Hanson not knowing "whip" was a slang term for car, then later using it in conjunction with "slaps" and effectively making new slang for it - peak MinnMax.
Minnmax always comes to my feed on youtube, never tune in. Glad I tuned in, didn't want the Starfield conversation to end it was so good. The mirrored my view of the game.
I’m realizing just how similar jeffm and i’s taste is in gaming. I’m enjoying Starfield for similar reasons, and I remember enjoying his thoughts on the horizon series
I love Haley on these so much, between her talking about Gunbrella to her having pages of notes about the Unity debacle and just having the ToS up and ready to read from it -- she's the BEST.
Thank you for mentioning the lack of accessibility options in Starfield. I haven't heard anyone talking about it, and the amount of options is embarrassing.
I feel like I'm more like Haleys explorer vs questy girl, when for years I thought I didn't care for 'exploration' but my biggest gripe remains how much of the space aspect of the game is loading screens and fast travel, a 30 second 'super mega space speed' zoom in my ship would do wonders between planets. I need to hear more stories like JeffM's bouncing from place to place having wild little adventures and moving on, I'm like 35-45 hours deep and I feel like i haven't had that familiar bethesda 'personal' even if its not really personal experience once I need to hear stories of how people justify setting up outposts or why anyone would scan anything on planets, stop to mine each mineral or stop on non-story planets anyway, I feel like I have infinite money to buy infinite materials and I'm somehow missing every single fun side quest people talk about. edit; in fact I had the exact opposite experience JeffM got to have on that western planet, I snuck in to stop the bank heist, bang bang bang the thieves die in one hit each, I walk out and the town hates me for some reason, I'm in a shootout with all the cops outside, half of them disappear, the rest of them just fall to a knee then a level 30 'the hunter' shows up, I kite him around the town walls before he teleports out(invisible?) as he's about to die then I walk back to the center of town and the sheriff I shotgunned in the face to a downed position is like "oh hey, thanks for stopping the bank heist"
Pro tip about stealth in Starfield. Take your space suit, pack and helmet off. It acts like heavy armor in previous Bethesda games and make too much noise. Maybe it’s a bug and will be fixed but just take off the space gear and you’ll be super stealthy if you have a point or 2 in the skill.
Jeff M nailed it for me when he talked about the double standard for Starfield. I’m not saying it’s a bad game or anything, but I do find it weird that it’s ok to defend Starfield with classic defenses that are not accepted for any other game. I have literally heard folks say “it really picks up a couple dozen hours in,” or Leo saying (obviously with hyperbole) “20,000 good things to do among 100,000 things to do” but we say any other game with half of that content is criticized for being too large in scope. I personally believe that the game had so much hype and excitement, that people clearly have rose tinted glasses, and would not allow the game to fail. But that is just my opinion of course.
Hard disagree on this. Most of the narrative surrounding Stardield is people putting g it down for things that other games get a pass on. Like plenty of games don't have seemless exploration. No one complained about it in Mass Effect for example. As for taking a couple dozen hours to get started, it doesn't really? It gets going from the start, it's just a quiet story at first not balls to the wall action. Whether you enjoy that or not is up to you, but it's interesting for those of us with actual attention spans. The 20,000 things to do isn't a bad thing. Those are the most front and centre things in the game and are done really well. Handcrafted content. The extras are just there if you want them to. Unlike say an Ubioft game they're not a thousand things you have to tick off a check list. The procedural bounty hunting quests or cargo hauling is all part of the world building, take jobs if you want. Be a cargo hauler, or don't if you don't enjoy it. The important thing is those aren't instead of hand written content like in Fallout 4
@jaxonu694 I was just disagreeing with the points made in this comment. Not the video. This guy made his point respectfully, and I like to think I made my rebuttal similarly.
The rush to NG+ is such a GAMER mentality, it's absurd. The game itself clearly presents NG+ as a choice to the player, and lays out both pros and cons about it. Whether to go through it should be meaningful and conscious. And the more you do before reaching the end, the heavier that choice feels. Of course internet narrative would ruin this huge role playing element, and only focus on the tiny power gain you get from NG+.
Personally, I think Starfield's main story and NG+ hits so much harder if you take your time and explore the world organically the first time through. Those "themes" are so much more impactful.
Don't rush, NG+ is not really that great and you lose a lot of world building from the sidequests. After rushing the main quest, you essentially "know too much", which impacts how you see the world. Rushing is really a weird gamer mentality, I don't know where it started but why is this the first game where there is such a big "rush to ng+" discussion? There are so many other games with NG+ and nobody tells you to rush it. Nobody said you should rush e.g. Elden Ring main story and skip all exploring.
