in the end the entire book is about one moment though. EVERYTHING before is about the moment Ender realised he sacrificed thousands of humanities bravest.. to destroy an entire species of intelligent beings who wouldnt have attacked if they had any concept that the humans werent drones....
@@charlesreid9337 There are many books in the series, this is just the first one. I believe that was what the comment was addressing in regards to the TV show
The book was insanely good. The moment Ender found out it wasn't a game, in both the movie and book brought me to tears. Especially the book because it goes into more detail about how he realized and handled killing all those fleet members.
Wait till you come to the realization that the entire trip they are killing formic colonies on their way to the formic home world to destroy them for good. Why would they have a simulation where the Formica are harvesting water from ice? That wasn’t a simulation, that’s why Graff was so confident at the end telling ender there were no other colonies when he said “how do we know that there aren’t other colonies?” He should have said “because you already wiped them out on the way here”
So true, also if I remember right in the book the drones were actually piloted and he quit in protest during one of the training sessions and purposely lost (killing how many actual pilots and soldiers?) Making the reveal that much harder hitting.
@BPapiMcP157 Yes, the extent of the national terrority determines the security of the nation. Genocide was the only way to determine the security of the planet earth. Ender was a hero for exterminating those savage beasts. They could've easily come back it had to be done
Joke's on you, you are a character in a dark comedy. Only the highlights of your light are seen. Your life is actually 90 minutes of dark comedy for an audience. The voice you hear is the real CinemaSins guy roasting the movie you are in.
My husband said when he read this book in his teen years he wanted it to be a movie, but when we saw it, he realized why it never should have been. The book has a lot of ideas that don't translate. Read the book, it's really good.
Honestly, if you view this as just a movie without comparing it to the books, I still think it was a very good movie. But everyone tried to compare it to the books when they should have known all too well that it would not live up to that ridiculously impressive standard.
@@duffle881 I agree. But any fan of these books connects with these characters so much that it's impossible to do when you see Bean in the launch group. That fact alone goes against everything that matters about the story. They didn't know that Ender could do it. They had Bean ready to step in.
Military training is brainwashing. You break the recruit's confidence and sense of self, then guide rebuilding the self with traits that permit authoritarian control. Same as any other cult.
And in the book Bonzo had 4 years, 8 inches, and 50 lbs on Ender. He was one of the biggest guys in the entire academy. He wasn't a sniveling little weasel. Before Ender came along, he was the best they had.
Yeah also idk why he kept saying Salamandar was 22-0, when they weren’t, they weren’t even undefeated. He had lost a good few, but was just on a decent winning streak when Ender joined. This movie basically ruins the story, when the book was fantastic. Then Ender’s Shadow blows your mind, making Enders Game even better. Honestly it would have taken 2 or 3 movies to do the book justice, I’m glad they didn’t do that, but it sucks that they made such a shit movie from such a good book.
I find it interesting that the concept of "nerds shunning nerds" is so foreign. Yes, nerds shun nerds, especially when ONE specific nerd is told to be better than all the other nerds. Trust me.
Hahaha.. love that one, "Sto trying to cover up the fact that this facility has the fastest and most capable seamstresses alive operating under a dark shroud of secrecy!" The magic custom fitting unis are not something I noticed when watching the movie, but the point is valid.
@@mbcommandnerd yep.. roughly 12:25 - ua-cam.com/video/_dI6vZ2Wbfo/v-deo.html Though I can't appreciate the joke as much there because I haven't seen Monsters v Aliens yet.
Kirika Yumura I saw that movie as a kid, but I only remembered a few scenes from it, so finding that video was a great refresher. The movie actually came out in 2009, so it’s 11 years old now.
The book was fucking amazing. It had the most realistic representation of space warfare I have seen, and it really took its time to dwell on the consequences of the character's actions.
I was actually named after the book. My dad read it right before I was born and really liked it. My legal name is actually Andrew but everyone calls me Ender
removing the monitor wasnt supposed to hurt, it usually doesnt but because they left enders in for so long it had formed a strong attatchment to his mind, this is explained better in the book. also the other kids dont have monitors, ender was the last of his classmates to lose his because he showed the most promise and they needed to observe him for longer, which is why his classmates didnt like him to begin with, well that and being a third. but yeah most children lost their monitors buy age 4 or 5 if i remember corecdtly. and they aged the kids up in the movie, in the book hes only 6 when he fights those other kids so the adults didnt think deadly force was something to worry about.
Wait, did they miss out the ENTIRE subplot with his brother and sister back home? Where they manipulate through online personas the political sphere until his brother becomes the Hegemon? They completely dropped that? What the Hell!?
Yes, they dropped that. It's a movie of above average lenght. To add that subplot and make it justice, there would be two or three standard feature films. And to be frankly honest, to see that subplot on film would be pretty boring. It's an awesome subplot in the book, don't get me wrong, but it doesn't translate well into visual media. It would be two hours of narration!
It was the worst part of the book. The author was giving online communications far, far too much impact. The brother and sister back home are just another of the millions of screen jockeys on the internet that are mostly ignored when they aren't being argued with.
@@thomrhode1644 Come on man you're not stupid. You know with the time constraints they never could've made a perfect copy of the book & a good one at that. I think we can all agree that a TV Show adaptation would do this series more than justice.
@cak01vej idk maybe two moibe first: make a moive about command school and ender growing up being a little badass, then set up vaintain and perters plots. Then for the seconed moive go have ender be sent to command school, let the teachers mind fuck him with work while the russians plan to run the world while peter and valintain write there shit. After thats all good sum up the moive with the end of the book. Each moive being about 3+ long. *This was a waste of time*, *please dont mind if i made any grammar mistakes*
But the training "laser tag" game was won in the book by having four people touch the corners of the door and the fifth getting through meaning you needed 5 people still "alive" to win
One helmet had to hit each corner to unlock the gate, but IIRC, Ender won one game by having 4 people frozen in perfect formation, still moving. Their helmets hit and unlocked the gate seconds before one live kid passed through.
Ghotiermann Close, but incorrect. What he actually does to win that impossible match is sacrifice nearly all of his men while quietly sending enough men towards the enemy gate to end the game without actually freezing any of the enemy's forces. It would be pretty damn cool to see Ender freeze his troops so that they hit the enemy gate perfectly to win the game, but when he intentionally freezes his troops, that's just him building the screen/formation that builds off of the idea of freezing one soldier and having another "ride" that soldier like a vehicle during a game. He experiments with freezing his own soldiers, but he never freezes them to launch them at the enemy gate and win by hoping he hits the right point so the gate properly.
Kolomajeski The hostility is unnecessary. The movie is totally fine, I liked it. No one here said anything like "the book is better than the movie," we were just talking about stuff from the book. Please contribute to the discussion or don't, it's your call, but being needlessly... Angry? Annoyed? That's doing nothing but make *your* day worse and you deserve to have a better day than that.
1:00 In the book someone DOES get killed. Ender takes the bully down permanently, though not intentionally. The one REAL sin of the movie is changing it so Dragon Army is his old friends and not complete strangers. That was the point, to see if he could whip a group of mediocre cadets into an elite fighting force. Oh, and having him meet Bean on the shuttle up to battle school when in the book, Ender didn't meet Bean until Dragon Army was formed.
Although you learn in Ender's Shadow that Bean created Dragon Army. And he specifically chose cadets/veterans whose personality/combat style best complemented Ender's. They were the best, not mediocre at all, but they had been underutilized by the adults in charge because they didn't fit the stereotype of a genius child soldier.
