Ive been binge watching so many AC6 videos these last few days, both positive and negative takes, but this vid has been my favourite thus far. I wish to aspire to this level of meme usage in my videos 😂 You've earned my subscription❤
On the Machine Mimic and Dragon part May i remind you Bio Weapons are a thing in Armored Core? 😂 Kisaragi can casually make Plasma Shooting Spiders The entire Disorder Unit species in AC2 Also the Droideka Unit looked like it was actually being a Mimic But screw Dragons, i want to fight a Bio Mechanical Space Whale
Honestly, with how the Coral in ACVI seemed to have burned out a star, I wouldn't be surprised if ACVI would have us fight a giant mechanical space station powered up by all the Coral in the star system.
@@enricopaolocoronado2511 I mean this is Fromsoftware, they really like Giant Boss Fights Have you SEEN how massive Motherwill was? They are like 200x larger than a Armored Core, the most common size AC are like around 7 Meter(Mostly in 5th Gen), 10 Meter(3rd, some NEXT, and 6th Gen), and the Tallest are 15 Meter Tall NEXT's In comparison to Suits from Gundam, the average AC's are smaller than Ball HOWEVER, the average speed of AC's hilariously enough are over 400+km/hour while most Gundams top at like 300 km/hour And NEXT gets more ridicilous with going beyond 1000 km/hour
@@RenoKyrie True. Although, I did see the model kit that comes with the ACVI preorder which comes in at 19cm. Assuming it's still at the 1/72 scale, it's around 13.68 meters tall, on the taller side of Armored Cores. But yeah, that feeling of fighting a massive fortress with just a (relatively) tiny Mech makes it all the more badass. And considering some of the gameplay trailers for VI, I wouldn't be surprised if we fought some of those massive machines shown in those trailers, especially that worm like machine.
I guess you could argue there is some souls influence like the focus on boss fights and the repair kits, but really at the end of the day it plays nothing like souls.
Techno version of Plin plin plon...That's a weird way of saying "Someone is Always Moving on The Surface." .... Oh, don't look at me like that, I know ACFA came out before DS1, but the songs are at least similar genre-wise. Both carry about the same weight. (Though it only plays in the League Route's final mission, but still.)
As I've said in other video: > Staggers to a degree have existed since the beginning > Hardlock is from 4/FA > Heals/ammo refills are from SL/LR > Kicking is from 5 lmao
None of those had butchered customization and 4 (FOUR) stats max in garage. None of those had that "infamous" turning animation, probably making picking your legs meaningless, and in terms of hardlock, sure it was in 4, but as soon as you got behind and enemy, it was disabled. You had to turn manually. It's absurdly loaded with quality of life things, that much its balancing on game is actually casualized, not filled with quality of life things. Armored Core was always somehow a struggle to control, that you have to master controls to be a good pilot, not hard lock, dash forward and kill with two melee slices. You've never played this series.
I couldn’t have agreed more. I myself am long time fan of the series and what you said is exactly what makes AC what it is. All of these new features where taken from the older games and mixed together with FromSoft’s universal mechanics to give you sample of what’s to come. I hope we can get a demo soon so old fans and newcomers can see for themselves the difference and stop bickering.
@@ubi5555 Okay, well you clearly didn't pay attention to the latest trailer. The lack of stats is a simplified view which still retains the hidden (extensive) stats page, as seen with the button prompts on the bottom edge of the screen. This has been a thing since literally AC1. Turning speeds still have meaningful differences, and hardlock itself is an OPTIONAL mechanic. Multiple types of FCS have already been confirmed to exist. QoL features do not themselves make a game "casualized", it is what the rest of the game does in response to those features. The older games did have legitimately bad game design decisions which simply wouldn't fly in the modern day. "You're never played this series". I have, and as a child I watched plenty of people play them. If FromSoftware - the company which created BOTH of these franchises - does not define AC6 as a Soulslike, then *it's not a fucking Soulslike*. Can't wait for this game to reach and surpass Last Raven in terms of cruelty, just to show that all of these features are a perfect excuse to massively raise the skill ceiling far above the rest of the series.
@@serraramayfield9230 I wait for same, mate. I'm worried because when you show something, in terms of marketing for a game, usually you show what you did the very best, the cream of your product and how its shining. Now we have been witnessed with a fucking Armored Core without a HUD, 4 stats, hard lock on with quick turning, "estus flasks", staggers mechanic and NO MUSIC FROM FREQUENCY whatsoever. It's pretty normal to be worried, for a fan of the series. I hope we all be drowning in a fun mecha game as Ravens when it will come out.
@@ubi5555 There's already been a reconstruction of the HUD shown off. Staggering has always been a part of AC albeit not with this iteration, however even so I find the ACS entirely logical. The music was confirmed to be from FreQuency via a FS employee at the SGF booth.
From what I see it's mostly about how some feel that the hard lock and repair kits will make the combat too easy, and the the checkpoint thing will make design strategy pointless. Tbh though, I think the context of the game itself matters a lot. If you added these features to say... armored core 3? Or 5? yeah, it would probably ruin the balance. But this game isn't those games, and we have very little context on how long missions will be or what sorts of objectives we'll have. I think a lot of them were just hoping for, and are expecting a shiny, nice looking version of the older games instead of something that takes that foundation and builds on it, evolving. Fromsoft has done a lot to earn trust from it's fanbase, and while it's been a bit devisive at times, I have faith they'll produce a satisfying experience. Let them finish the soup before you decide if you like it.
Tell me about it, those fans aren't asking "why". Why FROM is adding these into AC. They immediately jump to the most cynical interpretation. Something something one trick pony soulslike... When I saw those new mechanics, the first thing that came to mind is: "my mech's ass is toasted". Because FROM is going to balance all the stages and bosses with those in mind. What mechanical monstrosity are they cooking up that 3 instant heals are considered fair while expecting you to get send back to the garage at least once or twice for Plan B?!?!
@@davids7646 I was referring to people who are complaining about difficulty. If you feel different that's a whole different matter. And yes those people exist, otherwise I wouldn't have mentioned them.
I don't know man, people were saying the same thing about sekiro and the "immortality" mechanic. How wrong they were. I think the difficulty will significantly ramp up on this game and everything that they give us we'll need it.
People seem to forget that the Souls games took queues from AC...almost like developers tend to have common themes in their games...weird..Hell stamina-management came from AC.
@@Ekusu11 The V/VD enemy aesthetic is so badass. Player can look ike junkyard but the enemies can look like aliens. Hope some of it bleeds into AC6. Weirdest thing we saw was the sand worm. But I bet there's gonna be juicy stuff. At least I hope. I wonder if they're gonna do bioweapons/lifeforms like in the older games. Maybe there's something massive in Rubicon 3 that actually poops out Coral? Miyazaki was involved, after all.
There are certainly things that have me concerned, but then I remember from soft makes good games. So at best we get an awesome armored core game… at worst we get a really amazing from soft game. I trust they will balance the healing and checkpoints with hitting your credits hard at the mission results screen. Also I’m a little concerned about the lock on removing the point of a mechs maneuverability and turning capabilities. But it is possible that just because you can turn the camera fast doesn’t necessarily mean your ac will turn that fast
@@driftingwolf0 yea I’d say the biggest issues with 4 and FA were the length of missions and overall level design tending to be lack luster save for a few stand out mission. So I am very hopeful.
As long as it’s literally running on the same engine being made by the same team, being directed by the same guy, yes, it is a “souls” game, and just because some mechanics are renamed or disguised doesn’t change that.
So I was right. Everything that comes from Fromsoft will now be called a "Souls" game. So is everything from Nintendo a "Mario" game? They share quite a few directors and engines. Miyamoto certainly had a hand in directing just about every main series from the company. The Havok engine is also shared by a vast quantity of games, that's not exactly proof. Engines are highly customizable, they are only the bedrock the game runs on so to speak. It's not some plug and play you immediately pick up and all games that come from it are immediately the same. I get your overall point, but I don't see it as compelling evidence.
At first wasnt sure if id be interested in ac6 since I've never been a mech game kinda guy, but after seeing this gameplay I'm highly considering getting the game when it comes out. It looks so damn sleek and fun to play.
The consensus I see is that seeing as we're no longer battling against the controls, the challenge will come from the actual enemies themselves. As for repair kits, that just seems like something long needed. Now we can just repair during a long mission instead of having these 5 minute missions like in old games.
@Meh meth 4 answer had very, very strong soft lock. Which isn't a huge leap to hard lock. On top of that, you likely won't even want to use hard lock most of the time
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The feel of the combat is a big thing in AC and that yeet kick looks like it feels weighty and fluid, I took only positives from this demo, still curious about that expansion slot though? Primal Armour me thinks??? Radar, flares???... perhaps there is more than meets the eye and I'm excited about it.❤
1:13 All of these would actually be so cool to have tbh, acfa basically had leveling with the tuning, which was awesome, bloodstains to get your money back for the repairs after you died would be cool af too, they could have your previous ac all rusted, and when you get to it you get that money back, and reinforced weapons with updade materials would just add more depth to the game, imagine if the reason there are only two stats for weapons is because you have to alter your weapons damage type with some kind of material, like how there's lightning, magic, and fire damage in souls, they have like radiation which could he like poison adding a status effect, or heat could be added this way, heat dealing more stagger damage but less actual damage to ap, I guess i-frames would be the only thing out of place, but the other three would actually be pretty awesome. The only extra thing I could want is the destructible environment from ac4 and acfa.
I’m wondering if maybe they developed the game around these “new” mechanics like since there’s a hard lock on maybe it’s not always a good thing to use and can actually be a detriment to the player, imagine you’re hard locked onto an enemy but you have a swarm of other enemies attacking you from behind and the sides so you probably shouldn’t focus that one enemy at that moment and the game will reward the players that realize this by using the traditional lock system and taking advantage of that but hey that’s a big stretch coming from this indy game studio right?
My only issue going forward is whenever or not the gameplay feels like I'm piloting a mech or playing as the mech. It doesn't sound like much but in practice it's very fulfilling to experience when it's the former. The issue I feel is the game might take the reins on a bunch of things automatically which allows your mech to respond intuitively on its own as you were probably going to anyway, all the way up to advanced stuff like boost turning, which leans closer to the latter. Like it's the difference of *doing* it and just doing it on autopilot. I don't know how to articulate it better, so I hope that makes sense.
@@lesslighterI mean even in For Answer while you are hilariously faster than even Gundams You dont feel like a Human Robot, you feel like if a Train suddenly want to go offtrack and force itself to do whatever it wants
No it makes sense, though you are the first comment I've read about that point that wasn't hostile lol. I'm in your boat where I hope that not everything is automatic. I definitely feel you on the separation of being the mech versus piloting it. I think it's going to feel like both. You'll have more control than ever, but you'll have to take into account how your mech is built and its inherent limitations. At this point, the game is already made. So hopefully, even if it isn't everything that we want, we can still enjoy the ride.
For me I know that it’s genre isn’t souls-like but I’m just excited they are using what they learned from making souls to improve the armored core experience.
Not gonna lie, machine dragon does sound pretty cool, dare I say even metal. But I think that has already been done in the Armored Core series? (Verdict Day final boss)
I know right? As I was writing and editing it I had a strange want for a game that combines high fantasy with high sci fi. Like imagine if the Witcher thing happened, and monsters collided into our universe. Humanity's solution? GIANT MECHS.
