AmigaOS 4.1 Final Edition Review & Install (2015)
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- Опубліковано 15 чер 2015
- Time to take a look at AmigaOS 4.1 Final Edition, the latest (and last) version of AmigaOS 4.1 for PPC AmigaOne machines.
AmigaOS 4, (abbreviated as OS4 or AOS4), is a line of Amiga operating systems which runs on PowerPC microprocessors. It is mainly based on AmigaOS 3.1 source code, and partially on version 3.9 developed by Haage & Partner.
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The thing that I love about the Amiga is that once you become invested in one aspect of it, you can't help but feel drawn towards the deep rabbit hole that is the world of Amiga software. This was a great video, and the new OS looks fantastic!
Imagine what Commodore could have achieved if they had stayed in business...
1988 - 2014 : big difference
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AmigaOS_4_version_history
Commodore stalled in development of the Amiga in the late 1980's. They kept flip flopping on designs and releases and developed quite a few machines that never made it to market. Amiga 1000, 500, the 2000 and 600 weren't 100% compatible. I had the 500, but when Linux showed up on the scene, basically Amiga was dead. For the longest time I thought x86 hardware was total garbage (and it was!) but a 50 Mhz machine running Linux did anything and everything I wanted my Amiga to do. I had basically the equivalent of a Sun Workstation in my senior year of college running Slackware 0.99 for something like $700, and a Sun was 5 grand at the time. I didn't have as nice of a display, but it was fully usable for doing work even if I had to compile everything.
Just discovered your channel and loving it, as an ex Amiga, player coder and lover of the machine it's great seeing the community is still so alive. I still regret selling my old A1200 :(
Dan, nice work on the video. Your previous videos about your experiences using AmigaOS 4.x helped me take the plunge back in 2010, and I've not regretted the decision once since. I've gone from Sam440 to X1000 but have a room full of classic Commodore machines as well (so also have enjoyed your videos about your A1200 and others). This one is a good overview of setting up the latest AOS on one of the "older" AmigaOnes. You mentioned having problems with this system before -- here's hoping problems keep their distance for a while!
Found casually this channel, and found to be very interesting.
Congrats for clear and informative reviews.
Love the Amiga since I was 12.
Greetings from Italy.
p.s. Dat accent.
they should make an X86 version of AmigaOS.I personally think it is what an OS should look and act like.Not like the bloated crap that windows is now.
I totally agree.
Yeah windows is cancer. It started being cancer with vista. 7 was alright again actually but then they just went downhill.
@@Lordani66 There was something like that: Amiga OS XL / Amithlon. No idea what happned to it
and make us pay 40 gbp for amd drivers.
There's an Amiga Amithlon version, search for it
Great review Dan! Amazing OS. Amiga 500 (with ram upgrade and sampler!) was my second computer. First was
Sinclair Spectrum ZX +2 128K.
Great quick run through, looking forward to the Classic WinUAE setup, as i've just purchased a copy of classic to try and do exactly that! :)
I do so miss my miggy..
I bought a standard A1200, spent loads of money on it towered and all - towers were ugly back then, but I loved that machine..
A good number of years I had to move at short notice and couldn't sell - couldn't even give away as most were on pc. Had to be dumped (rip).
Now you can't get for love or money, unless you're willing to pay huge prices..
Great video and its great watching the user base is so alive still. I'll never forget my joy of amiga..
Hey Dan ! thanks for all the cool videos, you have put so much effort into them and it shows :)
I built my dream system this week, got a A500 1.3 with Internal 512K mem, a A590 40Mb HDD with 2Mb, and a Zipstick Joystick !, Cumana external Drive, ALL in their Original Boxes in excellent condition !
Tonight I got it all set up and couldn't believe a 30 year Old computer had graphical disk partitioning tools lol !!! wayyyyyyyy ahead of it's time
"downloading" a file to Ramdisk over serial, playing an Amiga Computing sound track (MED I think it was) formatting 2nd partition and not a bit of lag...amazing..all from 7.14Mhz !
