Americans React to "They Shall Not Grow Old" Trailer + Review Film
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I think the most impressive thing is the motivation. They were (generally) not full of hatred or anger but a belief in their country, its values, that it was a great country that was worth fighting for against an aggressive foreign power. It's also true that the volunteers were often poverty stricken - a lot were rejected through poor physical condition. I'm afraid most of that pride has been lost now - & in my opinion it's been a deliberately engineered policy.
This was the case for the British and Americans. The French were very anger motivated, as the territory of Alsace-Lorraine was taken from them during the 1800’s. Germany just didn’t like France, and the nationalism of both countries didn’t mix well.
@@idontwantmyrealnameonhere5955 which makes it quite sad that the French hold us in such low regard now and happily team up with the Germans to our detriment
I agree
Indeed, a very moving story, My Granddad lost a leg in the battle of the Somme, I never met him, died in 1943 10 years before I was born, a great tribute to them all.
Mine lost a leg at Ypres and spent two days on the battlefield before he was collected. He died 20 years before I was born.
My great grandpa fought in Gallipoli Somme Amiens and many other throughout the war (1915 to 1919) he was shot through the knee at Somme but later returned to the army in the same infantry regiment he died in the 1980s R.I.P something we shall never forget
I have my great grandfather's Army Kilt which he wore at The Somme, it has a patch where a German Maxim Gun bullet took off his leg.
Not only did they add colour, they adjusted the frame rate to look more natural and had lip readers help with the added dialogue. Very impressive film!
They actually looked at their uniforms and found out which region of the UK they were from. And then they hired voice actors specifically from that region to voice them.
They also added sound effects from the same vehicles, weapons and machinery of the day.
I think it's fair to say that many returned from the trenches of WW1 with PTSD but back then it was known as "Shell Shock"
and initially--( swinging the lead) ie.cowardice.
@@MrDaiseymay In my fathers war diary he always refers to it as "Bomb happy" (WW2)
Andy Sparks about 80,000 documented cases, 4/5ths never recovered. This was just the British. How many the other combatants had I can only imagine.
They all would have suffered from it. This was an insane war.
Shell shock is very different from PTSD...Shell shock is caused by the constant bombardment of explosions all around you for a very prolonged length of time.
PTSD is everything else related to war...the blood, the death, the trauma and other horrors of war.
At 2:01 you see soldiers(Lancashire Fusiliers) sat down on the first day of the Somme.This lane was just a little bit out in no man's land. They are about 30 minutes away from going over the top and about 40 minutes away from most of them being dead or wounded. The Cemetery that most of them are in is about 200 metres further on to the left of this picture. I have been to that lane and you feel the loss. My regiment also were waiting to go over the top Mametz a few miles away. They ended up being buried in the trench they started from. The Devonshires hold this trench, The Devonshires hold it still.
I see that initial footage and think the Ulsters, is it near Thiepval?.... but i may be confusing myself. I recall seeing the Ulster tower and the Welsh dragon near Mametz to commemorate the Royal Welch who fought there. Sobering stuff
@@Mark13091961 It is the Lancashire Fusiliers in sunken lane. I am pretty sure on that but if i am wrong I will relearn. Sunken Lane, Beaumont Hamel. ua-cam.com/video/3Sb7urnjEaE/v-deo.html My Regiment left the trenches and lost 150 men killed but did achieve their objective over on the right flank. They were cut down by a machine gun located in the "shrine" cemetery near Mametz. It is Sobering when you realise how small the Battlefield is. So much going on over a fairly small area. I have been over twice now and the things to see are getting less and less as more and more of the battlefield returns to farm land.
@@Mark13091961 Somewhere on youtube there is a video in which a lip reader interprets snippets of conversation from WW1 film. One of the sequences is this one at 2.01 but longer. The chappy looking at the camera in the centre is shown speaking to another soldier and says something to the effect that if he gets through this battle and he is asked to go over the top again then he is going to "××××× off out of it". The lip reader censors the actual word. I'm surprised Peter Jackson didn't use the full sequence. Astonishingly the lip reader could tell that the soldier had a rough, uneducated accent. The programme's presenter points out that the regiment was from Lancashire. Search for WW1 lip reader and you should find it.
The grimace on the young lads face gets me every time. For our tommorow
@@elwolf8536 Lest We Forget #salute #respect
My great Grandfather fought at Gallipoli where he was shot in lung, he survived and went on to serve in the Second World War in the aftermath he led a detail of British troops tasked to identity the dead at Bergen Belson concentration camp in as much as they could be. I never met him, I wish I had.
My grandfather was one of the many miners at Hill 51. Sad I never knew him s he died of wounds soon after WW1. May they all rest in peace.
A fantastic tribute to all of them.
"They Shall Not Grow Old" brought home the annihilation of a generation of young men more than anything I have witnessed before or since.
@@GrrMeister I see you have read Dan Snow, or at least the BBC Magazine featuring his article; he also mentions "more Britons died in WW1 than any other conflict" and it wasn't women, or children, or old people - they were all healthy young men and boys.
Yes, as a British soldier you were more likely to die during the Crimean War but those men had chosen their profession and knew the risks. WW1 took conscripts and every young able-bodied man in the country was called on to “do his bit” (or risk being shot for cowardice) and over 4 bloody years that constituted a generation of ordinary family men and boys culled. All who returned were not the men who left, most maimed in mind or body or both.
I served in SHAPE in the 1980’s and had charge of many old soldiers from the battlefields; they told me incredible, harrowing stories and many cried but not one ever mentioned “loving the experience”.
