Thank you John Salt for the review. Regarding the problems you mentioned, we checked with the factory，We realize this one you got is a test version given to us by the factory, sorry, we did not carefully check the quality of this one，We re-checked the E180 we are now selling to make sure that none of these problems occurred.. We are really sorry for the misdirection brought to you guys
@ Banggood RC - Thanks for taking the time to clarify it was a "test" unit and not fully QC'ed before shipping out. I'll add this important information in the description. 👍
@@ScottGraham No - presuming your definition of copy is clone (ie. parts close to 100% interchangeable) which they clearly are not. The E180 is a completely different helicopter & design, not a single interchangeable part between it or the M2 beside some screws that are the same size. If your definition of copy is "using the same technology" (direct drive); then yes. With that reasoning however, the OMP M2 is a copy of the SAB Mini Comet & Fireball, and SAB copied the Hitec/Multiplex Funcopter from a decade ago.
I bought this helicopter recently. As a buyer, I appreciate the fact that you and Banggood followed up on John's review and made the appropriate adjustments.
Man, I consider Eachine a good brand and when you took that head apart and showed all the loose stuff, stuff installed backwards, no oil/grease, etc that's shocking. Reminds me of my Walmart gravel bike where not a single thing was torqued down at all or adjusted right (including the brakes) and was essentially a death trap. You ain't kidding about taking apart RTF stuff right away to inspect it!! Edit: Just realized this was a testing unit with no QC, but still...
Thank you so much for your view on this helicopter. I ordered one and really like the performance of this little helicopter. I was checking to see if anyone that you know has had problem ordering and receiving parts for this helicopter. When I ordered the helicopter it was on back order and took a while to receive, and if I order parts they are also on back order and sometimes they have canceled the orders due to taking so long for the parts to be shipped. My 180 has been down, due to the difficulty of ordering parts and receiving them because of back ordering issues.
Fantastic channel! Just subbed & bought your e-book. In just 2 of your YT videos & a glance of your e-book, my whole RC heli mindset has done a 180. I have 2 Nano S3's and a Blade 230S V2. The B230 has been a bear and after watching your vids, I'm convinced my NX 10 is not set properly. I just re-entered the hobby after a 13 year hiatus so I'm almost starting back at scratch. Everything went to DSM, I left during the 72Mhz era. Plus many other changes of course. Definitely watching your channel and I see a couple of helis I like which I'll get when I get more proficient with what I already have..
I have a blade 700 that needs some air time. It has been in storage. I think this 180 is perfect for shaking off the cobwebs. Thanks for the great review! Also, I am not a seasoned heli vet. Some of your normal practice in heli prep was very welcomed.
Wow. Speaking of eachine 180 I actually want one. It looks a solid Running heli. I would an OMP even more I am strapped for for cash so this will suffice. I got a massive project in a few days I have to put the Align trex 650x you talk about bright neon canopy the 650 John Is gorgeous that's why I got it. Anyway your review of this machine 180 beautiful. I really want one so bad awesome video
Awesome review thanks for taking the time to create it!...I just got an e180 and I'm really happy with it... I'm not an experienced heli pilot but a beginner to intermediate one... So far I love the way it flies and looks!...I didn't find any of the issues you pointed out with yours, but I did check them all! Thumbs-up for your video! Greetings from Douglas, Arizona 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾🌵🦠😷🇵🇷 Like#748
Thanks for taking the time to comment & confirm your E180 didn't have any of those QC issues. As confirmed by both Banggood & others, I just got a bad one. Glad you are happy with yours.
This is an aspirational heli for me. I'm building skills and knowledge on a pair of XK110's. I think I need to have the skill before I deserve a beauty like this...
Feel free to comment back any interesting assembly quirks. I'm personally curious if I'm just a magnet for these types of problems and live Murphy's law every day, or if they are more wide spread. 🙂
I just picked up the BNF version. Took apart the head and all parts were bone dry. Reassembly was done with red grease for GM cars, lol. After the greasy festival, I used light weight lube for the swashplate and other little parts. BTW, the blades were soo tight and that was fixed. I do need to use locktite on head assembly, I had to test before hand. AND it seems to be awesome! More to come....
And thanks again for your review. You, my friend are truly an asset to this hobby. I have learned soo much. BTW, have you checked out the Eachine E150? This lil devil WAS great till it wasn't. I do have a video. But after purchasing my own repair part, the ESC, which was faulty ( 1 of the electrical post for the main motor was loose, needed to be soldered ), I was airborn again....
@eric coker - I've actually had an E150 sitting on the shelf for the past 2 going on 3 months to review. The review is actually all finished except the flying portion. The ESC as well went up in a puff of smoke in the first 30 seconds of the first flight. Trying to get a replacement ESC for it has been murder here in Canada. Not sure if it's due to the chip shortage or something else? BG has put an order in for me direct from Eachine, but I have still not seen a thing. For the first 30 seconds however, like you mentioned, it was pretty impressive from the little bit of air time I had on it. Not enough air time to tell if it was up to the M1's amazing feel.
@@Rchelicopterfun I actually had a few flights, mostly 6G mode and out the box it was #1 with the XK K100 right behind it with the 6G stability, they both hovered like it had GPS. And the same held true for agility mode on both... All my Blade helis left alot to be desired in 6G mode, 230s (even with forward programming) still drifts slightly backwards. The Nano S3 and Mcpxbl2 all drift forwards in stability mode. BUT in agility mode with everything checked and adjusted, they fly good. Point being, BLADE HELIS are solid in the electronics area in stability mode even if the smaller models have alot slop with blade grips and swashplates.
I finally got the E150 working good, actually just as rock solid as the E180. I followed your E180 process with regards to the head assembly on the E150. I also purchased the flight control shock absorber! 4 dollars for a similar mount with the added dual sided sticky foam. I guess it absorbs vibration. And its works.
Pretty much all the smaller (under 250 size) brushless direct drive fixed pitch tail rotor helis on the market these days have excellent tail hold and authority. You can still pick up on very slight acceleration thrust delays, but it's worlds apart from what it used to be like with brushed or coreless tail motors.
John. Mine was all good across the rotor head in terms of assembly and loctite - absolutely zero play in the follower arms. I did go for a blue loctite on the black follower arms bolts. I disassembled it all to have a close look at the bearings etc in the follower arms Feathering shaft loctited both ends and no issues with back to front bearings but no lube either. My M2 was dry in the blade grips as well I did not find a single fault with assembly across every screw. My sole assembly criticism was the main blades where snugged down to tight
It's great to see the direct drive motor going into more machines. Say Goodbye to bags full of Delrin drive gears. Makes me wonder about how big you could go with a direct drive system... I ,for one, love a big can ;)
Yes, good question on max size of a direct drive arrangement. Largest so far is a 300 (Goblin Mini Comet & Fireball), because more torque is needed at lower head speeds the larger we go. Perhaps smaller lightweight built in or shaft mounted planetary gear sets could be utilized?
@@Rchelicopterfun I guess it's just down to motor size and design limitations. Gearing would mean it's not direct drive anymore, right? The motor would have to have enough torque to turn the mast and at that point, probably a belt driven tail. Great idea though. I love the thought of a all in one motor and transmission.
months ago I visited a small company that makes industrial drones. Founder showed me a prototype direct drive helicopter that he made. I cannot say much information cause it's kind of secret, but what I can say is it was using 600 size blades.(huge) I heard it had first test flight few days ago.
Great Video! I am trying to set this heli up with spektrum. What are, for a beginner- very tamed mode, the settings that you would recommend in normal mode for throttle and pitch curves?
thanks. good presentation. i was encouraged to see a LOWER head speed option and main blades that are not extra Massive. i gave up on cp helis bc of the ridiculously high head speed; and on fp flybarless, because of the Fat blades. cheers
You can set lower head speeds on pretty much any collective pitch RC helicopter with your throttle curves or governed speeds. All depends how you want it to fly and how much rotor energy you want.
Experience is the best teacher that simple takes time to acquire; however, I do cover many RC helicopter tips I've gained over the decades in my ebooks; specifically the setup & tips one: www.rchelicopterfun.com/rc-helicopter-tips.html
Perhaps you are hearing the tail rotor? On these direct drive helis, you really hear the tail rotor screaming because there is no main shaft gear whine to mask it.