Defending Haley here : I'm also not really into space, and I'm afraid to say it cuz people are gonna think I'm a freak. I do look at the night sky and the stars and say wow, I do think about the vastness of the universe, but most sci-fi stuff is boring to me, they rarely tap into that idea of infinity, otherwordliness and the unconceivable (which I guess is what I find alluring when I think about what's out there). I loved Mass Effect back in the day, but when I think about it now, it kinda feels like "pew pew with humanoids" (yes, I hate myself for saying that too)
I really like Starfield. I get that some people don't like it, but one of my favorites this year. I love the hard sci fi setting more than wastelands or fantasy worlds. The ways they play with gravity and some of the quest writing like "first contact" are delightful
@@SojiFro_0gravity does affect objects and weapons!. Grenades and thrown objects will float around differently depending on the gravity. I whiff frag grenades on low g planets quite frequently. The type of weapon you use in zero g will affect movement too. Some weapons will push you around shotguns, but laser weapons don't
I agree with Haley it's so cool that a game as big as Starfield can have everyone come away with such wildly different opinions on it. It shows that the game makes very bold design decisions that weren't going to gel with everyone and I applaud Bethesda for feeling comfortable making that choice. Personally loving the game.
I fast pathed the main quest in Starfield and I have no idea why anybody is recommending you do that, please don’t do that unless you want to play that way
@@SojiFro_0 but if I'm someone who enjoys role-playing in my first playthrough will I still be able to get this experience with some higher power shit going on? This is what makes me apprehensive to rush through. Not seen anything that waste of time yet though after 40 hours so thanks for the warning. So far it feels perfect for the audience it's aimed at. Not even got my first power yet lol.
@@Philpot1992 Telling your right now, new game plus is going reset all of your ships, cargo, money, weapons, and inventory. This is the fundamental reason why people are mainlining for their first playthrough, so that when they reset everything they can just take their time and role play and do whatever. As opposed to playing for 300+ hours doing all of the sidequests and building up your ship and bases etc only to have it all reset when you start NG+. You do get something when start NG+ but it’s not a power.
49:05 Where Jeff M is mentions there is A Boba Tea Level in Nour, Leo grabs his mic and gives such a subdued, unenthusiastic "nice". Idk why but that hit me so hard. lol.
I think most things Jeffm says about Starfield also apply to older bethesda titles, albeit to a greater degree in starfield. I felt way more immersion in roleplaying in skyrim than any other game, despite it not actually having a lot of "RPG" mechanics.
As far as Starfield goes, I'm enjoying it, mostly, but it feels like a rough draft of a much better game. Almost all of the systems feel like good ideas that never got beyond the first or second iteration. For example, I love the *idea* of the ship builder and having a million different parts and greebles to make weird stuff. But then the interface completely sucks (especially on console) and there's just too many damn rules the game doesn't tell you about so actually building a ship is more trouble than it's worth (Your docking module has to be on the outside of the ship. No, you can't put it *there*, it has to be connected to the main cabin. No, *that* cabin is too big, now your ship exceeds an arbitrary length. You need more landing gear. No, not *that* many landing gear). And call me crazy, but I find the main quest completely un-engaging. It really is the worst kind of navel-gazing, wannabe 2001 high-concept garbage. The powers you get from it aren't even that interesting. I really wish they'd focused much more on the actual universe they'd built instead. I actually think the situation they've set up between the factions could be pretty cool if you had to pick a side. Instead, the game is just totally cool with you joining both factions with absolutely no consequence. It's completely immersion breaking, especially when a bunch of NPCs make it clear how much the factions hate each other.
Great discussion on Starfield this week. Last week was such a dud with Janet complaining about it the entire time. I can’t imagine anyone enjoying last week’s discussion on Starfield
Such a great segment on Starfield. This is what I come to Minnmax to hear :) I haven't played the game myself but last week's discussion was just such a bummer! I'm all for critique but I prefer to focus on people who are really excited about a new game in a genre they love and can celebrate it and discuss the ins and outs in depth like Leo & JeffM here. That feels more like Minnmax to me. Fun > snark. Great show.
Yeah exactly. Just because the game isn't getting 10s across the board like ToTK, doesn't mean it's not just as awesome for many of us! It's more niche sure, but nwo we've got peoples critiques out of the way, why not focus on the people who are genuinely loving it!
Tooootally agree :) And would be nice to have focused on the love up front in my opinion. But I guess that could be general podcast scheduling.@@alexlyster3459
Yeah it was a real miss to have Janet talk about it last week. She clearly doesn’t enjoy Bethesda games and sounded like she blasted through the main story which is a horrible way to play a Bethesda game.
I'm in a similar boat to Leo on this one. I initially thought Starfield was my favorite Bethesda game since Oblivion, now I remember I Fallout 3 released between Oblivion and Starfield. I sill feel Starfield is their best game since Fallout 3, handsdown.
I recommend taking your time. You can rush to the end of the story if you want but you won't really appreciate all ng+ does without fully exploring the universe on your first run!
