problem bro
me : how relatable u want to be
RamdomGaminginHD : Yes
2:35 yoo ma man's 360ing the traffic that was sick haha
Thanks mate. I didn't know that a dead battery could make a board unbootable. Always thought it would simply make it only reset to factory settings every time you turn it off.
G'day Random,
Totally agree even with years of trouble shooting experience sometimes we just over look the one thing that is the problem because "No, It couldn't be that", your battery as an example as I have never had a flat battery totally stop the PC from working, the worst was not letting it load the OS because of conflicting date/time.
Considering what the i5 is worth (even under $10AUD delivered here in Australia) after installing a i7-860/870 or Xeon for 1156 I would keep the i5 for trouble shooting.
Steve , don't feel bad we've mostly all done it some boards are more reliant on having a cmos battery than others
Gigabyte X79A-gd45 (8d) completely died while in storage (I run LAN weekends a few times a year so the PCs spend a lot of time unplugged in the loft). No lights, no fans, nothing when the power button pressed. Didn't have another LGA2011 machine to swap parts with, so could only swap RAM, PSU, etc but no luck. Looked online, common fault with that board.
Bought a new (secondhand) board & CPU, got ready to swap it out and a friend suggested the CMOS battery. I laughed - I've had CMOS batteries die before and you just lose the clock & BIOS settings. Until I swapped the battery to prove him wrong and it fired into life! Been running fine for both LAN weekends I ran in 2022.
Rob - you were right, and I'm an idiot! :D
I used to have an i3-530 overclocked to 4.20 GHz. HyperThreading was so useful on this CPU. With HT off, I was getting ~20 FPS in Far Cry 3, with HT on it was pretty much constant 30 FPS (with a limiter).
It was quite a while before HT became this useful on quad core CPUs.
This was actually a pretty good CPU, except for memory latency, because the memory controller was on a separate die with the iGPU. But the CPU was 32 nm, so it was easy to overclock and cool. This was also the last platform with BCLK overclocking.
This is literally the same thing that was happening to me. .. . if not for this video i would have never thought to replace the cmos battery with a new one, revived my 4th gen i7-4770k with my 480 build! I'll give a thanks when I can :)
Thats a sick GTA driving skill man
Reminds me where I thought my Z170 mobo was dying, so I temporarily switched to an H110 I kept as a spare / testing motherboard. It wasn't until 4 months later when I thought to test the Z170 mobo with a new CMOS battery, and sure enough it fired up with no issue.
"the true enthusiasts hobby" .. 😆😂😂🤣 got me there, i should feel attacked but am laughing my ass off ... 😅
2:35 this is what 1000 hours of benchmarking GTA V looks like
😁
Getting a stubborn piece of technology working again due to correcting something you did wrong initially feels both satisfying and embarrassing. I could likely write an extensive pamphlet about things to check for based on that. I could title it "Don't Ask Me How I Know This"
Well, it took me one time one hour to "fix" one pc ... I forgot to install the RAM, that i took out earlier that day. :')
My name is Steve and I'm an idiot ... Cracking intro :)
Hello Steve I too am an idiot
😂
You making this video will help someone in the same situation very relieved someday.
'I am Steve and i am a idiot' Best opening to a video
"More subscribers than brain cells" - that was classic.
You are the man Steve! i really like your videos! keep on this way!! Greetings from Buenos Aires, Argentina.
Hey Steve. Ah, the fun of the CMOS battery. Now you know they can do you in pretty quickly. Test the voltage on those, and if they're below 3v, change them out.
Learned that lesson with my first second-hand mobo purchase.
Any older than 2 years old and it gets a new button cell or one I've tested for 3.2V+.
Go easy on yourself, it's easy to miss simple things sometimes.
However - I'd suggest to keep a small stock of decent CR2032s as they're cheap enough to just replace on these old boards and as you've seen it can save significant amounts of time as well as avoiding issues in the future.
God. This has to be the most relatable video ever made
The battery not allowing the board to boot was a really old thing..back in the 90s this was very common for boards to show no sign of life with a dead rtc .
Its always the simplest of things that get ya. But i gotta say i love ur humor XD
"You wanna know why it didn't work? Because I'm stupid" is a recurrent line while working.
Anyone who can admit their mistakes out in the open are the smartest people around. 👌 you're good in my book, old chap.
wow, his name is actually steve? *very cool*
basic name for a basic guy
😂
Succesfully fixing electronic stuff is a cathartic experience
We all make mistakes along the way and we learn from those mistakes and this is the case you learned something from this situation.. love the channel. I'm a long time subscriber 👌
I was troubleshooting a sometimes dead CPU fan on a Lenovo M93 Tiny that seemed to work fine outside the machine but would stop working everytime I reassembled it. Swapping for a known good fan didn't help either. After a lot of back and forth I realized that the fan itself is fine, but a failing cap on the motherboard was expanding and had expanded enough to interfere with the fan and prevent it from spinning. I'm not even mad.
