Thanks. There are pluses and minuses with all materials. Tar paper is by no means perfect. But it's great, affordable and has a proven track record if installed correctly. That's all most homeowners need to know!
Very happy to see a good video about tar paper. Countless times removing old siding 50 or more plus years and still holding up. You are right, it may be brittle but the sheathing underneath is still like new. 30 pound tar paper a must. Tar paper can breathe very well for those that believe it traps all moisture. Thanks for the video!
I agree! I recently replace 60 year siding siding from an 100 year old house n it had this tart paper in fair condition, everything was good, no mold or damage wood, kept it dry for generations....
Tar paper does a magnificent job. You just have to overlap it correctly and pay attention at openings. Used with the modern rubberized asphalt tapes for windows and doors, and you have a system that will last 150 years or more.
As a first time home owner of a 1950's house, this was very insightful. I am finding that the way they did things back in the "old" days is in some ways superior to the "new" ways. I'm in the midst of fixing or replacing the original wood (possibly redwood) siding, and underneath there is tar paper for water barrier. Everyone is saying go with Tyvek and James Hardie for new siding. I am now having 2nd thought and might just stick with the original redwood siding (v-groove) and just replace the bad boards, if I can find someone to do it!
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@TheRandomReviewer- everyone is entitled to an opinion. You're correct that it gets brittle, but that does not affect its ability to repel water. Tar paper is time-tested technology.
I find that tar paper is the best house wrap too. for all the reasons you suggest, and I believe it self seals around the nail shank which other plastic wraps do not
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I only use tar paper on all of my jobs. Matter of fact I just put in oak flooring in my parents house and used it underneath. For about a week there is a hint of tar smell, but not a hinderenc whatsoever. As for external, I have never smelled it. I live in Arkansas so the highest I've seen it was about 108 degrees. When I replaced the siding on my parents house the 40 year old tar paper was slightly dry, but still prevailed. The synthetic stuff they sell is simply overpriced for my pockets. Anyway good video, hope you have many more good years of building to come.
Tim, Great video! I've been trying to research this topic for a small cabin I'm building and as near as I can determine tar paper still performs as well or better than other synthetic house wraps. A question for you. What do you prefer to use to fasten the tar paper to the sheathing? Are staples ok or should I use capped nails? Thanks for a great video!!
Hi Tim, I just put tar paper on my garage. Now I have windows to install. I hear that some window tapes have problems sticking to tar paper. Do you have any recommendations please? I have access to Lowe's and Menards. Thank you.
Hi Tim, if I wanted to replace a small section of cedar shingles with vertical tongue in groove under a front gable, do I have to replace the old tar paper from 1982 or start from scratch? Love your videos.
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Thank you for your video. I have kept an used roll, but I don't know it is #15 or #30. However, I measured it is 168.35 mm. So, is 168.35 mm, a #15 or #30?
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Time tested. There are so many new products not sure how efficient they are and how long they will last and is it worth spending so much money on them.
Thanks for the explanation! Question: do you recommend a vapor barrier inside the tar over the sheathing. Also would tar paper not increase the heat radiation
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You still have exposed wood at the bottom where the tar paper did not cover on the horizontal axis. Do you need to seal it with acoustic adhesive at the bottom? Or just let it breathe? If you just let the bottom part of the wood get exposed and breathe, I would coat the wood with copper green or sealer. That way the wood is less likely to mold or rot.
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Be sure you joint my Discord: discord.gg/u89GyDjBdr The power is always in the *question* as you're about to discover. Sure, you can use it as house wrap. You can also do these things: jump off a cliff, drink poison, lay down in front of a moving train. Get my point???? Is that what the product was designed for? When you read the label and use instructions do they say it functions as a house wrap? When you called the mfr and asked them, what was their answer? PRO TIP: NEVER EVER EVER trust an answer from ANYONE online about how to use a product. Why? That person doesn't back the warranty. Always get the answer from the manufacturer.
I bought my mom and dads property when mom sold after dad passed. my dad built a very large garage in 1970 on said property. my wife and I recently decided to reskin the entire garage with metal. after doing the roof we started peeling the old 12" lap siding. much to my surprise the tar paper dad wrapped the walls with is still in unbelievably great shape. 47 years and it's not dried out and brittle like I expected.
