Wow, what a monster sounding drum. Yeah, maybe you were liking it a bit much as it's a bit loud in the mix of the kit but hey, it sounds loud and proud!!! It would be interesting however to hear it in the context of an actual song with a whole band. Very cool, thanks for sharing!!!
Lovely stuff. Way back when, I used to play in a 30's-themed dance band at the Ritz hotel in London.The guy that ran the band would wheel out from the back of his van a vintage kit. We had to bring hats and a snare and a bass drum pedal, everything else was already there. I paid a fortune at the time for a lambswool beater because I was terrified of being the sideman who broke the skin. Bless younger me! I'm older now and better informed. Love your stuff, keep it coming. Cheers.
Terrific. I really like both snare and bass drum. That's what drums should sound like. My first snare had calf heads. You sounded excellent. Thanks for doing this. Frank Endert Sr.
Thanks. Actually, a drum that big with no hole in the head to relieve pressure feels pretty odd to play as it 'pushes back' with each stroke (there's just no place for the air to go, so the batter is effectively under pressure). Makes double patterns a bit odd, as each stroke can actually sound different depending on the speed. Fun drum though!! I'm getting something of a workout playing it.
@@drumdotpizza I thought that would be the outcome. Like having the pedals connected to a giant beach ball lol. I have a 22inch bass drum with one tiny air vent, tuned a fraction higher then a "standard" and no hole in the front head that feels like it kicks back if I try to bury the beater lol. I've tried using a double kick on it a couple of times but just doesn't feel right and I love it's current sound. So I'll stick to the single pedal and not burying the beater too much.
Awesome! It’s kinda funny I think most would say they like the sound of a bass drum without a hole, but we all install a hole🤔 Great video, love your channel and looking forward to the drum head video 🎉✌️
I DID install a hole in this drum (got a secondhand head to cut the hole in) and feature it in my new video, a discussion of recording and mixing large bass drums for a sense of size while keeping them articulate for pop type music. Please check it out if you're interested in recording/mixing drums at all. Thanks!
Indeed. I got the 28 Fever a good while ago and I have come to realm of wide open tuning thanks to simple batter tuning , your perfect beater ( heavy dense felt and or fluffy felts) and really concentrating on the Reso more. Cheers
I have a Ludwig drum like this but in a 40"!! 😶 Prob from the 70s. Had to remortgage my house for a drum head but it is a beast. I took the wrap off of it and clear coated the mahogany. It will prob end up as my coffee table. I also have a 28" that I haven't touched yet. Love the video.
Yeah, I'm playing with this drum at bit at the moment... it's amazing how control and defined the sound can be, rhythmically, while still being absofreakinglutely huge at the same time!
Bigger is always better for bottom end. sounds great. I bought my first kit off what the sales person told me about sizes they can tune too up or down. i got a fusion kit and it never did what i wanted it to. I got a 16 floor tom but i still couldn't get the sound i wanted out of it. (i've heard plenty of 16s that do btw) i ended up finding a pdp 18 and it just works. As soon as you put heads on it and have it nice and floppy with some tissue taped to it. Big bass drums are great but its hard putting toms over them and getting them in a car or other places. Just listen to that bad boy. Kenny arronoff uses an old wfl 26x14, because it works. Im not saying that smaller bass drums don't work but you will never get that out of them.
Agreed! AND.... I find shallower drums to have richer low end, while deeper (more modern) kick drums tend toward greater 'punch,' but not true low end 'whump!'
Sounds fantastic. For just playing sans music I love that open sound. It has a very special character and goes well with that snare. Muffled it still sounds great but sounds a little less unusual.
Thanks so much! Yeah, I've spent so much time with it over the last week that I actually made it the subject of my new video with a more practical recording/mixing approach that I discuss in the video. Please check it out if you're interested in recording/mixing drums! Thanks again!
Damn ! Deeep! Nice , very nice! Them old cats had good sounding wide open drums.. i appreciate you sharing this with the drummers out here! Nice playing cousin! Mr. Tom🥁😎I gotta find one…
Finished your latest upload on kick depth and searched your awesome channel because I wanted to see the diameter side. LOVE the vibe and the just huge sound of that kick.
Jealous! I think it sounds fantastic. I’d never get it to fit in my car though. I have one snare with a newer calf head, really like the feel off that head. Keep the videos coming, and I wish you all the best going in to the new year.
Sounds awesome man. I just acquired a 28" Yamaha marching base drum and am using it on my kit. Evans MX2 heads sound awesome. 28 inch all the way, big boomy base drums bring all the guts and funk.
That sheet material I've seen used in furniture upholstery; pillow and stuffed animal filler comes in a bag, and is bulkier like cotton candy. That is a hella bass drum 💪🏽
Yeah, the person who gave that fabric to me did all kinds of quilting, embroidery, knitting, making throws and throw pillows, etc., so I knew it was for something like that. It's a very light and fluffy, so I thought it'd be good for muffling in the absence of felt strips. It works well! Thanks so much for your comment!
@@drumdotpizza I believe it's called batting, meant to be an in-between layer in a quilt. It's why quilts are heavy and warmer than thin fleece blankets. think of it as the patty of the quilt burger.
hey Joel Happy new year -notice that a two headed drum with depth equal to the radius of the head has the same surface of shell and head - meaning that the pressure inside is spread 50/50 on the shell and on the heads. Anything deeper is loss of pressure on the heads...cheers
That is one tubby sounding bass drum, but in the best possible way. I liked both approaches, and your batter head miking really helped it not muddy out in the mix. Noice!