Anyways thanks again for all the great Amiga videos :)
I would love for a group like AmigaOS to come out with an OS that can run modern hardware & put a fright into Microsoft.
good to see u rocking os4 again :)
For the x5000 to breakthrough and not be just a hobby machine it needs some kind of exclusive software that will give it an edge, being more affordable would be great though.
Very nice overview Dan .. os4.1 looks really good . Glad it's quite similar to the original workbench feels right and looks amazing
they upgraded everything else but the look and feel of workbench1.3 intuition... Its feels like a half finished product.
Why not go all the way ?? This is meant to be a big jump from the old days, but they kept all the funky 1.3 limitations
They could have done multiple tabs in shell. Perhaps in 4.2?
Always good to see a new video Dan 👍👍
I really wish they'd Make it so Amiga could run on Intel chips, and focus on software sales instead of worrying about Hardware. Right now, I'm using a Mac Pro with 12 cores, and 24 threads. It's 6 years old, and would kick the snot out of an new Amiga one. It would be so cool to make custom Amiga builds. Imagine an Amiga OS that has Thunderbolt 2 or 3 capabilities, that can run AMD and Nvidia GPU's, duel Xeon CPU Motherboards, and no freaking Apple tax. :) Focus on the OS, and leave the Hardware alone.
AmigaForever may be what you're looking for.
My Xeon has 2 threads per core. I have 12 cores. and 24 threads. Great when rendering with blender.
The Amiga OS should be rebuilt on top of Linux or BSD Kernels, and just market it as a proprietary desktop environment, or OS. It would have loads of software that can already be used. Right now, Linux is more impressive, I still have respect for the Amiga, because it is the reason I got into computers when I did.
AROS is what you're looking for.
It's why I increasingly have high hopes for Haiku OS, which is finally in Beta but needs more funds and support.
Excellent review I still have OS 3.9 on my Amiga 2000 which has a 3.1 kickstart ROM upgrade with the 2MB chip ram, Tekmagic 060 accelerator card and Cybervision 64 3D card
I know this is old school but it does still work wonders
I have a few Zorro cards for ram and SCSI controller cards too :)
Nice general overview vid as always.
An Amiga emulating an Amiga to play Amiga.
+Solo Gals
I'm pretty sure he's using an AmigaOne, not an Amiga.
As an OS4 user I couldn't care less about playing Ocean movie tie in games.
Eh, at one you had macs emulating macs to use Mac software/play Mac games.
@@IanC14 ya, but why on earth would your wanna emulate your own system ?
@@Tech-geeky backwards compatibility...
+Samwell I couldn' reply directly to your comment (replies turned off) but the requested reboot was for UAE from the Extras install, the Shell was already installed with the initial OS install, not the Extras. Tried again since a power-off and still doesn't open a new tab, so will have to look into that more. Oh I may have said the wrong thing, can happen with a 45 min video off the top of your head on a Monday :)
I half expected you to pull out a Cyberstorm PPC board or something for your A4000 when you mentioned buying the classic version as well Dan.
Installing OS4.1 using WinUAE 64-bit with PPC and RTG as we speak :) had both working under WB3.9 (with Wazp3D working like a dream) so fingers crossed!
PS: Only started touching amiga stuff since lockdown started, as a c64 lad decades ago I'm completely in love with it so far!
Great video. I think I am bending towards upgrading my A1200/BPPC to AOS4.1FE.
Excellent video! How did the people who made the AmigaOne XE board get a hold of G4 and G3 PPC processors? I thought that they were just used in Apple Macintosh computers?
How do I get my hands on this operating system? I couldn't find it anywhere!
I can't believe the media toolbox still defaults to 1024 for the block size. It's written everywhere that 512 is recommended for SFS, yet they left the default 1024, so new users who didn't read the manual will end up with sub-optimal settings :\
What theme should I use to get this Amiga logo on upper left desktop corner?
IIRC, I think I remember that OS4 comes with a file driver system that allows any application to deal with a specific file type through the driver. Like there is an MS Word driver that allows any Amiga application to use MS Word files and save as MS Word files. Assuming I am recalling this correctly, does this work well? To me, it seemed like a no-brainer and we should probably have something similar for Windows.
