How Much is Too Much? Offroad Vehicles Price Showdown & Top Picks!
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- Опубліковано 18 гру 2023
- Luke, AJ and Mike highlight their top offroad picks for the season and then sit down to debate the seemingly ever-increasing price of off-road vehicles and how the market is reacting. Some frustration gets vented and some jokes get told, but as always it's a good time.
#ATV #UTV #offroad #offroading #dirttraxtv
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Once they started going over 20 grand I said no way will I ever spend that much on a thing that I cannot register for the road and drive to work lol
Exactly
I love this open talk, keep doing them. It's great to watch your scripted stuff, but this open discussion is honest speaking and conversational like us guys would talk on a trail pit stop
Appreciate that! 🙏
I like this too
The reason these things are overpriced is because people keep paying the price and the same goes for new cars, trucks, ect.. I personally will never ever give the kind of money they get for any of this stuff! These things cost more than my house did!
That and the fact over 90% of people Finance them.
I usually buy full-size trucks but when I bought a truck this year I stepped down to the canyon at4 it’s great does everything I need but 52 k on a midsize prices are nuts
Yeah and unless you're unskilled or borderline moron, you make more than when you bought your house.
Think it's too much, don't buy one, it's not a necessity.
@@chapp-1e564and paid what a full size cost. Or long ago
@@mikepaulson6154 this
I can definitely tell you that all of my local dealers are starting to pile up inventory and are also offering deals
The cost of these are definitely out of reach for the average person. Somebody making 40-50k a year, isn't buying a toy that costs as much as they make.
No, they're probably buying something that fits their budget. Not everyone can afford a Ferrari, so we get something cool that we can afford.
@@dirttraxtv this is probably the best reply for 95% of the comments on your videos!
These days, someone making 50k isn't likely to buy one at all, let alone one that's 50 grand.
Get it on credit and feel like a celebrity wheeling around… for some it is absolutely intoxication to have others compliment your rig
@@davedarling6512 very true! Maximum snowmobile trail speed here is 45mph but there’s guys buying sidewinders just to be the coolest on the trail and fastest down the lake. I’m in the market for a 450-500 class ATV as that speed limit is even lower.
6 months ago I got laughed at offering 35k OTD for a Pro R Premium. That same unit is still on the dealer lot now with a 7k discount, discounts aren’t moving much.
You offered too much.
I did, but woke up after they laughed at the offer.
To comment on the what we should be complaining about... the entry prices.
I mentioned it on another video, Polaris upped the base 850 HL by thousands. It is now priced where the 1000 HL was and it's only update has been adding the newer, but still old display.
There is zero justification for upping the price $3500.
And the 850 touring got arched A-arms, also for $3500.
Which these prices are at least double the inflation rate.
Thanks for a great season guys! The videos this year were, again, first class! We appreciate all the work you guys do to provide us with excellent content! Luckily we have Snowtrax for the winter months!!! Merry Christmas and we’ll see ya in 2024! 🍻
Appreciate that very much! Merry Christmas to you!! 🎄🎅🎁❄
I'll be very interested to see what happens when screens start to fail as they age or get damaged and leave people stranded in the backcountry. I think the industry (and those just starting in powersports) has/have lost sight of fun in exchange for creature comforts and allowing more inexperienced riders the comfort and ability to put themselves in more dangerous situations.
As an experienced rider, I actually like all the screens and creature comfort (and added functions) in my 4-seat SxS. However, I did accrue 90% of my riding experience years before all these screens were being put in. It will ABSOLUTELY distract you, and that's objectively dangerous. It's even more so for those with less experience.
What people ought to do, is, NOT PAY THE HIGH PRICES FOR THESE MACHINES. It’s getting RIDICULOUS
So simple!
Nice video - riding styles and endurance on the body, as well get older, we feel the bumps and our grins become frowns when we finally get to relax back home. Cheers and have a great festive season.
As usual you guys are right on point……but 50K for a SXS is crazy,look at sleds and everything else
Appreciate that. Hoping for a market correction in the near future. Not a market collapse or anything like that, but just some rational pricing for these machines. That'd be wonderful.
I think what bothers me more than the Greedy prices is the fact that the average guy can’t afford them.
10-15 years ago, your average working guy/gal could afford the average Atv or SxS and not have to settle for the budget level.
Prices have skyrocketed, but salaries have only creeped up slightly.