I've never played a 28 inch bass drum before, does it respond quickly, or is it slow because it's so big? I use to play 24's and they were great. I assume you know that calf skin head will change with the weather and room temperature. I would try a powerstroke 3 front and back. Remo will make you stuff that big. A 28 inch use to be the standard size bass drum years ago, imagine dragging that around to a gig.
Great question! Yes, it feels odd to play not only because its so big (and moving a lot of air with each stroke), but it had no hole in the heads, so the only venting is the grommet on the badge (TOTALLY insufficient!!). As a result it 'pushes back' against each stroke making it feel really odd to play -- like a mini workout each time I play it. I did, however, get a secondhand head for the front, so I could cut a hole without remorse :) Actually used that arrangement for this weeks video (released today), so if you're into recording/mixing drums you might want to check it out. It's about recording/mixing large (or unmuffled) bass drums for a sense of mass AND great definition/articulation for modern music. Thanks so much!
@@drumdotpizza if it was cut down to a 12 inch wide bass drum it might not fight you as much and it might have more of a thump. I saw and just tapped on a 12x28 with my fingers a few years ago and that drum sounded good. I also read years ago that the bigger the bass drum, the narrower it should be, maybe.
Man, you got a great sound from those old heads! Nice job!!! I am currently playing an early 60's (1, 2, or 3) Ludwig 10x28 marching bass drum that I refurbished into a kick. I'm using marching heads on it that have some muffling built in, and I've found that tuning both sides a little higher than I would expect to have to, gives me a great mix of punch and sustain, but still without sacrificing any of the lower end that you expect from such a large drum. I love it! I would love to see what you ended up doing with yours.
I've got a 1954 Ludwig 30" I've been using in a punk band, it sounds like an 808 sample until the whole band starts playing. Had the chance to convert a 22" bass drum to a floor tom to accompany it, the whole kit is baritone Also a 34" Premier that needs new heads but that's like $200
I like big drums too Joel. I play a 28 in vintage pearl. And you are right its a monster and I love it I also have a 26 in vintage Ludwig but the pearl is the daddy
I'm sure you are familiar with the muffling technique of loosely filling the drum between 1/3 and 1/2 full of crumpled newspaper. It sounds pretty incredible the way it is, but that might tame it just enough for easier recording without sacrificing the character of the drum using the original heads.
I have 28x14 L&L from the 30s. What they called Artist Series in 1940 was Standard Series in the mid-30s. Same drums exactly as far as I can tell. Or very similar. Anything just wanted to see what kind of sound you were getting and what heads. Thanks for making a vid on this beast.
New Subb here, just found ur channel this morn. Started with your video/discussion on drumwraps as I just picked up a freebie set that I'm prob gonna attempt a rewrap on,(only did that once before years ago & easy-process, just time consuming). Anyways, glad I went & watched this vid as well so far cause I also Picked up my 1st ever Real vintage Bass Drum last summer here locally & although I did pop 1-head off just to inspect, it's basically sat in house here doing nothing since. Really glad you provided your info on yours cause I just assumed 20's-30's on mine but it looks pretty identicle to yours overall, minus the "custom paint" yours came with. Biggest thing now is I'm going to pop that head off again & see if I can't find that date code like yours and see if I can at least "Know what I really got here!" Thanks & glad I tuned in from up here in small town PNW!:)
Holy Moly! That surely is some impressive and magnificently sounding drum! What a tone and colour! Both muffled and unmuffled it sounds fantastic! Congratulations - I'm ever so slightly envious, I must admit 😊 With these huge sizes (say 26" and upwards) doesn't there come a point one cannot actually play it decently anymore with a bass drum pedal? I mean, drums sound best when hit in the center, but beaters on bass pedals only reach so far before the beater rod runs out of metal. Plus one can only extend a beater so far before it becomes unplayable with one's foot, having to chug the dead weight of the beater around.
Yeah, there is a margin of diminishing returns with the pedal and how close the beater is to the center. I never intended to have a kick drum this large (though I do have, and LOVE, a 1969 maple/poplar/maple Ludwig 26" kick that is amazing). This beast just popped up on my local online classifieds for cheap, so I thought, "well, let's see." I didn't realize till I actually saw it how original it was and its excellent condition. The seller got it in a foreclosed storage space he purchased. He wasn't a drummer, and didn't know what to do with it! The biggest thing I notice about this drum is the 'push back' I get when playing it... there are no holes in the heads for mics (all my other kicks, including the 26", have holes in the front heads. This one has none, and I can definitely tell there is pressure that cannot be quickly released when playing it, so it tends to push back). Plus, with larger kicks like these they definitely lose much of the clarity of finesse in the playing (that's a lot of real estate moving when being struck, and the finer details get a bit lost in bigness of the sound). So it take a bit more deliberation to play cleanly than smaller drums, but it really is quite fun! Thank you for your comments and for being here!
find that the open sound is more useful than your muffle done, which pushes the tone... But all depends of muffling, of course Fantastic ! one note and it's a lot of groove
Batting. The fluffy stuff. I got my eye on an old Iowa State (maybe?) marching bass drum. I've done it before with a Yamaha Fieldcorps when I was younger (poorer) and it sounded great to me. Boomy as heck. Thoughts on that? Like, if it sounds nice, why tf not, right? And they're practically *giving* away big, old bass drums from colleges here in the midwest.
