Top 5 Favorite Heat Exchange Boiler Espresso Machines of 2022
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- Опубліковано 15 лип 2024
- Check out our top 5 favorite heat-exchange boiler espresso machines of 2022. Our picks are based on verified user review ratings, customer feedback to our customer service staff, opinions of our service technicians, our daily use experience and visits with manufacturers. All of our favorites average at least 4.5 out of 5 stars in owner/customer ratings.
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Chapters
00:00 Introduction
03:06 Profitec Pro 400
04:42 Bezzera BZ 13 DE
06:38 ECM Mechanika V Slim
08:57 Rocket Appartamento
10:14 Profitec Pro 500 PID
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In-Depth Video Reviews:
Profitec Pro 400: • Review: Profitec Pro 4...
Bezzera BZ13 DE & PM: • Review: Bezzera BZ13 P...
ECM Mechanika V Slim: • Review ECM Mechanika V...
Rocket Espresso Appartamento: • Review: Rocket Espress...
Profitec Pro 500 PID: • Review: Profitec Pro 5...
Flow Control Profiles - 2 Easy Methods: • Better Espresso Using ...
Products
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ECM Mechanika V Slim: www.wholelattelove.com/produc...
Rocket Espresso Appartamento: www.wholelattelove.com/produc...
Profitec Pro 500: www.wholelattelove.com/produc...
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Nice video as always. I bought the rocket Giotto with PID from you guys 3 years ago! And it’s service as well as yours is top notch. Easily maintainable and my espresso is superb compared to the appliance grade machine I started on. Thanks for offering top quality products and service WLL to 25 more!🎉
Hi JH, Thanks for the kind comment and your patronage!
Marc
You guys are awesome, love all your content and look forward to learning all that I can from you guys. I will became a customer as soon as I can.
Awesome! Thank you!
Marc
Nice video on hear exchanger machines. I had a BZ10 which I really liked as the group is really nice. I gave it to my brother when I upgrades to a Londinium lever which is a great espresso machine. Drinking coffee any time of the day, and roasting many different beans too.
Thanks for sharing!
Marc
My long term relationship with the amazing Bezzera BZ-10, has established the winner of this review! Bezzera I am in love with you!
Hi DA, Thanks for sharing your love!
Marc
Very glad to see Rocket and Bezzera in your 🔝 5 Heat exchange choices
Hey K, Of course and thanks for the comment!
Marc
I just bought a Profitec pro 400 from you guys and received it earlier this week. Loving it so far! was a big upgrade from my gaggia classic pro.
Hi Blake, Thanks for your report and patronage! Yes, nice upgrade. Of course the GCP is solid starter.
Marc
Are you still liking the PP400? I have one on pre-order, moving from a GCP.
@@08shiver750 I am! I don’t think you’ll regret the upgrade. I still use it almost every morning. Compared to the GCP the PP400 just feels so much more akin to a commercial machine, particularly with steaming quality and better temperature stability, Its a pleasure to use.
@@MrTwins95 I am also interested in the PP400, how long does it take to heat up in the morning? also, how often do you need to dispose the liquids tray? thanks!
@@eranoved6757 I usually give it like 20 - 30 minutes in the morning. I have it set to a smart outlet and it turns on before I get out of bed in the morning though so I don’t pay too Much attention to it, but after 20 minutes it seems plenty warmed up. As far as the drip tray, probably like every few days. I kinda just empty it when I think about it, I don’t let it get full. As I’m sure youre aware you have to tilt the tray to remove it, so if basically you’re concerned it’ll overflow really quickly I wouldn’t be too worried, I haven’t had any issues personally.
Marc, congratulations for the beautiful and clear images! Seattle Coffee Gear is too dark!
Well thanks! So SCG is like that GOT episode? 😂
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage 😅🤣😂
I love my Profitec Pro 400 :)
Hi Volkan, thanks a whole latte for sharing your love!
Marc
i HAVE JUST ORDERED the ECM Max new version for 2023 cannot wait to get it Phil Australia.
Hey Phil that's awesome - a very powerful machine. Check out this video for how to use the very deep control of the machine: ua-cam.com/video/JiWUAA1kVP0/v-deo.html
Marc
You should try Frachino machine's, they are superb 👌
Thank you for the great Video!
