Can White Stop The Pawn??
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8/3N4/8/7N/5b2/5k1K/5p2/8 w - - 0 1
Puzzle Details:
Josef Kling, 1868
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Black: *is about to win
White: _in Nelson's voice_ White to play and DRAW!
Black: Oh crap....
White: _in Nelson's voice_ Well if you had a chance to lo-
Black: Stop, I give up.
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I have a chess puzzle, how do I send it to you?
Black: "why am I always black on Nelson's puzzles?"
@@tykemorrisIncase this is an actual question, it's because white starts the game therefore it makes sense that every puzzle starts with white to play, it's also for the sake of consistency.
4.36 bg4@@fajdek7032
You can't blame Black for rage quitting this game!
making the opponent to rage quit is a win.
@@wernerviehhauser94yeah lol
It's a game. Rage is bad sportsmanship.
@@danielschechter8130 Rage is good sportsmanship. It shows you care about the game. If you can control your feelings, it means you do not love the game. If you rage at your opponent, then that's a different story. You have to rage against yourself.
Rage quitting is a defeat while the other option is a draw.
Pawn: im going to be a queen
Knights: nope sorry sir
Enemies of transsexuality. 😎
I didn't "solve" the puzzle, but I did see the "only move to not lose" -options. So I could play the puzzle and get the right result. I would have taken me a bit to realize that there is a continuous loop to play which prevents black from promoting the pawn ever.
This reminds me of some episodes of the TV show Columbo. Peter Falk would ask the killer some questions, get ready to leave, and then say, "Oh, one more thing ..."
Some episodes? Every episode!
Love Columbo. Murder by the Book etc...classics.
I saw the first two knight moves but then I got confused. It seemed like the bishop should dominate the knight but I guess there are so many stalemates on the board that it doesn't matter. Fascinating puzzle.
Couldn't the bishop just own both knights? If whites king owns the bishop then the king just checkmates
@@tsundude4320: The problem with Black's game is that his king is tied to the pawn. Without this pawn, Black can't win. Even if Black doesn't take the knight after 1.Ne5+!!, he runs out of real estate. For example 1...Ke3 2. Ng4+ forking king and pawn draws the game. Or 1...Ke4 2.Kg2! (Black can't win if White's king is on f1 unless both knights are captured.) There are many things Black can try but they all end in similar disappointment.
Sac the move the king, I think but I pause 17 seconds in and am only 1600
Then not the where is the edit button
Stalemate mechanic in chess always felt weird to me.
Bruh
@@anonymousanonymous9271the theory that keeps popping up is the siege analogy where the enemy has nowhere to run and is thus surrounded. Of course this is a boardgame and so the method of attrition/starving out is a gruesome and out of place analogy for a clean game, but it still feels whacky.
I don't play chess, but if your king is trapped like that, shouldn't that lose you the game? I agree it feels weird
The stalemate is the kill screen of the game, the stalemated player cannot make an illegal move and the attacking player can't checkmate outside of their turn, thus the game 'hangs.'
@@alphax4785
What's a "kill screen"?
You could easily change the rules so the king has to make a move into his own demise. That's not the issue at all.
They keep it around cause someone centuries ago must have thought it makes the game more interesting and now it's stuck.
1:25 I calculated up to this point, but then I was like, damn, I can't see my king moving anywhere where it would be a stalemate. Without realising he can't move at all.
Very difficult puzzle but very interesting. I don’t encounter stalemate puzzles too often , good video
East or west Papa Nelson’s puzzles are the best
Well, I had a correct guess but I didn't realize that it'd be a stalemate
Thanks for sharing this interesting puzzle.
Found from beginning, except considering Kd1. Thank you very much
Wow thats a hell of a good puzzle. Hope to use this in game
That is some grade-A magnificent bastardry
What if the black moved the bishop backwards to e5 instead of capturing? Time index 4:37... actually I think I see it white just moves the knight back in front of the pawn again and it's rinse and repeat
Yes. The Bishop is in the perfect spot to trap the knight but if it moves anywhere the knight has a safe move. With the white king on g2, the Black King can't capture our knight without losing the pawn.
So, in that final position the pawn can move and promote. The queen might be captured by the knight, sure, but given the title of the video: no, the pawn cannot be stopped.
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If the pawn/queen is captured, I believe it's a draw since neither side can physically achieve checkmate with the remaining pieces so Black still fails. They can try to dance around trying to squeeze that pawn through but as long as white doesn't make a fatal error, this will inevitably end in a draw due to the same position repeating 3 times.
