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I've lived in Pa. my entire life (50 years). I hunt in 7 states. The Pa. wardens are the most ignorant and unprofessional by far. Good luck I wanted to buy a drone but do not need the aggravation.
I 100 percent agree…Pa Wardens Want to Fine Hunters….they Look for Reason without any Understanding to a situation. I’m a Pa Resident Hunter Hunting Pa 20 plus years…never in a different state have I been treated like I was at Home…Unfortunately
How unfortunate
It’s set up like a carnival game. Rigged to lose and impossible to win the game.
Meanwhile, Michigan says hold my beer to pa.
I can see that the Louisiana case may be a little different than a plain recovery effort due to the fact they went in and killed the deer after locating with a drone instead of waiting for it to expire on it's own. They did actually continue to pursue and take the animal after it had been located.
Seems like they definitely broke the law on that one .
@@arnw7933 actually you can pursue the deer if you have wounded it, drone, dog, whatever. You cannot use the drone to find a deer havent yet made contact with a weapon. Maybe some gray area but they didnt break the law. Itll go to court, be dismissed and they will get their antlers. Just standby
@jacobharing I wasn't aware of the pursuing an injured animal part. I have been fortunate enough to never have to look for a deer i've shot, I'm sure one day I'll have too
I wrote to PA game commission after the initial sting operation. I am hopeful that thermal drones will be allowed in PA. As someone with severe red/green color blindness blood tracking is nearly impossible for me. This limits my hunting opportunities to only when I know I will be able to have a family member or friend available to help me track if needed. The ability to use a thermal drone would be a huge game changer for me.
Sounds like PA warden, wanted a free drone setup. Just straight up stole it, using a badge.
I really like the drone use it's unlimited potential. Missing persons, list pet's, escapees in the woods for law enforcement, deer counts on your property. Keep up the great work
I am from Pa also. They had public meetings about the Sarurday opener last year. Many people spoke about going back to Monday. They had polls and most wanted Monday opener. The commisioners already made up their mind before the meeting even happened to keep it as Saturday opener. They didn't even pay attention to what the people had to say. So good luck to you to get drones in Pa. I love the concept and your videos. Watched everyone of them. GOOD LUCK
PA needs to get their $hit together. I've talked to wardens about several things and have gotten answers different from releases from the PGC. Never had an issue with a warden, only confusion on how laws are to be interpreted and followed by hunters and trappers.
Keep up the great work guys. Love the podcast.
Much appreciated!
Im in state of Georgia and I’m studying for part 107 cert and will be joining my counties CERT team soon and love watching these videos.
I'm in va and was ready to order a drone and become a pilot but I'm afraid to because we have heard different stories about drones coming from va game wardens
Flying here in Georgia and doing recoveries is trouble free just follow the laws.
I want to do this so bad I’m here in Michigan. I love all of the new ideas and concepts that you keep coming up with. (Field days) Keep it up!
I'm with you dude, I'm wanting to start up as soon as Michigan gets it through.
Appreciate clearing up the lousianna story! When I first read the article it sounded way different.
always does! Most of the game wardens are good guys but many times things get blown out of proportion by the law
I might try this is as a side endeavor next year. I enjoy listening to all drone news and this one is pretty neat
Finally got the audio sorted out. Good work gentleman.
I live in southwestern, PA Westmoreland county to be exact and I've been thinking about getting into this. I don't know how many people are in my area doing it or whatever, but I can't wait to hear the rest of this podcast out and I don't know. Maybe I'll be in contact with you Mike. I'm wanting to know more about this. I seriously am so I'm going to talk it over with my wife here and see what happens
Pa game warden’s are ignorant as hell
Caught a guy from hundreds of miles away in another state trespassing and poaching with aerial. He got arrested. Don’t know how he knew there was a monster buck here hundreds 250 /300 miles from where he lived, I don’t know. He told the deputy that he had his own tv show in Missouri about deer hunting. These people need to be stopped from poaching. I myself appreciate the dnr officers.