Hey John! 🌈 You might remember my e150 esc pooped the bed. Very hard to get hold of one :( D’you know if the e180 esc is the same? (or any 3rd party esc for that matter) Thanks buddy! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@Aariz Mushtaq - any decent collective pitch RC helicopter paired with a computerized radio can be a good trainer with a tame learning to fly setup & training gear fit. The E180 or E150 can both be equally as good for learning on. The general rule of thumb is the "bigger the better". That comes with the caveat that it's not too big for your flying area (if you have a small area, stick with a smaller heli); you can legally fly it in your area (many over 250g restrictions now); and you can afford the price increase (both in parts & LiPo's). Also, the bigger the heli, the more damage that occurs during a crash due to increased mass & energy release so that has to be considered as well. I cover all these basic RC heli fundamentals of choosing your first heli in much more detail on my Best RC Helicopter page on my website: www.rchelicopterfun.com/best-rc-helicopter.html
The radio menu is the same as that of the xk 110 and k130 the x6 of XK PENCER YOU WHO IS POSSIBLE TO USE THE Xk X6 RADIO of the k 110 for this helicopter??
Awesome review I just received the E180 and found your video extremely informative.. I was wondering what you would use to lube the main shaft and thrust bearings on this heli. I'm getting back into RC and this is new to me.... Thanks
@Rome - I cover recommended lubrication points & types to use in my Setup & Tips ebook in the Helicopter Maintenance chapter if you happen to have that ebook. If not, on a small 200 size heli like the E180, main shaft would get a light weight oil, thrust bearings a light weight grease.
. Im looking forward to your heli series ebooks will be ordering them very soon.. I love getting to know the in's-and-out's of RC. Thanks for the advice
Hey John, good review. I'm like you with the wash out arm, don't like it. On my E160 the brass bushing in the wash out arm worn thin quickly and produced a ton of slop eventually causing the main rotor to lag (bind up enough) behind the tail causing a crash. That was after 70 flights with mild 3d. Now I can't get the wash out arm parts. The dreaded crash and wait forever! :(
It's an Align digital gauge, but there are other no-name ones of the same design. I link to one such example on my RC helicopters tool page on my website: www.rchelicopterfun.com/rc-helicopter-tools.html It's the first tool listed on that page.
It accepts SBUS so as long as one of those radio brands you have also has an available micro SBUS receiver (6ch or better) it will work. If they don't it won't. I'm pretty sure there are micro SBUS RX's out there for pretty much every radio brand under the sun, but since I have no experience with either Jeti or FlySky, I can't give a 100% confirmation.
Hi John, nice review on the E180. I prefer my M1 and M2 and my setup on those too are quite aggressive also. I’m finally getting on how the setup goes with my TX16S tho my is running on EdgeTx. Out of curiosity, would you share your otx file on your E180? I just want to load it in my PC so I can learn how you setup your HELI with all in one unit. It’s just a curiosity how you setup the low rate and high rate on the E180. I tend to go back and forth with all my setup so I can learn all the switch assignments as well. Thanks John
@scrc511 - Don't want to open the file sharing can of worms - did it once and it was an endless hassle. Besides, it's the exact same OpenTX template I use for all my collective pitch helicopters which I cover in depth in my OpenTX for helicopters video: ua-cam.com/video/XdFOndPG7xo/v-deo.html
@@Rchelicopterfun Understood. Thanks John, I saved the vid link you sent me pretty much how I was doing before, I will probably be watching it again to get a better idea as far as setting up the d/r and switch assignments. This vid was an old reference on how to setup OpenTx, I do mine now a little bit differently as far as setting up for helicopters. But your video has always been very informative, and I love how you go into depth details. Thank you so much again John.
Great review as always!! I just recently picked up a Jumper T16 and I have an old HK450 that I brought back to life, and was wondering if you would ever consider making a video on setting up a flybar heli in Opentx?? There isn't much out here on the subject. I have an xk k110 that I have set up on the Jumper, and have set up the HK in the Flysky FS-i6, but would like to set it up with the T16. I purchased a couple of your Ebooks a while back and have learned a lot from them. Thanks again for the review of the E180, and your consideration to my request.
@KThrash - I'll consider doing something like that with OpenTX; I'll have to look at the internet search volume to see if it's worthwhile. It's not just flybars, it would also apply to any FBL system that doesn't do the electronic swash mixing internally such as the original Align 3G and 3GX units. Mechanical CCPM mixed helicopters however with flybars would be setup the same in OpenTX as they would be for a FBL heli with internal FBL electronic mixing. Of course, that's not what the flybared HK450 uses, it uses 120 degree eCCPM mixing. With all that said, have you already studied the heli setup section in OpenTX University's web site? That site is what I used (and still reference often) when I got into OpenTX and I use their exact helicopter foundation for all my helicopters (flybar & flybarless, mechanical and electronically mixed). They clearly layout what's involved in setting up a flybared eCCPM helicopter in their helicopter section.
@@Rchelicopterfun thank you sir! Yes I have looked at Opentx U, and I will look at it again and see if I can figure it out, I'm just more of a visual kind of guy, and thought if a guy such as yourself had a video that I could follow along with such as I did watching your xk k110 video, made it real simple to follow and easy to understand. Thanks for the advice!!
If you have my setup & tips ebook, I have a fairly extensive section in the heli maintenance section of that eBook on lubrication. Thrust bearings I use general purpose bearing grease.
You didn't like the USB charger (quite understandable give the high cell voltage) but you trust that cheap cell voltage tester? Have you verified how accurate that cell volt meter is against an accurate multimeter? Keep the great rc reviews. Cheers!
Of course I have checked them, and I most certainly "trust" their readings. I've got a half dozen or so of those AOK LiPo cell voltage testers from Buddy RC: www.buddyrc.com/products/aok-digital-battery-meter?ref=-ptdbz6d-llb&variant=30735566405718 It's nice to have several so they are always handy. I usually have at least two my field box, and others lying around the work bench, charging stations, basically everywhere I need to test LiPo's or LiFe's. Every single one is bang on to what my Fluke multimeters show for open circuit voltage. Those little AOK's of course have one less decimal place resolution than my Fluke or other quality 4000 and higher count DMM's, but they always round up or down the second place well. I use them because they are super convenient, small, easy to read, and easy to check the voltage of each cell. Been using them years and they work a treat and I will continue to use them because they are accurate and "cheap". I'm personally not keen on dragging a large expensive DMM out to the flying field to have it stolen.
Hello. I'm into fpv drones, so I have a flysky Nirvana radio and an elrs module. Can i find a similar small heli with a compatible receiver? I see, this one has S-BUS, so i can feasably run elrs with it? But then, how do I get telemetry from this thing?
Hey John seen a few reviews on the Eachine's and XK's and yours are definitely the most informative and honest. So I value your opinion over all the others. I want to get my first collective pitch heli I've flown before but not collective. The price of this RTF with 4 batteries is currently really really good for me in the UK around £230. The e160 is £160 and the XK K110 is £100 but out of stock for a while. Question is do I really tame down the e180 and buy that over the others? I will not be trying 3d I'll be sport flying it. Being bigger it's the one I want to go for but I'm worried it's just too much! But cost and value wise it's looking the best I think 🤔 Cheers and keep up the great work
Hi Darren, best to contact me direct on my website so I can give your question the time & detail it requires. To quickly respond however, yes the E180 can be tamed right down into a nice trainer to learn on just like any CP heli can. As to if you want to start on a heli like this over a smaller micro CP bird is up to your specific expectations. Primarily do you want something that will almost always survive a mishap, over one that has a much greater energy release potential and therefore possibility of more crash damage. Also take your flying area into account, do you have the room for a 200 size heli? Feel free to fire me an email via the contact page on my site if you want to cover this in more depth: www.rchelicopterfun.com/contact.html Cheers :)
Hey what did you decide? I restarted this Hobby after 8 years break. I really really appreciated johns advice. First i got the xk k110 and then a second one. You dont want to be grounded so long. They are so cheap. Now I am up the the omphobby M1. Love to fly i the field or park or even garden. Anything bigger is restricted with over 250g laws and needs to be flown way out. Sucks if you wanna give it a quick spin. I recommend Banggood. Takes a while, but cheap. Otherwise we even have an amazon prime dealer selling the M1 and spares hardly more expensive than BG. The dealer Flish on Aliexpress offers M1 parts with 10 day delivery really cheap.
