I 200% agree. These days everyone just expects everything to be perfect. I really like that you used SM2 as an example, because I just couldn’t get the hate over it. People are too busy looking at the bad things and overblowing them, yet they turn a blind eye to the good things. Nitpicking every little thing. Like yeah people are allowed to like and dislike things, but just unfairly sh-ing on those things and acting like most of it is bad is just unreasonable. Games and shows are meant for fun. If I have fun with a game, in my opinion it’s a good game, regardless of what others think about it. (It’s why I’m such a big fan of Sonic The Hedgehog) Very great video, I hope this gets popular!
Thank you! I agree and I feel like people need to allow themselves to enjoy the content that is offered even if there are some issues, rather than focusing on the bad and overlooking the good.
I personally feel like the whole criticism around MJ's face is extremely unfair considering what happened to Stephanie Tyler Jones. If you don't know, she's been the face model for MJ since the first game. Despite what some people think, Insomniac didn't get a new model for Spider-Man 2; this is the same face model as the previous games. The reason MJ looks different is because in between games Stephanie Tyler Jones got into a really bad accident which made it so her entire jaw needed to be reconstructed, and her needing 17 stitches. So of course, when they scanned her in for this game, MJ of course looks different, because her face model actress looks different. Of course Insomniac also tweaked and changed a few things (I personally think that her eye colour is the worst thing, as it makes her look freaky), but also, modern face mocap tech is a hit or miss sometimes these days.
My take on criticism especially in this age is I don't think fans of any particular fandom remember the sole reason of why they became a fan. Like you said criticism is valuable but the criticism I hear specifically these days can be summed up as "I didn't like the way you did it and you're horrible creator" Or my personal favorite is when criticism is addressed in a movie game or whatever and the person who noted those criticisms still hates the final product. The creators listened to them but they still hated it. Great logic.
Thank you so much! I really appreciate the support. Since I'm still a pretty new creator feel free to let me know if there is anything that you would like to see me talk about in the future.
@@dyrangedyou seem to have very down to earth opinions that I feel will do great with people as long as you keep talking about things you're invested in (you know, given that they have a place in the algorithm 😒), but what caught my eye and kept me watching was the graphic at the beginning. Your editing is pretty smooth, what I'd personally like is to see you develop your style more 😊.
@@shame2189 I will keep those things in mind, thank you for taking the time to point these things out. Developing my style further is definitely on my agenda, and I hope I get it to a state where I can start making a name for myself.
@@dyranged don't be afraid to experiment man! Creativity is a gift you can use however you want, and in editing anything that isn't a slideshow goes haha. The part of your character that you put in your script and editing is what sets you apart, so make it a certified Miles Morales original, keep being you. I'll be there for the next episode 👊
I agree that people should be respectful when criticizing a peace of media like Spider-Man 2. Cause some are exaggerating or are being disingenuous, like calling the game as a whole a peace off trash. When that's not the case at all. Like the webswinging and the combat is an improvement than how it was in the first game. But i would disagree if Storytelling and the plot or characters, that are maybe even character assassinated for the sake of the plot, be calling it nitpicking. I would rather want to be aware of all those things, and also wanna think it through, and maybe even debate it with someone if that's actually treu or not, then just being delusional and only praise the good stuff and calling it a Masterpiece, and ignore the important Essential problems that is holding the story together. Look i think SM1 has it's flaws and problems. But i think SM1 is just a better story overall then SM2. Cause the first one took its time and developed the villains a bit more through the use of cutscenes then just only just through audio logs. Cause the second game felt really rushed, and needed more time to properly develop the story. Atleast it needed maybe 2 or 3 hours more to develop Kraven being sick( not only through audio logs), and also how he killed the sinister 6. Peter having the symbiote and having to deal with the loss of Ant May a bit more, because the scene where Miles and Lee are in Peter's mind, came a bit out of nowhere, and it felt more as a reference to the first game, rather then an actual thing that Peter has to deal with, you know what i mean? And also the symbiote invasion be could have been a bit longer. and would have been a better story overall. Not flawless, but just overall better.