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I am replacing the interior drywall of an extension, that was done to the exterior of this house I'm working on. Upon removing the old drywall and insulation, I noticed damp areas on the tar papered wall. Some nails of the exterior siding were sticking thru and was oozing moisture. How can I fix this before sealing the wall back?
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Great video! Could you please tell me what types of nails you are using to fasten the tar paper to the osb? Also, how much of an overlap do you recommend between the horizontal layers? Thx!!
Hi how are you doing I have a question about tar paper do you have to put shingles or siding over top of it once you lay it down or could I just leave tar paper on the small roof of a building so it'll keep my stuff dry inside
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when using tar paper around the outside of a chimney where stones have been removed to be rebuilt later, does the side flashing on the left and right of the chimney that runs up and down against the house go on top of the tar paper or underneath it?
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Im adding an addition to my home and the existing siding is painted wood (im thinking plywood) with 1x4 vertical slats every foot or so going up the length of the walls. I want to maintain the look of the house but Im confused as how to sheath the walls. Normally one would use plywood or OSB to sheath, then tar paper (or tyvek) and then the finish siding on top. So if I want plywood to be my finish siding what is the sheathing? What goes underneath the plywood? Do I do two layers of plywood with tar paper in between? HELP!
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Tar paper is all I use on my buildings roofs and over plywood shear panel for 35 years. People used and still use it for building shacks with it held down with lath stripes . Exposed to the elements it lasts much longer then poly films.
Truth. The only issue is the tar paper of today is much thinner than that made even 50 years ago. Today's 30-pound paper is more like 15-pound decades ago.
I'm building a playhouse for my kids and was thinking of covering the osb siding with tar paper what are options for exterior cover other than vinyl siding over tar paper?
Bryan, this is a great teaching moment. You can do ANYTHING you want. Never forget the power is in the question. You might want to start over and ask about what you think the paint will bring to the party.
berkmanyt It can. Vinyl can get VERY HOT and melt the asphalt. For the asphalt to show though, it would have to somehow get over the top lip of the siding above the nail strip. Since you're not supposed to nail siding TIGHT to the wall, I think your chances of an issue are small.
If she's there on a chair go ask her for a dance you won't be disappointed. Sir I thank you for this kind video as I needed this information. Us younger guys sure do appreciate your knowledge and wisdom.
I still use 30# roofing paper inside tub/shower walls. Stapled to the studs, seam’s flashed and flashed to the bathtub flange under Durock. An old school method that has stood the test of time and moisture protection.
That aint no olds school method no more bro. Unless you stockpiled 30 pound tar paper. Now its NUMBER 30 not 30 Pound. I dont know the difference but I suspect theyre doing me dirty. So thats not up to code in my code book. I redgard the subfloor, then put rockboard up, tape and float that then redgard some more on the rockboard. Same shift from ply wood to OSB and they start adding up until things that are "up to code" you might has well built out with some cheesy pizza boxes.
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I’m replacing the ceiling in my outdoor porch. The front exterior wall between the porch joists and the sloped roof is now visible. The Tyvek is a wreck: Brittle, ripped flaps hanging in various spots. My house is 30 years old. I’m not impressed with Tyvek.
Can anyone give me their thoughts on using tar paper for floors? It was under my floors when i removed the plywood, I want to back and use the same thing when i put down new plywood.
idk if "if u see her sitting there on the chair go ask her for a dance" is a common aphorism but he delivered it with the timing of a comedian but completely straight faced
Tar paper has street cred. It's worked well for well over 100 years. The issue is today's tar paper is not as good as the old stuff. Be sure to only use 30-pound paper today.
I'd like to see that. I've been wrapping houses with tyvek for almost 20 years and have never seen it "crumble". I'm not saying it's the holy grail but definitely one of the best to wrap your house with.
I'm no expert but i think you want drywall over the studs, then tar paper, then mortar and screw your hardee backer board. That would be an effective moisture barrier for your house frame.