Actually; Overwatch 2 is worse than you think. After Cannelton canceling the campaign part of the game; Blizzard announced they would be bringing the first 3 story missions to the game. Then they tied it to the battle pass. For $5 more; you can play the story missions as many times as you wish, but... you have to spend the $10 on the battle pass first. I didn't pay the pass because it wasn't worth it for me to waste my money on it. But if I want to play the story; I now have to. It's greedy and wrong, and I refuse to play their games ever again. Overwatch is dead to me now
I mean there's definitely that but also they are trying to very different things. Baldur's Gate greatest strength is in its relationships and companions and personality where as Starfield is more of a broad space sim and its strengths lie in unexpected moments and interactions that occur through indulging your own curiosity. They scratch a different itch but coming from BG3 its understandable a lot of the companions can seem cold and surface level in Starfield but on the flipside in BG3 you cant hoard a bunch of potatoes on your ship so I think they service very different lanes.
I tried to get into skyrim but couldn't, the same for fallout. I went to my friends and played starfield and i can already tell its not for me so i guess i just dont like Bethesda games. Only mentioning this bc Haley on this ep mentioned chapters of their lives being separated by bethesda games so maybe mine is separated by how dissatisfied i am with each of them 🤣
58:08 tbh leo, i'm not an american and i wasn't really getting what you guys were talking about when discussing "911", and when i google it just showed the police. maybe because majority of the world doesn't use the mm-dd-yy. also, i don't really want to say that it's not tragic, but what happened in your country might not be known all that well to everyone in the world, let alone staying in their minds decades after the incident.
I'm still early in Starfield, but my biggest gripe is I feel like I'm not naturally seeing places to explore, like in ES/Fallout, because I'm just quick traveling everywhere instead of walking through the openworld.
The asinine hype about NG+ was ridiculous. Never been more disappointed than with the way Starfields stories ( not just the boring main campaign but all of the side stuff ) is just kind of o.k. Plot with bad dialog, annoying characters straight out of "stereotypical Video game cliche'101, and the MASSIVE plot holes and complete and utter lack of meaningful impact on the games universe. I won't spoil anything despite the game being so two months ago now. NG+ was a neat concept, completely ruined by #LowEffort and a lack of ability to even give a shit about their own game. Every time I hear people rave about it I wonder if they are morons or my game bugged out and all of My NG +++++++ were broken? Tell me this : aside from the two things you get that upgrade as you go onto more +++, is the only difference the first time you head to the lodge? As in wow A is slightly better and B is slightly better and man when I got to the Lodge it was different! And then everything after that is 100% the same? If NO, then My game broke. I feel like I wasted 200 hours
@@captain4318 oh I finished the first run in Like 100-120’ish. Keep in mind, I was nit in a hurry, had a TON of progress erasing bugs so I would guess around 15-20 hours of the 200 were going stuff again after a bug or crash resulted in a need to go to an older save. One great thing about NG+ is that the little pieces of a meteor that were ALWAYS surrounding my ship even on the ground disappeared LMAO. Also the floor in New Atlantas no longer had giant seems in it where I could fall under the map. 👍🏻 I had to completely restart the entire “Clone” questline due to a crash and also the “Alternate Universe” quest. I spent too much time exploring empty planets hoping to find some awesome cave with cool stuff. Never happened : (
I had to mod the crap out of Starfield just to get myself to enjoy it. The best part of the game is the looting and shooting, but there is so much in the game that slows down the experience to crawl, and it just doesn’t feel good. The encumbrance system feels bad, the skill tree padding feels bad, the O2/stamina mechanic feels bad, planet “exploration” feels bad… There are a few good missions but most of the little quests and sidequests you get are boring. Literally had a mission where the entire thing boiled down to me delivering a sandwich to someone. That’s it. It’s not a good game. It’s just OKAY. Seems like a lot of people are beginning to see it.
I respectfully disagree, this is probably the first Bethesda game I feel like I can play without needing any mods. It def has some issues that could be improved but the sheer ambition on display is rather impressive.
you can safely discard the opinion of anyone that chips into this game's discourse with "I don't see how people could dislike this game or think it isn't polished". such a myopic and defensive stance that it's insane to see people dig in their heels with it on this game with zero self-awareness. the people criticizing the game aren't saying it runs like trash for everyone and their mother, but so many of the people getting defensive over the game are essentially going "there are no issues with the game and it runs great" instead of just acknowledging that their personal experience was free of performance issues and bugs. the only person I've seen being reasonable about it is Bruce Greene from Inside Games, who didn't experience performance issues on his setup but acknowledged that that's just his personal experience, which bears no weight on the experience of people dealing with problems in this game. just in general, there's this very immature and pathetic tendency among fans of this game to act defensive, wounded, and entitled over having been "robbed" of a celebratory discourse around a game they enjoyed, like they just want the droves of people that are unimpressed with the game to go away or something. beyond childish, reminds me of Snyder fans.