Yeah, I've been tempted by the prices of marching bass drums for years -- my '69 Ludwig 26x14 started life as a marching drum (but now it has spurs!). With the exception of that one I never pulled the trigger on any of the marching drums I've seen, but many have been tempting. This 1940 Ludwig was on a local classified listing for a couple of months, and I just watched the price tick down and down until I finally made a lower offer, and the guy accepted. Wasn't till I actually saw it in person that I realized how complete and mint it was (except for the painted hoops, of course, but I'm gonna sand those). Ludwig marketed this drum for "all around requirements," but it had no marching hardware or spurs... probably just used in a school concert band originally.
Dry ice cleaning?? Never heard of that. I'm planning to sand the hoops down to the maple and giving a satin clear coat to them, but wasn't (am not) sure how to remove the paint safely from the calfskin wrapped around the flesh hoops (when I took the back head off the hoop and flesh hoop were stuck together, no doubt from the paint, so I didn't try to separate them yet). I'll look into dry ice cleaning, thank you! I really would like to remove the paint and restore the original appearance. I'm also gonna have to purchase at least a front head for this drum, so I can cut a hole for microphones (can't wait to mic this thing from the inside!).
Sounds great either Way but the second take I like better.I have a Ludwig 28x14 aswell from the 70's that I rewrapped in green sparkle. Not for everyone but I love the big warm sound!!
No factory spurs, no (most likely a school band bass drum for a few decades... no spurs). I have a pair of DW clip on spurs, however (fasten to the hoops), so all's good. I think you can see one in the thumbnail pic if you look closely... their on the front head.
Wow Tommy Lee never got a bass drum to sound like this Even the bullet boyz didn’t get it like this I’m building a 26 x 20 12 lug 4 spur Ludwig virgin I’m going to build a 28 Build a drum riser cut out the bass drum so you can raise the pedal and mount toms on top also bring back the 20 x 20 floor toms Put new skins on the 28 and re record
Ha!!! So did Buddy Rich! I got to see Buddy live shortly before he died, and he was playing a 40's era Slingerland Radio King kit with a 26" bass drum that Joe McSweeny from Eames Drums Shells refurbed for him. Joe said in a later interview that Buddy had asked him to find/restore a 28" kick for him to use with that kit, but he died before Joe could deliver it. So yeah... 28". BIG DRUM! :)
QUESTION, can you still play fast singles and Bonham triplets as efficiently on a giant bass drum, and also burry the beater? I’ve only played 22” my whole life? (Guessing it’s how you tune/tension it, and if you put a blanket\ muffling on the batter, inside the drum, while also putting a hole in the front. ) But hey, I ain’t no expert.
Wow, I really dislike big drums, but this sounds that good it should be illegal lol. Here’s a ? Joel, add the years of that vintage stuff together, crazy!
I know! I can't believe that kick is 82 years old. And the snare I used in this video (featured in an earlier video) is a WFL from 1937 (a year before my mother was born!!). Can't believe these drums are still around to take more pounding!
@@drumdotpizza I really don’t think any of the big names make kits that last 80 some years these days. For example living in the UK I’m a Premier drums fan, and I’ve been after a Premier Signia Marquis, of which I believe stopped being built around 2002/ish. The few that I’ve seen even though they’ve been looked after are not in great shape. Love the content buddy, thanks for replying.
Wow. Never tested 28-incher. Must be huge sounding live in room. I've tested only 26-incer that was 20 inches deep. The owner called it "the barrel house". You really need to use a force to kick that kind of a drum to get it sound good. He broke something like one DW 5000-pedal per year with that drum. Just for playing loud. Like _really_ loud. In balance, but loud.
So true! I gotta really lay into it to make it sound huge in the room... in truth it's so big that the heads on it seem to rumble with low pitch, but not such obvious low TONE (reminds me of the concert bass drum being struck on downbeats at the end of Yellow Submarine -- just long and out of control). Microphones, of course, hear things quite differently, and I am finding it VERY satisfying to record. In fact, my new video is about recording and mixing this drum in a more normal fashion (I put a mylar head on the front with a hole cut in it for a microphone) with a focus on getting a HUGE sound while keeping it articulate for precise rhythms/modern music. Please check it out if you have an interest in recording drums -- it's my first 'recording drums' type video.
Good eye!! My studio 'house' kit for years was a Taye Studio Maple kit (my son now owns it). I actually got a deal because of Ray Ayotte who ran the company at the time (2005-ish, I believe?). I had purchased a custom set from him 15 years before when he was doing custom builds out of his Vancouver Drums Only store, and he remembered me! Gave me a great deal on the Taye kit, and I enjoyed them very much. Nicely built, and far better than I believe they ever got credit for being. I got quite acclimated to the hardware, so I kept it when I passed the shells on to my son.