I have like 200 plus hours in the 1st insomniac spiderman game and honestly felt like they backwards on a lot of stuff. Im gonna be yapping but screw it. Like you said a lot of the suits looked bad "especially the Raimi suit" and they didnt add all of the outfits from the 2 games (wish imo is crazy cause i just dont see it being thay hard to do) At Launch it was missing some features that were present in Miles Morales. That being New Game plus, which is not that big of a deal. But Changing time of day not being a feature for months is baffling. Combat while heavily improved, became more action heavy and stopped implementing stealth choices into the combat. Gadgets that could help in stealth and abilities removed completely. Another feature that was completely removed was suit power ups, instead adding upon them they completely scrapped the feature making acquiring suits purely cosmetic. In the 1st spiderman game you had multiple bases that you clear as many times after you were done with them. They included, Fisk gang member, Demons and Prisoners. While is Spiderman 2 there were only a couple of Hunter bases which could only be completed once. (Although bonus points for adding extra dialogue when completing them as symbiote peter) Gadgets again being limited to 4 is insane to me, it wouldve been fine to only have 4 equipable but to limit in to 4 exact gadgets for both peter and Miles is so lazy cause although they are both Spider-Man they are unique in their fighting. Again you are right and this game is enjoyable and I did have a great time but I just felt like the game couldve been much more. Narrative wise I was happy, hopefully Spiderman 3 is the dream game i wanted.
These are all valid points, I especially found myself noticing the limited suit gadgets which didn't make much sense to me. I'm glad you were able to take away the message of the video while having these criticisms, that was the goal of my video. I appreciate your passion for the games, and I hope that Spiderman 3 can improve those issues you brought up!
I've seen a few videos that criticize the game for not being a "masterpiece". But.....is that how we judge games these days? I mean yeah,its not a masterpiece but what game is? I just discovered this weird circle that wants to hate Insomniac and the spider man games no matter how many good things there are about them.
Let's say someone made a birdhouse, it's it looks off, i tell them that the birdhouse looks a bit odd and hardly looks like a birdhouse, The guy who made the birdhouse WOULD fully understand and decided to make a better birdhouse with better alternatives. The guy would NOT get all angry and childish about how i was "harsh" about my criticism. So you tell me if I'm right or wrong.
You're right, and criticism is necessary to move forward, we see it all the time when game studios fix glaring issues within their games. However, using your birdhouse example, you would likely only point them out if they are very large, glaring issues. If the birdhouse is missing a small spot of paint on the roof, sure it's not perfect, but it still gets the job done. Another problem is the tone and approach of some criticism today, some people would just say that the birdhouse is absolute garbage and leave it at that, which does nothing but discourage the creator. That's why I mentioned that it is crucial to strike a good balance between criticism and praise to advance the state of the entertainment industry as it stands today. Thank you for the comment, I'm interested to see what you and others think about it.
Theres a difference between complaining about something not functioning and complaining that the paint on the birdhouse isn't the color you wanted, despite functioning fine.
@@PKSunset Yeah I agree, in fact, that's a large part of what I was trying to say in my video. Criticism is important especially when it comes to fundamental issues like you said, but I'm trying to say that a lot of the criticism is nitpicking the more trivial issues that decrease the value of the entertainment but shouldn't illicit the large amount of hate that many movies and games receive. Also I feel that most issues with games don't effect functionality, especially to the point that the quality of the game is decreased drastically.
Dude, you didn't say anything subjective, those are all facts. People can't enjoy things as a whole anymore. They need to be perfect by playing it safe, but needing to make decisions that not all people are gonna like to have a unique story. We've created an echo chamber where nothing new is allowed to be made in fear of such extreme criticism. We can't have anything thought-provoking anymore. Nothing that gets us to think differently. Nothing controversial. When I say "controversy" I don't mean a Dream situation, I mean something like the original CoD Modern Warfare 2. We can't have anything deemed somewhat unsafe or anything like that airport mission, I think it was. You know what I'm talking about. And because of this we can't have anything controversial for the sake of good storytelling. Everything is played too safe and there aren't enough risks with storytelling anymore because of these exaggerations. I know I turned this into a criticism of a criticism, but I really believe that these criticisms have bottlenecked storytelling as a whole for all kinds of media like TV, movies and games. Alright, I'll stop now, so have a good day everyone
I *definetly* agree with your opinions. Like, yeah it's not the best game but people keep talking about the smallest nitpicks without talking about anything good which causes the game to look bad and it's just frustraiting seeing all these people agree with these negative criticisms. Also, glad I'm not the only one who likes Cars 2 I thought I was gonna go insane.