@@VaulickTheCrow Yeah I thought Horizon was going to be that franchise but I'm still waiting sadly. I was also hoping Pacific Rim would have popped off harder. Giant monsters and Big Mecha are always going to be fun.
@@lesslighter That would be a pretty odd design choice considering in the gameplay reveal, we see the lightweight reverse joint AC dual wielding Laser Rifles so it's entirely possible that we can dual wield melee weapons in this generation just like in 4th and 5th Gen AC titles.
@@enricopaolocoronado2511 thing is some of the interviews already verified that blades will be left hand only in short 3rd gen unless weapon arms make a return and can slap in blade weapon arms
Anyone having problem with healing kit forgot that old AC games has repair station that is easily cheese-able to make your repair and ammo fee costs none at all
As a Armored Core 3 and Silent Line fan, i can confirm this And you GENUINELY NEED those Repair Tools for the long missions since you drain soo much Ammo and Health
@@indalecio539 yes and? Like Reno mentioned, those repair stations are only available in long missions, and AC6 aims to have longer missions than its predecessor Would you rather repair station which fully repair and restock your ammos while removing the repair and ammo fee if you can cheese it, or repair kit who might not heal your AC completely and might not restock your ammo for the new longer mission form?
I think, if anything, the new lock and melee combos, combined with the refined kicking, are going to make melee based ACs even more viable. I'm hyped for this one.
@@xAlundrax people figured out how to get multiplayer running on emulator. you need a free vpn that may or may not sell your data to russia though, so...
You spitting facts. The fact that all this is gatekeeping is because they are adding new mechanics to a series without a game in 15 years, is so stupid. Imagine whining about 3 mf healing kits
So first off - I said this in another video: The Hard Lock-On is something I don't like. Sure, I could do without repair kits and some more Co-Op action, but so far? Nothing seems 'Souls' like in this game. Armored Core has always been the grueling lone Mecha vs an Army Sized array of enemies being thrown your way for the sake of stopping your mission. That said, I'm hating how these people are complaining about it being a 'Souls-like' now. Stamina Gauge? Boosting has always been the means to get you from areas with precise platforming rather than 'running or dodging'. Dodge Mechanic? Bro, Quick Boosting was in AC4. Back in the old days, you had to MANUALLY dodge with boosting. 'Missiles are MAGIC'. ...S'cuse you? I'd like to see any spell carry the same weight as a 440m Grenade Launcher being shoved up your arse. Even then, this game is refined in combat, it has AC4's speed, AC3's fine tuning of weapons, and AC2's snapping of controls. AC5's Kicking Mechanic also is here, so everyone gets what they like. Hard lock and repair kits aside? I'm fine with the new Laser Blade Combo System and such. We also don't know if we can't Dual Blade yet - we'll find out soon enough. Don't lose hope my fellow Blade User. The days will return when we can bum rush our foes and cut them to ribbons once again!
The one funny thing I've seen "fans" complain about is how the apparent movement of 6th Gen ACs being too "human-like." Because apparently none of these bozos bothered reading up the lore of stuff like Human-PLUS, OP-INTENSIFY, and the Allegorical Manipulation System from 1st-2nd, 3rd, and 4th Gen, respectively. That, and I'm fairly certain that a *bipedal, humanoid* war machine from an advanced spacefaring civilization run by megacorporations can have a near 1:1 ratio of pilot to AC movement. Same with the supposed aiming and how it "takes away the need to get good in your skills." Because apparently an advanced war machine hailing from the far flung grimdark future must still use WW1-era aiming systems. Didn't realize the Warhammer 40K chuds are trying to insert their "superior" Imperial War Titan Legions knowledge here, now that I think about it. For legal reasons, this is a joke. Don't pull an Australia Human Rights Commission and take me to court.
As a fan of combat flight simulators I don't get the "I want to feel like I'm piloting the mech, not playing as the mech". Like, ok bud, I literally have to operate a 1/1 replica f18 cockpit and I still very much feel like I'm the plane, because that's how a good war machine should feel. Looking down And setting stuff up on the screens feels as natural as giving a quick glance to your phone notifications, not to mention that fighter jets don't really require much of that when in action. Really, they control way closer to a videogame jet than the stereotypical pilot flipping a bunch of switches trope, or even an IRL car. In short, to me it sounds more like people really liked their clunky controls and are being boomers about it.
@@npc6817 Yeah, the complaints basically just boil down to them not liking the changes being brought to the table. It's both amusing and sad at the same time.
0:55 Alright I’ll crack the omertà code here. Ever play a slow paced third person action RPG with a pulled back camera that pushed you towards learning block and parry patterns for bosses that just dish out meaty damage with every attack and cannot otherwise be staggered or stunned? THAT’S SOULSBOURNE BABY! Now maybe include a currency that doubles as an XP counter for upgrades and levels while also having drop on death and you’re set.
Technically, nearly all of From's games have run on the same game engine, with versions of Armored core being made on it before Souls was a twinkle in Miyazaki's evil eye. So you might say that Dark Souls has always been an Armored Core game. =\
But the point always was that it would have many elements of soulslikes, not that it would be one. And well, it does have a lot of that, undenyably. At the end of the day I really dont think this debate matters though since arguing over semantcis rarely has a point. I think that they took a lot of what the learn from soulslikes and applyed it to this game, and I think that it has many elements in it that people enjoy about soulslikes, while still being a AC game at its core. This is really all the matters...
it's silly to pretend that they didn't implement some of the things they learned from the Soulsborne series into AC6. I was actually expecting it and hoping for it. Epic boss battles and extremely detailed lore in particular. I still wish they made more interactions between Ravens so they can feel more like actual characters with unique personalities and histories.
Honestly when i heard about repair at first i didnt like the idea Specifically have a easy healing im not against the healing but honestly i was actually hoping they would have healing stations or pads or something the repair thing is find but they still could have adding healing in a different way that's not an easy 1 button heal but if they do add it then im perfectly fine with it other then that i truly love this new armored core and cant wait to play it and take it all in
Now I'm not sure how the repair kits is balanced in the balance sheet... get it... but if we assume 6th gen ACs are maxed out at 9999 AP x 3 repair kits = 30K total AP its still is pretty low for an AC of "current" generation but just imagine you having to pay down 30K for your repair costs on your first run... discounting the garage mid mission fees which you also have to pay if were going by ACV logic and the more you use it the more expensive it gets first its 15K, then next its +20-30K, next I think for 50-60K, I once nearly racked up a total fee of 1M in just using the garage mid missions in AC5
I mean, from how Stagger works in 6th Gen I think they are esentially reworking Primal Armor mechanic where you deffinitly going to take a LOT more Damage when you reach the Stagger point
@@RenoKyrie stagger is mixed 5th gen (getting more damge mult under that state) and heat of 3rd gen.... if we assume cooling is infact "rate at which you get out of stagger" like heat.... since we do not have yet a confirmation if heat is back
yeah... there is no Nine-ball in souls-like lul, and after i watch ze gameplay video over and over... its more like previous AC mechanic added to VI, which is cool (tho i can't use double Pile Bunker now)
@@MILDMONSTER1234 Having a camera lock isn't going to mean tracking is completely eliminated. Being able to SEE and REACT to missile's and then side boosting past them is still going to be possible. Anticipating a sniper shot coming from the air and boosting under it, then assault boosting into range will also be possible.
the reason why the hard camera lock-on is so massive and cannot be understated is because in every single AC entry besides, like, formula front where you don't have to play, you were required to aquire targets by aiming at them and locking them up, if you couldnt keep up with them, you could lose visual and they could end up behind you in an advantageous position. AC has always been more of a third person shooter than an action game. this style of lock is in nearly every action game and removes that specific skillset, it makes total sense to be worried about it because it is a fundemental difference.
@@riven5544 Gen 4 did have a hard lock called "auto-sighting" and it was nowhere near this strong, 6's is nigh unbreakable. in gen 4, if an enemy moved significantly outside your view fast enough, the lock would break. you can see that demonstrated here ua-cam.com/video/QmOTaCCn_IU/v-deo.html in everything we've seen so far, the lock seems to never ever lose track of the target and while FCS could affect the effectiveness of auto-sighting, it wouldnt be as effective as we're seeing in the gameplay footage for a starter AC, no way
@@thealliedpowers it is the same as AC4 because it was confirmed in this interview that i'll leave a link to but before i do let me say that you can't see what the player in the video is doing with his sight control. All the enemies in the demo were non-ac enemies that were not fast so it would not be hard to keep them in your line of sight. The only difference i see is that now if you keep the enemy in your line of sight your AC auto turns to face the enemy as oppose to previous titles were even if you kept the enemy in sight your AC wouldn't auto turn to face them. This means that if you are a tank build in AC6 fighting a light weight AC the lock will still break if the light weight zips out of your line of sight before you can follow with the camera. LINK: ua-cam.com/video/JIZQzqA0jy4/v-deo.html
@@maatstaf6399 There's nothing in the original transcript going into detail about the "hardness" of the lock nor is there any confirmation on if it can or cannot be broken, all we have is, "The hardlock has some sort of limit" and "You shouldn't think of this as coming from souls, but from AC4" this translation was done in real-time as the stream was happening, I was in the discord channel with the person translating it, who has very limited Japanese literacy by their own account and was also tired enough that they went to sleep immediately after. Not only that but the person being interviewed isn't a developer, they're just a freelance writer who saw the same footage as everyone else, that's from IGN's own description in the original stream. The stream you linked, the person who posted it, Shift, is not trustworthy. He argues in bad faith to those who disagree with him and only surrounds himself on stream with people he knows already agree with him, he's not interested in discussion. I think youtube auto-censors my comments if I quote him directly but he has said stuff in the discord that really shows his kind of character. He's ultimately no better than the gatekeepers he's so adamantly against.
Meme all you want it doesn't change the fact that if this wasn't that big an issue then multiple armored core tubers wouldn't be covering it so extensively. face it this isnt og armored core its meckiro and its weird that people don't want to admit what's being shown, interviews are not enough to prove that the systems in play to placate the souls audience more than it does the armored core audience.
Such a strange take to have. Some people were already complaining. So responses are being made. So the responses are proof of what? The validity of the complaints? So in a roundabout, one could say circular fashion, the complaints themselves are the proof? Because responding to them instantly proves them? But no one would be responding if the complaints weren't made? Circular logic dude.
@@VaulickTheCrow calm down ben shipiro its not like there's any hidden meaning to the overall topic. its a real problem and the naysayers are acting like criticism of this game isnt allowed, toxic positivity is putting gaming into a shallow grave so all this bull about how this game is the same as older armored core is just placation at best and cope at worst
@@MrSolidsnake293 It isn't the same. It's not even the same between prior generations. The argument is that Armored Core has not disappeared. It's immutable essence, still persists despite the changes. You are also absolutely allowed to criticize the game as you see fit, and I am allowed to criticize your criticism as I see fit. It sounds more like you just want to spout off and just "be right". No one is saying you can't criticize whatever you want, they just aren't agreeing with your criticisms my dude. That's not the same thing Mr. Persecution complex. I also call out the logical fallacy because well... it was partially the crux of your argument. Plus, it's not exactly a smart way to go about thinking or arguing. You gotta actually prove what your talking about is to be taken seriously. You can literally "prove" anything with circular logic. It's meaningless proof. Relying on "my point is right because it's right" serves no one.
