R50 Pathfinder/QX4 Rear Shocks Explained! Using Longer Shocks, and Understanding the Math Behind It.

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  • @208Tyler
    @208Tyler  4 роки тому +1

    For more R50 Pathfinder/QX4 info, as well as general 4x4 content and footage, be sure to check out all of my playlists here: m.ua-cam.com/channels/XQrfhnybLbMyjHGTcriRCQ.htmlplaylists

  • @b-radumuck7903
    @b-radumuck7903 3 роки тому

    I started to get a head ache but then you started firing some long dead brain cells and I became mesmerized .. My head ache slipped away and my brain started firing on all cylinders.. Thanks for the tune up

  • @janellelynch3355
    @janellelynch3355 3 роки тому +1

    Thank you soooooooo much for doing this video. I ran into a problem while trying to change out the rear shocks on the pre facelift model. This video game me some clarity. You're awsome for this buddy!!

  • @sidewaysshed
    @sidewaysshed 2 роки тому +1

    Hey R50 owners, I have just spent most of the day playing with a forklift and my 96 (pre facelift) R50. I am running NRC9449 springs and was trying to decide which shocks to purchase.
    I have come to the conclusion on a pre facelift the Bilsten 33-185552 is the best length shock for 9449s.
    Any longer than this you will need to retain the coils somehow (The ProComps come close but spring can 100% drop out).
    The other thing I found on a straight axle drop (so both sides even down to max shock extension) the 33-185552s length is slightly longer than the point the pitman arm stops down travel on the right side.
    You will need to extend swaybar links and brake line and diff breather with these shorter Bilstens.
    You shouldn't need to extend bumpstops with 9449s as the coils will bind before the shock bottoms out.
    Hopefully this helps someone out.
    Unfortunately I have never played with a facelift model so can't help here but looking at numbers I'd guess the ProComps would be a good place to start 🤔
    Must of watched this video 50 times working this out, thanks Tyler

    • @208Tyler
      @208Tyler  2 роки тому +1

      The math is way complicated for what most people are trying to accomplish, it’s a mess haha. Glad you got your stuff figured out. I’ve heard speculation that you should avoid relying on the coil binding as a bumpstop but I’ll leave that up to further research. You said pitman arm, but I think you mean panhard bar. Good stuff!

  • @Glazeddonut89
    @Glazeddonut89 4 роки тому +2

    I'm running the ProComps with 9447 springs and it rides great!

    • @208Tyler
      @208Tyler  4 роки тому

      Good to hear! Thanks for sharing your experience

    • @Glazeddonut89
      @Glazeddonut89 4 роки тому +1

      @@208Tyler When I installed them my buddy suggested putting them in upside down. Awful idea. Harshest ride ever. It was like having a 2x4 bolted back there. Flipped em back over and much better. They are a little stiff though since they are a reboundless type. Meaning they don't extend back out on their own. So the dampening is stiffer but smooth.

    • @ridefaster6802
      @ridefaster6802 4 роки тому +2

      @Bobby Patton good to know I wasn’t aware that it would make a difference in ride quality.

    • @GreatDomski
      @GreatDomski 3 роки тому +1

      @@Glazeddonut89 Any updates on those shocks?

  • @albertquezada7086
    @albertquezada7086 4 роки тому +3

    Great video but I do have a question. I plan on installing the nrc9449 but do I need to install the 33-185569 bilstein or can I put the 33-185552 bilstein because I was planning on pairing them with the 33-185552 because I’m trying to avoid the extending of my break lines. Thanks in advance!

    • @208Tyler
      @208Tyler  4 роки тому +1

      The ‘52’s will do the job. They’re long enough for the LR coils.👍🏻

  • @marvinmills8737
    @marvinmills8737 9 місяців тому

    Great content! What did you do to modify the shock mounts for your 33-185569’s? Thank you

    • @208Tyler
      @208Tyler  9 місяців тому

      I used a larger bolt on the upper shock mount. This will only work if you’re in a later model R50, I believe 99.5 and up.