Hey Dan, very cool OS 4 desktop you have there at the end of the video. Just getting started with OS 4.1FE but Amiga fanatic since '86 when i got my first A1000. Could you list some of the software you are using on OS 4.1 that you show in the video. I'd like to look into it. Thanks!
Out of curiosity I was looking around for hardware that could run this but I couldn't find anything. Is this kind of hardware pretty much unavailable?
I would love to see 4.2 developed for x86 as well. I think that could help the OS garner developers to create software which could be recompiled later for PPC versions and other New Amiga OS variants like MorphOS and AROS.
+TGOTR Unfortunately it's too late to turn to x86.
AmigaOS developers from time to time said that making a x86 port would require time and resources beyond what they have right now.
Not bashing PowerPC,me and others find it fun to explore and program for this now exotic architecture.
I still use Directory Opus to this day in my Windows computer. It's still being developed by GPSoftware in Australia. :)
Finally, something WE can be pleased about...
So much for the NBN at least.
Hey Dan! Can you tell me what your capture card is to record your XE please? Here with my AverMedia CaptureHD, recording my 9000 pro is a real pain (only 640x480 is recognised, else signal is said broken). Thanks! :)
Fantastic I love it except that the hardware is too expensive For this operating system but can it be used with the classic PowerPC Amiga hardware for A4000?
Reviving my AmigaOne XE after many years ...I've just received AmigaOS4.1 FE cd...going to install it today :)
Nice video! One nitpick though, FE is update 8 not 7, update 7 was an internal update for only X1000 users. Thanks for the video :)
Good vid. ... Where are the applications on disc ?
When installing OS 4.1 Final Editon on emulation, i installed some, but not applications after setup completed... Now i wish to install the rest.. Where can i find the apps on disc?
Do you still do much with normal Amiga's like workbench 3.1 etc
I'm really keen to see a review of the version for classic Amigas. I have an A500 in working order which is at the moment purely ornamental but at some point will be upgraded and used again, an A1200 which I use for games and is my pride and joy, a badly damaged A1200 which I intend to save somehow, and the motherboard from another A1200, which I intend to put in a towercase with as many upgrades and mods and extra bits of cool as I can get my hands on.
Both 500 and 1200 are probably incompatible with AOS 4.1 FE
JordyT1998 Apparently I need a PPC card. I have one, but it's not in working order.
Alex Stone but I think you need an Amiga 4000 or something.
I need this so badly, Jessie has been a nightmare on my old g5
FINAL version. years later its really looks like it. hope they keep work wb 3.1.4.1 and
what is amigaos 3.5-3.9
can you make a video like that on commodore OS vision ???.... i´d like to install it on my PC but i m pretty frightned on breaking my PC and its kinda complicated and all that
Dan do u know about Lander on the risc os Acorn 3000? did it have sound at all? thanks. how do i get sound from it? thanks.
Where can I get a copy of the Saab 900 wallpaper with the spacecraft on from !
I have the old Amiga 3000 that has been sitting around forever. Is it possible to get this Amiga 4.1 OS installed on my A3000? Will it look like the way you had it in the video? If not what do you recommend for hardware system whatever to get the 4.1 installed. I may want to get my A3000 fired up.
Thanks Dan, I enjoy your videos.
I find the OS4 question interesting. I see you get excited about the new features and things that make it 'better', but the more it 'improves' - I just feel.. it gets closer to a PC... close enough to make me think "its a rubbish PC" rather than "its a great Amiga".
A subtle, but VERY important shift in outlook/attitude..
I guess you do not share this view... but why? when you do your videos - may be don't focus on the technical features (which just reinforce my view) and focus on how the features enhance the Amiga experience? Do others share this feeling? Interested in your/others thoughts
Keep up the good work.
Nice video, thanks for sharing.
What kind of advantages does AmigaOS 4.1 have compared to, say, MorphOS or even AROS?
will my amiga games from workbench 2.0 work on workbench 3.0
I once had an Amiga 2000 which I used several years. But now, the time has passed. AmigaOS is surely still a good OS but nothing new from the actuel OS. The negative point is also the restricted supported hardware. Launching AmigaOS on Intel/AMD current architectures would be a good move.
