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I did the same thing. Stumbled upon this style of swinging during one magical round about a year ago. Got away from it because it wasn’t what I was “supposed” to be doing.(?!?!) Only in the past month or so have I gotten back to it and found your videos as confirmation. I feel better now for “only” having wasted a year lol.
I wasted a decade!!! Stick with it.
I was always told I came OTT in my swing and that’s why I was slicing it and pushing it right or fading it, I just had a lesson and coach said I have a natural in to out swing path which creates a draw. I was hitting the dead center of the club face but every time I made contact my club face was open and had nothing to do with my swing. He didn’t tweak anything about my swing or grip other than hinging my wrists more I think to help me control the club face more and I was hitting it a lot straighter and better contact. I started experimenting with out to in swing paths and more in to out and natural as well and you’ll be amazed at what actual shots you can hit just have to be aware of the club face.
What do you mean by hinging the wrists?
I went and played for the first time in a while. I did the inside up Ott swing hard left. I was compressing my irons and crushing my driver. I had a blast. Thanks bro
Do you think this move is repeatable?
I love hearing this. Awesome.
@@tristanwatkins7819 much more repeatable for me than trying to close my club face down with an in to out swing. I was in to out all my life and struggled hard with hooks. I started doing some swing speed training and found my swing is more fluid with out to in path, much more consistent, now I'm not talking 10 degrees, usually 3-5 degrees. Now I fight a straight ball vs just off the fairway right with a fade vs in the woods left with a dick hook. I also hit the ball farther this way, club speed up to 121 on mevo.
Thanks for the great work you're doing helping us hit the golf ball good I mean real good
You are very welcome. I appreciate the kind words!
Christo -- he's absolutely doing the counter-clockwise shaft circles! He was a hook miss and was searching for a long time dating back to the Hank Haney days to get that inside path more neutral. So much if not all of teaching today and discussion these days is on shallowing and creating a clockwise shaft circle. Maybe that's a good feeling for slicers?? But for the rest of us out here who have a natural tendency to swing too much from the inside .... "counter-clockwise" shaft circles are the way to feel the moves! Ironically, most baseball players who circle the bat in their pre-pitch warmup (if they circle the bat) -- do it counter-clockwise
That’s an interesting point about batters.
@@MiracleSwingExperience yes - if they’re twirling the bat pre-swing ritual -- they are twirling the barrel overhand (counterclockwise) towards the pitcher (not underhanded and away from the pitcher clockwise)
Can you define what "Over The Top" means?
Because as far as I know, Tiger has always stated (and I believe he does this better than almost anyone) that he attempts to take the club back and bring it back to the ball ON THE SAME PATH/LINE.
The fact that Tiger over-exaggerated a PRACTICE swing to remind himself to do something special on that shot doesn't mean he swings "over the top."
Let me be clear, I am glad you have found something that works for you. I am glad you are sharing your information with the world and attempting to help make people better. But that doesn't mean you get to take anyone you want and loop them under your realization. Tiger does not swing like Bobby Jones, he never has. I agree, Bobby Jones is the poster-child for Over The Top. But you need to stick to that standard.
Tiger is not an "Over The Top" hitter.
I'm talking about swinging down "Over" the backswing plane.
I just had an epiphany recently... It was always blatantly obvious, but it just dawned on me that in the swing there will be an equal counter reaction to every action. So, in my effort to "stop coming over the top" I keep getting more and more low and inside on my takeway, and that forces my body to adjust on the downswing. Every time producing a drop in the shoulder and a steep over the tops swing. BUT it felt more like what I imagined an inside swing would feel like.
It wasnt until I just rewatched Tom Watson discussing his swing "secret", that I realized that what I really felt like was over the top actually put me right on plane. Hence here I am watching your videos and hearing you discuss all the same things, and similar videos we have watched. I wish I would have understood this before age 39 now that I have really hurt my back!