I never got why this game especially got so much hate. It literally improved upon the gameplay of previous entries in every single way, It gave us nearly twice the content, It improved visually quite a lot, Sure the story wont shake you to your core like it did last time, but we were able to relive the ultimate spiderman fantasy with venom, kraven, the lizard and the second wave of baddies we were all dreaming of encountering since the first game and managed to give each their appropriate time and way to shine. The devs also already explained how the smaller sections with normal characters not only break the montony of being a super powerful , and I cant agree more. You can argue about the agenda behind them but they do serve to immerse you back into the feeling of mortality after playing god for a long while and whats best is that they never overstay their welcome. These sections occur only enough to break the pace and if people dont like them theyll return to the superhero stuff in no time, theyre literally complaining over the "Extra" stuff and not the game itself
I 100% agreee with this Video, sure Spider-Man 2 isn’t the most perfect game of all time of course it has problems, but put all that aside, it’s such an amazing gaming experience, and how is this channel small? This is amazing content man! Keep up the good work. I definitely subed 🙏
Spiderman 2 got spiderman 3'd. It has too many things cut in my honest opinion. Spiderman 2s combat works way better than spiderman ps4. It flows far better
I genuinely disagree with the whole “Villain problem”. Spider-Man PS4 legitimately has WAY MORE villains that actually serve as a threat than Spider-Man 2 has by almost half. We have Kingpin at the beginning, shocker, doc oc, rino, scorpion, electro, vulture, and Mr Negative all within the same game. Meanwhile Spider-Man 2 had Sandman at the beginning, Kraven, Venom, Mr Negative (barely), and the Lizard. If you wanna be technical peter but idk if I would count him per say. That being said, all together the sinister 6, doc oc, AND Mr Negative are ALL main villains in the game, as compared to Spider-Man 2 who has Kraven and Venom as the only REAL main villains. On a technical level the criticism isn’t even valid unless you also have a problem with the first game
Yeah, for the most part, the villain issue wasn't even noticeable to me, when I was playing I didn't even think about it. It was only when I started looking at what other people had to say that I noticed it
@@dyranged exactly, and even at that, the issue in question is just factually worse in the first game because half of the villains I mentioned don’t have any development. I’d argue the criticism is actually valid in the first game more than anything, yet strangely nobody seems to think it’s an issue
Honestly i think ppl complaining about the gay couple in Spider-Man 2 is pretty dumb since literally the only woke aspect is the existence of gay people lol
If we had the same standards back then, most games would've been ridiculed. You also start to notice how people start liking older games when the nostalgia starts to set in. Like remember when Arkham Knight was considered a disappointing game? Since 2022 people started treating it like the second coming of Christ.
I 200% agree. These days everyone just expects everything to be perfect. I really like that you used SM2 as an example, because I just couldn’t get the hate over it.
People are too busy looking at the bad things and overblowing them, yet they turn a blind eye to the good things. Nitpicking every little thing. Like yeah people are allowed to like and dislike things, but just unfairly sh-ing on those things and acting like most of it is bad is just unreasonable.
Games and shows are meant for fun. If I have fun with a game, in my opinion it’s a good game, regardless of what others think about it. (It’s why I’m such a big fan of Sonic The Hedgehog)
Very great video, I hope this gets popular!
Thank you! I agree and I feel like people need to allow themselves to enjoy the content that is offered even if there are some issues, rather than focusing on the bad and overlooking the good.