Incidentally, a select few women gained the right to vote in 1918 but it took another decade for all women to be allowed to vote, the reason being the government believed it would take 10 years for men to no longer be vastly outnumbered by women.
I suggest you learn about demography and not just ratio of population when you compile your (or Dan Snow’s) statistics.
@@GrrMeister I was given the posting in SHAPE because I had just spent 2 years in Ulster during the Troubles; the following Spring the Falklands started. You really haven't a clue have you?
My father who won a medal for bravery in WW2 would have nightmares up until he died and hide under the bed while still asleep.
poor man. None of us, can ever imagine the horror, or, how we would react under fire. Famous Author and poet, Rudyard Kippling, was known as a avid Empire lover, and some would say, war monger. His less than healthy son, wanted to enlist, but they would not accept him. At first his father refused to 'Pull Strings'' , but eventually, he managed to get his son into military action. He was quite quicky, killed in action. From that point on. Kippling was devastaed, at the loss of his only son. and never wrote anything pro war, again. In fact, he devoted his life to peaceful projects .
Philip Kipling has so many facets and contradictions like all of us but he and a times he, particularly today has strange opinions, however he can often shine a light on humanity that is wonderfully accurate
After the First World War, so many physically and emotionally damaged ex-soldiers were unemployable. Many bought matches and sat on street corners in all weathers, selling them in order to eat. During the war quite a lot of PTSD sufferers were called "shell-shocked". They were given a few weeks rest the sent back to the front again. Those too badly damaged were executed by firing squad as traitors and cowards when they were too traumatised to face the battle. It took a huge battle by relatives to get these poor men pardoned in the 20th Century. Such a tragedy.
Those in power should die of shame !
@@marleengevers They have none.
Innacurate emotive nonsense. Not one single soldier correctly diagnosed with Shell Shock was executed for a start. Of those who were sentenced to death most were convicted of desertion, not cowardice, and none as "traitors". A significant number of those executed had already been previously sentenced to death on at least one occasion but been reprieved. The really interesting thing is that 90% of death sentences were not confirmed. The pardoning of men lawfully convicted and executed was the worst kind of political posturing, virtue-signalling and idiotic historical revisionism, and absolute disgrace in fact.
My Granda fought at several of the WW1 battles and was captured, put into a German Prisoner of war camp then, after 2 months captivity, escaped and went back to fight on the front line. My Grandmother received the telegram: ‘missing in action’ and thought he was dead. 3 months later she found out he was back in the front line.
So many of his fellow soldiers were killed that he was given a field commission and from Day day onward he ‘double barreled’ his name and carried a ‘swagger stick’
He coughed up a lot of bile each and every morning due to the mustard gas but lived to a ripe old age and died peacefully.
He never talked about his war experience.
My Dad is 100 years old in two months... his WW2 war record is even more astounding.
Both are and were great men with great women standing and supporting them.
Yes indeed. Those generations were the best of us. How we have fallen.
As true today as it was back then:
Tommy
I WENT into a public 'ouse to get a pint o' beer,
The publican 'e up an' sez, " We serve no red-coats here."
The girls be'ind the bar they laughed an' giggled fit to die,
I outs into the street again an' to myself sez I:
O it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' " Tommy, go away " ;
But it's " Thank you, Mister Atkins," when the band begins to play
The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,
O it's " Thank you, Mister Atkins," when the band begins to play.
I went into a theatre as sober as could be,
They gave a drunk civilian room, but 'adn't none for me;
They sent me to the gallery or round the music-'alls,
But when it comes to fightin', Lord! they'll shove me in the stalls!
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' " Tommy, wait outside ";
But it's " Special train for Atkins " when the trooper's on the tide
The troopship's on the tide, my boys, the troopship's on the tide,
O it's " Special train for Atkins " when the trooper's on the tide.
Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep
Is cheaper than them uniforms, an' they're starvation cheap.
An' hustlin' drunken soldiers when they're goin' large a bit
Is five times better business than paradin' in full kit.
Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an` Tommy, 'ow's yer soul? "
But it's " Thin red line of 'eroes " when the drums begin to roll
The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
O it's " Thin red line of 'eroes, " when the drums begin to roll.
We aren't no thin red 'eroes, nor we aren't no blackguards too,
But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;
An' if sometimes our conduck isn't all your fancy paints,
Why, single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints;
While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an` Tommy, fall be'ind,"
But it's " Please to walk in front, sir," when there's trouble in the wind
There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind,
O it's " Please to walk in front, sir," when there's trouble in the wind.
You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires, an' all:
We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
The Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace.
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an` Chuck him out, the brute! "
But it's " Saviour of 'is country " when the guns begin to shoot;
An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;
An 'Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool - you bet that Tommy sees!
All true
Many many thanks for doing this. I had eight family members who served during WW1, only my grandfather returned, we have no idea where six are, only one Lance Corp Frank Hayes, has a marked grave in France. When my grandfather came to live with us at the latter years of his life, I was just eight year old. I will admit at being frightened of him, in many ways I thought he was cruel and as terrible as this sounds, I didn't like him. I couldn't understand why he would always shout at me, slept with the lights on, and drank endless bottles of rum. He passed away in 1978. Fast forward 30 years and I pull his war records. Served 2 years and 300 days as a front line machine gunner (Machine Gun Corp). Wounded twice in the back (shrapnel) and was buried with the metal still in his back. Passendale and the Somme. I was horrified about the way I had looked at him all those years ago. Two years ago I was able to attend The Menin Gate last post ceremony in Belgium and laid a wreath in his memory, I said my apologies and was able to bury my ghost and my guilt I had carried over the years. It was always tradition that the upper class wore the rank, in the many cemeteries in France & Belgium, you will see examples such as Second Lieutenant aged 18, buried next to a Private aged 40. My 5th times great grand father Thomas Hayes, joined the army in 1805 and fought in both Napoleonic wars, served 21 years and remained a private. It was always, and still the case to this day, that the higher ranks lead and go over the top first, the ordinary private is then expected to follow, and follow they do. However, in death they lie side by side, no rank, no culture, and no religion plays any part in their final resting place. Its tragic we are just unable to do it in life. If you take a look at my UA-cam channel you will see our yearly trips, last year we placed 100 crosses on 100 graves. British, American, New Zealand, Australian, Indian, Canadian, and so on. '' Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn. At the going down of the sun and in the morning. We will remember them.''