    • @marvinmills8737
      @marvinmills8737 9 місяців тому

      Perfect thank you mine is a 2001

  • @90sKid38BRL
    @90sKid38BRL 2 роки тому

    Hi, I have an 04 model with 2" spacer lift, rear shocks bushes need changing, so I'm just gonna change the shocks altogether.
    Should I buy an OE replacement with the same travel or something longer with more travel & if so will that require any modification?

  • @TravisGDecker
    @TravisGDecker 3 роки тому +1

    Hey great videos, I have a 99 made in 02/99 and it has the post face lift rear shock mounts. Hope tats helpful!

    • @208Tyler
      @208Tyler  3 роки тому

      Gotchya, is it actually a facelift though…?

    • @TravisGDecker
      @TravisGDecker 3 роки тому +1

      @@208Tyler I belive so, you would know more then I. Its got the honey comb grill, manufacture year 99.

    • @208Tyler
      @208Tyler  3 роки тому

      Yup, honeycomb grille is part of the facelift generation- thanks for the insight

  • @clintadams8451
    @clintadams8451 3 роки тому

    My 99.5 has vertical shocks. I have too use universal inner rack joint boots as the steering rack is bigger in diameter too the pre facelift model.

  • @tnerbb
    @tnerbb 4 роки тому +1

    Thanks for making videos like this!

  • @colinarmstrong1585
    @colinarmstrong1585 2 роки тому

    @208tyler I recent just had OME springs installed, both heavy duty in the front and heavy duty in the rear. Problem I’m having is how rough the rear seems to ride. It’s so stiff and very uncomfortable, feels like the truck just jumps in the air going over even a mild bump. I still have OEM rear shocks however and the mechanic said after installing springs that shocks are topped out pretty bad. Is the issue I’m having with how stiff the rear is because of the shocks or perhaps I got springs that were way to stiff and tough.

  • @jaybae8056
    @jaybae8056 Рік тому

    so which rear shocks should i get for my 1996 r50 XE, 5 spd manual 4x4? it has a 2" lift in the back. and also, where should i hit chassis lube points with my grease gun? thanks a bunch

    • @208Tyler
      @208Tyler  Рік тому +1

      I would go with Bilstein 33-185552.
      Uhmmm. Maybe sway bar links and u-joints. I’m not entirely sure

    • @jaybae8056
      @jaybae8056 Рік тому

      @@208Tyler thanks a billion!

  • @jake5655
    @jake5655 2 роки тому +1

    Okay quick question for you because it has been driving me crazy trying to analyze what may be the cause here.
    Recently just bought a 2001 R50 about a month ago. Previous owner installed NRC 9446's on the rear on 31" tires, and ironically i installed 2" spacers on OEM front coils to try to balance it out (the 9446s put the rear quite high in comparison to the front). The problem I'm having is a loud thump in the rear whenever there are bumps/speed bumps. Almost sounds like something shakes/jumps in the rear, which now im thinking might be the metal to metal contact (they have the 2 metal capsules, not the rubber boot). The shocks in the rear are similar to OEM dimensions (travel, extended, collapse etc) but now i'm thinking it'd be best to throw in some of the pro comp/bilstein shocks to increase length. Thoughts?
    btw thank you for these videos!!

    • @208Tyler
      @208Tyler  2 роки тому

      My first guess is that the shocks are too short and reach max length while going over the bumps. A longer shock would alleviate this issue.

    • @thefix2573
      @thefix2573 2 роки тому

      I agree. Too short of shocks or also need extended bump stops.

  • @vladsmirnov1947
    @vladsmirnov1947 3 роки тому +1

    Hey, I have a 98 Pathfinder and I want to upgrade to the LR 9449 coils. Will I have any issues using my KYB 343388 Shocks with the LR coils? I dont need more down travel from stock but I am just looking to lift the rear 2.5-3 inches with a high spring rate to be able to handle alot of weight in the rear. Any help is appreciated thanks!