I like your desktop background
Haha a SAAB 900 (turbo?) :-)
One of the major goals of the x5000 is to make it more affordable.
AmiStore was released after 4.1 Final.
AmiStore and the new Radeon driver belong to A-Eon and AmigaKit not Hyperion.
Dan where can i dl an Amiga os 4 hdf preloaded with games on from on the web thanks.
Amiga is cool and all, but I do kind of wonder what the point of it is nowadays. The machines that run it are ridiculously expensive, and I kind of feel like if I'm looking for an alternative OS nowadays, I could find a LInux distro or AROS....
Thank you so much! I love your videos
Still looks so amazingly 1994 with the windows and buttons :-/
do any older games from workbench 1.2 or 1.3 work on os 4?
I would imagine the stability was due to overheating, I would definitely clean the cpu fan and cooling fins as judging by the video is completely clogged up. That would be a definite first step as dust is the main killer of PCs due to overheating. Also getting the cables routed a bit better to allow good airflow.
Nice review.
Amiga os its like a Unix or open system like Windows/Linux ?
Dan,
I grew up with Amiga. Back in Israel my dad was one of the guys who first worked with it in serious TV work.
For as long as I can remember the only thing my dad talks about is Amiga... Amiga this... Amiga that.... Amiga amiga amiga...
You get the point!
My question is... since I'm now much older and don't even remember much of it anymore. Is Amiga still alive at all? Can you really work on it these days or should I stick to my Mac?
Also, maybe a side note but are you located in London by any chance?
BravingTheOutDoors
TO you and others , mine keeps on getting knocked off for one reason only .I tell the truth.UAE means emulation... meaning ..not really a real amiga.therefore and also, not a doing a real good job.Its 8bit like other x86s ,and pc=mac.,and 8bit thru out the system just like .the x86 system. sad fact. Even on the classic Amiga. The so called classic 4.1 os is really a 8bit os trying to run on the classic hardware ,and doing a poor job.i know I have run both. Neither can do true real-time multitasking . It called time sharing ..dang cache and memory protection ..is what non multitasking system have.
os 3.92 is still the best oh yeah . we where going PARISC=ITANIUM KOOKSY yeah thats who u are. PPC isnt what its cracked up to be.
Here's hoping that they release this on Arm or x86 architecture at some point in the future...
FORTY QUID FOR A GRAPHICS DRIVER.
I think that Hyperion didn't have money for AMD to pay for those drivers, so they 're sharing that 60 with upstream.
it dam well better work lol
I wonder if you are going to look for JavaSE for AMIGA BTW what compiler are you using I myself use GCC and Code::Blocks, I suspect that someone will try installing it onto a XBOX360, why not use a Corsair AIO watercooling kit should keep the temps down.
You can read about Java here:
jamiga2.blogspot.no/2013/05/a-telnet-client-in-java-on-amigaos-41.html
If you wont do C/C++ development then yes can use GCC/G++ compilers, that is the standard compilers.
I have water-cooling kit in my AmigaONE-X1000, to keep the notice down, what you run into is that mounting brackets don't fit so a bit customization brackets is needed to make them fit. It bit risky modification.
Nice and clean desktop
Data types seams elegant and simple. Does codecs work in the same way?
UncleAwesome Kinda, Datatypes are a lot simpler though, just one file and you can just drag and drop as needed.
compliments nice video :-). when you review os41FE Amiga classic?
Where do you get these?
I did not realize some of those Eyetech boards were so iffy.
Right now there's no cheap, official way to go about building a 4.1 system. Their hardware page doesn't list G4 as supported hardware but I guess that would be the neat solution..
DeckerFI Ha, looks like despite being a PPC based system, even G4 won't cut it, MorphOS only.
AmigaOS4.1 seems like a hassle hardware-wise.
DeckerFI Yeah unfortunately it's tied to custom PPC hardware, which obviously makes it very expensive.