Excellent, very interesting. My dad was a despatch rider in WWI with the transport corp. He was shot in the ankle in 1915, and got a blighty, but stayed in the army till 1922, rejoined in 1940, as a transport instructor. Ironically, he did the same job as corp Hitler in WW1, except my dad had a motorbike, Hitler was on foot.
@@MrDaiseymay my grandfather was also frightening in his own way He was a Machine gun corp volunteer won two military medals when he was a sergeant .He also served in the Home Guard in WW2 I admire him so much died in 1956 from shrapnel wounds
My uncle the oldest of 14 children missing in action 1917 my mother was 1year old the second youngest my uncle was 21 yrs old
“In Flanders fields the poppies blow,
Between the crosses, row on row...”
The Soldiers who gave their life to keep us safe! God bless all of them.
Skol super -
"The Soldiers who gave their life to keep us safe!"
You mean the uber-courageous young men who allowed themselves to be slaughtered NEEDLESSLY in the trenches for some phony propagandist's Higher Cause? What exactly WAS it, pray, that YOU think they were protecting US from - that their Political Masters, the Arms-Makers, and (above all) the International Bankers felt it necessary to send _them_ to be maimed and killed and mentally destroyed in ways beyond the powers of anyone's Peacetime imagination ?
Commemorating male courage and stoicism in such circumstances is PRECISELY the RIGHT thing to do.
But allowing treacly sentiment to justify the UNJUSTIFIABLE is why this war was NOT 'the war to end all wars' (and was NEVER intended to be)..........and is thus precisely the WRONG thing to do.
Noble Anger at the loss of some of Britain's Finest would be a MUCH more appropriate reaction....IMHO.
"If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,-
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori."
(Wilfred Owen, soldier and poet - dead at 25)
So true there will never grow old in ur hearts thank u for ur sacrifice to keep us all safe
Nobody was "kept safe" by this war. As sad as it was it was just a butchering of a whole generation by the collision of monarchs and outdated politics -
Makes me question how you think there could be a god..
AND YET--there are millions in Britain today, who vote for this country's hard won freedom and democracy, to continue being under the boot, and subservient to, a foreign state, that is totally undemocratic.
Jeremy Brookes psst you forgot to use your heart and brain (; don’t need to follow what people in power and commercials and stuff tell you
The war to end all wars!
Its such an amazing movie in many ways. When you add voices and colour it brings it home and gives you a tiny insight into this time in history!
absol;utely, and yet, some people say the original jumpy, poor clarity, off focus ''Charlie Chaplin' -esque images, were much more realistic, and lifelike. They should have their medication checked over.
Adding the colour makes it all seem so much more real and easy to identify with. It's often easy to dismiss old black and white images as being so long ago but the reality is it's very recent history. Average life expectancy now is around 80 years. Someone who is 80 today was born in 1939. Go back another 80 years from then and you're in the middle of the 19th century, back another lifetime and you're back to the american declaration of independence and French revolution. So in just 3 lifespans you have much of modern history from the 1770's onwards. Incredible really and not something most people put into proper context.
Absolutely
I've always been kind of amazed how WW1 wasn't even that long ago. Someone born a few years before WW1 could still be alive today. At the time, hand to hand combat wasn't uncommon, especially in early war. Bayonet charges were still a thing. Usage of cavalry was common. Most of the war was horse-driven. In early war, some countries still used traditional brightly colored uniforms (France, for example) and most didn't have proper helmets. Imperialism was huge. America was only just becoming the most powerful country in the world. And all of this was only 101-105 years ago
So true have looked at generations like that
The average lifespan of a junior officer was two weeks, don't forget they usually led the assault.
I dont think people looked down on them i just think people didnt know how bad it realy was. I have a place in my heart for anyone serving or has, i respect them and do my best to pay respect to them every year on 11th at 11am. They shall not grow old🇬🇧
Very moving and sad documentary putting a voice too it and in colour really pulls at the heart strings ...so many men slaughtered on both sides who just wanted to go back to there homes and family ..war that should never of happened in the first place
Watching events that were filmed in black-and-white can make them seem dream-like and other-worldly.
Seeing them in colour brings comparison to current events and the real world around us.
Lillian sings Mademoiselle from Amentieres and Felipe partakes in a "kipper for breakfast" .....PMF more in touch with the past than many many locals....a corner of You Tube where good manners and respect can still be found.....even from "Yanks" (just ribbing) thank you and bless the PMD.
Thats a major difference between the US and UK, even now the US loves its military and vets/ex-servicepersonel and in the uk we are treated with distain and criminalised by politicians.
I have been lead to believe that Vietnam veterans haven't been given the recognition they should have. I'm not saying it's true but that's the impression I get.
it was ALWAYS SO. Including disgraceful lack of arms and materials.