@@VaulickTheCrow when you and other tubers instigate the concept of meming on arguments peoplehave your criticism argument falls apart. Your not here to criticize your here to be a comedian and your video and words prove that whole sale nothing will ever be right because unless someone has following as big as you or someone else their opinion falls on deaf ears or like you have done gets memed instead of addressing it realistically as a problem. I've got nothing left to say to you on this as this has happened with multiple games and all of them barely survive due to being slapped on game pass or being put on sale regularly to keep a player base. Old armored core may have been neich and died but that's more on the developers and publishers mistreating the series and tech limitations more than anything else.
@@MrSolidsnake293 Dude, you gotta take time and format your replies, maybe spell check a little bit. That's pretty hard on the eyes. I suppose it doesn't matter since you said you wouldn't respond but... yeesh. I can be a comedian and I can make coherent arguments. Not mutually exclusive. I've made no appeals to populism, I'm also a small YTuber. It's just us here in this little comment chain. I've left the floor open for a coherent argument, I've not memed you specifically. Even if I've made light of the overall debate. Instead of coming up with rational arguments, you just keep poisoning the well by somehow insisting I've poisoned the well before we ever began. Like you tripped yourself in a field and it's somehow someone else's fault. Then a cry to anecdotal evidence with "multiple games" this has happened too and somehow this implies the Armored Core game will bomb because they didn't make Verdict Day Part 2. We are done though. I get it, you want to scream into the void and throw a fit instead of actually discussing it. Well the game is how it is, it's already been made. You can enjoy it like everybody else, or you can wallow in Armored Core purist purgatory. Your choice man.
It is much more souls than armored core they removed: - Extensions - Optional Parts - Internal parts - Weapon arms - Various stats (RIP the head's use) - Turn speed (It was necessary to balance tank legs) - aiming boxes (necessary to allow stuff like flanking & dodging attacks, auto lock on ruins the game) - Most mission expenses - Fail-able missions (ie they aren't supposed to come back) & they added souls inspired junk or ruined things: - Homogenized parts (No reason to not just use tank legs) - sekiro stagger bar (no reason to change build all that much since stagger is such a big factor) - Patterned bossed (with healthpools so large that if you aren't using stagger builds you can't even play the game; rip creative freedom) - Added heals - Added lockon button akin to DS lockon - Added punch without weapons - Added checkpoints / garage before bosses / retrying - Dodge button While I would've been fine with the additions if they didn't corrupt the AC gameplay the sad fact is the game is more MechaSouls than it is Armored Core, there is none of the core gameplay elements you could find in something like AC3, AC3 Silent Line, & AC3 Last Raven, & immersion & gameplay is ruined. It can still be called a fun game but I'd hesitate to call AC6 a proper Armored Core as it fits mecha souls better. It is by no means the genre tag "souls-like" but it is the most souls like AC game to date, it hardly resembles Armored Core.
Having S ranked every mission in the game, I gotta disagree with a few of your points. Viable build diversity is still pretty damn high, I've crafted a myriad of mechs without even having touched tank legs yet. Personal favorite being the reverse joints. Leg choice feels more impactful than it ever did. Fail-able missions look great on paper, until you realize it's just a reload and retry-fest. Unfortunately the same for mission expenses. I think they should have been re-worked (essentially just use the constant auto-save present in the Souls games to prevent any cheese), but hey what are you doing to do. I do dislike some of the overall streamlining of stats and I do miss weapon arms. Hopefully they'll eventually make a comeback. Stagger was always present in all AC games, though not to this level of course. We just have the bar now. This feels a lot more manageable compared to older titles where you could get effectively stun-locked by constant weapon fire. "Dodge button" has been with us since quick boosts became a thing, it's not new to AC by a longshot. Turn speed went out the window in relevance when boosting became much more omni-present. From 4 on you pretty much had to quick turn everything. No reason the AC can't punch when you don't have a weapon. Should have been able to do that earlier honestly. I'm on the fence for hard lock. I basically never used it the entire game. I've also found it pretty easy to mess with other people using it. I think the game is actually easier if you learn to not use it, which I believe was the intent. If that was the intent though, they probably should have just ditched it to begin with. The heals really don't matter when you match up actual AP values from prior games. You end up with essentially the same AP values, the difference being now that if you aren't careful you can get own-zoned before you can use a repair kit. If anything this change made the game more difficult. I really enjoyed the bosses, it was nice to see that ACs were not the end all be all of combat devices in the universe. You could also circumvent their "patterned" nature by weaving in and out of attacks and outmaneuvering. So while they did have some patterned attacks, it felt much better than just battling a shitload of ACs for every single hard mission. In all the prior games as well, you could just strap on some massive grenade launchers and effectively cheese the entire game like you can in AC 6 with tank treads. That's basically always been true. Branch out if you want to have a bit more fun. I don't care about retrying before a boss or at a midpoint, it really just takes out the tedium. You also can't use it if you're going for S-ranks. Now I do miss the radar gameplay versus the scans, I miss double blading, I miss having flares to get rid of missiles, I miss needing to quick turn... etc, etc. But all in all, it still feels very Armored Core to me, just a natural evolution. I say that having played just about all of them. It's just a lot cleaner and a lot of the "clunk" is gone. This a great template that they can use to rebuild the series, and eventually add some of the complexity back in now that they know the series will sell. We're also comparing apples to oranges here. Comparing this to AC3 is a fool's errand. A lot of choices they made with early Armored Core titles was just straight up due to the weaker technology and lack of advancements in gaming conventions they had to deal with. I think even if you had that same team, with today's technology and conventions, you'd have a very, very different game. So, I gotta say I heartily disagree. It's not just Mechasouls to me. It's a proper Armored Core, where I both feel like the pilot AND the mech this time around. Like any suitably advanced technology would eventually warrant. I mean, you aren't piloting some clunky tank thing.
@@VaulickTheCrow While some good points I got to say I missed things. While yes enemies could be cheesed in the old games they were by no mean the only option or practically require to beat an enemy, I would challenge you to run through the game without any stagger-oriented equipment so you can realize just how reliant the game is on it for stuff like bosses & their absurd health pools that might as well make each boss fight feel like Slave Knight Gale with guns. They also made it that you can replay missions (or so I am told) which used to be an end game feature again ruining the scarcity of credits & ruining the incentive to run energy based or low cost equipment to rake in more money. Music is by far the worst in the series with even the generations I didn't like having better tracks (IE AC6 only has like 3 good tracks and the rest might as well be whitenoise / background noise). Missions also from what I have seen thus far seem far more of a run past the minions to get to the boss kind of mission setup than actually having any interesting non-boss enemies, or objectives at least from what I have seen thus far. "We're also comparing apples to oranges here. Comparing this to AC3 is a fool's errand." And exactly why quite a few fans are unsatisfied with the latest "Armored Core" which I feel ought to just call itself something else at this point, because it forsakes so much of the style & gameplay of everything that led up to it in favor of its "more profitable" siblings in soulsbornekiroring. All I am saying is that there is a significant enough difference in gameplay between AC gens 1-3 & AC Gen ~4-6 that it might as well be a different franchise at this point. If this is really where they want to move Armored Core I get the message & I am moving on to other pastures, but if they are trying at all to accommodate old fans the lack of depth in customization & the bastardization of the series in purposefully dragging in Soulsbornekiroring mechanics for the purpose of pleasing the other fanbase does not paint the game in a desirable light imo. I could have forgiven it had it been a spin-off but for them to advertise the game as being a return to form & for the old fans it disappoints. I wouldn't mind innovation but AC1-3 might as well be a different series from AC 4-6 with how things are handled. I just wish & hope they'd be willing to remaster the old games if they aren't willing to give us a new entry that honors the old games styles.
My BIGGEST hope is the return of Armored Core will spike an interest in mecha styled games because finding one that feels really good is quite hard(at least on console). Like Titanfall 3 could compete and i would love to see a Gundam game with better feels and graphics gundam evolution was fun for a little but the poor balancing of mobile suits got really freaking annoying and i liked GBO2(wish graphics weren't like PS2) but the way melee combat felt was pure punishment with its dumb immune phase that is pointless when you got knocked by three guys just to try to run away with broken legs just get ganked again. MechWarrior is a nice opposite in terms of flow when you compare it to armored core... I miss Lost planet 2 Co-op with friends supporting each other
lmao I hope VaatiVidya sees this. Hes spent the last few months performing Olympic level mental gymnastics to try justify retroactively labeling pretty much the entire series as "sOuLSlIkE". I wish the souls kiddies would just stay in their lane and let us enjoy AC for what it is.
If energy is not stamina like in souls, imagine carrying multiple fuel to power energy. Energy regeneration is not a thing, you need to burn fuel or recharge. People will always find things to complain about these days.
Souls Game is a difficult game if you're not used to it. Maybe that fear is what Armored Core fans don't want. As long as Miyazaki is involved in the project nothing is easy.
I'd actually say souls games are difficult if you're not overleveled. I have countless hours in ds3 and the end game on my sl1 run after thousands of hours was still pretty challenging. While many can do it and no hit it, it still requires perfection in some fights. People can only do that after countless hours of practice.
Bro what? If you've been a long running fan of FS and play AC there's a very good chance you've played Souls games as well. The same can't be said vice versa, also none are strangers to difficulty lol. Also Miyazaki LITERALLY directed 4/4A
Games can have souls like elements (its the same dev after all) and not be a soulslike. People, and a few AC vets, seem unable to grasp or accept this.
I'm firmly against calling it a soulslike as people have used the term to describe elements that has pre-existed in the Armored Core series and gaming as a whole before boxing them into a souls sphere if it is used in future games. I have to wonder if people would be calling the VD boss in a random desert inspired by radahn or something if release times had placed VD at peak souls series popularity. I remember the original IGN interview where they said they wouldn't be moving toward souls series gameplay, but under people's current understanding of what soulslike means and claims in videos, wouldn't that mean they already contradicted themselves in the very same interview by talking about stagger and repair kits? The obvious answer is that the interviewees didn't see this as a souls derived element. Note that does even containing these elements mean that using these "souls elements" = like souls = soulslike? Or does one use a more purist interpretation where "soulslike" designates a difficult slow methodical ARPG with a stamina system where you find a variety of items over a large map and use a bonfire checkpoint system? How does the public interpret this if they see a headline claiming this is a soulslike? What expectation does the average player who has never heard of Armored Core carry when they hear this? I lean toward them imagining it's more of the latter instead of having a more componently influenced based form considering the amount of people I've seen expecting you to be piloting a scavenger based robot to actually be Elden Core when the original trailer hit.
One of the "major mechanics" of a souls-game is losing all your currency when you die, I haven't seen or heard anything about that being in AC6. So this awesome looking upcoming game just seems like a new AC with a few improvements from some of the minor mechanics of Demons Souls to Elden Ring. This first experience of AC should be cool for many others and me.
It's definitely going to draw in a lot of newcomers, myself included. It would be like how monster hunter blew up in popularity after being a niche title for so long.
@@Ashingda Indeed, some friends got me into Monster Hunter World and Iceborne, and now I'm playing Rise with them. So some newer games will draw in interested people that are new to the game or series; instead of gatekeeping we should invite those who are interested.