Nice. I normally do not think about going to stalemate
Plot twist: black resigns
What if he doesnt capture the first knight
The black king is in check so the knight must be captured, or move the king. If black moves the king than white will have two free roaming knights available to take the pawn using the methods/moves shown in the puzzle. Two knights can jump around a lot and clean up pieces if played properly. With the limited spaces available to protect the pawn it would be bad to leave that knight around after the check. $0.02
These puzzles are tough
Before playing the video, I'm going to guess the first move is Ne5+.
If black plays Ke2, white takes the bishop and wherever black moves white will be able to stop the pawn - ...Kf1 Ng4, Ke1 Nfd3+, Kd1 Ng4 e1Q Ne3+.
If black plays Bxe5, then white will play Ng3, where black cannot take the second knight due to stalemate and has no way to make progress since the knight covers both e2 and f1. If black makes a waiting move (eg. ...Bf4), white plays Nf1 Ke2 Kg2, drawing as black again cannot progress.
Edit - yay I was right!
Awesome! Keep those puzzles coming! :)
I got this one but it was good. If I do enough of these puzzles I'll get over my fear of sacrifices.
What about if on 5:06 black plays bishop anywhere along b8-h2 diagonal *_EXCEPT_* taking the knight on g3? Not Kh2 Bxg3+ with f1=Q# to follow. Nf1 therefore and we're back to square one.
Just Go Back to f1
From the position where black bishop is at e5, black king is at f3, black pawn is at f2, white knight is at g3 and white king is at h3, I think there is another move for black to try which is a bishop move on b8-h2 diagonal which is NOT f4 (or taking the knight). Then:
-White cant move the king since bishop would just take the knight with check.
-Only knight move that stops a promotion is Nf1 (other knight moves dont lead to a stalemate trap either)
-After Nf1 black plays Ke2 and now white cant move the knight anywhere. (any move with the knight would lead to its capture by bishop or king)
-So after Ke2 white plays Kg2.
-After Kg2 there are 2 paths for black. First is Bishop staying on the b8-h2 dioganal (b8-c7-d6-e5). If this is the case there is Nd2 by white and black king cant take the knight since white would take the pawn(Kh1 works aswell here). Black cant make progress here since while will keep moving the knight Nd2-Nf1 if black doesnt move the bishop from the b8-h2 diagonal.
- 2nd path if black bishop goes to a7-g1 diagonal (a7-b6-c5-d4) after Kg2. This time white knight will hop between Ng3-Nf1 and again black cant progress so its a draw.
i figured the very first move and i feel incredibly proud
1:01
Instead of taking a knight, black king should move to e-2.
Ke2 would be followed by Nxf4+. Then black has no bishop. If he drops to e1, Nd3 would fork the king and pawn. King moves, Nxf2. If he goes to f1, Nf3 is a stalemate. If he moves away from the pawn, Kg2 moves into position to take the pawn or queen.
Without the bishop, there's no hope to promote the pawn.
These things always look impossible to me. Very cool.
What happens if the initial knight sacrifice is declined?
Well the Black King would have to move and then I think white knights may have the advantage
Either the king will be able to move to g2 or the other knight will be able to take the bishop. Either way, black won't be able to promote.
2:02 black can also promote to a knight and proceed to capture white knight in next move, and mate with bishop + knight, right?
Irrelevant, as black can win faster by taking the knight.
If he captures the knight it is stalemate
@@Fatih-jq2it No, when the white knight gets captured by the new knight, G1 and H3 would be available for the white king.
they could, but it's easier & faster to just take the knight and get a queen.
I think for B-N-K to mate a lone K, you have to drive the solo king into the corner as the same color as the bishop. In this case, I don't THINK black can drive white out of the corner, but I could be wrong.
Yeah he just got to flip the table over
excellent... thank you very much
saw every move for once cool traps
Black is not forced to take the knight with the bishop
The alternative isn't better.
I won't end up in this position if I knew how to defend this position.
I guess white gets stalemate at the end since knight will be captured in g3 while the king is stuck in h1!
I’m so proud of myself for seeing those first moves 😂
Very good one
Surely if we can get the black bishop to e1 promotion of the pawn is inevitable
Is it really a zugzwang if there's a way out of it?
this was great
Workin' on our knight moves
tryin to lose the awkward queenin moves
Thanks!
Very nice !
A case when extra knight is a burden to get rid of.
Back moves pawn
I like how I got everything wrong, even though I thought really hard. That means I'm stupid.