Did you ever test the brand bellezza?
Hi J, You are welcome for the video! I have not tested Belleza machines.
Marc
I like the video but I’m curious why the Crem One HX wasn’t included in this list
Awesome! Been a huge help narrowing down the right machine for me. Looking at the PP400 and ECM Mechanika V Slim. The Profitec seems to have more to offer as of now/more consistent brew temp, still curious if you might do a head to head comparison video?
Hey j, thanks for the comment and question. Since making this video ECM released the Mechanika VI Slim. It has essentially the same features as the Pro 400 but with a larger boiler and some custom options like the beautiful Heritage Edition treatment: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ecm-mechanika-vi-slim-espresso-machine-heritage-line
Profitec and ECM are sister companies. Both machines are made at same production facility in Heidelberg, Germany
Here's a video with an in-depth look at the Mechanika VI Slim: ua-cam.com/video/rbgCU_hzyDc/v-deo.html
Hope that helps!
Marc
I need NSF equipment for my small business, bz13 seems like the choice for me.
Profitec Pro 500 is your most capable machine in WLL if you compare quality, craftmanship and reliability..... this HX is 10 of 10.
Hi FG, Thanks for sharing your opinion - a long time favorite of mine. Perfect intersection of all you mention and value for sure.
Marc
Hi Marc,
Great video. I am planning the upgrade from an appliance to a machine. I mostly enjoy a double espresso with a range of specialty coffee. I also make the occasional milk drink. Currently I am torn between the value for money propositions from the Profitec - GO, ECM Classika PID and Profitec Pro 500 with PID. I like the look of a E61 group but it's not a dealbreaker. What would you recommend to best suite my needs and the difference in cost?
Many thanks,
Lucas
Hey Lucas, If you don't do a lot of milk drinks then the ECM Classika PID with the E61 group equipped with flow control is the way to go. Flow control allows you to really work with those specialty coffees!: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/semi-automatic-espresso-machines/products/ecm-classika-pid-espresso-machine-with-flow-control
Right now there's $200 off the Classika at Whole Latte Love. Check the owner reviews at the listing above.
The GO is a good machine and value but doesn't have the finesse of the Classika. GO and Classika are single boiler machines so there's a wait for machine to come up to steaming temp for milk frothing. If you might be doing more milk drinks, then the Pro 500 has a much nicer workflow with no wait for steam, you can brew and froth simultaneously on the Pro 500.
Hope that helps!
Marc
Question Marc. I have a couple of your best save M anti scale filters. The fleece kind looks like a fabric side in them. Could I use them in my Rocket mozzafiato ? I usually use the other oaks but I found some laying around thanks.
Hi BP! yes, you can use the BestSave pad filters in reservoir of any machine.
Marc
I’ve been hoping for a head to head comparison between the Profitec Pro 400 and Lelit Mara X since they are both very similar compact machines with electronic boiler temperature adjustments, and the Lelit had been very popular in the past couple of years. Sadly you guys don’t carry it in your lineup.
I'm also interested in a head to head review.
Thanks for the detailed review. You touched on the difference of boilers but can you elaborate on the advantages/disadvantages of copper vs. Stainless Steel boilers?
In daily use, there is no difference in the handling of your machine that you could possibly notice.
But in the long run, over several years, stainless steel is better because minerals in the water would not corrode any copper in the brass material… (since there ain’t any ;-)
It is a _very_ German approach to have the safest material in place… Believe me, I am German and know how they are ticking ;-)
If you take care of your brass boiler machine on a regular basis (whereas many people simply don’t), you won’t have any difficulties with your brass boilers either. _Preemptive descaling_ is important in this context ;-)
Come on, take the German quality, you will not regret it…
Hi AGCS, Awesome - thanks for sharing in detail!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Hi, Marc, you are welcome and have a nice weekend… See you ;-)
copper can pit over time
Hi mark we are a household of 2 I’m curious what your recommendation would be. I like the pro 500 but I like the quick heat up time of the bz13 I also have 18 inches clearance to consider for my cabinets. Is the cup warming temperature something to be worried about? Is there a certain clearance amount you would want between the top of the machine and your cabinets to avoid heat damage? Thank you for your time and great video as always
Hi adam, You're welcome for the video. so the BZ13 is about 15"H and the Pro 500 about 16". I think heat damage is unlikely from either but might depend on cabinet material. Think the bigger issue is accessing the water reservoir from top of machine for filling. I don't have a good number for minimum distance other than I'd want to be able to easily access the water reservoir.