"Souls like" games all took mechanics from other games. Are they not "like" other games. Is it there fault they seemingly not only perfected it but also evolved it into more perfection?
this armored core seems to be the easiest i mean theres no radar and thats why we got hard lock on and the simulation aspect its out of the window its basically armored core for the masses and easier.
5th gen had no radar which introduced scan mode, and V is what I argued to be easy same goes most likely for AC6 but when the .5 itteration comes out it will be very different much like how V and VD are very distinct
It clearly is! i played alot of 3rd 4th and 5th gen to know an armored core game when i see one and played ds 1 2 3, bloodborne and elden ring too so i can definitely say what is dark souls and what is armored core and through all the experience ive had along my fromsoft fanboy life i can 100% say this is in fact armored core to its core.
@@redglint6451 The fact that these videos are coming out is pure and the most clear evidence that there is something clearly wrong with "core" of this game. Why there isn't a single video about Zelda is an Elden Ring clone, or RE4 Remake is not Dark Souls somehow. Because they aren't. Now this has so much similarities its actually insane and such thing should not have place in Armored Core game.
There was quite a few complaints from the older generation of Zelda players that BoTW and ToTK stray too far from the original though. People have made comparisons between Souls and Zelda. I'm also a part of that old generation for Zelda players, and while I miss some aspects of the old design, the new design scratches a completely new itch. It's also less a departure from the very original Legend of Zelda for the NES, but not many people have played that. These videos pop up as disputation to an ongoing conversation that's already happening. Implying that these videos are "proof" that something is wrong, given their reaction based nature, is saying that the fact that anyone is complaining at all is proof and the proof is that people are complaining. That circular logic, dawg. At the end of the day, I trust Fromsoft to follow through. They haven't let me down yet.
Im going to be pissed if ac6 gets review bombed by new first time soulsborne players that started at Elden Ring. This is Armored Core. If you want to know what it will be like then watch vids of the last 6 games ffs. The AC fans already know whats up.
they are the same in senses that matter and will change how a game feels when you are controlling the character how are you so dense you cant see that lol?
Can anyone say "strawman?"....no one said they 'look' the same. Let me simplify it. It would be like taking an FPS game and making it into a third person shooter. How royally pissed would they have a right to be if that happened. By changing the turning speeds, camera being free, and the lock on, it changes the meta to a totally different engine experience 'likening it' to Souls (as that is FROM's closest titles to this). But, you could liken it to any other engine in that family/species. The strawmen being presented are getting annoying.
@@VaulickTheCrow After your "jackassing around" at the point where you got 'serious' as it were, you went into the discussion about how these videos look different (and that the proposition that they look similar is ridiculous). No getting around it, you entertained the argument as if it were an actual serious argument on the table. Maybe, who knows, some dumb ass somewhere, might have actually tried to say that AC6 would "look similar." But in the list of arguments we should take seriously, the fact that you picked that one, IS you attacking a strawman. Even if we apply charity to what you are saying, and say "well, what does a Soulslike game" mean?, and attack the endless ambiguity of that question (as you've done rather well), it 'obviously' (in light of the facts) ignores the real argument being made. Maybe before the game was released, where it was speculative in what ways there might be overlap, the concerns would run wild. But it is confirmed that it departs from AC in a way that is radically different engine-wise, which strikes to the very core of Armored Core players values e.g. a big reason they even play the game, the culture that surrounds that, the values....funny, you didn't address that....I wonder why?
@@ex0gen I didn't address it for the simple reason that while I have played and enjoyed the older titles, somewhat extensively. I was never really a part of the AC "community". So I can't speak to their values or concerns. Especially as that community has become insanely niche and borderline insular over the lack of consistent releases. People like things they are familiar with, and the AC elitists are VERY familiar with the older titles now. Without a regular injection of new blood every once in a while, any change that wasn't literally Verdict Day Part 2 would have resulted in an uproar just due to stagnation. The entire point of this video, is to make light of a debate that is being taken too seriously. It's a video game, and at the end of the day, Fromsoft has the final say on what is and what isn't Armored Core. Furthermore, I trust them with that decision. We may play it, but they fucking MADE it. Most AC games are vastly different from one another, this one will be no different. I think the immutable essence of AC will remain intact, despite the pain of raising a series from the grave. Or would you had rather it stay dead instead of taking the risk of some innovations? There are also only straw men to attack. People are being ridiculous. We're living completely in the land of speculation, nothing is "confirmed". Until we get the game in our hands, none of us knows how it will turn out. You can speculate negatively or positively, but there is no reason for a group of adults to be THIS upset over all this speculation. Misgivings? Sure, but the gameplay reveal has generated some real vitriol. You want to be upset when the game releases? Sure. Or hell, don't support it. Just don't buy the game. A heavily stripped down gameplay trailer does not equal a release. The game is already made though, these last 2 months will just be them cleaning up what's already there. Also, I wasn't just pointing to aesthetics in regards to them "looking similar". But even the moment to moment gameplay. The undercurrent of the argument has been that Armored Core is getting ripped apart and replaced with basically all Souls mechanics. That literally IS the argument coming from most who oppose. Regardless, while it is nice debating with someone who is actually trying to stick to the points (I read and respond through a lot of comments, it's rarer than you would really think), I do genuinely have other stuff to do. Nice talking to you, hopefully we both end up getting what we want out of this game.
@@VaulickTheCrow I will try to be concise. 1. The "community" isn't entirely the point here, even though it was mentioned, in regards to the issue of 'values.' Without going into too much detail on that, just to retort, one might be an isolated AC player, but still share in those "values", given that they are linked to how the game has been designed since the beginning, an din every iteration since. Framing it as "elite" or "purist" is a deflectionary, by attempting to deflate the importance of the issue. The importance of the issue is 'as understandable' as an FPS being switched to a third person shooter - there is no way to counter that argument. It's a radical engine shift, so fans of the series not wanting it isn't somehow a case of obstinance or elitism or w/e. The size of the market is irrelevant to that, and both kinds of game engines have been around for decades (invalidating the argument that this is about progress of improvements in technology). 2. The argument from speculation is a red herring. We are not talking about what we don't know. We are talking about what we do know. The fact that there is a strong auto-aim has been confirmed (have you seen the actual press release that just came out in follow up?). And the turning speeds were evidenced from the gameplay, as was the independent camera movement. That's definitive, we don't need to speculate on what has been falsified already. I understand you have other stuff to do. But your points are fallacious. 3. Bottom line: Everyone is entitled to their preferences. No one ever disagreed about that. The side that calls us "babies, elites, purists, unwilling to change" etc, IS build on fallacious and misrepresents what is being said. Misrepresentation and a lack of charity is ALWAYS a sign of malicious intent. For contrast, this would have been squashed if the response was "we get it, its like if the Call of Duty game engine became Monster Hunter game engine" of course you would be displeased. No one has to buy it. Right! But, the idea that people ought to shut up and not voice thier displeasure when they've waited so long for a title and supported the series literally since FROM was a dipshit company, is frankly insulting. If you can't see that, you ARE the one causing the strife here. Period.
Honestly I don't care much about what everybody's worried about, I love Hack n' Slash games and AC at the same time and now AC6 looks like everything that I like all at once. I'm loving everything I saw, and I'm one of the Raven fossils still alive and kicking xD There's not only Action game DNA in that AC6 gameplay, but also some Japanese Arcadeness in the movements, if you ever played any Action Arcade game before then you probably noticed it in the melee attacks! and still, STILL there's WEIGHT in everything which is what was missing from DxM way back and made that hella boring to play for me.
My favorite part about the gameplay is that reverse joint legs don’t look stupid anymore
since ac4 they didnt looked stupid anymore
Very subjective but i personally think they look good in 4th gen
They have always been the coolest legs
My personal favorite here as well
Now I'm interested in recreating 04-ALICIA from ACFA
Ive been binge watching so many AC6 videos these last few days, both positive and negative takes, but this vid has been my favourite thus far. I wish to aspire to this level of meme usage in my videos 😂
You've earned my subscription❤
On the Machine Mimic and Dragon part
May i remind you Bio Weapons are a thing in Armored Core? 😂
Kisaragi can casually make Plasma Shooting Spiders
The entire Disorder Unit species in AC2
Also the Droideka Unit looked like it was actually being a Mimic
But screw Dragons, i want to fight a Bio Mechanical Space Whale
What about a bio mechanical megalodon?
Honestly, with how the Coral in ACVI seemed to have burned out a star, I wouldn't be surprised if ACVI would have us fight a giant mechanical space station powered up by all the Coral in the star system.
@@enricopaolocoronado2511 I mean this is Fromsoftware, they really like Giant Boss Fights
Have you SEEN how massive Motherwill was? They are like 200x larger than a Armored Core, the most common size AC are like around 7 Meter(Mostly in 5th Gen), 10 Meter(3rd, some NEXT, and 6th Gen), and the Tallest are 15 Meter Tall NEXT's
In comparison to Suits from Gundam, the average AC's are smaller than Ball
HOWEVER, the average speed of AC's hilariously enough are over 400+km/hour while most Gundams top at like 300 km/hour
And NEXT gets more ridicilous with going beyond 1000 km/hour
@@RenoKyrie True. Although, I did see the model kit that comes with the ACVI preorder which comes in at 19cm. Assuming it's still at the 1/72 scale, it's around 13.68 meters tall, on the taller side of Armored Cores.
But yeah, that feeling of fighting a massive fortress with just a (relatively) tiny Mech makes it all the more badass. And considering some of the gameplay trailers for VI, I wouldn't be surprised if we fought some of those massive machines shown in those trailers, especially that worm like machine.
Cannot wait to use my soulslike flying and boosting while firing my souls machinegun at the enemy soul mechs.
I’m all for fighting a machine dragon.
Like literally, everyone complaining about it being souls like. Im here appreciating ALL iterations of armored core becoming one.
Basically sums up my feelings when someone tries to tell me a game is "souls-like," or has "Souls-mechanics."
If we are being honest, they aren't the first to do it.
I guess you could argue there is some souls influence like the focus on boss fights and the repair kits, but really at the end of the day it plays nothing like souls.
Techno version of Plin plin plon...That's a weird way of saying "Someone is Always Moving on The Surface."
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Oh, don't look at me like that, I know ACFA came out before DS1, but the songs are at least similar genre-wise. Both carry about the same weight. (Though it only plays in the League Route's final mission, but still.)
it's Armored Core 6 And Nothing Else.
the *Souls Cult* Had Me really Tired.
I cant stop rolling on the floor.
As I've said in other video:
> Staggers to a degree have existed since the beginning
> Hardlock is from 4/FA
> Heals/ammo refills are from SL/LR
> Kicking is from 5
lmao
None of those had butchered customization and 4 (FOUR) stats max in garage. None of those had that "infamous" turning animation, probably making picking your legs meaningless, and in terms of hardlock, sure it was in 4, but as soon as you got behind and enemy, it was disabled. You had to turn manually. It's absurdly loaded with quality of life things, that much its balancing on game is actually casualized, not filled with quality of life things. Armored Core was always somehow a struggle to control, that you have to master controls to be a good pilot, not hard lock, dash forward and kill with two melee slices.
You've never played this series.
I couldn’t have agreed more. I myself am long time fan of the series and what you said is exactly what makes AC what it is. All of these new features where taken from the older games and mixed together with FromSoft’s universal mechanics to give you sample of what’s to come. I hope we can get a demo soon so old fans and newcomers can see for themselves the difference and stop bickering.