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felt is the way to go .. it will protect better than that expensive new shit.. im residing a house we built 25 years ago and no signs of water damage around windows or nothing plus thats what my father used and all the old dudes back in the day.. so use it
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Some modern air and water barriers are great. Some modern products take time to work out the bugs. Some new products are false dragons and create massive amounts of pain years down the road. It takes decades of experience to separate the wheat from the chaff.
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I agree. the point of the video was to put tar paper in context historically. It's important that information doesn't transform from history to legend to myth.
Simple. The overlap joints would not be waterproof. Think of how roofing shingles or wood siding works. Capillary attraction could easily pull water sideways on a vertical seam.
Sorry to inform you sir!.. but tar paper is NOT water or weatherproof and rots osb when moisture gets behind it. It is not an effective moisture barrier in colder climates and in my opinion should not be used without another layer or sublayer to protect it... Test it against exposure to rain and you will see what I mean!.. This might work in some areas of the USA in dry climates but it certainly does not work in climates ( Canada) .. I can assure you..
Frank, thanks for your comment. I hate to say it, but part of what you say is completely false. Tar paper is water and weatherproof. I just wrote a book all about asphalt and it's amazing qualities. You can see it here: www.RoofingRipoff.com The purpose of the felt paper here is to stop water from getting to the wood structure from the *outside*. If it's installed correctly it will do just that in the coldest climates in the USA. If water gets behind it because of water vapor traveling from the warm side of the wall, then you bet it can condense on the other side of the felt paper and rot any wood. In the old days this rarely happened in old frame houses covered with tar paper because the houses were so drafty the humid air inside the house was neutralized by the massive amounts of dry air leaking into the homes. Thousands of us have tested felt paper with respect to water resistance. I'm here to tell you it will not allow water through it if it's in great shape. Asphalt, by its very nature, is waterproof.
Tar paper is absolutely waterproof. Your issue is water vapor which is a gas state of water getting behind the tar paper through various gaps, sometimes even down the wall cavities from the attic then condensing on a cold night. This is not a problem with the tar paper but poor ventilation or other construction. One way to mitigate this in northern climates is a breathable membrane, this blocks liquid water like tar paper does but allows water vapor to pass through along with air so it can dry out. The second way to mitigate it not build with OSB cladding in northern climates.
Yes, you are wrong, C.M.H.C tested Tyvek verses conventional building paper/felt years ago and found out that the tar paper performed better with regard to water infiltration. The reason being is that Tyvek is made out of polyolefin, so any water that gets behind it has no place to go but inside the wall, asphalt coated paper redirects the water away from the wall until it has a chance to dry out. Asphalt building paper is still approved where I am in Canada. Now if there is a a persistent leak, such as from an improperly flashed window or door, then no building wrap, or paper, is going to help. In my experience house wrap is often used to compensate for mediocre carpentry on tract houses, I've seen sheets of OSB put up with 1'' gaps inbetween, and 2'' holes where they have to fit it around a protrusion like rafter tails. Tyvek is also the reason why houses in B.C have rain screen walls, an air gap between the sheathing and the siding, look up "Leaky Condo Syndrome". This is also where Dupont has a case regarding Huber Zip System panels, under ideal circumstances, and paper, it should work, but you have to assume that every joint is taped correctly, and every nail hole is sealed, when there are hundreds of nail holes on an average house.
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Thanks. There are pluses and minuses with all materials. Tar paper is by no means perfect. But it's great, affordable and has a proven track record if installed correctly. That's all most homeowners need to know!
so this can be used on roofs right?? over osb?
Very happy to see a good video about tar paper. Countless times removing old siding 50 or more plus years and still holding up. You are right, it may be brittle but the sheathing underneath is still like new. 30 pound tar paper a must. Tar paper can breathe very well for those that believe it traps all moisture. Thanks for the video!
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I agree! I recently replace 60 year siding siding from an 100 year old house n it had this tart paper in fair condition, everything was good, no mold or damage wood, kept it dry for generations....
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Tar paper does a magnificent job. You just have to overlap it correctly and pay attention at openings. Used with the modern rubberized asphalt tapes for windows and doors, and you have a system that will last 150 years or more.