Hope that helps!
Marc
Hi Mark, any plans making it available in Canada the whole late love version of Bezzera with rosewood and color panels?
Thanks
Hi AS, Unfortunately there's a ban on importing rosewood to Canada.
Marc
Bezzera fanboy here. Nice to see the BZ13 comes with a bottomless portafilter - my matrix didn't 😓
Hey BZFB, Yes it is. We know many wanted bottomless in the box and worked with manufacturers to make it happen.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage great decision. I'm just glad they make an OEM one in rosewood and I was able to track it down!
Mark, super informative video, as usual. I am trying to decide between the Bezzera BZ13 and the Profitec 500. Here are my questions: Is there a difference between the copper boiler of the former and the stainless steel boiler of the latter? My Bezzera Hobby burned out its heating element after two years...are either of these models more reliable than the other? Does the internal heating element of the BZ add a potential reliability issue over the E61? Finally, if I get the Profitec, I'd likely want to buy an outlet timer to start the heating up in advance. Do you have an appliance grade outlet timer you recommend or are there particular specs for an outlet to make sure it can handle the Profitec? Thanks!
Hi Barry, thanks for the kind comment and question! Personally, I have no preference between boiler material types although stainless is less likely to get scale deposits but scale can be avoided in all types with proper water treatment. I like BWT water treatment products which exchange scale causing calcium in tap water with magnesium - that's preferable to traditional sodium based water softening. Sorry to hear about your Hobby element. In single boiler machines like the Hobby it's more likely to happen due to water quality issues and/or use issues like failing to cool down and refill the boiler after steaming. On HX boiler machines like the BZ13 and Pro 500 cool down and refill is not required so it's a more reliable design. I'd give a slight nod to the Pro 500 in terms of reliability. It's a simpler design than the BZ13 which has the group head heating and an additional solenoid valve for the group. That said, both are reliable units. I do not have a specific appliance grade timer I recommend. So many options out there. Just be sure to get one rated to handle the power requirements of the machine. A rating of 15amps covers either machine.
Hope that helps!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Mark, thanks for your quick reply. Helps a lot. One last question...are the two machines equally easy for DIY repairs and maintenance if necessary?
@@bpcohenphd NP! I'd say the Pro 500 is a little easier to DIY. But check out our support site. It's loaded with DIY videos and articles for both those machines and a whole latte more: support.wholelattelove.com/
Marc
Great video! Are any of these machines plumbable?
Hi JJ, Thanks for the comment and question. None of these HX boiler machines are plumbable. If seeking a plumbable HX boiler machine do check out the new Bezzera Aria: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bezzera-aria-pid-espresso-machine-with-flow-control
It's an excellent machine with many desirable features and a surprisingly low price compared to similar products. I'm working on an in-depth review of the Aria now.
Marc
Great video! I’m also considering the Bezarra Aria . How do you think it compares to these machines?
Hey a, Thanks for the kind words. Perfect timing! If you have not seen it I recently posted a very detailed overview of the Aria. It includes a look inside the machine with our lead machine tech: ua-cam.com/video/g-NiIZLtLDw/v-deo.html
I like the Aria! It's definitely in the same class as these machines and an excellent value.
Marc
Thank you so much for replying I’m just getting introduced to the espresso world and it’s definitely been an eye opener and I’ve gained a new appreciation for espresso
What size portafilter basket comes with the Profitec 400? And, if we change out to a bottom less portafilter from Profitec, does that also handle the same basket size as the one that came with the machine? Lastly, do you recommend one of those IMS screens as an upgrade to the included basket, or is the included screen perfectly fine? Thank you!
Hey T, Thanks for the questions!