I think his swing rehearsal is prompting him to swing on plane because his misses are pushing right from getting stuck
His OTT practice FEELS looks very similar to what Jordan Spieth is doing these days... OTT is undeniably legitimate. Another great video !
It’s what the best golfers in the world used to do, and do today!
That’s not what Speith does. He’s shallowing the club ala George Gankas
@@georgesbahri5730 agree. spieth seems to be doing the opposite. exaggerated out in and wrist cock during practice swing
The most obvious over-the-top action which isn't really the right terminology is Corey pavin he was doing that many years before when Jordan Speith was in his diapers
@@MiracleSwingExperience Trevino didnt
You have a beautiful, Hoganesque swing and incredible ball flight. I love the concept.
Thanks, Michael. It's been a long journey, and worth every step along the way!
It is a move to feel the shoulder plane in the correct plane . Corey Pavin did it on every shot .Tom Watson changed his swing to always keep it on plane . All good golfers do it . Byron , Hogan . Snead , palmer . If you already have a good lower body rotation , all you need to do is keep the shoulders on plane . It is the Secret to good golf
My instructor’s been teaching this release for 30 years, however there are prerequisites to make it work, including set-up, pivot, grip and having sufficient lag. It’s great for clubface control/stability. It’s what O’grady termed a Cp (centripetal) release.
I also note the great hitters hit into their left side. Stopping the hands and then extending/turning to get through the hitting area. ... the clubhead is slinging forward by a “release” action. Not saying someone cannot find a way to hit the ball well “holding” all the way, but the “release” makes the game easier I dare say. (The hands and arms method/release focused swing is my personal favorite - I add I can do it with the Hogan style of swing, i.e. keeping the right elbow down and tight to the torso all the way from the top to contact).
That sounds similar to what I am doing.
I think that a key element to this is to NOT lose the built up shoulder turn going down towards the ball in the downswing while keeping the right palm facing down towards the ground together with the left wrist, and then only at the very end closing in on the ball, then gradually doing this movement. Doing it that way, then you have more of an ability doing this Tiger move correctly, and then it won't feel so much like a lose swing over the top, but more like you are able to throw something very heavy.
I believe strongly that the better that this move gets done, the more you can with some machine measure the amount of pull going through the ball. One should invent some kind of machine that like in armwrestling, measuring the pull force.
love the music and the shots you made, what a swing!
Thanks, John! I was hitting it well and lost my way somehow!!!
@@MiracleSwingExperience George Knudson videos always help me find my way back!
I swing over the top and open when I wanna hit a fade but swing in to out and closed when I wanna hit a draw isn't this common knowledge amongst decent golfers im trying to figure out what you think you discovered here? Not knocking you just genuinely curious
Your right ....if you got control of it don't worry about it
Putting this out there is almost unacceptable. You see a couple of players (who have a problem of dumping it under) doing a rehearsal with a feel which has nothing to do with anybody’s swing but the person doing the rehearsal. Nobody wants to dump it under but even fewer people want to be OTT.
*Clear as a bell! Jordan Spieth and Justin Thomas also. The key point is your swing under your rotator cuff but on top of that ball.*
Right on my brother!
What do you mean under the rotator cuff but on top of the ball. Elaborate pls I’m interested. Thank you
Great video bro!
Thank you very much, Gregg!
OVER THE TOP FOR THE WIN! what I love most about this ; is the free swinging of the club ; nothing held back and no trying to place the club somewhere on a backswing etc
Cheers ‘ Christo ; loving this content 💚⛳️
I feel like I'm not losing the club out "there" somewhere. It's under control and POW!
@@MiracleSwingExperience As Hogan would say "you put it in the slot straight away" you don't need to find it once it's in there!
Hi Christi whether you feel you need to go OTT or not; your trail arm must immediately drop and your trail elbow must also immediately turn inward dropping your club into its slot (plane of action against the ball). Right?