Can i put plywood the tar paper and then cover it up with cement boards ?
As a first time home owner of a 1950's house, this was very insightful. I am finding that the way they did things back in the "old" days is in some ways superior to the "new" ways. I'm in the midst of fixing or replacing the original wood (possibly redwood) siding, and underneath there is tar paper for water barrier. Everyone is saying go with Tyvek and James Hardie for new siding. I am now having 2nd thought and might just stick with the original redwood siding (v-groove) and just replace the bad boards, if I can find someone to do it!
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Solid wood resists water/moisture better than OSB/plywood.
Redwood is extremely weather and pest resistant. Go walk in a redwood forest, downed logs hundreds of years old have good solid wood in them still.
Excellent information. I used 30lb. tar paper on a storage shed over existing composition and then screwed metal over it and it has worked well.
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@TheRandomReviewer- everyone is entitled to an opinion. You're correct that it gets brittle, but that does not affect its ability to repel water. Tar paper is time-tested technology.
Plus it adds R-Value as well! Not much but it definitely helps!!
I find that tar paper is the best house wrap too. for all the reasons you suggest, and I believe it self seals around the nail shank which other plastic wraps do not
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I only use tar paper on all of my jobs. Matter of fact I just put in oak flooring in my parents house and used it underneath. For about a week there is a hint of tar smell, but not a hinderenc whatsoever. As for external, I have never smelled it. I live in Arkansas so the highest I've seen it was about 108 degrees. When I replaced the siding on my parents house the 40 year old tar paper was slightly dry, but still prevailed. The synthetic stuff they sell is simply overpriced for my pockets. Anyway good video, hope you have many more good years of building to come.
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Great video! I've been trying to research this topic for a small cabin I'm building and as near as I can determine tar paper still performs as well or better than other synthetic house wraps.
A question for you. What do you prefer to use to fasten the tar paper to the sheathing? Are staples ok or should I use capped nails?
Thanks for a great video!!
Hi Tim, I just put tar paper on my garage. Now I have windows to install. I hear that some window tapes have problems sticking to tar paper. Do you have any recommendations please? I have access to Lowe's and Menards. Thank you.
An asphalt-based tape should LOVE sticking to asphalt-based tar paper.
@@askthebuilder Okay, that makes sense. Learning new things since I've started building this garage. I will see what I can find.
Grace Ice and Watershield is asphalt-based. It contains an extra sticky polymer styrene butadiene styrene SBS. See if you can get it in narrow rolls.
Hi Tim, if I wanted to replace a small section of cedar shingles with vertical tongue in groove under a front gable, do I have to replace the old tar paper from 1982 or start from scratch? Love your videos.
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Thank you for your video.
I have kept an used roll, but I don't know it is #15 or #30. However, I measured it is 168.35 mm. So, is 168.35 mm, a #15 or #30?
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@Ask the Builder - What tape do I use for flashing around windows? Will all flashing tape adhere to the tar paper? Also, can I use normal staples to hold the paper in place? I am looking to replace the bottom 2.5ft of of some rotten T1-11 siding and possibly replace a door with a window. First time doing a job like this. Do you have any other tips to provide?
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Time tested.
There are so many new products not sure how efficient they are and how long they will last and is it worth spending so much money on them.
Thanks for the explanation! Question: do you recommend a vapor barrier inside the tar over the sheathing. Also would tar paper not increase the heat radiation
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You still have exposed wood at the bottom where the tar paper did not cover on the horizontal axis. Do you need to seal it with acoustic adhesive at the bottom? Or just let it breathe? If you just let the bottom part of the wood get exposed and breathe, I would coat the wood with copper green or sealer. That way the wood is less likely to mold or rot.
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I have a roll of roofing underlayment (sythetic in nature). Can I use it as a house wrap on my garage?
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The power is always in the *question* as you're about to discover. Sure, you can use it as house wrap. You can also do these things: jump off a cliff, drink poison, lay down in front of a moving train. Get my point???? Is that what the product was designed for? When you read the label and use instructions do they say it functions as a house wrap? When you called the mfr and asked them, what was their answer? PRO TIP: NEVER EVER EVER trust an answer from ANYONE online about how to use a product. Why? That person doesn't back the warranty. Always get the answer from the manufacturer.
