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thank you for the research. However you got the title wrong. Both the PRC and ROC agree that Taiwan is part of China (ROC's capital is still Nanjing). They just don't agree on who is in charge of China. De facto this has led to the PRC controlling a larger part of the realm which both sides consider one and unified.
To understanding the history of China after the Qing Dynasty is very difficult, especially when it is filled with misinformation spread by Communist China.
The reason why the Kuomintang lost in the mainland because Chiang Kai Shek still hasn't remove the "Army Corruption" and "Incompetent Officers" modifiers. If only he didn't spend all of the army experiences to the mass assault doctrine
When Chiang Kai-shek retreated to Taiwan in 1949, his army had been fighting the Communist army for 20 years. It was difficult to say that it was a problem with the army. At least the Americans in North Korea in 1950 would definitely disagree. The first batch of weapons assistance from the Soviet Union to the Chinese army was in May 1951, so there is no reason why the CCP army is strong because of Soviet weapons.
China’s resistance to Japan is one of the great untold stories of World War II. Though China was the first Allied power to fight the Axis, it has received far less credit for its role in the Pacific theater than the United States, Britain or even the Soviet Union, which only joined the war in Asia in August 1945. The Chinese contribution was pushed aside soon after the conflict, as an inconvenient story in the neat ideological narrative of the Cold War. Though far weaker and poorer than the mighty United States or the British Empire, China played a major role in the war. Some 40,000 Chinese soldiers fought in Burma alongside American and British troops in 1944, helping to secure the Stilwell Road linking Lashio to Assam in India. In China itself, they held down some 800,000 Japanese soldiers. The costs were great. At least 14 million Chinese were killed and some 80 million became refugees over the course of the war. Quick summery Japan invaded China in 1937 and brought World War II to the Far East and the pacific theaters. The US waited until 1941 to official send aids to help China after the bombing of the Pearl Harbor that took place in the same year and directly sent troops to China in 1945, a total 9 years after the invasion started. China had been fighting the war longer than any other country, as well as the difference in the nature of the war for the Chinese from them: for the Chinese, it was a war to liberate their homeland from invading forces who had a larger number of modern weaponries and well-trained troops. The contribution of the Chinese to the pacific theater was immense, and was disproportionate to the recognition it gained at the end of the war. --Wendi Qiu
The ROC government relocated to Taiwan in 1949 while fighting a civil war with the Chinese Communist Party. Since then, the ROC has continued to exercise effective jurisdiction over the main island of Taiwan and a number of outlying islands, leaving Taiwan and China each under the rule of a different government.
yeah so technically there are two chinas. there is the PRC in the mainland and the ROC on the island of taiwan (that's also the island name), just like how there are 2 congos, 2 koreas. I like to think of it this way.
@@blackdesertsage9836 i mean ye but those 3 are different examples. 1. both congos liberated themselves by france and belgium, both majority french speaking countries
@@blackdesertsage9836 the koreas both basically diverged from each other. soviets and americans occupied land to the 39th parrelel and installed puppets to control their occupation when they left
@@blackdesertsage9836 the roc "taiwan" isnt a split of the prc. its the opposite. the roc was the legitimate government of the north but the prc is the rebellion which driven them out
@@mp3random536 The difference is that the ROC already existed. It's just that after the PRC took the mainland, Taiwan is basically all the territory they have left.
The Republic of China was established in 1911, Mainland China, not Taiwan! Even the current constitution of ROC, which is still in force in Taiwan, was adopted in 1947, in Nanjing, Mainland China.
The Chinese civil war has not ended until today! When Taiwan's military was stronger than the mainland, Taiwan's fighter jets often flew to the mainland for reconnaissance and even bombing! At that time, the West remained silent! Now that the mainland's military is stronger than Taiwan, the mainland's fighter jets are only active around Taiwan Island, and the West is shouting! I hope Western netizens who support Taiwan's independence can become the heads of your states and recognize Taiwan!
Thanks very much for highlighting an obvious historical fact that has been pushed aside. Tibet never officially seceded from China. The KMT gov maintained an overseer office in Lhasa until around 1948. 😊😊
yeah exactly, the CCP basically just tightened up the control over these western regions that were part of the Qing and KMT gov(with less control). Obviously, not everyone were happy with the move, hence we had people saying stuff like free tibet, xinjiang.
Essentially, it’s a North/South Korea situation but where if North Korea was to control the entire peninsula and South Korea only controlled Jeju island.
@Hhenry-sk7rn yes, that makes their current situation totally different from Korea. Like night & day 🙄 How can you be a successor of something that still exists? What does that even mean?
@Hhenry-sk7rn Everything you wrote here is irrelevant to your argument. The “coexistence” of the ROC & the “Qing Dynasty” isn’t so much a “coexistence” as it is the former last Qing emperor being the 1st emperor of Manchukuo when Japan carved out Manchukuo out of former ROC territory of the historical lands of Manchuria. A better example for your argument would be when the Qing conquered the Ming, and the Ming dynasty fled to Formosa/Taiwan. But even then, the Qing eventually conquered the remnants of the Ming in Formosa/Taiwan, which has yet to happen with the ROC in Taiwan. So your argument that the PRC is the “successor” to the ROC is at the very least premature.
@@clementkong8133 United Nations General Assembly Resolution 2758,passed on 25 October 1971, recognized the People's Republic of China as "the only legitimate representative of China to the United Nations" and removed "the representatives of Chiang Kai-shek" (referring to the Republic of China, whose central government had relocated to Taiwan from the mainland) from the United Nations.
Taiwan is part of China. The question is how you define "China." "China" can mean either the PRC regime or a much broader geographical, historical, and civilizational concept of the Chinese Nation. 180 UN member countries in the world currently acknowledge the PRC as the sole sovereign regime over all of China including Taiwan. So legally speaking, Taiwan is a de jure part of China. De facto, the PRC has no control over Taiwan's internal administration, so it is not a de facto part of the PRC. So in short, Taiwan is part of China. Taiwan is PRC's de jure territory, acknowledged by most states and all major states in the world. Taiwan is de facto not under PRC governance. Very simple actually. A lot of people got confused, because they do not know why "China" is different from "PRC."
@@Gbrowxso what? They are the losing side. If Taiwan aka ROC holds half or most of the mainland you think they will drop the claim as China? I don't think so.
The post-war international arrangement of the Second World War was the return of the island of Taiwan from Japanese colonization to China. This was written in the Potsdam Proclamation and the Cairo Declaration. Are those who believe that Taiwan is not part of China going to deny and overturn the outcome of the Second World War?
Say we all agree on the Potsdam Proclamation and the Cairo Declaration, TW was returned to the ROC not the PRC. The PRC was established in 1949 and never had it ever ruled Taiwan, Penghu, Kinmen and Matzu islands. After the civil war, the nationalist government fled to TW and still exsits for 70+ years. So technically speaking, both parties across the strait claim to be the sole ligitimate China. Although here in Taiwan less and less people hold on to this kind of claim. I myself see us as Taiwanese reather than Chinese. But if I must admit that Taiwan belongs to China, it has to be the ROC not the PRC.
@@格維張 Taiwanese and anti-communist and anti-Chinese elements are just good at sophistry. Whether it is PRC or ROC, it is the same China, they are the legitimate government representatives of China at different times. the ROC enjoys the right to take over Taiwan on behalf of China because it was China's government during WWII. But with the defeat of ROC in the civil war, it lost its rule over mainland China, and it even lost its representative seat in the United Nations and diplomatic relations and international recognition from most countries in the world. The ROC no longer exists in international law. the ROC can no longer represent China, it is just a remnant of the former Chinese government on the Chinese island of Taiwan. Since Taiwan belongs to China and the PRC is the only legitimate representative of China, the PRC has sovereignty over Taiwan and the ROC is just a bunch of rebel cutthroat forces. Whoever represents China owns the sovereignty of Taiwan. According to your sophomoric logic, Taiwan was taken by Japan from the Manchu Empire and should be returned to the Manchu Empire after defeat, why should it be returned to ROC? Because the Manchu Empire no longer exists and no longer represents China. As a matter of fact, the United Nations and countries around the world handle the Taiwan issue in the same way. No matter how much the anti-China and anti-communist elements support Taiwan's independence against China, but their officials will not establish diplomatic relations with the Taiwan authorities nor recognize Taiwan's independence. Because this is a Pandora's box. Territorial sovereignty will not be changed by a change of regime, or else the ethnic separatist forces and opposition in any country will use it to split the country and create chaos, and sovereignty and internationally recognized integrity will all be in vain.