@@guyincle126"Some" Xbox owners may be defensive. I own a used PlayStation so I can play some of the exclusives every now and then but usually never touch it. Xbox has been great for me personally especially since Gamepass and I'm a huge BGS fan so Starfield has been amazing for me also. It's really just about preferences and what you grew up playing. 😊 The toxicity and bullying are what always blows me away. It's so silly.
I'm totally on the same page as Haley with the "but it's in space" take. I'm immediately turned off any time a video game or movie is set in space. A midievil fantasy setting is much more appealing to me than sci-fi. My friends find it kind of odd because I'm an engineer and worked for the space agency of my country for 4 years...
Fortunately for folks like me, I get to love both. What’s better than having one amazing setting for games? Having two, or more. To me, it’s like limiting to yourself to just vanilla ice cream, or just chocolate. Not for me, give me all the flavors!
I didn't like starfield at first, it was not immersing me in the world, even though I am historically a fan of everything bethesda, particularly elder scrolls. Then I found a way to play starfield that I enjoy, I put it on mute so I don't have to hear the boring dialogue, put on a podcast or debate etc, and run around doing quests :)
39:05 .... Is he serious? If I had a stroke tomorrow and lost years of my memory: I'd still recognize the Creation Engine in all of its janky glory! 😂 Acting like Starfield is somehow so polished as to not resemble a Creation Engine product? That's just so detached from reality that IDK how to even respond to that.
I know this is an unpopular opinion but I wish Mass Effect 2 never happened. ME2 was no longer the space exploration RPG that the first game was. The sequel felt infinitely smaller by comparison. I detested the shooting mechanics as well because it lacked the RPG system the first game had. The entire game felt like a long uneventful side quest with mostly new underwhelming characters that are worse than the original. It was a regression. Then later Mass Effect 3 in my opinion was a disaster(drastically worse than ME2) and not because of the ending. I believe fans of the first game will understand my sentiments.
starfield an solid 5/10 souless rpg made by AI for toddlers, went from slaying dragons in skyrim and absorbing their soul to starfield going into temples and clicking white swirlies.... game is probably an 9 or higher in year or 2 when modders fix the base game ( no land vehicles in space LOL, walking simulation )
Hanson not knowing "whip" was a slang term for car, then later using it in conjunction with "slaps" and effectively making new slang for it - peak MinnMax.
Shortening whips ass to just whips is an old thing
Minnmax always comes to my feed on youtube, never tune in. Glad I tuned in, didn't want the Starfield conversation to end it was so good. The mirrored my view of the game.
Well that's all we can ask, thanks for checking it out.
We missed you Leo.
man was too busy making a masterpiece video
I’m realizing just how similar jeffm and i’s taste is in gaming. I’m enjoying Starfield for similar reasons, and I remember enjoying his thoughts on the horizon series
I love Haley on these so much, between her talking about Gunbrella to her having pages of notes about the Unity debacle and just having the ToS up and ready to read from it -- she's the BEST.
Thank you for mentioning the lack of accessibility options in Starfield. I haven't heard anyone talking about it, and the amount of options is embarrassing.
I feel like I'm more like Haleys explorer vs questy girl, when for years I thought I didn't care for 'exploration' but my biggest gripe remains how much of the space aspect of the game is loading screens and fast travel, a 30 second 'super mega space speed' zoom in my ship would do wonders between planets.
I need to hear more stories like JeffM's bouncing from place to place having wild little adventures and moving on, I'm like 35-45 hours deep and I feel like i haven't had that familiar bethesda 'personal' even if its not really personal experience once
I need to hear stories of how people justify setting up outposts or why anyone would scan anything on planets, stop to mine each mineral or stop on non-story planets anyway, I feel like I have infinite money to buy infinite materials and I'm somehow missing every single fun side quest people talk about.
edit; in fact I had the exact opposite experience JeffM got to have on that western planet, I snuck in to stop the bank heist, bang bang bang the thieves die in one hit each, I walk out and the town hates me for some reason, I'm in a shootout with all the cops outside, half of them disappear, the rest of them just fall to a knee then a level 30 'the hunter' shows up, I kite him around the town walls before he teleports out(invisible?) as he's about to die then I walk back to the center of town and the sheriff I shotgunned in the face to a downed position is like "oh hey, thanks for stopping the bank heist"
so glad to hear these lovely peoples thoughts on star field
Pro tip about stealth in Starfield. Take your space suit, pack and helmet off. It acts like heavy armor in previous Bethesda games and make too much noise. Maybe it’s a bug and will be fixed but just take off the space gear and you’ll be super stealthy if you have a point or 2 in the skill.
Leo, I've found stealth in Starfield is way better if you take off your spacesuit while you tiptoe around.