That’s a pretty hard puzzle, especially if,you don’t think of forcing a stalemate.
At 17 seconds, the first 2 moves are obvious but there is more
There's also an interesting variation where black don't take the knight on the first move and instead play Ke2.
White K takes Bishop at f4 causing check at e2. Black K goes to e1 and K will fork it. Of Black K goes d1, it's safe but white K will approach the pawn. Same if Black K goes to d2. So Black goes to e3 and the K will continue checking
Why wouldn’t black just move the bishop off of the diagonal that puts the king into a potential stalemate scenario?
Then white would be able to shuffle the knight between f1 and h2.
What if this is a bullet game?
What about Nh2 at the end?
enjoyed.
I really solved all moves of this puzzle.
I did NOT solve it on my own but I had a lot of fun!
1:59 But what if black gets a rook instead and we have to play Kh3? Can we still draw?
In that case you need to get a Keyblade.
@@Dash123456789Brawl What does that mean?
@@crowreligion Well I don’t have the full context, because I’ve never played any of the games, but when I see KH3 my mind goes to Kingdom Hearts 3, which was rumoured I think for over a decade before it was finally announced.
"White to move and draw" is a more accurate title than "Can white stop the pawn?" . You actually cannot "stop" the pawn, but just force stalemate if it queens. Saw the first two moves, right away, but missed that a couple more moves of analysis were needed to really make it complete.
Well if you checkmate before a pawn can promote, that's stopping the pawn (from promoting) in my book. I don't like clickbait either, but it seems fair in this case. It can be rephrased as "can you stop this imminent threat?"
@Jungle4.36 bg5Library
19th century people were really smart
Most excellent!
to mate white you need to drag the game out. you have 50 moves to swing the black king around the top forcing the knight and white king to block the pawn, once they are on the wrong side, you can pinch them out.
I'm not sure black is out of moves at that point. I would move the bishop somewhere far away, covering the pawn, allowing the white king to move up.
A neat try at the end is Nh2+, which fails because of Bxh2 Kxh2 f1=R! (not Q because stalemate) Kh3 Rh1#
I wa thinking abt that
What about King to h4?
in the first move, couldn't black just move the king instead of capturing?
This is exactly what I miss in the video
From the final postion what happens if
Black promotes Pawn
White knight takes black queen
Black king moves down 1
White knight is forced to move to a position to be taken by Black Bishop but crucially not in a position to force white stalemate?
So then you have a bishop and a king to get a king in CM?
What am I missing there?
A bishop isn't enough to get a checkmate.
1:29 hows it a draw?
You can't move your king into check. If you have no valid movements but your king is not in check it's a stalemate and the game ends in draw
This is the best Chess channel on here. Most others are them playing, this is much better.
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I'm smart enough to understand everything said but most especially that I suck at chess. Although that last part was prior knowledge.
As somebody who doesn't play much chess, the fact that a stalemate is a draw and not a win for the attacking player seems like a silly and arbitrary rule.
Only one question: what if white not takes after first knignt move? Very hard to calculate.
Looks like endgame queen vs. knights. Don't know how its finished. Probably a draw.
Ne5+ if Bxe5, Ng3+ Bxg3 is stalemate.
Can a Knight and Bishop deliver checkmate? If so, on time 2:06, promote the pawn to Knight.
That's very clever; however, I believe it cannot be achieved here because you must drive the opposing king to the corner that matches the bishop's color. In this particular case, Black has the wrong colored bishop! Perhaps it IS possible to drive the white king out of that corner, into the opposite corner, and deliver checkmate? However, my brain broke when I tried to analyze your idea so I'm unsure.
Don't forget, also, the 50 moves rule: There are no pawns to move here, so Black would have to deliver checkmate in 50 moves. If checkmate here is possible and done right, I THINK it should only take about 20-odd moves but I'm no endgame expert.
Or a rook. Then 1. Kh3 Rf2 2. Nf1 (best) Rxf1 3. Kh4 Rh1 is mate.
@@Zwischy After ...f1=N+ it's mate in 22. Also, Black had two other ways to mate: ...f1=R is mate in 3 (as mentioned by christopherheckman) and simply ...Bxg3+ is mate next move.
@@Zwischy Bishop and a knight can always mate a lone king but it takes 32 moves in worst case if I remember correctly (king in wrong color corner, both bishop and knight close to center of the board). However, there's the 50 move rule which basically tells that if the attacker makes even one non-optimal move, the defender can probably live for 50 moves in total and draw that way.