If you wish to make a claim on the blood of the Taiwanese and the culture the people in Taiwam have, know that Japan ruled over Taiwan for a long time, and the Taiwanese would much rather become part of Japan again. Than China.
as a chinese,thank u for ur work,what u have told is 90% same as i learned from school in mainland,now more and more people know the fact,that is:china civil war is not ended,and the state is not stable as one side become stronger and stronger,the only reason china is not unified to one entire country is :United States....the americans is the only one who stop china unification,and we chinese are working hard to change this situation in our decades,and try hard to give our decendants a unified china ....
I think people seem to be very confused about the cultural identity of Taiwan. Let's be honest? The majority of the people living in the island of Taiwan are mostly Han Chinese. There is a reason why they are using Chinese characters for writing, speaking a Chinese dialect, even their own flag came from China since 1917 CE, it is also called the ROC which stands for the Republic of China, and etc. Being an independent nation is one thing but calming to be different people/culture from China is just dead wrong. No hate it's just simple facts the people living on the island of are still mostly Han Chinese.
Yes but what does that have to do with whether Taiwan should be an independent country or not? Germany and Austria both are mostly ethnic Germans and yet are two countries. Canada and the US both use English and yet are two countries.
@@TheECSH It has everything to do with it. The people won't too be unified again under 1 China. It's only the 2 governments and the ones loyal to each party that are preventing it. Since both governments still see themselves as mostly enemies. It's like India and what is now called Pakistan including Bangladesh and Kashmir. If it wasn't Religion India would be much more bigger. If you're not very familiar with Taiwan? You should know it still calls itself the ROC which stands for the Republic of China. Again? The people want reunification it's a matter of the 2 different government ideology preventing it.
@@TheECSH Your not very bright or smart! In Austria's case? After WW 2 ended the Allies wanted to make sure Germany doesn't become powerful again. So it was the Allies who wanted Austria not to be part of Germany. Canada and USA are the same. The main difference is USA Rebelled against it's Colonial master Canada didn't and stayed with it. Germany and Austria are the same people. But? They both lack the cultural identity. Same with USA and Canada they are the same people. But? They both lack the cultural identity and one only rebilled against their colonial master.
@@Ju-pc3rx There is no country named Taiwan on this earth. The government elected by the Taiwanese is the Republic of China, which was found in the year 1912 and had ruled the whole China until 1949, as the People's Republic of China was found. The current constitution of the Republic of China on the island Taiwan was legislated in 1947, as the Republic of China ruled the whole China yet, which still claims the whole China as its territory today, the all Chinese as its citizen. english.president.gov.tw/page/93 That is the reason why there is the "One-China" police all over world. That means only one government can be the only one legal government of China, either the Republic of China on the island Taiwan or the People's Republic of China in the continent China. The Taiwan issue is the domestic issue of China, like the Hawaii of the USA, Catalonia of Spain and Bavaria of Germany. Hence Taiwan is part of China, the Taiwanese are Chinese, until a referendum will be hold to make a new nation with its own constitution like "the United States of Taiwan" or "the united kingdom of great Taiwan". If these weren't the facts and truth, please pointe it out with evidence.
People seem to forget that the official name of Taiwan is the Republic of China and the ROC claims not just the mainland but also Outer Mongolia (and Tibet) as part of its regions. So this situation with Taiwan and China is not like Ukraine vs Russia, as Taiwan has a majority ethnic Han Chinese population but also claims the mainland too. It should also be noted there is a growing sentiment of reunification that often isn’t covered by at least American or western news as the people of Taiwan. With China becoming more powerful it simply makes economic sense to be on good terms with the mainland, not to mention the historical and cultural roots Taiwan has with China. There is also of course a sentiment that Taiwan does not want to turn into some kind of vassal state/lapdog of America. All of this is complex but I unfortunately think that most people who only grew up with a western view on this situation seem to not fully grasp it. Remember, China is not just a nation, it is more so a civilization.
@@waisinglee1509 ROC doesn't want to unite with Communist government in mainland China. But ROC want to reoccupy mainland China. Taiwan (ROC) claim Mongolia, Tuvan in Russia, parts of Kazakhstan, parts of Nepal, parts of Myanmar, etc which China (PRC) stopped claiming. PRC solved their border disputes with 10 out of 17 which they had disputes (Russia, Mongolia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Afghanistan, Nepal, Myanmar, Laos, Pakistan and North Korea). Only 7 countries still have border disputes with China (India, Taiwan, Vietnam, Philippines, Malaysia, Bhutan and Japan). But Taiwan (ROC) still claim all the land. So, PRC is better than ROC.
So basicly the nationalists took over while the communists were weak. Circled them but failed to notice that they fled. Then they started their capture plan again just to be interrupted by Japan. By being stubborn in taking action against the communists instead of the external threat they lost internal support (again). After Japan lost the Soviet Union supported the Chinese communists and with the support of the main population too, the nationalists lost and fled to Taiwan. And somehow the communists failed to take Taiwan to this day (at first without the protection of the US and now because of it). Man, Chinese history is really something else...
I am Chinese, and I can provide you with some history as to why the Communist Party did not take over Taiwan. In October 1949, the Communist army attacked Kinmen Island, which was only 5 kilometers away from the mainland. As a result, more than 9,000 troops were lost, and only 180 square kilometers of it was not captured. In January 1950, the Truman administration declared not to interfere in the Chinese Civil War. At the same time, Mao Zedong visited the Soviet Union, seeking to purchase warships from the Soviet Union and establish a navy. In June 1950, the Korean War broke out. The United States sent troops to North Korea and stationed the Seventh Fleet in Taiwan until its withdrawal in 1979. In September 1950, about 500,000 troops attacking Taiwan began to temporarily suspend military operations, and the Chinese army began to send troops to North Korea. In our eyes, the United States is the only obstacle to the territorial division of China, and we always remember this. So whenever Americans speak on the Taiwan issue, please understand if the Chinese express anger.
Then u need an unbiased teacher. Don't be brainwashed by him. Check the book and historical papers. He artificially lied that ROC established in1949 to make you think Taiwan had nothing to do with China in history.
Just know that most Taiwanese people commonly hate Chaing because not only did he not reflect on his defeat and fix his issues, but he basically enforced the same governing style in Taiwan as the one that failed him in China. And there's also the fact that the KMT soldiers and government in general look down on the local Taiwanese and see them as "Japanese colonial slaves". They have fewer opportunities for high-end jobs like lecturing, doctoring, and governing. And Chaing subsequently mass murdered a ton of people in the name of anti-espionage during the White Terror period. (Go watch gameplay of Detention to know more) When Taiwan was still under authoritarian KMT rule, bronze statues of Chaing were set up everywhere around the country, but nowadays people see them as an eyesore, so much so that there is one park in Taipei that is packed full of Chaing statues because people don't want them and this is the only place that is willing to adopt the statues.
This is why it should be ambiguous and not outright independent. Because whatever anyone says, both sides claim to be China. Just one is the republic and the other the people’s republic.
China built houses in Taiwan in 1171, reclaimed farmland, garrison taxes, established the official administration in 1335, set up the Taiwan government in 1683, under the jurisdiction of Fujian Province, almost all of the people in Taiwan Province migrated from Fujian province, the two places speak the same accent dialect, Taiwan Province is 98 percent Han
Obligatory comment addressing the video title, that Taiwan technically is part of China through the Republic of China, and no country in the world recognizes Taiwan as separate from China.
I wonder why Dr Sun Yat-sen isn't mentioned when you talk about 1912? Why is there nothing about the Nanking massacre in 1937? Why is there nothing about 1958 Mao/Eisenhower invasion of Taiwan?
That's not actually the Soviet flag but is the Chinese Communist Party flag. There is a gold star above the hammer and sickle on the Soviet flag that is missing from the CCP flag.
Who cares about who is living on that island? China just doesn't allow anyone to separate their country; if anyone does, they will take it back by force, which is totally understandable. Let's say California is a mix of American, Chinese, French, Spanish, and god knows what other races. And now ruled by the US government, what are you trying to say here?
Chiang Kai-shek's Nanjing regime declared that it had unified China. In fact, we all know that the local warlords only obeyed superficially. During his reign, he was committed to weakening local military power and maintaining central military power. He ordered the local army to encircle and suppress the weak CCP. In my opinion, it was also an excuse and means to consume the power of the warlords and win the support of the capital behind them. So I think it’s totally fine for the CCP to declare nominal reunification now.
Actually the us government could have kept the nationalist in the fight if it gave them enough economic aid. But the Truman administration was short sighted and didn’t see the impact a regime change in china would have made on the world stage.
at that time chang kai shen and those nationalists are far more corrupt and chang is a true dictator according to Stilwell. on the other hand the relationship between ccp and Soviet is not that good because Soviet like to control its allies which ccp refue. and ccp is at least pretending they welcome democracy and negotiations rather the chang being a true dictator. ccp even come to us and ask for aid.