Jeff M nailed it for me when he talked about the double standard for Starfield. I’m not saying it’s a bad game or anything, but I do find it weird that it’s ok to defend Starfield with classic defenses that are not accepted for any other game. I have literally heard folks say “it really picks up a couple dozen hours in,” or Leo saying (obviously with hyperbole) “20,000 good things to do among 100,000 things to do” but we say any other game with half of that content is criticized for being too large in scope. I personally believe that the game had so much hype and excitement, that people clearly have rose tinted glasses, and would not allow the game to fail. But that is just my opinion of course.
Hard disagree on this. Most of the narrative surrounding Stardield is people putting g it down for things that other games get a pass on. Like plenty of games don't have seemless exploration. No one complained about it in Mass Effect for example.
As for taking a couple dozen hours to get started, it doesn't really? It gets going from the start, it's just a quiet story at first not balls to the wall action. Whether you enjoy that or not is up to you, but it's interesting for those of us with actual attention spans.
The 20,000 things to do isn't a bad thing. Those are the most front and centre things in the game and are done really well. Handcrafted content. The extras are just there if you want them to. Unlike say an Ubioft game they're not a thousand things you have to tick off a check list. The procedural bounty hunting quests or cargo hauling is all part of the world building, take jobs if you want. Be a cargo hauler, or don't if you don't enjoy it. The important thing is those aren't instead of hand written content like in Fallout 4
@@alexlyster3459they said they liked it and it's still not enough for you people?
@jaxonu694 I was just disagreeing with the points made in this comment. Not the video. This guy made his point respectfully, and I like to think I made my rebuttal similarly.
The rush to NG+ is such a GAMER mentality, it's absurd. The game itself clearly presents NG+ as a choice to the player, and lays out both pros and cons about it. Whether to go through it should be meaningful and conscious. And the more you do before reaching the end, the heavier that choice feels. Of course internet narrative would ruin this huge role playing element, and only focus on the tiny power gain you get from NG+.
Personally, I think Starfield's main story and NG+ hits so much harder if you take your time and explore the world organically the first time through. Those "themes" are so much more impactful.
Don't rush, NG+ is not really that great and you lose a lot of world building from the sidequests. After rushing the main quest, you essentially "know too much", which impacts how you see the world.
Rushing is really a weird gamer mentality, I don't know where it started but why is this the first game where there is such a big "rush to ng+" discussion? There are so many other games with NG+ and nobody tells you to rush it. Nobody said you should rush e.g. Elden Ring main story and skip all exploring.
Defending Haley here : I'm also not really into space, and I'm afraid to say it cuz people are gonna think I'm a freak.
I do look at the night sky and the stars and say wow, I do think about the vastness of the universe, but most sci-fi stuff is boring to me, they rarely tap into that idea of infinity, otherwordliness and the unconceivable (which I guess is what I find alluring when I think about what's out there). I loved Mass Effect back in the day, but when I think about it now, it kinda feels like "pew pew with humanoids" (yes, I hate myself for saying that too)
I really like Starfield. I get that some people don't like it, but one of my favorites this year.
I love the hard sci fi setting more than wastelands or fantasy worlds. The ways they play with gravity and some of the quest writing like "first contact" are delightful
Funny how gravity doesn’t affect your guns. Or throwing things. Just your jump. Bethesda style, baby.
@@SojiFro_0shooting different guns in 0 G is fun
@@SojiFro_0gravity does affect objects and weapons!. Grenades and thrown objects will float around differently depending on the gravity. I whiff frag grenades on low g planets quite frequently.
The type of weapon you use in zero g will affect movement too. Some weapons will push you around shotguns, but laser weapons don't
@@nc630 True, you’ll get pushed in zero G. Low G not so much.
Leo and jeffm eps are the best! Really enjoyed starfield discussion Jeffm crushed this ep! Keep it up brutha
I agree with Haley it's so cool that a game as big as Starfield can have everyone come away with such wildly different opinions on it. It shows that the game makes very bold design decisions that weren't going to gel with everyone and I applaud Bethesda for feeling comfortable making that choice. Personally loving the game.
Edited Space discussion at 21:20 is a perfect clip. Love the vibes y'all
I'm glad Gunbrella is on your radar! I played the demo and totally loved it.
Haley's been an awesome best add to this show. More Haley!!
Ohh. Great timing on this going up, just finished my dinner and watching your Nintendo Direct coverage....F-Zero multiplayer baby!!!!!
I love when Hanson tells us shit hes scared of or existential about
Hanson singing “that’s the bunghole” was really the highlight of this super long episode.
Just a heads-up the Spotify version isn't uploaded at this time.
Apologies, should be fixed now!
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No, need to apologize. Just wanna make sure yall was aware.
I fast pathed the main quest in Starfield and I have no idea why anybody is recommending you do that, please don’t do that unless you want to play that way
Because the vast majority of side missions are dull and you can always just do them in NG+.