"My name is Steve and I am an idiot" as a Steve, I can relate. I really can.
It's pretty common for OEM computers to behave like this because of bad batteries. I had a Veriton that was also completely dead because of the battery,a Dell and 2 HPs that worked but they were unstable also because of the battery. I wonder how many of these got thrown out because the owner was thinking it died
Now, when you grow up sense of humour got my subscribe.
I like that you Fix the motherboard itself especially it is very old one and anyways W video
Thanks for the quality content brother, but please go easy on yourself. Btw can you do a spotlight on the budget rx 460 2gb model? Would love to see if it will handle 2022 :) Thanks in advance!
Done the same myself back in, I think '04. My auld Pentium 3(still sporting Windows 98 blue screen hell because I was stubborn on the "I'll use it 'til it breaks!" mentality back then) completely died, and the story from there goes much like yours does, get a new battery, and pow, Windows. Took 3 days between 2 of us.
Go easy on yourself, you are very talented!
since were on the topic of "easy fixes" I sure hope that's not what's happening here, so I have a 3800x now, i know for a fact that this sudden black screen screams and reboot error is caused by the CPU or the ram" however I had the ram for a few weeks before this issue started, it lines up with "CPU cache hierarchy error" in the event viewer and just suddenly happens, I couldn't find anyone with an exact fix online maybe I'm just not searching the correct thing but, so far reinstalling windows kinda "fixed" it not really but before what happened was after multiple crashes it would also blue screen and well then its a long story, i hope this made some sense.. I plan to get my CPU traded back to CEX if this keeps happening especially during streams or editing since its most likely the issue as it can even do stress tests at 100% for about 20m one time and not crash then all of a sudden crash while doing seemingly nothing...
(ps most times it doesn't boot AT ALL if I don't have XMP 2 (3200) and OC genie enabled on my motherboard, and I'm 90% sure trying out ryzenmaster with a preset that caused the blue screen boot loop)
Oh god we literally just had the same issue at work with an USDT HP computer. Gave one to one of our course visitors, just to be told it isn't working properly. It was the same battery too! We first tried some old batteries we took out of old scrapped PCs, but since that didn't fix anything, tried a new battery and suddenly, the issue was fixed xD
Never had that problem, and I’ve had a lot of motherboards with dead batteries. So don’t feel too bad :D
What an archeoligical find of taiwanese landfill. :)
I got a z87/ 4790k setup that would stop cold booting, flipping to the backup bios would get it up and running, then flashing the main bios would be me up and going again using the main bios. It was random when this happened but did it atleast 3~4 times and thought I had a dying bios chip. After about 5 months I thought to change the battery and the issue has not come back in over a year. Even worse is the factory battery checked at 3.3v with a meter. My lesson learned when in doubt swap it out.
I wouldn't be too hard on yourself here, it's rare to see a CMOS battery actually prevent something from working at all... but I've seen dead CR2023's do this before a couple of times in PC's, but I've been doing this since the 90's. But I've seen this happen with older cartridge based games as well. Dead as a door nail, new battery and it works again. But it's certainly not common, so I wouldn't expect most to know this is even possible. I actually just replace these on older system as soon as they come in for reasons like this.
A helpful tip
Thank you
Don't be so harsh on yourself, you've succeeded in the end anyway))
One time my friend's dad had me take a look at his computer since it wouldn't turn on. I deemed it to be the power supply, so he replaced it and gave me the old one.
A full year later, I thought to check the CMOS battery. That was it. That was the problem. It worked fine.
Damn. That i5 bottlenecks the GTX 1060 so hard that in GTA 5 you get the same framerate as I do with my R5 3600 + GT 1030 system...
i thought my cpu was dead a while ago but turns out my motherboard had broken cpu socket pins go easy on yourself your a smart guy
@RandomGamingInHD, I laugh, but I've been there done that. Good practice, keep a stash of those batteries on hand, and replace EVERY battery in a new to you motherboard that's at least 3-5 years old (your pick really). It'll save you the headache later. I've been rebuilding one of every generation myself, and yeah, every board before Ryzen got a new battery.
when in doubt, ALWAYS replace the CMOS battery. works more times than not hahaha
Yeah lesson learnt
It's weird but your voice reduces my anxiety.