Despite all the times the CCP has attempted to invade Taiwan. What not many people talk about was how the Republic of China also made several attempts to invade and retake their former territories from their base in Taiwan. However, in 1965, the ROC and PLA had two naval engagements. Despite boasting a superior navy, the ROC navy couldn't overcome the PLA navy. And since any large scale invasion requires control of the sea, there was just no feasible way for the Nationalists to mount a successful invasion. Also, even during the troubled times of the Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution. There wasn't really any popular support for Chiang Kai Shek or the Nationalist cause. And since the remnants of Chiang's forces had already been weakened by years of fighting the Japanese during WWII. There was really no realistic way for him to reunite China under the ROC. They lacked military power, didn't have the hearts and minds of the mainland populace, and even the US wasn't interested in backing their plans for conquest.
While we in Taiwan appreciate your explanation and support, this narrative isn't quite accurate. Before the KMT lost China and fled to Taiwan, there were already people living here, those who lived here for generations prior to the end of WWII. The notion that "both Mainland and Taiwan belong to one China, just temporarily divided", is what both the KMT and the CCP would like you to think, but in reality, Taiwan is Taiwan, China is China. We Taiwanese don't want to be the "real" China, we just want to be Taiwan. Let China be China. We hope China can be a democratic country with rule of law, but even than, we would still only be friendly neighbors, not part of the same country.
" We Taiwanese" Are you even a real indigenous person? No hate intended but the majority of Taiwan's people are mostly Han Chinese even in the government are mostly Han Chinese. There is a reason why they are using Chinese characters for writing, speaking a Chinese dialect, even their own flag came from China since 1917 CE, it's true name is called the ROC which stands for the Republic of China, and etc. Again I am not trying to hate it's just simple facts the people living on the island of Taiwan are mostly Han Chinese.
@@dshhung Not really? And? Here is the problem! The majority of the people living in the island of Taiwan are mostly Han Chinese. None of the real indigenous people are in charge and has no say in the government in the island of Taiwan. Even the former leader and current one now are both Han Chinese not an indigenous person. Even for daily life there are mostly using Chinese characters for writing, speaking a Chinese dialect, and still share many culture and traditions from China.
Of those 10,000 communists that survived the long march North, one of them was Xi Jingping's father, Xi Zhongxun. His father eventually fell out of good graces with Mao, but Xi Jingping was calculated and slowly built his political framework back and became premier. Objectively speaking, his rise is very noteworthy.
he was selected because he was hardworking in his appointments to poor provinces, and that he wasn't apart of any faction so he was considered neutral by all factions in the party. His a pawn that became the king.
Han Chinese still dominate and call the shots and orders overall in both of those countries as well as Singapore, Hong Kong, Macau, And many parts of South East Asians there is a sense of Han Chinese privilege even over Non Han East Asiatic neibors and near buyers yeah.
7:19 it looks like there was a giant river or lava flow near the ancient chinese capital of xian on this map and it looks like maybe luoyang may have been a coastal city at one point by the way this map appears?
2:33 so if there was still that older government in yellow that wasn't beaten quite yet by the kmt bc it split in 1928, 2 factions of the kmt, and then the ccp which cut ties with both, that means 4 major players, and many warlords still...its a miracle china ever became a united country again, especially since it seems at that time the ccp and left kmt and right kmt were basically warlord factions themselves
China is a country with long history and it has already split for like, 20 times or more, and it always becomes a united country again. "An empire, long divided, must unite. Long united, must divide."
Taiwan is the geographical name of the island peninsula, the real name is the Republic of China, Taibei is only the provisional capital, the real capital is located in Nanjing in mainland China
9:05 was the game-changer for the CCP, they positioned themselves right beside the USSR/Russia so they can get Communist war supplies to continue their next Act. Brilliant plan! I wonder if that was the plan the whole time and why they did the Long March? ;)
The Long March was because the Nationalist Government attacked the CCP many times. They were almost wiped out and then escaped. Escape is called the Long March to evade pursuit.
The Long March went to Yan'an because that was the base of another Communist force, and they wanted to concentrate all their forces against the Kuomintang.
The main reason behind Maos large support in rural areas mainly central China was oppressive policies of Quomintang against farmers and faliure of protection against japanese in WW2.so then He gain more support after 1943 and became unstoppable Socialist state in history more successful one party state than USSR.
Not only that Mao and his Communist party also launched a Smear campaign against the Nationalist KMT. Like Japan and their war crimes against China and the big one Nanjing Massacre of 1937. Thanks to Japan and the Nanjing Massacre of 1937 the people and lots of the military armed forces joined the Communist party. Since they were also true too it damage the reputation of the Nationalist KMT for good in China.
We have been a unified country for two thousand years. There is absolutely no second China allowed in this world. Taiwan is only a part of China. This is the subconscious mind of us Chinese people.
I am sincerely interested in Chinese history and am trying to learn to read and speak Mandarin so I can visit. Can you recommend some Chinese history channels by Chinese presenters? I would need English subtitles because I am not at all proficient in Mandarin. Thank you.
Jesuit priests wrote in their diary the horror they saw during travelling in China occupied by Kuomintang. While the central gov flag could be seen in some area, all provinces raised their own state flags and local warlords often expanded their territory and commit civil war against each other using weapon they bought from the west. Local troops patrolling street, looking for young girls where they kidnapped and sometimes raped in the corner of alley. Scenery of corpses on street had become so common and nobody cared anymore. People were disaspointed with their government and they actually love the idea of Mao for wiping out capitalist warlords and restart China from the beginning. Western propaganda always picture the Communist took China by force, but throughout Chinese history, your nation won't last a day if the people don't support your gov.
Taiwanese doesn't think they are China now The only reason its contitution still says so It's because if Taiwanese legislaters were to change the constitution to fit their current territorries and country's name into Taiwan It would be seen as "provocation" by CCP and China So everything just been left the way it is Hense, weirdly, by taiwanese contitusion, Mongolia still a part of Repulic of China(Taiwan)
From various surveys, they do not think they are Chinese ONLY within the CCP context. If the concept of China is separated from the CCP context, they are quite happy to maintain the status quo. Nothing weird about Mongolia. Why should the ROC give up its claim? Would that not be surrendering to the Reds? 😁😁
@@fortpark-wd9sxThat is not true. Most people want to keep the status quo for purely practical reasons. Polls consistently show that most people see themselves as primarily Taiwanese not Chinese. As for the bit about Mongolia, Taiwan has acknowledged Mongolia's independence since 2002 and that has nothing to do with "the Reds" as Mongolia is not controlled by the PRC.
@@firebat1989work Not true in what? That the Taiwanese have no objection to be identified as Chinese so long it does not mean being part of CCP Land? As you put it, practical reasons. Mongolia- Tw relatins are that of an economic nature, not related to political status of China. Mongolia seceded due to a Soviet- backed regime under Choibalsan, the Stalin of Mongolia. Naturally, post-1949 ROC would not recognize Mongolia.
What can the ROC? Drop the name and constitution of the Republic of China? They can't. They are the losers in this war. Imagine Taiwan is PRC and Mainland is ROC. Would ROC let PRC become a separate country.
Both Mao Zedong and Chiang Kai Shek were born while the Qing dynasty ruled China. The Qing dynasty territory included Tibet, Mongolia, Xinjiang and Taiwan. The PRC and ROC territorial claims mirror each other and is based on the Qing dynasty territory
1 country 2 different factions. ROC claims all of mainland China, and PRC claims Taiwan. Thats why it is called a Civil War. Yet now Taiwan and mainland China are pretty much separate Nations with same language, culture etc. Just a difference in governance. Hong Kong would easily fit into the Taiwan way of doinv things, not CCP way. The trading between mainland and Taiwan would be huge despite political differences.
some clarifications: China is a country. It has an island called Taiwan. The rest is commonly referred to as mainland China (this includes other islands and territories). The reason for the distinction is because the two parts are effectively controlled by two governments: the mainland government and the Taiwan government. The official name of China is People's Republic of China (formerly the Republic of China). That's the only official name for China. It's recognized by the UN. It's recognized by all major powers (G7, for example). It's recognized by majority of the countries in the world. see more below. Both governments recognize that there is only one China, and Taiwan is part of it (check the constitutions), even though there are some difference in territories (I believe Taiwan government does not recognize Mongolia - not sure here). Both government claims to govern China (check the constitutions). Seeing the slim chance of regaining control of (whole) China, some people in Taiwan started a two China or one Taiwan one China movement. But there is zero legal ground to support that position.
hey guys, I just want to put an end to whether Taiwanese people are Chinese or not. I mean you can have opinions, but pls don't spread hate towards one another. On an ethnic and cultural point of view, Taiwanese are Chinese. They speak the same language, and they are the same race, which is Han Chinese. On the other hand, because of a political and national view, some Taiwanese consider themselves not Chinese is pretty understandable. Taiwan has its own government, policies, and justice system that are different from China. The cultural and historical background also comes into consideration, because not all people who lives in Taiwan are Han Chinese. We also need to consider the indigenous people, colonization from other countries, and the thought changes through multiple generations.