@@jeremiahjohnson8252what he said was they used a drone on their property flying it around and caught this guy trespassing and he lives 300 miles away.
@@brockpeck7073my brother has trouble with hunters on his land that don’t even have the decency to ask permission to hunt. He tears down their stands. The last one he took down was expensive.
My brother doesn’t really hunt, and he has a lot of good food for deer and turkey just naturally.
I have seen some monster deer on his land, but I don’t hunt either.
It is good to know the food is there if we need it, but the gall of these other guys just trespassing…
I’ve seen all your videos love them all I’ll pray 🙏 for legislation on the approval of thermal drones and recovery of carcasses I’m planning on getting a drone but my first will be entry level drone not thermal but can see the advantage of thermal
I live in Michigan and am an avid hunter. Would love to start a Drone deer business here but cannot invest money in a business like this without some laws on the books to protect my investment. Although there are some different ways to use it here as we are in farm country, I believe that the deer recovery would be the majority of the business. Hopefully Michigan will get on board and realize what a great tool this is for hunters.
Great info, keep it rolling. I would definitely be interested in the meet up / demo before purchasing. Thanks for the consideration.
Come see us at a show!
I’ll be there in Harrisburg! I’ve been tracking with Bavarian Mountain Hounds since it’s been legal in PA and then bought a thermal drone for our high fence hunting ranch. The drone and dog combo takes your chances for recovery WAY up, but I can’t use the drone outside the ranch, well at least it’s not clear, so I haven’t been using it free range. We gotta get this passed cause I get 30+ calls a night in archery season from people who need help, the drone would allow me to move faster and help more people.
Agreed
I never allow any weapons on site while I’m there with my drone.
If I was told a dog was coming then I would leave. No weapons being on site is how you avoid breaking the law. It’s how you stay safe without getting a citation.
Exactly, the hunters time is worth some sort of dollar amount all the time he spends searching for the wounded or now dead deer that walked away. So why not pay someone to find it in short time.
That would be my dream job. Retired LEO, but I can’t afford the 20k to get into it. It would be awesome to be able to get my foot in the door, but, I have little ones and can’t finance such a drone. Lucky to have my 1500.00 3 year old DJI drone I have now.
Just entered the contest. I have zero RC experience apart from a 1980s RC car a friend let me wreck when I was about 12 years old lol
I would totally love to be a part of using this new technology to help people find their deer, pets and even loved ones! This would be so cool. Does the winner also get whatever classes necessary to get a pilot's license?
I heard that there are many "volunteer" game wardens in Pa., and that it's really just a wing job. Sad. The hunters are not the ones that need DDR the most, it's more for the respect of the animal that needs DDR. Cmon man !
Part of the issue in pa is the PGC is a private company they are not a government agency. They are given guidelines by the legislature then allowed to make rules and regulations that fall within those guidelines. Been fighting for Sunday hunting for years but the farm bureau lobbies to stop it every time it comes up.
My father lost a huge deer earlier this year and we were sick to our stomachs for months. If we could have used a drone I would have done so 10/10 x
Thats why you never call the game warden lol
Come to the great outdoor show in Harrisburg in February.
We’ll be there 👍
Before I order, how is the fit with the hoodies? Do they run large or small?
I had a bit of a panic yesterday when I realized I didn't listen to the DDR podcast Friday until I realized it didn't come out Friday. Then I was wondering if the podcast stopped or they skipped a week.
With all this controversy from state and local. Its hard to justify spending that large amount of money not knowing if and when it may be taken or not. I'll wait it out before my investment and till then will get part 107 and look into my state Tennessee views and laws on it. Great business love to be doing it also soon.
MICHIGAN LET'S GET THIS RIG ROLLIN !!!
I live and hunt in Pa. And wardens are like police, there are always a few that think they are God. Others are aren't bad just doing their job making everything safe. These drones are a great Idea. This saves wasting the animal which is supposedly one of the rules. Good luck, keep up the hard work.