I bought my mom and dads property when mom sold after dad passed. my dad built a very large garage in 1970 on said property. my wife and I recently decided to reskin the entire garage with metal. after doing the roof we started peeling the old 12" lap siding. much to my surprise the tar paper dad wrapped the walls with is still in unbelievably great shape. 47 years and it's not dried out and brittle like I expected.
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I'm actually going up in a few weeks to renovate the cabin do you recommend #15 paper?
Nope. 30# as today's 30# is like #15 forty years ago...
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I am replacing the interior drywall of an extension, that was done to the exterior of this house I'm working on. Upon removing the old drywall and insulation, I noticed damp areas on the tar papered wall. Some nails of the exterior siding were sticking thru and was oozing moisture. How can I fix this before sealing the wall back?
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Great video! Could you please tell me what types of nails you are using to fasten the tar paper to the osb? Also, how much of an overlap do you recommend between the horizontal layers?
Thx!!
Regular hot-dipped galvanized roofing nails
Hi how are you doing I have a question about tar paper do you have to put shingles or siding over top of it once you lay it down or could I just leave tar paper on the small roof of a building so it'll keep my stuff dry inside
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U have a corrugated metal sheets on the roof. Since it's not flat I was wondering, can tar paper be used nontheless?
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Good Video sense your so informed on tar paper would you use simplex nails/button nails or staples on the roof tar paper?
Button nails. Whatever it takes to hold down the felt until it can be covered with the roofing. Staples tear out easily.
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Do you recommend #15 for a higher perm or #30 to wrap a house with OSB?
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when using tar paper around the outside of a chimney where stones have been removed to be rebuilt later, does the side flashing on the left and right of the chimney that runs up and down against the house go on top of the tar paper or underneath it?
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Im adding an addition to my home and the existing siding is painted wood
(im thinking plywood) with 1x4 vertical slats every foot or so going up
the length of the walls. I want to maintain the look of the house but
Im confused as how to sheath the walls. Normally one would use plywood
or OSB to sheath, then tar paper (or tyvek) and then the finish siding
on top. So if I want plywood to be my finish siding what is the
sheathing? What goes underneath the plywood? Do I do two layers of
plywood with tar paper in between? HELP!
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I want to build my own house:) love the videos, thanks.
If you haven’t yet than make sure to use plywood or brick instead of osb
Is tar paper a good option in the midwest to install over OSB and under metal siding?
Yup used it many times
Yes.
Hello Tim,
Do you run this in two layers with the joints staggered?
You are supposed to
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Tar paper is all I use on my buildings roofs and over plywood shear panel for 35 years. People used and still use it for building shacks with it held down with lath stripes . Exposed to the elements it lasts much longer then poly films.
Truth. The only issue is the tar paper of today is much thinner than that made even 50 years ago. Today's 30-pound paper is more like 15-pound decades ago.
@@askthebuilder the best tar paper Im finding these days is the 30# my Home Depot sells. The small hardware stores in my area sell rice paper.
I'm building a playhouse for my kids and was thinking of covering the osb siding with tar paper what are options for exterior cover other than vinyl siding over tar paper?
trying to be super conservative :)
Just drive around your neighborhood or city. Anything you see on the outside of a building can be put on this tiny structure.
Is it a good idea to lay 6 mil plastic, then tar paper, then glue down 5mm vinyl plank s?
No.
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Can I paint tar paper? I have a 10' - 12' storage shed. 1/2" plywood wrapped with Tyvek then tar paper, I wanna paint it white.
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Tim, Will tar paper bleed under vinyl siding ( ROYAL is brand I'm using) . Any precautions. Thanks walt
berkmanyt It can. Vinyl can get VERY HOT and melt the asphalt. For the asphalt to show though, it would have to somehow get over the top lip of the siding above the nail strip. Since you're not supposed to nail siding TIGHT to the wall, I think your chances of an issue are small.