Hola, gracias a tus videos adquirí un alzrc devil 505, del que estoy enamorado😍 y ahora he pedido con tu cupón el eachine e180, espero poder disfrutarlo y programarlo con mi radiomaster tx16s. Un saludo y gracias por tus artículos así como por compartir tus conocimientos. Por cierto ¿sabes si hay algún video o archivo de openTx para la programación del e180? Por cierto yo utilizo baterías de CHNL, estoy muy contento con ellas, lo digo por si te pueden llegar a Canadá, recuerdo que comentaste que tenías problemas con la importación. Un saludo👌😁 Hello, thanks to your videos I acquired an alzrc devil 505, which I am in love with😍 and now I have ordered the eachine e180 with your coupon, I hope I can enjoy it and program it with my radiomaster tx16s. Greetings and thanks for your articles as well as for sharing your knowledge. By the way, do you know if there is any openTx video or file for programming the e180? By the way I use CHNL batteries, I am very happy with them, I say this in case they can reach Canada, I remember you commented that you had problems with the import. Greetings👌😁
How does this compare with the Blade 230? This ones seems it has higher quality parts, aka aluminum as it appears compared with plastic for the Blade. Looking to finally move up to a CP Heli and want and trying to decide. Great video btw, thx!
@ Ron Steurer The Blade is slightly larger and doesn't use a direct drive main shaft motor which is the single biggest difference between the two. Nothing wrong with plastic parts by the way on entry level CP helicopters. They weigh less and act as mechanical fuses when you crash which goes a long way to save servos, shafts, and other more costly components. Plastic replacement parts also cost less. In terms of quality, the E180 is decent, but the OMP Hobby M2 would be my pick if build & component quality are your primary considerations. If after sales & local hobby shop support is your primary consideration, it's hard to beat any Horizon Hobby Blade products because they are carried at so many hobby shops world wide.
@tommycruz100 - yes it will, no problem. Uses the same Futaba S-FHSS protocol; in fact, the E6 radio is essentially the same radio as the X6 with just a few external cosmetic differences.
When it comes to RC helicopters the best one is the one that has the best availability of spare parts that are easy to get. So get what is available and supported in your local hobby shop.
Exactly as I state on my best RC helicopter page: www.rchelicopterfun.com/best-rc-helicopter.html "Parts Availability - The Best RC Helicopter Deal Breaker! Yes, no matter how careful or good you are, you will need parts; either for repairs or maintenance. This is something that many people don't consider when making their first RC helicopter purchase, but you soon find out how important it is. If you can’t get parts or it takes many weeks or months to get parts, your helicopter is nothing more than a static model - very frustrating. This again (as I have touched on numerous times already), is where getting into popular name brands or clones of name brands pays big dividends. The more hobby shops or online shops that carry your specific brand, the easier it will be getting parts from any source. More aftermarket parts are available as well with the big name birds, which can be very advantageous for customizing or finding a part that the dealer doesn't carry anymore. Resale value & desirability are also going to be much better on most name brand heli gear so that is also something to take into consideration. I always recommend if you have a decent local hobby shop (LHS), pay them a visit first and find out what brand/s they carry. Being able to run down to the LHS when you need a part or two will save you a lot of time & money over the years in shipping costs if you have to have parts shipped to you. Naturally if you have no LHS, or one that is not RC helicopter knowledgeable, that point is moot." For many folks around the world & in remote locations, that last sentence applies.
Good video, as always very informative. At 18.20 : "Way over charged". Really? LiPo batteries must be quite the fuzz pots, real prim-a-donnas. Four hundreds of a volt high, is over charged?
Really - very much so. Termination voltage is critical in their life expectancy and has a direct correlation. Lots of studies have been done in the cell phone industry on this and even in our hobby over the past decade +. Many even consider 4.2V too high and will limit their chargers to 4.18 or even a bit lower. 4.15 if you really want to play it safe. Also depends on other factors of course - amount of time left in that overcharged state & ambient temperature, a for example.
@@Rchelicopterfun. Thank you for that clarification, John. Very much appreciated. Me being an old nitro modeler, trying to wrap my head around all this electrical stuff. We did not have these worries with glow plug engines :-) . By the way, the M2 V2 (bought after watching your review some time ago) is up and flying. Greetings from Surrey, BC
@Steve Snoen - Yep, there is much more to LiPo care than most first realize; I even state something similar on my LiPo battery care page on my website - the single longest article I have on my entire site: www.rchelicopterfun.com/lipo-batteries.html So much to cover... To be honest, with these little inexpensive $20 LiPo packs, most don't care if they are not treading them with the "prim-a-donna" care they need for maximum life expectancy, but once you are into bigger machines where you are shelling out $150 plus for a single battery pack, you quickly learn how expensive it can get when you don't treat them with the care they need. I'm perhaps overly sensitive to this because I destroyed a $250 Thunder Power LiPo in my first big electric heli the very first time I flew it, after years of flying nitro. After a single costly mistake like that, you very quickly learn anything & everything you can about LiPo care. Over a decade later, I'm still learning 🙂
What do you do if the screw in the head axle is stripped? (not the threads, the end of the screw where the hex screw driver goes in. It was stripped out when I got it and I can't disassemble the head)
I cover various methods of removing rounded out (cammed out) fasteners in my Setup & Tips for RC Helicopter eBook in chapter 11 (pg's 145 to 148) if you have that eBook. Likely have to drill the head off the fastener and replace the head axle, but you could try one of the other methods as well. Really depends how badly it's rounded/cammed out and how strong the loctite is.
@@Rchelicopterfun I just checked out your website. I really appreciate all the help you provide John and would love to support you. Do one of the ebooks cover maintenance for 3D Helis specifically 180 size? Like what to oil, grease, loctite, change out, etc over a period of time? One guy I saw suggested yearly maintenance...
No idea. All I can say is if your TX uses Futaba's S-FHSS protocol, has a minimum of 6 channels along with heli programming (pitch & throttle curves etc.) then yes it should work.
If setup for learning on, no more difficult than any similar collective pitch heli in this size segment. If not setup for learning - very difficult for a beginner. Also depends on your definition of "beginner". Any heli flying experience with fixed pitch for example or even previous RC experience? My page on choosing the best RC helicopter on my site covers this in much more detail: www.rchelicopterfun.com/best-rc-helicopter.html
The OMP M2 and very likely the E180 will auto. It takes skill and there is little energy left in the rotor (like any small heli), but it can be done. The direct drive motor freewheels quite easily in both.
@@Rchelicopterfun the competition motor for the goblin has some wicked magnets in it,I would say I have about 2 seconds max from throttle hold,until the blades stop.keep I. Mind,the 280 fireball with that motor,has a 5,000 rpm headspeed!!! Also runs off of 6s.
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Recently got my E180. I noticed some play in the feathering shaft. Tightened that and did some loctite on the threads. Nontheless a very nice heli! Which exact curves did you program on OpenTX? I used 0 for light flying, 40 for some light 3D and 80 for some real smackdown. Did you notice any headspeed changes above Otx Scale +80? I did not. Great Video, John!
Curve values are meaningless due to mechanical variation in the heli along with output values in the radio. You must use a gauge when setting up your collective range with any CP heli and I stated the power output and collective ranges used in my 3 flight modes. I found 90% channel outputs is where it maxed 🙂
I need help (and so does my heli lol), i can not calibrate the gyro to stop drift, found a video that says to hold back the elevator for 4 seconds to put it into calibration mode (fast flashing red led) but it dose not work, my red led stays flashing slowly (around 1 second flashes) and does not change. I am not able to find a led status indicator key for this heli either so im not even sure if my red led should be flashing red at 1 second intervals? i have tried rebinding and it stays the same. I am using the TX16s transmitter. If you can help it would be amazing, i have spend hours trawling the web for answers but have come up with nothing, please help (:
Hi Chris. I have a link in the description. Here's the link to the e-book page listing all of them if you're interested: www.rchelicopterfun.com/rc-helicopter-e-books.html You can access the setup & tips e-book from that page of course - cheers :)
I suppose if you gut it and spend more than the heli is worth on a GPS system (if you even find one that fits and works). Of course the question is why would anyone want to?
@@Rchelicopterfun Well, why does anyone want a heli with GPS? With all the modularity and plug and play electronics available in RC these days, I just wondered what would be involved in trying it. Thanks.
John, I heard you mention in past videos you are restricted on flying anything over 250grams. Is that a province law or Canada whole? I am considering moving and retiring in Canada either BC or Alberta and enjoying this hobby. I have duel US/Canadian citizen ship . Your site got me into this hobby over 10 years ago .
