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There was a dragon break that randomly introduced agave to the Mediterranean, just like there was a dragon break that randomly introduced nirnroot to the Commonwealth.
@@dubuyajay9964 it's when meme magic coheres quantum fluctuations out of the multiverse to fractalize parallel realities and cross the timelines. I am typing this message, and I am not typing this message, but both, and neither.
@@warlordofbritannia No he isn't 😂 he sharing historical oddities not pseudo archeology, big difference. He not even claiming it's the absolute truth just speculating on the mysterious stories. Pseudo archeology is what history channel does with the ancient aliens crap.
imagine if they were allowed to be unprofessional like normal internet banter, some guy calling another dude a 2 sentence long insult with no meaning whatsoever but both of them have at least 2 phds to their names
I was the undergraduate representative on the Academic Affairs Committee for my college department. Some of the bickering I witnessed was pretty epic at the time and pretty funny in retrospect.
Honestly the idea of plant species having a larger than intended original range isn't even that out of the realm of possibility. Many species of plants are found on multiple continents, such as chestnuts (native to both North America and Asia), mulberries (also native to both Asia and North America), and even dandelions (pretty much grow anywhere but certain regions have pretty distinct subspecies). Now the different varieties often have unique characteristics that help them survive better in the specific area they originated from but more often than not still retain enough similarities to cross pollinate. It isn't even that uncommon of an occurance for one subspecies of a plant to become entirely extinct, either due to over harvesting of wild plants, sudden climate change, disease, or even purposeful purging (date palms are an excellent example of the last cause). So theoretically just because a plant is only found on one continent now doesn't necessarily mean it always was. For the custard apples it would be interesting to see if there are any distinct genetic differences of the plants across the regions they are found in both continents. Cause even if there were custard apples native to India by this point are probably hybridized to some extent with South American varieties but there would likely still be some distinct genetic differences. Could be a very interesting study.
I don't know much about plant evolution and it's gene research, but it becomes a much bigger mystery if we can proof that one specific species which happens to be in two different continents not sharing a close land connection has evolved after the land masses have diverged from each other. And idk how long it takes for birds to migrate from americas to anywhere else, because they could possibly carry seeds in their digestive systems. Do birds even migrate between america and europe or is it just between europe and africa?
100% agree as a biologist the Indian sub continent and South America were once part of Gonwana, just like the examples you mentioned happen because North America was once part of Laurasia
Larger range. Definitely. Not just plants though. The inscriptions have a larger range as well. Elder Futhark, Ogham, Block Hebrew, Greek, Pictish, Ancient Chinese, etc have all been found carved in North America with proof of antiquity. DNA has a larger range as well. Cherokee natives have recently been verified to contain as much as 50% Mediterranean DNA, with Mitochondrial lines from Greek, Egyptian and "Phoenician". There are plenty more, that's just an example. I use quotes on Phoenician because that's what Greeks called the Caananites. The fact that Phoenician ships were identical to Norse ships is not an example of larger range. That's a coincidence. The Finnish and Phoenician correlations are also coincidence. The Mayan and Egyptian correlations are also coincidence even though they have identical rituals in their own languages and their languages share words. Some might jump to conclusions, but what we're actually demonstrating is the fact that coincidence itself has a larger range. The hoardes of old world artifacts found in America are all hoaxes. Just because Harry Hubbard is a country boy from southern Illinois with a 6th grade education doesn't mean he can't carve 8 old world languages (grammatically correct and dead languages) into lab tested ancient materials. Gary Brewer did the same thing. The lab tested his materials 10 times because they thought the tests were wrong. The tests were not incorrect when they dated a wooden box to 2500 BC. What they really proved is hoaxes also have a much larger range. The proven ability of Ute elders to write in Block Hebrew is simply another coincidence. Or a hoax. Either way. Doesn't matter. What matters is Utah is not the land of Judah. Mormons are just hoaxing coincidencers. What we can learn from this is simple. There are coincidences, hoaxes, and things that have a much larger range, and that is all. There's no other explanation. The powers that be DO NOT LIE all the time constantly. That's just crazy talk. This whole time I thought Chinese was not a language 😉
Honestly, this is the perfect kind of content switch. The overlap of people interested in Bethesda games' mysteries and people interested in historical tales is... Well if it were a Venn Diagram, it'll nearly be a full circle. The wonders autism can do to someone's interest :3
It's pretty well documented at this point. The theories of Columbus being a crypto j and setting out for the America's on purpose for reason tied to masonic lodges and royal families are pretty interesting tho.
Well, that's an interesting thing.... The equatorial region has far less ocean to cross than what Columbus crossed, and much more favorable winds. Columbus used what was probably the absolute worst path to cross the ocean. Lief Erickson could have told him a few things about that.... Oh right, Lief never ventured into the "high seas" he stuck near the ice shelf.... which.. makes crossing the ocean a lot EASIER.... if you are in a ship designed for arctic seas and not a giant hunk of metal like Titanic.
Fallout was always a mostly known thing to me so I knew a bunch of stuff nate would talk about. Still enjoyed it. But him talking about literally anything he wants is exciting. This man's research level is god tier.
You have to appreciate that he explicitly says “some of these arguments are more robust than others” and “airing on the side of caution before passing judgement is wise”. Few people who would cover this topic would put such a prudent disclaimer, instead favouring sensationalist takes
I appreciate his video but the evidence piles past the Himalayas and half-way towards the Moon by now. It's not prudence, but ignorance at best and subservience at worst to an academia/whatever authority that lost all credibility decades ago. People really did travel to the Americas and back before the Vikings. What's everybody waiting for? The President of History to come out and say 'Oops we were wrong!'. People should come to their own conclusions.
Regarding the Polynesian encounter, the Spanish chroniclers in south America captured an earlier story of an Inca king named Tupac Yupanqui, that literally armed a fleet of exploration around 1450 and sailed west into the pacific for a couple of years, then came back with dark skinned people. Also, a Peruvian historian, Jose del Busto, did some anthropological work exactly in the marquesas and mangareva, and confirmed what Heyerdal noted, but also another legend of a ruler coming from the east, named “Tupa.”