If she's there on a chair go ask her for a dance you won't be disappointed. Sir I thank you for this kind video as I needed this information. Us younger guys sure do appreciate your knowledge and wisdom.
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I still use 30# roofing paper inside tub/shower walls. Stapled to the studs, seam’s flashed and flashed to the bathtub flange under Durock. An old school method that has stood the test of time and moisture protection.
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That aint no olds school method no more bro. Unless you stockpiled 30 pound tar paper. Now its NUMBER 30 not 30 Pound. I dont know the difference but I suspect theyre doing me dirty. So thats not up to code in my code book. I redgard the subfloor, then put rockboard up, tape and float that then redgard some more on the rockboard. Same shift from ply wood to OSB and they start adding up until things that are "up to code" you might has well built out with some cheesy pizza boxes.
This is good information. I think I will try tar paper.
You'll not be disappointed. Get 30# if possible.
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Bought #30 tar paper today.
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Question will tar paper hold up on wood below ground level.
No.
How would one use bricks as an exterior finish in a situation like this one we have here?? Thanks.
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Much appreciated !
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I’m replacing the ceiling in my outdoor porch. The front exterior wall between the porch joists and the sloped roof is now visible. The Tyvek is a wreck: Brittle, ripped flaps hanging in various spots. My house is 30 years old.
I’m not impressed with Tyvek.
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Can anyone give me their thoughts on using tar paper for floors? It was under my floors when i removed the plywood, I want to back and use the same thing when i put down new plywood.
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idk if "if u see her sitting there on the chair go ask her for a dance" is a common aphorism but he delivered it with the timing of a comedian but completely straight faced
That's me. Straight-faced comedian.
I'm new to this stuff. Will Tyvek wrap be considered a form of vapor barrier? And does it work the same as tar paper?
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I've pulled off newer siding that has tyvex house wrap on it and it literally crumbled to dust ...tar paper is the only way to go.
Tar paper has street cred. It's worked well for well over 100 years. The issue is today's tar paper is not as good as the old stuff. Be sure to only use 30-pound paper today.
I'd like to see that. I've been wrapping houses with tyvek for almost 20 years and have never seen it "crumble". I'm not saying it's the holy grail but definitely one of the best to wrap your house with.
Thanks my man, I was having a argument with a neighbor. I put tar paper under my siding and he said it wouldn’t breath. He’s wrong your right.
Well, in a way he's right. Tar paper is a somewhat effective vapor barrier but not perfect. We already know it's a great WATER barrier.
@@askthebuilder I put it in a corner where two roofs meet. I really think it’s the way.
so, what is your preference?? 30 or 15# felt
I've seen 15-pound felt last for 90 years. If you have the ability to live with 30#, I'd go with that.
Would you use this for a shower? Tak it along the studs and then put the hardy backer down over it?.....
I'm no expert but i think you want drywall over the studs, then tar paper, then mortar and screw your hardee backer board. That would be an effective moisture barrier for your house frame.
No. That's NOT the way to do it...
can the paper be sandwich between stud and t1-11 siding ? thanks
Yes it can. It's done all the time in California under stucco and chicken wire. Be sure to pretreat that T-111 before installing it.
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Tar paper is better than house wrap?
Tar paper has a time-tested track record. You can't deny that. There are definite advantages to house wraps. Both systems have their pros and cons.
@@askthebuilder ok thank you for your help
felt is the way to go .. it will protect better than that expensive new shit.. im residing a house we built 25 years ago and no signs of water damage around windows or nothing plus thats what my father used and all the old dudes back in the day.. so use it
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What is it made of?
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You had me at... if she's in the corner ask her to dance. All this new stuff is so sexy looking but I'll dance with the one who brought me.
Some modern air and water barriers are great. Some modern products take time to work out the bugs. Some new products are false dragons and create massive amounts of pain years down the road. It takes decades of experience to separate the wheat from the chaff.
Is it breathable?
Not too much.
Great video! THanks! you look like my dad. :)
good information sir!
Is that 15 lb or 30 lb felt
It was 30 pound. Well, it's not really 30 or 15 anymore. They don't put as much asphalt in the paper as they did decades ago.