    • @208Tyler
      @208Tyler  3 роки тому +1

      Using stock shocks with Land Rover coils is a mixed bag. You won’t have as much downtravel available, so you’re more likely to max out the shocks, which might make some noise and feels funny. But, you certainly can go ahead and try it, no harm in that. It may suit your needs just fine

    • @vladsmirnov1947
      @vladsmirnov1947 3 роки тому +1

      @@208Tyler Thanks for the reply appreciate it!

  • @mattiamangione7667
    @mattiamangione7667 2 роки тому

    Hey Tyler I know you don’t have one of these anymore but I had a quick question in regards to the Pro Comp shocks. They are ~2” longer then the 52 bilsteins but ~2” shorter then the other part number bilstein. Would you say these would need extended brake lines or breather hose? Thanks

    • @208Tyler
      @208Tyler  2 роки тому

      The pro comps are only really 1.1" longer than '52s and a about 2.7" shorter than the '69s. Especially if you have a post-facelift R50 with the updated shock mounts, I would assume that you don't need the extended brake line or breather hose. Both are cheap parts if you do end up needing them.

    • @mattiamangione7667
      @mattiamangione7667 2 роки тому

      @@208Tyler awesome thanks. That’ll be something I look more into when I throw the setup on. Gonna go with 9449s and pro comp shocks. Will just lifting the car up on jackstands and letting the axle droop tell me if my lines are long enough, or will the axle go lower then that when it’s flexing on one side?

    • @208Tyler
      @208Tyler  2 роки тому +1

      @@mattiamangione7667 Letting the axle droop once the shocks are on should tell you. There shouldn't be an appreciable difference between letting the axle drop opposed to flexing one side at a time IMO.

  • @TheMarg69
    @TheMarg69 3 роки тому

    So I haven't been able to find an answer. Does the rubber bushings in the shock absorber NEED a metal sleeve in them when installed. Driving a 99/pre face-lift and bought bilstein 185552. Not sure if I need to buy new bushings so I can fit anything correctly or what have you. Just trying to get everything ready so it can be a bolt on job

    • @208Tyler
      @208Tyler  3 роки тому +1

      I use my bilsteins each with one bushing not having a sleeve. On the other mount I had to use a larger bolt. You will have a gap on your lower mount that requires a different bushing, bigger sleeve, or larger bolt

    • @TheMarg69
      @TheMarg69 3 роки тому +1

      Awesome, thank you so much. You and scotty kilmer are my 2 car guys. I appreciate you and the time you take to make videos for us

    • @208Tyler
      @208Tyler  3 роки тому

      You bet. The shock fitment thing is honestly the dumbest part about lifting these. It’s easier on the facelifts, swapping a bigger bolt on was a breeze. I think most people go for a custom sleeve or different bushing on the pre-facelift.

  • @ridefaster6802
    @ridefaster6802 4 роки тому +1

    But what about Rancho! Great vid with in depth info, once again thanks for putting this all together!

    • @208Tyler
      @208Tyler  4 роки тому +1

      Funny that you mention that- 4x4parts.com sells a Rancho for the 2 inch lift, but they mask the part number. I would assume it’s similar to bilstein 33-185552.
      I looked through a Rancho catalogue. It was easy enough to read, but I didn’t find any bolt on part numbers and left it at that. If you found one of their catalogue’s, I’m sure you’d be able to find some kind of 16mm-16mm mount shock

    • @ridefaster6802
      @ridefaster6802 4 роки тому +3

      @Tyler Smith I purchased Rancho shocks for the rear of my R50 after installing LR 😁9447 springs and am very satisfied with the price as well as ride quality.
      Model Number RS55112

    • @208Tyler
      @208Tyler  4 роки тому +1

      26.4 extended 16 collapsed. Sounds like a solid part number, thanks for the heads up!👍🏻

    • @tjmaxxse
      @tjmaxxse 3 роки тому

      @@ridefaster6802 did they need to be modified at all or were the mounts the correct size?