Glad u got it working, I would recommend the 2.93ghz Xeon quadcore cpu or faster.
the steps are reset bios, ram stick, maybe power supply, motherboard/power delivery , then cpu
Happens to best of us!! This why I always have a 50 of this CR2032 at my table. And yes change them first at any old motherbord.
@elcactuar3354 I do have one as well, even have fancy oscillograph 👍. Sometime is just better to change and forger then try to relay on 0,8 v battery.
It happens to the best among us.Sometimes I also have Pc problems that are theoretically very easy to fix. But I often get caught up in very complicated attempts, because some solutions seem much too obvious an easy to me in the first moment.
In Germany we have a nice saying. Why easy, when you can also do it complicated?
I make it a habit to replace the CMOS battery on everything I build - it eliminates frustrations like this. However, I tend to go bigger budget and buy Duracell or Energizer as I *know* those will work from new, as opposed to some unknown battery from China. I used to have an i5-650 back in 2010 when it was new, I used it for 5 years. I only upgraded because it would not run GTA 5.
I actually own a Xeon x3440 (or i7 860) This CPU is a true veteran, but it's still alive and kicking when you overclock it to 4000 mhz, though it's hot as hell and it can't run warzone 2.0 at all because its missing some instructions and it can't maximise my GPU in some intensive games any more. So I am finally planning to buy a new CPU =)
That happened to me back in 2020. I spent the equivalent of over a hundred quid for a Ryzen 3 3100, installed it on an ASUS A320M-K board and it did not POST for whatever reason. Took me several hours troubleshooting and wondering if I toasted my rig when it apparently turned out to be just the matter of pulling out the CMOS battery for a while and reinstalling it again. From my experience it's to be expected with processor swaps as the BIOS settings may have been set with that particular processor in mind (microcodes or something, idk), and flushing the CMOS should clear things up.
I must admit before I even launch any new game I install, I check pcgamingwiki and steam guides for tweaks and stuff xD I just love tweaking around and getting the best possible experience, be it editing config files or installing some awesome community mods! Hooray for pc gaming :P
Fun fact: holding a coin cell (one of these batteries) by the flat surfaces completes a circuit and can discharge it in a few seconds, so whenever handling them you should only hold the sides
With a tweezers, not with the hand, you should add.
And the current output on those particular cells is so low _(they're not 18650's, which don't have a protection at all),_ that it's gonna take *a lot* more than mere seconds to deplete a fresh 2032. =)
In my experience it's only the OEM boards that don't cooperate in the absense of a 2032. Retail motherboards don't seem to care about the presence of the 2032 aside from saving settings or the time.
Dood that’s awesome. I pulled a PC out of a neighbor’s trash. Didn’t start. Turned out to be fine except for 1 blown memory stick. Replaced all the RAM, power supply, and new fans. Good as new. And it was an ASUS system.
its ok steve, i still think your channel is cool ;)
the intro made me cackle out so loud at an airport
Haha, sometimes the most basic fixes are the ones that work the best! Glad to hear that the motherboard is now back to life, though I wouldn't necessarily go out and buy anything based on the 1st gen i series.
My, how technology has progressed, with 2c/4t i5's back then, compared to 6c/12t i5's nowadays.
It really is the enthusiast's dream.
No need to be harsh on yourself, fixing PCs with simple and obvious options while them not being a first thought... It's a given, And I would be surprised to see someone not having that case.
2:35 dat drift tho
I have a old potentially dead motherboard which has 2gb of ddr333 and I have no idea what to do with it or where to start if I wanted to try and fix it.
The board is a a7v400-mx-se for those wondering
I tried fixing my PC last year thinking it was the PSU that stopped working so figured I had to buy a new one when it ended up just being the fuse in the plug itself. I think some people's minds automatically don't think of the simplest things and try everything else out first.
Same experience with an older Asus 970 Pro/Aura. That battery died and the board acted screwy then wouldn't boot. New battery and that board is still running today.
1:05 I picked up a Xeon X3470 for a dell optiplex 980 probably 4 or 5 years ago for only $20(PC was also only $20) the downside of the x3470 though is that it gives up the iGPU for 2 more cores, 4 more threads, and double the supported RAM capacity
It's always the rtc battery. My friend's PC shut down during a thunderstorm. I was afraid that his motherboard would be toast. Pulled and reinstalled the rtc battery and it booted.
just something for the csgo benchmark there is a very cpu intensive setting in audio (advanced 3d audio processing) disabling it can leave up tu 30% boost performance on low core counts or just slow cpu in general
The intro kills me 😂
The dreaded "everything got fixed after a cmos reset", whether it takes you a few minutes or a couple days to figure it out, it is such a frustrating thought of having killed an entire system lol