@@Aaron-vy6lb Yes, but that is a spoiler for the (never made) Ender's Shadow movie (I seriously wish the studio had gone with the director's desire to film scenes for Ender's Shadow while they were filming Ender's Game so the kid actors would be the right age, and had followed up with Ender's Shadow.) in Ender's Game, even the reader is led to believe they were stacking the deck against him. And they were still, as I said, people he had never worked with, including Bean.
@Vishal Jindal Written before, maybe, but Ender's Shadow actually occurs during the exact same time period as Ender's Game, and follows Bean as the main character instead of Ender. It turns out a lot was happening behind the scenes that Ender never knew about.
In the books he killed like two or three bullies. One was the first one on Earth, and for sure the one that attacked him in the shower. They never told him until the end because they didn't want to make him think he was a killer.
I think one of the biggest problems the movie had was they did not communicate the passing of time very well. Like AkaHimself said it spans several years but the movie makes it seem like months.
TrueChaoSclx So what does it matter how long it took? You get the point, Ender was taken from his home to train as a star fleet commander which was physically and mentally stressful. That's it.
I remember reading Ender's Game for the first time and getting to the end, and me realizing what was happening, it was breathtaking. Hands down one of the best twists ever
I'm guessing you've never read the book... and you didn't watch this video either. Basically, the "simulations" that he has been commanding all this time were real missions with real people, and the final mission where he blew up the Buggers (the aliens) home work sacrificed a ton of human lives and he essentially committed genocide (and he is horrified by that)
Will Schiller I've seen the movie, but what I've been reading is that the ending in the movie was different from the book. I also didn't quite understand what was going on in the movie, it's been a few years since I've seen it.
In terms of the the general ending, it is similar, yes, but there are some things left out. I haven't read the book in a long time, but it is significantly better - I recommend you read it.
@ I interpreted this guy's message as "The reason why teachers let that happened is already told" One thing I know though is you must not help those who can help themselves or they will not become what they could be, better. Sadly we don't know the balance... yet.
@@Lukecash2 for the most part. As a whole and on average, humans need community and relationships but there have been many instances through history of one great figure or another remaining completely isolated from their peers. The argument to be made for doing it to ender is that they believe him to be the be all, end all tactician, nobody, not even the other geniuses of the battle school, not even mazer Rackham himself compares. To allow him to more thoroughly bond with his team members, it creates some degree of dependence upon each other. In most instances this is a good thing, but to a degree it's always been believed true that if you bond a better and worse pair of people, the inferior one will grow better for the bonding, while the greater has a good chance of being held back. They couldn't afford to have ender held back by relying on anything other than his own unparalleled tactical brilliance.
I don't know... they could both be good team names. Centipedes are very venomous and rats are known survivors. For armies they could be associated with worse traits than being deadly or being survivors.
@@cap.deanmarcelwinchester don't know if you were replying to my original comment or not, but it is confirmed at the end of chapter 12 that Ender killed stilton (the bully) there.
I will say that a good half of the "sins" ("painting the target," singling out Ender) were intentionally written into the book. The military's whole goal during the book was to separate and alienate him from the rest of his peers. ALSO he did actually kill that guy in the beginning of the movie in the book.
The book was written in 1985 by Orson Scott Card and was ahead of it's time. The movie attempts to follow it pretty strictly within the 2 hour time frame. Blaming it for ripping of other films made after 1985 seems unfair to me.
6:34 In the book, Ender had hacked (I guess that would be the word for it) the school computers, and made an account whose name he could change, so in the book when that scene happens, Ender changed that accounts name to Bernards name to make it look like he was insulting himself. (or something along those lines, it was a while since I read the book) Edit: the chat system was in the book too, the point is it wasn't meant to be anonymized.
@@Coldyham There's also a part of the book where he gets direct access to the chat system used by the teachers after hacking into it, so he's used Bernard, GOD, and [ ] as names in classes.
My wife watched the movie without having read the book and cried for what they did to Ender. I would say despite the deviations from the book they still got crux of the story across.
@@michaelmiller5177 Thanks for replying. I know I just finished the book, so I get that a lot of things are missing and the time period is much shorter in the movie. I was just confused why he called it a lie.
@@matthaeus428 if you enjoyed Enders Game, I would highly recommend the Shadow series for you. The rest of the Ender books are very good, the Shadow books are better.
@@matthaeus428 What he said would also be true if you watched the movie first and then read the book, or read the book a second time, etc. They lie to Ender, the book/movie "lies" to the reader/viewer. He just means the reveal is spoiled after the first time, and you won't believe Ender is playing a game if you read/watch again so it can't hit you as hard when they finally tell him. I also read the book first and I thought the movie did a fine job of a summary in two hours for whatever that is worth.
I havent read the book yet but the movie felt pretty underwhelming IMO. The protagonist feels a bit too overpowered and cliche at the beginning for me. Feels like he didnt progress at all throughout the movie :/
Imagine if the actors were the actual ages of the kids in the book. 6 year old Ender inadvertently killing that bully in the start. But I get why they're older -- good child actors are really hard to come by.
I feel like it would have been so much better if they actually did have a younger impact in the movie he doesn't even really seem like the genius he's supposed to be
If you listen to the audiobook of the movie, OSC talks about trying to get the movie going and how hard it is to get genius level children of that age to even engage in the actions that the book presents.
Will Koons "If you listen to the audiobook of the movie, OSC talks about trying to get the movie going and how hard it is to get genius level children of that age to even engage in the actions that the book presents." What, Mormonism? Not surprised, lol.
I like how you didn't sin the "Well, down is relative in space" when the reference point is the ship, and is what the captain is obviously talking about.
He was. The book progressed over the course of years, with Ender being 12 at the end (if I remember correctly). It's just easier to make a movie if the character is the same age all the way through instead of trying to find multiple boys between the ages of 6-14 that look similar.
Yes, but I think the fact that he WAS 6 in the beginning of the book was bs. Especially because all of the boys acted at least ten... Card really should have made them older
baby girl lmao same I read it in 6th grade I remember I was good for most the book (not understanding most the symbolism but getting the plot) and then the ending happened and I was like ????????????
That is funny, that is VERY funny, cuz in a month or so when Infinity War comes out, I bet money you kids will be like "Oooh, that was the shit!" Nevermind, that it'll fail to measure up to the Infinity Gauntlet story.
+Parker I'm just making an observation about how you point out this movie's failure to stack up to the book, even though I've heard next to nothing about how Marvel films fail to come close to the comic books. Yeah, the film probably doesn't do the book justice, what movie based on a book or any material does? Yet, you're fine with Marvel; it just feels like you ppl hold every other sci-fi/action movie up to the standard of 30 min. Disney merchandise commercials.
Derek Bates Your argument is misunderstood and fundamentally broken. 1: You’re assuming I like Marvel movies. I don’t. 2: I was saying how IN 6TH GRADE which was about 6 years ago for me I read Enders game for the first time and was confused by the ending, didn’t even mention the movie.
