Been hauling excavators in dump trailers with a flatbed dually for over a decade now and some things I have learned from some old timers and trailer dealers about this method of thinking is that it comes from flat beds and deck over equipment trailers. Dump trailers are built to be loaded rear heavy so they will dump their max load. it’s also necessary to take into account that the trailer gets a good portion of its payload capacity from tongue weight. for instance, a 17.5k trailer will have two 8k axles and gets the remaining 1.5k from the tongue weight of the trailer riding on the hitch of the truck. Meaning that while proper weight displacement is important, it’s easy to overload the intended tongue weight as the trailer is designed to be loaded slightly rear heavy. Load blade forward bucket forward and articulate your boom so that the cutting edge of the bucket is touching the cutting edge of the blade and drive the machine forward until just before the back of the bucket touches the front of the trailer. This will put the cab/tracks/engine of the excavator centered over the axles and the boom and blade forward giving you the correct weight displacement.
Hey Noah: Revisiting this some months later. We've just purchased a 7600lb Kubota KX033 mini excavator. I'm picking up a dump trailer to move it later this week. (14', 14k trailer). My tow vehicle is a Max tow f150 rated up to about 12,700 lbs, max tongue weight of 1200. I'm worried about overloading the tongue. Do you suggest reorienting the machine so blade and boom are facing towards the tongue to keep center of gravity back on the trailer? I'm going use a weigh safe hitch so I should be able to get an idea of what my tongue weight is either way.
@@jj_dubs there really is no negative to over loading the tongue a bit. having it too light is deadly. you do not want the trailer determining your direction of travel or traction
This seems like way too much force is being applied to the D-rings and they could easily be ripped out of the trailer. I would like to see separate chains and binders at all 4 corners instead of all that force literally trying to rip those rings apart. Think about it. It distributes the force much more evenly. And if one fails going down the road or in panic braking the other 3 firmly hold the machine in place.
Good video. You might want to recommend ppl Chock the trailer wheels as well. It's just a simple step... no breaking the tranny pawl, nothing's going to roll up or down hill~ (btw- got the same machine, love it👍) thx-
Im assuming the hook on the 3/8th chain on the didn’t fit through the d ring but that doesn’t necessarily mean you need to go with a smaller chain, if you take one hook off the chain to run it through the d rings when you put the binder on all you need to do is put one hook on the side without a hook and the other side on the opposite side and it still works the same as using a chain with two hooks. Just an OIT if you didn’t know.
Great work, also awesome you guys showed the proper hook points I see a lot of people running chains and straps all over random stuff that can mess up a machine and even loosen up but you guys nailed it.
@@diegosierra1963 I wouldn’t recommend it. Youre gonna be really heavy on the tounge. Check your trailer specs first. If you have a 1 ton truck, at that point it’s all about how much can your trailer take… A 1 ton can take that payload tho
Always block tires on trailer not truck. Stands or not . Some day stands will bend or go through asphalt and away you go . Also dot. Requirements is a separate chain and binder in every corner. Also need to reposition machine, to much weight on truck.
Great video!! I would recommend that you instruct people to increase the throttle around half when operating, not under load. Running at idle puts more stress on hydraulic components
??? Are you mechanic ? I am. Myself I think he run it extremely well, and with zero stress. He’s machine is pretty well cared and would last forever I think. These machines have variable displacement pumps, if you request less oil but some pressure the pump will provide it with zero stress, it will set itself as if it is a very small pump. If you request too much energy at idle, the motor will not able to provide and it’s not good to do for him, but you can hear that.
everyone bends those ramps with a 35. I have found it safer to not use the ramps and just jump the mini in, but my dump trailer has low sides and I can spin the house when I am in it.
Chain working load limit depend on the grade of the chain. The gold chain you are using is grade 70. 5/16" grade 70 chain has a working load limit of 4700 lbs.
We strap down the bucket to decrease the movement of the arm while traveling. The idea is to keep all the pins in great shape and hopefully make the machine last longer
@@xxxmikeyjock DOT requires it because the turn table doesnt have a lock on it and the entire cab and arm can swing into traffic. Which of course cannot happen with the high sides of dump trailer, but on a float, where most Xcavators are hauled, they can swing out easily.