@@ubi5555
Okay, well you clearly didn't pay attention to the latest trailer.
The lack of stats is a simplified view which still retains the hidden (extensive) stats page, as seen with the button prompts on the bottom edge of the screen. This has been a thing since literally AC1.
Turning speeds still have meaningful differences, and hardlock itself is an OPTIONAL mechanic.
Multiple types of FCS have already been confirmed to exist.
QoL features do not themselves make a game "casualized", it is what the rest of the game does in response to those features.
The older games did have legitimately bad game design decisions which simply wouldn't fly in the modern day.
"You're never played this series". I have, and as a child I watched plenty of people play them.
If FromSoftware - the company which created BOTH of these franchises - does not define AC6 as a Soulslike, then *it's not a fucking Soulslike*.
Can't wait for this game to reach and surpass Last Raven in terms of cruelty, just to show that all of these features are a perfect excuse to massively raise the skill ceiling far above the rest of the series.
@@serraramayfield9230 I wait for same, mate. I'm worried because when you show something, in terms of marketing for a game, usually you show what you did the very best, the cream of your product and how its shining. Now we have been witnessed with a fucking Armored Core without a HUD, 4 stats, hard lock on with quick turning, "estus flasks", staggers mechanic and NO MUSIC FROM FREQUENCY whatsoever. It's pretty normal to be worried, for a fan of the series. I hope we all be drowning in a fun mecha game as Ravens when it will come out.
@@ubi5555 There's already been a reconstruction of the HUD shown off.
Staggering has always been a part of AC albeit not with this iteration, however even so I find the ACS entirely logical.
The music was confirmed to be from FreQuency via a FS employee at the SGF booth.
Whats so weird about the argument is that "it looks like dark souls" is used both by detractors and supporters of the changes
Nostalgia nutters view it as a bad thing while soulboys view it as a good thing
It literally means nothing at this point.
From what I see it's mostly about how some feel that the hard lock and repair kits will make the combat too easy, and the the checkpoint thing will make design strategy pointless.
Tbh though, I think the context of the game itself matters a lot. If you added these features to say... armored core 3? Or 5? yeah, it would probably ruin the balance. But this game isn't those games, and we have very little context on how long missions will be or what sorts of objectives we'll have.
I think a lot of them were just hoping for, and are expecting a shiny, nice looking version of the older games instead of something that takes that foundation and builds on it, evolving. Fromsoft has done a lot to earn trust from it's fanbase, and while it's been a bit devisive at times, I have faith they'll produce a satisfying experience.
Let them finish the soup before you decide if you like it.
Tell me about it, those fans aren't asking "why". Why FROM is adding these into AC. They immediately jump to the most cynical interpretation. Something something one trick pony soulslike...
When I saw those new mechanics, the first thing that came to mind is: "my mech's ass is toasted". Because FROM is going to balance all the stages and bosses with those in mind. What mechanical monstrosity are they cooking up that 3 instant heals are considered fair while expecting you to get send back to the garage at least once or twice for Plan B?!?!
its not about the difficulty its about direction
@@davids7646 I was referring to people who are complaining about difficulty. If you feel different that's a whole different matter. And yes those people exist, otherwise I wouldn't have mentioned them.
I don't know man, people were saying the same thing about sekiro and the "immortality" mechanic. How wrong they were.
I think the difficulty will significantly ramp up on this game and everything that they give us we'll need it.
Salute to this guy took the words right out of my mouth o7
People seem to forget that the Souls games took queues from AC...almost like developers tend to have common themes in their games...weird..Hell stamina-management came from AC.
Yup, and slow methodical weapon animations in Souls came from King's Field. Which actually had an attack speed bar beneath your health.
Ac will punish you when your energy run out
@@abeeocta2599 True, but so does souls, just in a different way.
It all boils down to "NEW THING BAD!"
6:26 ngl fighting a machine dragon in a mech DOES sound cool
I mean whe had the Scavenger in V they are kinda dragons
well more dinosaur like to be fair but close enough imo xD
@@Ekusu11 The V/VD enemy aesthetic is so badass. Player can look ike junkyard but the enemies can look like aliens. Hope some of it bleeds into AC6. Weirdest thing we saw was the sand worm. But I bet there's gonna be juicy stuff. At least I hope.
I wonder if they're gonna do bioweapons/lifeforms like in the older games. Maybe there's something massive in Rubicon 3 that actually poops out Coral? Miyazaki was involved, after all.
There are certainly things that have me concerned, but then I remember from soft makes good games. So at best we get an awesome armored core game… at worst we get a really amazing from soft game. I trust they will balance the healing and checkpoints with hitting your credits hard at the mission results screen. Also I’m a little concerned about the lock on removing the point of a mechs maneuverability and turning capabilities. But it is possible that just because you can turn the camera fast doesn’t necessarily mean your ac will turn that fast
The fact that healing and checkpoints are in the game at all should say a lot about the scale of this game.
@@driftingwolf0 yea I’d say the biggest issues with 4 and FA were the length of missions and overall level design tending to be lack luster save for a few stand out mission. So I am very hopeful.
As long as it’s literally running on the same engine being made by the same team, being directed by the same guy, yes, it is a “souls” game, and just because some mechanics are renamed or disguised doesn’t change that.
So I was right. Everything that comes from Fromsoft will now be called a "Souls" game.
So is everything from Nintendo a "Mario" game? They share quite a few directors and engines. Miyamoto certainly had a hand in directing just about every main series from the company.
The Havok engine is also shared by a vast quantity of games, that's not exactly proof. Engines are highly customizable, they are only the bedrock the game runs on so to speak. It's not some plug and play you immediately pick up and all games that come from it are immediately the same.
I get your overall point, but I don't see it as compelling evidence.
Was started by Miyazaki but passed to Okamura? mid way hence why we have LYNX pilots to an extent back or at least are Human Plus to a certain extent
At first wasnt sure if id be interested in ac6 since I've never been a mech game kinda guy, but after seeing this gameplay I'm highly considering getting the game when it comes out. It looks so damn sleek and fun to play.
I think the very thing they hated the most are the repair kit and hard lock.
I think there's still a strong chance that those can be incorporated well without destroying what Armored Core is.
The consensus I see is that seeing as we're no longer battling against the controls, the challenge will come from the actual enemies themselves. As for repair kits, that just seems like something long needed. Now we can just repair during a long mission instead of having these 5 minute missions like in old games.
@Meh meth 4 answer had very, very strong soft lock. Which isn't a huge leap to hard lock. On top of that, you likely won't even want to use hard lock most of the time
@@KoAkaiTengami I would way rather have longer more complex missions with chances to repair, than 1-4min missions over and over
Those two things are optional, you can make a play without ever using either of them so what's the problem if someone else wants to use it.
I've LOVE the Gundam Series and Mechs and was hoping for a genuine awesome Mecha game and I'm literally so excited for AC6 after seeing the gameplay!
Armored core was Git Gud before Souls existed.
If dodging, healing, and big bosses is all it takes for a game to be a souls-like then fucking terraria is a souls-like.
Terraria is easily in my Top 5 video games, now I know why. It was beside me all along, my guiding Soulslike.
Don't forget Another Century's Episode: Portable, another great Souls-like by FromSoftware and Super Robot Wars company, featuring -Dante from Devil May Cry series- Wing Gundam Zero (EW) from Gundam Wing Endless Waltz 👍
Undertale is my favourite soulslike
The feel of the combat is a big thing in AC and that yeet kick looks like it feels weighty and fluid, I took only positives from this demo, still curious about that expansion slot though? Primal Armour me thinks??? Radar, flares???... perhaps there is more than meets the eye and I'm excited about it.❤
1:13 All of these would actually be so cool to have tbh, acfa basically had leveling with the tuning, which was awesome, bloodstains to get your money back for the repairs after you died would be cool af too, they could have your previous ac all rusted, and when you get to it you get that money back, and reinforced weapons with updade materials would just add more depth to the game, imagine if the reason there are only two stats for weapons is because you have to alter your weapons damage type with some kind of material, like how there's lightning, magic, and fire damage in souls, they have like radiation which could he like poison adding a status effect, or heat could be added this way, heat dealing more stagger damage but less actual damage to ap, I guess i-frames would be the only thing out of place, but the other three would actually be pretty awesome. The only extra thing I could want is the destructible environment from ac4 and acfa.
Short Answer: No
Longer Answer: No, but longer.
I’m wondering if maybe they developed the game around these “new” mechanics like since there’s a hard lock on maybe it’s not always a good thing to use and can actually be a detriment to the player, imagine you’re hard locked onto an enemy but you have a swarm of other enemies attacking you from behind and the sides so you probably shouldn’t focus that one enemy at that moment and the game will reward the players that realize this by using the traditional lock system and taking advantage of that but hey that’s a big stretch coming from this indy game studio right?
My only issue going forward is whenever or not the gameplay feels like I'm piloting a mech or playing as the mech.
It doesn't sound like much but in practice it's very fulfilling to experience when it's the former. The issue I feel is the game might take the reins on a bunch of things automatically which allows your mech to respond intuitively on its own as you were probably going to anyway, all the way up to advanced stuff like boost turning, which leans closer to the latter.
Like it's the difference of *doing* it and just doing it on autopilot. I don't know how to articulate it better, so I hope that makes sense.
In lore since you are neurally linked to the AC much like AC4-ACfA you are playing as the mech
@@lesslighterI mean even in For Answer while you are hilariously faster than even Gundams
You dont feel like a Human Robot, you feel like if a Train suddenly want to go offtrack and force itself to do whatever it wants
@@RenoKyrie or a jet
No it makes sense, though you are the first comment I've read about that point that wasn't hostile lol.
I'm in your boat where I hope that not everything is automatic. I definitely feel you on the separation of being the mech versus piloting it. I think it's going to feel like both. You'll have more control than ever, but you'll have to take into account how your mech is built and its inherent limitations.
At this point, the game is already made. So hopefully, even if it isn't everything that we want, we can still enjoy the ride.
For me I know that it’s genre isn’t souls-like but I’m just excited they are using what they learned from making souls to improve the armored core experience.
Not gonna lie, machine dragon does sound pretty cool, dare I say even metal. But I think that has already been done in the Armored Core series? (Verdict Day final boss)
Its not souls design its a fromsoftwere design
Souls games borrowed alot of elements from ac its just now its reversed
ok...i know you were joking but im all down for a mechadragon boss fight no matter what anyone else says.
I know right? As I was writing and editing it I had a strange want for a game that combines high fantasy with high sci fi.
Like imagine if the Witcher thing happened, and monsters collided into our universe. Humanity's solution? GIANT MECHS.
@@VaulickTheCrow Yeah I thought Horizon was going to be that franchise but I'm still waiting sadly. I was also hoping Pacific Rim would have popped off harder. Giant monsters and Big Mecha are always going to be fun.
Oh god Ur actually making sense it can be done
i am praying that we will be able to do a pure melee build, it was so much fun in for answer
You will need to drop your right hand slots to empty since melee is stuck to the left arm slot like AC1-LR
@@lesslighter we don't know for sure if that's the case yet
@@lesslighter That would be a pretty odd design choice considering in the gameplay reveal, we see the lightweight reverse joint AC dual wielding Laser Rifles so it's entirely possible that we can dual wield melee weapons in this generation just like in 4th and 5th Gen AC titles.