I'm a cold war veteran and know many veterans who had a career that was not a safe one. But not met any who have been neglected, disdained or criminalised. I'm sure that since WW2 treatment of serving and veterans of the armed forces have been treated quite well. Until Northern Ireland and the betrayal of our ex-soldiers.
Bollocks, complete and utter bollockery. There is a huge amount of politicians on all sides of the aisles that are ex military .
If anything the amount of post career personnel who've been left to the gutters over the past 80 years has been the greatest agenda of our budget. And in fact look at the Walter reed enquiry in the states.
Accrington lost a full generation in ww1
Presumably a Pals' Battalion consequence. Great idea for recruiting, but horrendous results for villages and smaller towns.
German Soldiers: Gott mit uns! ( God is with us ! )
Tommies: We’ve got mittens too!
The really big, big change that WW1 wrought was the beginning of the end of Christianity as a mass religion in the UK. Here you had supposedly Christian nations slaughtering each other's young men. The British sang Silent Night, Holy Night at Christmas in the trenches, the Germans Stille Nacht, Heilige Nacht. How could this be? It made no sense; no sense at all. No more brother wars.
The bravest little street in England Chapel street Altrincham in my old town
that looks really cool.
errr,wrong choice of word.
poignant,moving,shocking,emotional,heartbreaking.....yes.
cool?
no.
Read Kipling’s poem Tommy to hear our soldiers have been treated over the centuries. Remember seeing bars in Edinburgh with no soldiers allowed in the 1980s.
Tommy
I WENT into a public 'ouse to get a pint o' beer,
The publican 'e up an' sez, " We serve no red-coats here."
The girls be'ind the bar they laughed an' giggled fit to die,
I outs into the street again an' to myself sez I:
O it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' " Tommy, go away " ;
But it's " Thank you, Mister Atkins," when the band begins to play
The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,
O it's " Thank you, Mister Atkins," when the band begins to play.
I went into a theatre as sober as could be,
They gave a drunk civilian room, but 'adn't none for me;
They sent me to the gallery or round the music-'alls,
But when it comes to fightin', Lord! they'll shove me in the stalls!
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' " Tommy, wait outside ";
But it's " Special train for Atkins " when the trooper's on the tide
The troopship's on the tide, my boys, the troopship's on the tide,
O it's " Special train for Atkins " when the trooper's on the tide.
Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep
Is cheaper than them uniforms, an' they're starvation cheap.
An' hustlin' drunken soldiers when they're goin' large a bit
Is five times better business than paradin' in full kit.
Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an` Tommy, 'ow's yer soul? "
But it's " Thin red line of 'eroes " when the drums begin to roll
The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
O it's " Thin red line of 'eroes, " when the drums begin to roll.
We aren't no thin red 'eroes, nor we aren't no blackguards too,
But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;
An' if sometimes our conduck isn't all your fancy paints,
Why, single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints;
While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an` Tommy, fall be'ind,"
But it's " Please to walk in front, sir," when there's trouble in the wind
There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind,
O it's " Please to walk in front, sir," when there's trouble in the wind.
You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires, an' all:
We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
The Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace.
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an` Chuck him out, the brute! "
But it's " Saviour of 'is country " when the guns begin to shoot;
An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;
An 'Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool - you bet that Tommy sees!
ua-cam.com/video/wZtRaZU8AkI/v-deo.html
@@neilmorrison7356 FANTASTIC---FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN THE WHOLE POEM. HOW SICKENINGLY TRUE. THANKS VERY MUCH.
Honestly one of the most emotional and finest documentary I have ever seen. The Imperial War Museum basically walked up to Peter Jackson and gave him a blank check to make a WWI documentary. What he did was nothing short of amazing. He did what many many Many war documentaries have never really done and that was to explore the men’s war, not the Great War or World War I, but the men’s war in the trenches. You hear no historian or expert, but the very men who had to fight in that war.
Not only has he colorized the footage (which has been done before) but he digitally restored it and even reconstructed it to make what is presented more smooth, more human, and even modern. You often would mistakenly take the footage you’re watching as reenactors just by how so well and detailed the new footage runs. But he even takes it to the next level by hiring lip readers to allow voice actors to recreate the conversations the footage originally silently showed. He did what many never did, he literally brought them back to life and allowed us to hear, see, and feel the war through them. What a tribute to these men!
Soldiers have always been treated quite shabbily by society. It is getting better now,but most civilians don't give a monkeys. As a former soldier myself I have experienced this first hand. And IMHO, the treatment of Vietnam veterans was a national disgrace.
Thank you both for your support.
My grandfather was blown to bits by shellfire on the Somme Sept 1916 his body pieces were never recovered. He was 25 years old, leaving his wife a widow & my mother and uncle as young children. Always hoped that his dog tags would be found in some archaeological dig but it never happened. RIP Grandad Andrew & thank you xx
The US has a class system. I observed in Las Vegas hotel on it's official opening. Whites were the business people they were trying to attract to their facilities. Mexican served the drinks and blacks did the cleaning up afterwards. As English tourists we spoke to the Mexican girls, they were surprised we spoke to them, seemed like the not to do thing.
Lower middle class people were comfortably off at that time. Its lower working class who were looked down on. Few of those became officers.
Well, it did take a certain level of basic education, to pass the Officer exams. Few working class lads had such opportunities.Their parents could never afford their teenager childen, not to bring in a wage, but attend futher education.
The admiration of the military in the USA only arrived with 9/11.
Vietnam & Korean vets weren't treated that way at all.
On a respect level, it's high but when it comes to housing, medical care & assistance it is sadly lacking.