@@wojohowitz5432 decades of hauling excavators and not only has that never happened to me I have never heard of it happening at all ever. the rotex does have locks, that is how you control its position. the entire cab and arm cannot swing unless it is broken. chaining the boom down is stupid.
@@xxxmikeyjock lol. Well I’ve seen a 300 series cat boom swing as the driver caught the edge of the road as he moved over too far for a log truck and slid down the slope sideways and had to be fished out of a pond. Shit does happen.
Curious why load the machine backwards meaning the blade is facing the rear bumper of the trailer? If it's a tongue weight thing your trailer is too small to get the weight you want on the back of your truck I get that. But if it has nothing to do it wait then I believe the correct way to load is blade first meaning the blade is closest to the truck. There's a number of reasons why for this but I think one of the main is if something happens where you lose a ramp break a ramp Bender ramp ramps get stolen whatever if you're a proficient operator you would still be able to get the excavator out of the dump trailer without ramps yeah yeah it's sketchy as poop 💩 but it can be done kind of safely. Lol A second reason is if something is going wrong while unloading you have to boom to help stabilize you on the way out and you have your blade to help stabilize you on the edge of the dump trailer. Another thing you did not discuss was if you have it putting the truck in four wheel drive putting emergency brake on using wheel chocks but anyhow all in all decent video.
@@xxxmikeyjock I never said it could not done. It's just possible that it's more difficult. Depending on the approach angle or departure angle the blade will get stuck in the dirt and if you're on concrete or asphalt you will scratch or rip up the material. So if the blade is still up in the trailer you have nice smooth tracks that are touching either dirt concrete or asphalt. Dump trailers are typically higher than equipment trailers anyhow loading blade first can just make things easier. 👍🤷♂️
I was wondering why the other videos that I watched, they loaded boom forward, and the C of G of the machine was way back, pretty much over the wheels it looked like. I like this way better.
It really depends on the weight of the machine, how its setup and how the trailer is setup. Best thing to do is to set it up and check axel weights then adjust your loading technique for the combination of equipment. An ex with a mulching head will load differently than one with a small bucket. Same with a skid steer. It will also be different for each trailer. A 14 ft with a 3 ft nose will load much differently than a 16ft with a 5 ft nose. The best thing to do is scale it and adjust.
So when a child runs out and you lock up ALL the brakes on the truck & trailer, the machine slides forward and lifts the trucks front wheels off the ground and you slam the whole rig into the vehicle next to you, or oncoming, IDIOT -
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Been hauling excavators in dump trailers with a flatbed dually for over a decade now and some things I have learned from some old timers and trailer dealers about this method of thinking is that it comes from flat beds and deck over equipment trailers. Dump trailers are built to be loaded rear heavy so they will dump their max load. it’s also necessary to take into account that the trailer gets a good portion of its payload capacity from tongue weight. for instance, a 17.5k trailer will have two 8k axles and gets the remaining 1.5k from the tongue weight of the trailer riding on the hitch of the truck. Meaning that while proper weight displacement is important, it’s easy to overload the intended tongue weight as the trailer is designed to be loaded slightly rear heavy.
Load blade forward bucket forward and articulate your boom so that the cutting edge of the bucket is touching the cutting edge of the blade and drive the machine forward until just before the back of the bucket touches the front of the trailer. This will put the cab/tracks/engine of the excavator centered over the axles and the boom and blade forward giving you the correct weight displacement.
Hey Noah: Revisiting this some months later. We've just purchased a 7600lb Kubota KX033 mini excavator. I'm picking up a dump trailer to move it later this week. (14', 14k trailer). My tow vehicle is a Max tow f150 rated up to about 12,700 lbs, max tongue weight of 1200. I'm worried about overloading the tongue. Do you suggest reorienting the machine so blade and boom are facing towards the tongue to keep center of gravity back on the trailer? I'm going use a weigh safe hitch so I should be able to get an idea of what my tongue weight is either way.