@zmanphx - Transport Canada's RPAS (remote piloted aerial systems) restrictions & regulations are country wide, not provincial. If you become a MAAC member (our version of your AMA), and fly at a MAAC location with traditional line of sight RC aircraft (no drones or FPV, which brought about all this BS in the first place), you are exempt from all of Transport Canada's RPAS heavy handed regulation. You must of course follow MAAC's rules which we have been doing for years and why MAAC is exempt from TC's RC regulations because of their exemplary safety record. Of course if you are in a very rural area/large private field with no-one around and are not flying in controlled airspace (ie. class G airspace), you don't have much to worry about, but you would do so at your own risk if you were ever reported.
@@Rchelicopterfun the U.S has more idiot RC flyers who ruined the hobby for 99% of us who practice common sense. That link you reference has it divided by weight class and commercial use and hobbyist. We are mostly fine for under 55lbs. and non commercial use. I fly at large soccer field on weekend. We have large areas of farm land, but don't want to piss off the farmers, even though they don't own the air space.
@zmanphx Good to know; I guess some common sense (on the FAA's side) has prevailed. Do you know what ever happened to their "RC aircraft transponder idea"? Around this time last year, I was hearing from many of my US visitors to my site along with a podcast interview I was invited to on Skids Up, that the FAA was also looking into having all RC aircraft carry individual aviation transponders, just like full size so they could all be tracked and identified. Hoping common sense prevailed and that idea has been filed in the G pile 🙂 Yep, for decades traditional line of sight RC aviation has been very safe and common sense was followed by pretty much everyone, but all that has been undermined and we know which segment of the RC flying population is mostly responsible for this. It's the primary reason why MAAC up here was able to get exemption status from all the Transport Canada RC regulation nonsense - their decades of airplane, helicopter & glider line of sight flying safety record. I personally haven't been able to fly any of my larger machines for 7 months now since the private field I was flying at has new ownership that won't allow me to fly there anymore because of "drone fear". I'm now involved in the lengthy & complicated process of getting a MAAC recognized field in our area. 3 months into it & still no idea how it will play out.
How so? Full carbon fiber frame, CNC machined parts, a costly large diameter high torque out runner, 3 digital metal geared servos, good & adaptable FBL system with built in S-FHSS RX, high current 3s power system. What other direct drive 200 size collective pitch heli option is on the market with similar specs and has as good performance for less than the E180? None. I was hoping the E180 might be a little less considering the M2 EXP is not much more and is a better helicopter; but the E180 is certainly not what I would classify as "crazy" pricing for the given package.
This is the main reason that ANY rc kit I get road or air. I disassemble it and rebuild it. Then I know its done "right". And if anything goes wrong its my fault.
I think as long as spares are available, it's good enough. If you receive defective heli, or missing parts, just contact banggood, ebay, or any other place where you bought it..so what kind of support are you talking about?
@@pikapikacool two reasons first see the company responding to to this video and second you obviously haven’t had any dealings with buddy Rc. Those who know will laugh at these comments
@@FASTFREDDIE-R.C. i see banggood responding to this video, because they're the one sending him the heli..so you mean why not eachine responding? I get that, I think maybe because they're just a small chinese local company..but as far as i know eachine updated their e160 to version 2, so maybe they listened to issues about their products..other than that, they're just producing cheap toy level rc's so maybe they think it's not important to update it..i don't know about this buddy rc you're talking about though..
@@FASTFREDDIE-R.C. well to be fair, i have ordered from banggood delivered to my doorstep in 4 days..and from ebay seller in usa usually 4-5 weeks using ems, usps..so it depends on where you live..for the reviewer, this guy in the video did, he said bad things about this heli, the twitching connecting rods, screws not locktited, lack of grease, bearings assembled inside out, crap chargers..and he said it's not a really good cheaper option compared to the omp hobby because it's only 10 dollars cheaper..but of course to be a fair reviewer he had to said something good if it's good..i'm not trying to defend eachine, i think they're crap too..and better to keep producing cheap toy level rc, for the price, they were pretty good..but for higher end hobby level rc, i think they're not there yet in terms of quality, customer service, etc..so can't really compared them to traxxas, arma, or other bigger rc companies..
Thank you John Salt for the review. Regarding the problems you mentioned, we checked with the factory，We realize this one you got is a test version given to us by the factory, sorry, we did not carefully check the quality of this one，We re-checked the E180 we are now selling to make sure that none of these problems occurred.. We are really sorry for the misdirection brought to you guys
@ Banggood RC - Thanks for taking the time to clarify it was a "test" unit and not fully QC'ed before shipping out. I'll add this important information in the description. 👍
Is this helicopter a copy of the OMP M2?
@@ScottGraham No - presuming your definition of copy is clone (ie. parts close to 100% interchangeable) which they clearly are not. The E180 is a completely different helicopter & design, not a single interchangeable part between it or the M2 beside some screws that are the same size. If your definition of copy is "using the same technology" (direct drive); then yes. With that reasoning however, the OMP M2 is a copy of the SAB Mini Comet & Fireball, and SAB copied the Hitec/Multiplex Funcopter from a decade ago.
I bought this helicopter recently. As a buyer, I appreciate the fact that you and Banggood followed up on John's review and made the appropriate adjustments.
This isn’t even my hobby. I was just impressed by the honesty and thoroughness of your review.
He seems to be pretty salty tho 🤣
John, You have the best reviews and influences my buying decisions on rc products. Great review as always!
Thanks much - glad you like them :)
I'm amazed how far the heli hobby has come. Gyro this, computer that,brushless etc 🙌😃
Eimoji 😃🙌 so cute eimoji
Man, I consider Eachine a good brand and when you took that head apart and showed all the loose stuff, stuff installed backwards, no oil/grease, etc that's shocking. Reminds me of my Walmart gravel bike where not a single thing was torqued down at all or adjusted right (including the brakes) and was essentially a death trap. You ain't kidding about taking apart RTF stuff right away to inspect it!! Edit: Just realized this was a testing unit with no QC, but still...
Thank you so much for your view on this helicopter. I ordered one and really like the performance of this little helicopter. I was checking to see if anyone that you know has had problem ordering and receiving parts for this helicopter. When I ordered the helicopter it was on back order and took a while to receive, and if I order parts they are also on back order and sometimes they have canceled the orders due to taking so long for the parts to be shipped. My 180 has been down, due to the difficulty of ordering parts and receiving them because of back ordering issues.
Fantastic channel! Just subbed & bought your e-book. In just 2 of your YT videos & a glance of your e-book, my whole RC heli mindset has done a 180. I have 2 Nano S3's and a Blade 230S V2. The B230 has been a bear and after watching your vids, I'm convinced my NX 10 is not set properly. I just re-entered the hobby after a 13 year hiatus so I'm almost starting back at scratch. Everything went to DSM, I left during the 72Mhz era. Plus many other changes of course. Definitely watching your channel and I see a couple of helis I like which I'll get when I get more proficient with what I already have..
I have a blade 700 that needs some air time. It has been in storage. I think this 180 is perfect for shaking off the cobwebs. Thanks for the great review! Also, I am not a seasoned heli vet. Some of your normal practice in heli prep was very welcomed.
Wow. Speaking of eachine 180 I actually want one. It looks a solid
Running heli. I would an OMP even more I am strapped for for cash so this will suffice. I got a massive project in a few days I have to put the Align trex 650x you talk about bright neon canopy the 650 John
Is gorgeous that's why I got it. Anyway your review of this
machine 180 beautiful. I really want one so bad awesome video
Appreciate the feedback :)
Awesome review thanks for taking the time to create it!...I just got an e180 and I'm really happy with it... I'm not an experienced heli pilot but a beginner to intermediate one... So far I love the way it flies and looks!...I didn't find any of the issues you pointed out with yours, but I did check them all! Thumbs-up for your video! Greetings from Douglas, Arizona 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾🌵🦠😷🇵🇷
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Thanks for taking the time to comment & confirm your E180 didn't have any of those QC issues. As confirmed by both Banggood & others, I just got a bad one. Glad you are happy with yours.
@@Rchelicopterfun Awesome thanks!👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾🌵🦠😷🇵🇷
This is an aspirational heli for me. I'm building skills and knowledge on a pair of XK110's. I think I need to have the skill before I deserve a beauty like this...
Very good overall review John, you gave me a lot to check when I get mine.