Sin #51 "Why would a programmer ever allow the mouse to crawl into the giant's eye?" That's actually a plot point in the books; the programmers DIDN'T program that. A sentient computer program named "Jane" created by the Formics/Buggers did, in a roundabout way of befriending Ender after they collectively agreed to die as penance for murdering what they didn't realize were sentient lifeforms. In their society, the workers/soldiers are telepathically controlled by the Queens, and a worker being killed is about as unethical as getting your hair cut. When they found Humanity, they thought that killing all the humans was just like cutting fingernails and war was mostly a greeting of sorts, and when Rackham killed a Queen, then and only then did they realize that humans were actually upset at the death of billions, and eventually concluded that every human actually was a just as sentient as a Queen. As penance, they basically allowed Ender to all but exterminate themselves (they'd defend themselves to the death but NEVER attack humans again). However, they didn't want to go entirely extinct, so they tried to reach out to Ender through Jane, but by the time Ender found out about everything, it was too late. Instead, Jane ends up being used to guide Ender to the last Queen egg, to bring the Formics/Buggers back from extinction when he was ready to.
Jane didn't come around until after people started forming now colonies (speaker of the Dead book she is first brought up) While talking about how she come to be, she just appired and while looking around she found an advance computer program, one more advance then she was at the time (her words) so she added it to her system. While looking at it she found more then half memory was to the one game for Ender and then wanted to find him.
Almost every sin is explained in the books. There is a reason behind the madness. Like grown ups just looking how children murdered each other in name of saving humanity that wasn't really in danger. These sins make me want to read the books again.
@@dirkvandaele4466 he does this ALL the time it drives me bonkers. He claims he read the first one though so many of his sins absolutely have explanations i just feel like he’s taking the piss or really doesn’t understand the plots of some movies
4:30 actually, you have 2 minutes to get fully dressed in cammies for marine boot camp. And about the same time to make your rack and about 1 minute to hit the head and brush your teeth. So actually, 10 minutes is extremely generous.
Dark Lietenant True. That way you don't have to do that stupid "look left, look right. Put on your boot socks and make sure the recruit next to you is awake".
Love the book, the movie is okay. I'm mainly annoyed at the super fast pacing and the wussification of Petra. But I guess movies need a romance plot for some reason.
Exactly my thoughts! Now I don`t have to leave a long comment on the video! haha but seriously, the book is so much better! to me the two best parts of the story were the brilliant pacing and the believable and drastic character development primarily in Ender as he grew from a boy to a man. The book went on for years and by the end I felt as though things that happened in the battle school were literally years ago. This was due to how it was paced and how much the characters grew.
Yes, the bullying IS intentionally ignored. It's explained in the book. Yes, you can be a genius and still be a bully. In fact, many geniuses are somewhat anti-social. As for the uniforms - Ender is a standard size. All "wardrobe" had to do was slap his name on a new set of uniforms. Since Col. Graff was the person reassigning Ender when he was promoted, of course he had whomever was in charge of the uniforms alerted before Ender received his instructions. It was Bean who was too small for the regular sizes.
@@MegaZeta Movies do not have to explain everything to you, many things are left unexplained and it isn't a bad thing. In this one you are not supposed to know that they are intentionally allowing the bullying and watching Ender until later on, you are supposed to be as confused as the kids are. Where the movie messed up is not dropping a few more clues later on about that. Either way the movie is fine and the plot is fine without that information, maybe they are just inept teachers or maybe there is a reason, you don't know and you don't need to know but once you get to the end and find out that they picked him for a reason and he was actually leading the fight and destroyed all Formics you start piecing together these things on your own. The movie was not great but it didn't treat you like an idiot that needed everything spelled out like many others movie do.
If ever a movie needed a montage... I mean movies over utilize montages all the damn time and this movie couldn’t spare a training montage or better yet, a montage of dragon army winning?
To be honest, with the books I reached a point when I either arced my eyebrow or just outright laughed at how ridiculous they were pushing "Ender's torment". I mean, I know he is suposed to be this enduring tactical genius, but at the end of the first book he came as a gary stu. At least for me. I didn't feel like reading the rest after that. The reveal was really good, though. What's fair is fair.
@@nicholassampson5804 Not a bad book at all just not a realistic world, which sci fi has the full right to explore sometimes to look at weird ideas like this one. It's more of a young adult book but it's still pretty brilliant for the ideas it presents.
If you like the reveal of the end of this book, you’ll love the second book Ender’s Shadow. Its the story of Bean, which is 1000x more crazy than Enders life. It’s pretty awesome how they hid Beans entire story into the first book when it ends up being so important.
Every morning... Wouldn't you want to set you alarm earlier then after the third time it happened to you? Especially as cadets are expected to have their room in tiptop shape before leaving it. Just wondering
@@chany6336 in most cases you are not allowed to have an alarm. The whole point of boot camp/ officer school is that you become a cog that plays by the rules. Taking away control and perception of time is unfortunately part of that. Edit: said are instead of are not
@@chany6336 in Polish army you clean and sort your bed after morning physical training just before shaving and cleaning yourself and before breakfast. We had 10 minutes after 6am wake up to go outside. Well, at least that how it was when i served 19 years ago.
@@makingitwithnick To be clear, an intelligent cog that can be relied upon to mesh smoothly with all of the other cogs, so that the machine as a whole operates properly. One of the purposes of boot camp is to be as mentally demanding as possible, to weed out those who can not function under stress or who are just plain idiots. Hopefully, the process washes them out before they are placed in a situation where lives depend upon their acting intelligently in a stressful environment. Experience has shown that this process is not always successful...
I stopped halfway through Book 3. Read the first one in '99. The second one with the pig people in '00, followed by the third that I never finished. Lost interest. Never read Shadow.
Xenocide and Children of the Mind are such slogs to sit through. The Ender's Shadow series is so much more interesting. Also, I'd suggest the mid-quel Ender in Exile, it was better than Speaker for the Dead imo
1337er Star Boy hey i just started the first book and i have only a few pages left. That's the readon why i thought i gonna watch this. In which order should i read the books?
Valentin S. Read them in release order, probably, but so long as you read Ender's Game first and you read every mini-series in order (i.e. don't read Earth Awakens before you read Earth Unaware and Earth Afire), you'll be fine. irllcd13, you NEED to read the Ender's Shadow mini-series. It is personally the best of the lot (not saying that the others aren't rather good too, though. I'd probably agree with 1337er Star Boy's sentiment, so continue with Ender in Exile instead of Speaker for the Dead).
Honestly? Almost any way you want. Just make sure you read the Ender's Shadow series before you read Ender in Exile, though you can read the rest of the main Ender series (Speaker for the Dead, Xenocide, and Children of the Mind) first if you want. Ender in Exile, while being a mid-quel, has little bearing on the previously-published Ender's Game sequels. You can also read the two Formic Wars series at any point (though the Second Formic War trilogy is ongoing).
@@LevonBlueoak not a clone. A brother. The scientist took eggs from the mother and sperm from the father. He fertilized the eggs and modified the genes to boost their intelligence. When the authorities found the lab, he had all the infants eliminated, but Bean managed to hide in a toilet tank. Ironically he’d become his own brother’s best friend at Battle School before they even learned about their relation
@@TaggedByTim true, but precision would be a problem if one leg isnt performing as well as the other, and that effect would be amplified in micro gravity because it takes longer to hit another surface to correct the mistake
11:26 -you said you read the book. Must’ve been a while ago. The rankings are based off of average performance, so they placed first because nearly all of their men weren’t frozen and they demolished the other team.
You must be new to this channel ;) If it's not explained in the movie, it's a sin, regardless of the book. Movies should not rely on audiences having read the source material
There were lots of sins that I thought weren't deserved because I've read this book so many times that the answers seemed obvious. But the movie was still awful and wrong, wanted something good without the hand holding.
and Peggy The main problem, for me, with the book is that it talked about stuff on Earth like the Hegemon and Peter/Valentine's political stuff, but it never really fit with Ender's experiences and I didn't understand at all what was happening there. I like that the movie never touched on it. Then again, I don't watch Rick and Morty.