Included filter baskets: They are listed as single 7g and double 14g. In reality max capacity is more like 9g and 18g depending on bean density. They are standard 58mm baskets.
The bottomless PF will handle both baskets which come with machine.
The included screen is fine. I do however like this IMS nanotech screen as it stays cleaner, is easier to clean and initial flow of water onto the coffee puck is more even www.wholelattelove.com/products/ims-nanotech-e61-shower-screen
Hope that helps!
Marc
No crem one HX ?
No love for the Izzo Vivi?
Didn‘t you have overheating problems with the Appartamento?
I read a lot about people having to cooling flush for 30-40 seconds. So I‘m a bit unsure..
Really appreciate your videos! Thanks a lot!😊
Hey LG, A cooling flush is generally required depending on time since last use. 30-40 seconds is crazy long! Usually more like 4-10 seconds. That's typical of machines like the Appartamento with heat-exchange boiler and pressurestat temp control. HX boiler machines with PID temp control usually require less flushing. When you do the flush observe water coming from the group. Flush until water coming from group is no longer bubbly (flash boiling) and flow smooths out. That'll get you a good temp for a lighter roast coffee. If brewing dark roast let the flush go a few seconds longer for a cooler brew temp.
Hope that helps!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Hey Marc,
thanks a lot for the quick answer - really appreciate it!
So from your experience 4-10 seconds cooling flush are enough after let‘s say 30 minutes of sitting idle? That would absolutely be acceptable. Just 30-40s is crazy long and such a waste of water. Got confused by some reports online.
Whats the boiler pressure / high point your machines are set to? Did you need to adjust them?
Again, thank‘s a lot, really love your content!😊
Philip
@@lemongraz7295 You're welcome! We do not adjust the pressurestat (boiler pressure) on Appartamentos. It's been awhile since I've used one but as I recall boiler pressure at idle is round 1.1 - 1.2 bar. Just flush till flow from the group is smooth.
Marc
HI, what is the grinder pictured with the Slim? Thanks !
Hi there. The grinder in question is the Eureka Oro Mignon SD.
www.wholelattelove.com/products/eureka-oro-mignon-single-dose-grinder-chrome
--BRYAN
Great video. I had a Crem One that I had sent back by UPS for warranty service. The package was damaged, UPS picked it up and LOST it. I am now being reimbursed by UPS. I see that the Crem One is out of stock and Profitec Pro 500 is tempting. Would that be comparable to the Crem One hx pid?
Hi Karen, Pro 500 is tempting! Sorry to hear about your Crem! The Crem was plumbable the Pro 500 is not. If it's not to late you might have a look at the Bezzera Aria. It's a plumbable, rotary pump, PID, HX boiler machine with flow control at a very similar price: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bezzera-aria-pid-espresso-machine-with-flow-control
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage I ended up buying the ECM MechaniKa VI after watching you video review. Not as many features but I love it.
Good choice a very nice machine!
Marc
I don't see the link for the 25-year anniversary contest in the description.
Here it is: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/sale
How long does the Profitec 400 take to heat up ready to use?
Hi Lee, thanks for the question. Allow about 20 minutes for full warm up.
Marc
Hey Mark, looking to buy an expresso machine, can’t decide between profitec pro 500 and bezzera aria, which one do you sugest, thanks
Hey Jason, I've been evaluating the Aria for ~6 weeks and have a video coming in a week or so on the machine. I've been using this Aria: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bezzera-aria-pid-espresso-machine-with-flow-control-red
It's the rotary pump, plumbable, PID, w/flow control version we carry. Depending on where you purchase it may be equipped differently. It's about $200 more than the Pro 500 but a great value for a rotary pump plumbable machine. Pro 500 is not plumbable and uses a vibration pump. Capabilities and potential espresso quality are similar between the machines. If you want to plumb your machine the Aria is the only choice. I like its lever operated joystick valves, wire style drip tray top and rotary pump. With all that, it's worth the higher price. Hope that helps!
Marc
Looking at the same two machines.
Looking forward to the video.
@@stuartschwartz234 I bought the bezzera aria and i love it
Marc do you sell the Rocket R Nine One machine please?
Hi b, We do not.