The world needs to find better ways to deal with conflicts. Govts too eagerly send our troops to die, because it rarely affects them personally.
Thank you for reviewing this film with the dignity it deserves
My Grandfather Jasper Morley joined the British Army in 1910, he landed in France some nine days after war was declared and served throughout the First World War, at the end of the War he was posted to India and then saw service in the 3rd Afghan War in 1919 on the North West Frontier in what is now Pakistan, he died on the 23rd May 1963 without telling any family members of his experiences. He had 10 children, 5 boys and 5 girls, mum was the youngest being born in 1934, 4 of the boys served in WW2 and all survived, Reg was at Dunkirk, John was in Africa and Italy he had joined in March 1939 and like his Father served throughout WW2 and in Korea in the 50's, Alwyn was wounded in action in 1940 and remained as a Tank instructor and Jasper Jr served in Burma against the Japanese, Peter the youngest boy joined the Army in 1945 but the war ended before he saw any action.
Don't forget.....village's, small towns. And stately homes, lost their men folk in one go, they all joined up together, fought together died together...... Hence some units getting called, Chums
Was it German veterans being ostracized? You should consider that the war was massive and touched every family so being a veteran wasn't really anything special. I'm sure they'd have been some resentment or just awkwardness from those whose loved ones didn't come home as well.
The economic impact was also huge, so it took time to readjust for a peacetime economy.
It was also an age before antibiotics and other medical advances, the expectation of living in to old age was less even without the war.
It did bring the social classes closer together poison gas and artillery shells don't discriminate. Every man over 21 got the vote afterwards, not just those who owned real estate. That was a fundamental change in political power.
I brought this for my dads Father's day gift it was available on DVD for £5 in my local Morrison's supermarket
Hope you put a tenner into the Poppy appeal tub.
A waste of young lives.
Poor people fighting other poor people, to make rich people richer.
There was , I am not sure if is still being displayed at Te Papa here in NZ that was put together with Weta workshop that gave you a glimpse into the WW1 experiance.. sights.. soud and smell..I have had the privilege to know my great Uncle who as a young man went to war in WW1,, got wounded with shrapnel to the face that let him be taken from the battlefield and return home to NZ after the Armistice was signed..He never spoke about what he saw or how he got through the horrors he might have seen.. I guess there are a lot of decendances from those that survived. And thanks to Jeebers they did.. The only thing the human race learned about WW1 was nothing.. The sad thing is there has been more people killed in WW2 and all the petty little conflicts and Genocidal race/ ethnic cleansing and it still goes on.. Sorry but that's my 2 cents worth.
john wallace , I’m a vet and your comment is unfortunately true 🇬🇧🏴🤪🔰
We had a whole nation suffering from PTSD in 1945.
Both my grandfather's fought at the Somme and survived. My great uncle unfortunately didn't survive. He was hit by a shell and vapourised. My grandfather, my mother's father served in the second world war as well. My father and his brothers fought in the second world war and all came home. I am so proud that I come from a family of heroes. Bless them all
I think that today our veterans are treated with much more respect, but back then, values were different. Even in the USA in the past veterans were not treated well. Ask any Vietnam vet and they were treated appallingly by the US public. Values change. Great film and should be compulsory viewing at schools
Err no, UK veterans are treated especially badly. For example there is currently a witch hunt against Northern Ireland veterans men mostly in their 60's and 70's now. For 'crimes' that allegedly occurred up to 50 years ago and when these same men have previously been exonerated several times. All this is to placate Sinn fein/IRA a marxist terrorist organisation. Ex-Prime Minister Tony Blair in a secret deal only recently uncovered for the so called 'Good Friday Agreement', had given out free pardons to wanted terrorist murderers called 'On the Run' letters/OTR's and this was on the top of allowing many many hundreds of then convicted terrorist murderers free from their jail sentences. Soldiers and Police officers were not included in this disgraceful deal as indicated by a letter written by the then NI Minister John Reed to Tony Blair. This current government and previous governments have allowed old Army veterans to be pursued by the Police whilst allowing IRA murderers to walk free then and now, safe from prosecution and carrying their letters of amnesty in their pockets. Only last week in the UK Parliament these stupid MP's voted to give terrorists in Northern Ireland, if injured whilst committing their bombing outrages, to be allowed to claim compensation and pensions from the British taxpayer. As if that wasn't bad enough..............................one of the old soldiers being persecuted and prosecuted for his service in Northern Ireland resides in the Royal Hospital Chelsea......he is a 'Chelsea pensioner' ! That is how the UK Government treats it's veterans.
Didn't the American Vietnam verterans have difficulty falling back into society? Having a hard time holding down or even getting a job and such? I only know what I've seen through TV and films but that does seem to be a reoccurring theme in them. I think that kinda thing is a reflection on the mentality of the time. I could be wrong.
Yes, there were some Americans that treated soldiers appallingly upon their return from war. Truly ugly period, but it wasn’t the majority of the population.
British officers lead from the front ,and so a large number were dead by 1918. The end of the war saw the 'khaki vote' which changed British politics forever.
The "Khaki election" was in 1945, not 1919 and Lloyd George was still Prime Minister in 1922.
@@paddy864 the khaki election of 1919, look it up! There are several books on the subject, you might try "1919 the year of revolution" by S Webb.
My Grandfather was badly wounded in WW1,and lost the use of his right leg. He died in 1981;but he used to reminisce a lot. He put his experiences behind him,and even served (in a purely administrative capacity,of course) in WW2.
My Great Uncle served in the trenches. He died in 1979;but I still remember him (I was in my early teens at the time)telling me about his anticipation for letters from home - delivered by horses,ridden through the trenches.