@@drumdotpizza That’s cool Joel.. I almost bought Taye Go-kit but ended up with a uk custom built kit, (Highwood Drums) it was a lovely beech kit with 12 14 20 kick and 14x6 matching snare. Ray Ayotte is a true gentleman and the Taye kits back in this era are basically Ayotte kits of today. The fist Ayotte kit I spotted was when I seen Third Day drummer play them Back in the late 90s.. The wooden hoops were new to me, a 17 yr old wannabe 😆 I’ve tried to get my son who is 13 to take interest in drums but he’s nuts on guitar, but I’ll have a jamming buddy soon lol.
@@RianGalway193 Third Day! No way! I actually played a worship gig back in the late 90s and Third Day were the featured band/artist for the event. The drummer (don't remember his name, sorry) asked me if he could play my kit (Ayotte), because he normally used Ayotte, but the backline kit hired for that gig wasn't Ayotte, and very nice, apparently. So he used my kit for that gig. Small world!
@@drumdotpizza 😂 wow, it’s a really small world, Joel. The Third Day drummer is called David Carr. As I mention, I’m in Ireland, but I was born in Florida and my family moved back home in the mid 80s when my father sold his pharmaceutical business. “Your Love’ o Lord” was the first Third Day song I really payed attention to, and I managed to go to a few gigs in which I got back stage on, and was privileged to talk with Mac for 20 mins. It was a couple of gigs Florida and also Georgia. I actually kept writing to Mac Powell as his Christian song writing is amazing and I am a huge fan, but the funny thing is I tweeted to Mac 8 yrs ago and he actually remembered me. I tweet him every few months to ask how he and his family are doing and he’s kind enough to tweet back with words of encouragement. Joel, there’s a chance I could of been at this gig 😂 wow!
Hello I want to make snare sound that I hear in the video but I don't know how to tune it Can you measure the lug pitch top and bottom snare with a tunebot?
I wish I could tell you, but I didn't write those settings down at the time. It is currently tuned with 240 on batter (Aquarian TC) and 351 snare side (Aquarian CCSS) and sounds very similar. I hope that helps!
Sounds great.. when you store it you should slack off the heads a tad..ask how I know!! I owned Mick Fleetwoods Tama rosewood 20x18 for a few years. It was no where as good sounding as that ludwig..
I bought an old ludwig kit years ago blue and silver Duco, 12 inch tom had bottom tack on calf top was adjustable, bass and floor tom had both heads adjustable . All calf heads and original to kit. I tuned it up and played the kit for a few weeks and stored it with my other kits.. By end of winter all the heads , except the floor tom had split from drying out and tension increasing as it dried out.
@@Camcodrummer Wow! That blows. Sorry that happened to you. Guess I'll be sure to keep this thing hydrated and back the tension off the heads when stored! Interestingly enough this drum was in a storage space that was foreclosed on. The guy who purchased the contents of the space sold it to me (he wasn't a drummer), and I got a really good deal. I just wonder how long it sat there? It was pretty dusty when I picked it up. I did mention (I think) in the video that the back head was wrinkled when I got it, so I had to tension it higher before playing. So far so good!
Great insights as always. I had a question about Marching drums. Why do they sound so shallow inspite of all that shell depth? Sorry for a question this lame. I've seen quite a few drums, primarily drumset drums, but never a marching snare(the ones used in Drum Corps). Thanks and a Happy New Year.
Awesome!!! Thunderous!! Calf heads sound so rich.
Wow, what a monster sounding drum. Yeah, maybe you were liking it a bit much as it's a bit loud in the mix of the kit but hey, it sounds loud and proud!!! It would be interesting however to hear it in the context of an actual song with a whole band. Very cool, thanks for sharing!!!
Lovely stuff. Way back when, I used to play in a 30's-themed dance band at the Ritz hotel in London.The guy that ran the band would wheel out from the back of his van a vintage kit. We had to bring hats and a snare and a bass drum pedal, everything else was already there. I paid a fortune at the time for a lambswool beater because I was terrified of being the sideman who broke the skin. Bless younger me! I'm older now and better informed. Love your stuff, keep it coming. Cheers.
BOOM! BA BOOOOM!
Disclaimer: Playing this Bass drum may cause uninvited visits from the bomb squad.
;)
Monstrous! Kick some Bonham grooves on that beast!
Dang - that drum sounds amazing!
Wow!!! Right up my alley!! Just perchased a 30x14 from the same era, can't wait to try it out on a gig!!
I just bought a 50's 30x16 WFL bass drum. Hoping I get the same sound as the 28 in this video. Love it!!!
BOOOOM!!!
That's HUGE!! I'd love to hear it.
These videos are the best. Thanks Joel.
Sick! I dig the overhead cam!
Unmuffled I prefer ……awesome depth & bottom end……👍👀
That's one rad sounding drum
Terrific. I really like both snare and bass drum. That's what drums should sound like. My first snare had calf heads. You sounded excellent. Thanks for doing this.
Frank Endert Sr.
Sounds absolutely beautiful
... and a bit off-the-leash ;)
Thank you!!
Loved the double kick Patten on it lol. Very nice.
Thanks. Actually, a drum that big with no hole in the head to relieve pressure feels pretty odd to play as it 'pushes back' with each stroke (there's just no place for the air to go, so the batter is effectively under pressure). Makes double patterns a bit odd, as each stroke can actually sound different depending on the speed.
Fun drum though!! I'm getting something of a workout playing it.
@@drumdotpizza
I thought that would be the outcome. Like having the pedals connected to a giant beach ball lol.