@warlordofbritannia You write that as if it's a bad thing. Wether that's true or not is completely irrelevant. This is Nate's channel, not yours my guy
I´m not an archaeologist. I´m just trying to finish my thesis to get my degree in history, but I want to comment my ideas about this topic. Here in Mexico, during some excavations at the site of Calixtlahuaca, a curious maculine face made of terracotta was found on an undisturbed tomb (the tomb had gold objects, so definitely there was no post-spanish disturbance). After some studies, the object was catalogized as a Roman piece made between the second century before our era and the sixth of our era. The rest of the objects of the tombs were from the aztec era (1476-1510). Since we know that later indigenous civilizations used very old objects (for example some olmec objects on some offerings from the aztecs), it is considered that maybe a shipwreck that got from Europe to America, or even some contact between the Canarias islands and America. I personally think that there may well have been some contacts of America with other continents before Columbus, some more regular thatn others, like the polynessian case. Probably the other ones were just "lucky" encounters, if I can use the word, like this Mexican case. It´s interesting to think that there were irregular contacs across the oceans, but the introduction of America to the "world-system" described by Wallerstein happens after Columbus. I still believe that the development of the civilization in both America and Eurasia was independent, but with some cases of contact that, overall, didn´t affect anything until Columbus.
Very skeptical of any Roman "contact" or trade. At best it is something that washed ashore, seeing as how the grave itself is only from the 14th century, it being lost in the BCs or early ADs is more believable. I remember there was a Roman settlement on the Azores until the 4th AD. It makes sense maybe someone went west, wrecked, and it just so happen that one piece floated and reached the Mexican shores.
There's also the Magna Fuente bowl, found in Bolivia, which has Sumerian cuneiform writing on it... but it was found by an amateur, so it was dismissed by academics. However, as it was found half a century ago in a rural area of Bolivia, i think it is unlikely any local would have been fluent enough in cuneiform to have made it... who knows, but I'd be far more surprised if Columbus (or the Vikings) were the first to visit the Americas - humans have had boats for tens of thousands of years, and we are a curious bunch
The Incan Prince, Tupac Yupanqui is known to have sailed to the islands of Auachumbi and Ninachumbi, Mangareva and Easter. Very much within the realm of Eastern Polynesia.
You are very correct, I wish I had included a section discussing what the Spanish chroniclers had to say about that, but the video was already getting a bit too long haha
Nate I’ve watched everything you’ve made. I figured you’d run out of stuff to talk about eventually but this new content, I really like where this is going. Excited to see more!
I basically live on your channel, and have for years. I’ve always been so picky about commentary, but, Ive always enjoyed everything you put out. So please never stop or I’ll be lost 😂.
Watch, Bethesda takes inspiration from the aguve' and potential roman connections to north America for having hammerfell (via the empire) having had contact with akavir long ago
He had to have meant Scandinavian, since he is showing that pic. But it's really funny that technically what he said was true... you are right, they for sure were there in the 10th century, and I sure hope most people accept that
To be fair, that is to say that Polynesians didn't have comparatively advanced shipfairing abilities long before European sailors started venturing far from the coastline. It is genuinely insane how far the Polynesian people spread through the Pacific.
@@boma7963 yeah I don't find it believable that NO Polynesians made landfall int he Americas. You expect me to believe that they spread to places like Easter Island and Hawaii but no further? lol....
Fascinating research Nate! Epic indeed! It reminds me of a finding of arrowheads on the Santa Cruz islands off the coast of California that were knapped obsidian of a methodology resembling ancestral Japanese techniques. It was theorized that seaweed fishers following the coasts near may have been blown horrifically off course.
A FEW NOTES: 1. There are related agave plants indigenous to the eastern Mediterranean. 2. The osage orange, magnolia, pine, and various non-custard apple fruits look very similar not to mention others. 3. New Zealand was already occupied when the Polynesians arrived. That's another mystery encounter. 4. The Rapa Nui blood specimens were taken in 1971 from people "believed to be native". Considering that the island had a native population of 111 in 1877, any genetic analyses 100+ yrs later would be laughably invalid. Also, they were enslaved by Peru in the early 1700's with people mating and moving back and forth until Chile took them over in the later 1800's. I don't know why Ioannidis claimed to assert a timeline of island settling from such immensely tainted data. The winds may have carried sweet potatoes west in a hollow tree used for storage if it got caught in an outgoing tide. 5. "The earliest record of Europeans in this region [WA state, America] doesn't occur until 1774." Well, Sir Francis Drake was chilling on the coast of Oregon in 1579, only ~250 miles south of the Ozette site. That being said, the knives and bamboo most likely came from flotsam carried over by ocean currents from Japan like we saw after the 2011 tsunami. 6. I can handle when new data is slightly outside the established timeline, but what is with some of these whack-a-doodle artifacts passing the temporal standard deviations like a rumble strip on the side of a road? OOPARTs are intriguing to me, but the fact that they are lone outliers is suspicious. It's not proof that they are wrong on the dates, but if my bedroom floor is any indication, humans leave stuff everywhere they go (bones, tools, etc.). So where is the trail showing a timeline of migration or evolution?
dude you’re literally so awesome. how is your channel exactly my niche of videos? elder scrolls lore and some anthropology/archaeology is a crazy combo
Delightfully well done compiling of research. You mentioned "opening your wallet to academic journals" at the end. I'm a graduate student at a university with a dismal (none) budget for online library access, and I've found a lot of success emailing one or two of the first names on a paper and just asking them to send me a copy of their paper. Don't be afraid to give that a shot if you want to dive deeper in the future. Great work again.
My grandparents used to tell me and my brothers stories they’d heard about pre columbian contact from their grandparents (who heard it from theirs and so on). Always has been a fascinating subject to me.
All those years of practice researching fallout and skyrim lore probably helped with the disciplines needed for deep dive mystery research still enjoying the shift in content
Too late! More seriously, even if some parts of some things can be pieced together from archaeology on one side and scripture on the other (regardless of what scripture) that doesn't mean it's the sole or even most likely possibility, just one plausible interpretation.
Hey Nate I just wanted to say thank you for giving us quality content no matter how long it may be between uploads. I’m just glad it’s always good quality. So thank you man.
Personally I think it’s a lot more plausible that agave was present in the eastern Mediterranean, the climate is perfect, and the areas where agave could have lived are arid and dry (specifically Cyprus, Greece, Southern Turkey, and maybe even along the coast of Syria and Lebanon) compared to if it was never present, I highly doubt the Greeks sailed through the Mediterranean and then even further west to reach the Americas, found a large enough empire that could participate in trade across the Atlantic. Just my opinion though, I also believe that durians were depicted on the stupa and not custard apples.
Agave fibre is such a tough, useful material that I think if it occurred in the Mediterranean prior to 1492, there would be some record of it, or even samples of it, other than one shipwreck.
@@hekatoncheiros208 If it had a limited enough range it couldve gone extinct in the region and we have just gotten unlucky with artifacts. For example Crete goes through eras of being densely forested to basically a desert due to over lumbering for ships, if it was being used as a ship liner I could see it being over harvested to extinction.