While this looks like it could be a lot of fun, sacrificing my own hunting time during the prime time of the season is a nonstarter for me. There are easier ways to make the money that don't require all-nighters and aren't strictly seasonal.
Well I went on 58 recoveries this year. It was very hard to find time to hunt. However I was able to arrow two bucks. A 153” and a 149” 8 point. So it can be done. The season is long. The money is good!!!!
@@Cooper0307 Nice work! Where do you live, Coop?
Still curious on what your guy's stance/opinion is on michigan legalizing/ allowing them?
I was chatting with a PGC warden last year and asked if he gets to do much hunting, to which he responded, “No, I just hunt people.” Doesn’t feel like a conservation officer to me
Hay guys. I have a question. Is the hunt over after the hunt. To me, yes. You cannot hunt at night, so in my eyes it's a recovery. No deer are harmed with a drone. Drones don't shot arrows or bullets.
Best of luck. I went to a open meeting in January 2023 with the pa game commission and brought up this topic and spoke about the benefits. You get 5 minutes to speak and then you go sit down. They don't even respond to you after you speak and you don't ever hear anything back
As a hunter and attorney, I'm very clear on the laws in Virginia -- interested in the issues at play and they are not always black and white.
Texas is pretty clear, must have a State Permit.
Aircraft
Any mechanical or other device used for flight; this includes unmanned aerial vehicles (aka drones). Aircraft may not be used, or any attempt, to hunt, locate (including wounded animals), photograph, count, harass, drive any animal without a department-issued permit.
Recovering deer is a no brainer.
I think what they are worried about is using them to hunt with.
The PA Game commission likes to make their own rules. While there are many examples of this, one that comes to mind regarding drones is printed in the game laws book given to hunters when purchasing a hunting license. It states in the handbook that one can not take off, land, operate or fly over Pa Game Lands. This is absolutely false and the game commission was told in 2016 by the PA Legislature that they needed to change their ruling before making it into law and couldn’t say “fly over”. They don’t own the airspace and therefore cannot regulate flying over, only the FAA can regulate that. But yet they still print it that way every year in their handbook to hunters.
Good luck on using a drone in Pa. It took how many years to ge even 1 Sun. to hunt while boardering states had it for years. Pa. if they ever allow drones for anything will be last on the list to do so. More interested in trying to collect money for fines such as the sting operation.
You can see where this is going to go. The main reason some of these states are opposing the use of Thermal Drones for deer recovery is they haven’t drafted up any legislation yet to regulate and tax a drone recovery business. When these state wildlife agencies figure out how to profit from these drone recovery businesses they’ll call it legal in the name of revenue. The state government has to get a cut on anything that becomes successful and profitable. 😡
Did you hear Kentucky stopping or trying to stop cell game cams? If they do how far of is drons?
I think they passed, no use of drones or cell game cams on public lands.
@@rickdotson7074 I didn't know if they did I knew it was up for discussion. That will hurt their out of state hunting revenue.
@@rickdotson7074 It was discussed in their last meeting but nothing has passed yet. They are proposing banning drone use and cell cam use on WMAs and any agency regulated lands. They have included an exemption in the proposed rule to allow drone use for recovery on private lands. It hasn't been adopted yet, they were researching more before the next meeting.
@@gregnugent5678 I wasn't sure if it had passed or just a proposal. I understand the drone situation because of the issue someone using one for hunting or stalking. The cell cam usage on public land i don't get.
@@Oleman72 That's possible but Kentucky has been selling off public hunting land for years for interstate ideas that destroy untouched wilderness. In the last 20 years, WMA's are logging and doing things to take away from hunter and outdoor life. If you hunt Land Between The Lakes in western Kentucky, you buy a hunting permit to hunt but you have to use your statewide tags, deer or turkey. I love hunting that area but i'm not driving 250 miles to use my statewide tags for what i can kill locally.