Bannerlord Hype Train I know, but its cheesiness deserves this, it was mentioned in the video, amd the book that was being satirized by the film is something that inspired a lot of modern military based sci fi media....including gems like aliens.
there is few more books in the series such as: "Speaker for the Dead", "Xenocide", "Children of the Mind", "Ender in Exile", "Ender's Shadow". This 5 is a core. You can read them in the order written - Ender's Game, Speaker for the Dead, Xenocide, Children of the Mind, then Ender's Shadow, Shadow of the Hegemon, Shadow Puppets, Shadow of the Giant. Or you can read them in chronological order of story beginnings, which is Ender's Shadow, Ender's Game, Shadow of the Hegemon, Shadow Puppets, Shadow of the Giant, Speaker for the Dead, Xenocide, Children of the Mind. I was reading them in this order: Ender Game, Ender exile, Speaker of the Dead, Xenocide, Children of the Mind. This last too need to be in this order because of the reason stated below. But in truth it doesn't matter, except that you should read Xenocide right before Children of the Mind, since they are really two halves of a single continuous story. In most of my books, I include all the information you need. Ur welcome!
Haha, yeah that's the first thing I noticed too when I saw him in the movie. I was like "...is...is that Rico?" And don't get me wrong, he played the character greatly in this, but I couldn't help but hear "Heeeyooooo" every scene XD
The biggest sin here is trying to take a book as in depth and detailed as Ender's Game was and condense it down to a two hour movie. Ender spent years at the battle school before becoming commander of Dragon Army. The movie would have you believe it was just a matter of weeks. What was it, a year between battle school and command school? And then months and dozens of 'simulated' battles before the final battle? I did enjoy the movie but only because I have read the book and knew the massive amount of information and story that was left out. This book to movie needed to be a trilogy at least. And for those that have read the book, also read Ender's Shadow if you haven't. It is the same story told from Bean's perspective.
I grudgingly accept this movie adaption. Given the source material, this was....alright. Should have been a multi-film adaptation tho. I say this having read ALL of both the Ender’s series and the Ender’s Shadow series.
Screw the movie format at all, this should be a tv series like game of thrones is. THAT would be an awesome series if it started chronologically from the start of the first war. First season would be asteroid mining in a competetive environment.
i assumed it was because if they wanted it to be true to the book they'd have to do it in the style of that movie boyhood or whatever where they followed the actor for years of his actual life, unless they could find like 3 people between the ages of 6 and 12 who could pass as the same person. that would be an act of witchcraft on the part of the casting department.
Would it really have been that hard for the movie to take,place over the course of 10 years, like the book? It just feels unrealistic to have Ender rise through the ranks this fast.
They were looking at leadership and tactics and reasoning and positioning in a 3D environment with no reference directions. Even after Ender realized "the enemy's gate is down", because directions from outside reference points were arbitrary and could be dismissed, Bean noticed that Ender still naturally tended to align himself to the direction the corridor was oriented. Breaking the ingrained habits of a world based on gravity to think, feel, position, maneuver, and battle in a weightless environment is not easy. Look at just how many space battles in fiction have fleets lined up on a plane, sharing an orientation which has absolutely no basis in reality or tactical thought. Those patterns need to be trained out, and the battle school was the way to do that.
What book gets damn right is about importance of learned patterns. And how video games can change that. I used to laugh about such idea... however it is correct one.
At first I thought you were sinning kiwis and my sudden patriotic nature kicked in before I realized i'm not american and I don't really care if we get dissed as long as no one mentions sheep lol
No, the books ruined Bean. Ender's Game barely touches on Bean. Bean did play a bigger part in Ender's Game, but there is a lot of content to the books, and the movie is about Ender, not Bean. In theory, had the movie been more successful, there might have possibly been a Bean related series. That said, the books covering Bean I think are so significantly relevant to world events today. The rise of Putin, the caliphate that ISIS began to unite the Arab world, etc.
the main problem of the movie is it has to cram the entire book into an at most 3 hour format and so had to cut out almost everything that happened at the battle school in order to rush to the end.
The movie would have been great if it had an extended edition or directors cut - it goes way too fast for what it's trying to show.
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10:56...oh, in the book, they had LOTS of battles before that, and MOST of them were rigged to give the other team an advantage! and Ender thought from the beginning that Formations were stupid, and concentrated on having his team fight as 5 sub-teams attacking from different directions. note that most "armies" had only 4 sub-teams...
I remember reading this book a while back, rather enjoyed it, too. I have to say, though, if they'd really done the book justice, about half these sins wouldn't be here. Yes, I know, it's a movie and they have to cut things down. Personally, I'm having to stop myself from explaining half the things sinned as they do, actually, have explanations that just weren't included. These are still 'valid' sins, after all; this video is sinning the movie, not the story. Even if there are valid explanations, not including them is a 'sin' even unto itself.
Belias Phyre well thats the reason from a storytelling standpoint But why would they lie to them about this? It doesnt achieve anything except making the children distrust the adults, which can't be good P.S I have not watched this movie or read the book so maybe it is explained
Crimson assassin, That's the story in a nutshell. The adults isolate and torture the battle school cadets to force them to rely only on their own ability to command. If the adults ever stepped in to help or punish, then the kids wouldn't develop the self reliance needed to lead. That's the theory at least presented through this book, and the repercussions of doing so. The movie didn't do such a good job of illustrating it. The teachers don't step in to break up the fight between Stilson and Ender purposely, or to save Ender from Peter, or from Bernard, or Bonzo, all because they are trying to foster his self reliance. At the end of the book, Graff (Harrison Ford's Character) is court martialed for all this abuse, and the deaths of Stilson and Bonzo. Still is a decent movie adaption of the book, and doesn't ruin too much, just alters for convenience. My biggest complaint is Bean is Ender's biggest contender for Commander, and the movie turns him into just another brat.
I've been in the military.. 10 minutes before PT is one thing, but literally everything else you have more time. Unless they throw a fucking CS canister in your tent. Then you better get the hell up. Or sleep with a mask on.
@@diy_cat9817 Onboard a US Navy ship, 10 minutes from the sounding of the "General Quarters" alarm should find you at your GQ station ready for combat. 15 minutes should have all hatches required for full watertight integrity closed, and that fact reported to Damage Control Central. At this point the ship is considered 100% ready for combat. That extra 5 minutes is, in part, to allow for those who were on watch to be relieved by the GQ watchstander and make it to THEIR GQ stations. For example, I might have the generator watch in the engine room. I need to wait for the person who stands that watch during GQ to relieve me. I then haul ass to the IC/Gyro Room...my GQ station. This allows the person who had THAT watch to REALLY hustle off to HIS assigned GQ station. This is not really as much of a time-waster as it sounds like. As soon as GQ is sounded, I start down the GQ checklist, configuring the generator switchboards for GQ, bringing up generators in standby, etc. while I am waiting to be relieved. My relief arrives, quickly runs down the checklist until he gets to the point where I am at, then relieves me and continues down the list. The person who was on watch in the IC/Gyro room is busy aligning the switchboards there to combat configuration while waiting for me to arrive. I do the same review/relieve routine. After I relieve him, he will get to his assigned GQ station to find that his alternate has been busy getting things ready there. It's all prep and training. Last thing you do before you go to bed is to neatly place your clean folded uniform for the next day under your mattress, eliminating the need to for 6-12 guys all trying to access their lockers at the same time. You determine in advance how to get to your GQ station from those locations where you might be when the GQ alarm goes off. You ensure that all watchstanders are familiar with what needs to happen at that watchstation if GQ is sounded so they can get things rolling. You make it a point to push junior sailors to become watch-qualified as quickly as they are competent to do so....then continue pushing for them to learn OTHER people's watches as well. Given some thought, you will probably agree that some things were much the same for a soldier or Marine. If you needed it for combat, it was on your person or within reach. You had an MOS. Was that ALL you could do if you needed to? If the assigned driver was a no-show and shit was inbound, did you wait for the driver or move the truck..or at least start it so it was warmed up and had air pressure on the brakes so it could be moved? Did you wait for "somebody else" to arrive, or did you do what you could when you could to support the mission? Sorry if this sounds like "Sarge lecture #215". Some things ARE much the same. I left the Navy as a 2nd class Petty Officer....That's an E-5 everywhere else...