Feel free to comment back any interesting assembly quirks. I'm personally curious if I'm just a magnet for these types of problems and live Murphy's law every day, or if they are more wide spread. 🙂
@@Rchelicopterfun Hey John, just to let you know that I received my E180 today (Sat 3/20/21) and everything checked out ok.
Awesome to hear! 👍
Love your RC Airwolf review and this one too! THANKS JOHN! :D
Glad you enjoyed it
I just picked up the BNF version. Took apart the head and all parts were bone dry. Reassembly was done with red grease for GM cars, lol. After the greasy festival, I used light weight lube for the swashplate and other little parts. BTW, the blades were soo tight and that was fixed. I do need to use locktite on head assembly, I had to test before hand. AND it seems to be awesome! More to come....
And thanks again for your review. You, my friend are truly an asset to this hobby. I have learned soo much. BTW, have you checked out the Eachine E150? This lil devil WAS great till it wasn't. I do have a video. But after purchasing my own repair part, the ESC, which was faulty ( 1 of the electrical post for the main motor was loose, needed to be soldered ), I was airborn again....
Also, BangGood tried their best, but they are not technically technical.
@eric coker - I've actually had an E150 sitting on the shelf for the past 2 going on 3 months to review. The review is actually all finished except the flying portion. The ESC as well went up in a puff of smoke in the first 30 seconds of the first flight. Trying to get a replacement ESC for it has been murder here in Canada. Not sure if it's due to the chip shortage or something else? BG has put an order in for me direct from Eachine, but I have still not seen a thing. For the first 30 seconds however, like you mentioned, it was pretty impressive from the little bit of air time I had on it. Not enough air time to tell if it was up to the M1's amazing feel.
@@Rchelicopterfun I actually had a few flights, mostly 6G mode and out the box it was #1 with the XK K100 right behind it with the 6G stability, they both hovered like it had GPS. And the same held true for agility mode on both...
All my Blade helis left alot to be desired in 6G mode, 230s (even with forward programming) still drifts slightly backwards. The Nano S3 and Mcpxbl2 all drift forwards in stability mode. BUT in agility mode with everything checked and adjusted, they fly good. Point being, BLADE HELIS are solid in the electronics area in stability mode even if the smaller models have alot slop with blade grips and swashplates.
I finally got the E150 working good, actually just as rock solid as the E180. I followed your E180 process with regards to the head assembly on the E150. I also purchased the flight control shock absorber! 4 dollars for a similar mount with the added dual sided sticky foam. I guess it absorbs vibration. And its works.
I've never been a fan of helicopters without collective pitch tail rotors but this one seems to be doing pretty well
Pretty much all the smaller (under 250 size) brushless direct drive fixed pitch tail rotor helis on the market these days have excellent tail hold and authority. You can still pick up on very slight acceleration thrust delays, but it's worlds apart from what it used to be like with brushed or coreless tail motors.
John. Mine was all good across the rotor head in terms of assembly and loctite - absolutely zero play in the follower arms. I did go for a blue loctite on the black follower arms bolts. I disassembled it all to have a close look at the bearings etc in the follower arms
Feathering shaft loctited both ends and no issues with back to front bearings but no lube either. My M2 was dry in the blade grips as well
I did not find a single fault with assembly across every screw.
My sole assembly criticism was the main blades where snugged down to tight
@Kiwi_craig RC, Thanks for relaying your E180 assembly quality. So it's official, I once again got a Monday heli 😄
John Salt yeah that was disappointing for sure.
Great review, as always, thanks John.
Glad you enjoyed it
Great video, as usual, John 👍
Glad you enjoyed it
Solid review brother , 👍
Thanks :)
Very informative
It's great to see the direct drive motor going into more machines. Say Goodbye to bags full of Delrin drive gears. Makes me wonder about how big you could go with a direct drive system... I ,for one, love a big can ;)
Yes, good question on max size of a direct drive arrangement. Largest so far is a 300 (Goblin Mini Comet & Fireball), because more torque is needed at lower head speeds the larger we go. Perhaps smaller lightweight built in or shaft mounted planetary gear sets could be utilized?
@@Rchelicopterfun I guess it's just down to motor size and design limitations. Gearing would mean it's not direct drive anymore, right? The motor would have to have enough torque to turn the mast and at that point, probably a belt driven tail. Great idea though. I love the thought of a all in one motor and transmission.
months ago I visited a small company that makes industrial drones.
Founder showed me a prototype direct drive helicopter that he made.
I cannot say much information cause it's kind of secret,
but what I can say is it was using 600 size blades.(huge)
I heard it had first test flight few days ago.
I hate how the canopy text looks like EIBD instead of E180, can't unsee
Great Video! I am trying to set this heli up with spektrum. What are, for a beginner- very tamed mode, the settings that you would recommend in normal mode for throttle and pitch curves?
All covered in my setup & tips ebook: www.rchelicopterfun.com/rc-helicopter-tips.html
Thank you for your support and help I won't be buying one I'll be getting the blade 230 s v2 better support available from horizon thank you again
John i love you vids. You done a very good job :D Keep going. Greets from Germany
🙂👍
thanks. good presentation. i was encouraged to see a LOWER head speed option and main blades that are not extra Massive. i gave up on cp helis bc of the ridiculously high head speed; and on fp flybarless, because of the Fat blades. cheers
You can set lower head speeds on pretty much any collective pitch RC helicopter with your throttle curves or governed speeds. All depends how you want it to fly and how much rotor energy you want.
John, how would a beginner know what to check, and how to correct the things you found wrong with this helicopter?
Experience is the best teacher that simple takes time to acquire; however, I do cover many RC helicopter tips I've gained over the decades in my ebooks; specifically the setup & tips one: www.rchelicopterfun.com/rc-helicopter-tips.html
Another great review John.
Glad you enjoyed it 🙂
Got a vibration sound to it. Good video
Perhaps you are hearing the tail rotor? On these direct drive helis, you really hear the tail rotor screaming because there is no main shaft gear whine to mask it.
T review John, just one question, I'm completely new to rc heli flying and asking is the Futaba T-FHSS compatible with this Eachine 180 please...
The RX in the E180 uses S-FHSS protocol, not T-FHSS.
Hey John! 🌈 You might remember my e150 esc pooped the bed. Very hard to get hold of one :( D’you know if the e180 esc is the same? (or any 3rd party esc for that matter) Thanks buddy! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Different.
Hi would you recommend this Helicopter for a beginner training to fly pro R/C Helicopters? I am trying to decide which one to buy E180 or E150? Thanks
@Aariz Mushtaq - any decent collective pitch RC helicopter paired with a computerized radio can be a good trainer with a tame learning to fly setup & training gear fit. The E180 or E150 can both be equally as good for learning on. The general rule of thumb is the "bigger the better". That comes with the caveat that it's not too big for your flying area (if you have a small area, stick with a smaller heli); you can legally fly it in your area (many over 250g restrictions now); and you can afford the price increase (both in parts & LiPo's).
Also, the bigger the heli, the more damage that occurs during a crash due to increased mass & energy release so that has to be considered as well. I cover all these basic RC heli fundamentals of choosing your first heli in much more detail on my Best RC Helicopter page on my website: www.rchelicopterfun.com/best-rc-helicopter.html
The radio menu is the same as that of the xk 110 and k130 the x6 of XK PENCER YOU WHO IS POSSIBLE TO USE THE Xk X6 RADIO of the k 110 for this helicopter??
Awesome review I just received the E180 and found your video extremely informative.. I was wondering what you would use to lube the main shaft and thrust bearings on this heli. I'm getting back into RC and this is new to me.... Thanks
@Rome - I cover recommended lubrication points & types to use in my Setup & Tips ebook in the Helicopter Maintenance chapter if you happen to have that ebook. If not, on a small 200 size heli like the E180, main shaft would get a light weight oil, thrust bearings a light weight grease.
. Im looking forward to your heli series ebooks will be ordering them very soon.. I love getting to know the in's-and-out's of RC. Thanks for the advice
Hey John, good review. I'm like you with the wash out arm, don't like it. On my E160 the brass bushing in the wash out arm worn thin quickly and produced a ton of slop eventually causing the main rotor to lag (bind up enough) behind the tail causing a crash. That was after 70 flights with mild 3d. Now I can't get the wash out arm parts. The dreaded crash and wait forever! :(
Hi John, Another great video as always. Question for you: What pitch angle gauge are you using & where can I get one? Thanks!