I personally feel like the whole criticism around MJ's face is extremely unfair considering what happened to Stephanie Tyler Jones. If you don't know, she's been the face model for MJ since the first game. Despite what some people think, Insomniac didn't get a new model for Spider-Man 2; this is the same face model as the previous games.
The reason MJ looks different is because in between games Stephanie Tyler Jones got into a really bad accident which made it so her entire jaw needed to be reconstructed, and her needing 17 stitches.
So of course, when they scanned her in for this game, MJ of course looks different, because her face model actress looks different.
Of course Insomniac also tweaked and changed a few things (I personally think that her eye colour is the worst thing, as it makes her look freaky), but also, modern face mocap tech is a hit or miss sometimes these days.
@@maxm.m.7219 wow, I didn’t know that.
@@mehiloll well everyone knows
dude ive been thinking the exact same about all the critique videos out there great video
Thanks so much! It's really encouraging to hear that you share my thoughts on this and that I was able to get it out there for people to see.
My take on criticism especially in this age is I don't think fans of any particular fandom remember the sole reason of why they became a fan. Like you said criticism is valuable but the criticism I hear specifically these days can be summed up as "I didn't like the way you did it and you're horrible creator"
Or my personal favorite is when criticism is addressed in a movie game or whatever and the person who noted those criticisms still hates the final product. The creators listened to them but they still hated it. Great logic.
Yeah that is a great way to put it. If people saw it that way it would be so much more constructive.
Dude, how is your channel still this small? This is a goated video, I subbed.
Thank you so much! I really appreciate the support. Since I'm still a pretty new creator feel free to let me know if there is anything that you would like to see me talk about in the future.
@@dyrangedyou seem to have very down to earth opinions that I feel will do great with people as long as you keep talking about things you're invested in (you know, given that they have a place in the algorithm 😒), but what caught my eye and kept me watching was the graphic at the beginning. Your editing is pretty smooth, what I'd personally like is to see you develop your style more 😊.
@@shame2189 I will keep those things in mind, thank you for taking the time to point these things out. Developing my style further is definitely on my agenda, and I hope I get it to a state where I can start making a name for myself.
@@dyranged don't be afraid to experiment man! Creativity is a gift you can use however you want, and in editing anything that isn't a slideshow goes haha. The part of your character that you put in your script and editing is what sets you apart, so make it a certified Miles Morales original, keep being you. I'll be there for the next episode 👊
I agree that people should be respectful when criticizing a peace of media like Spider-Man 2.
Cause some are exaggerating or are being disingenuous,
like calling the game as a whole a peace off trash.
When that's not the case at all.
Like the webswinging and the combat is an improvement than how it was in the first game.
But i would disagree if Storytelling and the plot or characters, that are maybe even character assassinated for the sake of the plot, be calling it nitpicking.
I would rather want to be aware of all those things, and also wanna think it through, and maybe even debate it with someone if that's actually treu or not, then just being delusional and only praise the good stuff and calling it a Masterpiece, and ignore the important Essential problems that is holding the story together.
Look i think SM1 has it's flaws and problems.
But i think SM1 is just a better story overall then SM2.
Cause the first one took its time and developed the villains a bit more through the use of cutscenes then just only just through audio logs.
Cause the second game felt really rushed, and needed more time to properly develop the story.
Atleast it needed maybe 2 or 3 hours more to develop Kraven being sick( not only through audio logs), and also how he killed the sinister 6.
Peter having the symbiote and having to deal with the loss of Ant May a bit more, because the scene where Miles and Lee are in Peter's mind, came a bit out of nowhere, and it felt more as a reference to the first game, rather then an actual thing that Peter has to deal with, you know what i mean?
And also the symbiote invasion be could have been a bit longer.
and would have been a better story overall.
Not flawless, but just overall better.
I have like 200 plus hours in the 1st insomniac spiderman game and honestly felt like they backwards on a lot of stuff. Im gonna be yapping but screw it.
Like you said a lot of the suits looked bad "especially the Raimi suit" and they didnt add all of the outfits from the 2 games (wish imo is crazy cause i just dont see it being thay hard to do)
At Launch it was missing some features that were present in Miles Morales. That being New Game plus, which is not that big of a deal. But Changing time of day not being a feature for months is baffling.