@SojiRo23 what's better about doing then in new game plus?
If you go in blind and spend 12hrs on Krell or whatever that planet is called vs going to new atlantis.. id be pretty pissed
@@SojiFro_0 but if I'm someone who enjoys role-playing in my first playthrough will I still be able to get this experience with some higher power shit going on? This is what makes me apprehensive to rush through. Not seen anything that waste of time yet though after 40 hours so thanks for the warning. So far it feels perfect for the audience it's aimed at. Not even got my first power yet lol.
@@Philpot1992 Telling your right now, new game plus is going reset all of your ships, cargo, money, weapons, and inventory. This is the fundamental reason why people are mainlining for their first playthrough, so that when they reset everything they can just take their time and role play and do whatever. As opposed to playing for 300+ hours doing all of the sidequests and building up your ship and bases etc only to have it all reset when you start NG+. You do get something when start NG+ but it’s not a power.
JeffM literally described the perfect bomberman game
Where is the discussion around Unity, or did it get edited out?
It's around 1:53:00, it's kicked off from a community question
Not seeing it in the podcast feed :'(
Apologies, it should be in there now!
@@minnmax it is! Thanks for always being so responsive
49:05 Where Jeff M is mentions there is A Boba Tea Level in Nour, Leo grabs his mic and gives such a subdued, unenthusiastic "nice". Idk why but that hit me so hard. lol.
I got served the Ever Crisis ad that Ben mentioned as a mid roll ad on this video lol
I think most things Jeffm says about Starfield also apply to older bethesda titles, albeit to a greater degree in starfield. I felt way more immersion in roleplaying in skyrim than any other game, despite it not actually having a lot of "RPG" mechanics.
I left that entire Starfield Conversation with the inpression Starfield did RPG better than Cyberpunk 2077 lol.
Great game tho
Shout out to JeffM to echo that listener feedback. Crushing it!
As far as Starfield goes, I'm enjoying it, mostly, but it feels like a rough draft of a much better game. Almost all of the systems feel like good ideas that never got beyond the first or second iteration. For example, I love the *idea* of the ship builder and having a million different parts and greebles to make weird stuff. But then the interface completely sucks (especially on console) and there's just too many damn rules the game doesn't tell you about so actually building a ship is more trouble than it's worth (Your docking module has to be on the outside of the ship. No, you can't put it *there*, it has to be connected to the main cabin. No, *that* cabin is too big, now your ship exceeds an arbitrary length. You need more landing gear. No, not *that* many landing gear).
And call me crazy, but I find the main quest completely un-engaging. It really is the worst kind of navel-gazing, wannabe 2001 high-concept garbage. The powers you get from it aren't even that interesting. I really wish they'd focused much more on the actual universe they'd built instead. I actually think the situation they've set up between the factions could be pretty cool if you had to pick a side. Instead, the game is just totally cool with you joining both factions with absolutely no consequence. It's completely immersion breaking, especially when a bunch of NPCs make it clear how much the factions hate each other.
Great discussion on Starfield this week. Last week was such a dud with Janet complaining about it the entire time. I can’t imagine anyone enjoying last week’s discussion on Starfield
"Tren" means "train" in Spanish you chuckleheads :)
Such a great segment on Starfield. This is what I come to Minnmax to hear :) I haven't played the game myself but last week's discussion was just such a bummer! I'm all for critique but I prefer to focus on people who are really excited about a new game in a genre they love and can celebrate it and discuss the ins and outs in depth like Leo & JeffM here. That feels more like Minnmax to me. Fun > snark. Great show.
Yeah exactly. Just because the game isn't getting 10s across the board like ToTK, doesn't mean it's not just as awesome for many of us! It's more niche sure, but nwo we've got peoples critiques out of the way, why not focus on the people who are genuinely loving it!
Tooootally agree :) And would be nice to have focused on the love up front in my opinion. But I guess that could be general podcast scheduling.@@alexlyster3459
Yeah it was a real miss to have Janet talk about it last week. She clearly doesn’t enjoy Bethesda games and sounded like she blasted through the main story which is a horrible way to play a Bethesda game.
I did the starfield new game plus, and it's essential to the experience. Not that you NEED to rush it, but just make sure you do it
100% agree with the Jeff stream comment. Very nice stream to watch. Keep them coming. The starfield one is especially good.
I'm in a similar boat to Leo on this one. I initially thought Starfield was my favorite Bethesda game since Oblivion, now I remember I Fallout 3 released between Oblivion and Starfield. I sill feel Starfield is their best game since Fallout 3, handsdown.
I recommend taking your time. You can rush to the end of the story if you want but you won't really appreciate all ng+ does without fully exploring the universe on your first run!