If she is sitting in a chair ask her for a dance! Hahahah
I like tar paper it’s cheap!!
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Can you put it inside I m inmexico
You can do whatever you want. Would I do it? No.
i live on the coast no house wrap can touch tar paper
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It no longer meets the building code in certain areas.
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My Grandfather built a huge in ground pool out of tar paper, complete with a high dive.
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Thank you didn’t know it was water proof
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It seeps through and stains your siding years later leaving it ugly
That's not true. Hundreds of thousands of houses 100+ years old have this tar paper under wood siding and there are no stains.
I took your advice and confidentially asked my 15 and 30 mil tar paper for a dance. Absolutely nothing happened. NOTHING !
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Unfortunately installing paper is extremely slower than installing tyvek, I will stick with tyvek
I agree. the point of the video was to put tar paper in context historically. It's important that information doesn't transform from history to legend to myth.
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Why not just install the paper vertically and be done with it?
Simple. The overlap joints would not be waterproof. Think of how roofing shingles or wood siding works. Capillary attraction could easily pull water sideways on a vertical seam.
Sorry to inform you sir!.. but tar paper is NOT water or weatherproof and rots osb when moisture gets behind it. It is not an effective moisture barrier in colder climates and in my opinion should not be used without another layer or sublayer to protect it... Test it against exposure to rain and you will see what I mean!.. This might work in some areas of the USA in dry climates but it certainly does not work in climates ( Canada) .. I can assure you..
Frank, thanks for your comment. I hate to say it, but part of what you say is completely false. Tar paper is water and weatherproof. I just wrote a book all about asphalt and it's amazing qualities. You can see it here: www.RoofingRipoff.com The purpose of the felt paper here is to stop water from getting to the wood structure from the *outside*. If it's installed correctly it will do just that in the coldest climates in the USA. If water gets behind it because of water vapor traveling from the warm side of the wall, then you bet it can condense on the other side of the felt paper and rot any wood. In the old days this rarely happened in old frame houses covered with tar paper because the houses were so drafty the humid air inside the house was neutralized by the massive amounts of dry air leaking into the homes. Thousands of us have tested felt paper with respect to water resistance. I'm here to tell you it will not allow water through it if it's in great shape. Asphalt, by its very nature, is waterproof.
Tar paper is absolutely waterproof. Your issue is water vapor which is a gas state of water getting behind the tar paper through various gaps, sometimes even down the wall cavities from the attic then condensing on a cold night. This is not a problem with the tar paper but poor ventilation or other construction.
One way to mitigate this in northern climates is a breathable membrane, this blocks liquid water like tar paper does but allows water vapor to pass through along with air so it can dry out. The second way to mitigate it not build with OSB cladding in northern climates.
This ain’t Canada pal and you’re wrong.
Yes, you are wrong, C.M.H.C tested Tyvek verses conventional building paper/felt years ago and found out that the tar paper performed better with regard to water infiltration. The reason being is that Tyvek is made out of polyolefin, so any water that gets behind it has no place to go but inside the wall, asphalt coated paper redirects the water away from the wall until it has a chance to dry out. Asphalt building paper is still approved where I am in Canada. Now if there is a a persistent leak, such as from an improperly flashed window or door, then no building wrap, or paper, is going to help.
In my experience house wrap is often used to compensate for mediocre carpentry on tract houses, I've seen sheets of OSB put up with 1'' gaps inbetween, and 2'' holes where they have to fit it around a protrusion like rafter tails. Tyvek is also the reason why houses in B.C have rain screen walls, an air gap between the sheathing and the siding, look up "Leaky Condo Syndrome". This is also where Dupont has a case regarding Huber Zip System panels, under ideal circumstances, and paper, it should work, but you have to assume that every joint is taped correctly, and every nail hole is sealed, when there are hundreds of nail holes on an average house.
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Go ask tyvek for a dance?
Yes. The foxtrot or cha-cha would be good choices.
Hmm.
Tar paper as an analogy to a type of woman.
I don't remember saying anything like that, but the video is seven years old. What did I say?