@@enricopaolocoronado2511 thing is some of the interviews already verified that blades will be left hand only in short 3rd gen unless weapon arms make a return and can slap in blade weapon arms
@@lesslighter which interviews said that?
a recent interview came out where it was stated that the lock on is closer to 4th gen than to souls
You gained a sub good sir!
Fromsoft can't even breathe without that action being compared do dark souls lol
Anyone having problem with healing kit forgot that old AC games has repair station that is easily cheese-able to make your repair and ammo fee costs none at all
As a Armored Core 3 and Silent Line fan, i can confirm this
And you GENUINELY NEED those Repair Tools for the long missions since you drain soo much Ammo and Health
Did we have access to these repair stations during the entire game? No, we did not.
@@indalecio539 yes and? Like Reno mentioned, those repair stations are only available in long missions, and AC6 aims to have longer missions than its predecessor
Would you rather repair station which fully repair and restock your ammos while removing the repair and ammo fee if you can cheese it, or repair kit who might not heal your AC completely and might not restock your ammo for the new longer mission form?
I think, if anything, the new lock and melee combos, combined with the refined kicking, are going to make melee based ACs even more viable. I'm hyped for this one.
You hit the nail on the head!👍They just have to add the Moon Light Blade from 4 Answer and it will be perfect 😲
I completely agree King 👑
Wow, a sane person! Love that.
Edit: 1v1 me ACFA PC
That's possible on pc?
@@xAlundrax people figured out how to get multiplayer running on emulator. you need a free vpn that may or may not sell your data to russia though, so...
@@xAlundrax Yep!
You spitting facts. The fact that all this is gatekeeping is because they are adding new mechanics to a series without a game in 15 years, is so stupid. Imagine whining about 3 mf healing kits
You are a true Raven.
You nailed it !
So first off - I said this in another video: The Hard Lock-On is something I don't like. Sure, I could do without repair kits and some more Co-Op action, but so far? Nothing seems 'Souls' like in this game. Armored Core has always been the grueling lone Mecha vs an Army Sized array of enemies being thrown your way for the sake of stopping your mission. That said, I'm hating how these people are complaining about it being a 'Souls-like' now. Stamina Gauge? Boosting has always been the means to get you from areas with precise platforming rather than 'running or dodging'. Dodge Mechanic? Bro, Quick Boosting was in AC4. Back in the old days, you had to MANUALLY dodge with boosting. 'Missiles are MAGIC'. ...S'cuse you? I'd like to see any spell carry the same weight as a 440m Grenade Launcher being shoved up your arse. Even then, this game is refined in combat, it has AC4's speed, AC3's fine tuning of weapons, and AC2's snapping of controls. AC5's Kicking Mechanic also is here, so everyone gets what they like. Hard lock and repair kits aside? I'm fine with the new Laser Blade Combo System and such. We also don't know if we can't Dual Blade yet - we'll find out soon enough. Don't lose hope my fellow Blade User. The days will return when we can bum rush our foes and cut them to ribbons once again!
The one funny thing I've seen "fans" complain about is how the apparent movement of 6th Gen ACs being too "human-like."
Because apparently none of these bozos bothered reading up the lore of stuff like Human-PLUS, OP-INTENSIFY, and the Allegorical Manipulation System from 1st-2nd, 3rd, and 4th Gen, respectively. That, and I'm fairly certain that a *bipedal, humanoid* war machine from an advanced spacefaring civilization run by megacorporations can have a near 1:1 ratio of pilot to AC movement.
Same with the supposed aiming and how it "takes away the need to get good in your skills." Because apparently an advanced war machine hailing from the far flung grimdark future must still use WW1-era aiming systems. Didn't realize the Warhammer 40K chuds are trying to insert their "superior" Imperial War Titan Legions knowledge here, now that I think about it.
For legal reasons, this is a joke. Don't pull an Australia Human Rights Commission and take me to court.
As a fan of combat flight simulators I don't get the "I want to feel like I'm piloting the mech, not playing as the mech".
Like, ok bud, I literally have to operate a 1/1 replica f18 cockpit and I still very much feel like I'm the plane, because that's how a good war machine should feel.
Looking down And setting stuff up on the screens feels as natural as giving a quick glance to your phone notifications, not to mention that fighter jets don't really require much of that when in action. Really, they control way closer to a videogame jet than the stereotypical pilot flipping a bunch of switches trope, or even an IRL car.
In short, to me it sounds more like people really liked their clunky controls and are being boomers about it.
@@npc6817 Yeah, the complaints basically just boil down to them not liking the changes being brought to the table. It's both amusing and sad at the same time.
So basically it's gonna be like Elden Ring is to Dark Souls
0:55 Alright I’ll crack the omertà code here. Ever play a slow paced third person action RPG with a pulled back camera that pushed you towards learning block and parry patterns for bosses that just dish out meaty damage with every attack and cannot otherwise be staggered or stunned? THAT’S SOULSBOURNE BABY! Now maybe include a currency that doubles as an XP counter for upgrades and levels while also having drop on death and you’re set.
Finally, reverse joint is back on the menu boys
You know what, a machine dragon would be so cool!
Technically, nearly all of From's games have run on the same game engine, with versions of Armored core being made on it before Souls was a twinkle in Miyazaki's evil eye. So you might say that Dark Souls has always been an Armored Core game. =\
But the point always was that it would have many elements of soulslikes, not that it would be one. And well, it does have a lot of that, undenyably.
At the end of the day I really dont think this debate matters though since arguing over semantcis rarely has a point. I think that they took a lot of what the learn from soulslikes and applyed it to this game, and I think that it has many elements in it that people enjoy about soulslikes, while still being a AC game at its core. This is really all the matters...
it's silly to pretend that they didn't implement some of the things they learned from the Soulsborne series into AC6. I was actually expecting it and hoping for it. Epic boss battles and extremely detailed lore in particular. I still wish they made more interactions between Ravens so they can feel more like actual characters with unique personalities and histories.
Honestly when i heard about repair at first i didnt like the idea Specifically have a easy healing im not against the healing but honestly i was actually hoping they would have healing stations or pads or something the repair thing is find but they still could have adding healing in a different way that's not an easy 1 button heal but if they do add it then im perfectly fine with it other then that i truly love this new armored core and cant wait to play it and take it all in
Now I'm not sure how the repair kits is balanced in the balance sheet... get it... but if we assume 6th gen ACs are maxed out at 9999 AP x 3 repair kits = 30K total AP its still is pretty low for an AC of "current" generation but just imagine you having to pay down 30K for your repair costs on your first run... discounting the garage mid mission fees which you also have to pay if were going by ACV logic and the more you use it the more expensive it gets first its 15K, then next its +20-30K, next I think for 50-60K, I once nearly racked up a total fee of 1M in just using the garage mid missions in AC5
I mean, from how Stagger works in 6th Gen
I think they are esentially reworking Primal Armor mechanic where you deffinitly going to take a LOT more Damage when you reach the Stagger point
@@RenoKyrie stagger is mixed 5th gen (getting more damge mult under that state) and heat of 3rd gen.... if we assume cooling is infact "rate at which you get out of stagger" like heat.... since we do not have yet a confirmation if heat is back
There is a difference in turning speed depending on the leg type but it’s not as big as in the originals
yeah... there is no Nine-ball in souls-like lul, and after i watch ze gameplay video over and over... its more like previous AC mechanic added to VI, which is cool (tho i can't use double Pile Bunker now)
I like this guy.
If there is a mechadragon in this game... mmm. Just yes please.
this is kinda off topic. but believe it or not lost planet 1 and 2 had had i frame perfect rolls
If you have to pay for the repair kits then that's AC AF.
That's secretly what I'm hoping.
Not gonna lie but a pue future souls would be amazing but for now I am looking forward to AC6 i am glad they show us something completely different
This subject has 24h but it feels six months old. I just want a new AC game man. This stuff is melting my brain.
I don’t see why people are complaining about hard lock when it makes more sense in a mecha game than in a melee game.
But l it means snipers and melee are gonna get nerfed hard lol. Expect those flashy melee strikes to barely tickle enemies now
@@MILDMONSTER1234 Having a camera lock isn't going to mean tracking is completely eliminated. Being able to SEE and REACT to missile's and then side boosting past them is still going to be possible. Anticipating a sniper shot coming from the air and boosting under it, then assault boosting into range will also be possible.
the reason why the hard camera lock-on is so massive and cannot be understated is because in every single AC entry besides, like, formula front where you don't have to play, you were required to aquire targets by aiming at them and locking them up, if you couldnt keep up with them, you could lose visual and they could end up behind you in an advantageous position. AC has always been more of a third person shooter than an action game. this style of lock is in nearly every action game and removes that specific skillset, it makes total sense to be worried about it because it is a fundemental difference.
I haven’t played it yet, but I’ve heard from some ac vets that AC4 (and maybe FA) had a hard lock, so it’s not like it’s a new mechanic to the series.
4 answer damn near has hard lock and is considered one of the best games in the series.
@@riven5544 Gen 4 did have a hard lock called "auto-sighting" and it was nowhere near this strong, 6's is nigh unbreakable. in gen 4, if an enemy moved significantly outside your view fast enough, the lock would break. you can see that demonstrated here ua-cam.com/video/QmOTaCCn_IU/v-deo.html
in everything we've seen so far, the lock seems to never ever lose track of the target and while FCS could affect the effectiveness of auto-sighting, it wouldnt be as effective as we're seeing in the gameplay footage for a starter AC, no way
@@thealliedpowers it is the same as AC4 because it was confirmed in this interview that i'll leave a link to but before i do let me say that you can't see what the player in the video is doing with his sight control. All the enemies in the demo were non-ac enemies that were not fast so it would not be hard to keep them in your line of sight. The only difference i see is that now if you keep the enemy in your line of sight your AC auto turns to face the enemy as oppose to previous titles were even if you kept the enemy in sight your AC wouldn't auto turn to face them. This means that if you are a tank build in AC6 fighting a light weight AC the lock will still break if the light weight zips out of your line of sight before you can follow with the camera.
LINK: ua-cam.com/video/JIZQzqA0jy4/v-deo.html
@@maatstaf6399 There's nothing in the original transcript going into detail about the "hardness" of the lock nor is there any confirmation on if it can or cannot be broken, all we have is, "The hardlock has some sort of limit" and "You shouldn't think of this as coming from souls, but from AC4" this translation was done in real-time as the stream was happening, I was in the discord channel with the person translating it, who has very limited Japanese literacy by their own account and was also tired enough that they went to sleep immediately after. Not only that but the person being interviewed isn't a developer, they're just a freelance writer who saw the same footage as everyone else, that's from IGN's own description in the original stream.
The stream you linked, the person who posted it, Shift, is not trustworthy. He argues in bad faith to those who disagree with him and only surrounds himself on stream with people he knows already agree with him, he's not interested in discussion. I think youtube auto-censors my comments if I quote him directly but he has said stuff in the discord that really shows his kind of character. He's ultimately no better than the gatekeepers he's so adamantly against.
Machine-Goddess Melina = Best Waifu.
wouldn't souls be armor core?