Sure there’s loads of rich guys buying gold plated ohv’s but those guys aren’t paying their employees enough to afford the tires on one.
Its not overpriced if they sell them all. All of the manufacturers have vehicles at all different price levels. Not everyone can afford a Cadillac, some of us have to drive Hyundais and that's ok. Just like most people never use their car/truck/suv to its full capability/capacity, there are a lot of people buying a lot more atv/sxs than they really need. Anyone can afford anything, just depends on how you prioritize everything.
@@Hammy16 Well said.
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@@Hammy16 I think you missed the point of the OP. The AVERAGE ATV price is through the roof right now. Not just the upper end. You literally would have to be in the top 10% income earners to reasonably afford a $30k UTV. There no longer the $15k options anymore that were attainable to the top 40 to 30% of earners. The point is a significant amount of the market is priced out.
@@frostman9661 sure the average of the market is creeping higher, but there are still plenty of options in the $15k USD MSRP range. Yamaha Wolverine X2 850. Honda pioneer 700 starts under $12k. Polaris RZR Trail, Can-Am Maverick Trail, Can Am Commander just over $15k starting. Ranger 1000, with the Ranger 570 and Can Am Defender starting even lower. Arctic Cat Prowler Pro. Two-seat Tracker 800 LE at Cabela’s/Bass Pro for under $15k. CF Moto Zforce 950 HO EX is $15,799 and that’s the most expensive starting price in their lineup. The 6 passenger UForce 1000 is even less. Sure, you’re not necessarily getting the fastest, most powerful models, but to say that with $15k you can’t go buy a new SxS is just false.
Awesome content as per usual. Marry Christmas Dirt Trax TV 🍻
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Dealerships in my region aren’t empty anymore. Not much selling in my region, especially not the $40k plus machines….
I have a dealership doing everything they can to sell me a Polaris sportsman, they knocked a ton off the price but I’m not ready just yet, looking at the can am 1k models
Gonna see these prices come down soon I feel.
Full size truck prices for a plastic 2cyl off road buggy. Want a radio? Extra. windows? Extra. Reminds me of the mountain bike$ vs motorcycle$ debate.
Already seeing some solid discounts anywhere between 2-4k. Dealers are sitting on inventory now as people tighten their belts.
Yeah, interest rates are still high so the financing isn't as appealing.
The dealership that I buy all my stuff from is absolutely packed to doors, seriously their showroom is a maze to navigate, they have more inventory than they can sell and the salesman that I work with on all my purchases told me their warehouse (separate, massive storage building) is completely packed and they don’t have room for the new machines coming in.
I’m looking at a new ATV, 1k cc and I like the can am (which they don’t sell at this dealership) and they are trying to get me in a sportsman 1k for thousands off MSRP
Nah, as a grizzly owner if you really want 1k cc machine, go canam.
Totally agree with Mike on the Xpedition. We all complain about price anymore and rightly so. Only my opinion but it just feels like marketing decided they needed a machine to sell at a $45,000 USD price point. Then R&D put something together that fit the bill. Seeing one in person it’s unmistakably a Polaris machine. Basically the same fit and finish as the newer Ranger, RZR, General or even Sportsman. Again only my opinion.
I'm with ya there! 💯
I think people seem to forget the the more you move up in price, the features go up with it. Radio, navigation and adjustability. The issue really is base models. The “no frills” market has creeped up and almost to the point where you might as well spend the extra money. The ideology that if people stop buying the premium models, the manufacturers will have to come down in price needs to end. There will always be a premium; super high-end market. The difference now is the availability of technology. The market itself has evolved greatly over the last 10 years.
Awesome chat, great points and totally agree with the lower budget vehicles need more of them. Expedition should have had the 1500cc and steel belt drive for that kind of money. And yes heated seats.
Agreed 💯
Actually, you don’t want that setup in the expedition. It’s better for heavy duty work, but not for a recreational SXS at all. it SHOULD have had the lower horsepower turbo motor. It could use more power for sure.
@@pavmentsurfer13 I still the 1500 would be ideal, it’s quieter running (biggest complaint right now is cab noise) has the low end torque for all the heavy gear and when your 2-300 miles into your camp site you don’t want to change a belt. It’s looks extremely difficult to change. Plus when you’re exploring new trails getting your belt wet is that last thing you want. Can ruin a trip quick.
