100 year old church organs had programmable presets! I BOUGHT A CHURCH ORGAN - part 15
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- TIME TO WIRE IN THE ORGAN PRESETS
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Sam, now you’ll never need a burglar alarm in there. Just wire it up so the organ starts playing manic carnival music and the teletubbies start crooning if somebody opens a door or window. The most hardened criminal in the world would nope tf out of there in a second
Oh man he needs to do this! He's also got stuff like the furby organ as well, definitely potential to make the most cursed burglar alarm in the world!
I wouldn't even feel comfortable watching it in a YT video. That's some next-level creep right there. * shudder *
@@mrrandomperson3106 And the GB synth could activate and provide a low square-wave roar to underscore the cacophony.
And some creepy looking old dolls with their heads slowly spinning around
LMFAO!! That would be straight out of your favorite slasher flick! .🤣
11:44 The technology behind that stool’s adjustable height is really the _height_ of human ingenuity! 😮
Thought the same. It is even self-adjusting since a shorter person will have shorter arms and thus place themselves closer to the keyboards.
BBBUUTTT SSSAMMMMMMM, YOUR DOIN IT WRONG SAM. SAMMMMMMMMM
NOOO DON'TT DO IT LIKE THATT SAMMMM
You can't do that Sam! You'll fail! You'll ruin a piece of history!
when he did the voice thing of this first time, i laughed so hard and hear it in my head every time i watch a video and he gets something else working on the organ xD
@@simon515have you ever heard of Sam's FU song? It is in the previous episode and I am not joking with you!
BUTTTTT CARRRRLLLLLLLLL
I never imagined spending hours watching videos of you messing with an antique church organ, would be so interesting.
That's why he'smade 15 parts!
Interesting the bright spots we find in this darkest timeline.
Late for work again.......
One thought that came to mind watching this is to suggest you put together a small box for future generations, stocked with some extras of the parts you're introducing to the build. That includes a spare Arduino, which might not be available in 50 or so years. Mark it "Do Not Open Until Christmas - 2075!"
This is a really good idea.
And add a magnetic hard disk or burned DVD with all the code and software on it. Not an sd card or solid state drive, they'll start to lose data after several years of being unused.
@@FPSlackero will a burned DVD as the chemicals degrade, and a magnetic hardrive isn't immune to data rot either, and who knows if it'll still be good mechanicaly if left unused for an extended period.
Paper and ink is probably a good idea too if you want longevity.
Yeah good idea. I had thought about how to put the code in it. Maybe solid state not sure! But yeah good shout on spare arduino. I have designed it with future tech in mind. I mention in an early vid. Purposely avoiding multiplexers and complicated circuits to reduce wires but increase troubleshooting. In theory if something dies someone can replace it with a modern alternative with ease. That's my thinking with how it's wired anyways. But I do need to include paper of the midi allocations and stuff. And as you say code incase and good idea on spares
One word……..Cracking👍🏻
The 'unknown' button under the swell keyboard is probably an 'all stop clear', which may be indicated with a zero. Does exactly what you intend to use it for!
I came here to say this. Many organs have a “General Cancel” piston which turns all the stops off, although they would usually be off to one side. It could also be a Swell to Great coupler.
Not exactly the same task, but no reason why it shouldn't do both. well, except that when you clear a stuck midi note then you have to re-select your last preset.
Given that the button has two wires, it would say it is a Swell to Great reversible, so when it is pressed it toggles on or off the swell to great stop if there is one. The toe piston might be swell to pedal or great to pedal reversible too. I find these couplers not super useful on a small organ like this but sometimes they exist.
"MIDI SCRAM" was the suggested name :)
Even Hauptwerk has a 'midi release/reset' function that you can assign to any key or switch.😉
30 odd years back I discovered a channel four series called The Secret Life of Machines. A weird artist called Tim Hunkin, and his mate Rex Garrod who was helping to invent a stupid concept of robots fighting each other. I loved that show. Tim is still going. Rex has left the chat. You, mate.....you are the feller doing their work. And also your own work. Similar work. Tim is still going but I can't imagine even the late Rex would look upon your work with anything but approval. You 'apparently' don't know what you're doing whilst you either did it just now, or a bit later. Love the channel.
The pretentious painter bit had me laughing so hard. :D
Me too. And then I started to actually like it... 🤔
Hirst is spinning in his urinal right now
This organ is really starting to check all the boxes.
Fun fact: that option to leave a stop in the state it's in regardless of position is unique to that style of setter mechanism. Most newer digital systems aren't capable of that, they can only set a stop on or off.
I don't know whether I'd say "most", as it's very common to have a "map" facility that allows you to program which stops will be affected by any particular piston. I use that feature regularly to program pistons that will, for example, turn all tremulants on or off, without changing the actual registration at all.