Meme all you want it doesn't change the fact that if this wasn't that big an issue then multiple armored core tubers wouldn't be covering it so extensively.
face it this isnt og armored core its meckiro and its weird that people don't want to admit what's being shown, interviews are not enough to prove that the systems in play to placate the souls audience more than it does the armored core audience.
Such a strange take to have.
Some people were already complaining. So responses are being made.
So the responses are proof of what? The validity of the complaints?
So in a roundabout, one could say circular fashion, the complaints themselves are the proof? Because responding to them instantly proves them? But no one would be responding if the complaints weren't made?
Circular logic dude.
@@VaulickTheCrow calm down ben shipiro its not like there's any hidden meaning to the overall topic.
its a real problem and the naysayers are acting like criticism of this game isnt allowed, toxic positivity is putting gaming into a shallow grave so all this bull about how this game is the same as older armored core is just placation at best and cope at worst
@@MrSolidsnake293 It isn't the same. It's not even the same between prior generations. The argument is that Armored Core has not disappeared. It's immutable essence, still persists despite the changes.
You are also absolutely allowed to criticize the game as you see fit, and I am allowed to criticize your criticism as I see fit. It sounds more like you just want to spout off and just "be right". No one is saying you can't criticize whatever you want, they just aren't agreeing with your criticisms my dude. That's not the same thing Mr. Persecution complex.
I also call out the logical fallacy because well... it was partially the crux of your argument. Plus, it's not exactly a smart way to go about thinking or arguing. You gotta actually prove what your talking about is to be taken seriously. You can literally "prove" anything with circular logic. It's meaningless proof.
Relying on "my point is right because it's right" serves no one.
@@VaulickTheCrow when you and other tubers instigate the concept of meming on arguments peoplehave your criticism argument falls apart.
Your not here to criticize your here to be a comedian and your video and words prove that whole sale nothing will ever be right because unless someone has following as big as you or someone else their opinion falls on deaf ears or like you have done gets memed instead of addressing it realistically as a problem.
I've got nothing left to say to you on this as this has happened with multiple games and all of them barely survive due to being slapped on game pass or being put on sale regularly to keep a player base.
Old armored core may have been neich and died but that's more on the developers and publishers mistreating the series and tech limitations more than anything else.
@@MrSolidsnake293 Dude, you gotta take time and format your replies, maybe spell check a little bit. That's pretty hard on the eyes. I suppose it doesn't matter since you said you wouldn't respond but... yeesh.
I can be a comedian and I can make coherent arguments. Not mutually exclusive. I've made no appeals to populism, I'm also a small YTuber. It's just us here in this little comment chain.
I've left the floor open for a coherent argument, I've not memed you specifically. Even if I've made light of the overall debate.
Instead of coming up with rational arguments, you just keep poisoning the well by somehow insisting I've poisoned the well before we ever began. Like you tripped yourself in a field and it's somehow someone else's fault.
Then a cry to anecdotal evidence with "multiple games" this has happened too and somehow this implies the Armored Core game will bomb because they didn't make Verdict Day Part 2.
We are done though. I get it, you want to scream into the void and throw a fit instead of actually discussing it. Well the game is how it is, it's already been made. You can enjoy it like everybody else, or you can wallow in Armored Core purist purgatory.
Your choice man.
My favorite souls game is definitely legend of zelda
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Thank you for not being a whiny doomer about this lol
Ironic that AC pre-dates DS.
king's field predates ac, and it's kinda soulsie
It is much more souls than armored core they removed:
- Extensions
- Optional Parts
- Internal parts
- Weapon arms
- Various stats (RIP the head's use)
- Turn speed (It was necessary to balance tank legs)
- aiming boxes (necessary to allow stuff like flanking & dodging attacks, auto lock on ruins the game)
- Most mission expenses
- Fail-able missions (ie they aren't supposed to come back)
& they added souls inspired junk or ruined things:
- Homogenized parts (No reason to not just use tank legs)
- sekiro stagger bar (no reason to change build all that much since stagger is such a big factor)
- Patterned bossed (with healthpools so large that if you aren't using stagger builds you can't even play the game; rip creative freedom)
- Added heals
- Added lockon button akin to DS lockon
- Added punch without weapons
- Added checkpoints / garage before bosses / retrying
- Dodge button
While I would've been fine with the additions if they didn't corrupt the AC gameplay the sad fact is the game is more MechaSouls than it is Armored Core, there is none of the core gameplay elements you could find in something like AC3, AC3 Silent Line, & AC3 Last Raven, & immersion & gameplay is ruined.
It can still be called a fun game but I'd hesitate to call AC6 a proper Armored Core as it fits mecha souls better.
It is by no means the genre tag "souls-like" but it is the most souls like AC game to date, it hardly resembles Armored Core.
Having S ranked every mission in the game, I gotta disagree with a few of your points.
Viable build diversity is still pretty damn high, I've crafted a myriad of mechs without even having touched tank legs yet. Personal favorite being the reverse joints. Leg choice feels more impactful than it ever did.
Fail-able missions look great on paper, until you realize it's just a reload and retry-fest. Unfortunately the same for mission expenses. I think they should have been re-worked (essentially just use the constant auto-save present in the Souls games to prevent any cheese), but hey what are you doing to do.
I do dislike some of the overall streamlining of stats and I do miss weapon arms. Hopefully they'll eventually make a comeback.
Stagger was always present in all AC games, though not to this level of course. We just have the bar now. This feels a lot more manageable compared to older titles where you could get effectively stun-locked by constant weapon fire.
"Dodge button" has been with us since quick boosts became a thing, it's not new to AC by a longshot.
Turn speed went out the window in relevance when boosting became much more omni-present. From 4 on you pretty much had to quick turn everything.
No reason the AC can't punch when you don't have a weapon. Should have been able to do that earlier honestly.
I'm on the fence for hard lock. I basically never used it the entire game. I've also found it pretty easy to mess with other people using it. I think the game is actually easier if you learn to not use it, which I believe was the intent. If that was the intent though, they probably should have just ditched it to begin with.
The heals really don't matter when you match up actual AP values from prior games. You end up with essentially the same AP values, the difference being now that if you aren't careful you can get own-zoned before you can use a repair kit. If anything this change made the game more difficult.
I really enjoyed the bosses, it was nice to see that ACs were not the end all be all of combat devices in the universe. You could also circumvent their "patterned" nature by weaving in and out of attacks and outmaneuvering. So while they did have some patterned attacks, it felt much better than just battling a shitload of ACs for every single hard mission.
In all the prior games as well, you could just strap on some massive grenade launchers and effectively cheese the entire game like you can in AC 6 with tank treads. That's basically always been true. Branch out if you want to have a bit more fun.
I don't care about retrying before a boss or at a midpoint, it really just takes out the tedium. You also can't use it if you're going for S-ranks.
Now I do miss the radar gameplay versus the scans, I miss double blading, I miss having flares to get rid of missiles, I miss needing to quick turn... etc, etc.
But all in all, it still feels very Armored Core to me, just a natural evolution. I say that having played just about all of them. It's just a lot cleaner and a lot of the "clunk" is gone.
This a great template that they can use to rebuild the series, and eventually add some of the complexity back in now that they know the series will sell.
We're also comparing apples to oranges here. Comparing this to AC3 is a fool's errand. A lot of choices they made with early Armored Core titles was just straight up due to the weaker technology and lack of advancements in gaming conventions they had to deal with. I think even if you had that same team, with today's technology and conventions, you'd have a very, very different game.
So, I gotta say I heartily disagree. It's not just Mechasouls to me. It's a proper Armored Core, where I both feel like the pilot AND the mech this time around. Like any suitably advanced technology would eventually warrant. I mean, you aren't piloting some clunky tank thing.
@@VaulickTheCrow While some good points I got to say I missed things.
While yes enemies could be cheesed in the old games they were by no mean the only option or practically require to beat an enemy, I would challenge you to run through the game without any stagger-oriented equipment so you can realize just how reliant the game is on it for stuff like bosses & their absurd health pools that might as well make each boss fight feel like Slave Knight Gale with guns.
They also made it that you can replay missions (or so I am told) which used to be an end game feature again ruining the scarcity of credits & ruining the incentive to run energy based or low cost equipment to rake in more money.
Music is by far the worst in the series with even the generations I didn't like having better tracks (IE AC6 only has like 3 good tracks and the rest might as well be whitenoise / background noise).
Missions also from what I have seen thus far seem far more of a run past the minions to get to the boss kind of mission setup than actually having any interesting non-boss enemies, or objectives at least from what I have seen thus far.
"We're also comparing apples to oranges here. Comparing this to AC3 is a fool's errand." And exactly why quite a few fans are unsatisfied with the latest "Armored Core" which I feel ought to just call itself something else at this point, because it forsakes so much of the style & gameplay of everything that led up to it in favor of its "more profitable" siblings in soulsbornekiroring.
All I am saying is that there is a significant enough difference in gameplay between AC gens 1-3 & AC Gen ~4-6 that it might as well be a different franchise at this point. If this is really where they want to move Armored Core I get the message & I am moving on to other pastures, but if they are trying at all to accommodate old fans the lack of depth in customization & the bastardization of the series in purposefully dragging in Soulsbornekiroring mechanics for the purpose of pleasing the other fanbase does not paint the game in a desirable light imo.
I could have forgiven it had it been a spin-off but for them to advertise the game as being a return to form & for the old fans it disappoints.
I wouldn't mind innovation but AC1-3 might as well be a different series from AC 4-6 with how things are handled.
I just wish & hope they'd be willing to remaster the old games if they aren't willing to give us a new entry that honors the old games styles.
My BIGGEST hope is the return of Armored Core will spike an interest in mecha styled games because finding one that feels really good is quite hard(at least on console). Like Titanfall 3 could compete and i would love to see a Gundam game with better feels and graphics gundam evolution was fun for a little but the poor balancing of mobile suits got really freaking annoying and i liked GBO2(wish graphics weren't like PS2) but the way melee combat felt was pure punishment with its dumb immune phase that is pointless when you got knocked by three guys just to try to run away with broken legs just get ganked again. MechWarrior is a nice opposite in terms of flow when you compare it to armored core... I miss Lost planet 2 Co-op with friends supporting each other
lmao I hope VaatiVidya sees this. Hes spent the last few months performing Olympic level mental gymnastics to try justify retroactively labeling pretty much the entire series as "sOuLSlIkE". I wish the souls kiddies would just stay in their lane and let us enjoy AC for what it is.
If energy is not stamina like in souls, imagine carrying multiple fuel to power energy. Energy regeneration is not a thing, you need to burn fuel or recharge. People will always find things to complain about these days.
Souls stamina mechanic literally came from Armored Core btw
@@iMoevious Never played AC games before but that was the very first thing I noticed while looking up older games.
Souls Game is a difficult game if you're not used to it. Maybe that fear is what Armored Core fans don't want. As long as Miyazaki is involved in the project nothing is easy.
I'd actually say souls games are difficult if you're not overleveled. I have countless hours in ds3 and the end game on my sl1 run after thousands of hours was still pretty challenging.
While many can do it and no hit it, it still requires perfection in some fights. People can only do that after countless hours of practice.
Bro what? If you've been a long running fan of FS and play AC there's a very good chance you've played Souls games as well. The same can't be said vice versa, also none are strangers to difficulty lol. Also Miyazaki LITERALLY directed 4/4A
No. Souls is "Armored Core like". Amored Core was first.