For perfect contact to my ball and to avoid all swing wreckers including swing going too much left I simply use my trail little finger to press against the middle of my grip handle throughout my swinging of the club. It works for a number of great reasons with all my clubs every single time
Try it! You will love it Cheers 😃⛳️👍🥂
what would it look like with proper camera angle ? they are working on release not (over the top) it is interesting when you get the real cam angle.
Paddy Harrington was using this rehearsal yesterday in the first round of the Traditions senior.
He's pounding it now. He wasn't that long when he was winning majors. He is now!
I would love to see some footage of young Tiger. I believe he was doing this in his early days with a much more fluid and natural motion. '97 through the days with Butch could be interesting. He had incredible speed, leverage, and possibly his best ball striking.
I’ve been looking at it. I’d like to do a comparison.
I agree with you.
Sam Snead was quite possibly the FIRST. Snead setup closed, took the club inside, then came over the top, while still staying inside his target line. He hit his driver, long, low BUT still with A LOT of carry.
Sam Snead probably did it the BEST!
Press the ground hard with your left foot on the downswing after the club starts to fall. This will naturally give you this swing plane. The pros are just using other forces we can create.
Lead leg pressure is key
The question I have for you is how do I stop pulling my shots when I focus on going OTT? I absolutely love the motion and how my body feels but I can't wrap my head around how not to pull it. Any tips would be lovely. Thanks!
That's a natural part of learning this motion. I did it as well. The short answer is you have get used to having the face at the target while the body is open. You can try a weaker grip. You can move the ball further forward in your stance. And, you can try and drop your rear elbow after you go over the top. I'm going to be making some in depth videos on this for MSE TV.
@@MiracleSwingExperience awesome! Thanks for the reply. I'm eagerly waiting on those videos explaining this exact thing. I appreciate it
@@MiracleSwingExperience So OTT but still keep the club shallow by dropping the elbow.
I believe that when Tiger uses this swing he's trying to hit a cut & isn't his normal swing if he wants to draw it because it just wouldn't work. If you watch his practice swing, it goes left across his body to hit a cut. Spieth's practice swing is only to get a specific feeling to his swing. If he actually used that move in his real swing, the ball would always start left & fade right as well.
Maybe, but for what it’s worth I’m as ott as it gets and play a consistent high draw off a 3hcp...
This is a fantastic concept! I think it will help many golfers.
It would also be important to explain what type of release this because for the average person trying to roll their wrists or go radial/ulnar this will mess thrm up until thry grasp what they should be doing at impact.
I do disagree that this is the "most" efficient way to leverage the club because Justin Thomas is very much under and up this is over and down. There are many professionals who swing under and up that play at very high levels and have tremendous swing speeds.
Also I feel there is a down side to this mechanism in that for a wedge game it can be very erratic.
This video was very enlightening I just think that each golfer should try many different things before they decide THIS is THE best. Tiger abandoned this method for a reason.
If golfers learned their wrists outward first the game would be a lot less complicated.
I appreciate the input. Everyone is on their own path.
Appreciate your views and opinions as well.
Just an update
I hit balls using this sw ing on the range this morning. It works really well. I definitely can hit solid shots.
For me personally I enjoy using the lest wrist lever better with a Radial ulnar motion(maybe because I'm a lefty that plays right handed)
The flexion extension slap hinge feels good to me but I feel more erratic that way.
This concept is very valuable to anyone who has never tried it. It can definitely be a light bulb moment for many golfers and make golf fun and easy for them. They will also hit it much farther and straighter than they ever have!
@@jacobr4558 After I hit my first solid shot I knew, "this is the way."
It's definitely nice when something finally makes sense with the mechanics of this crazy game! 😆
I have seen Tiger take this over-the-top practice swing before driving the ball during actual tournaments. I never understood why he took this crazy looking practice swing. I look forward to watching this video to find out.