So for the record, pre-Columbian contact has been confirmed. The site L'Anse Aux Meadows in Newfoundland Canada is an almost thousand year old Viking settlement discovered in the 60s. That beats Colombus by 500 years!
I really appreciate the attitude of caution and critical thinking that you demonstrate in this video. Misinformation and conspiracy theories are an important issue in science communication and i was initially worried that you might be going down that road with this video, but i don't feel that way after actually watching it. This has been fascinating, and i would love to see more real world history on this channel in the future!
Though your speaking of plant material & DNA. Around Bolivia/Peru, mummies in pit burials in high elevations had many mummified dog burials as well. The DNA of some of these dogs come from a Danish sheep herding dog specific to an island in Denmark. 🔥
Nate, I came to your channel years ago for Elder Scrolls Lore and "10 Things You Missed in Skyrim" series. While I would love for you to return to Bethesda stuff again, please don't leave these kind of videos behind and instead keep doing them. They're fantastic!
While I enjoy the vids to. I feel Nate has milked Bethesdas teat bone dry. Gotta do other stuff till Bethesda releases, hopefully, not another mid game.
@16:52 I grow Cherimoya which are a custard apple and I can easily imagine it spreading across the world as a delicacy and getting incorporated into religious depictions. When they’re ripe they taste like ice cream and people who are in the know go nuts for them.
@@gregb6469 Irish monks, took eremitic residence in parts of Iceland before the Norsemen settled the island. Their existence is attested by the early Icelandic sagas and recent archaeological findings. Saint Brendan the Navigator, who allegedly sailed to North America around the 6th century. However, this is considered a myth or a legend, and there is no physical evidence to support the claim. The Navigatio Sancti Brendani, a medieval text describing Brendan’s voyages, is thought to be a work of fiction or exaggeration. The Vikings, on the other hand, are well-documented to have reached North America around 1000 Ad, with evidence of settlements in present-day Canada and Greenland. There is no evidence to suggest that Irish monks reached South America before the Vikings.
@@cathalodiubhain5739 The problem that archeologists have is that they automatically think that something is an exaggeration until they are proven wrong.
Ahhh such is the way of science. A bunch of "smart" people throwin darts at a dart board till somthin sticks. And then later moving that dart to the bullseye once they find out they were wrong and correct the mistake. And then, 20 years later, we find out that they were completely wrong and not a word they said was factual.
Point of order about indigenous trade networks: the missipians had artefacts from across north America from bith coasts. But the currents make just as much sense. I'm curious why there hasn't been studies if different metals in Japan. The smelting and forging process of Katanas is different from what they would perform for ship fittings.
Their job isn’t to be inquisitive, it’s to direct the inquisitiveness of their audience away from government black projects while taking them away from scientific thought and into the realm of christian theology.
Nate you've had plenty compliments already, but as an Anthro grad I do want to say the quality of the research and commentary in this video slaps. Genuine A tier content, perhaps S. More balanced than some of the materials we were given in class! And literally every time I thought of a critique, or felt you were pushing one line too hard without allowing space for another, you almost instantly corrected yourself and proved my concerns unjustified.
I love your Bethesda mystery videos but this video was incredible, I absolutely love this kind of stuff and your narration is one of my favorites on UA-cam.
Proud of you, glad to see you pivot to this original content, it’s a new avenue but you’ll do great 🙏 This video was one of my favorite from you, great topic would love to see more - update on Jan 1st 2025
Nate youre back, I was with you when you first made this awsome channel, and than you left and broke my heart. NOW you're back, YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.
I’d like to give you a testament to how good your videos are. I have never played Fallout, Skyrim, or any other game you’ve covered, and my history knowledge is also limited, but I still can’t get enough of your content.
It's a genius switch tbh, so many other Lore channels are dying and regurgitating old content, with their views and subscribers plateauing. Meanwhile Nate has found a new way to keep interest in his channel going until ES 6
Hey Nate you should 100% continue down this historical path. I’m a huge history fan, and your skill of research from other lore videos sets you up to adapt very easily to history content. I’m not saying stop your other stuff, but I’d 100% love to see a larger focus on historical videos!! Whatever interests you will be loved by me I’m sure, I love hearing people rant about the interesting things we find in research. DJ Peach Cobbler is one of my favorite channels and made his adaption from video games to history very natural, his latest video on GTAIV completely made me rethink how we document our cultures and share it to the wilder world
Fascinating research Nate! Epic indeed! It reminds me of a finding of arrowheads on the Santa Cruz islands off the coast of California that were knapped obsidian of a methodology resembling ancestral Japanese techniques. It was theorized that seaweed fishers following the coasts near may have been blown horrifically off course. I haven't followed up on this, but it stands to reason, what with our species's wanderlust.
@29:00 Morphology is pretty much the goto for identifying organisms, it’s not as basic as you’re making it out to be. Usually genetic analysis is a check and has more to do with determining ancestry. That said the next step here is to go into the wilds of India and start collecting samples from wild and ‘portugese’ custard apples as well as the south american originator and do a standard genetic analysis to see if any of the wild lines are distinct from the portugese ones.
7:37 - With the agave, I'd be curious if anyone has done a genetic sampling of it. If it's a species that can be directly linked to the America's then that has some compelling implications, but also if it doesn't it could also imply that possible the assumption agave is only endemic to the Americas could actually end up being the disproven information. Personally I'd find a plant being endemic to a previously unknown location just as interesting as pre-Columbian contact. Like if they had agave and it was important enough for ship construction, what happened to it? Did the variety go extinct or did they just develop better technique? This is all on the assumption that the samples still exist in a viable state to be tested, but it'd be fascinating to have more information.
This is an absolutely amazing video. I thoroughly enjoyed it. I love listening to you so the fact that it’s not something having to do with video games doesn’t bother me at all. You present this with the same approach and character as you do gaming stuff and I think I’ve just gotten used to that style. I’m very appreciative that I can learn such amazing new things from a content creator. I already enjoy. Thank you for this.
wow man nice video. i added this to my playlist to run in the background as i drifted off to sleep, and accidentally this video did anything but that, instead i couldnt stop watching it, and ive yet to turn it off yet, and i certainly didnt sleep thru it. very nice job. turned boring academic stuff loosely related to some passions of mine into directly related things more in tune with my passions than i could have purposely searched for and found. ive looked for a video this related with more than a spackling of new stuff for quite a while, and i accidentally found in you video more new material but still related than i probably did on purpose EVER. that is a lot of compliment in one comment. but you earned me and my subscription many times over. i feel like i need to go find more people to blindly turn on to your channel just to cover my amazement by itself. good job doesnt begin to sound like enough of a comment, but im running out of words. good job.