It's an Align digital gauge, but there are other no-name ones of the same design. I link to one such example on my RC helicopters tool page on my website: www.rchelicopterfun.com/rc-helicopter-tools.html
It's the first tool listed on that page.
So, I bought this little guy and was wondering if either my jeti ds14 or flysky14 would work with this thing? Thanks
It accepts SBUS so as long as one of those radio brands you have also has an available micro SBUS receiver (6ch or better) it will work. If they don't it won't. I'm pretty sure there are micro SBUS RX's out there for pretty much every radio brand under the sun, but since I have no experience with either Jeti or FlySky, I can't give a 100% confirmation.
What a nice machine. Wish banggood would send me things
Does anybody know if the radiolink transmitters will bind with the eachine 180 helicopter
It may also be more challenging to keep it from getting too head heavy, depending on the battery..
Hi John, nice review on the E180. I prefer my M1 and M2 and my setup on those too are quite aggressive also. I’m finally getting on how the setup goes with my TX16S tho my is running on EdgeTx. Out of curiosity, would you share your otx file on your E180? I just want to load it in my PC so I can learn how you setup your HELI with all in one unit. It’s just a curiosity how you setup the low rate and high rate on the E180. I tend to go back and forth with all my setup so I can learn all the switch assignments as well. Thanks John
@scrc511 - Don't want to open the file sharing can of worms - did it once and it was an endless hassle. Besides, it's the exact same OpenTX template I use for all my collective pitch helicopters which I cover in depth in my OpenTX for helicopters video: ua-cam.com/video/XdFOndPG7xo/v-deo.html
@@Rchelicopterfun Understood. Thanks John, I saved the vid link you sent me pretty much how I was doing before, I will probably be watching it again to get a better idea as far as setting up the d/r and switch assignments. This vid was an old reference on how to setup OpenTx, I do mine now a little bit differently as far as setting up for helicopters. But your video has always been very informative, and I love how you go into depth details. Thank you so much again John.
Great review as always!! I just recently picked up a Jumper T16 and I have an old HK450 that I brought back to life, and was wondering if you would ever consider making a video on setting up a flybar heli in Opentx?? There isn't much out here on the subject. I have an xk k110 that I have set up on the Jumper, and have set up the HK in the Flysky FS-i6, but would like to set it up with the T16. I purchased a couple of your Ebooks a while back and have learned a lot from them. Thanks again for the review of the E180, and your consideration to my request.
There is a setup video on Johns channel! Even with the XK110! :)
@KThrash - I'll consider doing something like that with OpenTX; I'll have to look at the internet search volume to see if it's worthwhile. It's not just flybars, it would also apply to any FBL system that doesn't do the electronic swash mixing internally such as the original Align 3G and 3GX units. Mechanical CCPM mixed helicopters however with flybars would be setup the same in OpenTX as they would be for a FBL heli with internal FBL electronic mixing. Of course, that's not what the flybared HK450 uses, it uses 120 degree eCCPM mixing.
With all that said, have you already studied the heli setup section in OpenTX University's web site? That site is what I used (and still reference often) when I got into OpenTX and I use their exact helicopter foundation for all my helicopters (flybar & flybarless, mechanical and electronically mixed). They clearly layout what's involved in setting up a flybared eCCPM helicopter in their helicopter section.
@@Rchelicopterfun thank you sir! Yes I have looked at Opentx U, and I will look at it again and see if I can figure it out, I'm just more of a visual kind of guy, and thought if a guy such as yourself had a video that I could follow along with such as I did watching your xk k110 video, made it real simple to follow and easy to understand. Thanks for the advice!!
Great review and always appreciate the tips. Do you have a recommendation on what Grease/lube to use for the bearings on helis? Thank you
If you have my setup & tips ebook, I have a fairly extensive section in the heli maintenance section of that eBook on lubrication. Thrust bearings I use general purpose bearing grease.
You didn't like the USB charger (quite understandable give the high cell voltage) but you trust that cheap cell voltage tester? Have you verified how accurate that cell volt meter is against an accurate multimeter? Keep the great rc reviews. Cheers!
Of course I have checked them, and I most certainly "trust" their readings. I've got a half dozen or so of those AOK LiPo cell voltage testers from Buddy RC: www.buddyrc.com/products/aok-digital-battery-meter?ref=-ptdbz6d-llb&variant=30735566405718
It's nice to have several so they are always handy. I usually have at least two my field box, and others lying around the work bench, charging stations, basically everywhere I need to test LiPo's or LiFe's. Every single one is bang on to what my Fluke multimeters show for open circuit voltage. Those little AOK's of course have one less decimal place resolution than my Fluke or other quality 4000 and higher count DMM's, but they always round up or down the second place well. I use them because they are super convenient, small, easy to read, and easy to check the voltage of each cell. Been using them years and they work a treat and I will continue to use them because they are accurate and "cheap". I'm personally not keen on dragging a large expensive DMM out to the flying field to have it stolen.
@@Rchelicopterfun I was just really curious as it might be easy to overlook. Thanks!
Where can I go to learn all about helies?like all about rotor heads on rc and flybarless u it’s and motors and gearing!
My website: RC Helicopter Fun: www.rchelicopterfun.com/
Hello. I'm into fpv drones, so I have a flysky Nirvana radio and an elrs module. Can i find a similar small heli with a compatible receiver? I see, this one has S-BUS, so i can feasably run elrs with it? But then, how do I get telemetry from this thing?
Or maybe I should just build something
Hope the company see's this review and fixes their issues.
If you glass the comments, they already have. 🙂
@@Rchelicopterfun Good. So then I'm ordering one lol
See that kind of build quality from all the blade ready to fly heli's all the time...
Hey John seen a few reviews on the Eachine's and XK's and yours are definitely the most informative and honest. So I value your opinion over all the others.
I want to get my first collective pitch heli I've flown before but not collective.
The price of this RTF with 4 batteries is currently really really good for me in the UK around £230. The e160 is £160 and the XK K110 is £100 but out of stock for a while.
Question is do I really tame down the e180 and buy that over the others? I will not be trying 3d I'll be sport flying it.
Being bigger it's the one I want to go for but I'm worried it's just too much! But cost and value wise it's looking the best I think 🤔
Cheers and keep up the great work
Hi Darren, best to contact me direct on my website so I can give your question the time & detail it requires. To quickly respond however, yes the E180 can be tamed right down into a nice trainer to learn on just like any CP heli can. As to if you want to start on a heli like this over a smaller micro CP bird is up to your specific expectations. Primarily do you want something that will almost always survive a mishap, over one that has a much greater energy release potential and therefore possibility of more crash damage. Also take your flying area into account, do you have the room for a 200 size heli? Feel free to fire me an email via the contact page on my site if you want to cover this in more depth: www.rchelicopterfun.com/contact.html
Cheers :)
@@Rchelicopterfun thanks for the response John and I'll be in touch 👍
@@darrennixon1986 Look forward to it :)
Hey what did you decide? I restarted this Hobby after 8 years break. I really really appreciated johns advice. First i got the xk k110 and then a second one. You dont want to be grounded so long. They are so cheap. Now I am up the the omphobby M1. Love to fly i the field or park or even garden. Anything bigger is restricted with over 250g laws and needs to be flown way out. Sucks if you wanna give it a quick spin. I recommend Banggood. Takes a while, but cheap. Otherwise we even have an amazon prime dealer selling the M1 and spares hardly more expensive than BG. The dealer Flish on Aliexpress offers M1 parts with 10 day delivery really cheap.
Hola, gracias a tus videos adquirí un alzrc devil 505, del que estoy enamorado😍 y ahora he pedido con tu cupón el eachine e180, espero poder disfrutarlo y programarlo con mi radiomaster tx16s. Un saludo y gracias por tus artículos así como por compartir tus conocimientos. Por cierto ¿sabes si hay algún video o archivo de openTx para la programación del e180?
Por cierto yo utilizo baterías de CHNL, estoy muy contento con ellas, lo digo por si te pueden llegar a Canadá, recuerdo que comentaste que tenías problemas con la importación. Un saludo👌😁
Hello, thanks to your videos I acquired an alzrc devil 505, which I am in love with😍 and now I have ordered the eachine e180 with your coupon, I hope I can enjoy it and program it with my radiomaster tx16s. Greetings and thanks for your articles as well as for sharing your knowledge. By the way, do you know if there is any openTx video or file for programming the e180? By the way I use CHNL batteries, I am very happy with them, I say this in case they can reach Canada, I remember you commented that you had problems with the import. Greetings👌😁
Where can I get the coupon?