Fantastic, Bill. If you'd like more information about the OTT Swing go here... myswingevolution.com/collections/all-products
I am confused Dear Christo, I thought that over the top is hitting the ball outside inside, this caused me slices and horrible fades losing a lot of distance. Now I hit inside out, rolling my hands and gained a lot of control and distance. My swing is like Ben Hogan's, right elbow glued to the body...
You're absolutely right. Keep doing what you're doing. Check out Clay Ballards UA-cam lessons. DO NOT swing over the top
My swing coach has wanted me to finish low and left. Great results
I think I had my Eureka moment the other day. Now, it is time to refine!
That’s great news to hear. Refinement!
Steve Johnston, PGA has the Eureka Swing - worth checking out...
@@vinceschiavo5385 that eureka swing is just a rip off off the openstance swing, nothing like an OTT swing. He aims feet left and swings out to the right. The opposite of OTT.
The problem with OTT without knowing OTT is one assumes the clubbed goes left.
But with Moe Norman's Master Move, it goes right and to the inside of the ball.
The club head does go left after impact. Am I incorrect here?
When you talk about problems with "dropping it under", do you refer to shallowing the club in the style of Garcia?
Yes, that's exactly what I'm talking about.
@@MiracleSwingExperience Thanks for answering! I'm struggling with understanding the concept of the OTT swing that you advocate. I've seen a few of your videos and bought your Hogan video last year. From what I understand, you mean that the downswing should cut through the backswing plane from the top, and the downswing plane thus being more vertical than the backswing plane. Rather than the other way around when shallowing, or "pulling the chain" in the words of Garcia. Is this correctly understood? Am I missing some other key aspect?
@@johanaberg621 That's the basic idea, yes!
Christo what’s included in the MSEtv subscription, I am very interested…
why ott? for more compession or steeper aOa?
Both of those are correct.
I would pull the ball over the left field fence. How do you not do that?
It is the D plane I was talking about. Look into it!
@@emigs8712 That's money!
Are you still releasing the club the same with OTT versus the up under and out swing?
No, I am not. Thank goodness. I have more downward pressure on the shaft and more lean at impact.
@@MiracleSwingExperience I purchased your OTT video but don’t understand the release.
@@MiracleSwingExperience I know Mike Austin’s release and you found that he was a bit OTT. That’s where the confusion is for me.
If you look at Els and DLIII, each has hands farther from body coming through than on backswing.
Did Tiger play his best golf with this swing? Also is this creating a very steep angle of attack?
He played his best with the Butch or Haney swing. That was his prime. But, with Trackman today and force plates why has Tiger chosen to swing this way? Probably because it’s the best and easiest on his back.
All I do is hit blocks when I try this. It's an anti hook move. Didn't Hogan do this to stop hooking the ball??
Yes, I believe Hogan did this to stop his hook. But, I would think you could not hit a block if you go OTT. Hmnn.
Wow 👀
What is the "d" plain?
Cory Pavin did the same, "over the top" practice swing back in the 1980s
Were these guys planning to fade cut shot around the corner of fairway?
They might be but they still have to compress the ball a ton.
The “over the top” terminology is just a marketing scheme. Nobody in this video is swinging over the top.
I’ve been fighting over the top for 12 years..I’ve tried everything to try to shallow my downswing to no avail!!! My arms wing span is longer than my height and I have to have an upright shoulder height backswing!! So now OTT is a good thing? I’ve almost given up golf completely because of my endless struggles!!!!
No, OTT is NOT a good thing. The practice swing demonstrated by Tiger is just a feeling. His actual swing is nothing like the practice swing. He gets on plane and exits low left. The club still shallows slightly. If you want to understand it better watch Perez and Elkington explain it here:
ua-cam.com/video/jR4r4g7tDWQ/v-deo.html
It is just a feeling used to get your arms out in front of you more and not feel so dumped under plane, stuck and flippy.
I agree. OTT is an overcompensating feeling to a bad swing. Not everyone should do this. No great players swing too much left as OTT causes.