Thanks for this Nate! Came down with the flu a few days ago and this video is a much needed distraction! Love how you went from covering my faourite video games to covering my other major intest, history! Keep up the amazing work my dude! As a long time viewer i really like the shift in content since you returned :)
Nate I gotta say these history videos are JUST as awesome as anything else you've ever done and I am glad you've expanded to these kinds of videos in addition to the usual Bethesda franchise related videos. Massive W IMO.
Fun fact: Thor Heyerdahl is a relative of Canadian actor Christopher Heyerdahl who plays an incredible antagonist. He's best known for playing The Swede in Hell on Wheels
Hey guys. Sorry to break this too you but that’s a durian not a custard apple. They also grow in a small shrub like tree and have a unique scaly texture and are native to south east asia. I’m no expert but my gut feel is that’s a durian.
I’d also love to see a culinary literature analysis because I think recipes containing these ingredients would be much more conclusive than labs of 3000 year old plants.
Finally hey man do yo thing just as fun to listen to as video game lore but actually educational. Your even hand in weighing other peoples theories is just as strong here as games.
Commenting as I watch here so I’m probably missing context buuuuuut. India has been going through a Hindu nationalist fervor that is warping big parts of society in ways that are hard to detect to westerners. I feel like a paper that argues that a fruit that is very popular in India was not introduced by westerners hits all the beats of nationalist bad science. It’s easy to argue that your people had all of the culture that you cherish without any help/interference when your at a middling anthro program that has a very bad replication rate and receives most of its funding from your nationalist government. Hot take there is a lot of politics that would help this theory. If I’m way off base and this theory is pre modi please let me know but I think this would be an important addition to your coloring of the theory.
well considering this type of video you probably could get away with using at least a little bit of copyright material/this is technically an educational video so it does fall under further use
At this point Nate, Bethesda would be stupid to not hire you as head of research for all lore. Love the dive into the real world. Please keep up the amazing work
while i prefer the fallout/skyrim content, i can understand why you are branching out as there hasn't been very much new lore in a very long time if there were some other game lore you got interested in, i'm sure your fans would enjoy videos about it
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I am happy you are back king I jus finished rewatching all the old Skyrim mysteries and fallouts versions I am happy you are back
@EpicNate hey nate what happened to the children atom deep dive video.
@@remingtonbaker1804 @ strangest thing, we got a copyright strike from Zenimax.
I reached out to Zenimax and they insisted it wasn’t actually them, but a bad actor. Appealed twice to UA-cam and was denied.
Spoke to my UA-cam Partner manager about it and we have a third appeal making its way through a more intimate review process but it’s been months.
He did all the fallout lore, all the elderscrolls lore, AND NOW HE WILL CHRONICLE THE ENTIRE TIMELINE OF THE UNIVERSE.
By the gods, can nothing stop him???
Mr. House probably gonna be popping up any year now
@@hault360we have yet to witness this unstoppable force meet an immovable object.. only time will tell
It's the natural evolution
@@fortune2515 Right now he is too busy watching cocomelon and skibidi toilet
cant believe only todd howard knows the answer to these mysteries, and todd howard wont tell
gotta keep the mysterious lands mysterious
Petrol in the Mojave...
“Yup. That’s me.”
Congratulations, I actually laughed😂
I love how Todd Howard got highlighted like an important topic for me on mobile
Hey Nate, Guys here. How’s it going
I always say “Hey Nate, it’s guys here”at every episode start lol
@ it must be done
Hi thirsty, I’m dad.
My name's literally Guy lol
@ Hey Nate, Guy here!
There was a dragon break that randomly introduced agave to the Mediterranean, just like there was a dragon break that randomly introduced nirnroot to the Commonwealth.
What's a dragon break?
@dubuyajay9964 it's when an elder scroll causes a time paradox and a divergence in timelines.
@@dubuyajay9964 it's when meme magic coheres quantum fluctuations out of the multiverse to fractalize parallel realities and cross the timelines. I am typing this message, and I am not typing this message, but both, and neither.
@@TylerChambbuuuut Septumus knows YOU CAN KNOW!
@@TylerChambwhat. The. Fuck. Does. This. Mean.
I'm already highly interested in this type content so definitely don't mind the change in content.
@@warlordofbritannia No he isn't 😂 he sharing historical oddities not pseudo archeology, big difference. He not even claiming it's the absolute truth just speculating on the mysterious stories. Pseudo archeology is what history channel does with the ancient aliens crap.
I very much would like to see him do a LOT more of this content... like almost as much as fallout and elder scrolls...
I think people who get into elder scrolls lore get into it because of the history, so it makes since 😆
I think it's the voice I love history I love his other stuff but the voice throws me off like why you gotta say it like that
I always love how Academic Papers and Responses are basically like internet fights, but everyone has a PHD !
imagine if they were allowed to be unprofessional like normal internet banter, some guy calling another dude a 2 sentence long insult with no meaning whatsoever but both of them have at least 2 phds to their names
Thanx to GI bill😊
I was the undergraduate representative on the Academic Affairs Committee for my college department. Some of the bickering I witnessed was pretty epic at the time and pretty funny in retrospect.
I heard a quote about that "the reason academic disputes get's so heated is because there is so little at stake"
If you think the papers are wild, you should see the peer reviews....
Et Al has written so many paper it's crazy!
My favorite rapper is feat.
@@PrussianPushma not just a rapper! I've seen him in many other genres
@@hyperturbotechnomike Eh, not as funny as the prior comments.
@@MrEnjoivolcom1I just shit myself
@@PrussianPushmawho is feat? And why is he in so many songs?
literally just looked up your channel 2 minutes before this was uploaded thinking to myself that I haven't seen a Nate video pop up in a while
I do a little astral projecting
@@EpicNate Do more astral projection, content is good
@@EpicNate sooooooooooooooo this is new
Honestly the idea of plant species having a larger than intended original range isn't even that out of the realm of possibility. Many species of plants are found on multiple continents, such as chestnuts (native to both North America and Asia), mulberries (also native to both Asia and North America), and even dandelions (pretty much grow anywhere but certain regions have pretty distinct subspecies). Now the different varieties often have unique characteristics that help them survive better in the specific area they originated from but more often than not still retain enough similarities to cross pollinate. It isn't even that uncommon of an occurance for one subspecies of a plant to become entirely extinct, either due to over harvesting of wild plants, sudden climate change, disease, or even purposeful purging (date palms are an excellent example of the last cause). So theoretically just because a plant is only found on one continent now doesn't necessarily mean it always was. For the custard apples it would be interesting to see if there are any distinct genetic differences of the plants across the regions they are found in both continents. Cause even if there were custard apples native to India by this point are probably hybridized to some extent with South American varieties but there would likely still be some distinct genetic differences. Could be a very interesting study.