Why did US president Truman decide not to interfere in China politics and let communist China be so powerful that no longer make nationalist Taiwan comeback a reality
The PLA did try twice in 1954 and 1958 to invade Taiwan but both ended in disaster. Maybe third time's the charm? In any case, back in 1971, many countries were happy to have 2 Chinas, 1 communist and the other nationalist, but Chiang refused. Too late now.
So basically China entered a warlord period yet again in the 1920s? I’ve always wondered how Japan could have gained so much territory in China and southeast east Asia when it’s a tiny weak country and China is huge and powerful, makes more sense if China had imperials nationalists warlords communists fighting each other and the nationalists apparently couldn’t hold their own faction together much less the country
Before all that in 1920 during that time? China wasn't even ruling China at that time. The fake Chinese dynasty known as the Qing wasn't even ruled the real Chinese people it was under Manchu rule from Manchuria. Under Manchu/Manchuira's policies they banned and neglected science, technology, and halted all advancements in guns/firearms and gunpowder weapons. Because of this China ended falling behind on everything and was heavily weaken. Even after winning their independence in the 1911 Revolution against Manchu rule. The polices of Manchuria still badly damaged China in many fields not just in science and technology through out most of the 1900s.
The thumbnail asks why China became communist. I didn't see that answered here. You probably should have mentioned the Russian/USSR influences from the very beginning.
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thank you for the research. However you got the title wrong. Both the PRC and ROC agree that Taiwan is part of China (ROC's capital is still Nanjing). They just don't agree on who is in charge of China. De facto this has led to the PRC controlling a larger part of the realm which both sides consider one and unified.
I cant believe that you 'wights' can be this desperate to keep Taiwan to stay at your order.
The success of chinese government really truly amazing.
Please make a video about Kingdom of Romania under Fascism.
To understanding the history of China after the Qing Dynasty is very difficult, especially when it is filled with misinformation spread by Communist China.
In 1971 the UN decided that the permanent seat on the security council would be taken from the KMT and given to the CCP
the ROC→the PRC
UN is United Nations not United Parties
@@tiro_taiwan that was a HUGE mistake I believe that the real China is the ROC.
and KMT is not in power in Taiwan either, this proves nothing
Wrong, from ROC to PRC.
@@watchman835 doesn't matter huge mistake either way.
The reason why the Kuomintang lost in the mainland because Chiang Kai Shek still hasn't remove the "Army Corruption" and "Incompetent Officers" modifiers. If only he didn't spend all of the army experiences to the mass assault doctrine
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Edit : me when dumbasses don't understand a joke and start being political over a game refrence : 🤦
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Nah, according to the cold war mod all he had to do was hold Shanghai long enough for the event that removes the negative modifiers to pop up
When Chiang Kai-shek retreated to Taiwan in 1949, his army had been fighting the Communist army for 20 years. It was difficult to say that it was a problem with the army. At least the Americans in North Korea in 1950 would definitely disagree. The first batch of weapons assistance from the Soviet Union to the Chinese army was in May 1951, so there is no reason why the CCP army is strong because of Soviet weapons.
@@AI-ih5or r/wooosh
China’s resistance to Japan is one of the great untold stories of World War II. Though China was the first Allied power to fight the Axis, it has received far less credit for its role in the Pacific theater than the United States, Britain or even the Soviet Union, which only joined the war in Asia in August 1945. The Chinese contribution was pushed aside soon after the conflict, as an inconvenient story in the neat ideological narrative of the Cold War.
Though far weaker and poorer than the mighty United States or the British Empire, China played a major role in the war. Some 40,000 Chinese soldiers fought in Burma alongside American and British troops in 1944, helping to secure the Stilwell Road linking Lashio to Assam in India. In China itself, they held down some 800,000 Japanese soldiers.
The costs were great. At least 14 million Chinese were killed and some 80 million became refugees over the course of the war.
Quick summery
Japan invaded China in 1937 and brought World War II to the Far East and the pacific theaters. The US waited until 1941 to official send aids to help China after the bombing of the Pearl Harbor that took place in the same year and directly sent troops to China in 1945, a total 9 years after the invasion started.
China had been fighting the war longer than any other country, as well as the difference in the nature of the war for the Chinese from them: for the Chinese, it was a war to liberate their homeland from invading forces who had a larger number of modern weaponries and well-trained troops. The contribution of the Chinese to the pacific theater was immense, and was disproportionate to the recognition it gained at the end of the war.
--Wendi Qiu
感謝你，中國戰場拖住了日本百萬陸軍，讓蘇聯免於被德國跟日本兩面夾擊的狀況，間接讓蘇聯擊敗納粹德國，中國的貢獻是巨大的。
日本侵略东北三省的时间更早，那个时期，一些英勇的东北人民和共产党 领导的一些组织就开始和日本进行战斗。所以，中国人民实际上进行了十二年抗日战争。
现在不一样了，我们必须拿回我们的一切，而且应该报复日本
So it means japan can claim china, because their ancestors had set foot in china
@@kittyblogger8703 只要踏上一块地方，就可以声称拥有某一地方。这是你的逻辑。
那么意味着，如果你家里来了一个匪徒，甚至是来了一位客人，因为他踏入你的家，所以，他可以声称拥有你的家。
你的智商真的很感人。
The ROC government relocated to Taiwan in 1949 while fighting a civil war with the Chinese Communist Party. Since then, the ROC has continued to exercise effective jurisdiction over the main island of Taiwan and a number of outlying islands, leaving Taiwan and China each under the rule of a different government.
But also....every party in Taiwan is a separatist party...can't really separate from the Mainland if they're already independent
yeah so technically there are two chinas. there is the PRC in the mainland and the ROC on the island of taiwan (that's also the island name), just like how there are 2 congos, 2 koreas. I like to think of it this way.
@@blackdesertsage9836 i mean ye but those 3 are different examples. 1. both congos liberated themselves by france and belgium, both majority french speaking countries
@@blackdesertsage9836 the koreas both basically diverged from each other. soviets and americans occupied land to the 39th parrelel and installed puppets to control their occupation when they left
@@blackdesertsage9836 the roc "taiwan" isnt a split of the prc. its the opposite. the roc was the legitimate government of the north but the prc is the rebellion which driven them out
The KMT did not establish the Republic of China in Taiwan in 1949, it was already established in 1911!
Mereka kalah dengan Partai Komunis China jadi apa bedanya dengan mendirikan pemerintahan sendiri di Pulau Taiwan karena kalah perang.
@@mp3random536有区别，联合国不承认台湾政权，和南北朝鲜不同
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The difference is that the ROC already existed. It's just that after the PRC took the mainland, Taiwan is basically all the territory they have left.
@@mp3random536 Fool
And when the Republic of China was founded by Chinese ppl, Taiwanese were under Japanese colony😂
The Republic of China was established in 1911, Mainland China, not Taiwan! Even the current constitution of ROC, which is still in force in Taiwan, was adopted in 1947, in Nanjing, Mainland China.
Yes, and according to the constitution of ROC, mainland is still included in their territory.
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Bit of an audio glitch at 5:51
It’s just him stuttering I think
@@jois9794 no, it's a double up of the same audio file
@@caynebyron your a double up of yourself, delete one and shutup
Probably didn't stitched the vocal audio track correctly for a transition.
@@caynebyron heard him say "Finally" a second time in a lower tone than the first, probably a stutter.
The Chinese civil war has not ended until today! When Taiwan's military was stronger than the mainland, Taiwan's fighter jets often flew to the mainland for reconnaissance and even bombing! At that time, the West remained silent! Now that the mainland's military is stronger than Taiwan, the mainland's fighter jets are only active around Taiwan Island, and the West is shouting! I hope Western netizens who support Taiwan's independence can become the heads of your states and recognize Taiwan!
兄弟，他们不敢的，他们只喜欢嘴上叫唤
When you tell the truth, they stop replying to you.
中国军队仍然叫解放军而不是国防军，这就说明国家还没有统一，只是因为台湾有西方人支持加上在是一个孤岛，中国的海军历史上长时间都比较羸弱，强行登陆伤亡会很大，所以一直没有武统，这也是为什么中国大力发展海军的主要原因，现在中国早已具备武统实力，只是不想撕破脸也不想因为台湾打乱中国崛起进程而已
it's true
Taiwan is already an independent sovereignty, so there is no need to declare independence again.