On the pricing, I was at a dealer yesterday who has 3 XD 1500s available. Xpeditions are not selling especially non cab models. So to say they are flying off the shelves maybe in select markets. Innovators in the product cycle who have to have the first of anything yes they will pay the price tag. Long term these MSRPs may be feasible 5+ years from now when OEMs add more from the factory. Just my 2 cents.
Same where I am they have 5 down the road from me and they had them sitting for a while
Appreciate your comment!
The recreational power sports market is going to encounter the same problem Harley Davidson has, an aging buyer demographic. I'm a Gen Xer who owns or has owned boats, sleds, motorcycles and so have all of my friends. The high dollar price point has talking point around camp fires and in garages and my buddies seem more inclined to save for retirement or help their kids out vs finance high dollar toys!
Plenty of grandpas with money to burn are buying these nice rigs to tool around in with the grandkids.. only time will tell if the next generation will tolerate the expense
I switched this year to cfmoto uforce 1000xl from a 2018 mule pro fxt and i am blown away by the uforce xl..had a little problem in the beginning but its been rock solid since!! I was turned on to the brand by this show and your review of it a few years ago!
We are going to
Watch a market correction for 24 dealers are getting a lot of inventory this season
I have 2 and looking back at the money spent.....I should have just built a prerunner.
Toys...gotta love'em.
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never miss a episode as ive watched for yrs n when you guys were on tv but on that note the price of some of these utvs are getting ridiculous im not gonna pay the same price as i can buy a new suv or truck for its getting stupid or i guess they only wanna sell to the rich and not the working people i hope these makers find out like harley is now with %37 less in sales polaris and can am n cfmoto are taking 2000 to 7 grand off sidexsides in the u.s
I’m in the market for a side by side and I know what u mean about price!!!😎💪🙏🇺🇸
@@edwardstroko4665 ive been looking at the cfmoto cause there cheaper plus they are partnered with ktm now im in iowa but ive found the biggest discounts over in decatur illinois at world powersports big discounts on all brands
Preach, brother! With ya on this!!
If Polaris wants truck prices I want truck reliability and warranty. 50k otd for an xpedition and I have to do clutch overhauls after 2500 miles. No thanks
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A sxs that will probably be wore out by 10k miles, doesnt cost more to make, than a truck or suv that will last 200-300k miles. They are that expensive because people buy them anyway. I rely heavily on atvs and sxs's. I use them everyday from work to fun, it will be a cold day in you know where before i ever pay those high prices. We have north star edition rangers where i work, and belive me, they aint woth 40 grand. The heated cab is nice, but i can live without all the rest easily. The ones we have right now have around 5k miles and are wore slap out, they stay broke down and ours never get off construction sites and roads.
Great video guys! I personally think some of these side by sides are way over priced- like the new Polaris Expedition. It might be a good machine, but for the price you could buy a few used Jeeps or something similar to beat up in the woods and then replace it when it gets broken. Prices are just going to increase, which is unfortunate.
Thanks and appreciate you taking the time to comment!
The number of people who have the ability and inclination to keep a few old jeeps running grows smaller every year.
As long as they keep offering credit these machines will move.
I worked at a dealer in the 80's ,sold thousands of honda atc 200s at 999 dollars...remember when the foreman first came out,,sold alot of those too,,great times
Aint gonna lie, Im pulling up to this table on a base model Sportsman 450 or CForce 500 budget.😂
And drive the heck out of it, brother!! 😂
Want more stuff like this. The reviews are fun and all but gotta diversify
Noted!
Sounds like the economy in Canada must be a lot better than in the U.S. Here in Ohio every single one of my local dealers are absolutely packed full of inventory. The local powerhouse dealer has 11 expeditions in stock right now. They just are not selling. Polaris missed the mark big time on them they just aren’t worth the money. The xp1k drivetrain and gearing is just not a good fit for a fully enclosed utv they are insanely loud inside the cab!
Ummm… not loud inside the cab at all. Don’t know where you got that from. The problem isn’t Polaris missing the mark. The problem is that when Polaris designed the Xpedition, the market was booming and you couldn’t get a SXS anywhere. It’s not their fault the economy is tanking pretty hard. Suggesting that the reason they aren’t selling right NOW is because no one wants one isn’t accurate at all. The problem is that no one can afford one now that interest rates have gone up 5 points and cost of living is through the roof. If the Xpedition came out 2 years earlier, we’d all be praising it as a huge success.
The market is starting to crash in my area
Prices gotta come down.