Combat while heavily improved, became more action heavy and stopped implementing stealth choices into the combat. Gadgets that could help in stealth and abilities removed completely.
Another feature that was completely removed was suit power ups, instead adding upon them they completely scrapped the feature making acquiring suits purely cosmetic.
In the 1st spiderman game you had multiple bases that you clear as many times after you were done with them. They included, Fisk gang member, Demons and Prisoners. While is Spiderman 2 there were only a couple of Hunter bases which could only be completed once. (Although bonus points for adding extra dialogue when completing them as symbiote peter)
Gadgets again being limited to 4 is insane to me, it wouldve been fine to only have 4 equipable but to limit in to 4 exact gadgets for both peter and Miles is so lazy cause although they are both Spider-Man they are unique in their fighting.
Again you are right and this game is enjoyable and I did have a great time but I just felt like the game couldve been much more. Narrative wise I was happy, hopefully Spiderman 3 is the dream game i wanted.
These are all valid points, I especially found myself noticing the limited suit gadgets which didn't make much sense to me. I'm glad you were able to take away the message of the video while having these criticisms, that was the goal of my video. I appreciate your passion for the games, and I hope that Spiderman 3 can improve those issues you brought up!
I am synthetic man’s dad. He worked very hard on his UA-cam video. Uncool 😡
This is my king don’t hate
I've seen a few videos that criticize the game for not being a "masterpiece". But.....is that how we judge games these days? I mean yeah,its not a masterpiece but what game is? I just discovered this weird circle that wants to hate Insomniac and the spider man games no matter how many good things there are about them.
Let's say someone made a birdhouse, it's it looks off, i tell them that the birdhouse looks a bit odd and hardly looks like a birdhouse, The guy who made the birdhouse WOULD fully understand and decided to make a better birdhouse with better alternatives. The guy would NOT get all angry and childish about how i was "harsh" about my criticism.
So you tell me if I'm right or wrong.
You're right, and criticism is necessary to move forward, we see it all the time when game studios fix glaring issues within their games. However, using your birdhouse example, you would likely only point them out if they are very large, glaring issues. If the birdhouse is missing a small spot of paint on the roof, sure it's not perfect, but it still gets the job done. Another problem is the tone and approach of some criticism today, some people would just say that the birdhouse is absolute garbage and leave it at that, which does nothing but discourage the creator. That's why I mentioned that it is crucial to strike a good balance between criticism and praise to advance the state of the entertainment industry as it stands today. Thank you for the comment, I'm interested to see what you and others think about it.
Theres a difference between complaining about something not functioning and complaining that the paint on the birdhouse isn't the color you wanted, despite functioning fine.
@@PKSunset Yeah I agree, in fact, that's a large part of what I was trying to say in my video. Criticism is important especially when it comes to fundamental issues like you said, but I'm trying to say that a lot of the criticism is nitpicking the more trivial issues that decrease the value of the entertainment but shouldn't illicit the large amount of hate that many movies and games receive. Also I feel that most issues with games don't effect functionality, especially to the point that the quality of the game is decreased drastically.
Dude, you didn't say anything subjective, those are all facts. People can't enjoy things as a whole anymore. They need to be perfect by playing it safe, but needing to make decisions that not all people are gonna like to have a unique story. We've created an echo chamber where nothing new is allowed to be made in fear of such extreme criticism. We can't have anything thought-provoking anymore. Nothing that gets us to think differently. Nothing controversial. When I say "controversy" I don't mean a Dream situation, I mean something like the original CoD Modern Warfare 2. We can't have anything deemed somewhat unsafe or anything like that airport mission, I think it was. You know what I'm talking about. And because of this we can't have anything controversial for the sake of good storytelling. Everything is played too safe and there aren't enough risks with storytelling anymore because of these exaggerations. I know I turned this into a criticism of a criticism, but I really believe that these criticisms have bottlenecked storytelling as a whole for all kinds of media like TV, movies and games. Alright, I'll stop now, so have a good day everyone
Wow, i actually found someone who actually try to enjoy the media instead of wishing something was done different. 😊
I *definetly* agree with your opinions. Like, yeah it's not the best game but people keep talking about the smallest nitpicks without talking about anything good which causes the game to look bad and it's just frustraiting seeing all these people agree with these negative criticisms. Also, glad I'm not the only one who likes Cars 2 I thought I was gonna go insane.