Don’t go back to it. Instead consistently use the little finger of your trail hand to press against the middle of the grip of your club throughout the start to the very finish of your swing. And watch a real miracle happen each and every time. Cheers 👍😃⛳️⛳️
This is not an OTT move. This is a drill swing to encourage a covering of the ball and a low and left exit. It should not be confused or suggested that Tiger swings OTT. It is very much within the Hogan move.
OTT swing IMO is for a very few of elite golfers. If you need to feel like OTT, congrats. You are the elite. Now, go win the Masters. I swing OTT even when I try to stay down and swing under. No, I'm not an elite golfer.
Learn to use it to your advantage! myswingevolution.com/
I dont really get how finishing low left and being OTT automatically go hand in hand. You can be perfectly on plane and finish low left. Low left is just following the arc.
That's true but the OTT makes it easier for me to get there.
I actually did this today with a slightly shut face at address and BINGO !!!
Slap hinge release?
Yes
This is genius! I'm so glad you solved this Cristo. It explains so much to me. I finally understand the other swing where it's more over/under and up(radial/ulnar, hold the angle etc).
This specific pattern that you have solved is so opposite that I find it fascinating! On tour and in long drive we see all sorts of things people do that create speed and control. It's so nice to have sone clarity on these mechanics.
Thank you for your efforts. I think this will help many people for years to come.
First of all Ben Hogan is the greatest player to ever play golf he only entered sixteen majors and won nine he went in the service in his dead nut prime then got hit by a greyhound bus after the service the only reason he lived was because he dove in front of his wife or the steering wheel would have crushed him to death hence his legs were bad the re4st of his life and he still won 71 times.
I'm obviously a huge Ben Hogan fan. He missed 30 majors in his prime due to WWII, the accident, and missing the British Open every time but once. At the end of the day, we only have the record we have. Jack has 74 wins and 18 majors. Tiger has 82 wins and 15 majors. It's pretty close!
He’s trying to hit a fade or having swing issues and is exaggerating what he’s trying to feel to correct it. I hit 1 like this today trying to hit a fade but it went almost straight. Solid as fk shot too but my miss is a hook and on this hole I could not miss left and it worked nicely. I’d say if you struggle w Contact try this and learn to play a cut because it’s def easier if you already miss both ways n need a new approach
I agree I didn't see any over the top swing when he actually hit the ball
Sorry, really don't see how Tiger is OTT, even if he practices his cut feel like that. Maybe your definition is different, but his club very clearly goes below plane in the downswing (i.e. it shallows a bit).
What do the hands do?
@@MiracleSwingExperienceIn the practice feel they go OTT, in the swing they shallow slightly. Then there's that low and left hand path after impact, which I believe is a result of shaft lean + pivot. And that low and left is what gives the impression of OTT I think.
@@auriferous4462 This is correct. They FEEL OTT, but aren't actually OTT. Unless you completely redefine OTT to mean hands over the backswing plane. Which is incorrect. You can hear a really great explanation of it here:
ua-cam.com/video/jR4r4g7tDWQ/v-deo.html
Perez literally says that he feels out on top but is actually on plane.
I could watch Tiger swing 36 hours a day.
He's flat out amazing.
Tiger is exaggerating that feeling in his pre shot routine because his miss hits come from being too much under the swing plane, he doesn’t swing over the top on an actual shot.
Exactly...
Consider George Knutsen or Knutson.... a Ben Hogan idol/ mentor
Have you seen Jim Hardy and Chris O’Connell and their Planetruth Golf teaching. This isn’t new as far as I have been following Hardy.
Tiger exaggerates the over the top motion to get rid of those bad demons 🤣
There’s video on UA-cam of Seve working with Mac o Grady about 94 working on low and left I wish he would have kept going with that as it worked
Whoa! I have got to find that!!
I am the worst over the top swinger ever. I’m captain slice. If I could just get that club face squared up I’m happy with the straight left shots when I figure it out every once in awhile.