Thing is most states have game law or rule language that you can not use a drone for hunting and some COs and states consider using a drone to recover the game as part of the hunt not to mention pursuit at night .These are just the first states in a long line you will have turn on this and have to have regulations changed and that is time consuming and can take 1 to 2 years in most states to get done in any game commision setting . Good luck its about to get harder as this gets bigger here is why the DNRs or game commissions are not making money from this and they will not want to allow it unles sthere is a way to do so . Think that many states require a valid hunting license and or outfitting license or permit to do those things or guide hunters to game
How did the warden get the operators number? I've since pulled all of my business cards and shut off that phone number. Not sure how to proceed.
When the police are involved, your chances of going to jail goes up significantly. Game wardens are above police, so the advice still stands.
Game wardens are above police? Glad no one told me that when I was a state trooper and arrested a game warden.
@@Hammerback972 You should know then that their jurisdiction is federal and always trumps the state.
What PA “law” is violated by using a drone? The only place I could find mentioned about drones is in the Hunters Digest, no drones flying over game lands. That’s it
Will you ship merch to canada?
How much is average price for drone deer recovery?
So I have a question for entering the give a way, and I'm sure others have the same question. Can you buy anything or only shirts? I got confused by that.
Any purchase of the "Gonna be Wild" Hoodie or T-shirt gets an automatic entry to the drone giveaway
@@dronedeerrecovery ok. That's clear now. Thanks
As a PA hunter for 25 years it is sad to see what has become of our game commission. Their public relations have just gone to garbage because of nonsense like this. I hope some of you read this too… good to know you don’t have the time, resources or patience to investigate who
poached the giant 10 point piebald last year but you have all you need to set up a sting on a guy who was only there to help recover a buck. Someone needs to dox the officer and his county headquarters. Be better PGC 😒
This is the Pennsylvania Game Commission. What is your name, address, and hunting license number?
PGC, Harrisburg, Pa ,17025
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@@Outdoormaniac3123 aren’t you busy sitting in full camo 30 yards of a public hunting access parking lot nabbing turkey hunters for taking off their orange hats 100ft from their trucks?! 🤣🤣
@PeanutButterRipple 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I totally agree with you.
Pgc is a profit organization, and they have altered the sport and heritage in this state over the past 2 decades
Sounds like an entrapment case
The "industry" of hunting is what many people have a problem with. When technologhy pokes its head onto the scene people get divided. There can be fine lines..crossbow debate, cellular trail cams, now drones. Its all very debatable. I personally would rather see moe emphisis on shot placements and overlooked shot angles. So often arrows should never have been released. Really hard to pass up a shot on "buck of lifetime" but that kind of defines ethical hunting.
Is there any other states that say you cannot pursue game after twenty four hours? I know you have a video or two where it's been more than twenty four hours..
I think this could be something that is excepted everywhere if the pilot is the only one that sees the footage while searching for a deer that's shot and is assumed to be dead and if the pilot is successful in locating the deer and it's dead the pilot and a assistant would be the only ones who would be permitted to go and recover the deer not to be accompanied by the hunter or anyone who hunts the property. I the deer is alive the only information that the pilot can relay to the hunter or anyone who is hunting the property is the deer is alive and if they believe the deer will die or live and they could suggest the hunter wait a certain amount of time before attempting to recover deer and that is it no other information could be given from the pilot. And they could even make it a no hunt property for 24 hours or something like that. I believe it would be permitted by every state with something like this implemented
It sounds to me like the warden just wanted a free drone. Did you say no tickets or charges where issued. They just took it and left?
I sure hope Michigan reverses their anti drone recovery position. I know so many people that have lost deer.
Here’s the problem the Laws have to be made in black and white it’s this way or not and take the gray area or the interpretation out of the game wardens because game wardens can interpret a law one way with particular person and then the next day same warden interprets a different way for different person so one guy gets ticket and truck and weapons taken from him but the other person that did the same thing just gets a warning citation so take the gray area and interpretation completely out of wardens hands and until this happens there will always be problems
There is no possible way there should ever be different interpretations of a state law from warden to warden. Pick one and be consistent throughout the state.