I don't know much about plant evolution and it's gene research, but it becomes a much bigger mystery if we can proof that one specific species which happens to be in two different continents not sharing a close land connection has evolved after the land masses have diverged from each other. And idk how long it takes for birds to migrate from americas to anywhere else, because they could possibly carry seeds in their digestive systems. Do birds even migrate between america and europe or is it just between europe and africa?
I'm pretty sure I've heard or read that dandelions were introduced to the Americas.
100% agree as a biologist the Indian sub continent and South America were once part of Gonwana, just like the examples you mentioned happen because North America was once part of Laurasia
Cotton is a plant to look at in this type of context
Larger range. Definitely. Not just plants though. The inscriptions have a larger range as well. Elder Futhark, Ogham, Block Hebrew, Greek, Pictish, Ancient Chinese, etc have all been found carved in North America with proof of antiquity. DNA has a larger range as well. Cherokee natives have recently been verified to contain as much as 50% Mediterranean DNA, with Mitochondrial lines from Greek, Egyptian and "Phoenician". There are plenty more, that's just an example. I use quotes on Phoenician because that's what Greeks called the Caananites. The fact that Phoenician ships were identical to Norse ships is not an example of larger range. That's a coincidence. The Finnish and Phoenician correlations are also coincidence. The Mayan and Egyptian correlations are also coincidence even though they have identical rituals in their own languages and their languages share words. Some might jump to conclusions, but what we're actually demonstrating is the fact that coincidence itself has a larger range. The hoardes of old world artifacts found in America are all hoaxes. Just because Harry Hubbard is a country boy from southern Illinois with a 6th grade education doesn't mean he can't carve 8 old world languages (grammatically correct and dead languages) into lab tested ancient materials. Gary Brewer did the same thing. The lab tested his materials 10 times because they thought the tests were wrong. The tests were not incorrect when they dated a wooden box to 2500 BC. What they really proved is hoaxes also have a much larger range. The proven ability of Ute elders to write in Block Hebrew is simply another coincidence. Or a hoax. Either way. Doesn't matter. What matters is Utah is not the land of Judah. Mormons are just hoaxing coincidencers. What we can learn from this is simple. There are coincidences, hoaxes, and things that have a much larger range, and that is all. There's no other explanation. The powers that be DO NOT LIE all the time constantly. That's just crazy talk. This whole time I thought Chinese was not a language 😉
They build the lighthouse of Alexandria thus allowing their galleys and triremes to pass through ocean tiles 🤷♀️
lmao
Honestly, this is the perfect kind of content switch. The overlap of people interested in Bethesda games' mysteries and people interested in historical tales is... Well if it were a Venn Diagram, it'll nearly be a full circle.
The wonders autism can do to someone's interest :3
Idk about autism, but I do love me some ancient history and mystery 😂
You didn't really have to call me out like that, did you? ):
@@thenoteworthy1298 Calling out myself too, no worries x3
@@NorthEevee Aye, fair enough.
The way people use autism online these days is so annoying
Pre-Columbian contact is one of the most tantalizing ancient possibilities, theres just enough little bits and threads to demand further answers
It's pretty well documented at this point.
The theories of Columbus being a crypto j and setting out for the America's on purpose for reason tied to masonic lodges and royal families are pretty interesting tho.
Well, that's an interesting thing.... The equatorial region has far less ocean to cross than what Columbus crossed, and much more favorable winds. Columbus used what was probably the absolute worst path to cross the ocean. Lief Erickson could have told him a few things about that.... Oh right, Lief never ventured into the "high seas" he stuck near the ice shelf.... which.. makes crossing the ocean a lot EASIER.... if you are in a ship designed for arctic seas and not a giant hunk of metal like Titanic.
Fallout was always a mostly known thing to me so I knew a bunch of stuff nate would talk about. Still enjoyed it. But him talking about literally anything he wants is exciting. This man's research level is god tier.
Woah Nate’s doing real life lore now? Awesome!
He has two other videos if you missed them.
You have to appreciate that he explicitly says “some of these arguments are more robust than others” and “airing on the side of caution before passing judgement is wise”. Few people who would cover this topic would put such a prudent disclaimer, instead favouring sensationalist takes
I appreciate his video but the evidence piles past the Himalayas and half-way towards the Moon by now. It's not prudence, but ignorance at best and subservience at worst to an academia/whatever authority that lost all credibility decades ago. People really did travel to the Americas and back before the Vikings.
What's everybody waiting for? The President of History to come out and say 'Oops we were wrong!'. People should come to their own conclusions.
I gotta say... that kind of devotion to getting things right is why I'm here.
Dang, Fallout lore is getting crazier.
Only Todd Howard knows if there were Pre-columbian contacts, but Todd Howard don't speak
If it happened before the divergence around WW2 then all this is fallout lore
@@breadm8101 Yeah, this is true. All RW history applies in theory.
Regarding the Polynesian encounter, the Spanish chroniclers in south America captured an earlier story of an Inca king named Tupac Yupanqui, that literally armed a fleet of exploration around 1450 and sailed west into the pacific for a couple of years, then came back with dark skinned people.
Also, a Peruvian historian, Jose del Busto, did some anthropological work exactly in the marquesas and mangareva, and confirmed what Heyerdal noted, but also another legend of a ruler coming from the east, named “Tupa.”
No way?! Real life lore?
It fits. Plus, he's got the voice that makes you want to listen.
@warlordofbritannia You write that as if it's a bad thing. Wether that's true or not is completely irrelevant. This is Nate's channel, not yours my guy
Better than the channel with the same name
@Smirnaffskiy Yeah that channel is so garbage, clickbait titles, garbage takes and way too much yapping unrelated to the video content
He's been doing it for awhile, Fallout hasn't been doing anything so he needed to diversify. I enjoy it personally.
I´m not an archaeologist. I´m just trying to finish my thesis to get my degree in history, but I want to comment my ideas about this topic.