Thanks very much for highlighting an obvious historical fact that has been pushed aside. Tibet never officially seceded from China. The KMT gov maintained an overseer office in Lhasa until around 1948. 😊😊
yeah exactly, the CCP basically just tightened up the control over these western regions that were part of the Qing and KMT gov(with less control). Obviously, not everyone were happy with the move, hence we had people saying stuff like free tibet, xinjiang.
The ROC was founded in 1911 after the revolution that over thrown the Qing dynasty, not after KMT lost the civil war
Essentially, it’s a North/South Korea situation but where if North Korea was to control the entire peninsula and South Korea only controlled Jeju island.
不一样 韩国宣布建立国家成独立国家朝鲜才打韩国 只是没有打赢，被逼成立韩国，台湾国民党是中国的前政府败退到台湾 台湾是中国的一个省 他到台湾并没有宣称台湾从大陆分裂出去成立国家 只是前政府到现在还在管控而已。
@Hhenry-sk7rn yes, that makes their current situation totally different from Korea. Like night & day 🙄
How can you be a successor of something that still exists? What does that even mean?
@Hhenry-sk7rn Everything you wrote here is irrelevant to your argument. The “coexistence” of the ROC & the “Qing Dynasty” isn’t so much a “coexistence” as it is the former last Qing emperor being the 1st emperor of Manchukuo when Japan carved out Manchukuo out of former ROC territory of the historical lands of Manchuria.
A better example for your argument would be when the Qing conquered the Ming, and the Ming dynasty fled to Formosa/Taiwan. But even then, the Qing eventually conquered the remnants of the Ming in Formosa/Taiwan, which has yet to happen with the ROC in Taiwan.
So your argument that the PRC is the “successor” to the ROC is at the very least premature.
@@clementkong8133 United Nations General Assembly Resolution 2758,passed on 25 October 1971, recognized the People's Republic of China as "the only legitimate representative of China to the United Nations" and removed "the representatives of Chiang Kai-shek" (referring to the Republic of China, whose central government had relocated to Taiwan from the mainland) from the United Nations.
@@蔡_徐_坤 so I take it that United Nations is everything? What about Palestine? United Nations really wants to recognize Palestine and NOT Israel.
The history of warlord infighting before Japan invaded was extremely complex
Taiwan is part of China. The question is how you define "China." "China" can mean either the PRC regime or a much broader geographical, historical, and civilizational concept of the Chinese Nation. 180 UN member countries in the world currently acknowledge the PRC as the sole sovereign regime over all of China including Taiwan. So legally speaking, Taiwan is a de jure part of China. De facto, the PRC has no control over Taiwan's internal administration, so it is not a de facto part of the PRC.
So in short, Taiwan is part of China. Taiwan is PRC's de jure territory, acknowledged by most states and all major states in the world. Taiwan is de facto not under PRC governance. Very simple actually. A lot of people got confused, because they do not know why "China" is different from "PRC."
The "One China Policy" is deliberately vague in this way
The people of Taiwan and Tibet disagrees.
@@Gbrowxso what? They are the losing side. If Taiwan aka ROC holds half or most of the mainland you think they will drop the claim as China? I don't think so.
@@Gbrowx印第安人民和被美国强行占领整个西部地区的墨西哥人民也不同意
@@GbrowxTaiwan Province and people in Xizang are so represented by you?😂Come on, you can't represent anyone, you can only represent yourself.
The post-war international arrangement of the Second World War was the return of the island of Taiwan from Japanese colonization to China. This was written in the Potsdam Proclamation and the Cairo Declaration. Are those who believe that Taiwan is not part of China going to deny and overturn the outcome of the Second World War?
Say we all agree on the Potsdam Proclamation and the Cairo Declaration, TW was returned to the ROC not the PRC. The PRC was established in 1949 and never had it ever ruled Taiwan, Penghu, Kinmen and Matzu islands. After the civil war, the nationalist government fled to TW and still exsits for 70+ years.
So technically speaking, both parties across the strait claim to be the sole ligitimate China. Although here in Taiwan less and less people hold on to this kind of claim. I myself see us as Taiwanese reather than Chinese.
But if I must admit that Taiwan belongs to China, it has to be the ROC not the PRC.
@@格維張 Taiwanese and anti-communist and anti-Chinese elements are just good at sophistry. Whether it is PRC or ROC, it is the same China, they are the legitimate government representatives of China at different times. the ROC enjoys the right to take over Taiwan on behalf of China because it was China's government during WWII. But with the defeat of ROC in the civil war, it lost its rule over mainland China, and it even lost its representative seat in the United Nations and diplomatic relations and international recognition from most countries in the world. The ROC no longer exists in international law. the ROC can no longer represent China, it is just a remnant of the former Chinese government on the Chinese island of Taiwan. Since Taiwan belongs to China and the PRC is the only legitimate representative of China, the PRC has sovereignty over Taiwan and the ROC is just a bunch of rebel cutthroat forces. Whoever represents China owns the sovereignty of Taiwan. According to your sophomoric logic, Taiwan was taken by Japan from the Manchu Empire and should be returned to the Manchu Empire after defeat, why should it be returned to ROC? Because the Manchu Empire no longer exists and no longer represents China. As a matter of fact, the United Nations and countries around the world handle the Taiwan issue in the same way. No matter how much the anti-China and anti-communist elements support Taiwan's independence against China, but their officials will not establish diplomatic relations with the Taiwan authorities nor recognize Taiwan's independence. Because this is a Pandora's box. Territorial sovereignty will not be changed by a change of regime, or else the ethnic separatist forces and opposition in any country will use it to split the country and create chaos, and sovereignty and internationally recognized integrity will all be in vain.
If you wish to make a claim on the blood of the Taiwanese and the culture the people in Taiwam have, know that Japan ruled over Taiwan for a long time, and the Taiwanese would much rather become part of Japan again. Than China.
@@格維張 在了解下《联合国2758决议》
@@格維張 这明显就是内战未结束啊，中华人民共和国建立之后一年多才解放西藏，还是属于内战，大陆建国之后两岸之间的战争自动转为国与国的侵略战争，这么理解是错误的
To summarize this ,an unfinished civil war
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As well as you. And everyone who watches . So me too
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What means?
@@paoloschinocca1242 it probably means the CCP is going to try to harvest your organs if they can
Awww man 😢
as a chinese,thank u for ur work,what u have told is 90% same as i learned from school in mainland,now more and more people know the fact,that is:china civil war is not ended,and the state is not stable as one side become stronger and stronger,the only reason china is not unified to one entire country is :United States....the americans is the only one who stop china unification,and we chinese are working hard to change this situation in our decades,and try hard to give our decendants a unified china ....
Nice try. Taiwan is still part of China. It is in Taiwan's constitution that it is part of China.
Minus infinite social credit
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You just perfectly explained why Taiwan is part of China lol
But not PRC😉
@@SamHsia_08 Who cares.
@@SpyFromMarsZeus actually Taiwan isn’t belong to China and Japan. Taiwan isn’t belong to anyone now, that’s the fact.😉
@@SamHsia_08 both are China ，
@@SpyFromMarsZeus CCP apparently does 🤣🤣🤣
I think people seem to be very confused about the cultural identity of Taiwan. Let's be honest? The majority of the people living in the island of Taiwan are mostly Han Chinese. There is a reason why they are using Chinese characters for writing, speaking a Chinese dialect, even their own flag came from China since 1917 CE, it is also called the ROC which stands for the Republic of China, and etc. Being an independent nation is one thing but calming to be different people/culture from China is just dead wrong. No hate it's just simple facts the people living on the island of are still mostly Han Chinese.
Yes but what does that have to do with whether Taiwan should be an independent country or not? Germany and Austria both are mostly ethnic Germans and yet are two countries. Canada and the US both use English and yet are two countries.
@@TheECSH It has everything to do with it. The people won't too be unified again under 1 China. It's only the 2 governments and the ones loyal to each party that are preventing it. Since both governments still see themselves as mostly enemies. It's like India and what is now called Pakistan including Bangladesh and Kashmir. If it wasn't Religion India would be much more bigger.
If you're not very familiar with Taiwan? You should know it still calls itself the ROC which stands for the Republic of China. Again? The people want reunification it's a matter of the 2 different government ideology preventing it.
@@TheECSH Your not very bright or smart! In Austria's case? After WW 2 ended the Allies wanted to make sure Germany doesn't become powerful again. So it was the Allies who wanted Austria not to be part of Germany.
Canada and USA are the same. The main difference is USA Rebelled against it's Colonial master Canada didn't and stayed with it.
Germany and Austria are the same people. But? They both lack the cultural identity. Same with USA and Canada they are the same people. But? They both lack the cultural identity and one only rebilled against their colonial master.
