Amazing stuff! I love how you can tell Patrick is a fan of older jazz in his playing. It's very modern but seems to capture this throughline of jazz music from the ragtime to swing era, as well as the obvious bebop idiom. Not a lot of modern players do that.
Inspiring!! Thanks for sharing that! Note- that part with sax and piano left hand only at the beginning kind of resembled the sounds of Don Byas recordings!
I just listened to a 10h French podcast radio show on Sonny Rollins (yes, 10x 1h, covering 1951-2001!!!). A torture, but I'm like that, I dive into an artist and I listen to everything, or almost. To have my own opinion. My opinion of Rollins is that he seems very overrated to me. As a player/improviser First of all as a player/improviser, he does not seem to me better than Johnny Griffin, Sonny Stitt, Roland Kirk, Phil Woods, Lateef, Pharoah Sanders, Hank Mobley... but enjoys a much greater notoriety... and unjustified in my opinion. Ok he plays well, but not better in my opinion than the musicians above. Listen to Eternal Triangle which puts Rollins and Stitt together. Here they are VERY evenly matched technique wise but it is Rollins who is the more famous today. There is a lot of study done on Rollins' solos and they are generally accepted to be examples of strong overall thematic construction and development. This somewhat implies that others just play randomly. I'm not entirely convinced by that argument. If you like it, its a strength, if you think its an excuse for repetition, you'd think not. As a composer At the level of the composition, he did not compose anything, everyone knows that his hit ''St Thomas'' is a Caribbean folklore already recorded by Randy Weston in 1955 under the title ''Fire Down There''. St Thomas is an example of cultural transference. It is infact originally The Lincolnshire Poacher. An old english folk tune. It was taken to the Carribean presumably on the slave ships but possibly even earlier by the pirate ships (appropriate given its title). It gets transmuted into a Carribean Folk tune and then Rollins recalls it from his childhood being sung by his mother and renames it after the Island. I had assumed St Thomas was what his mother called it, but the Ted Heath Band, a British Big Band of the 1950s had a big(ish) hit with 'The Lincolnshire Poacher' done presumably as a 'ripost' to St Thomas. His ''Tenor Madness'' is a composition by Kenny Clarke published in 1947 under the title ''Rue Chaptal''. His other compositions from the 50s... well, Oleo, Airegin etc... it can in no way be compared to the compositions of Trane, Bird, Monk or Shorter... One thing that always struck me that I've heard no one else mention is that the Alfie theme is merely a reworking of the intro to 'Singing In The Rain!' Sound and artistic vision I find this a curious aspect. Early on, in the 50s his sound was distinct enough but it became more distinctive later. It is an odd sound for tenor but its one I hear more and more players now using. I'm not quite sure how its done or if there is a physiological reason for it. I have found it to be an aquired taste. Moreover, his playing and his sound are terribly degraded after 1966 (36 years). Something happened on that bridge, he lost his mind. He seems to have been traumatized by the arrival of Ornette, Trane, Ayler... In the 60s he tried to be freer than Ayler, more calypso/blues than Ornette, and more mystical than Trane, but without succeeding because so superficial... Then in the 70s/80s he tried his hand at funk, disco... with really ridiculous and corny results... Did he want to be funkier than James Brown himself? More disco than Chic and Nile Rodgers? On ''SAIS'' from the ''Horn Culture'' album, one example among many, just picking up a random piece between 1966 and 2001....It's a shame. He plays out of tune, out of rhythm, with an absolutely disgusting sound. It is a lack of respect towards himself, the other musicians and the listener. No normally constituted musician would have agreed to let this recording be released. The problem with Rollins is that EVERYTHING IS LIKE THIS after 1966. He even said himself that he was high on marijuana when he recorded his solo album ''Soloscope'' at the Museum of Modern Art. from NYC...Also listen to the result, it's ridiculous and disrespectful towards the listeners... Ego and money Also, on the radio show, they say he was paid today's $300,000 for himself to record the Nucleus album (listen to the result!!!!), and that for his concerts, his Financial claims were unrealistic, only big festivals could afford it. He played with the Stones but didn't want to tour with them because, according to Mike Jagger himself, he wanted too much money! I am not making anything up here. In a blindfold test published in downbeat in 2006, he doesn't recognize ANY saxophonist, even taking James Carter for Don Byas! Totally mind-blowing and revealing! Conclusion In conclusion Sonny Rollins is for me the archetype of a narcissistic complacency encouraged by the fans and the milieu which has placed him on a throne since 1956 and his (very average) album ''saxophone colossus''. You have to be quite arrogant to glorify yourself as a ''saxophone colossus'' at 26 years old when BIRD had just died the previous year.