I’m in full agreement with I don’t have to buy one so charge as much as they want. I couldn’t care less. A friend of mine used to say bottled water was more than gas to which I replied “I don’t need to buy water.” Anyway I see showrooms starting to look precovid in inventory. Plus low interest rate loans being offered by manufacturers. The times they are a changing. Back to a buyers market. It’s cyclical.
Can am nailed it on the head with the Commander 700 for an amazing budget UTV with crazy accessory capabilities. Been wanting to upgrade my x3 Max to a maverick R but need 4 doors.
4 door is coming... some of the leaked videos had a 4 seater hiding the background. i think can am was testing the market first and seeing if there were any issues to resolve before releasing more models
enrty level machines should come down to keep people able to get into off roading. cf moto's are climbing up there now 10k after taxes for a 400 cc.
Dealers in MN are over saturated with unsold sxs with huge rebates currently.
I just bought a new 2024 rzr xp and honestly i personally really love this machine it does everything phenomenally and i don't really need a turbo for what i ride not to mention it has plenty enough power anyways
It's a great machine!
Hey ! I think you guys are totally correct, the price of the machines have gone way way up, but the dealers are selling them all, so why would they ever drop price? they make it so easy to take the machine out on payments over 5,6,7+ years, which anyone with half a brain will know how much interest you'll be paying and do you think that machine with last that long? I personally dont think people understand the interest rates at all to be honest or just dont care, they want what they want.
The ONLY way those price drops is if people stop buying them, but in our consumer driven society where they have you thinking you "Need" the biggest baddest machine, they will sell them all. Like you said I can see it dropping a bit but not a lot.
well come my way. the lots are not empty. fuller than they ever have been. i'll take a pontoon boat though, rent that at 1k a week!
The reason people complain about the crazy 50k machines, is because they do sell and there is obviously more mark up on them!! So why would a company keep making a budget 8k machine with little mark up when they make way more on an expensive machine
So these expensive machines literally take away budget options for entry level buyers
Dealerships in Manitoba are slowly getting full again. Yes they’re still selling but I’ve never seen so many machines on the lots of every dealership. So prices won’t go down but I’m sure they will sell machines with more accessories without extra cost. They’ll need to work with accessories and interest rates.
Polaris and refinement cannot be used in the same sentence. That expedition is a complete joke at that price point and they still don’t include there “high end off road attachments”
Don't know what dealers you guys go to, but here in Arizona there almost isn't walking room since they aren't hardly selling.
I don’t remember you doing a full on in depth review of the 3 seat Ranger 1500, I know you did the walk around video but id like to see the full review
We did two videos on it earlier this season.
HAA! Don't Ever Do That Again! I almost spit out my coffee!😂
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I'm the guy who can afford any of these but refuses to buy one because I have a brain between my ears. The prices are double what they should be considering the horrible reliability/longevity as well as underwhelming fit and finish.
if you have 45k to spend on the toys go buy 4 raptors for you and 3 of your favorite freinds. you will have way more fun doing that than the 4 of you sitting in the ADV togethor and isnt that the point! :) Polaris missed the mark on refinement on the ADV. you cant drive around at 93 db all day when that is meant for long distance cruising for your family. cold air blowing inside the cab through the gear shifter, not heated seats ect.. Yes i can afford it. i went to buy it but after checking it out i was really disappointed in the fit and finish for the cost. I feel like i get the same thing from my wolverine x4 that is all enclosed for half the price. except i could actually talk to my wife while driving that. I was really excited about that vehicle, maybe Can Am will learn from Polaris mistakes and make a better version.
Exactly what I'm saying 👍
The manufacturer shoud have "classic" edition. Just like RAM has in its line up. Chevy did that too a couple of time.
You buy a rig that is on point and there's parts everywhere!
RZR XP, Mav X3 etc.
That would keep the chinese low volume.
The X2 1000 is a good example.
Priceing will kill the industry eventually, snowmobile sales are 25% of what they were years ago. Yes snow conditions have a part to do with that, but I believe prices are the largest factor
The key here is can I as a consumer justify the cost associated to certain models. This can also be described as value. A lot of these new models are just over priced. Yes there’s new tech and inflation, BUT they’re using it as a Segway to inflating their profits. Sure, can’t afford it then don’t buy it. Then who are these side by sides for? I’m a family man with wiggle room. I just picked up a nice 2023 Polaris General XP4 premium. It cost me 20k less than the expedition that, in my opinion, is 85% of what that vehicle is. I get my family out and enjoy what the bush offers. Now, tell me it’s got nothing to do with inflated profits. And you guys nailed it, the budget friendly options don’t really exist and the manufacturers are justifying the “budget” prices by trailing the prices of these top end models. Trucks are no different! Corporate greed at its finest, knowing what consumers are used to having these days.