Dan Wood (kookytech.net) Dammit >.< Got plenty of G3/G4 machines lol
My A500 won't cut it either :P
Forget expensive, the problem is that with not writing a version for Intel i7 CPUs or even i5 means we are stuck at intel Atom type performance PPC regardless of cost. OS4 deserves to be run on a brute of a CPU to show the world the Amiga way was better...just like the turd of a CPU that was 8086 vs 68000 of Mac/ST/Amiga in 1985 we now have a perverse reversal of the situation, it is Amiga that is stuck on stupidly slow and feature devoid CPU.
G4 is supported dispite not being mentioned but you were to lazy to read all sources, were you not? You just need MorphOS which is the open version of AmigaOS. The kernel itself is helas not open source and some drivers are props. MorphOS offers support for the eMac, iBook G4, Mac mini G4, Pegasos 1 & 2, PowerBook G4, Power Mac G4, Power Mac G5 and Sam460
can you install on rasberry 4 ?
One day, I would love to see an Amiga tablet.
Oddly in this age of tablets and smartphones, I just want to return to a Keyboard/Computer all-in-one that plugs into the Telly.
Turns into Jaraxxus then uses 3/8 weapon to whack you in the face.... ahhaaaahahahahahahaahahahahahaa
If Steve Jobs was still alive, he'd probably wanna make it too. He seemed to always wanna see 'success'
Lovely machine! Operating system doesnt look like its moved on that far from what we have in AROS though. Which makes it a very expensive toy.
+Dan Wood (kookytech.net) Love your videos! I have been wanting to try getting some flavor of UAE running with the new 4.1 final edition classic. I am not a UAE expert however, so I am very interested in your video on that! If you can show what steps you use, and what software is needed to get that running, I would love it! I already bought a copy of 4.1 classic, so I am all set! :)
I have a 1200 up in the loft and seriously considering bringing it down as I've been wanting to go back and use it. I'm a bit worried about leaking capacitors and any problems that may have come from leaving it in the loft. Does anyone know if there is a 'touch up' / repair service where we can send them off to be cleaned and checked? Hmm that sounds a bit bad - it's a long story how it ended up up there!
Or are there any decent guides? Dan, if you could do a video on cleaning/repairs, that would be really great please :D Only if you have spare time obviously :) Just pointers, or things what to look out for if we open them up.
I only just noticed that there were a few New Old stock Amiga 1200s sold by Amiga Kit. Pretty gutted i missed out!!
OS 4 looks pretty nice. It's sad to hear that the company had all that trouble shortly after releasing it. :\
treguard1982 Btw watching your videos over the last few months is really what made me want to bring the amigas down and dust them off.
I'm just in the process of cleaning the keyboard membrane with isopropyl and then using BBCream on the keys. I think I'll then connect it back up to the PCB just to see if the 1200 will boot up ok
Total ripoff, way to expensive.
How do these people expect to get products in the market if their potential customers cannot afford the Hardware/Software?
This business model will not work.
If Hyperion supported Apple G4/G5 then they would probably stand a chance, as their are plenty of owners that got burned by Apple when Apple dropped PowerPC.
I like the icons and desktop..come on ubuntu shows how slack your looking if amiga is still looking good!! lol
will this install onto other Amiga's ie A1200 or A500 is install different Where can i buy this is it available on Ebay
Too slow. A vampired system might run it but vanilla can't.
Hmm... is it AROS or MorphOS that is sort of architecture (CPU/GPU and so on) independant? I would love to have a ARM AmigaOS... it would rock, AmigaOS (low resource, really really quick) with the a low power ARM... would be really cool with like (nowadays) running on the old Nvidia Tegra K1... or Raspberrypi 3...
Alexander Wingeskog You can make Imica Raspi3 but you meaby already know that but i answer anyway.
I know this is a old video. But if you still have this computer you need to clean it an sort out cables badly. It will last longer. It will be overheating causing issues in that state
Is it possible to install Amiga OS on an old Mac G3 Blue Tower model ?
+Jonny Myrberg Probably not. The only Mac that successfully ran AmigaOS was the Mac Mini G4, and by "ran", I mean not well. It lacked drivers and required Moana Loader and a customized installation disc. Some G4 and G5 Macs can run MorphOS, which is an Amiga-like operating system that can run Amiga software. There's nothing you can do with a G3, besides emulation I guess.
