"The Ragged Edge" - Babylon 5 - Season 5 Episode 12 - Reaction - I go where the sword is needed...
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You have finally made it to the point in season 5 that Jeff and Brent are desperate to reach: B5 without Byron. This is where it starts to get better.
I agree, Talon is GREAT!
I've always LOVED the touch of Talon (a dangerous, elite, Narn swordmaster) actually nervously backed away from G'kar's outrage when he told him about how they "liberated" his book!
That always struck me as a wonderfully subtle bit of physical humor.
Yes! Ta'lon is great! and yes, a great scene with those two. Love it! "A few ... hundred ... thousand...." ... I chuckle every time.
That moment when Ta'Lon told G'Kar he was now a religious icon brought me back HARD to G'Kar's season 1 speech: "No-one here is exactly what he appears. Not Mollari. Not Delenn. Not Sinclair. And not me." If you think back.... EVERY character on this show transforms into something else as the show progresses - which was JMS's point, because that reflects real life (but just a wee bit more dramatically here lol)
G'Kar was a buffoon at first. Then he was a heroic war leader. Then he had an epiphany or two and renounced war, and finally became an EXTREMELY reluctant religious figure. To me, he's the best character in the entire show.
Agreed, G'Kar is my favorite character.
I don’t think G’Kar was ever portrayed as a buffoon; Londo, maybe?
Byron is dead. Now Season 5 can finally begin!
I miss Byron... Now I can't be a whining fan boy 😂😂
REMEMBER BYRON!!!!!
LOL!
To answer your question, I've rewatched this series a dozen times. I do skip the Byron episodes but come back from E12 onwards, because from there, everything builds to that incredible finale. Zoot zoot!
This is always the episode where I say things are back to just being "good."
Yes! I love watching Ta'lon and G'Kar together. Never got to meet Andreas, but I did get to meet Marshall Teague (Ta'lon). Wonderful guest at a convention.
Love the scene with the Book of G'Kar
"Put your face in the book". Hahahahah!
Zoot Zoot!
The book slamming is reminiscent of the monks banging their bibles against their heads in Monty Python and the Holy Grail.
As with the "I got better" line by Sheridan at the end of The Summoning.
Talon is great, and G'Kar is great.
Such a great episode and Jerry Doyle's acting in this was absolutely brilliant with Garibaldi's alcoholic storyline
Zoot Zoot!
I usually dip in and out of the first half of S5 (at the most the siege of Byron's cult become laundry episodes) and *really* start watching at this episode, it definitely feels like a return to form.
I love how the arrival sequence at the Drazi homeworld is just a normal grind for everyone (except for the poor Drazi puking!)
Zoot Zoot! S5 gets way better after Byron offs himself. Look forward to the rest of it.
I know it’s for copyright reasons but the blurred screen with the Garibaldi fight scenes really works!
Ah…I see you’re starting season 5 😏 Shame it was only about 10 episodes 😂
I watched this when it originally aired and even though there were problems with the production i would not skip it
“I want a day in the life of Bester!” 😂 WISH GRANTED! (Sadly it’s his last ep.)
One question, though. Do Centauri palace guards go to secret offworld operations wearing their uniforms? Really?
Yes, a cheap trick to provide a connection to the Centauri.
Zoot, zoot.... to be fair I'd watch season 5 over watching that intro again 😂
You’re now ready for some Byron satire: Byron’s arc condensed into 4 minutes that can be watched in lieu of those parts you opt to skip in a rewatch.
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Somehow this episode was better than allot this season... I can't think of who or why (cough no Byron).
Mega, it's true. I'm one of the fans who watch Babylon 5 seasons 1 through 4 then I skip straight to the last few episodes of season 5.
Zoot Zoot
11:08 Not exactly. The last episode of s5 is the series finale, always meant to be the series finale. Nothing after it. If the series had ended with s4, then it would have been the last episode of s4. So it was not meant to be the last episode of s4.
Zoot zoot!
It's only really the first half of season 5 and the telepath stuff that sucks. It's setup for a war that we don't get to see on screen. The only good thing it does is to establish Lyta's path in the whole thing. I seem to recall that the justification for doing it was essentially that real life doesn't have convenient conclusions occurring at five year intervals so why should fiction, hence we get the start of that particular arc with no middle or end.
Also, zoot zoot! I enjoyed your intro section; not skipworthy at all!
Rewatch Season 4 except episode 22 and then episode 22 of season 5. Then you get how the show was intended to end after four seasons.
I'd like to see a competent fan edit of the first 11 episodes of season 5 that cuts it down to under 2 hours. It would have some semblance of story flow at the very least.
Yeah, it’s frustrating that you can’t really skip those entirely because of The Long Night of Londo Mollari and bits and pieces of great Londo/G’Kar stuff (ie their initial time on Centauri Prime, the regent, rescuing Na’Toth, etc.)
Needs an edit as you suggest with the best stuff still retained… except for Bester, sadly; don’t see how he can be pulled out from the Byron storyline. Think he’s stuck in it unfortunately.
I cannot stand Byron, but I do re-watch Season 5... for Lochley and Bester. Zoot Zoot
It took us until Season 5 to get a character to call Garibaldi on his BS. I will always be grateful for that with Lochley.