@@rknud007 There are probably some advanced systems somewhere that can do it, but every digital setter system I've seen in the wild has consisted of a "set" button that commits the current state of all the stops to a piston. Far as I can tell that's the norm for combination actions that don't have the switchboard that Sam's organ has.
@@mrrandomperson3106 Opus-Two, Uniflex, Artisan and probably most other modern systems allow 'mapping' or 'ranging' what stops will be controlled by a given piston. Sometimes it's done in software, and sometimes via the use of a MAP or RANGE piston, but no matter what, the functionality is generally there.
I don't know that much about organs, but there's quite a few tri state things (on/off/high impedance.)
When you had just purchased the organ I doubted you'd ever get it to work properly.
Hard work, attention to detail and perseverance have turned this into a unique project.
And as usual it's absolutely bonkers. I love it.
I think this is one of the coolest series you've done so far.
Especially since _it's never going to work_ and _no no no_ and _you're doing it all wrong_ !
Nothing more satisfying than a zillion midi notes playing and almost not a single hang. Well done chaps, that's special right there.
Back in the day with the 1040st and pro 12 it happened all the time
Sam the Multimedia Artist! Love your babbling as the painting becomes darker and darker :)
The switchboard looks lovely, simple, and pretty steampunk too. And again, I love your cable lacing! Stay determined and Keri on :)
Bonking mechanisms to make them start to work again is so satisfying
If in doubt, give it a clout. Bit of percussive maintenance.
And hammers hitting the various bits of woodwork could also make some interesting percussive sounds
I think the term 'mad genius' is an understatement. Have watched you for the past several years and seen you coming up with ever crazier ideas. This thing sounds so good!
You could say Sam has really pulled out all the stops on this project!
That last musical bit had some serious Monty-Python-on-coke vibes
Sam's going to be world famous for his magnificent organ soon...
"Man overclocks organ" 😂😂
This is amazing, each update just brings the whole thing to a level that wasn't imagined prior. Brilliant work!
I FINALLY just showed my church organist mother some of these pipe organ videos - most of the first episode of pulling it out the house, a bit of the 6th or 7th vid with a recap of progress so far, and most of this one.
In her 50-plus-years as an organist, she's played everything from electric church organs (mostly), to pipe organs, to even the dreaded foot-pump parlor organs back in the day! We talked about the presets on specific organs she played, some I remember from being a little kid, and she emphasized those were all *electric* organs (although I know they weren't *digital*). She'd never seen anything like that manual preset switchboard.
Also, since she's a short lady who has struggled her whole life to reach the pedals wherever she's playing, we both laughed a LOT at the "fully adjustable" bench part!
I love this channel, been watching right along the last few years without commenting much. Just HAD to say something tonight. I'm an organ & synth fan, my mom is the organist I've been watching perform my whole life, AND she's the one who first introduced me to synthesizer music ages ago. It was amazing to watch these vids with her.
Thanks so much for these videos, and thanks for rescuing this organ & making it part of your museum!
I love the subtle easter egg of the numbers on the wall. Nice one Sam.
They're 0-indexed. hahaha
I just love wire lacing and lacing the wire looms, I once had some contracts for fitting warden call alarm systems in sheltered housing schemes, I had done half a dozen of these jobs and got a phone call one day to tell me the last job I had done had different specs and I had to travel halfway down the country to change the lacing for plastic cable ties, I was very pissed off!
i love it too, i learned at deutsche telekom, we laced the big telephone cable to learn, 2000 DA(doublewire) in office centrals, a means to bring order into chaos, sure we laced all our small projects too with jsut handful 20-50 wires, but the big cable will always be in my memory
Who knew that I would watch and thoroughly enjoy 15 videos of a man playing with his organ!
Love it when Sam shows off his organ, it really is starting to come together. 2x👍
The "painting series" was so funny!! It's so good to see it all coming together, and the brain is so ingenious! I love that everything is based around MIDI which will make it able to talk to other instruments, play back performances and other MIDI files, etc.
Sam! Great video as ever! Don't put yourself down because you don't have every skillset (i.e. advanced programming skills) to achieve what you have achieved. You have created an epic project, involving: pneumatics, electrics, electronics, mechanics, software, vision, design and your own unique style of barking madness with all your hard work, that has been so entertaining to watch! Keep up the good work mate!
The 3rd painting in the series, made me think of sitting in a cave looking out over a lake as the sun sets...
Im amazed that (most of) those mechanical valves kept up with the nearly-black MIDI.
That circus gallop sounds like classical breakcore
The pedal piston is probably the tutti piston which activates all stops
I still dont understand over half the things that you do but your channel is brilliant i watch in awe. There some really clever people out there.Ive particularly enjoyed the whole church organ build.
Man, that's awesome! The attention to the detail, the creativity of the upgrades and of course, the valve shutting at the end.
Now you need to add midi controlled actuators to the keyboards ...