The fact the movie skips over the months long mental deterioration of ender commanding dragon army is criminal. By the time he’s facing two teams at once it’s his last battle and he does it because he doesn’t care anymore. He just wanted to go out with a bang. Never expected it to work but it did. Fuck man this movie does no justice
The books don't even make sense like this dumb kid tries to save the universe for some bugs and becomes a myth, like congrats he played himself to a boring life.
Imagine how amazing this movie could've been if they stuck closer to the source material. Maybe one day we can actually get the movie the book deserves.
There's a point in the Audiobook for this where he talks about this movie while it's in production, It's been years since I heard it but one thing he says is that it's already in the best format possible: a book.
The book itself is not very long but everything in the book is important, and thats why this movie fails. Because it cuts out so much of what makes ender actually do what he does.
The book does a much better job at explaining the reasons behind why the computer program does what it does and why the adults allow the bullying. I starting reading this book series last year and just finished the third. If you haven't read it, I highly recommend it.
Even the movie explains why the adults allow the bullying - heck, even the Sins video explains it! "he can never be allowed to believe that anyone will come to rescue him" (or words to that effect).
I 100% agree. I read them all a couple years ago, and let me just say, the second, third, and fourth books are all one massive connected story, while Enders Game is essentially all backstory. Honestly one of my favorite series. Movie, although good, doesn’t represent the book as well as it could have.
Yeah, I can hardly consider the bullying a sin with it being a part of the plot. It is of course a moral dilemma, and that is actually a big part of the concept behind the book. And in the book both kids die.
10:35 In Ender's Shadow, it explained that Bean hack into the school system so it "randomly" picked the rest of the Dragon Army along with him (Which was picked by Graff). This movie showed why this should be a TV series or at least make it into a trilogy because there are SO MUCH things happening in the background. And then A LOT of the book happened internally which makes it very difficult to translate them on screen.
Bean was not on Ender's launch ship, Bean would be way smaller, hell, Bean doesn't even meet Ender for a long time. Valentine would be younger This angers me
Ender's Shadow was the only book in the series I read. I was tempted to read the others, then I found out what a bag of shit Orson Scott Card is, and refuse to support him in any way.
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Diego Hernandez you're a fucking idiot did you not read the fucking comment or are you just too fucking stupid to understand What the fuck you just fucking read you fucking idiot
They are not drones, in the books it states that they are sending commands to pilots in squadrons, thats why Ender cries at the end because he realises how many people he just sent to their deaths, Human AND Formic
+Random Demon -- Unfortunately, the movie got gun-shy about this detail. Graf explicitly says the fighters are drones being controlled remotely. Only the carriers have human crews. I haven't read the book in years, but the first time I got to the twist, I went back and re-read about Petra and Dink burning out. All the other kids were squadron commanders. They were the ones hearing the dying screams of their pilots and were under strict orders not to talk to Ender about it. And they all knew he'd never be able to live with himself if they told him. And that without him many more pilots would die. So they didn't tell him. _Petra was the oldest. She was _*_sixteen._*
Brandon F. Do they? I was in the Navy and the only Xbox controllers I ever saw were used to play video games. Ive taken courses on drones and other intel gathering methods as well and there was never any mention of that. Given the equipment I've seen, Im skeptical of the U.S. militry using anything from this century.
Having NOT read the book before I watched the movie, I still can attest this was the first plot twist that ACTUALLY got me. For whatever the movie is to be judged at, let it be. But it's one freaking heck of a story.
What are you talking about? So you happened to refresh the subscription page to find the video uploaded, that is called coincidence....also, if you had notifications enabled, you wouldn't have to refresh the subs to see if anything new popped up.
Movie would have been way better if they had focused more on Enders shadow and beans story than Enders game. As much as I loved Enders game it's a internal monologue narrative that does not translate to film, card so much as said this. That's why we got this mix match film based off the two books with timelines messed up and huge sections removed. The only way this movie makes sense is if you read the book, and if you did this encroaches on eragon levels of bad.
orangeandblack5 it’s a two part story because of the books. I read Enders shadow too and it was really good. You need to read the book version of this and the book Enders shadow. Both really good
Def needed at least 3 Movies to tell the story properly. It needed a rewrite... they prob could of done the movies from beans prospective and it would of been better.
>standing at parade rest when a superior is addressing them >autoguiding during a formation run >eyeballing the TI >flight commander running in a position where he doesn’t have a good view of his people >not breaking 90 degrees during push-ups B O I O I
As someone who has read three books from the ender's saga and three from the shadow saga, I have got to say that's is quite a good movie. You can see that it was very well adapted to be a movie and people who hasn't read the books will understand (as you said). But, this movie has some of the details that I didn't catch the first time I saw the movie. I like a lot this saga and recommend it to anyone who is thinking of reading it. (But I can't blame for the movie sins, I enjoyed the video)
The movie nails the action down in a way that is just so amazing, the butcheries story isn’t that great. Losing so much of Beans perspective from the Shadow saga and Enders siblings being cut for the story is awful, I can understand why, It’d be several seasons long in a TV series to cover it all but almost every sim in this episode was covered or explained in the books
Finally someone who acknowledges this movies solid-ness. It's nothing groundbreaking or astounding, but it's a decent sci-fi flick that I feel is pretty underrated. And this is coming from someone who read the book before watching it, I still think it's good. Not fantastic, not bad, just an above average film.
This movie didn't deserve to bomb. Ender's Shadow should've been made. Gavin Hood did say in an interview he wanted to shoot this and Ender's Shadow back to back but Lionsgate didn't want to take that big a gamble. Plus, it did have some competition along the way including I think Catching Fire. Anyone agree/disagree?
This movie had been in the works since the very early 2000s. They originally had tapped the kid who played Anakin in the Phantom Menace to play Ender. I had been following the production of this film since they first announced it. Card initially said that he would rather not make the film than let the kids be teenagers. He folded to get his movie made. Should of waited that shit out like Terry Brooks did. Get yourself a tv show.
The movie felt like the exact same scene played over three times. Kid learns to play chess, beats a dude, then plays chess with people, beats the other team, then plays chess with spaceships, beats the other team.
It did deserve to bomb, it was a shitty adaptation of a great book, a shitty movie in and of itself and it made no money. Lionsgate was smart not to dump all that money into back to back filming.
You mentioned it being odd that there was a program to dive into the giant’s eye, or to see the queen, but when he first logged on, it said it is cerebrally controlled. Everything in the game is driven by his mind
Sins for isolating THE COMMANDER. They isolated him because they didn’t want him to be attached to those serving under him. Sometimes I really can’t deal with these sins.