You'd have to hope that Risc-v will offer an extension to the Amiga world.
so I can run this natively within windows? I have oracles virutalbox for now
you need qemu
Where can I buy Amiga OS 4.1? I've just recently got WinUAE for playing old Amiga games like the Rick Dangerous games and Pinball Dreams, but the guide I found here: guide.abime.net/wb3.1/intro.htm for an outdated version makes reference to Workbench files I don't have, nor know where to get.
when will you do a video of AmigaOS 4.1 Final Edition, into amigaforever
No real need to today.. Its ready to go...
The Operating System install starts at 12:00
what computer can i currently buy that will run this os?
All PPC with decent speed.
what wallpaper are you using?
emanuele righi simonstalenhag.tumblr.com/
Good video.
why isn't amiga os compatible with x86 architecture? i mean i don't think there are new power pc computers, i would like to try this amiga os but i don't wanna buy a new computer just for that
It's difficult to port over because the 68K processor had a different endianness than the x86. PPC had the same.
Apple had money to port everything back into x86. Commodore hadn't and legacy software would run forever on emulators anyway.
Different instruction set. An Amiga is however capable of hardware emulating an x86 with a Bridgeboard and as thus can run Windows up too '98 though very slow if not vampired. I think it might even run Windows 2000 and 4.0 NT but I never tried. Because it is a hardware emulation you have both instruction sets at your command at the same time which makes it very powerful indeed. I use the Bridgeboard mainly with DOS 6.0 to run old MS-DOS games like C&C. Because of the Bridgeboard and my co processor 68030 I can also run Amix since the Bridgeboard gives me IDE and as thus a CD-ROM and extra HD capability.
Awesome video, many thanks! :) I Have an Amiga One MicroA1, and I have not touched it for atleast 7 years, I remember that the lack of a decent web browser was the biggest reason I did not use it. Is the Odyssey Web browser fully CSS and HTML5 compatible? Like, can you watch UA-cam videos in it without having to use external programs and players that download the videos before playing them? I realize that a MicroA1 is kinda weak for youtube watching, but still... Would be nice... :)
Also, remember the CPU Fan was loud as hell on it. :D
Maria Engström Odyssey is fully CSS compatible and supports HTML 5 yes, it's webkit based. It doesn't seem to play UA-cam for me on OS4 but it does on MorphOS, maybe it's a newer version. But yes, it is certainly possible if it gets an update or configured properly it seems.
Nice! Thanks! :) I might dust my MicroA1 off and replace the CPU fan then. Guess I will need a New battery too.
Maria Engström there is also a port of Firefox: Timberwolf
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timberwolf_%28web_browser%29
4chan :p Actually last month someone asked if I was you when I posted some of my Amigas.
Gracias
OMG... the inside of the Commodore PC is a sad shame. With the amount of love you have for the brand and the sexy looking tower case. You really should take a weekend and rebuild it as well as hearing you complain about the potential for over heating and things of that nature. The dust alone is deadly to the old hardware. Make it a live stream so we can sit by a watch you restore the PC. Just a thought..😜👌
I haven’t had the case/machine for about 4 years now, hopefully the new owner is enjoying it. It’s not an original commodore case though, it was a company that licensed the name around 2008. They were pretty nice cases though.
That is not a Commodore casing.
Cool Sistem.
I miss my Amiga.. just wondering dan are you a radio host? you sound like one
The closest he comes to is the RetroHour :)
Do you host the retro hour pod cast?
I do!
You've stated that this motherboard is getting flakey with lockups, etc - have you ever considered buying a couple containers of canned air and blowing out the tons of dust that are laying all over the motherboard and add-on cards? You might be surprised with a more stable system if you actually cleaned out all that dust.
I no longer have the system unfortunately, it stopped working totally eventually. But these were beta/reference boards, not ready for prime time tbh, and not many are working 20 years on.
2015 . Is he using Cool Edit for recording audio?
It’s Adobe Audition, it used to be called Cool Edit Pro back in the day though.
dont mate this gets me too excited!
what capture card are you using?
amigang Elgato HD
amiga is still a thing??