Just imagine watching the organ play itself 🤪
THIS!!!!!!
The percussive tap at the end. Best way to fix any stuck relay!
I've watched many of Sam's vids over the years. I've watched him grow and learn. An absolutely amazing kid! So talented. Not only with electronics and programming, but he can play some pretty witty tunes as well! Keep it up!
If you are gonna get microphones for recording then you can create a way for people over internet to pay a fee to play the organ a song they want and get a record of it.
When we did the Federation Bells project in Melbourne (>20 years ago) there was a constant live stream and people were able to upload thier own midi files to play on the Bells. IIRC someone manually handled the process but it would be a cool thing on this project too, manual or automated, but I'm not sure is Sam would want the organ running 24x7 😮
The new OAAS business model, aka Organ as a Service
yeah I suggested this in a few videos back. He should stream on twitch, randomly switching between cameras of the pipes. Then have a donation bot which can take requests. However SAM might need to first modify midi files to work on the organ. Maybe they could donate a different amount to have specific songs added to the pool
@@hungyG Don't let the pharmaceuticals industry hear about this idea.
@@andybrice2711look up Repo: The Genetic Opera - you might dig it, if you’re here
7:02 that was actually quite a great explanation, what's important in such a program is your state being described very clearly, not implicit, not to be guessed from rules, one clear source of truth, and this design identifies important points of the process in which the state reflects what needs to happen, directly based on what happened at the previous stage.
- keys buffer, i guess one bit for each key, enough to know what the keyboard is doing, you can update this when you get a midi message, or however you learn about the state of a key.
- pipes puffer: same for pipes, if at least one key for a pipe in the previous buffer is up, then we need to be up
- pipes: for each bit in the pipes buffer, if the pipe is in a different state, we need to update it, so you can send a midi message, or whatever signal you need to send to update the physical world with your will.
and of course yeah, while doing all that you want to not let messages accumulate, so you poll for new messages as often as possible.
I'm sure you have all the cogs you need, but they are already pretty busy, i'm a programmer and i certainly couldn't do what you do with electronics :D. Well, at least not without spending a lot of time getting up to speed.
Dude, with all the stuff you do and can do i'm pretty sure you got more cogs spinning than most of us :D
The LEDSs were a great idea, epecially for an instrument that spends as much time being seen as it does being heard. Sure Bach's Toccata in Dm will look beautiful with its big sweeps up and down scales. All the switches moving by themselves looks awesome and kinda reminds me of the NINA by Melbourne Instruments
I think when you're finished working on Joan's Organ you really need to rerecord the'you don't know what you're doing' song!
YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR DOING SAM!!!!!!!!!!!!
I would absolutely love to hear 'Lullaby Of The Leaves' on the church organ. It would be so mesmerizing and create such a peaceful atmosphere. Please, make it happen!
Black MIDI on a real organ is BRILLIANT! I want to see more!
After seeing you take a hacksaw to the cables in the original video I thought oh boy, incredible what you've managed to do to this thing.
I’m a church organist, and whilst my regular Sunday instrument is a digitised Italian job from the 1990’s (Viscount) I do play other instruments on request.
I’ve seen several preset boards on electro-mechanical pipe organs that use model railway track as the on and off bus, and one organ used brass picture hooks as the movable contact between these. I guess the organ maker back in the day used what they could get hold of?
Wondering how these presets originally worked back when this system was new. The only diodes available back then were tubes (valves).
Those lights on the tubes were so much work but they keep giving and giving to the videos.. Such a good idea.
I love this series! As an organist myself, good luck voicing/tuning all the pipes, dont get too frustrated 😋
Fascinating craziness!
Love the hymn choices on the board... 😉
The last presets I saw had a foot pedal which rotated a pillar behind the pull-in-and-out stops. Cams, one for each stop, were bolted to the pillar in such a position that as they rotated it pushed the stop in or out.
those teletubbies look absolutely terrifying 😬
You should submit your artist part of the video for the Turner prize! It would definitely win! Watched all of this series in one day. ABSOLUTLY CRACKING AND INSPIRING LOVE IT!
This is an epic project. I had no idea there is so much involved with an organ like this. Just amazing and awesome to watch and see it develop.
That troubleshoot at the very ending is top notch :D
There's been music like this on real church organs here and there before, but it's such a cool thing to have one dedicated to the genre!
This is such a fun series. I've really enjoyed watching you resurrect this old beauty.
Love this series man thanks for the work you are putting into this project
You cut off the best part of the circus gallop. Where the build up to the big finish. Love the progress.
Thank you for including a full version of the Circus Gallop at the end! So good
I’m so looking forward to visiting your museum next month. It’ll be amazing to see all this. O_O
Dear God that song... it reminds me of that quote about the Hydrogen Sonata: As a challenge, it is without equal. As music, it is without merit.