All the times he says “nearly killed someone” about that first scene: he actually did kill him, and they didn’t tell ender until the end of the book
The book doesn't matter.
John S wrong, the movie doesn’t matter. The book wasn’t shitty
@@jackrusso4700 Ohhhh.
@@Walking654 you know that "the book doesn't matter" is a cinemasins thing right? They're judging JUST the movie, so the book doesn't matter.
He said that he read the book so he knows
"is this a thing? Nerds that shun other nerds?"
Have you ever been on the internet before?
betapi the inferior shut up, nerd.
Yes? It’s book nerds vs movie nerds.
Thomas Muir its comic vs manga vs video game vs tech vs movie vs book vs.....
Person: Is a weeb
Also that person: lol look at that fuckin weeb
the current like count is 666 the perfect amount
Probably would have made a decent TV show given the actual story lasted more than a decade
in the end the entire book is about one moment though. EVERYTHING before is about the moment Ender realised he sacrificed thousands of humanities bravest.. to destroy an entire species of intelligent beings who wouldnt have attacked if they had any concept that the humans werent drones....
@@charlesreid9337 exactly. That moment was one of the best plot twists I've ever read
You could have made a whole series out of the time spent as speaker
@@charlesreid9337 There are many books in the series, this is just the first one. I believe that was what the comment was addressing in regards to the TV show
đ xenophobia much?
The book was insanely good. The moment Ender found out it wasn't a game, in both the movie and book brought me to tears. Especially the book because it goes into more detail about how he realized and handled killing all those fleet members.
Wait till you come to the realization that the entire trip they are killing formic colonies on their way to the formic home world to destroy them for good. Why would they have a simulation where the Formica are harvesting water from ice? That wasn’t a simulation, that’s why Graff was so confident at the end telling ender there were no other colonies when he said “how do we know that there aren’t other colonies?” He should have said “because you already wiped them out on the way here”
So true, also if I remember right in the book the drones were actually piloted and he quit in protest during one of the training sessions and purposely lost (killing how many actual pilots and soldiers?) Making the reveal that much harder hitting.
@@makingitwithnick I think he's overreacting that genocide was perfectly acceptable to protect humanity. Those pilots knew the risks of their jobs
@BPapiMcP157 I'd be proud
@BPapiMcP157 Yes, the extent of the national terrority determines the security of the nation. Genocide was the only way to determine the security of the planet earth. Ender was a hero for exterminating those savage beasts. They could've easily come back it had to be done
I watch CINEMA SINS so much that sometimes I hear his voice mocking me in my every day life
You need help.
Same
every time I do or see a stupid act committed in real life, his voice pops up
That's the "Too much" point.
Joke's on you, you are a character in a dark comedy. Only the highlights of your light are seen. Your life is actually 90 minutes of dark comedy for an audience. The voice you hear is the real CinemaSins guy roasting the movie you are in.
"What animal do they resemble?"
"Ants."
"Which have?"
... hundreds of unique characteristics.
LITERALLY WHAT I SAID
I would have gone with "not enough mass to die from the impact of falling from great heights"
And their queen is only a tiny portion of their hive mind, just the egg laying part.
Man, I was going to go with "Layers" too...
Toby Knight yeah but nothing that unique
My husband said when he read this book in his teen years he wanted it to be a movie, but when we saw it, he realized why it never should have been. The book has a lot of ideas that don't translate. Read the book, it's really good.
They should have at least added what peter and valintine did while ender was at battle school
Honestly, if you view this as just a movie without comparing it to the books, I still think it was a very good movie. But everyone tried to compare it to the books when they should have known all too well that it would not live up to that ridiculously impressive standard.
Then how did it get translated to paper, lol?
@@Darkside8062 boo😐
@@duffle881 I agree. But any fan of these books connects with these characters so much that it's impossible to do when you see Bean in the launch group. That fact alone goes against everything that matters about the story. They didn't know that Ender could do it. They had Bean ready to step in.
"You insult your recruits before you even explain what the game is"
Yeah, that's the military. Haha
In military you insult the recruits before insulting them.
Military training is brainwashing. You break the recruit's confidence and sense of self, then guide rebuilding the self with traits that permit authoritarian control. Same as any other cult.
As an army vet myself, I can confirm this
And in the book Bonzo had 4 years, 8 inches, and 50 lbs on Ender. He was one of the biggest guys in the entire academy. He wasn't a sniveling little weasel. Before Ender came along, he was the best they had.
Bonzo was not the best. Salamander army was described as simply “better than average,” but not the best.
@@sheenee2192 The whole group was average, but iirc Bonzo was supposed to be a badass comparatively
The book explains that the adults intentionally gave him an inferior commander (bonzo) to see how he'd adjust
Yeah also idk why he kept saying Salamandar was 22-0, when they weren’t, they weren’t even undefeated. He had lost a good few, but was just on a decent winning streak when Ender joined. This movie basically ruins the story, when the book was fantastic. Then Ender’s Shadow blows your mind, making Enders Game even better. Honestly it would have taken 2 or 3 movies to do the book justice, I’m glad they didn’t do that, but it sucks that they made such a shit movie from such a good book.
I kinda loved Bonzo's obvious Napolean complex.
I find it interesting that the concept of "nerds shunning nerds" is so foreign. Yes, nerds shun nerds, especially when ONE specific nerd is told to be better than all the other nerds. Trust me.
nerd
Nerd
dreN
ForeverLaxx nerd....
Nerd culture still a very aggressive and competitive culture- just a bit different, yah
Hahaha.. love that one, "Sto trying to cover up the fact that this facility has the fastest and most capable seamstresses alive operating under a dark shroud of secrecy!"
The magic custom fitting unis are not something I noticed when watching the movie, but the point is valid.
Kirika Yumura That’s like his Taylor Swift comment on Monsters vs. Aliens. Go watch that video and then prove me wrong.
@@mbcommandnerd yep.. roughly 12:25 - ua-cam.com/video/_dI6vZ2Wbfo/v-deo.html
Though I can't appreciate the joke as much there because I haven't seen Monsters v Aliens yet.
Kirika Yumura I saw that movie as a kid, but I only remembered a few scenes from it, so finding that video was a great refresher. The movie actually came out in 2009, so it’s 11 years old now.
The book was fucking amazing. It had the most realistic representation of space warfare I have seen, and it really took its time to dwell on the consequences of the character's actions.
Considering we've never seen space warfare, how do we define realistic in this situation?
@@jaynovak6837
Accurately reflecting the laws of physics in regards to three dimensional, zero gravity combat.
I was actually named after the book. My dad read it right before I was born and really liked it. My legal name is actually Andrew but everyone calls me Ender
@@endertobias1908 can I call you bozo, thanks
@@skuxx4670 I mean I guess.
"Also, this movie's been going on for 7 minutes, and it's been 80% ass-beatings so far"
Tbf that's still less than the book.
removing the monitor wasnt supposed to hurt, it usually doesnt but because they left enders in for so long it had formed a strong attatchment to his mind, this is explained better in the book. also the other kids dont have monitors, ender was the last of his classmates to lose his because he showed the most promise and they needed to observe him for longer, which is why his classmates didnt like him to begin with, well that and being a third. but yeah most children lost their monitors buy age 4 or 5 if i remember corecdtly. and they aged the kids up in the movie, in the book hes only 6 when he fights those other kids so the adults didnt think deadly force was something to worry about.