Sonny Rollins is one of the deepest musicians in the art form. He knows the language inside and out, and can blow for days, but instead chooses to emphasize rhythm and melody above all. His rhythmic conception (and Charles McPherson agrees with me here) is the closest anyone has come to bird's, but hearing what makes bird great beyond the notes is not for everyone. Why you would compare artists in terms of their actual instrumental skill is beyond me, but aside from his artistry, Newk is one of the more virtuosic tenor players ever, a master at 19, and always getting better. You judge him for so many things that have nothing to do with sound... I feel like your critique, in the way you formatted it suffers from over-intellectualisation. God knows what you possibly retained about that 10h podcast - I'm pretty sure most of the information you list here is on his wikipedia page. But I would encourage you to listen to the music with no judgement, opening your heart. Listen to "The Bridge", listen to "Saxophone Colossus", listen to "Newk's Time", and then all the trio records... He's fierce, emotional, sweet, funny, all through the lens of the deepest time feel you've ever heard. No more information, no more dates, no more comparison - give yourself to the music and let it show you the way. If bird equals bach, as many people say, newk is like beethoven, taking the revolutionary language and blowing it from the inside out, to reach peaks of human expression. Looking forward to your response Love!
I was initially repulsed by your take but I actually respect that it seems like you've genuinely gone through his works and come to that opinion organically! You should post this on a jazz forum and see what response you get. I actually genuinely enjoy reading critiques of things I love so thank you for your thoughts. 👍
@@xxczerxx I posted it on reddit/jazz and got hundreds of insults regarding: 1) the size of my ass, 2) the size of my brain, 3) the size of my penis 4) about the fact that I would be ignorant 5) on the education received by my parents 6) about the fact that Rollins would have fucked my mother 7) about Rollins fucking my wife 8) about the fact that I will be jealous I said 'yes okay' but back on topic: overrated sonny Rollins. No response on the subject. I was finally banned for life from reddit/jazz for posting this text.
New transcribing homework dropped 🔥
Finally got Beatrice now this got the video on loop
lmao fr
I don’t know if Coltrane was transcribing. How about you make your own. If you can.
The Coltrane of our generation wears a splatoon shirt lol. That’s amazing
best comment i've found here 🤣🤣
Right?? I always thought of him as our new Cannonball 😅
Awesome comping from William. Right in the pocket. This could be a good transcription project.
@4:37 what a great nugget of vocab. There's so much soul in here. So many little nuances to grab
Amazing stuff! I love how you can tell Patrick is a fan of older jazz in his playing. It's very modern but seems to capture this throughline of jazz music from the ragtime to swing era, as well as the obvious bebop idiom. Not a lot of modern players do that.
does any1 else hear eric dolphy in his playing?
@@user-qo2cj5fu5zyea hes got dolphy in his playing, i think hes a fan of dolphys music
william you always drop my jaw and incredible to see you jam with a legend. even if AI eats the world, there will always be this...
Wow! Can't beleive William is only 18! You both sound amazing.
Great performance!
Thanks!
Wonderful!!! That harmonizing at 5:24 was a nice touch too :)
Thank you! Trying to be dynamic!
Willie dropping straight bombs in this so much. Swinging hard.
Yeah Patrick! You & William… Sick!!!
Thanks for putting young artist under the lights and "passing the torch".