I say it’s fine as long as you don’t go in and shoot a deer if it’s still alive. Even if they go and say that you can only use a drone at night that’s a win in my state of Illinois
Bring lawyers, guns and money we're getting through with this
Commissioners are appointed by the Governor of the state…it should be voted position by the people. Sorry they are not for hunters they are for position and power…remember it’s we the people
This is a video to get people behind drone recovery I tried tell y’all they are serious about this because people will use this for the wrong reason if it was only used for deer recovery only like in the dark nite say you get hour to try locate the animal then you have to stop see what y’all are not realizing is the deer belong to the state it walks in so Pennsylvania deer belong to the citizens of Pennsylvania even if it’s on private land so if you use a device to give yourself advantage and I can’t then you have created a advantage for yourself on top of the possibility of illegal use to just locate big bucks see
you think you have problems in PA, Michigan is even worse! I was told I can not fly my simple little MINI 2 over my state hunting land to scout areas??
yaaa we have that in PA also since 2016 unless they rolled back on that which I doubt.
@@cm52311the game commission has over stepped their bounds. See my post about the PA legislature telling the PGC that they cannot limit flying over State Game Lands. I have a copy of the ruling by the legislature…..game commission can only enforce rules by the legislature
That us exactly the problem! Using a drone to recover a deer is one thing and is ok....using a drone to SCOUT?? Come on man....that's NOT hunting! This is the fear by game wardens...so called "hunters" using drones to HUNT! They see that people like you want to use them to scout and the next step...morons will trying to tie shot guns and spears to their drones! They only should be used for deer recovery for the less skilled hunters who cannot drop a deer with the first shot!
Was this during hunting season.? I’m gonna get one use it for recovery and not charge people I personally know.and just do it at night.alone.wear regular clothes get coordinate’s and leave .come back later or send to buddy not illegal to play with your drone at night .I wouldn’t record or save anything they could use against you to prove what you were really doing.there are ways around ambiguous laws.can’t stand on side of road and launch it.those good ones operate at 400 ft nobody gonna hear shit.
I am all for this recovery service...I see the need and fully support it....but calling drone operators "pilots" is a little bit of a stretch!
How are you all gonna ensure that drones are NOT gonna be used for things like scouting and hunting? I am all for recovery...but that is it and that needs to be controlled. You can't just fly anywhere without permission.
Have the piolets be licened and bonded. If you get caught not complying to the license requirements then ticket them. Thats whst its all about. Money, money, money.
Already not allowed to fly any drones on state game lands and state parks.
Wardens are still cops regardless some are great and some let the power go to there head
Unfortunately bad people ruin cool things
How many folks have lost deer that would have otherwise recovered them with the ability to use this technology. If you are going to allow dogs why not allow drones??!!!!!! Makes zero sense
That’s what you do every time is bash Game warden
Most are shitbags
PA game Wardens are A Holes!!!! They just care about compensation for the state!!!
Bought my shirt and hope I win I have never flown a drone and would love to be the guy to come in knowing nothing and being trained properly. Very interested in the Ag market also.
You have to know the tree hugging anti gun anti hunting people will never leave you guys alone. So.e will continue and say they saw someone with a gun and put the wardens on you. There is a need for your service and i hope the laws will allow it. Theres a lot of Karens out there that will never let up and the anti 2A is an example.
If the deer is really dead that your looking for, how would it show up on a thermal image, dead equals no heat? Pursuing a live animal , even a wounded one is still hunting , and any aircraft use is illegal for that purpose on game animals. - also flying drones over private property for the intent on filming what is below is an invasion of privacy.
A deers body gives off-heat for at least 24 hrs.and some have been found 2 days later dead.decomposition starts and that generates heatthese guys aren’t filming they are just using thermal imaging to locate the deer.you think the deer should get legal counsel for invasion. They are the only ones being spied on..your wrong about that.not illegal unless you are hovering over a house there are faa rules about what height you must fly over structures.u can’t trespass the eyes.landowners do don’t own the air space well above there homes.most times they are flying at 400 ft.