I sincerely appreciate that you took off sins for the plot twist. Because I definitely agree it's one of the best plot twists I've ever experienced.
Wait, did they miss out the ENTIRE subplot with his brother and sister back home? Where they manipulate through online personas the political sphere until his brother becomes the Hegemon? They completely dropped that? What the Hell!?
Yes, they dropped that.
It's a movie of above average lenght.
To add that subplot and make it justice, there would be two or three standard feature films.
And to be frankly honest, to see that subplot on film would be pretty boring.
It's an awesome subplot in the book, don't get me wrong, but it doesn't translate well into visual media.
It would be two hours of narration!
@@MrDanAng1 sounds like a space version of house of cards. It would be badass in my opinion.
That was in other, later novels. For the most part, anyway.
Could you elaborate just a bit more? How was the brother manipulated? I never read the books.
It was the worst part of the book. The author was giving online communications far, far too much impact. The brother and sister back home are just another of the millions of screen jockeys on the internet that are mostly ignored when they aren't being argued with.
another thing: BEAN WAS NOT IN HIS LAUNCH GROUP
Actually amazed they had bean in this. Or had him hide in the toilet.
Honestly I just read the book and ender was 10 when bean first appeared. The movie was so wrong
@@thomrhode1644 Come on man you're not stupid. You know with the time constraints they never could've made a perfect copy of the book & a good one at that. I think we can all agree that a TV Show adaptation would do this series more than justice.
@cak01vej idk maybe two moibe first: make a moive about command school and ender growing up being a little badass, then set up vaintain and perters plots. Then for the seconed moive go have ender be sent to command school, let the teachers mind fuck him with work while the russians plan to run the world while peter and valintain write there shit. After thats all good sum up the moive with the end of the book. Each moive being about 3+ long. *This was a waste of time*, *please dont mind if i made any grammar mistakes*
I KNOW THEY GOT IT COMPLETELY WRONG
But the training "laser tag" game was won in the book by having four people touch the corners of the door and the fifth getting through meaning you needed 5 people still "alive" to win
One helmet had to hit each corner to unlock the gate, but IIRC, Ender won one game by having 4 people frozen in perfect formation, still moving. Their helmets hit and unlocked the gate seconds before one live kid passed through.
Ghotiermann
Close, but incorrect. What he actually does to win that impossible match is sacrifice nearly all of his men while quietly sending enough men towards the enemy gate to end the game without actually freezing any of the enemy's forces.
It would be pretty damn cool to see Ender freeze his troops so that they hit the enemy gate perfectly to win the game, but when he intentionally freezes his troops, that's just him building the screen/formation that builds off of the idea of freezing one soldier and having another "ride" that soldier like a vehicle during a game. He experiments with freezing his own soldiers, but he never freezes them to launch them at the enemy gate and win by hoping he hits the right point so the gate properly.
Kolomajeski
The hostility is unnecessary. The movie is totally fine, I liked it. No one here said anything like "the book is better than the movie," we were just talking about stuff from the book. Please contribute to the discussion or don't, it's your call, but being needlessly... Angry? Annoyed? That's doing nothing but make *your* day worse and you deserve to have a better day than that.
Imagine being this age and letting a 4'11" kid bully you
i have money you talk big on the internet and still get bullied irl by your boss, cops, random people on the streets.. boy
@@charlesreid9337 😂🤣...WTF are you talking about? Are you responding as the character in this movie? 😂🤣
@@charlesreid9337 are... are.. are you 0kay in the head
4'11" is the max height to qualify as a midget. And Bonzo definitely seems to have a Napoleon Complex.
Imagine being alive in 2020 and still using feet and inches
1:00 In the book someone DOES get killed. Ender takes the bully down permanently, though not intentionally.
The one REAL sin of the movie is changing it so Dragon Army is his old friends and not complete strangers. That was the point, to see if he could whip a group of mediocre cadets into an elite fighting force.
Oh, and having him meet Bean on the shuttle up to battle school when in the book, Ender didn't meet Bean until Dragon Army was formed.
Although you learn in Ender's Shadow that Bean created Dragon Army. And he specifically chose cadets/veterans whose personality/combat style best complemented Ender's. They were the best, not mediocre at all, but they had been underutilized by the adults in charge because they didn't fit the stereotype of a genius child soldier.
@@Aaron-vy6lb Yes, but that is a spoiler for the (never made) Ender's Shadow movie (I seriously wish the studio had gone with the director's desire to film scenes for Ender's Shadow while they were filming Ender's Game so the kid actors would be the right age, and had followed up with Ender's Shadow.) in Ender's Game, even the reader is led to believe they were stacking the deck against him. And they were still, as I said, people he had never worked with, including Bean.
@Vishal Jindal Written before, maybe, but Ender's Shadow actually occurs during the exact same time period as Ender's Game, and follows Bean as the main character instead of Ender. It turns out a lot was happening behind the scenes that Ender never knew about.
Two people actually
In the books he killed like two or three bullies. One was the first one on Earth, and for sure the one that attacked him in the shower. They never told him until the end because they didn't want to make him think he was a killer.
this book is actually AMAZING, the movie didn't do it justice at all
All they had to do was split the book into two for two movies and not include anything from other books like finding the queen.
I think one of the biggest problems the movie had was they did not communicate the passing of time very well. Like AkaHimself said it spans several years but the movie makes it seem like months.
Just don't read the books after that
Months? Ehh, the movie felt like it took place over a few weeks, time was communicated that badly. I did enjoy it for what it was, though.
TrueChaoSclx So what does it matter how long it took? You get the point, Ender was taken from his home to train as a star fleet commander which was physically and mentally stressful. That's it.
I remember reading Ender's Game for the first time and getting to the end, and me realizing what was happening, it was breathtaking. Hands down one of the best twists ever
Will Schiller what was the twist?
I'm guessing you've never read the book... and you didn't watch this video either. Basically, the "simulations" that he has been commanding all this time were real missions with real people, and the final mission where he blew up the Buggers (the aliens) home work sacrificed a ton of human lives and he essentially committed genocide (and he is horrified by that)
Will Schiller I've seen the movie, but what I've been reading is that the ending in the movie was different from the book. I also didn't quite understand what was going on in the movie, it's been a few years since I've seen it.
Will Schiller ahhhh... Thank you for short, simple explanation!
In terms of the the general ending, it is similar, yes, but there are some things left out. I haven't read the book in a long time, but it is significantly better - I recommend you read it.
Favorite part of this was when it was announced “I refuse to learn Harrison Ford’s name” while he is wearing a name tag
Previously on Ender's Game "We have to isolate him, and make him think he wont be helped."
CinemaSins "Why are they letting this happen?"
@ I interpreted this guy's message as "The reason why teachers let that happened is already told"
One thing I know though is you must not help those who can help themselves or they will not become what they could be, better.
Sadly we don't know the balance... yet.
Vertutame or, they may never reach their full potential. Humans are a community people. We are greater together than apart.
@@Lukecash2 "We're not training humanity, we're creating killing machine."
@@Lukecash2 for the most part. As a whole and on average, humans need community and relationships but there have been many instances through history of one great figure or another remaining completely isolated from their peers. The argument to be made for doing it to ender is that they believe him to be the be all, end all tactician, nobody, not even the other geniuses of the battle school, not even mazer Rackham himself compares. To allow him to more thoroughly bond with his team members, it creates some degree of dependence upon each other. In most instances this is a good thing, but to a degree it's always been believed true that if you bond a better and worse pair of people, the inferior one will grow better for the bonding, while the greater has a good chance of being held back. They couldn't afford to have ender held back by relying on anything other than his own unparalleled tactical brilliance.