When 2 instruments are more than enough...Great arrangement, spectacular!
You guys should do a duo album
Whoa...those lights out there...I think that was the fire dept. cause y'all was BURNIN' 🔥
You're the king Patrick! What an awesome and tight performance.
incredible, I just can't believe how good theses two can play and sound that good :')
Inspiring!! Thanks for sharing that!
Note- that part with sax and piano left hand only at the beginning kind of resembled the sounds of Don Byas recordings!
i didnt know just a sax and a piano could swing this hard
Just wow.
ooooooohhhhh!!! Beautiful! Thankyou Patrick and Will!
The Splatoon shirt goes hard.
This is amazing stuff! Really inspiring! Thanks a lot for the joy of this recording!
Frickin awesome once again, greetings from France
some wizardry right there
REAL TALENT
Sounding incredible! I love your hat too. Where do you get them? Thanks for the continued excellent musical content man, it's hugely inspiring.
SO good.
Wowzers
Fantastic
amazing
A thrill ride!
Love it! ❤
This is what music is all about mann 😎
Amazing!!!!❤
👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿 🔥🔥🔥
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
So so good, Dear Patrick when are coming to europe ?
I absolutely love doing piano duo with sax players
lol that intro was wild
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
すごい…かっこいいです‼︎
スプラトゥーンのTシャツですね👕
🎉
Gah dam
yyyyyyeah
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂❤
Maybe a so little bit low some notes tone cause this soft reed? XD na so good.
Where are you playing in 2024?
Good feeling, you sound softer reed than Parker? Is that to be more lily pons like Parker said of Hodges? Xdddd
I only eat butter.
I just listened to a 10h French podcast radio show on Sonny Rollins (yes, 10x 1h, covering 1951-2001!!!). A torture, but I'm like that, I dive into an artist and I listen to everything, or almost. To have my own opinion. My opinion of Rollins is that he seems very overrated to me.
As a player/improviser
First of all as a player/improviser, he does not seem to me better than Johnny Griffin, Sonny Stitt, Roland Kirk, Phil Woods, Lateef, Pharoah Sanders, Hank Mobley... but enjoys a much greater notoriety... and unjustified in my opinion. Ok he plays well, but not better in my opinion than the musicians above. Listen to Eternal Triangle which puts Rollins and Stitt together. Here they are VERY evenly matched technique wise but it is Rollins who is the more famous today. There is a lot of study done on Rollins' solos and they are generally accepted to be examples of strong overall thematic construction and development. This somewhat implies that others just play randomly. I'm not entirely convinced by that argument. If you like it, its a strength, if you think its an excuse for repetition, you'd think not.
As a composer
At the level of the composition, he did not compose anything, everyone knows that his hit ''St Thomas'' is a Caribbean folklore already recorded by Randy Weston in 1955 under the title ''Fire Down There''. St Thomas is an example of cultural transference. It is infact originally The Lincolnshire Poacher. An old english folk tune. It was taken to the Carribean presumably on the slave ships but possibly even earlier by the pirate ships (appropriate given its title). It gets transmuted into a Carribean Folk tune and then Rollins recalls it from his childhood being sung by his mother and renames it after the Island. I had assumed St Thomas was what his mother called it, but the Ted Heath Band, a British Big Band of the 1950s had a big(ish) hit with 'The Lincolnshire Poacher' done presumably as a 'ripost' to St Thomas. His ''Tenor Madness'' is a composition by Kenny Clarke published in 1947 under the title ''Rue Chaptal''. His other compositions from the 50s... well, Oleo, Airegin etc... it can in no way be compared to the compositions of Trane, Bird, Monk or Shorter... One thing that always struck me that I've heard no one else mention is that the Alfie theme is merely a reworking of the intro to 'Singing In The Rain!'