I saw the film,and it made it all seem so much closer.
Please take a look at how the USA treated Vietnam veterans because you seem so shocked that troops coming back from ww1 found it hard to get work.
Since the german soldiers who went home after WOI faced mass unemployment, the situation got "good" for manipulators like AH to come to power.
From one disaster to another. Humankind is a disgrace to itsself.
My Grandfather was in the 2nd Dorsets. 15 years old. He was at Ypres, The Somme and all the way throught to St. Quinten where he was shot and blown up with Shrapnel wounds at the age of 18. He lived his life with open wounds that never healed. He died at the age of 82 after serving 50 years on the railroads. He never spoke of the war. Ever. The mind wounds were greater than the physical wounds. I knew him as an old man, going blind and deaf and quite angry at life. He was still a hero to me, his medals come off the wall every armistice day and get a polish. Cheers Grandad.
Lions led by Donkeys
Yeah, Old Bill Kaiser, after we gave the Gerries a shock at the first battle of MONS, where our Rifle fire was so fast, they thought we had Machine Guns. He had refferred to us as, '' That contemptible little Army''. We forced him to respect us afterwards.
@Tom Sanders actually the phrase was first used in 1855 by The Times newspaper in regards of the French soldiers during the Franco Prussian War , Alan Clark nicked the phrase for his book The Donkeys
@Tom Sanders yep 1855 was Marx and Engels wrote an article on the British military's strategic mistakes during the fall of Sevastopul , The Times used the phrase during the Franco Prussian War , the phrase goes back to Ancient Greece in various terms but the first World War especially The Somme sums it up
It is strange to imagine that because of technology in a thousand years time if the world hasn't been blown to pieces people will be able to watch the world as it is now .
Yes, it's a fascinating thought. However, I don't think they will see our world as we see and relate to it. They will merely try to interpret it through the lens of their own time and their own prevailing cultural attitudes, which will be increasingly different from ours as more time passes. What we will think of as straightforward, they may find confusing or just completely misinterpret. They may even have to adapt their technology to access these comments. After all, not many people can play Betamax videos anymore!
Would love to see some of the analyses of our own age by a future one. What a cacophony of internet opinions to sift through and analyse, quite apart from all the books, art, films, music, clothes and relentless plastic artefacts they might find. They certainly won't be short of material (always assuming we haven't blown ourselves up as you mentioned)! 😊
Indeed some good points, I would say that the two world wars brought about social class change in Britain. To stem the possibility of revolution similar to the Russian revolution the elites classes had to appease the lower classes some what and hence things like increased social welfare benefits and the NHS were born shortly after world war 2.
Indeed, if those in power had not been so afraid to loose their privileges, nothing would have changed. It's in fact thanks to the Russian Revolution that we in Europe got healthcare, more advanced education and things like social housing. Without the Russians, the plebs would have been kept in medieval situations with child labour, truck system and the like.
Since now there is no system to counterbalance the wildest forms of capitalism, we see our social systems being degraded. Very sad that so many had to live through these horrors and others loose their lives.
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My dad was a young 20 year old serving in the Royal Navy during world war 2 and my mum was a nurse in an internment hospital on the Isle of Man. Until the day he died my dad was affected detrimentally by what he saw in the war, but of course that condition wasn't recognised. I don't necessarily think the soldiers were "hard" men for saying they would do it all over again; I think what gave them the resolution to do it all over again was the belief that it is everyone's right to be free - although it doesn't seem definitively clear what this war was about. Thank you for a lovely video.
They were promised a 'land fit for heroes'. That was the term used by the Government at the time. Even today, our British military are cast aside. We have thousands of ex military who are homeless.
Watched it again still stunning !!
Makes it very emotional when in colour !!
it was shown on TV!
Computer algorithms to interpret the colour, and interpolate movement between frames, to increase the frame rate from 15/sec to 25/sec and clean the footage from grit and scratches etc, giving a much smoother video. lip readers to get the dialogue, they even recruited people from the towns and districts the soldiers were from to do the vocals so it sounded authentic.
The Great war brought about seismic changes to British society. up until 1918 the working class were not allowed to vote, Voting was for the rich, land and property owners (including women), After the war it was felt a debt was owed ,and voting was extended to all men from age 21 and women over 30, (last year the 100th anniversary of suffrage for women was celebrated, ignoring that it was also the time men were granted universal suffrage) it wasn't until 10 years later that women got real universal suffrage at the same age as men
I agree, the transition to colour was the emotional got ya. A bit like, although I had read history and watched war films. WW2 was always distant until I visited a war grave near Monte Casino, sat among the headstones and started reading the names and ages. That is what really brought it home to me.
They were ordinary men. My father was one of them. He was a Gunner in the RHA. He joined up aged 15 and said he was older. He survived all through and I learned only recently that when WW2 came round he volunteered in 1939. He was not accepted I can only think because he had lung problems. He died in 1951 when I was 14 and he was 52. He was an asthmatic amongst other things. He was a great teaser and loved a good joke, and enjoyed teasing my older brothers' girlfriends when they were brought home. Oh yes he had a friend: Mr Blake. Mr Blake had a tin leg and when he visited us he would take his leg off and my mother would bathe and powder his 'stump'. Those are among my early memories.
Try the Anzac Film.. GALLIPOLI.. starring a young Mel Gobson.
A true story and extremely sad.
Such a moving film, I watched it when it first came out. Just amazed by the young soldiers attitude to what they where going through. Young boys recruited from their villages and towns and put into local regiments. My great grandfather was from Hull and he was put into the E Yorkshire regiment. He died in the first hours of the carnage of the Somme with thousands of his schoolboy friends and townies.