Actually; Overwatch 2 is worse than you think. After Cannelton canceling the campaign part of the game; Blizzard announced they would be bringing the first 3 story missions to the game. Then they tied it to the battle pass. For $5 more; you can play the story missions as many times as you wish, but... you have to spend the $10 on the battle pass first. I didn't pay the pass because it wasn't worth it for me to waste my money on it. But if I want to play the story; I now have to. It's greedy and wrong, and I refuse to play their games ever again. Overwatch is dead to me now
Stealth is there got to take off your heavy space suit and go alone.
Sepp Kuss deserves to win the Vuelta.
Hey :) 🎉
Hanson putting together underrated Boba pun 50:05
I tried Starfield and couldn't get into it. Maybe I'll try again later but right now Sea of Stars has me hooked.
The way JeffM talks about Starfield, I bet he'd like Red Dead Redemption 2 a lot...
Great show
Jeff M’s example that he’s roleplaying and living in his character more is that he’s killing more people.
Im grateful for Starfield for reminding me I enjoy quality over quantity. Made me pick up Kingdom Come again and enjoy the heck out of it
"Best 2-D Game this year" is uncontested in a year with Pizza Tower
26:08 simulation sickness the worst. Makes you nauseous and feel so uneasy. Jak would mess me up bad as a kid 😅
I hope the continuation of New Show Plus next week is Haley ranting about Unity.
WAS THAT THE JUNK DEALER DANCING IN THE NEW FF REBIRTH TRAILER?!
One of the best game insults has to be when Disco Elysium tells you your copotype is sorry cop.
I wonder if Starfield’s obvious flaws would be less stark if they hadn’t released it mere weeks after the Greatest RPG Of All Time(tm)?
I mean there's definitely that but also they are trying to very different things. Baldur's Gate greatest strength is in its relationships and companions and personality where as Starfield is more of a broad space sim and its strengths lie in unexpected moments and interactions that occur through indulging your own curiosity. They scratch a different itch but coming from BG3 its understandable a lot of the companions can seem cold and surface level in Starfield but on the flipside in BG3 you cant hoard a bunch of potatoes on your ship so I think they service very different lanes.
I am with Haley. Not a big fan of space. I do like Starfield and Outer Worlds a lot. Oh, I do love Galaxy Quest and Space Balls.
Leo!!!!
More than anything I have missed cameos of Leo's cats
I tried to get into skyrim but couldn't, the same for fallout. I went to my friends and played starfield and i can already tell its not for me so i guess i just dont like Bethesda games.
Only mentioning this bc Haley on this ep mentioned chapters of their lives being separated by bethesda games so maybe mine is separated by how dissatisfied i am with each of them 🤣
They made an exploration game, and forgot the exploration
Americans need to understand that the numbers 9 1 1 can and do mean other things to other people.
You can kill anyone in the outerworlds which was a big selling point for me at the time.
asking jeff if hell finish totk was hilarious
22:40 Firefly? Cowboy bebop? Expanse? BSG? A billion shows from the 90s probably.
JeffM, finish RDR2 you coward!
58:08 tbh leo, i'm not an american and i wasn't really getting what you guys were talking about when discussing "911", and when i google it just showed the police. maybe because majority of the world doesn't use the mm-dd-yy. also, i don't really want to say that it's not tragic, but what happened in your country might not be known all that well to everyone in the world, let alone staying in their minds decades after the incident.
2:03:43 god dang it Leo you're hilarious
I'm still early in Starfield, but my biggest gripe is I feel like I'm not naturally seeing places to explore, like in ES/Fallout, because I'm just quick traveling everywhere instead of walking through the openworld.
How are you supposed to walk around space ?
@joegarcia4195 You walk around planets. They should have fewer planets and make them more meaningful to traverse.
Have more kids for more time off to play Sp!ng? Wouldn't that be offsp!ng?
Correct. That would be Offsp!ng.
The asinine hype about NG+ was ridiculous. Never been more disappointed than with the way Starfields stories ( not just the boring main campaign but all of the side stuff ) is just kind of o.k. Plot with bad dialog, annoying characters straight out of "stereotypical Video game cliche'101, and the MASSIVE plot holes and complete and utter lack of meaningful impact on the games universe. I won't spoil anything despite the game being so two months ago now.
NG+ was a neat concept, completely ruined by #LowEffort and a lack of ability to even give a shit about their own game. Every time I hear people rave about it I wonder if they are morons or my game bugged out and all of My NG +++++++ were broken?
Tell me this : aside from the two things you get that upgrade as you go onto more +++, is the only difference the first time you head to the lodge? As in wow A is slightly better and B is slightly better and man when I got to the Lodge it was different! And then everything after that is 100% the same? If NO, then My game broke.
I feel like I wasted 200 hours
I don't think you "wasted" 200 hours to see NG+. Man, you must have been enjoying the hell out of it to take that long with your first run lmao.