    • @ridefaster6802
      @ridefaster6802 3 роки тому +2

      I ordered mine off Amazon and they fit right up on my 2002 R50

  • @digitalmdrealmd9124
    @digitalmdrealmd9124 3 роки тому

    Posted this question on the pathfinder forum but havent gotten any response. I'm considering AC front springs to match with the extended ome struts, nrc9449 rear springs. I haven't decided on rear shocks. Would like to run ome to match the struts and want to avoid making mods to make other shocks fit. Concerning the ome n104 shocks, the online pics don't show a bushing fitting for the top mount. How does that work? Been awhile since I'm been under the hood but I remember the R50 to have bushing fittings for top and bottom mounts, am I missing something? Any idea if ome n180 shocks would fit? Thoughts on my spring configuration.

    • @208Tyler
      @208Tyler  3 роки тому

      It's a stock image. The actual shock has bushings top and bottom.
      Spring configuration is fine, rear shocks might be a little short depending on how you use and drive the vehicle.

    • @grantcurry5292
      @grantcurry5292 3 роки тому

      @@208Tyler even the ome’s might be a little short? I would really like to stay away from having to extend break lines or other modifications when installing shocks. These are the last things I haven’t ordered 🥴

  • @ricksha_r5062
    @ricksha_r5062 4 роки тому

    Hey I am about to change my lift on my 97 pathfinder and wanted to make sure I have all the right parts. Do these part numbers sound right for what I am trying to do? Front N-OME928 HD coils / Rear NRC9449 / Bilstein 33-185569. I wasn't planning on bump stop extensions and brake line extensions. Do you recommend both for my application? I am planning on putting a front and rear bumper from Coastal Offroad. Winch in the front / Jerry cans, spare, hi-light rear. I figured the HD coils in the front and the 9449 would be good for the added weight.
    Thanks for all the content!

    • @208Tyler
      @208Tyler  4 роки тому

      Get the 33-185552 if you don’t want to extend an mess with brake lines. OME HD will not support weight as well as the AC coils. 9449 is good

    • @ricksha_r5062
      @ricksha_r5062 4 роки тому

      @@208Tyler do you have links to brake lines and bump stops that you would recommend. I know you pulled yours from a ford but are there other options?

    • @ricksha_r5062
      @ricksha_r5062 4 роки тому

      I thought the ome HD coils were rated for 200+ lbs.

    • @208Tyler
      @208Tyler  4 роки тому

      Brake line should be in description of my newest video, if not this one as well. Body lift spacers are common, look into that
      The OME coils are rated for 1/2” of lift at their weight capacity. The weight capacity is depended on whether you get HD MD or LD. HD is supposed to proved 1/2” of lift at the weight of a metal bumper and winch

    • @ricksha_r5062
      @ricksha_r5062 4 роки тому

      @@208Tyler got it, so if I got the AC coils I would get the 2 inch lift or more and it would support the weight of the bumper with winch. I have spacers now but want to take them out due to the aggressive cv angles.

  • @zilla591
    @zilla591 4 роки тому

    Then based upon given I don't take my QX4 anywhere off road, but want a wider stance with my tires, what do you believe would be a good brand for 1 in. spacers? Given I wouldn't be putting the suspension under any extreme angles due to not going off road, do you think i could install 1" spacers without modifying the suspension for a larger clearance? If so, any recommended brands that would be nice without having to break the bank completely?

    • @208Tyler
      @208Tyler  4 роки тому

      I have no personal experience with wheel spacers, eBay special or otherwise.
      Adding wheel spacers is a modification that works pretty independently of any suspension modifications, though it may cause the tires to hit fenders during suspension uptravel, which mostly only happens off road

    • @zilla591
      @zilla591 4 роки тому

      @@208Tyler sweet, I've just heard that you should get quality parts or no parts, because I know some cheap ones could thoroughly mess up, crack, and cause a much larger problem in a relatively short amount of time

  • @YourAverageGamerRD
    @YourAverageGamerRD 4 роки тому +1

    Really useful!