Wait didn't kinsfield come first? That was more souls like
Clearly Deracine the VR game by Fromsoftware is a souls-like because uhhhhhhhhhh
I liked the video immediately after the siegmyer’s “mmmmmh, mmmmmh 🤔 “
Games can have souls like elements (its the same dev after all) and not be a soulslike.
People, and a few AC vets, seem unable to grasp or accept this.
armored souls is real
I'm firmly against calling it a soulslike as people have used the term to describe elements that has pre-existed in the Armored Core series and gaming as a whole before boxing them into a souls sphere if it is used in future games. I have to wonder if people would be calling the VD boss in a random desert inspired by radahn or something if release times had placed VD at peak souls series popularity.
I remember the original IGN interview where they said they wouldn't be moving toward souls series gameplay, but under people's current understanding of what soulslike means and claims in videos, wouldn't that mean they already contradicted themselves in the very same interview by talking about stagger and repair kits? The obvious answer is that the interviewees didn't see this as a souls derived element.
Note that does even containing these elements mean that using these "souls elements" = like souls = soulslike? Or does one use a more purist interpretation where "soulslike" designates a difficult slow methodical ARPG with a stamina system where you find a variety of items over a large map and use a bonfire checkpoint system? How does the public interpret this if they see a headline claiming this is a soulslike? What expectation does the average player who has never heard of Armored Core carry when they hear this?
I lean toward them imagining it's more of the latter instead of having a more componently influenced based form considering the amount of people I've seen expecting you to be piloting a scavenger based robot to actually be Elden Core when the original trailer hit.
not gonna lie to you. that desert boss in VD was kind of a call back to chromehounds bosses
One of the "major mechanics" of a souls-game is losing all your currency when you die, I haven't seen or heard anything about that being in AC6. So this awesome looking upcoming game just seems like a new AC with a few improvements from some of the minor mechanics of Demons Souls to Elden Ring. This first experience of AC should be cool for many others and me.
It's definitely going to draw in a lot of newcomers, myself included. It would be like how monster hunter blew up in popularity after being a niche title for so long.
@@Ashingda Indeed, some friends got me into Monster Hunter World and Iceborne, and now I'm playing Rise with them. So some newer games will draw in interested people that are new to the game or series; instead of gatekeeping we should invite those who are interested.
"Souls like" games all took mechanics from other games. Are they not "like" other games. Is it there fault they seemingly not only perfected it but also evolved it into more perfection?
I frame dodge rolling was perfect before Soul tho. In fact I think souls ruined them and they should be nerfed imo
@@MILDMONSTER1234 haters are gonna hate. We all can't be mature.
this armored core seems to be the easiest i mean theres no radar and thats why we got hard lock on and the simulation aspect its out of the window its basically armored core for the masses and easier.
5th gen had no radar which introduced scan mode, and V is what I argued to be easy same goes most likely for AC6 but when the .5 itteration comes out it will be very different much like how V and VD are very distinct
Ac4 is easiest only next vs next is hard
@@lesslighter in all honesty the story mode for 5 was easy mostly it being pretty much a tutorial for its heavily implied multiplayer
@@abeeocta2599 eh, depends on your build. ACLR is the hardest of 3rd gen
素晴らしい動画ですね。海外のソウルファンにはうんざりしていた。
日本語が話せないので機械翻訳を使用しています。 素敵なコメントをありがとうございます！ それは有り難いです。
Dude, we are not talking about that AC6 is soulslike or not, we are talking about AC6 is not Armored Core anymore.
It clearly is! i played alot of 3rd 4th and 5th gen to know an armored core game when i see one and played ds 1 2 3, bloodborne and elden ring too so i can definitely say what is dark souls and what is armored core and through all the experience ive had along my fromsoft fanboy life i can 100% say this is in fact armored core to its core.
@@redglint6451 The fact that these videos are coming out is pure and the most clear evidence that there is something clearly wrong with "core" of this game. Why there isn't a single video about Zelda is an Elden Ring clone, or RE4 Remake is not Dark Souls somehow. Because they aren't. Now this has so much similarities its actually insane and such thing should not have place in Armored Core game.
@@ubi5555 y'all are the most insufferable fan base I've ever seen
There was quite a few complaints from the older generation of Zelda players that BoTW and ToTK stray too far from the original though. People have made comparisons between Souls and Zelda.
I'm also a part of that old generation for Zelda players, and while I miss some aspects of the old design, the new design scratches a completely new itch. It's also less a departure from the very original Legend of Zelda for the NES, but not many people have played that.
These videos pop up as disputation to an ongoing conversation that's already happening.
Implying that these videos are "proof" that something is wrong, given their reaction based nature, is saying that the fact that anyone is complaining at all is proof and the proof is that people are complaining. That circular logic, dawg.
At the end of the day, I trust Fromsoft to follow through. They haven't let me down yet.
No, otherwise it’d be called armored souls
Im going to be pissed if ac6 gets review bombed by new first time soulsborne players that started at Elden Ring. This is Armored Core. If you want to know what it will be like then watch vids of the last 6 games ffs. The AC fans already know whats up.
Its a fromsoftware game end of story ive played almost every fromsoft game 😅
From Software sheep.
This is the first AC game with no difficulty sliders btw, which explains the repair kit
Last Raven was set to hard mode with no way to change it
AC3 had no difficulty sliders nor did 5th gen, LR was just straight up hard mode
@@lesslighter everyone had human+ except you💀
unless you port a save with it
So you just going to ignore all the ac that didn't have a difficulty slider, ok.
Oh I forgot some of the AC games didn't have it as well..... sorry my bad
Here's hope for a long missions especially arms forts return
they are the same in senses that matter and will change how a game feels when you are controlling the character how are you so dense you cant see that lol?
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Can anyone say "strawman?"....no one said they 'look' the same. Let me simplify it. It would be like taking an FPS game and making it into a third person shooter. How royally pissed would they have a right to be if that happened. By changing the turning speeds, camera being free, and the lock on, it changes the meta to a totally different engine experience 'likening it' to Souls (as that is FROM's closest titles to this). But, you could liken it to any other engine in that family/species. The strawmen being presented are getting annoying.
I literally make that joke in the video. I put a literal straw man in there.
I get the concerns, I just don't agree with them.
@@VaulickTheCrow After your "jackassing around" at the point where you got 'serious' as it were, you went into the discussion about how these videos look different (and that the proposition that they look similar is ridiculous). No getting around it, you entertained the argument as if it were an actual serious argument on the table. Maybe, who knows, some dumb ass somewhere, might have actually tried to say that AC6 would "look similar." But in the list of arguments we should take seriously, the fact that you picked that one, IS you attacking a strawman.
Even if we apply charity to what you are saying, and say "well, what does a Soulslike game" mean?, and attack the endless ambiguity of that question (as you've done rather well), it 'obviously' (in light of the facts) ignores the real argument being made. Maybe before the game was released, where it was speculative in what ways there might be overlap, the concerns would run wild. But it is confirmed that it departs from AC in a way that is radically different engine-wise, which strikes to the very core of Armored Core players values e.g. a big reason they even play the game, the culture that surrounds that, the values....funny, you didn't address that....I wonder why?
@@ex0gen I didn't address it for the simple reason that while I have played and enjoyed the older titles, somewhat extensively. I was never really a part of the AC "community". So I can't speak to their values or concerns. Especially as that community has become insanely niche and borderline insular over the lack of consistent releases. People like things they are familiar with, and the AC elitists are VERY familiar with the older titles now. Without a regular injection of new blood every once in a while, any change that wasn't literally Verdict Day Part 2 would have resulted in an uproar just due to stagnation.
The entire point of this video, is to make light of a debate that is being taken too seriously. It's a video game, and at the end of the day, Fromsoft has the final say on what is and what isn't Armored Core. Furthermore, I trust them with that decision. We may play it, but they fucking MADE it.
Most AC games are vastly different from one another, this one will be no different. I think the immutable essence of AC will remain intact, despite the pain of raising a series from the grave. Or would you had rather it stay dead instead of taking the risk of some innovations?
There are also only straw men to attack. People are being ridiculous. We're living completely in the land of speculation, nothing is "confirmed". Until we get the game in our hands, none of us knows how it will turn out. You can speculate negatively or positively, but there is no reason for a group of adults to be THIS upset over all this speculation. Misgivings? Sure, but the gameplay reveal has generated some real vitriol.
You want to be upset when the game releases? Sure. Or hell, don't support it. Just don't buy the game. A heavily stripped down gameplay trailer does not equal a release. The game is already made though, these last 2 months will just be them cleaning up what's already there.
Also, I wasn't just pointing to aesthetics in regards to them "looking similar". But even the moment to moment gameplay. The undercurrent of the argument has been that Armored Core is getting ripped apart and replaced with basically all Souls mechanics. That literally IS the argument coming from most who oppose.
Regardless, while it is nice debating with someone who is actually trying to stick to the points (I read and respond through a lot of comments, it's rarer than you would really think), I do genuinely have other stuff to do.
Nice talking to you, hopefully we both end up getting what we want out of this game.
@@VaulickTheCrow I will try to be concise.
1. The "community" isn't entirely the point here, even though it was mentioned, in regards to the issue of 'values.' Without going into too much detail on that, just to retort, one might be an isolated AC player, but still share in those "values", given that they are linked to how the game has been designed since the beginning, an din every iteration since. Framing it as "elite" or "purist" is a deflectionary, by attempting to deflate the importance of the issue. The importance of the issue is 'as understandable' as an FPS being switched to a third person shooter - there is no way to counter that argument. It's a radical engine shift, so fans of the series not wanting it isn't somehow a case of obstinance or elitism or w/e. The size of the market is irrelevant to that, and both kinds of game engines have been around for decades (invalidating the argument that this is about progress of improvements in technology).
2. The argument from speculation is a red herring. We are not talking about what we don't know. We are talking about what we do know. The fact that there is a strong auto-aim has been confirmed (have you seen the actual press release that just came out in follow up?). And the turning speeds were evidenced from the gameplay, as was the independent camera movement. That's definitive, we don't need to speculate on what has been falsified already.
I understand you have other stuff to do. But your points are fallacious.
3. Bottom line: Everyone is entitled to their preferences. No one ever disagreed about that. The side that calls us "babies, elites, purists, unwilling to change" etc, IS build on fallacious and misrepresents what is being said. Misrepresentation and a lack of charity is ALWAYS a sign of malicious intent. For contrast, this would have been squashed if the response was "we get it, its like if the Call of Duty game engine became Monster Hunter game engine" of course you would be displeased. No one has to buy it. Right! But, the idea that people ought to shut up and not voice thier displeasure when they've waited so long for a title and supported the series literally since FROM was a dipshit company, is frankly insulting. If you can't see that, you ARE the one causing the strife here. Period.
Honestly I don't care much about what everybody's worried about, I love Hack n' Slash games and AC at the same time and now AC6 looks like everything that I like all at once.
I'm loving everything I saw, and I'm one of the Raven fossils still alive and kicking xD
There's not only Action game DNA in that AC6 gameplay, but also some Japanese Arcadeness in the movements, if you ever played any Action Arcade game before then you probably noticed it in the melee attacks! and still, STILL there's WEIGHT in everything which is what was missing from DxM way back and made that hella boring to play for me.