For a perfect play, bishop and knight wins every time.
5:06 amazing video, thank you. Always learning something new from you
So what if black does not take the first knight ? That would instructive to see
Knight goes to e5 then other one goes next to king
I don't see why black can't move the bishop to avoid the stalemate?
Because then white can either shuffle the king between h1 and g2, or the knight between f1 and g3.
@@ZwischyThank you.
1 queen beats 2 knights? I'd take my chances
Why would the black simply not move the bishop off that diagonal at the end though? To like C1 or H6? Or even better, maneuver to where they can defend the pawn without the knight threatening the bishop in return, so you avoid the situation where white can push black's king away from the pawn itself, allowing the white king to take it?
The title gave it away, a bit We might have tried looking for a promotion and stalemate.
As a 700 Elo player I was able to complete the puzzle (big part of it was at the beginning)
That’s a little wonky tbh, I guess it’s just the rules of the game, but why would the bishop at g3 cause a stalemate? Sure, white is not in check but they also can’t make any moves… Technically black does have moves to make, it’s just not their turn. But white is completely stuck, so how is it a stalemate… can someone please explain?
a stalemate is, when the player who has to move, is unable to, while not being in check, a stalemate in chess is always a draw.
@@minatic1148 ahhh gotcha, so if one is losing, instead of going for an improbably win, they can try and get themselves ‘stuck’, per say, to get the stalemate
Why didn't you analyse the black king moves instead of taking on e5? Draw doesn't look so obvious if king e2 for example.
Ne5+ Ke2, Nxf4+ Ke1(or Kf1), Nd3+ and that pawn is lost.
Why does Nh2 lose instead of Ng3 in the end? It's the same principle.
After Nh2 Black moves Bh2, at which point White is not in stalemate because the bishop is unprotected. Kh2 is forced, leaving the pawn free to promote.
At 4.15 what if black plays Be3?
Ng3+ and either the white king keeps moving g2-h1-g2 with the knight controlling the promotion square, or if the bishop retakes the diagonal then white moves the knight back to f1 and there's the stalemate threat again.
It's quite brutal since Black is winning but is forced to chose how they would draw. Either take the stalemate or repeat move
2:50 i thought g2
I got every move it this puzzle correct, but I want to point out a blunder from black. From 2:00, f1=B or f1=R wins the game for black.
Nice catch, at 2:00 you even have Bxg3 and then f1=Q#
At 2:00 minutes you can have an elephant instead of queen and you can avoid stalemate and win
4:48 Bd2 ???
IM Eric Rosen would die from ecstasy if he got this position as White in a time scramble.
Id table flip as black lol
Not my level, but is nice to see pros at work.
Ok, but what happens if black doesn't take the first knight and just moves the king to e2?
Doesn't that avoid the stalemate trap?
The other knight takes bishop with check. If black king moves up, then you stop the pawn with your king. If black king moves down to e1 protecting the pawn, you just deliver check with knight to f3 to push him away from the defense of the pawn.
1...Ke2 2.Nf4+ The idea is now take de pawn with the king and if 2...Kf1 to protect the pawn, then 3.Nd3+ and takes the pawn next move.
1...Ke3 2.Ng4+ and 3.Nxf2
1...Ke4 2.Kg2, if 2...Be3, 3.Ng4 and takes the pawn.
1...Ke2 2.Nxf4+ The idea is now take the pawn with the king and if 2...Kf1 to protect the pawn, then 3.Nd3+ and takes the pawn next move.
1...Ke3 2.Ng4+ and 3.Nxf2
1...Ke4 2.Kg2, if 2...Be3, 3.Ng4 and takes the pawn.
1...Ke2 2.Nxf4+ The idea is now take the pawn with the king and if 2...Kf1 to protect the pawn, then 3.Nd3+ and takes the pawn next move.
1...Ke3 2.Ng4+ and 3.Nxf2
1...Ke4 2.Kg2, if 2...Be3, 3.Ng4 and takes the pawn.
1...Ke2 2.Nxf4+ The idea is now take the pawn with the king and if 2...Kf1 to protect the pawn, then 3.Nd3+ and takes the pawn next move.
1...Ke3 2.Ng4+ and 3.Nxf2
1...Ke4 2.Kg2, if 2...Be3, 3.Ng4 and takes the pawn.
Forced check sac
First instinct is Ne5+. If bishop takes, Ng3 and bishop can't take back because stalemate. If the king moves, Kg2.
Absolutely beautiful.
Why does black have to take first knight?