I have a 22inch bass drum with one tiny air vent, tuned a fraction higher then a "standard" and no hole in the front head that feels like it kicks back if I try to bury the beater lol. I've tried using a double kick on it a couple of times but just doesn't feel right and I love it's current sound. So I'll stick to the single pedal and not burying the beater too much.
Awesome! It’s kinda funny I think most would say they like the sound of a bass drum without a hole, but we all install a hole🤔 Great video, love your channel and looking forward to the drum head video 🎉✌️
I DID install a hole in this drum (got a secondhand head to cut the hole in) and feature it in my new video, a discussion of recording and mixing large bass drums for a sense of size while keeping them articulate for pop type music. Please check it out if you're interested in recording/mixing drums at all.
Thanks!
I’ve got a Ludwig and Leedy 14x28 that was some kind of concert or marching bass drum.
It makes for such a sick kick drum.
Indeed. I got the 28 Fever a good while ago and I have come to realm of wide open tuning thanks to simple batter tuning , your perfect beater ( heavy dense felt and or fluffy felts) and really concentrating on the Reso more. Cheers
I have a Ludwig drum like this but in a 40"!! 😶 Prob from the 70s. Had to remortgage my house for a drum head but it is a beast. I took the wrap off of it and clear coated the mahogany. It will prob end up as my coffee table. I also have a 28" that I haven't touched yet. Love the video.
Love this video so much I bought my own 28 kick...and I'm not even a drummer 😅 😂
Sounds so good with the muffling. Love it.
Yeah, I'm playing with this drum at bit at the moment... it's amazing how control and defined the sound can be, rhythmically, while still being absofreakinglutely huge at the same time!
Another great video. Thanks!
Sounds incredible
It's a fun drum!!
Bigger is always better for bottom end. sounds great. I bought my first kit off what the sales person told me about sizes they can tune too up or down. i got a fusion kit and it never did what i wanted it to. I got a 16 floor tom but i still couldn't get the sound i wanted out of it. (i've heard plenty of 16s that do btw) i ended up finding a pdp 18 and it just works. As soon as you put heads on it and have it nice and floppy with some tissue taped to it. Big bass drums are great but its hard putting toms over them and getting them in a car or other places. Just listen to that bad boy. Kenny arronoff uses an old wfl 26x14, because it works. Im not saying that smaller bass drums don't work but you will never get that out of them.
Agreed!
AND.... I find shallower drums to have richer low end, while deeper (more modern) kick drums tend toward greater 'punch,' but not true low end 'whump!'
Sounds fantastic. For just playing sans music I love that open sound. It has a very special character and goes well with that snare. Muffled it still sounds great but sounds a little less unusual.
Thanks so much! Yeah, I've spent so much time with it over the last week that I actually made it the subject of my new video with a more practical recording/mixing approach that I discuss in the video. Please check it out if you're interested in recording/mixing drums!
Thanks again!
@@drumdotpizza I’ll for sure tune in.
Damn ! Deeep! Nice , very nice! Them old cats had good sounding wide open drums.. i appreciate you sharing this with the drummers out here! Nice playing cousin! Mr. Tom🥁😎I gotta find one…
Finished your latest upload on kick depth and searched your awesome channel because I wanted to see the diameter side. LOVE the vibe and the just huge sound of that kick.
Oh, and FYI, I installed an internal mic with a Kelly Shu. WELL worth it, as sound techs should have no issues with it!!
Jealous! I think it sounds fantastic. I’d never get it to fit in my car though. I have one snare with a newer calf head, really like the feel off that head. Keep the videos coming, and I wish you all the best going in to the new year.
Hi love the sound,i have a 28x14 1950 Gretsch. Love it
Thanks for the video
This is inspiring. They sound good. Like and subscribed.
Sounds awesome man. I just acquired a 28" Yamaha marching base drum and am using it on my kit. Evans MX2 heads sound awesome. 28 inch all the way, big boomy base drums bring all the guts and funk.
That sheet material I've seen used in furniture upholstery; pillow and stuffed animal filler comes in a bag, and is bulkier like cotton candy. That is a hella bass drum 💪🏽
Yeah, the person who gave that fabric to me did all kinds of quilting, embroidery, knitting, making throws and throw pillows, etc., so I knew it was for something like that. It's a very light and fluffy, so I thought it'd be good for muffling in the absence of felt strips. It works well!
Thanks so much for your comment!
@@drumdotpizza I believe it's called batting, meant to be an in-between layer in a quilt. It's why quilts are heavy and warmer than thin fleece blankets. think of it as the patty of the quilt burger.
hey Joel Happy new year -notice that a two headed drum with depth equal to the radius of the head has the same surface of shell and head - meaning that the pressure inside is spread 50/50 on the shell and on the heads. Anything deeper is loss of pressure on the heads...cheers
Okay... cool! Never even thought about that.
You got me thinking....
@@drumdotpizza Joël I would be more than happy to chat drum acoustics with you (drumtailor@repercussion.fr)
That is one tubby sounding bass drum, but in the best possible way. I liked both approaches, and your batter head miking really helped it not muddy out in the mix. Noice!
I've never played a 28 inch bass drum before, does it respond quickly, or is it slow because it's so big? I use to play 24's and they were great. I assume you know that calf skin head will change with the weather and room temperature. I would try a powerstroke 3 front and back. Remo will make you stuff that big. A 28 inch use to be the standard size bass drum years ago, imagine dragging that around to a gig.