6:11 when I think of Hyundai or Kia I think wow, you are just a USB cable and a Internet challenge away from having your car stolen! Sad but true
The fear over price industry price, for normies like myself, is that we are actively seeing base models go away. Polaris is guilty of this with the sportsman ATVs. There is no true base model 1000 anymore. Nothing wrong with the bleeding edge costing more, but companies shifting away from producing a base model at all is a slippery slope to go down. It's part of what caused GM and Chrysler to go under. Now that being said, make no mistake, I have no issue with the ultra expensive models, they exist for a reason. People snatch them up immediately.
My boss actually does own a ranger Northstar and puts over 100 miles a ride on it. I know quite a few older guys who do just that lol. So trust me the ranger guys do go quite aways, they buy them because they're the only real sealed option from polaris. The expedition would be if it wasn't so loud inside
Fair enough!
@@dirttraxtv I never would've thought that myself until i seen it in the last few years. The older guys i see with them put over 5k miles on them in less than a year.
Where are you getting that it’s loud inside. I did a ride with my family and we were talking easily inside WITH our helmets on. It’s actually pretty quiet inside.
@@pavmentsurfer13 everyone that's reviewed it has said it's loud inside and done decibel tests on it. Considering i have the new 24 xp with the same motor, it's definitely louder than older models.
It doesn't personally bother me so much but it does the older guys.
I would rather buy the new Tacoma 4x4 than the Electric Polaris Ranger for the same money
That’s like saying you’d rather buy a lawn tractor than a backhoe. They aren’t even remotely comparable.
Whoever says Powersports isn’t overpriced can do some homework and see what’s going on. BRP has been taking record losses, Polaris can’t give their stuff away, even w huge rebates. Times are changing and hopefully prices drop so we can start buying stuff again. I can def afford it but I refuse to bow to pure greed from the manufacturers. The same goes to auto manufacturers etc…. I used to be the guy who had 2 of everything. Now I’ve downsized to 1 of and focused on motorcycles for the time being, longer riding season and still reasonably priced for what you get.
The expedition is a truck you can’t take your family on a multi state holiday
For the kind of money they're charging for the higher end models I'll go buy a car or truck. I just don't see the bang for the buck. Yes they sell every one but it's because the lenders are getting lax again in their lending and/or increasing term lengths.
An electric Ranger that's CDN$30k over a gas powered UTV is a number that sure buys a heck of a lot of gas. As a farmer I just don't see buying electric since everything else here is gas or diesel. CDN$50k is too much.
Should do a video with the brute force 300 VS the outlander 500 2WD
I can't speak for the Canadian market but as far as the US market when everybody was getting their COVID paychecks and going out and blowing the money that is when you seen the prices of items skyrocket. Once the money has finally flushed out The market will start to get back to some type of reality. Unfortunately as long as you can finance and ATV for 72 plus months the prices will continue more than likely. I'm afraid and the next 4 to 5 years we'll start to see 120 month finance options for items like these. For the longest time I couldn't understand how people could afford six-figure boats until I finally went to purchase one and when the guy gave me my monthly payment I was blown away and how small it was then I realized he had me financed for 20 years. I kind of chuckled and I looked at the guy and I said I'm good bud I'm not making payments for 20 years on something that will be worth maybe an eighth of that price by the time it's paid off.
But it finally made sense how people were able to walk into a store and walk out with 150,000 boat on a $40,000 a year income. Not too bright in my opinion.
So I bought a 24 1000 ranger XP Northstar Ultimatecrew cab. Yes I spent an insane amount of money on it . Got it in the end of august and I'm allready pushing into 1000 miles on it. I run a cattle ranch and honestly. I'd do it all over again. fencing in bad weather makes the cab worth it. cold Canadian winters its honestly a necessity. that ranger will run down country roads checking pastures faster than a truck, Basically the farm truck that would be getting beat to hell hardly ever gets drove which was the intention. save the 70K-100K farm truck for a 50-60K ranger. but the 1500 ranger exceeds that price point. And there is no way it's replacing a truck towing a 27 foot livestock trailer. Its a tool for me and the margins goes from "making sense" to "completely moronic" very quickly.