@@jj_dubs there really is no negative to over loading the tongue a bit. having it too light is deadly. you do not want the trailer determining your direction of travel or traction
@@xxxmikeyjockyour truck will disagree with this.
@@jacobbelfield9835 no it will not.
@@jj_dubsif you can afford a kx033 you definitely can drop 15k on a decent 2500 to tow the setup. Your f150 is going to hate you
Nice but your machine is a little too far forward and is not equally distributed on the dual axles. Makes for a heavy tongue weight.
which is what you want
Not on a pickup with a bolted on hitch....
This seems like way too much force is being applied to the D-rings and they could easily be ripped out of the trailer. I would like to see separate chains and binders at all 4 corners instead of all that force literally trying to rip those rings apart. Think about it. It distributes the force much more evenly. And if one fails going down the road or in panic braking the other 3 firmly hold the machine in place.
agreed
Good video. You might want to recommend ppl Chock the trailer wheels as well. It's just a simple step... no breaking the tranny pawl, nothing's going to roll up or down hill~ (btw- got the same machine, love it👍) thx-
Im assuming the hook on the 3/8th chain on the didn’t fit through the d ring but that doesn’t necessarily mean you need to go with a smaller chain, if you take one hook off the chain to run it through the d rings when you put the binder on all you need to do is put one hook on the side without a hook and the other side on the opposite side and it still works the same as using a chain with two hooks. Just an OIT if you didn’t know.
what type of truck is that?
Great work, also awesome you guys showed the proper hook points I see a lot of people running chains and straps all over random stuff that can mess up a machine and even loosen up but you guys nailed it.
Could you do a video on adding the stabilizer jacks in the back? I haven’t figured a good way to do that on my trailer.
Only some trailers have the sockets to install the Stabilizers... most don't, unfortunately 💁♂️
Great video
That's the way I do it. So much saver backing onto the trailer
What’s the length of your dump trailer? I’m looking at 35g but I don’t know if it will fit my 14ft dump trailer. It has 3 foot walls as well.
Did it fit after articulating the boom? I fit bobcat e26 in my 14’ no problem.
@@jacobbelfield9835 what about 12ft for a 30g JD
@@diegosierra1963 I wouldn’t recommend it. Youre gonna be really heavy on the tounge. Check your trailer specs first. If you have a 1 ton truck, at that point it’s all about how much can your trailer take… A 1 ton can take that payload tho
Whats the bed length on the trailer?
He said at the beginning it is 7 by 14 ft.
Good video.
Always block tires on trailer not truck. Stands or not . Some day stands will bend or go through
asphalt and away you go . Also dot. Requirements is a separate chain and binder in every corner. Also need to reposition machine, to much weight on truck.
Great video!! I would recommend that you instruct people to increase the throttle around half when operating, not under load. Running at idle puts more stress on hydraulic components
??? Are you mechanic ? I am. Myself I think he run it extremely well, and with zero stress. He’s machine is pretty well cared and would last forever I think.
These machines have variable displacement pumps, if you request less oil but some pressure the pump will provide it with zero stress, it will set itself as if it is a very small pump.
If you request too much energy at idle, the motor will not able to provide and it’s not good to do for him, but you can hear that.
I’m getting a 35 and my ramps have the same hook styles yours have. You haven’t had any issues with the ramps bending though?
everyone bends those ramps with a 35. I have found it safer to not use the ramps and just jump the mini in, but my dump trailer has low sides and I can spin the house when I am in it.
Nicely done!!
What length dump trailer is that?
7x14, 14K
Keep looking for vids that discuss the ratios of truck/Excavator/trailer weights to steer clear of CDL.
How long are those chains 25ft?
20ft
Hello, i love excavator
Chain working load limit depend on the grade of the chain. The gold chain you are using is grade 70. 5/16" grade 70 chain has a working load limit of 4700 lbs.
The mini has to b tied down even if it is in a trailer.
What dimensions is that dump trailer?