So which one is the best out of the five. Thanks
Hi MB, "Best" is subjective depending on what features/qualities are important to you. My favorite of the bunch is the Pro 500 PID.
Marc
The Profitec Pro 500 2022 model is only available at WLL?
Hi HN, The Pro 500 with visible PID/shot timer is exclusive to us.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thank you! ☺️☺️
Hi Marc, what happened to the ECM Technica Profi V PID?
Hey Mark, Only 5 slots in the video and kept our selections in lower price range this year. No doubt the Technika is a classy machine! Perhaps the finest HX boiler prosumer level machine available.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage thanks Marc, always appreciate your genuine responses 👍
what is the heat up time for each machine
Hi HK, For the machines with E61 groups allow ~20 minutes for full warmup. The Bezzera BZ13 DE in the video has a heating element in the group head so it's ready to go in 10-15 minutes. If you'd like a machine all heated and waiting you can use appliance grade outlet timers to turn them on ahead of time.
Marc
Those are admittedly basic HX models, let's do upper class review of the likes of ECM Technika V Pro PID, Rocket Mozza Chrono R, etc... PID controlled HX machines with rotary pumps. That would be rad! Thank you :-)
Yes please. Keen on the Technika V Pro, I heard fantastic feedback from many owners. My dream machine :)
Hey DB, Those are high end HX! Had both in past years - exceptional machines!
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage I am a happy owner of the latest ECM Technika PID, IMO the best and nicest looking pro-HX machine on the market today :) Rocket and Bezzera come close second and third for me. Keep up the good work!
Drazen what machine do you own ?
@@woosha10 Pls read the comments.
Can you make a video showing the espresso machine that can make multiple drinks for a crowd of 10 or more? Plumbed and not plumbed..
Hi m, I already have - It's this video. A dual boiler machine is what you want for that level of service.
Marc
@@Wholelattelovepage Thank You
hi marc, im planning to buy some espresso machine and coffee grinder im from the philippines province of siquijor.
looking for ecm synchronika and anfim . thanks.
hope some of your sales team can beep m up.
Hi Mc, Unfortunately we only ship to US/Canada ☹️
Marc
What about lelit mara x?
Such a small footprint and amazing machine agree!
Worth the Pro500 vs 400?
Hi dc, Thanks for the question. Both are excellent HX boiler machines. The Pro 500 has degree by degree control of boiler temperature while the Pro 400 operates in ranges. Most users probably go with the lower temp range for darker roasts, the middle setting for lighter roasts and kick to the high setting for extra steam power then return the setting to one appropriate for the roast level of their coffee. If you're the type that likes tighter control then the Pro 500 is worth it. If you're likely to use the same coffee all the time and probably will not play with temps all that much then the Pro 400 is less expensive. Hope that helps!
Marc
Please mention where each machine is made
Hi DC, Rocket and Bezzera in Italy. ECM and Profitec Germany. That info and more in compare link I mentioned.
Marc
Dear David, pretty much all machines Marc is recommending are from Germany ;-)
Once you are owning an ECM or Profitec, you will know why…
My _ECM Synchronika_ is a “life-changing experience” for several months by now ;-)
Such a pleasure…
A dual boiler machine is a way to go. Way better than heat exchangers IMO.
Hi Ncc, DB's do have advantages for sure. HX in good hands close for le$$
Marc
How about dual boilers AND HX?
Combine these two design principals and make sure that you have a PID, - this is _much_ more important ;-)
Profitec Pro 300
Kind of sad that Profitec and Bezzera don't have as much of an interest selling their products outside of America. Not wholly unsurprising that even in a industry where European countries produce some of the better products, the people living there somehow get the shaft. Kind of used to it by now, but no less disappointing to constantly hear.
Where is Tod? i use to be in all you videos :(?
Hey C, He's still here. He has other duties but you'll still see him in new content now and then. He tends to appear more in or DIY service videos. I'll let him know he's missed a bit!
Marc
none of these are cheaper than some of the entry level double boiler
Check out the Bezzera BZ13 currently $1549 www.wholelattelove.com/products/bezzera-bz13-pm Also in our list for 2023 ua-cam.com/video/Oe15ZFi5IhI/v-deo.html
Marc