Here in Mexico, during some excavations at the site of Calixtlahuaca, a curious maculine face made of terracotta was found on an undisturbed tomb (the tomb had gold objects, so definitely there was no post-spanish disturbance). After some studies, the object was catalogized as a Roman piece made between the second century before our era and the sixth of our era. The rest of the objects of the tombs were from the aztec era (1476-1510). Since we know that later indigenous civilizations used very old objects (for example some olmec objects on some offerings from the aztecs), it is considered that maybe a shipwreck that got from Europe to America, or even some contact between the Canarias islands and America.
I personally think that there may well have been some contacts of America with other continents before Columbus, some more regular thatn others, like the polynessian case. Probably the other ones were just "lucky" encounters, if I can use the word, like this Mexican case. It´s interesting to think that there were irregular contacs across the oceans, but the introduction of America to the "world-system" described by Wallerstein happens after Columbus. I still believe that the development of the civilization in both America and Eurasia was independent, but with some cases of contact that, overall, didn´t affect anything until Columbus.
That's awesome.
Very skeptical of any Roman "contact" or trade. At best it is something that washed ashore, seeing as how the grave itself is only from the 14th century, it being lost in the BCs or early ADs is more believable.
I remember there was a Roman settlement on the Azores until the 4th AD. It makes sense maybe someone went west, wrecked, and it just so happen that one piece floated and reached the Mexican shores.
There's also the Magna Fuente bowl, found in Bolivia, which has Sumerian cuneiform writing on it... but it was found by an amateur, so it was dismissed by academics. However, as it was found half a century ago in a rural area of Bolivia, i think it is unlikely any local would have been fluent enough in cuneiform to have made it... who knows, but I'd be far more surprised if Columbus (or the Vikings) were the first to visit the Americas - humans have had boats for tens of thousands of years, and we are a curious bunch
The Vikings definitely made it to America before Columbus. Look up the L’Anse aux Meadows in Newfoundland.
Nate covers that but for some reason he says native Americans instead of Vikings or Norse.
The Incan Prince, Tupac Yupanqui is known to have sailed to the islands of Auachumbi and Ninachumbi, Mangareva and Easter. Very much within the realm of Eastern Polynesia.
yeah, the second culture on Easter Island... is currently thought to have been Central Americans
You are very correct, I wish I had included a section discussing what the Spanish chroniclers had to say about that, but the video was already getting a bit too long haha
The turn of this channel into Historical Mysteries is something that I never expected but have come to adore. It's just so peak 😩 👌
You talk about ancient peoples very respectfully, which I greatly appreciate.
Nate I’ve watched everything you’ve made. I figured you’d run out of stuff to talk about eventually but this new content, I really like where this is going. Excited to see more!
I basically live on your channel, and have for years. I’ve always been so picky about commentary, but, Ive always enjoyed everything you put out. So please never stop or I’ll be lost 😂.
Watch, Bethesda takes inspiration from the aguve' and potential roman connections to north America for having hammerfell (via the empire) having had contact with akavir long ago
31:51 you mean Scandinavian right? Cause…obviosly the native Americans were here in the 10th century
He had to have meant Scandinavian, since he is showing that pic. But it's really funny that technically what he said was true... you are right, they for sure were there in the 10th century, and I sure hope most people accept that
It's more believable Scandinavians landed in some parts of North America than Polynesians
Scandinavians had very advanced ships for the time
To be fair, that is to say that Polynesians didn't have comparatively advanced shipfairing abilities long before European sailors started venturing far from the coastline. It is genuinely insane how far the Polynesian people spread through the Pacific.
@@boma7963 yeah I don't find it believable that NO Polynesians made landfall int he Americas. You expect me to believe that they spread to places like Easter Island and Hawaii but no further? lol....
I was just testing you, wanted to make sure you were paying attention!
Fascinating research Nate! Epic indeed! It reminds me of a finding of arrowheads on the Santa Cruz islands off the coast of California that were knapped obsidian of a methodology resembling ancestral Japanese techniques. It was theorized that seaweed fishers following the coasts near may have been blown horrifically off course.
A FEW NOTES:
1. There are related agave plants indigenous to the eastern Mediterranean.
2. The osage orange, magnolia, pine, and various non-custard apple fruits look very similar not to mention others.
3. New Zealand was already occupied when the Polynesians arrived. That's another mystery encounter.
4. The Rapa Nui blood specimens were taken in 1971 from people "believed to be native". Considering that the island had a native population of 111 in 1877, any genetic analyses 100+ yrs later would be laughably invalid. Also, they were enslaved by Peru in the early 1700's with people mating and moving back and forth until Chile took them over in the later 1800's. I don't know why Ioannidis claimed to assert a timeline of island settling from such immensely tainted data.
The winds may have carried sweet potatoes west in a hollow tree used for storage if it got caught in an outgoing tide.
5. "The earliest record of Europeans in this region [WA state, America] doesn't occur until 1774." Well, Sir Francis Drake was chilling on the coast of Oregon in 1579, only ~250 miles south of the Ozette site. That being said, the knives and bamboo most likely came from flotsam carried over by ocean currents from Japan like we saw after the 2011 tsunami.
6. I can handle when new data is slightly outside the established timeline, but what is with some of these whack-a-doodle artifacts passing the temporal standard deviations like a rumble strip on the side of a road? OOPARTs are intriguing to me, but the fact that they are lone outliers is suspicious. It's not proof that they are wrong on the dates, but if my bedroom floor is any indication, humans leave stuff everywhere they go (bones, tools, etc.). So where is the trail showing a timeline of migration or evolution?
The arrival of which Polynesians in New Zealand? and who was already here? Patuparaehae?
@@alexsetterington3142 Patuparaehae or the people on whom they were based. Either way, they are interesting.
you’re so goated i love these videos
dude you’re literally so awesome. how is your channel exactly my niche of videos? elder scrolls lore and some anthropology/archaeology is a crazy combo
Babe wake up he’s back! (I am immensely lonely)
He liked it
🫂🫂
Unrelated to the video topic, I love your username. Clever!
Delightfully well done compiling of research. You mentioned "opening your wallet to academic journals" at the end. I'm a graduate student at a university with a dismal (none) budget for online library access, and I've found a lot of success emailing one or two of the first names on a paper and just asking them to send me a copy of their paper. Don't be afraid to give that a shot if you want to dive deeper in the future. Great work again.
See you trying to branch out.
If bethesda refuses to get off their buts and make anything of value then the boy needs to find a way to eat!
My grandparents used to tell me and my brothers stories they’d heard about pre columbian contact from their grandparents (who heard it from theirs and so on). Always has been a fascinating subject to me.
do you mind sharing a story?
All those years of practice researching fallout and skyrim lore probably helped with the disciplines needed for deep dive mystery research
still enjoying the shift in content
Dude, i'm chilean and I had no fucking idea that the mapuches and the rapanuis used the word "toki" in the same way.