So after this war, whole towns and cities, lost generations of their people.
I think the veterans where not offered jobs after the war, was not because they where looked down on far from it they were loved and praised. It’s just they came back to a country bankrupt from war, in the middle of a major pandemic with no jobs. Very, very sad.
Again great watch and your comments I found very interesting. Thank you.👌
What a great review guys... I thought I would watch this as I have recently watched an interview with Peter Jackson taking about the making of this documentary. From what I gathered they used computing power for basically everything from colouring to even making the film have the correct frames per second. Apparently a lot of the old film was about 14 FPS and it needed to be bought up to about 26 FPS... the computers filled in the missing frames to make all the movement smooth.
They even got forensic lip readers in to transcribe what the guys were saying and then got voice actors to fill that in.
Felipe, your comments around 5.40 in and onwards, about the type of men that these people were, really struck a chord with me. Well said young sir. I'm considerably older than you guys and it reminds me of the type of man my Grandad was.
This is the interview if you are interested at all... ua-cam.com/video/PdY-1u-rk_M/v-deo.html
My Grandad was killed at Passchendaele in 1917, his body was never identified. My Grandma (Nan) lived into the 1960's. They had one child, my Mother, who I don't think her Father ever saw? The pain and sorrow from one person's death, especially considering their youth - young men in their vigour aren't supposed to die - it's difficult to quantify the suffering of those left to grieve.
Don't be fooled, your own Vet services say there is an epidemic of untreated PTSD & homeless American Vets, with your Vet medical services unable to offer up to date treatment due to funding issues...... whereas our own Vets can at least avail themselves of a completely free NHS (although Jeremy Hunt and his cohorts are trying to desperately 'Americanize' this great British institute!!)... As for claiming the U.S. has no class difference I'd say visit the 'hamptons' or Ivy League Universities.... then visit New Orleans where they are still to fulfil their promise of rebuilding the poor areas in favour of gentrification...... No society where 1% of the population owns over 90% of the nations wealth is free from a 'class' system, be it American or British.... no matter how hidden or insipid!
My great grandfather was brutally murdered in World War 2. I never really took in how severely and brutal the war was until I watched this movie. It really opened my eyes to the situation and what it was really like. Now I have a whole new respect for the soldiers that fight for Britain.
I also loved the part that showed off the friendship that the English and German soldiers made, even during the war. The prisoners that were taken in didn't have any solid hatred for the British. Nor vise versa. It just showed how sadly pointless the wars were. Easily avoided had higher up people taken a different turn.
Rest in piece to all the soldiers, British, German, American, French. All of them, who fought bravely in the wars. 💞
This documentary was so moving and Peter Jackson bought it to life with the colourization and being able to lip read and put the actual words in the mouths of the soldiers. One person you should read up on is Harry Patch, Known as "The Last British Tommy" who died in 2009 aged 111 years, His moving story in his own words should be a must in schools
that's right, and so amazing, that he should go to such lengths, for accuracy.
Going over the top.
My family lost 10 men that I know of in ww1 and in ww2 I have studied ww2 for near 50yrs and now ww1 for the last 20 in depth , have been to the western front about 17 times since 2005 , and each time I go im still struck dumb by the monuments, memorials, museums, the military cemetery's and the history of it all , have found 6 of the 10 men lost in my family , its very somber when you do track them down, my grt granddad was a vet of the boar war and injured at Ypres but got home his nephew was killed at The Huts and is buried there , remember the 306 shot for what was called "cowardice" but in truth was what we call today combat stress or ptsd or just for being to sick and ill to move , I bought this film on dvd the day it came out , amazing job by Mr Jackson "Lest we forget"
Hello there. May I say that I do enjoy your show a lot. Seeing you learn about Britain and its culture is great. However, I'm a mental health professional that works in the NHS and I do have to take an issue with what was alluded to regards PTSD. Firstly, a failing with the film, which I did 'enjoy', is the little time it spent on PTSD or Shell Shock as it was known then. Many soldiers returned to Britain suffering from this condition but were hidden and taken out of the social discourse. Further still there were the many soldiers that were shot for desertion and recently many of them were posthumously pardoned as it was found that they were indeed suffering from what we now call PTSD. Further again it was seen as socially unacceptable to express ones emotions at this time. Think of the stereotype of 'stiff upper lip'? Today it is thought that this caused other problems that were hidden such as severe alcoholism, domestic violence etc. Secondly, I was concerned that you seem to allude to PTSD being a weakness or flaw in a person's character? So from a professional perspective I just want to make sure it's clear that this isn't the case and is due to many external and internal factors. These factors being as unique as our developing personalities. I would say that very tough people can be vulnerable to PTSD given the right circumstances. Please don't think that this is a rebuke as such, just a professional opinion on the subject. Thanks guys!!! :)
Just to be clear, not one man correctly diagnosed with "shell shock" was executed in WW1, not one. Furthermore, as regards the disgraceful politically motivated pardons for men lawfully convicted of a range of offences in WW1, including murder incidentally, they were NOT "found to have been suffering from PTSD?, how on earth could they be examined when they've been dead for over a century? IT was a blanked pardon, regardless of the facts and done for narrow political reasons.
My great great grandfather was in the Somme, he was gassed and shot through the hand, picked up 2 days later after laying in the field by the Royal Canadian ambulance service... 6 months later he reenlisted, was send home on a medical discharge because his hand could no longer work a weapon system and his lungs couldn’t keep up with the other soldiers.