  • @vrylander
    @vrylander 4 роки тому

    Were your shock mounts direct fit or did you have to modify the mounts? Ex. 16x42 to 12x42. I'm interested in going with the Bilstein 33-18552 for my 04. But it looks like I will have to modify the mounts somehow. Want to share a video of how to modify those mounts?

    • @208Tyler
      @208Tyler  4 роки тому

      No, my shocks were not direct fit, as I state in the video.
      In terms of modifying shock mounts, all of my suggestions for that are in the video, I simply pinched the upper ear mounts on my shocks.

  • @ThanxBeToGod
    @ThanxBeToGod 3 роки тому +1

    I just paid for the entire OME suspension upgrade.
    Listening you refer to these "Landrover Springs" (rear), and Bilstein rear shocks... UGH!!!
    Did I buy the wrong gear?!?!?!
    I'm about to pull the trigger on a set of 245/60R20s (provided i can find the right wheels).
    The miles I will put on this R50 are mostly highway and rural 2 lane County roads, with an occasional trip on forest service roads. No serious Rubicon trail rock crawling or mud pits.
    I bought the 2" suspension spacers, but I'm prepared to cancel that order, after understanding your take on the side effects of spacer use.
    I'm unsure, if I'll need those 2" spacers on the front. Given the tires and black rhino wheels I'm looking at.c

    • @208Tyler
      @208Tyler  3 роки тому +1

      Why’d you get the OME ANDthe Spacers? I would just ditch the spacers and install the OME kit. That kit will ride really well. The Land Rover springs will lift higher and carry weight better. I have ALOT of material talking about them and all the other spring options
      If you’re planning on tires that are taller than 31”, you need 3.75 backspacing.

    • @ThanxBeToGod
      @ThanxBeToGod 3 роки тому +1

      @@208Tyler Can I use the land rover springs with my OME shocks? Will I still need the extended brake line and breather tube?

    • @208Tyler
      @208Tyler  3 роки тому +1

      @@ThanxBeToGod Yes, you can use them.
      Like explained in this video, shocks of a shorter length such as the OME will not require an extended brake line

  • @tylanb7645
    @tylanb7645 4 роки тому

    Are the 33-185552 compatible with 1.5in spacers all around?

    • @208Tyler
      @208Tyler  4 роки тому

      Probably. I think your coils will stay seated with those shocks.
      If you’ve seen any of my other videos, I really don’t recommend spacers for lifting, they’re a bare bones option and have negative side affects on the front suspension

    • @tylanb7645
      @tylanb7645 4 роки тому +1

      Tyler Smith I’m only doing spacers cause I won’t be really going off-roading only on special occasions in a sense. I’m really only doing it for looks and to fit bigger tires in a cheap budget way. But if they’re gonna affect the suspension in a negative way I’ll probably just try something else honestly cause I don’t wanna mess anything up.

    • @208Tyler
      @208Tyler  4 роки тому

      Well, the most negative side affects of spacers (in the front) occurs off road where the CV axles reach extreme angles that are greater than what the stock geometry would cause.
      Spacers will still ride worse then springs, and the load capacity will not be increased at all- when towing, hauling people, or with a full trunk, everything is gonna sag and squat. Springs provide better handling at a lifted height, and also allow you to carry and load stuff up in the vehicle without it handling poorly or having the vehicle sag back down to near stock height

  • @MikeZ32TT
    @MikeZ32TT 3 роки тому +1

    Nice

  • @markleubner
    @markleubner 2 роки тому

    The pro comp shock has been discontinued current similar model is the es3000

    • @208Tyler
      @208Tyler  2 роки тому

      Interesting. I guess that was bound to happen, this videos getting to be 2.5 years old now

  • @osmanazmi5315
    @osmanazmi5315 4 роки тому

    what is the standard suspension dimensions . can you help me please

    • @208Tyler
      @208Tyler  4 роки тому +1

      You’re gonna have to be way more specific than that

    • @thefix2573
      @thefix2573 2 роки тому

      @@208Tyler haha

  • @Ak-bx9xn
    @Ak-bx9xn 4 роки тому +3

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