That's fucking fascinating
Dont let the mormons find this
Too late!
More seriously, even if some parts of some things can be pieced together from archaeology on one side and scripture on the other (regardless of what scripture) that doesn't mean it's the sole or even most likely possibility, just one plausible interpretation.
Hey Nate I just wanted to say thank you for giving us quality content no matter how long it may be between uploads. I’m just glad it’s always good quality. So thank you man.
Personally I think it’s a lot more plausible that agave was present in the eastern Mediterranean, the climate is perfect, and the areas where agave could have lived are arid and dry (specifically Cyprus, Greece, Southern Turkey, and maybe even along the coast of Syria and Lebanon) compared to if it was never present, I highly doubt the Greeks sailed through the Mediterranean and then even further west to reach the Americas, found a large enough empire that could participate in trade across the Atlantic. Just my opinion though, I also believe that durians were depicted on the stupa and not custard apples.
Agave fibre is such a tough, useful material that I think if it occurred in the Mediterranean prior to 1492, there would be some record of it, or even samples of it, other than one shipwreck.
@@hekatoncheiros208 If it had a limited enough range it couldve gone extinct in the region and we have just gotten unlucky with artifacts. For example Crete goes through eras of being densely forested to basically a desert due to over lumbering for ships, if it was being used as a ship liner I could see it being over harvested to extinction.
So for the record, pre-Columbian contact has been confirmed. The site L'Anse Aux Meadows in Newfoundland Canada is an almost thousand year old Viking settlement discovered in the 60s.
That beats Colombus by 500 years!
this was commonly known already
@ I know?
I really appreciate the attitude of caution and critical thinking that you demonstrate in this video. Misinformation and conspiracy theories are an important issue in science communication and i was initially worried that you might be going down that road with this video, but i don't feel that way after actually watching it. This has been fascinating, and i would love to see more real world history on this channel in the future!
I’m loving this real world stuff you’re doing!
Though your speaking of plant material & DNA. Around Bolivia/Peru, mummies in pit burials in high elevations had many mummified dog burials as well. The DNA of some of these dogs come from a Danish sheep herding dog specific to an island in Denmark. 🔥
Now THAT is interesting. :D Well, honestly them having domestic dogs at all is interesting in and of itself.
Nate, I came to your channel years ago for Elder Scrolls Lore and "10 Things You Missed in Skyrim" series.
While I would love for you to return to Bethesda stuff again, please don't leave these kind of videos behind and instead keep doing them. They're fantastic!
Well
Bethesda doesn't help with that, at all.
Quite the opposite.
While I enjoy the vids to. I feel Nate has milked Bethesdas teat bone dry.
Gotta do other stuff till Bethesda releases, hopefully, not another mid game.
Always a happy day to see your vids pop up!
Keep making these kind of videos! Greatly appreciated
@16:52 I grow Cherimoya which are a custard apple and I can easily imagine it spreading across the world as a delicacy and getting incorporated into religious depictions. When they’re ripe they taste like ice cream and people who are in the know go nuts for them.
I’m so f’ing here for these kinda videos Nate really hope you keep these uploads coming love learning from you!!!❤
I can not believe you did not mention Leif Erickson, a Norse explorer who is considered the very first European to ever reach the New World.
Weren't there some Irish monks who got to North America w few hundred years prior to the Vikings?
@@gregb6469 Irish monks, took eremitic residence in parts of Iceland before the Norsemen settled the island. Their existence is attested by the early Icelandic sagas and recent archaeological findings.
Saint Brendan the Navigator, who allegedly sailed to North America around the 6th century. However, this is considered a myth or a legend, and there is no physical evidence to support the claim. The Navigatio Sancti Brendani, a medieval text describing Brendan’s voyages, is thought to be a work of fiction or exaggeration.
The Vikings, on the other hand, are well-documented to have reached North America around 1000 Ad, with evidence of settlements in present-day Canada and Greenland. There is no evidence to suggest that Irish monks reached South America before the Vikings.
@@cathalodiubhain5739
The problem that archeologists have is that they automatically think that something is an exaggeration until they are proven wrong.
Ahhh such is the way of science.
A bunch of "smart" people throwin darts at a dart board till somthin sticks. And then later moving that dart to the bullseye once they find out they were wrong and correct the mistake.
And then, 20 years later, we find out that they were completely wrong and not a word they said was factual.
This video was outstanding. Thank you
Point of order about indigenous trade networks: the missipians had artefacts from across north America from bith coasts.
But the currents make just as much sense. I'm curious why there hasn't been studies if different metals in Japan. The smelting and forging process of Katanas is different from what they would perform for ship fittings.
Respect for trying something different with your channel and absolutely nailing it mate 👍
5:22 You'd think people who are so interested in fantastical worlds would have more inquisitive minds.
Their job isn’t to be inquisitive, it’s to direct the inquisitiveness of their audience away from government black projects while taking them away from scientific thought and into the realm of christian theology.
I absolutely love this new style of content, keep up this amazing work if you can!
Nate you've had plenty compliments already, but as an Anthro grad I do want to say the quality of the research and commentary in this video slaps. Genuine A tier content, perhaps S. More balanced than some of the materials we were given in class! And literally every time I thought of a critique, or felt you were pushing one line too hard without allowing space for another, you almost instantly corrected yourself and proved my concerns unjustified.
I love your Bethesda mystery videos but this video was incredible, I absolutely love this kind of stuff and your narration is one of my favorites on UA-cam.
Could have been a close ancestor of agave that has since been extinct.
This work is well written, well thought out, and very well presented. Good job 😊
Thank you for bringing these theories back to reality occasionally. It's refreshing when creators don't go full tinfoil.
Thank you Nate, I needed this
Nothing makes me happier than Nate turning into a history version of BobbyBroccoli
Proud of you, glad to see you pivot to this original content, it’s a new avenue but you’ll do great 🙏
This video was one of my favorite from you, great topic would love to see more - update on Jan 1st 2025
Nate youre back, I was with you when you first made this awsome channel, and than you left and broke my heart.
NOW you're back, YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.
I’d like to give you a testament to how good your videos are. I have never played Fallout, Skyrim, or any other game you’ve covered, and my history knowledge is also limited, but I still can’t get enough of your content.
Agave, huh? Almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter
Vaas, could you do to me what you did to Mc'lovin?
@@Neddicus come to my island and I will, hermano
This is an incredible video! Well worth the wait! We appreciate your efforts! 😊
7 minutes in and I realize how much I've missed your videos, mate. Good to hear you. 😎🤙
I absolutely love these videos man.