2 years later he was the first person in our town to be killed by being run over by a car, it wasn’t an accident. He committed suicide by kneeling in the road with his hands behind his head saying to a off duty police officer..”I have a wife and 5 children I can’t take care of them, just leave me” 12 hours later he died.
A moving film, a social history captured on film. But it didn't just have colour added, it was painstakingly restored, cleaned, retimed, then a High Definition version created, like a time machine, never seen previously, we can now clearly look into those men's faces from over 100 years ago.
My grandfather Mason served in 1917/18 East surry regiment , made it through the war and passed away 1962. Sadly i never met him, i was born the following year.
British society grew over centuries, not "years" as in the US! Nevertheless, it is not as important now as it once was!
Education and speech in the U K remain a signpost!
If you want to feel the significance of this film. Go to any small village, look at the surnames on the memorial then think about how big the village in 1918. Repeat this all over the UK and you'll know how this effects us so.
"In America we tend to uphold our military personnel"....so ignorant it is sad, you as an American do not know what the country is doing to the veterans who gave everything to fight so you do not have to. At this moment, there are more then 500, 000 homeless veterans sleeping on the streets..and this number is rising. The veterans administration has funds to server just a small fraction of veterans. While you are reading this, somewhere in america a veteran is loosing his family..and while you where reading this, a veteran somewhere took his own life.
To find out the best info regarding the production on this film, Watch this amazing interview between Mark Kermode and Peter Jackson. There was soooooo much more done than just adding colour: ua-cam.com/video/PdY-1u-rk_M/v-deo.html
You have made a lot of videos and so I am sure that as a new arrival I have yet to see much of your work. I wonder what you have made about Royalty and Royal events, and football crowds, and the Houses of Parliament, and the Church of England and so on.
The irony is that this generation went so others in the future didn't have to! And on it goes! It was these men and those in WW2 who are owed the most from our country, Not the me me me mob who came after in the 50's and 60s who now have everything of value! We all saw this with Brexit
You do my family a disservice, please remove this, it's not a film it's a documentary. Your channel needs to advertise baby strollers and other materialistic items. There is no heartfelt empathy or emotion from either of you but the worse thing is, you believe there is..
The Wartime Government promissed many things, for PostWar Britain, including, ''Homes fit for Heroes'' on the soldier's return. Most never even had a job to go to.
title says ``AMERICANS REACT TO They shall not grow old `` ok i am ready
I remember in the 1950s and 60s seeing my paternal Grandfather, who is no longer alive (he’d now have been about 130 years old - my father would have been a hundred in a matter of days!). He suffered from exposure to Chlorine gas in the trenches. He was illiterate. His lungs were damaged and after the war he was never able to work other than as a night watchman. He would now be considered disabled.
And you talk of enlisted men being of “lower middle class”. Class is NOT now exactly as it was in the more rigid early 20th century (otherwise the grandson of an illiterate night watchman would hardly have had the opportunity to study Law at Cambridge University) and I suspect the US class delineations are different to those from the U.K. But most people here, certainly in the early 20th Century, would have described the Upper Class as being the nobility (Old families, Dukes, Earls, A Marquis, Viscounts etc, often landed families tracing their lineage centuries back). The middle classes would have included Lawyers, Bankers, Medics, Teachers and owners of businesses. The working class would have consisted of the majority of people in paid employment including tradesmen such as plumbers, carpenters etc, steelworkers, coal miners, people in domestic service etc. Apart from those in domestic service, I have the impression people from the USA would categorise that latter group as middle class. And then (particularly in the early 20th century will little by way of welfare benefits) you’d have the underclass - those not working or in receipt of a private income, disabled etc would really struggle to survive.
Glad you enjoyed the film. I thought it was great. I bear in mind the fact that when I was in Primary School (5-10 yrs) I was nearer in time to those veterans of WW1 than we are now to WW2. In fact the Falklands War (1982) is nearer now than the end of WW1 was when I was born! Eeek...!
You might want to enlighten yourself as to how the US public treated soldiers returning from the Vietnam War - not that long ago but it was far from thank you for your service
Very moving video from you two. Respect to everyone in the Great War.
He was given open access by the Imperial War Museum to their entire WW1 film archive's
America certainly didn't uphold the military veterans of the Vietnam war at the time, it was the opposite, they wanted them to be forgotten.
When did the great depression start? The war ended at the end of 1918 (11th November). They came back to a changed world that was heading for economic collapse. There was no TV, little radio, it was not like today and you should not compare their situation with what we all hope happens today.
Because of the massive slow-down in munitions and all war material production, there was a very quick recession. made much much worse, by the US stock market crash in 1929, which continued all over the world, till just before the second world war, kicked off production again. What a neat cycle that was, some might say it was deliberately concocted.
Whole towns villages friends work mates , join up together serve togethet fight together die together !...
We seem to forget family.xx
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I like the way that lad got his hat shot of his head and just turned around and laughing at his matès
3 of my ancestors died in ww1 so it's a small miracle that my family didn't die out.
I loved this film and I agree that the testimony of the men made it work for me.
The fictionalised HBO show band of brothers uses the same idea.
they were a true ' band of brothers ' and that should be respected, different times, different world, we owe such a massive debt to these men and all our service personnel
Nah all british men where forced to join no matter what class only exceptions was if you where a firefighter or factory owner
Hello, a little different but do the Iranian embassy siege in London with the SAS
come to Scotland we have history u will never understand us we are British and serve our flag
Come to my village churchyard.and look at some of the white Legion gravestones.
Of course they said they'll do it again, they were the survivors
You may want to talk to Vietnam vets about how they were received back home.
Up load the actual poem of the unknown soldier