Sound and artistic vision
I find this a curious aspect. Early on, in the 50s his sound was distinct enough but it became more distinctive later. It is an odd sound for tenor but its one I hear more and more players now using. I'm not quite sure how its done or if there is a physiological reason for it. I have found it to be an aquired taste. Moreover, his playing and his sound are terribly degraded after 1966 (36 years). Something happened on that bridge, he lost his mind. He seems to have been traumatized by the arrival of Ornette, Trane, Ayler... In the 60s he tried to be freer than Ayler, more calypso/blues than Ornette, and more mystical than Trane, but without succeeding because so superficial... Then in the 70s/80s he tried his hand at funk, disco... with really ridiculous and corny results... Did he want to be funkier than James Brown himself? More disco than Chic and Nile Rodgers? On ''SAIS'' from the ''Horn Culture'' album, one example among many, just picking up a random piece between 1966 and 2001....It's a shame. He plays out of tune, out of rhythm, with an absolutely disgusting sound. It is a lack of respect towards himself, the other musicians and the listener. No normally constituted musician would have agreed to let this recording be released. The problem with Rollins is that EVERYTHING IS LIKE THIS after 1966. He even said himself that he was high on marijuana when he recorded his solo album ''Soloscope'' at the Museum of Modern Art. from NYC...Also listen to the result, it's ridiculous and disrespectful towards the listeners...
Ego and money
Also, on the radio show, they say he was paid today's $300,000 for himself to record the Nucleus album (listen to the result!!!!), and that for his concerts, his Financial claims were unrealistic, only big festivals could afford it. He played with the Stones but didn't want to tour with them because, according to Mike Jagger himself, he wanted too much money! I am not making anything up here. In a blindfold test published in downbeat in 2006, he doesn't recognize ANY saxophonist, even taking James Carter for Don Byas! Totally mind-blowing and revealing!
Conclusion
In conclusion Sonny Rollins is for me the archetype of a narcissistic complacency encouraged by the fans and the milieu which has placed him on a throne since 1956 and his (very average) album ''saxophone colossus''. You have to be quite arrogant to glorify yourself as a ''saxophone colossus'' at 26 years old when BIRD had just died the previous year.
??????! Wtf
Sonny Rollins is one of the deepest musicians in the art form. He knows the language inside and out, and can blow for days, but instead chooses to emphasize rhythm and melody above all. His rhythmic conception (and Charles McPherson agrees with me here) is the closest anyone has come to bird's, but hearing what makes bird great beyond the notes is not for everyone. Why you would compare artists in terms of their actual instrumental skill is beyond me, but aside from his artistry, Newk is one of the more virtuosic tenor players ever, a master at 19, and always getting better. You judge him for so many things that have nothing to do with sound...
I feel like your critique, in the way you formatted it suffers from over-intellectualisation. God knows what you possibly retained about that 10h podcast - I'm pretty sure most of the information you list here is on his wikipedia page. But I would encourage you to listen to the music with no judgement, opening your heart. Listen to "The Bridge", listen to "Saxophone Colossus", listen to "Newk's Time", and then all the trio records... He's fierce, emotional, sweet, funny, all through the lens of the deepest time feel you've ever heard. No more information, no more dates, no more comparison - give yourself to the music and let it show you the way. If bird equals bach, as many people say, newk is like beethoven, taking the revolutionary language and blowing it from the inside out, to reach peaks of human expression.
Looking forward to your response
Love!
I was initially repulsed by your take but I actually respect that it seems like you've genuinely gone through his works and come to that opinion organically! You should post this on a jazz forum and see what response you get.
I actually genuinely enjoy reading critiques of things I love so thank you for your thoughts. 👍
@@giorgiooliviero8554 idiot. You just don't read my text.
@@xxczerxx I posted it on reddit/jazz and got hundreds of insults regarding:
1) the size of my ass,
2) the size of my brain,
3) the size of my penis
4) about the fact that I would be ignorant
5) on the education received by my parents
6) about the fact that Rollins would have fucked my mother
7) about Rollins fucking my wife
8) about the fact that I will be jealous
I said 'yes okay' but back on topic: overrated sonny Rollins. No response on the subject. I was finally banned for life from reddit/jazz for posting this text.