The organ sounds amazing in the room. It booms! It's very responsive too!
If you ever get the chance, take a trip to Ramsgate, but allow 3 hours on your parking ticket, time will fly by in there.
You may have already realised but the preset switches have three positions, on, off and NEUTRAL. If you leave the switch in the middle (not making contact) then that stop will not be affected by the combination button (piston), and will stay in whatever position the organist left it. Love the channel - keep up the great (and barmy) work! Hope to visit the Museum again in the future.
Yeah it's cool :D I mention it in the vid Woopwoop :D
The explaining the painting part cracked me up :)
Great job mate!
Soldering, coding, wood-working, Mini driving, raising a teletubbies army... just a normal week in the life of LMNC!
One of those was probably for a general cancel (all stops off). Sometimes there is also a "sforzando" piston (all stops on). ALso, when will you add a swell box? Great job by the way!!!!
Love the “£10 Fine” Sticker 😂
The back of that preset panel makes me happy is some neolithic basic part of my brain.
4th preset should trigger the tele tubby tidal wave
That cursed art excursion was quite entertaining :P
As someone who can admire abstract painting. Looking at "Change" felt like I was being taken away to a remote landscape draped only by the light of a sunset. All alone to find the change I want to find in myself. "Closing In" simply perfect encapsulation of the human psyche in a battle against itself, oppressing ones on light-heartedness with darkness.
I liked them. They were pretty. The Organ's pretty sick, too.
TO REALLY.... HENCEFORTH-
I actually really like your abstract works. So temporal.
Soooo . . . comiing up, the ability to use the entire museum as an instrument!
Now you need to make a video of it playing Rush E. :D
You're a very good - and top - engineer in all what you do and invent. And you are also a repair genius. I'm very impressed by all your skills. Captain Nemo in his Nautilus...
You jest, but seriously, parts 3 and 4 were better paintings than some of the stuff that I've seen in fancy museums!
Once the organ is completed, and for the inauguration, you should invite Anna Lapwood. She is a young organist (and overall musical genius) dedicated to the promotion of organs and organ music. You might have seen a video of her at the Royal Albert Hall where she played Otomo with Bonobo and blew away all of this electronic lovers crowd with the majestic organ that lives there. Just the beautiful merging of electronic music with an instrument used for millennia, just like what you're doing here!
Thanks for the hint !
Its here : ua-cam.com/video/AdyAF9M3XVw/v-deo.html
worth it just to see how much she was enjoying it !!
@@ppeglar2 Yes ! So good, love this video to bits
You are hilarious. "Oh my God, I just played a note".
I lol'd at the number sign.
All the important numbers -1.
The telly tubby intro is so on-brand for you it's ridiculous
Oh I wanted to comment on that video about the MIDI problem. Well done! Good solution!
Years ago I had the same problem coding in Assembler for Z80. So I made an 8 bit counter for each note that increased +1 for every key down and decreased -1 for each key up. The buttons/keys were freely configurable. However, biggest headache was not this but debouncing those keys in software.
Oooh, now I'm wondering whether it can/will play Rush-E as well! Awesome series, keep it up!
At 9:30 there is an anguished face struggling to get out of the top of the remaining varnish pattern, echoing Sam's struggles as an artist
No longer a journey. An Odyssey ...
Fantastic work!
loving this series!
Complete madness! I love it!
Yeah, I went through 4.5-5 years of art school (never graduated, but I turned out OK). Loved your painting odyssey. :)
How this guy has a time for all of this? I'm asking for real. He's all over the place, fixing cars, telephones, old transistors, organs, keyboards, various exotic rubbish... and then record everything and post. Wow!
When steampunk invents cyberpunk !
Incredibly entertaining !!!
Awesome commitment to this project you lovely nutter! 👏 xo ❤ xo 🥳
Get in, congratulations. Yeah life is grand if you appreciate little things😉 cheers and good luck on your next.👊🏻
+1 for the skeletal look
You are a true inspiration for all of us !!!!! ❤️
That preset panel man XD I fucking love primitive logic stuff like that
Still loving this project. An amazing amount of work!
So this is where the phrase comes from!!
“To pull out all the stops means to make every possible effort or use all available resources to achieve an end. The "stops" in question were originally the physical stop knobs of a pipe organ. [Travis] Scott pulled out all the stops at the concert's end”
Every Days is a School Day.
Thanks Sam.
Love you man. 😁
As an art critic you belong to the class defined as pi$$ arti$t$ 👍
Brilliant 😎
Yes! Love your content! Wish I could visit your museum, but it's so far away from me. I will have to settle for the amazing videos you make. Thanks again!
I wonder if Sam is ever going to wire the organ to the telephone system... As a kid, I used to play small songs with the DTMF tones you would hear when you pressed the buttons, I don't think it would be difficult to convert these tones to MIDI On/Off events !