Learn to take the club back to the inside, as deep as you can. That will bring your path back closer to neutral so you won't slice it! Pick up the video if you need a detailed explanation! myswingevolution.com/products/over-the-top
If you are hitting blocks using this, you are either NOT releasing with your hands, or are sliding ahead of the ball…or perhaps a little of both.
What EXACTLY is Over the Top ?
For me I think of swinging down over the backswing plane.
@@MiracleSwingExperience Thank you for your reply! I very much appreciate all of your instructional videos.
@@plugger4945 That is not the correct definition of OTT. You can't use the backswing plane as the barometer for what over the top is.
OTT is when the club is thrown outside the intended swing plane with the club head approaching the ball from outside to in. It happens because of over use of the upper body.
These swings are on plane or very close to on plane.
@@Kevin-vn7mg thanks for the simple explanation , I get it now.
Where is the over the top?
I tried this and killed every single one of my irons all the way up to my woods, but it did not work for me on the driver. Does anybody else experience this?
How much does Tom Watson (after he worked out the OTT golf swing)resemble Sammy Byrd from the 1940s? ua-cam.com/video/yIYz6z_YKk8/v-deo.html
I can see the move in Byrd's swing but I don't find them to look very similar, personally.
😳🤯 how did you lose so much weight??
That's tiger hitting a fade. Which he does 1 in 50 shots.. relax man.
I’m sorry I don’t see it at all. Tiger was rehearsing OTT but when he swings it does not come over the top. Other teachers use Hogan in their Stack and Tilt AND traditional swings. Now Hogan swung over the top? You’re not swinging over the top, because your swing is actually on plane, not over the top of it. Maybe you’re doing some move down by the ball but by then you can do a lot of things because you’re in a much better position then I will be when I’m literally cutting across the ball. You have a free trial for your course? I’m very curious about this.
Telling high handicap players who tend to aim right and get the shaft steep in transition to swing over the top is a complete recipe for disaster.
Tiger does not, nor has he ever swung over the top. He is simply making a practice swing and over doing feels to not get stuck which has alway been an issue for him.
His swing is not over the top.
How the hell do you take a practice swing of Tiger and say he swings “over the top”? That’s is absolutely laughable!
It’s not an OTT move. The ball is struck from the inside.
Sean Foley was enough to put you off.
Do you not care for Sean Foley?
**miracle**
we all know that Tiger Woods only going to play in major golf tournaments ,so when you turn tournaments on, it's the tiger show ,you know he's not going to win probably will not make the top cut at the end of days, so you can't watch it on TV, the whole thing is tiger tiger tiger show !!
Sorry to disagree. Jack is the GOAT
Jack is the GOAT until Tiger gets 18 majors. But, Tiger is a better player and Jack has said that himself.
Can you still hit a baby draw with this method?
No actual over the top will produce a draw. Shallow out the club on plane, clear your hips, swing in to out for solid shots. That's why its called a push draw.
Looks like he wants to the ball.
Fade it that’s all
You have to swing from the inside - to out - READ Ben Hogans book - this over top is total madness
Agreed. This is terrible advice
Just watch 99% of pro golfers on tour. No of them swing over the top unless you're trying to hit a BIG fade. Honestly, this is rubbish. Just trying to get views with some odd, niche swing theory
spot on...well said....its like golfs version of the emperors new clothes
No he's not the best !!!! FACT !!!!
He is over exaggerating accelerating through the ball not swinging over the top nobody purposely swings over the top
Hi Christo been following for a few years now 👍💯👊 but thought I’d share what happened on the range today 😂 local pro commented that my usual OTT move had gone and I was looking perfectly on plane now 🤔 what he did not know was that I was trying to come OTT and by trying your method it has cured my swing fault ………crazy 😂😂 you got me I’m a believer 💯👏👏🏌️♂️
How about you actually demonstrate how to do it??? And not talking behind the desk? 🫡