台灣人與中國人也同樣缺乏文化認同，國民黨獨裁被台灣人推翻後，台灣人已經習慣了民主自由和普世價值，而中國人還在推崇馬列共產文化，還在崇拜獨裁的偉大領袖。我覺得新加坡都比台灣更像中國一些，可以應該先考慮統一新加坡
@@Clee-os6pv Pakistan india nuclear war station and China helped pakistan like in northkorea against southkorea.
Well the official name is still Republic of China, ROC, so there are two Chinas now
Taiwan is the real China.
That’s why we got One-China-Policy, which means the “Taiwan China” is not China. So Taiwan is not a part of China, Taiwan is a unrecognized China.
there is NO now. it has been like that ever since
@@Ju-pc3rx lol. wth r u smoking? from the word itself "one China". dude, stop desperately trying to justify things. it'll only make u miserable
@@Ju-pc3rx There is no country named Taiwan on this earth. The government elected by the Taiwanese is the Republic of China, which was found in the year 1912 and had ruled the whole China until 1949, as the People's Republic of China was found.
The current constitution of the Republic of China on the island Taiwan was legislated in 1947, as the Republic of China ruled the whole China yet, which still claims the whole China as its territory today, the all Chinese as its citizen.
english.president.gov.tw/page/93
That is the reason why there is the "One-China" police all over world. That means only one government can be the only one legal government of China, either the Republic of China on the island Taiwan or the People's Republic of China in the continent China.
The Taiwan issue is the domestic issue of China, like the Hawaii of the USA, Catalonia of Spain and Bavaria of Germany.
Hence Taiwan is part of China, the Taiwanese are Chinese, until a referendum will be hold to make a new nation with its own constitution like "the United States of Taiwan" or "the united kingdom of great Taiwan".
If these weren't the facts and truth, please pointe it out with evidence.
People seem to forget that the official name of Taiwan is the Republic of China and the ROC claims not just the mainland but also Outer Mongolia (and Tibet) as part of its regions.
So this situation with Taiwan and China is not like Ukraine vs Russia, as Taiwan has a majority ethnic Han Chinese population but also claims the mainland too.
It should also be noted there is a growing sentiment of reunification that often isn’t covered by at least American or western news as the people of Taiwan. With China becoming more powerful it simply makes economic sense to be on good terms with the mainland, not to mention the historical and cultural roots Taiwan has with China. There is also of course a sentiment that Taiwan does not want to turn into some kind of vassal state/lapdog of America.
All of this is complex but I unfortunately think that most people who only grew up with a western view on this situation seem to not fully grasp it. Remember, China is not just a nation, it is more so a civilization.
There is no growing sentiment of the Taiwanese wanting to reunify with China and its communist government.
@@waisinglee1509 ROC doesn't want to unite with Communist government in mainland China. But ROC want to reoccupy mainland China.
Taiwan (ROC) claim Mongolia, Tuvan in Russia, parts of Kazakhstan, parts of Nepal, parts of Myanmar, etc which China (PRC) stopped claiming. PRC solved their border disputes with 10 out of 17 which they had disputes (Russia, Mongolia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Afghanistan, Nepal, Myanmar, Laos, Pakistan and North Korea). Only 7 countries still have border disputes with China (India, Taiwan, Vietnam, Philippines, Malaysia, Bhutan and Japan). But Taiwan (ROC) still claim all the land.
So, PRC is better than ROC.
You know what, the civil war is still not ended.
This is very informative in deed
胡说八道这个视频。😅
Propaganda machine that fit your taste😂
My grandparrents from Nanjing get PTSD from just looking at your profile picture
@@junmiamorecadenenzafu3694 I will plan next visit to Nanchang later hehe
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So basicly the nationalists took over while the communists were weak. Circled them but failed to notice that they fled.
Then they started their capture plan again just to be interrupted by Japan. By being stubborn in taking action against the communists instead of the external threat they lost internal support (again). After Japan lost the Soviet Union supported the Chinese communists and with the support of the main population too, the nationalists lost and fled to Taiwan.
And somehow the communists failed to take Taiwan to this day (at first without the protection of the US and now because of it). Man, Chinese history is really something else...
I am Chinese, and I can provide you with some history as to why the Communist Party did not take over Taiwan. In October 1949, the Communist army attacked Kinmen Island, which was only 5 kilometers away from the mainland. As a result, more than 9,000 troops were lost, and only 180 square kilometers of it was not captured. In January 1950, the Truman administration declared not to interfere in the Chinese Civil War. At the same time, Mao Zedong visited the Soviet Union, seeking to purchase warships from the Soviet Union and establish a navy. In June 1950, the Korean War broke out. The United States sent troops to North Korea and stationed the Seventh Fleet in Taiwan until its withdrawal in 1979. In September 1950, about 500,000 troops attacking Taiwan began to temporarily suspend military operations, and the Chinese army began to send troops to North Korea. In our eyes, the United States is the only obstacle to the territorial division of China, and we always remember this. So whenever Americans speak on the Taiwan issue, please understand if the Chinese express anger.
Great video keep it up you're doing amazing things 😁👍
I actually didnt know there were still comment wars about this thing 😅😂
原因很簡單，中共有網路長城，所以中國人學習到的歷史是中共編定的，他們得到的所有資訊都是共產黨傳遞的沒有其他來源，所以中國人的認知會跟台灣不一樣，而台灣是民主國家能使用google wiki 之類的網路，得到的歷史會相對於共產黨的資訊完整，也就演變成兩方為了歷史爭論
@5:51 why didn't you edit this out?
Yea I noticed that too, his thumbnail is also misspelled
11:42 Truman changed his mind and started to protect Taiwan island after the break of Korean war. That's why PRC can't conquer Taiwan island till now.
你想多了，中国大陆已经具备武统台湾的实力，只是不想因为台湾打断中国和平崛起的进程而已，等到中国大幅度超越美国的时候，中国大陆会解决台湾问题的
Im glad you are talking about recent events.
You educated me about China history in English. I learnt so much more. I'm ashamed as a Chinese 😅
Then u need an unbiased teacher. Don't be brainwashed by him. Check the book and historical papers. He artificially lied that ROC established in1949 to make you think Taiwan had nothing to do with China in history.
@@sdssdsaia9041 don't worry, I'm of Chinese ethnicity but not from china. I'll assess the facts objectively to make judgement without biasness (:
PLEASE make a video about migration from Mexico to USA and why it started
Thank you for this. Such a clear and simple explanation 👍🏼
Just know that most Taiwanese people commonly hate Chaing because not only did he not reflect on his defeat and fix his issues, but he basically enforced the same governing style in Taiwan as the one that failed him in China. And there's also the fact that the KMT soldiers and government in general look down on the local Taiwanese and see them as "Japanese colonial slaves". They have fewer opportunities for high-end jobs like lecturing, doctoring, and governing. And Chaing subsequently mass murdered a ton of people in the name of anti-espionage during the White Terror period. (Go watch gameplay of Detention to know more)
When Taiwan was still under authoritarian KMT rule, bronze statues of Chaing were set up everywhere around the country, but nowadays people see them as an eyesore, so much so that there is one park in Taipei that is packed full of Chaing statues because people don't want them and this is the only place that is willing to adopt the statues.
大多數人討厭蔡英文? 同時民進黨繼續連任成功
@@azh3370 40%不叫大多数，多读读书
@@天可汗-o5m 肯定是要跟中共的100%一樣才叫多數
要100%
This is why it should be ambiguous and not outright independent. Because whatever anyone says, both sides claim to be China. Just one is the republic and the other the people’s republic.
Thank you
Ur the goat❤❤❤ i love ur vids❤
China built houses in Taiwan in 1171, reclaimed farmland, garrison taxes, established the official administration in 1335, set up the Taiwan government in 1683, under the jurisdiction of Fujian Province, almost all of the people in Taiwan Province migrated from Fujian province, the two places speak the same accent dialect, Taiwan Province is 98 percent Han
Taiwan never said they weren’t Chinese. They are china is what they say
Obligatory comment addressing the video title, that Taiwan technically is part of China through the Republic of China, and no country in the world recognizes Taiwan as separate from China.
I wonder why Dr Sun Yat-sen isn't mentioned when you talk about 1912? Why is there nothing about the Nanking massacre in 1937? Why is there nothing about 1958 Mao/Eisenhower invasion of Taiwan?
Thanks
12:40 The flag of PRC was censored like the swastika flag, so it was replaced with the soviet one instead.
That's not actually the Soviet flag but is the Chinese Communist Party flag. There is a gold star above the hammer and sickle on the Soviet flag that is missing from the CCP flag.
well that was an anti climatic ending to the video, lol
In conclusion, Taiwan island is a mix of Chinese, Japanese, and Austronesian.
And now ruled by ROC government.
Who cares about who is living on that island? China just doesn't allow anyone to separate their country; if anyone does, they will take it back by force, which is totally understandable. Let's say California is a mix of American, Chinese, French, Spanish, and god knows what other races. And now ruled by the US government, what are you trying to say here?