Great question! Yes, it feels odd to play not only because its so big (and moving a lot of air with each stroke), but it had no hole in the heads, so the only venting is the grommet on the badge (TOTALLY insufficient!!). As a result it 'pushes back' against each stroke making it feel really odd to play -- like a mini workout each time I play it.
I did, however, get a secondhand head for the front, so I could cut a hole without remorse :) Actually used that arrangement for this weeks video (released today), so if you're into recording/mixing drums you might want to check it out. It's about recording/mixing large (or unmuffled) bass drums for a sense of mass AND great definition/articulation for modern music.
Thanks so much!
@@drumdotpizza if it was cut down to a 12 inch wide bass drum it might not fight you as much and it might have more of a thump. I saw and just tapped on a 12x28 with my fingers a few years ago and that drum sounded good. I also read years ago that the bigger the bass drum, the narrower it should be, maybe.
Wow!! What a sound!!! Low end for days
Man this sounds sick
Man, you got a great sound from those old heads! Nice job!!! I am currently playing an early 60's (1, 2, or 3) Ludwig 10x28 marching bass drum that I refurbished into a kick. I'm using marching heads on it that have some muffling built in, and I've found that tuning both sides a little higher than I would expect to have to, gives me a great mix of punch and sustain, but still without sacrificing any of the lower end that you expect from such a large drum. I love it! I would love to see what you ended up doing with yours.
Wow!!!! Love that BOOM
I've got a 1954 Ludwig 30" I've been using in a punk band, it sounds like an 808 sample until the whole band starts playing. Had the chance to convert a 22" bass drum to a floor tom to accompany it, the whole kit is baritone
Also a 34" Premier that needs new heads but that's like $200
Wow.... got any audio you can share???
I like big drums too Joel. I play a 28 in vintage pearl. And you are right its a monster and I love it I also have a 26 in vintage Ludwig but the pearl is the daddy
wow, what a beast!!!!
I subscribed! Muffed or un-muffed, sweet chonky thump!
I'm sure you are familiar with the muffling technique of loosely filling the drum between 1/3 and 1/2 full of crumpled newspaper. It sounds pretty incredible the way it is, but that might tame it just enough for easier recording without sacrificing the character of the drum using the original heads.
I have heard of that technique for years, but have NEER actually tried it. Might be time...
Cheers!
I like the way you use to teach tips and tricks about drums ! i suscribe right now to your chanel great job dude thank you so much (y)
Awesome, thank you!
I have 28x14 L&L from the 30s. What they called Artist Series in 1940 was Standard Series in the mid-30s. Same drums exactly as far as I can tell. Or very similar. Anything just wanted to see what kind of sound you were getting and what heads. Thanks for making a vid on this beast.
New Subb here, just found ur channel this morn.
Started with your video/discussion on drumwraps as I just picked up a freebie set that I'm prob gonna attempt a rewrap on,(only did that once before years ago & easy-process, just time consuming). Anyways, glad I went & watched this vid as well so far cause I also Picked up my 1st ever Real vintage Bass Drum last summer here locally & although I did pop 1-head off just to inspect, it's basically sat in house here doing nothing since. Really glad you provided your info on yours cause I just assumed 20's-30's on mine but it looks pretty identicle to yours overall, minus the "custom paint" yours came with. Biggest thing now is I'm going to pop that head off again & see if I can't find that date code like yours and see if I can at least "Know what I really got here!"
Thanks & glad I tuned in from up here in small town PNW!:)
Glad you're here! Enjoy the drum!
Holy Moly! That surely is some impressive and magnificently sounding drum! What a tone and colour! Both muffled and unmuffled it sounds fantastic! Congratulations - I'm ever so slightly envious, I must admit 😊
With these huge sizes (say 26" and upwards) doesn't there come a point one cannot actually play it decently anymore with a bass drum pedal? I mean, drums sound best when hit in the center, but beaters on bass pedals only reach so far before the beater rod runs out of metal. Plus one can only extend a beater so far before it becomes unplayable with one's foot, having to chug the dead weight of the beater around.
Yeah, there is a margin of diminishing returns with the pedal and how close the beater is to the center. I never intended to have a kick drum this large (though I do have, and LOVE, a 1969 maple/poplar/maple Ludwig 26" kick that is amazing). This beast just popped up on my local online classifieds for cheap, so I thought, "well, let's see." I didn't realize till I actually saw it how original it was and its excellent condition. The seller got it in a foreclosed storage space he purchased. He wasn't a drummer, and didn't know what to do with it!
The biggest thing I notice about this drum is the 'push back' I get when playing it... there are no holes in the heads for mics (all my other kicks, including the 26", have holes in the front heads. This one has none, and I can definitely tell there is pressure that cannot be quickly released when playing it, so it tends to push back). Plus, with larger kicks like these they definitely lose much of the clarity of finesse in the playing (that's a lot of real estate moving when being struck, and the finer details get a bit lost in bigness of the sound). So it take a bit more deliberation to play cleanly than smaller drums, but it really is quite fun!
Thank you for your comments and for being here!
What snare drum is that?! Is sounds amazing!!!
find that the open sound is more useful than your muffle done, which pushes the tone... But all depends of muffling, of course
Fantastic ! one note and it's a lot of groove
That is bad azz... I wish I had the room for something like that..