To me this is the market for some of these high end machines. People who are using them to make money and are spending hours a day in them day-in day-out
It should have been called: 'RMAX Trail Edition'
The xd ultimate does have heated seats. It's in the touch screen
I’m my opinion I don’t understand why people complain about the prices there are entry level options it’s no different from getting a small car to a full but pickup truck! I have a full jam pro xp Rockford and I would have spent more in a second on the pro r if it would fit in New England
What is the best side by side to replace Yamaha Rhino
Dealerships between Watkins mn and grand rapids mn are LOADED with side by sides. You won't convince me that they're selling around here. I didn't see a single solitary expedition on the trails all season. Because they aren't selling here. And this is polaris' home state. What's selling around here??? CFMoto! Because they're actually reasonably priced, and are great machines. Prices on can ams, and polaris are absolutely ridiculous. The rest remain somewhat reasonable. What I am interested in seeing is the new ridge from kawasaki.
Not triple the cost type of expensive! There is enough rich out there yet to buy the new rangers. There are other models to choose from and a used market yet. Maybe Polaris is working towards a strong position in the car market.
Dealers lots are pretty flush these days. Wonder who is going to offer the biggest rebates.
Those old cherokees looking better everyday lol.
I sell john deere for a living and deere even got rid of the TS gator and it stinks it had been made for over 20 years but I guess the value UTV is disappearing.
outlander Pro is awesome, bang for the buck and i like the idea of moving to better pricing, easy maintenance, and low NVH.. these are areas the ATV world needs to keep selling otherwise why even buy new or upgrade now with such high prices. the outlander pro should be a long life machine. for UTV I'm not sold of the Expedition for price and weight... id like to see a Defender and Commander cross then name it the Commander Limited... just having a cabbed Commander with Heat and windows that go down for 4 season riding would be my top pick and 120HP. don't need any fancy gadgetry or dual climate BS... its an offroad toy i want to be outside, otherwise id buy a Jeep and drive legally on road. (currently have a Commander Max XTP and its almost perfect) having said that a 2 machine garage for me would be a Defender Max Cab with heat and upgraded shocks, then a YXZ to bang gears and ride solo.... probably could pick both those up from the price of the full jam Expedition.
Prices will keep going up as long as people can get loans for them
Interest rates are insane right now so something has to give.
All I see is manufacturers pricing themselves out of business!
Everything is getting more expensive. Try buying a "budget" new pickup truck.
CF Moto is pricing itself way too high. By the time the CF Moto is competitively equipped to match the performance of a premium brand, you will end up spending much more. Forget the cheap platic roof and winch. How much is a set of Fox shocks and 25 more hp?
I paid, $24,000 for my brand-new car and I thought that was nuts, buying a side by side and paying over $14,000 for it, now that is nuts. It's like a huge sign that says,'' screw you,'' to the working class, the dealers are only for the stupid rich and if you can afford it then get the hell out.
i think Polaris does still make s 570 trail
You didn’t tell us the price for a replacement battery!!!!!😂😂😂😂😂😂
Say goodbye to 0% financing offers on new. The only option MFRs have right now is offering a big discount off msrp. In the used market- It’s impossible to even give away a used machine. So guys def won’t be trading in their rig on a new model. They can’t get anything for them. I see SXS that would’ve been $15-17k used 18mths ago, on marketplace now for 10-12k. It really makes it hard to chunk down $25k on a new machine when you can pickup a 1yr old machine with low miles for $15 used with some accessories on it. I don’t believe they are going to drop msrp prices. Just slow production, lay off workers, and keep offering big incentives in the form of discounts. The dealers lots are all packed as is. No where for the product to go.
4 1/2 Raptors is common sense math to me!
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Already see stock piling up at my dealer. They are way overpriced (10-15k) imho. I was interested till I saw the prices. Hard pass - rather get a used truck.