@@captain4318 oh I finished the first run in Like 100-120’ish. Keep in mind, I was nit in a hurry, had a TON of progress erasing bugs so I would guess around 15-20 hours of the 200 were going stuff again after a bug or crash resulted in a need to go to an older save. One great thing about NG+ is that the little pieces of a meteor that were ALWAYS surrounding my ship even on the ground disappeared LMAO.
Also the floor in New Atlantas no longer had giant seems in it where I could fall under the map. 👍🏻
I had to completely restart the entire “Clone” questline due to a crash and also the “Alternate Universe” quest.
I spent too much time exploring empty planets hoping to find some awesome cave with cool stuff. Never happened : (
Mr Yuck is mean, Mr Yuck is green. 🤢
Why are they hyping up starfield new game lmao
I had to mod the crap out of Starfield just to get myself to enjoy it.
The best part of the game is the looting and shooting, but there is so much in the game that slows down the experience to crawl, and it just doesn’t feel good.
The encumbrance system feels bad, the skill tree padding feels bad, the O2/stamina mechanic feels bad, planet “exploration” feels bad…
There are a few good missions but most of the little quests and sidequests you get are boring. Literally had a mission where the entire thing boiled down to me delivering a sandwich to someone. That’s it.
It’s not a good game. It’s just OKAY. Seems like a lot of people are beginning to see it.
I respectfully disagree, this is probably the first Bethesda game I feel like I can play without needing any mods.
It def has some issues that could be improved but the sheer ambition on display is rather impressive.
you can safely discard the opinion of anyone that chips into this game's discourse with "I don't see how people could dislike this game or think it isn't polished". such a myopic and defensive stance that it's insane to see people dig in their heels with it on this game with zero self-awareness.
the people criticizing the game aren't saying it runs like trash for everyone and their mother, but so many of the people getting defensive over the game are essentially going "there are no issues with the game and it runs great" instead of just acknowledging that their personal experience was free of performance issues and bugs. the only person I've seen being reasonable about it is Bruce Greene from Inside Games, who didn't experience performance issues on his setup but acknowledged that that's just his personal experience, which bears no weight on the experience of people dealing with problems in this game.
just in general, there's this very immature and pathetic tendency among fans of this game to act defensive, wounded, and entitled over having been "robbed" of a celebratory discourse around a game they enjoyed, like they just want the droves of people that are unimpressed with the game to go away or something. beyond childish, reminds me of Snyder fans.
@@guyincle126"Some" Xbox owners may be defensive. I own a used PlayStation so I can play some of the exclusives every now and then but usually never touch it. Xbox has been great for me personally especially since Gamepass and I'm a huge BGS fan so Starfield has been amazing for me also. It's really just about preferences and what you grew up playing. 😊
The toxicity and bullying are what always blows me away. It's so silly.
I'm totally on the same page as Haley with the "but it's in space" take. I'm immediately turned off any time a video game or movie is set in space. A midievil fantasy setting is much more appealing to me than sci-fi. My friends find it kind of odd because I'm an engineer and worked for the space agency of my country for 4 years...
Fortunately for folks like me, I get to love both. What’s better than having one amazing setting for games? Having two, or more. To me, it’s like limiting to yourself to just vanilla ice cream, or just chocolate. Not for me, give me all the flavors!
I didn't like starfield at first, it was not immersing me in the world, even though I am historically a fan of everything bethesda, particularly elder scrolls.
Then I found a way to play starfield that I enjoy, I put it on mute so I don't have to hear the boring dialogue, put on a podcast or debate etc, and run around doing quests :)
“Excessive mediocrity” is Bethesda to a tee.
39:05 .... Is he serious? If I had a stroke tomorrow and lost years of my memory: I'd still recognize the Creation Engine in all of its janky glory! 😂
Acting like Starfield is somehow so polished as to not resemble a Creation Engine product? That's just so detached from reality that IDK how to even respond to that.
I know this is an unpopular opinion but I wish Mass Effect 2 never happened. ME2 was no longer the space exploration RPG that the first game was. The sequel felt infinitely smaller by comparison. I detested the shooting mechanics as well because it lacked the RPG system the first game had. The entire game felt like a long uneventful side quest with mostly new underwhelming characters that are worse than the original. It was a regression.
Then later Mass Effect 3 in my opinion was a disaster(drastically worse than ME2) and not because of the ending. I believe fans of the first game will understand my sentiments.
starfield an solid 5/10 souless rpg made by AI for toddlers, went from slaying dragons in skyrim and absorbing their soul to starfield going into temples and clicking white swirlies....
game is probably an 9 or higher in year or 2 when modders fix the base game ( no land vehicles in space LOL, walking simulation )
Please no JeffM and Kyle on the FF7 Rebirth Deepest Dive. Ben, Ronnie and Grant is the perfect group.
There are no wildly divergent opinions there are genuine reviewers and haters - starfield is not flawless - but sony ponies are infantile.