For this bass drum you need the split colesium snare
Batting. The fluffy stuff.
I got my eye on an old Iowa State (maybe?) marching bass drum. I've done it before with a Yamaha Fieldcorps when I was younger (poorer) and it sounded great to me. Boomy as heck. Thoughts on that? Like, if it sounds nice, why tf not, right? And they're practically *giving* away big, old bass drums from colleges here in the midwest.
Yeah, I've been tempted by the prices of marching bass drums for years -- my '69 Ludwig 26x14 started life as a marching drum (but now it has spurs!). With the exception of that one I never pulled the trigger on any of the marching drums I've seen, but many have been tempting.
This 1940 Ludwig was on a local classified listing for a couple of months, and I just watched the price tick down and down until I finally made a lower offer, and the guy accepted. Wasn't till I actually saw it in person that I realized how complete and mint it was (except for the painted hoops, of course, but I'm gonna sand those).
Ludwig marketed this drum for "all around requirements," but it had no marching hardware or spurs... probably just used in a school concert band originally.
Amazing sounding drum. Maybe dry ice cleaning could be the solution to get the colour from the hoops
Dry ice cleaning?? Never heard of that. I'm planning to sand the hoops down to the maple and giving a satin clear coat to them, but wasn't (am not) sure how to remove the paint safely from the calfskin wrapped around the flesh hoops (when I took the back head off the hoop and flesh hoop were stuck together, no doubt from the paint, so I didn't try to separate them yet). I'll look into dry ice cleaning, thank you!
I really would like to remove the paint and restore the original appearance. I'm also gonna have to purchase at least a front head for this drum, so I can cut a hole for microphones (can't wait to mic this thing from the inside!).
@@drumdotpizza ua-cam.com/video/mFkBHXBlmPY/v-deo.html maybe it's worth to try this on a small part of the hoop.
Gorgeous sounding bass drum! ❤ I’d just muffle the snare a bit more as the overtone sticks out a bit too much. Thanks for the video!
Sounds great either Way but the second take I like better.I have a Ludwig 28x14 aswell from the 70's that I rewrapped in green sparkle.
Not for everyone but I love the big warm sound!!
I don’t see any spurs on it. How did you keep it from rolling around while playing it?
No factory spurs, no (most likely a school band bass drum for a few decades... no spurs). I have a pair of DW clip on spurs, however (fasten to the hoops), so all's good. I think you can see one in the thumbnail pic if you look closely... their on the front head.
Wow Tommy Lee never got a bass drum to sound like this
Even the bullet boyz didn’t get it like this
I’m building a 26 x 20 12 lug 4 spur Ludwig virgin
I’m going to build a 28
Build a drum riser cut out the bass drum so you can raise the pedal and mount toms on top also bring back the 20 x 20 floor toms
Put new skins on the 28 and re record
John Bonham loved this.
Ha!!! So did Buddy Rich!
I got to see Buddy live shortly before he died, and he was playing a 40's era Slingerland Radio King kit with a 26" bass drum that Joe McSweeny from Eames Drums Shells refurbed for him. Joe said in a later interview that Buddy had asked him to find/restore a 28" kick for him to use with that kit, but he died before Joe could deliver it.
So yeah... 28". BIG DRUM! :)
QUESTION, can you still play fast singles and Bonham triplets as efficiently on a giant bass drum, and also burry the beater? I’ve only played 22” my whole life? (Guessing it’s how you tune/tension it, and if you put a blanket\ muffling on the batter, inside the drum, while also putting a hole in the front. ) But hey, I ain’t no expert.
I have a 26x14… love a big kick!
love it
I just bought a 38 (or 36”) Ludwig keystone bass drum. 🤷🏿. I’m gonna make it a table unless someone wants to buy it from me. Cheap
Wow, I really dislike big drums, but this sounds that good it should be illegal lol. Here’s a ? Joel, add the years of that vintage stuff together, crazy!
I know! I can't believe that kick is 82 years old. And the snare I used in this video (featured in an earlier video) is a WFL from 1937 (a year before my mother was born!!). Can't believe these drums are still around to take more pounding!
@@drumdotpizza I really don’t think any of the big names make kits that last 80 some years these days. For example living in the UK I’m a Premier drums fan, and I’ve been after a Premier Signia Marquis, of which I believe stopped being built around 2002/ish. The few that I’ve seen even though they’ve been looked after are not in great shape. Love the content buddy, thanks for replying.
Wow. Never tested 28-incher. Must be huge sounding live in room.
I've tested only 26-incer that was 20 inches deep. The owner called it "the barrel house". You really need to use a force to kick that kind of a drum to get it sound good. He broke something like one DW 5000-pedal per year with that drum. Just for playing loud. Like _really_ loud. In balance, but loud.
So true! I gotta really lay into it to make it sound huge in the room... in truth it's so big that the heads on it seem to rumble with low pitch, but not such obvious low TONE (reminds me of the concert bass drum being struck on downbeats at the end of Yellow Submarine -- just long and out of control). Microphones, of course, hear things quite differently, and I am finding it VERY satisfying to record.
In fact, my new video is about recording and mixing this drum in a more normal fashion (I put a mylar head on the front with a hole cut in it for a microphone) with a focus on getting a HUGE sound while keeping it articulate for precise rhythms/modern music. Please check it out if you have an interest in recording drums -- it's my first 'recording drums' type video.