TheEpicNate315's badass genre switch should be studied 🗣🔥
It's a genius switch tbh, so many other Lore channels are dying and regurgitating old content, with their views and subscribers plateauing. Meanwhile Nate has found a new way to keep interest in his channel going until ES 6
Hey Nate you should 100% continue down this historical path. I’m a huge history fan, and your skill of research from other lore videos sets you up to adapt very easily to history content.
I’m not saying stop your other stuff, but I’d 100% love to see a larger focus on historical videos!! Whatever interests you will be loved by me I’m sure, I love hearing people rant about the interesting things we find in research. DJ Peach Cobbler is one of my favorite channels and made his adaption from video games to history very natural, his latest video on GTAIV completely made me rethink how we document our cultures and share it to the wilder world
I really like that you are branching out. History and lore all a one-stop shop.
Welcome back Nate, excited to watch!
@Nate Welcome back dude!
Fascinating research Nate! Epic indeed! It reminds me of a finding of arrowheads on the Santa Cruz islands off the coast of California that were knapped obsidian of a methodology resembling ancestral Japanese techniques. It was theorized that seaweed fishers following the coasts near may have been blown horrifically off course. I haven't followed up on this, but it stands to reason, what with our species's wanderlust.
@29:00 Morphology is pretty much the goto for identifying organisms, it’s not as basic as you’re making it out to be. Usually genetic analysis is a check and has more to do with determining ancestry. That said the next step here is to go into the wilds of India and start collecting samples from wild and ‘portugese’ custard apples as well as the south american originator and do a standard genetic analysis to see if any of the wild lines are distinct from the portugese ones.
*Portuguese
This is by far my favorite niche topic, thank you so much for this
7:37 - With the agave, I'd be curious if anyone has done a genetic sampling of it. If it's a species that can be directly linked to the America's then that has some compelling implications, but also if it doesn't it could also imply that possible the assumption agave is only endemic to the Americas could actually end up being the disproven information. Personally I'd find a plant being endemic to a previously unknown location just as interesting as pre-Columbian contact. Like if they had agave and it was important enough for ship construction, what happened to it? Did the variety go extinct or did they just develop better technique?
This is all on the assumption that the samples still exist in a viable state to be tested, but it'd be fascinating to have more information.
Basically the kind of natural causes he talks about with the custard apple around 31:00ish xD
Nate these are awesome, never stop doing real world mysteries
He's back with HISTORY!!
This is an absolutely amazing video. I thoroughly enjoyed it. I love listening to you so the fact that it’s not something having to do with video games doesn’t bother me at all. You present this with the same approach and character as you do gaming stuff and I think I’ve just gotten used to that style. I’m very appreciative that I can learn such amazing new things from a content creator. I already enjoy. Thank you for this.
What about L’anse Meadows? Literal proof of pre-Columbian contact
Everyone knows that already, this video is about theories that aren't proven yet.
I thought I regonized your voice, that's awesome you're doing lore vids for real life now too. Great video!
You forgot to mention the possible cartheginian contact with native south americans
wow man nice video. i added this to my playlist to run in the background as i drifted off to sleep, and accidentally this video did anything but that, instead i couldnt stop watching it, and ive yet to turn it off yet, and i certainly didnt sleep thru it. very nice job. turned boring academic stuff loosely related to some passions of mine into directly related things more in tune with my passions than i could have purposely searched for and found. ive looked for a video this related with more than a spackling of new stuff for quite a while, and i accidentally found in you video more new material but still related than i probably did on purpose EVER. that is a lot of compliment in one comment. but you earned me and my subscription many times over. i feel like i need to go find more people to blindly turn on to your channel just to cover my amazement by itself. good job doesnt begin to sound like enough of a comment, but im running out of words. good job.
48:12
This is why we love you, Nate ♡
Please keep making history videos, this is amazing
I feel like custard apple on the Bharut art might’ve been Durian
really really well done man. fascinating.
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.
Thanks for this Nate! Came down with the flu a few days ago and this video is a much needed distraction!
Love how you went from covering my faourite video games to covering my other major intest, history!
Keep up the amazing work my dude! As a long time viewer i really like the shift in content since you returned :)
POV Starfield was so trash that you had to switch to making actual history videos instead
Daaaamn...I was about to go play Starfield...
The worst part is you're probably right.
😂😂😂 Oof
Nate I gotta say these history videos are JUST as awesome as anything else you've ever done and I am glad you've expanded to these kinds of videos in addition to the usual Bethesda franchise related videos.
Massive W IMO.
Fun fact: Thor Heyerdahl is a relative of Canadian actor Christopher Heyerdahl who plays an incredible antagonist. He's best known for playing The Swede in Hell on Wheels
Hey guys. Sorry to break this too you but that’s a durian not a custard apple. They also grow in a small shrub like tree and have a unique scaly texture and are native to south east asia. I’m no expert but my gut feel is that’s a durian.
I’d also love to see a culinary literature analysis because I think recipes containing these ingredients would be much more conclusive than labs of 3000 year old plants.
Finally hey man do yo thing just as fun to listen to as video game lore but actually educational. Your even hand in weighing other peoples theories is just as strong here as games.
Commenting as I watch here so I’m probably missing context buuuuuut. India has been going through a Hindu nationalist fervor that is warping big parts of society in ways that are hard to detect to westerners. I feel like a paper that argues that a fruit that is very popular in India was not introduced by westerners hits all the beats of nationalist bad science. It’s easy to argue that your people had all of the culture that you cherish without any help/interference when your at a middling anthro program that has a very bad replication rate and receives most of its funding from your nationalist government. Hot take there is a lot of politics that would help this theory. If I’m way off base and this theory is pre modi please let me know but I think this would be an important addition to your coloring of the theory.
when i first saw it i was also thinking it was a durian, but the proportions look very small. durians are usually pretty big arent they?
Are there varieties of durian that aren't spiky?
Loved this so much! Very in-depth considering time limitations & very very thought provoking. Wonderful job!!!
well considering this type of video you probably could get away with using at least a little bit of copyright material/this is technically an educational video so it does fall under further use
At this point Nate, Bethesda would be stupid to not hire you as head of research for all lore. Love the dive into the real world. Please keep up the amazing work
while i prefer the fallout/skyrim content, i can understand why you are branching out as there hasn't been very much new lore in a very long time
if there were some other game lore you got interested in, i'm sure your fans would enjoy videos about it
I dont even know what a custard apple is but im invested in how this plant shows up so early in places it ahouldnt have been