I never got why this game especially got so much hate. It literally improved upon the gameplay of previous entries in every single way, It gave us nearly twice the content, It improved visually quite a lot, Sure the story wont shake you to your core like it did last time, but we were able to relive the ultimate spiderman fantasy with venom, kraven, the lizard and the second wave of baddies we were all dreaming of encountering since the first game and managed to give each their appropriate time and way to shine. The devs also already explained how the smaller sections with normal characters not only break the montony of being a super powerful , and I cant agree more. You can argue about the agenda behind them but they do serve to immerse you back into the feeling of mortality after playing god for a long while and whats best is that they never overstay their welcome. These sections occur only enough to break the pace and if people dont like them theyll return to the superhero stuff in no time, theyre literally complaining over the "Extra" stuff and not the game itself
The critism isn't about the gameplay, but the story and the characters specialy Venom
Underrated channel fr
Thank you!
@@dyranged You're welcome man 😁
I 100% agreee with this Video, sure Spider-Man 2 isn’t the most perfect game of all time of course it has problems, but put all that aside, it’s such an amazing gaming experience, and how is this channel small? This is amazing content man! Keep up the good work. I definitely subed 🙏
This video was more interesting than I thought it would be, subbed
Spiderman 2 got spiderman 3'd. It has too many things cut in my honest opinion. Spiderman 2s combat works way better than spiderman ps4. It flows far better
I genuinely disagree with the whole “Villain problem”. Spider-Man PS4 legitimately has WAY MORE villains that actually serve as a threat than Spider-Man 2 has by almost half. We have Kingpin at the beginning, shocker, doc oc, rino, scorpion, electro, vulture, and Mr Negative all within the same game. Meanwhile Spider-Man 2 had Sandman at the beginning, Kraven, Venom, Mr Negative (barely), and the Lizard. If you wanna be technical peter but idk if I would count him per say. That being said, all together the sinister 6, doc oc, AND Mr Negative are ALL main villains in the game, as compared to Spider-Man 2 who has Kraven and Venom as the only REAL main villains. On a technical level the criticism isn’t even valid unless you also have a problem with the first game
Yeah, for the most part, the villain issue wasn't even noticeable to me, when I was playing I didn't even think about it. It was only when I started looking at what other people had to say that I noticed it
@@dyranged exactly, and even at that, the issue in question is just factually worse in the first game because half of the villains I mentioned don’t have any development. I’d argue the criticism is actually valid in the first game more than anything, yet strangely nobody seems to think it’s an issue
i love the positive outlook dawg keep it up!!!
Thank you!
Finally an interesting video, nice work!
Honestly i think ppl complaining about the gay couple in Spider-Man 2 is pretty dumb since literally the only woke aspect is the existence of gay people lol
bro i did not expect you to have so little subs
Thank you for the support! I'm still in pretty early stages of content creation, so I really appreciate every sub.
If we had the same standards back then, most games would've been ridiculed. You also start to notice how people start liking older games when the nostalgia starts to set in. Like remember when Arkham Knight was considered a disappointing game? Since 2022 people started treating it like the second coming of Christ.
thought you were gonna discuss the people who claim spider-man 2 should've been dlc
Yeah that's another layer to the Spiderman argument lol
Marvel spider-man 2 and Arkanm have nothing similar in the gameplay
They're pretty damn similar. That's not a bad thing
@canceritself1854 bro go watch Marvel spider-man 2 and Arkanm side by side, and you will see it's not similar use your eyes
Great video! You’ve earned my sub! I really hope your channel grows a lot!
Thank you!!
Solid vid
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