Do you know of any Spektrum setup info anywhere. Eachine says its dsmx expandable with sat receiver but I cant find any setup guides.
It would be setup the same as any collective pitch heli. Nothing different when using a different RX protocol.
@@Rchelicopterfun ok cool. Didnt know if I had to do anything unusual. Thanks
How does this compare with the Blade 230? This ones seems it has higher quality parts, aka aluminum as it appears compared with plastic for the Blade. Looking to finally move up to a CP Heli and want and trying to decide. Great video btw, thx!
@ Ron Steurer The Blade is slightly larger and doesn't use a direct drive main shaft motor which is the single biggest difference between the two. Nothing wrong with plastic parts by the way on entry level CP helicopters. They weigh less and act as mechanical fuses when you crash which goes a long way to save servos, shafts, and other more costly components. Plastic replacement parts also cost less. In terms of quality, the E180 is decent, but the OMP Hobby M2 would be my pick if build & component quality are your primary considerations. If after sales & local hobby shop support is your primary consideration, it's hard to beat any Horizon Hobby Blade products because they are carried at so many hobby shops world wide.
@@Rchelicopterfun Thank you
Did I hear correctly; you didn't bring your battery back lower than 80%, and that was 6 minutes!? So it could have gone for a lot longer?
80% Discharged state. Should never discharge a li-po past that.
@@Rchelicopterfun thanks!
Hi john ,,, would this heli bind with the xk 6 transmitter ?? Thank you
@tommycruz100 - yes it will, no problem. Uses the same Futaba S-FHSS protocol; in fact, the E6 radio is essentially the same radio as the X6 with just a few external cosmetic differences.
When it comes to RC helicopters the best one is the one that has the best availability of spare parts that are easy to get. So get what is available and supported in your local hobby shop.
Exactly as I state on my best RC helicopter page: www.rchelicopterfun.com/best-rc-helicopter.html
"Parts Availability - The Best RC Helicopter Deal Breaker!
Yes, no matter how careful or good you are, you will need parts; either for repairs or maintenance.
This is something that many people don't consider when making their first RC helicopter purchase, but you soon find out how important it is. If you can’t get parts or it takes many weeks or months to get parts, your helicopter is nothing more than a static model - very frustrating.
This again (as I have touched on numerous times already), is where getting into popular name brands or clones of name brands pays big dividends. The more hobby shops or online shops that carry your specific brand, the easier it will be getting parts from any source.
More aftermarket parts are available as well with the big name birds, which can be very advantageous for customizing or finding a part that the dealer doesn't carry anymore.
Resale value & desirability are also going to be much better on most name brand heli gear so that is also something to take into consideration.
I always recommend if you have a decent local hobby shop (LHS), pay them a visit first and find out what brand/s they carry. Being able to run down to the LHS when you need a part or two will save you a lot of time & money over the years in shipping costs if you have to have parts shipped to you. Naturally if you have no LHS, or one that is not RC helicopter knowledgeable, that point is moot."
For many folks around the world & in remote locations, that last sentence applies.
Good video, as always very informative. At 18.20 : "Way over charged". Really? LiPo batteries must be quite the fuzz pots, real prim-a-donnas. Four hundreds of a volt high, is over charged?
Really - very much so. Termination voltage is critical in their life expectancy and has a direct correlation. Lots of studies have been done in the cell phone industry on this and even in our hobby over the past decade +. Many even consider 4.2V too high and will limit their chargers to 4.18 or even a bit lower. 4.15 if you really want to play it safe. Also depends on other factors of course - amount of time left in that overcharged state & ambient temperature, a for example.
@@Rchelicopterfun. Thank you for that clarification, John. Very much appreciated. Me being an old nitro modeler, trying to wrap my head around all this electrical stuff. We did not have these worries with glow plug engines :-) . By the way, the M2 V2 (bought after watching your review some time ago) is up and flying. Greetings from Surrey, BC
@Steve Snoen - Yep, there is much more to LiPo care than most first realize; I even state something similar on my LiPo battery care page on my website - the single longest article I have on my entire site: www.rchelicopterfun.com/lipo-batteries.html
So much to cover...
To be honest, with these little inexpensive $20 LiPo packs, most don't care if they are not treading them with the "prim-a-donna" care they need for maximum life expectancy, but once you are into bigger machines where you are shelling out $150 plus for a single battery pack, you quickly learn how expensive it can get when you don't treat them with the care they need.
I'm perhaps overly sensitive to this because I destroyed a $250 Thunder Power LiPo in my first big electric heli the very first time I flew it, after years of flying nitro. After a single costly mistake like that, you very quickly learn anything & everything you can about LiPo care. Over a decade later, I'm still learning 🙂
Bonjour monsieur sur la carte de vol y a une entre s bus donc si je conecte un récepteur s bus ( en frsky ou futaba ?
Hi John, What grease did you use? Thank you.
Just standard bearing grease.
@@Rchelicopterfun Thank John for the information. Great videos.
What do you do if the screw in the head axle is stripped? (not the threads, the end of the screw where the hex screw driver goes in. It was stripped out when I got it and I can't disassemble the head)
I cover various methods of removing rounded out (cammed out) fasteners in my Setup & Tips for RC Helicopter eBook in chapter 11 (pg's 145 to 148) if you have that eBook. Likely have to drill the head off the fastener and replace the head axle, but you could try one of the other methods as well. Really depends how badly it's rounded/cammed out and how strong the loctite is.
@@Rchelicopterfun you da man John! Thank you. Where can I find your ebook?
@TJ Ratz - all my ebooks are listed on my website: www.rchelicopterfun.com/rc-helicopter-e-books.html
@@Rchelicopterfun I just checked out your website. I really appreciate all the help you provide John and would love to support you. Do one of the ebooks cover maintenance for 3D Helis specifically 180 size? Like what to oil, grease, loctite, change out, etc over a period of time? One guy I saw suggested yearly maintenance...
Will it bind to my radio link transmitter it says fhss on the transmitter thanks
No idea. All I can say is if your TX uses Futaba's S-FHSS protocol, has a minimum of 6 channels along with heli programming (pitch & throttle curves etc.) then yes it should work.
Omp all the way
John, would this be a difficult helo for a beginner to fly?
If setup for learning on, no more difficult than any similar collective pitch heli in this size segment. If not setup for learning - very difficult for a beginner. Also depends on your definition of "beginner". Any heli flying experience with fixed pitch for example or even previous RC experience?
My page on choosing the best RC helicopter on my site covers this in much more detail:
www.rchelicopterfun.com/best-rc-helicopter.html
I have the goblin fireball 280 that's direct drive and love it! Only downfall is you can not do an auto.
So they didn't have a oneway bearing which would allow freewheeling of the mains
@@arnoldg3076 exactly, and tail,so when you hit throttle hold, it stops pretty quickly. You can do one,just from about a foot off the ground.
The OMP M2 and very likely the E180 will auto. It takes skill and there is little energy left in the rotor (like any small heli), but it can be done. The direct drive motor freewheels quite easily in both.
@@Rchelicopterfun the competition motor for the goblin has some wicked magnets in it,I would say I have about 2 seconds max from throttle hold,until the blades stop.keep I. Mind,the 280 fireball with that motor,has a 5,000 rpm headspeed!!! Also runs off of 6s.
I was referencing the m2 & e180's ability to auto, not the fireball.
What kind of grease do you recommend for the main shaft where the swash plate rides?
Light oil.
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Hello my friend I have a question can a Airwolf fuselage fit on this helicopter..???
No fuselages that I know for this size helicopter.
Recently got my E180. I noticed some play in the feathering shaft. Tightened that and did some loctite on the threads.
Nontheless a very nice heli!
Which exact curves did you program on OpenTX?
I used 0 for light flying, 40 for some light 3D and 80 for some real smackdown.
Did you notice any headspeed changes above Otx Scale +80? I did not.
Great Video, John!
Curve values are meaningless due to mechanical variation in the heli along with output values in the radio. You must use a gauge when setting up your collective range with any CP heli and I stated the power output and collective ranges used in my 3 flight modes. I found 90% channel outputs is where it maxed 🙂
funny thing if the norm was to fly upside down, then every one would be impressed by flying right side up.