Japanese were sent back to Japan after WW2, now the island has 98% Chinese and 2% Austronesian.
Taiwan not being a part of China would boil down to political and social factors.
Chiang Kai-shek's Nanjing regime declared that it had unified China. In fact, we all know that the local warlords only obeyed superficially. During his reign, he was committed to weakening local military power and maintaining central military power. He ordered the local army to encircle and suppress the weak CCP. In my opinion, it was also an excuse and means to consume the power of the warlords and win the support of the capital behind them. So I think it’s totally fine for the CCP to declare nominal reunification now.
Yeah my Taiwanese grandparents and aunts care a lot about the politics about Taiwan and its history.
Carifonia is not part of USA!
Actually the us government could have kept the nationalist in the fight if it gave them enough economic aid. But the Truman administration was short sighted and didn’t see the impact a regime change in china would have made on the world stage.
I blame Stillwell.
Didn't the US also help the CCP during the war? Giving them, along with the Soviet Union, intelligence training, money, and weapons?
Because the Truman government was infuriated by communist agents
并不是，因为中国共产党太强了。
国民党当时在大陆有三百万左右军队，经过了三个战役，两百万人就失败了，这是在半年内发生的。
中国消灭了近两百万人以后，迅速打到了南京国民党首都附近，国民党靠着长江防御，当时英国有一艘军舰在这里，这艘军舰开到长江中间警告共产党如果渡河就是与英国为敌，中国直接把这艘军舰炸沉了。
美国和苏联先后警告共产党不要渡河，共产党没有听，毛泽东说，解放战争不能慢，因为一旦拖延各个国家就会想办法阻挠。
无论是共产党还是国民党都有几百万军队，想要援助也不是那么简单。甚至几百万军队，美国也不敢在陆地上战斗
所以国民党才被迅速打到了台湾。
无论是苏联还是美国英国都阻扰共产党统一中国，可惜没有成功。
后来国民党跑到台湾，美国帮忙保护，中国本来想要收复台湾的，结果朝鲜战争爆发，中国只能去保护朝鲜，朝鲜战争美国失败以后，至少美国想要统一朝鲜半岛的计划失败以后，美国发现共产党威胁出乎意料的大，于是派航母巡逻台湾海峡。
这样，中国才没有收复台湾。
为了不让中国统一，美国下了大力气的
at that time chang kai shen and those nationalists are far more corrupt and chang is a true dictator according to Stilwell. on the other hand the relationship between ccp and Soviet is not that good because Soviet like to control its allies which ccp refue. and ccp is at least pretending they welcome democracy and negotiations rather the chang being a true dictator.
ccp even come to us and ask for aid.
That is definitely one awful typo on the thumbnail 😒
我发现之前讨论台湾和中国的问题时候，西方的评论总是一边倒的支持台湾，但是每当回到历史上去讨论台湾问题出现的根源时候，很多西方人基于事实又立刻理智起来，说句实话，假如台湾问题发生在印度，印度可能早就吞并台湾并且得到西方国家的支持
@user-oq1oc4qx4p按照你这个理论，美国人自己都没有实控美国
Despite all the times the CCP has attempted to invade Taiwan. What not many people talk about was how the Republic of China also made several attempts to invade and retake their former territories from their base in Taiwan. However, in 1965, the ROC and PLA had two naval engagements. Despite boasting a superior navy, the ROC navy couldn't overcome the PLA navy. And since any large scale invasion requires control of the sea, there was just no feasible way for the Nationalists to mount a successful invasion. Also, even during the troubled times of the Great Leap Forward and Cultural Revolution. There wasn't really any popular support for Chiang Kai Shek or the Nationalist cause. And since the remnants of Chiang's forces had already been weakened by years of fighting the Japanese during WWII. There was really no realistic way for him to reunite China under the ROC. They lacked military power, didn't have the hearts and minds of the mainland populace, and even the US wasn't interested in backing their plans for conquest.
Chiang is a stooge and sleeping partner of the US!!!
A small naval skirmish was an attempt to reconquer mainland China? Taiwan was planning to retake all of mainland China with 1 ship?
In theory, Taiwan still maintains its territorial claims to China (including the South China Sea, Tibet, and Xinjiang)
@@zl4384also Mongolia. Not inner Mongolia, but tge entire Mongolia itself
@@zl4384 And Mongolia which they call Outer Mongolia
Interesting
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Republic of China (Taiwan) 🇹🇼
You are right!
While we in Taiwan appreciate your explanation and support, this narrative isn't quite accurate. Before the KMT lost China and fled to Taiwan, there were already people living here, those who lived here for generations prior to the end of WWII. The notion that "both Mainland and Taiwan belong to one China, just temporarily divided", is what both the KMT and the CCP would like you to think, but in reality, Taiwan is Taiwan, China is China. We Taiwanese don't want to be the "real" China, we just want to be Taiwan. Let China be China. We hope China can be a democratic country with rule of law, but even than, we would still only be friendly neighbors, not part of the same country.
Yes, darn right! This video is historically inaccurate and misleading…!!!
" We Taiwanese"
Are you even a real indigenous person? No hate intended but the majority of Taiwan's people are mostly Han Chinese even in the government are mostly Han Chinese.
There is a reason why they are using Chinese characters for writing, speaking a Chinese dialect, even their own flag came from China since 1917 CE, it's true name is called the ROC which stands for the Republic of China, and etc. Again I am not trying to hate it's just simple facts the people living on the island of Taiwan are mostly Han Chinese.
@@dshhung Not really? And? Here is the problem! The majority of the people living in the island of Taiwan are mostly Han Chinese. None of the real indigenous people are in charge and has no say in the government in the island of Taiwan. Even the former leader and current one now are both Han Chinese not an indigenous person. Even for daily life there are mostly using Chinese characters for writing, speaking a Chinese dialect, and still share many culture and traditions from China.
if you want Taiwan to be a country, then you need independce, but you can't be independent because we don't agree🤣
Of those 10,000 communists that survived the long march North, one of them was Xi Jingping's father, Xi Zhongxun. His father eventually fell out of good graces with Mao, but Xi Jingping was calculated and slowly built his political framework back and became premier. Objectively speaking, his rise is very noteworthy.
he was selected because he was hardworking in his appointments to poor provinces, and that he wasn't apart of any faction so he was considered neutral by all factions in the party. His a pawn that became the king.
@@lolasdm6959 That was a deliberate tactic. He purposefully played the neutral, hardworking outsider to climb the ladder.
@@saladmcjones7798 He didn't have to play what he already was. What no one realized was his ambition.
Xi’s father didn’t participate in the long March north. Because he has always been in the North.
Han Chinese still dominate and call the shots and orders overall in both of those countries as well as Singapore, Hong Kong, Macau, And many parts of South East Asians there is a sense of Han Chinese privilege even over Non Han East Asiatic neibors and near buyers yeah.
Whether or not Taiwan is a part of China depends on the will of the Taiwanese people.
The CCP's argument doesn't matter.
那为什么加泰罗西亚能不能独立不由加泰罗西亚说了算
so，why us and its puppet like jp and kr not support a independent Palestine？ double standard？
Catalunya want independent 😂 guess what happen
冲绳人民也想回归中国，你觉得冲绳岛链上的美军基地会许可吗？
@@简体霸王 chinese dream is mental sick
7:19 it looks like there was a giant river or lava flow near the ancient chinese capital of xian on this map and it looks like maybe luoyang may have been a coastal city at one point by the way this map appears?
2:33 so if there was still that older government in yellow that wasn't beaten quite yet by the kmt bc it split in 1928, 2 factions of the kmt, and then the ccp which cut ties with both, that means 4 major players, and many warlords still...its a miracle china ever became a united country again, especially since it seems at that time the ccp and left kmt and right kmt were basically warlord factions themselves
China is a country with long history and it has already split for like, 20 times or more, and it always becomes a united country again. "An empire, long divided, must unite. Long united, must divide."
Taiwan issue is actually the unfinished China civil war.
实际49年就应该结束了，美国人介入了，没有办法，但是中国人的性格就是这样，要做的事一定会去拼命，所以这场战争一定会来到
@@大阿蛋应该是50年，49年底刚打到成都
Taiwan is the geographical name of the island peninsula, the real name is the Republic of China, Taibei is only the provisional capital, the real capital is located in Nanjing in mainland China
9:05 was the game-changer for the CCP, they positioned themselves right beside the USSR/Russia so they can get Communist war supplies to continue their next Act.
Brilliant plan! I wonder if that was the plan the whole time and why they did the Long March? ;)
The Long March was because the Nationalist Government attacked the CCP many times. They were almost wiped out and then escaped. Escape is called the Long March to evade pursuit.