The problem we have in society is some people have so much money that it makes them stupid, those people go out and pay ridiculous amounts of money for this stuff, so these manufacturers can say look people are paying these prices. The honest fact of the matter is a lot of stuff has gotten way expensive way overpriced and people, even the people with lots of money need to quit paying these prices so things come down to more reasonable pricing. Some can say that the pricing on these things is justified, but when these prices start reaching the same or above the same price as a little pickup or Jeep, that is getting to the point of insanity. Do I like a lot of these expensive machines, of course I do. I would like to have some of them. But in no way am I going to pay the kind of money that they're asking. I've been pretty irritated with side-by-side pricing for the last few years which is why I haven't bought another one since selling my Razor in 2021. There's actually several things I'd like to buy in the Motorsport world but can't bring myself to pay these crazy prices. I finally broke down last year and paid the money to buy a new Arctic Cat m8000, and pretty much have regretted it ever since and now I can't get anywhere close to the money out of it that I feel I need. Having this experience with this snowmobile is going to make it even harder to want to buy anything else.
lol people on Facebook market place with buyer remorse trying to get people to pay off there huge loans on the overpriced toys. Plus all the new stuff tends to have much less reliability. Money grab all around
As cool as these things are, I think about $10K is my ceiling. I watch these videos, but these just are not for me. I am a top 10% income earner, so I am not really sure who is buying these things. Best I can tell it is people that don't plan to be alive at retirement age.
I would rather buy a dual motor Model 3 and put on a lift kit and tires. If you can learn to handle the weight, it’s probably more capable than similar priced side by sides. Definitely more reliable.
This is a joke right. It’s hard to tell.
@@pavmentsurfer13 this is my opinion from lifetime of experience off-roading and years of Tesla ownership. High return on investment from maintenance-free EV. I also prefer being quiet.
Yeah stuff is getting more expensive, but so isn't the automotive market. People complain about how expensive cars and trucks are getting but GMC can't make enough $100k Denali pickups and you can't get an SLE because they're prioritizing the more profitable models. All the people that work at BRP, Polaris, Yamaha, etc. all need to make more money too with inflation. It's an infinite loop.
45,000 hahahaha that’s laughable. I bought my Teryx 4 LE for 15,000 out the door
New measurement! THREE TERYX!!
It will reach saturation, and there will be a correction. You cannot defend the price based on sales of all produced, since the production is based on demand. What is the annual units sold now vs 5yrs ago. There is no way the increases in the last 5 years are justified, and in the long run it hurts the sport as a whole. I paid $12,800 for my 2016 Ranger 900XP, I can't pay more than double, we added a heater, windshield, roof and back panel, and doors. For our use we need the heat, no use at all for the complexity of AC, we also don't need the XP power level. But by the time you put a cab and heat in the base 1000, you are at the price of a 1000XP NorthStar. At 2.5 x the cost of our 900 with accessories. Saturation is here, and they will need to offer $8k off to even start to bring back their core market.
Why is mahindra roxor not on the list. It should be they have made a lot of changes
The Polaris Ranger electric is a lot of money for what you get, a compact tractor is a lot better investment for chores around the house or property, so will need a better argument for that one. The outlander is a great machine, the ATV market needs more small machines to attract young people or the industry will just fade.
The problem with CF Moto is build quality, I know they look good, but after I keep seeing them broken down on trails and nuts and bolts rattling off them, I am not convinced. The Yamaha looks like a great ride.
The Expedition is way over priced, it is easy to say this is awesome because it is, just forgetting that no one can afford one. (sorry kids no university for you) one guy was right - it should be very refined for that price. Love the Ranger, but again, way too expensive, for work around the farm - get a tractor for less and can do more.
I know you have to promote these vehicles, but if everything is expensive then young people will not be able to afford it and will never get into the lifestyle, so in a few years the market will be in trouble.
$38k for an electric 3 seater utv?!?! Wtf??!!!
Prices are getting crazy. It’s become a wealthy man’s sport. But, R&D is expensive. The customer votes with their wallets and the manufacturers are giving the customer what they want.
Gotta pay to play..
I'd rather get a used 4runner before spending 20k+ on a side by side.
You are incorrect about the prices, I have seen more ATV's on dealer lots this year compared to previous years because people are not willing to spend as much along with the higher interest rates, I noticed Polaris Sportsman 100o trails on for $2000 below MSRP because people don't want to be ripped off. These vehicles are over priced - like everything else.
They should call the 850 wolverine the Rhino. Marketing fail!
Think Yammi wants to put the name Rhino in the very distance past.
@@dirttraxtv too bad, they were tough machines that transformed the industry.
Cfmoto got good deals going on
don t ever do that again! lol
None of these things are worth more than 5K in my book.