Sir, is this the same as the yu Xiang f180?
Yes. It's also been re-branded as the HDX Ripper 180.
do this sell on amazon?? visa card only work for amazon only
My favourite helicopter E180
But I can't shipped in india 🥺🥺
I need help (and so does my heli lol), i can not calibrate the gyro to stop drift, found a video that says to hold back the elevator for 4 seconds to put it into calibration mode (fast flashing red led) but it dose not work, my red led stays flashing slowly (around 1 second flashes) and does not change.
I am not able to find a led status indicator key for this heli either so im not even sure if my red led should be flashing red at 1 second intervals? i have tried rebinding and it stays the same.
I am using the TX16s transmitter.
If you can help it would be amazing, i have spend hours trawling the web for answers but have come up with nothing, please help (:
Sorry, I never fly in auto level mode and have no idea how to enter gyro calibration mode.
@@Rchelicopterfun I want the gyro to set up a rescue switch, I want to fly more and repair less lol.
Hey John, I’m wondering how I go about purchasing your e-books. Please let me know. Thx so much Chris
Hi Chris. I have a link in the description. Here's the link to the e-book page listing all of them if you're interested: www.rchelicopterfun.com/rc-helicopter-e-books.html
You can access the setup & tips e-book from that page of course - cheers :)
Hi John, can I add GPS to this helo? Thanks!
I suppose if you gut it and spend more than the heli is worth on a GPS system (if you even find one that fits and works). Of course the question is why would anyone want to?
@@Rchelicopterfun Well, why does anyone want a heli with GPS? With all the modularity and plug and play electronics available in RC these days, I just wondered what would be involved in trying it. Thanks.
Good day. I just wanna ask sir if I can use my XK6 radio to Each one 180.
Thanks
XK X6 radio - Yes.
@@Rchelicopterfun Thank you so much Sir
John, I heard you mention in past videos you are restricted on flying anything over 250grams. Is that a province law or Canada whole? I am considering moving and retiring in Canada either BC or Alberta and enjoying this hobby. I have duel US/Canadian citizen ship . Your site got me into this hobby over 10 years ago .
@zmanphx - Transport Canada's RPAS (remote piloted aerial systems) restrictions & regulations are country wide, not provincial. If you become a MAAC member (our version of your AMA), and fly at a MAAC location with traditional line of sight RC aircraft (no drones or FPV, which brought about all this BS in the first place), you are exempt from all of Transport Canada's RPAS heavy handed regulation. You must of course follow MAAC's rules which we have been doing for years and why MAAC is exempt from TC's RC regulations because of their exemplary safety record. Of course if you are in a very rural area/large private field with no-one around and are not flying in controlled airspace (ie. class G airspace), you don't have much to worry about, but you would do so at your own risk if you were ever reported.
@@Rchelicopterfun wow, didn't know rc hobby was over regulated in Canada. Thanks
@zmanphx Less regulated and not as strict as what the FAA has in place. www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/aircraft_certification/aircraft_registry/UA/
@@Rchelicopterfun the U.S has more idiot RC flyers who ruined the hobby for 99% of us who practice common sense. That link you reference has it divided by weight class and commercial use and hobbyist. We are mostly fine for under 55lbs. and non commercial use. I fly at large soccer field on weekend. We have large areas of farm land, but don't want to piss off the farmers, even though they don't own the air space.
@zmanphx Good to know; I guess some common sense (on the FAA's side) has prevailed. Do you know what ever happened to their "RC aircraft transponder idea"? Around this time last year, I was hearing from many of my US visitors to my site along with a podcast interview I was invited to on Skids Up, that the FAA was also looking into having all RC aircraft carry individual aviation transponders, just like full size so they could all be tracked and identified. Hoping common sense prevailed and that idea has been filed in the G pile 🙂
Yep, for decades traditional line of sight RC aviation has been very safe and common sense was followed by pretty much everyone, but all that has been undermined and we know which segment of the RC flying population is mostly responsible for this. It's the primary reason why MAAC up here was able to get exemption status from all the Transport Canada RC regulation nonsense - their decades of airplane, helicopter & glider line of sight flying safety record. I personally haven't been able to fly any of my larger machines for 7 months now since the private field I was flying at has new ownership that won't allow me to fly there anymore because of "drone fear". I'm now involved in the lengthy & complicated process of getting a MAAC recognized field in our area. 3 months into it & still no idea how it will play out.
Glad to see eachine branching off but...... That's a crazy price for an eachine product 🤣
How so? Full carbon fiber frame, CNC machined parts, a costly large diameter high torque out runner, 3 digital metal geared servos, good & adaptable FBL system with built in S-FHSS RX, high current 3s power system. What other direct drive 200 size collective pitch heli option is on the market with similar specs and has as good performance for less than the E180? None. I was hoping the E180 might be a little less considering the M2 EXP is not much more and is a better helicopter; but the E180 is certainly not what I would classify as "crazy" pricing for the given package.
Hi l love this helicopter so much please tell price this helicopter
I said in the video and there are links in the description to the two versions.
Y do u always ask for the price you fool
Can u buy these in Oarstraylia please ?
"Obviously , it's not an M2".... not a bad machine though..
Will this work with the xk x6 radio?
Yes, S-FHSS protocol.
how much does it cost
Links in the description.
Blade 130 or 180cfx type.
Just don't buy blade 😁
@@raihanmiah7162 Nothing wrong with them i have a few of them.
Thé price is similaire of blade 230s i préfers 230s blade v2
This is the main reason that ANY rc kit I get road or air. I disassemble it and rebuild it.
Then I know its done "right".
And if anything goes wrong its my fault.
In other words, bring back kits we have to build ourselves
🙂👍
@@Rchelicopterfun Pretty much. But most people want instant gratification now...
I have a Firefox C129 helicopter
Something fell off at 25:44.
Or maybe it just scooped some snow
Snow.
Is this Eachines original FBL code? Or did they clone it from the M2.
Guess you missed where I said it has a much different feel than the M2 - totally different PID algorithm going by heli feel.
这款飞机 很好飞
Easier to fly than OMPHOBBY m2?
not the remote you use
What does that even mean? Doesn't matter what computerized radio transmitter you use; provided it's running SFHSS protocol.
GOOD JOB BRO, 1SUBSCRIBE FOR YOU, hehe
Bumblebees and mosquitoes!!!!!!!
Bet you can’t get throttle right !
If you're asking if you can change the E6 radio from mode 2 to mode 1 (throttle on the right stick) yes you can.
Absolutely zero reason to buy the eachine over the omp unless you like supporting a company that will give zero support to its customers.
LOL - I recall the exact same comments about OMP Hobby in the first review I did of the OMP M2 V1. 😄
I think as long as spares are available, it's good enough. If you receive defective heli, or missing parts, just contact banggood, ebay, or any other place where you bought it..so what kind of support are you talking about?
@@pikapikacool two reasons first see the company responding to to this video and second you obviously haven’t had any dealings with buddy Rc. Those who know will laugh at these comments
@@FASTFREDDIE-R.C. i see banggood responding to this video, because they're the one sending him the heli..so you mean why not eachine responding? I get that, I think maybe because they're just a small chinese local company..but as far as i know eachine updated their e160 to version 2, so maybe they listened to issues about their products..other than that, they're just producing cheap toy level rc's so maybe they think it's not important to update it..i don't know about this buddy rc you're talking about though..
@@FASTFREDDIE-R.C. well to be fair, i have ordered from banggood delivered to my doorstep in 4 days..and from ebay seller in usa usually 4-5 weeks using ems, usps..so it depends on where you live..for the reviewer, this guy in the video did, he said bad things about this heli, the twitching connecting rods, screws not locktited, lack of grease, bearings assembled inside out, crap chargers..and he said it's not a really good cheaper option compared to the omp hobby because it's only 10 dollars cheaper..but of course to be a fair reviewer he had to said something good if it's good..i'm not trying to defend eachine, i think they're crap too..and better to keep producing cheap toy level rc, for the price, they were pretty good..but for higher end hobby level rc, i think they're not there yet in terms of quality, customer service, etc..so can't really compared them to traxxas, arma, or other bigger rc companies..
Poor craftsmanship from eachine. They really need to step up their game. They installed literally everything wrong. Step up your game eachine.
Dry as a popcorn fart..lol..
I thought drones were problematic Theres no flying this around people. Its the blades I recon, they unnerve some folk.
It's not a drone.