Come on let's be honest, so many drone operators get their jollies trying to see someone "naked", . Invasion of privacy, period. I rarely see a drone operator staying up at 400 feet over any structure. In most states, anything that can be defined as harassing wildlife is called hunting, and requires following all the rules and licenses a hunter has to. Artificial lights, thermal images, hunting hours, seasons, etc. Its just like putting on a drive, even the drivers are considered hunters, and must have licenses and follow all the rules, whether they have a gun or not.
Im sorry to break it to you but they are voting in April and it is not looking good in PA.
Also not to be that guy but technically the game commission is not to serve us The game commission is not there to serve the public The game commission is there in PA to serve the wildlife. In PA the wildlife comes first then the hunter
You can bet your last dollar that someone will begrudge the fact that you are making money doing this. Now we know who they are. It's not about conservation, it's all about the almighty dollar which rules the world. They are jealous that you are making money from it and they are not.
whether you knowit or not, most DNR officers are not on the same page as hunters, quite a few DNR employees are left leaning liberals and dont like hunting at all. so is the case here in Indiana. dont get me wrong, there are some really good wardens here but they will fight this tooth and nail to keep drones out of service. I want to do this here in Indiana but it dont look good
Any shows on n va
Typical possum cop behavior. Not our fault they got picked on when they was kids .
yall worried about drone recovery in pa just the last few yrs they finally let us recover with dogs ffs good luck the pgc are pricks
I know this has been argued over and over, but, if your drone flies over someone else’s property , they have a right to shoot it down. That’s envision of privacy. All drones, even kids drones have camera on them. You can’t peek into or into someone else’s land. Get permission to do so or stop doing it. If one flew over my property, I would then own a pile of junk since it would be shot down. Respect the people or get out of business. Ask for permission. Stop doing it just because your are the bully and don’t care about others privacy rights. How about we all fly drones over your house all year long so yon never have any privacy on your own property. See how you like it. So many have lost the skill of tracking a wounded animal.
Actually you do not have a right to shoot a drone down. A drone is considered an aircraft by the FAA just as any manned airplane and it is a federal crime if you shoot it down. It is also illegal for a drone operator to hover over someone else's private property with the intent of spying on them. If that happens you need to get law enforcement or the FAA involved.
I love it when these idiots make these ignorant replies.no fucking clue.@@gregnugent5678
Stop interrupting
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All that talk and still can’t say what people are making and still didn’t say how many he’s done.
I can see 100 problems with drones. The one that always stands out to me in videos is a law that gets broken nonstop by you operators. Thats a rule that applies in states like Ohio where "spotlighting" is illegal. You guys light up deer from the sky all the time weather they are dead or alive. I cant legally spotlight deer here but for some reason you guys think you can. Im surprised lots of tickets havent been written just from videos alone.
As far as spotlighting goes if you try finding your deer at night if you use a flashlight, large or small could you get called spotlighting. If you shine your light on a live deer that's not the one you shot, is that spotlighting. The drone light is used to verify and id a dead deer or not.
@@terrytesterman1689 Interesting points. I wonder if the law distinguishes between using a light for navigation, versus using it to actively locate animals. Either way, who among us hasn't used a flashlight to blood-trail a deer at night? Oftentimes it would be unethical to NOT search at night for risk of spoilage or loss to scavengers (ie coyotes). I don't know any other way than to use artificial light of some sort.
The Pa Game commission never seems to work in the hunters best interest. We have been fighting for Sunday hunting for over 30 years. They are resistant to change and are run by a bunch of FUDD’s. Hopefully we can get the drone issue resolved since it makes no sense the way the law is being interpreted against drone pilots. What was done to the pilot who had his drone confiscated was for no other reason then to flex muscle and intimidate; that’s how they work by making an example of him. I will try to make it to the January 26th PGC meeting and maybe I will see you there. As far as the LA drone pilot, his flying while watching the dog tracker work and when the animal was shot could be a problem since that could be interpreted as actual hunting and assisting in the kill
So a trail camera with a flash is illegal?
@@lawrencefranck9417 you cant be that ignorant