Byron makes Bester look sympathetic, and Bester makes Byron, well, barely tolerable - particularly when Bester puts Byron in his place.
Finally Mega is starting to realize how incredibly incompetent Garibaldi is at his job.
To answer your question, I will rewatch S1 - S4, the S5 Ep12 till the end. I skip the Byron storyline
I almost always skip the Byron stuff (I like the day of the dead one though). But latter half of season 5 gets much better. And the last 3 episodes I always watch.
Penn and Teller do like to say Zoot Zoot
35:09 be careful what you say. Admitting out loud that you have 20 bottles in the cabinet could label you an alcoholic. My parents can polish of an entire bottle of wine between the two of them. They would not consider themselves “alcoholics”. My grandmother would. Because she drinks one glass every 6 months. We only have one of two bottles in the fridge/pantry @ a time, & only when we’re going to use them.
I think his point is how people manage themselves when drinking.
Some can have a drink or two and know it's enough. Whilst others will have one and it somehow always becomes all night.
But I have had those 20 or more bottles for over a year now. :)
Alcohol is another of those things Americans are weirdly hyper-prudish about. I lived in Boston for a year and having three beers on a night out was considered by some people I knew as bordering on dangerous alcoholic binge drinking. In Europe or AU/NZ that's just getting warmed up lol. And there's nothing even remotely weird about having a wine or spirits collection in most of the world. One bottle of wine shared between two adults is problematic? lol no
Zoot zoot
No, I don't want to spoil it for you but I never watch the last episode of season 5. I'm just not emotionally strong enough. It's one of those things that, having seen it once, I can't see it again. On the whole I really like season 5. I agree it's weaker than seasons 2 through 4 and is on a par with season 1 but it's eminently watchable up to the final episode that is.
zoot zoot!
The thing is, if JMS had been able to do his original plan for the Byron plotline, it would have been MUCH WORSE! (I know, hard to imagine)
Are talking about Delen being either sexless or male in the beginning, and "transing" to half human and female?
Yes, that would have sucked.
@@michaelconnor1542 Ummm, no. Before the Claudia Christian debacle, JMS intended for HER to be Byron's love interest
@@MrDdaland Byron having any love interests was bad. Either of their's involvement cheapens the strength of both Ivanova or Lyta. Though it does make more sense with Lyta.
Sheridan's dismissal of Lyta always felt strang, as well. A lot could have been avoided if he had offered her a job as the official teep of B5. Back when they went independent.
Or a deal on rent.
The remainder of S5 will, I predict, convince you that it's better than S1. Yes, S5 got off to a fumbling start but from here on out.... well.... :)
IDK. I really liked Sinclair.
@@MegaReacts Fair point. And I think had he not had his issues, the show would have been JUST as good with him as it wound up being with Boxleitner. Alas, life intervened.
@@MegaReacts agreed; Sinclair >>> Sheridan (and I like Sheridan fine)
And season 1 of the show isn’t super consistent but I prefer its mixed bad approach to the first half of season 5, easily.
I've rewatched B5 couple of times, and always did the whole thing, including spin offs and movies. Yep, some episodes are a bit meh, there's always something to be found there
Zoot zoot! On a rewatch I just skip all the Byron scenes. The rest of S5 is pretty solid - not the heights of S3 & S4 but solid - but just everything to do with Byron is so obnoxiously awful it really drags down the first half of the season, even when the remainder of those episodes isn't actually all that bad
Just wait until someone tells Mega about the original plan for Byron. With Byron dead, is it a spoiler still?
I already finished season 5 so go a head
@@MegaReacts Stay calm. Be seated. Keep the drinks away...
Had Claudia stayed, Susan's rebound romance was to be Byron. So, when you call him fake Marcus, here's yet another example of your prescience.
Neil Gayman wrote day of the dead. I don't think Straczynski got the banger he was expecting.
I misspelled it on purpose. Gaimen sucks balls as a writer. Why anyone would expect something good out of him? He clearly didn't know how to use Pen and Teller.
Would have been better to tell them what was needed and have the write their own stuff. Then a competent writer could write the reactions/responses of the regular casts.
Are you f'ing kidding? Gaiman is a multiple Hugo and Nebula Award-winning author. He's generally regarded as one of the greatest living sci-fi authors, and somewhere in the top ten ALL TIME sci-fi authors. And you expect us to believe your assertion that he "sucks balls as a writer"? Well sir, I submit that.... so do you.
Come back to us when you're prepared to tell us how f'ing awful Asimov, Clarke, and Heinlein were....
@exile220ify ya, he sucks. The Hugo and Nebula have been meaningless for decades.
He is an arrogant putz. Mostly due to simps blowing smoke up his ass and getting meaningless awards.
@exile220ify Heinlein is my favorite author. Asimov and Clarke are fine writer. Just don't cotton to obvious socialist/communist. Also wasn't one of them a eugenics enthusiasts?
I could be mistaken. Were you aware Clarke and Asimov were so afraid of Heinlein, they conspired to keep him out of awards and certain publications?
Funny how commies have to rig the game.
Zoot zoot!