I just got a 1920 s ludwig & ludwig 27.5.. Sweet drums
Wow! Is it in good shape? I'm really enjoying this 1940... it's a beast, but so much fun to play!
@@drumdotpizza for its age id say its in great shape..very cool pice of drumming history
Tatsuya Amano of Crossfaith did wonders with that sized bass drum. Check him out guys!
Will do!
Joel, do you happen to own a Taye kit? I noticed the pedals haha...been consider a taye for church, cheers dude. even Ayotte is the radar
Good eye!!
My studio 'house' kit for years was a Taye Studio Maple kit (my son now owns it). I actually got a deal because of Ray Ayotte who ran the company at the time (2005-ish, I believe?). I had purchased a custom set from him 15 years before when he was doing custom builds out of his Vancouver Drums Only store, and he remembered me! Gave me a great deal on the Taye kit, and I enjoyed them very much. Nicely built, and far better than I believe they ever got credit for being.
I got quite acclimated to the hardware, so I kept it when I passed the shells on to my son.
@@drumdotpizza That’s cool Joel.. I almost bought Taye Go-kit but ended up with a uk custom built kit, (Highwood Drums) it was a lovely beech kit with 12 14 20 kick and 14x6 matching snare.
Ray Ayotte is a true gentleman and the Taye kits back in this era are basically Ayotte kits of today. The fist Ayotte kit I spotted was when I seen Third Day drummer play them Back in the late 90s.. The wooden hoops were new to me, a 17 yr old wannabe 😆
I’ve tried to get my son who is 13 to take interest in drums but he’s nuts on guitar, but I’ll have a jamming buddy soon lol.
@@RianGalway193 Third Day! No way! I actually played a worship gig back in the late 90s and Third Day were the featured band/artist for the event. The drummer (don't remember his name, sorry) asked me if he could play my kit (Ayotte), because he normally used Ayotte, but the backline kit hired for that gig wasn't Ayotte, and very nice, apparently. So he used my kit for that gig. Small world!
@@drumdotpizza 😂 wow, it’s a really small world, Joel. The Third Day drummer is called David Carr. As I mention, I’m in Ireland, but I was born in Florida and my family moved back home in the mid 80s when my father sold his pharmaceutical business. “Your Love’ o Lord” was the first Third Day song I really payed attention to, and I managed to go to a few gigs in which I got back stage on, and was privileged to talk with Mac for 20 mins. It was a couple of gigs Florida and also Georgia. I actually kept writing to Mac Powell as his Christian song writing is amazing and I am a huge fan, but the funny thing is I tweeted to Mac 8 yrs ago and he actually remembered me. I tweet him every few months to ask how he and his family are doing and he’s kind enough to tweet back with words of encouragement. Joel, there’s a chance I could of been at this gig 😂 wow!
Hello I want to make snare sound that I hear in the video but I don't know how to tune it Can you measure the lug pitch top and bottom snare with a tunebot?
I wish I could tell you, but I didn't write those settings down at the time.
It is currently tuned with 240 on batter (Aquarian TC) and 351 snare side (Aquarian CCSS) and sounds very similar. I hope that helps!
Oh, and Puresound 12-strand wires!
@@drumdotpizza Thank you very much
Have a good day:)
Where do you buy heads for it ?
Just got Aquarian Force I batter for it from Drum Factory Direct. LOVE the authority of this drum!
That snare needs some tuning. It's going "SQUONK!!!!!"
Cuz some people like it that big!
I like big drums, and I do not lie!
Sounds great.. when you store it you should slack off the heads a tad..ask how I know!!
I owned Mick Fleetwoods Tama rosewood 20x18 for a few years. It was no where as good sounding as that ludwig..
Please, do tell!!!
I bought an old ludwig kit years ago blue and silver Duco, 12 inch tom had bottom tack on calf top was adjustable, bass and floor tom had both heads adjustable . All calf heads and original to kit. I tuned it up and played the kit for a few weeks and stored it with my other kits.. By end of winter all the heads , except the floor tom had split from drying out and tension increasing as it dried out.
@@Camcodrummer Wow! That blows. Sorry that happened to you. Guess I'll be sure to keep this thing hydrated and back the tension off the heads when stored!
Interestingly enough this drum was in a storage space that was foreclosed on. The guy who purchased the contents of the space sold it to me (he wasn't a drummer), and I got a really good deal. I just wonder how long it sat there? It was pretty dusty when I picked it up. I did mention (I think) in the video that the back head was wrinkled when I got it, so I had to tension it higher before playing. So far so good!
Just wait until you find out about orchestral bass drums… haha!
The muffled head, definitely sounded better. Now, take some of honky ring out of that snare.
I like 26 and 28 drums. bored as hell with the 22
More talking less playing 😅
Too much talking...
Sounds great. Hope I get the same sound out of my 1950's 30in. By 16in. WFL. Love the sound out of your 28!!!!
Great insights as always. I had a question about Marching drums. Why do they sound so shallow inspite of all that shell depth? Sorry for a question this lame. I've seen quite a few drums, primarily drumset drums, but never a marching snare(the ones used in Drum Corps). Thanks and a Happy New Year.
Are you meaning marching bass drums or snare drums?
@@drumdotpizza Just the snare drums.
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