Later, Japan attacked the Nationalist Government and the pursuit stopped.
It was called the Long March, but it was actually an escape from the Nationalist government.
The Long March went to Yan'an because that was the base of another Communist force, and they wanted to concentrate all their forces against the Kuomintang.
It is rare to have objective videos.
I'm Chinese and if u want to know more about what China actually is like,u could send a comment to me
The main reason behind Maos large support in rural areas mainly central China was oppressive policies of Quomintang against farmers and faliure of protection against japanese in WW2.so then He gain more support after 1943 and became unstoppable Socialist state in history more successful one party state than USSR.
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Not only that Mao and his Communist party also launched a Smear campaign against the Nationalist KMT. Like Japan and their war crimes against China and the big one Nanjing Massacre of 1937. Thanks to Japan and the Nanjing Massacre of 1937 the people and lots of the military armed forces joined the Communist party. Since they were also true too it damage the reputation of the Nationalist KMT for good in China.
They forgot or didnt talk about the islamic insurgency which lasted from 1950 to 1958
Taiwan is Part of China!
Republic of China.
Not mistaken with Mainland China, People's Republic of China.
We have been a unified country for two thousand years. There is absolutely no second China allowed in this world. Taiwan is only a part of China. This is the subconscious mind of us Chinese people.
Whether the People's Republic of China or the Republic of China belongs to China, it is different to belong to the same country, the government
"Why isn't Taiwan a Part of China?" Asked Xi calmly
one thing about this vid , mao didnt seize the leadership in the year of 1934 but 1935
Good video.
看老外讲中国历史也挺好玩的🤣
I am sincerely interested in Chinese history and am trying to learn to read and speak Mandarin so I can visit. Can you recommend some Chinese history channels by Chinese presenters? I would need English subtitles because I am not at all proficient in Mandarin. Thank you.
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The history of China and Taiwan has strong politicality, only recommended you to read the English channel@@cw4608
I would rather work with person from the island then from main land ,
at 7:40, correction: not "international community" but its the western colonial powers
Jesuit priests wrote in their diary the horror they saw during travelling in China occupied by Kuomintang. While the central gov flag could be seen in some area, all provinces raised their own state flags and local warlords often expanded their territory and commit civil war against each other using weapon they bought from the west. Local troops patrolling street, looking for young girls where they kidnapped and sometimes raped in the corner of alley. Scenery of corpses on street had become so common and nobody cared anymore. People were disaspointed with their government and they actually love the idea of Mao for wiping out capitalist warlords and restart China from the beginning.
Western propaganda always picture the Communist took China by force, but throughout Chinese history, your nation won't last a day if the people don't support your gov.
Taiwanese doesn't think they are China now
The only reason its contitution still says so
It's because if Taiwanese legislaters were to change the constitution to fit their current territorries and country's name into Taiwan
It would be seen as "provocation" by CCP and China
So everything just been left the way it is
Hense, weirdly, by taiwanese contitusion, Mongolia still a part of Repulic of China(Taiwan)
From various surveys, they do not think they are Chinese ONLY within the CCP context.
If the concept of China is separated from the CCP context, they are quite happy to maintain the status quo.
Nothing weird about Mongolia. Why should the ROC give up its claim? Would that not be surrendering to the Reds? 😁😁
@@fortpark-wd9sxThat is not true. Most people want to keep the status quo for purely practical reasons. Polls consistently show that most people see themselves as primarily Taiwanese not Chinese. As for the bit about Mongolia, Taiwan has acknowledged Mongolia's independence since 2002 and that has nothing to do with "the Reds" as Mongolia is not controlled by the PRC.
@@firebat1989work Not true in what? That the Taiwanese have no objection to be identified as Chinese so long it does not mean being part of CCP Land?
As you put it, practical reasons.
Mongolia- Tw relatins are that of an economic nature, not related to political status of China.
Mongolia seceded due to a Soviet- backed regime under Choibalsan, the Stalin of Mongolia.
Naturally, post-1949 ROC would not recognize Mongolia.
What can the ROC? Drop the name and constitution of the Republic of China? They can't. They are the losers in this war. Imagine Taiwan is PRC and Mainland is ROC. Would ROC let PRC become a separate country.
Both Mao Zedong and Chiang Kai Shek were born while the Qing dynasty ruled China. The Qing dynasty territory included Tibet, Mongolia, Xinjiang and Taiwan. The PRC and ROC territorial claims mirror each other and is based on the Qing dynasty territory
Taiwan number 1
It is.
We'll see how long China's ambitions to take Taiwan lasts.
what 😂@user-mm7zi4ue7d
china never get tired invading so many time to taiwan but faild 😂😂😂😂
People‘s republic of China was independent from Republic of China in 1949 BC，so they are two different countries already
1 country 2 different factions. ROC claims all of mainland China, and PRC claims Taiwan. Thats why it is called a Civil War. Yet now Taiwan and mainland China are pretty much separate Nations with same language, culture etc. Just a difference in governance. Hong Kong would easily fit into the Taiwan way of doinv things, not CCP way. The trading between mainland and Taiwan would be huge despite political differences.
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"The nationalists were finally. The nationalists were finally." What?
some clarifications:
China is a country. It has an island called Taiwan. The rest is commonly referred to as mainland China (this includes other islands and territories). The reason for the distinction is because the two parts are effectively controlled by two governments: the mainland government and the Taiwan government.
The official name of China is People's Republic of China (formerly the Republic of China). That's the only official name for China. It's recognized by the UN. It's recognized by all major powers (G7, for example). It's recognized by majority of the countries in the world. see more below.
Both governments recognize that there is only one China, and Taiwan is part of it (check the constitutions), even though there are some difference in territories (I believe Taiwan government does not recognize Mongolia - not sure here).
Both government claims to govern China (check the constitutions). Seeing the slim chance of regaining control of (whole) China, some people in Taiwan started a two China or one Taiwan one China movement. But there is zero legal ground to support that position.
2 China’s, 1 Cup.
What happened at 5:50?
The KMT trapped Mao in a circle but Mao and his army are able to break through the circle and started the long match westwards and then north ..
hey guys, I just want to put an end to whether Taiwanese people are Chinese or not. I mean you can have opinions, but pls don't spread hate towards one another. On an ethnic and cultural point of view, Taiwanese are Chinese. They speak the same language, and they are the same race, which is Han Chinese. On the other hand, because of a political and national view, some Taiwanese consider themselves not Chinese is pretty understandable. Taiwan has its own government, policies, and justice system that are different from China. The cultural and historical background also comes into consideration, because not all people who lives in Taiwan are Han Chinese. We also need to consider the indigenous people, colonization from other countries, and the thought changes through multiple generations.
It's pretty clear we're you learn of it that when you see the title of this episode, you can't help but say DUH as I am. Jeez
The title should be "Why isn't China a Part of Taiwan?"
your pronunciations are upsetting c.Cee. p?
Why did US president Truman decide not to interfere in China politics and let communist China be so powerful that no longer make nationalist Taiwan comeback a reality
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The PLA did try twice in 1954 and 1958 to invade Taiwan but both ended in disaster. Maybe third time's the charm? In any case, back in 1971, many countries were happy to have 2 Chinas, 1 communist and the other nationalist, but Chiang refused. Too late now.
Chiang believe he's a Chinese ❤
So basically China entered a warlord period yet again in the 1920s? I’ve always wondered how Japan could have gained so much territory in China and southeast east Asia when it’s a tiny weak country and China is huge and powerful, makes more sense if China had imperials nationalists warlords communists fighting each other and the nationalists apparently couldn’t hold their own faction together much less the country
@user-mm7zi4ue7dwhat 💀
@user-mm7zi4ue7d uhm I don't think Nato existed yet, unless you simply mean the countries that now make up NATO
simple answer will be progress of industrialization which lead to economic and military advantages.
At that time, Japan was an industrial country, while China was an agricultural country.
Before all that in 1920 during that time? China wasn't even ruling China at that time. The fake Chinese dynasty known as the Qing wasn't even ruled the real Chinese people it was under Manchu rule from Manchuria. Under Manchu/Manchuira's policies they banned and neglected science, technology, and halted all advancements in guns/firearms and gunpowder weapons. Because of this China ended falling behind on everything and was heavily weaken. Even after winning their independence in the 1911 Revolution against Manchu rule. The polices of Manchuria still badly damaged China in many fields not just in science and technology through out most of the 1900s.
There goes your social credit score, again
The thumbnail asks why China became communist. I didn't see that answered here.
You probably should have mentioned the Russian/USSR influences from the very beginning.
don't touch her！！！！！！！！！
Because China is not strong enough to end this civil war yet. But I have no doubt it will end in unification in the future.
"Why does Taiwan exist?" asked Xi calmly.
" It does not " - he said to himself. It's all just a dream..