7x14x2. 14K
Copy, I got a E26 I’m trying to figure out what dump to get for it, I do tree work and need one to haul log loads with great video 🤙
What size trailer 12 or 14ft
It’s a 7 x 14ft trailer.
I can probably guess - but why do you have to also strap down the bucket?
We strap down the bucket to decrease the movement of the arm while traveling. The idea is to keep all the pins in great shape and hopefully make the machine last longer
the only reason is because the DoT requires it, it does nothing else. the bucket is on the deck so not moving
@@xxxmikeyjock DOT requires it because the turn table doesnt have a lock on it and the entire cab and arm can swing into traffic. Which of course cannot happen with the high sides of dump trailer, but on a float, where most Xcavators are hauled, they can swing out easily.
@@wojohowitz5432 decades of hauling excavators and not only has that never happened to me I have never heard of it happening at all ever. the rotex does have locks, that is how you control its position. the entire cab and arm cannot swing unless it is broken. chaining the boom down is stupid.
@@xxxmikeyjock lol. Well I’ve seen a 300 series cat boom swing as the driver caught the edge of the road as he moved over too far for a log truck and slid down the slope sideways and had to be fished out of a pond. Shit does happen.
It help not to have to short of ramps.
Why delete all but two of your video's? Came looking to ses if you guys had a new video only to find almost all video's are gone now
Curious why load the machine backwards meaning the blade is facing the rear bumper of the trailer?
If it's a tongue weight thing your trailer is too small to get the weight you want on the back of your truck I get that.
But if it has nothing to do it wait then I believe the correct way to load is blade first meaning the blade is closest to the truck.
There's a number of reasons why for this but I think one of the main is if something happens where you lose a ramp break a ramp Bender ramp ramps get stolen whatever if you're a proficient operator you would still be able to get the excavator out of the dump trailer without ramps yeah yeah it's sketchy as poop 💩 but it can be done kind of safely. Lol
A second reason is if something is going wrong while unloading you have to boom to help stabilize you on the way out and you have your blade to help stabilize you on the edge of the dump trailer.
Another thing you did not discuss was if you have it putting the truck in four wheel drive putting emergency brake on using wheel chocks but anyhow all in all decent video.
what difference does the blade direction make without ramps? I dont use ramps and always go blade towards the exit.
@@xxxmikeyjock I never said it could not done. It's just possible that it's more difficult. Depending on the approach angle or departure angle the blade will get stuck in the dirt and if you're on concrete or asphalt you will scratch or rip up the material. So if the blade is still up in the trailer you have nice smooth tracks that are touching either dirt concrete or asphalt.
Dump trailers are typically higher than equipment trailers anyhow loading blade first can just make things easier. 👍🤷♂️
5/16” Grade 70 chain - 4700 lbs .
3/8” Grade 70 chain - 6600 lbs .
I'll get that in there without the ramps.
you ALWAYS load front wards, not backwards
I was wondering why the other videos that I watched, they loaded boom forward, and the C of G of the machine was way back, pretty much over the wheels it looked like. I like this way better.
It really depends on the weight of the machine, how its setup and how the trailer is setup. Best thing to do is to set it up and check axel weights then adjust your loading technique for the combination of equipment. An ex with a mulching head will load differently than one with a small bucket. Same with a skid steer. It will also be different for each trailer. A 14 ft with a 3 ft nose will load much differently than a 16ft with a 5 ft nose. The best thing to do is scale it and adjust.
Armature hour....safest way my arse....ya can't teach people when you don't have a clue yourself....
the whole reason you use a dump trailer to move heavy equipment is so that you don't have to spend time chaining down.
So when a child runs out and you lock up ALL the brakes on the truck & trailer, the machine slides forward and lifts the trucks front wheels off the ground and you slam the whole rig into the vehicle next to you, or oncoming, IDIOT -
Exactly. Tall sides mean it can’t fall off
Really, don't get pulled over with it not chained down 🙄
Lol! Lay off the pipe. Crack kills.
Still has to be chained no matter what type of trailer
These jokers went out of business
Incorrect, just too busy for videos. Business is better and stronger than ever.
Website is up, business is going.