You shoud've sinned how two of the teams were 'centipede' and 'rat'
@Judson Joist earthworms are good another will eat the crop so technically can be a vermin.
I don't know... they could both be good team names. Centipedes are very venomous and rats are known survivors. For armies they could be associated with worse traits than being deadly or being survivors.
they're in the book lol
Ender "nearly" killed his bully, yeah... nearly killed him, that's totally how that happened.
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In the words of Kirk Lazarus, "This mother fucker's dead"
@@st.pootis4874 in the book Ender killed people in several different situations, however he never realised it until someone told him
read... the.... book. you don't know how foolish you sound right now to those of us who did read the book. we are lol'ing at your ignorance ;)
@@cap.deanmarcelwinchester don't know if you were replying to my original comment or not, but it is confirmed at the end of chapter 12 that Ender killed stilton (the bully) there.
I will say that a good half of the "sins" ("painting the target," singling out Ender) were intentionally written into the book. The military's whole goal during the book was to separate and alienate him from the rest of his peers. ALSO he did actually kill that guy in the beginning of the movie in the book.
your f*cking name is Bean and you had the audacity to mock of another person's name?!?! (best part, im still laughing)
F U C K Y O U , *B E A N*
@@shyre836 Your F*cking name is Shyre and you have the audacity to mock another person's name?!?!
p.s. if someone wishes to continue go ahead
In the book he never made fun of anyone's name. In fact it says that "he knew that a child named Bean was wise to not laugh at other kids names."
The book was written in 1985 by Orson Scott Card and was ahead of it's time. The movie attempts to follow it pretty strictly within the 2 hour time frame. Blaming it for ripping of other films made after 1985 seems unfair to me.
The book also discusses an internet and chat rooms, six years before they existed. Pretty cool.
NoNamium wow the book was created the same year i was born. i wouldnt have guessed that
... You do know that EWW is purely satire, right? You are taking this WAY too seriously...
6:34 In the book, Ender had hacked (I guess that would be the word for it) the school computers, and made an account whose name he could change, so in the book when that scene happens, Ender changed that accounts name to Bernards name to make it look like he was insulting himself. (or something along those lines, it was a while since I read the book)
Edit: the chat system was in the book too, the point is it wasn't meant to be anonymized.
I thought he use the name 'GOD'
@@cleversushi8428 both are true at two different times
@@Coldyham There's also a part of the book where he gets direct access to the chat system used by the teachers after hacking into it, so he's used Bernard, GOD, and [ ] as names in classes.
My wife watched the movie without having read the book and cried for what they did to Ender. I would say despite the deviations from the book they still got crux of the story across.
Why did he say that the movie is a lie if you read the book? Wasn't the reveal basically the same?
@@matthaeus428 the reveal was the same, but there was a lot of missing or misconstrued plot points. Per usual the book was better.
@@michaelmiller5177 Thanks for replying. I know I just finished the book, so I get that a lot of things are missing and the time period is much shorter in the movie. I was just confused why he called it a lie.
@@matthaeus428 if you enjoyed Enders Game, I would highly recommend the Shadow series for you. The rest of the Ender books are very good, the Shadow books are better.
@@matthaeus428 What he said would also be true if you watched the movie first and then read the book, or read the book a second time, etc. They lie to Ender, the book/movie "lies" to the reader/viewer. He just means the reveal is spoiled after the first time, and you won't believe Ender is playing a game if you read/watch again so it can't hit you as hard when they finally tell him. I also read the book first and I thought the movie did a fine job of a summary in two hours for whatever that is worth.
This movie was a lot better when I watched it w/o paying attention.
Uriah Siner good for you?
Most of his sins made little sense, so it didn't bother me.
I havent read the book yet but the movie felt pretty underwhelming IMO. The protagonist feels a bit too overpowered and cliche at the beginning for me. Feels like he didnt progress at all throughout the movie :/
WOMANpukumaru, yeah but at the same time if you have read the book, the movie is a plot line train wreak
Honestly most movies are
Imagine if the actors were the actual ages of the kids in the book.
6 year old Ender inadvertently killing that bully in the start. But I get why they're older -- good child actors are really hard to come by.
I feel like it would have been so much better if they actually did have a younger impact in the movie he doesn't even really seem like the genius he's supposed to be
If you listen to the audiobook of the movie, OSC talks about trying to get the movie going and how hard it is to get genius level children of that age to even engage in the actions that the book presents.
That little kid in Child's Play was good.
Will Koons "If you listen to the audiobook of the movie, OSC talks about trying to get the movie going and how hard it is to get genius level children of that age to even engage in the actions that the book presents." What, Mormonism? Not surprised, lol.
also how many are are going to let their 6 year old child be in a movie where he murders someone
*FINALLY*
*LEEEEEEROY JINKENS!*
Amen, brother ^_^
*God Dammit Leeroy!*
I miss the old memes.
There goes a hero!
HAHA 😛😛😛😛😛😛 I know what that issss!!!
I like how you didn't sin the "Well, down is relative in space" when the reference point is the ship, and is what the captain is obviously talking about.
Could’ve sworn Ender was like, 6 when he went to the battle school. Not 14....
He was. The book progressed over the course of years, with Ender being 12 at the end (if I remember correctly). It's just easier to make a movie if the character is the same age all the way through instead of trying to find multiple boys between the ages of 6-14 that look similar.
I read the book but that was a long time ago so could somebody fill me in?
Yes, but I think the fact that he WAS 6 in the beginning of the book was bs. Especially because all of the boys acted at least ten... Card really should have made them older
Who cares, the book and the movie were both trash.
@@mobspeak what did you just say?!?!?!?!?!
CinamaSins: "Harrison Ford's character whose name I refuse to learn."
Me: It's on the screen right now as you are saying this.
10:20
woooosh
+1 sin
jsmall10671 how the fuck is this a woooosh
Well he IS refusing. Stubborn bugger.
@@thepigproductivity because i could read Ford's characters name right now and still not remember it long enough to type it here. His XO is worse
I remember feeling so strange towards the end of Enders Game when I was younger
baby girl lmao same I read it in 6th grade I remember I was good for most the book (not understanding most the symbolism but getting the plot) and then the ending happened and I was like ????????????
That is funny, that is VERY funny, cuz in a month or so when Infinity War comes out, I bet money you kids will be like "Oooh, that was the shit!" Nevermind, that it'll fail to measure up to the Infinity Gauntlet story.
Derek Bates What does that have to do with anything that was just said?
+Parker
I'm just making an observation about how you point out this movie's failure to stack up to the book, even though I've heard next to nothing about how Marvel films fail to come close to the comic books.
Yeah, the film probably doesn't do the book justice, what movie based on a book or any material does? Yet, you're fine with Marvel; it just feels like you ppl hold every other sci-fi/action movie up to the standard of 30 min. Disney merchandise commercials.
Derek Bates Your argument is misunderstood and fundamentally broken. 1: You’re assuming I like Marvel movies. I don’t. 2: I was saying how IN 6TH GRADE which was about 6 years ago for me I read Enders game for the first time and was confused by the ending, didn’t even mention the movie.
Sin #51 "Why would a programmer ever allow the mouse to crawl into the giant's eye?"
That's actually a plot point in the books; the programmers DIDN'T program that. A sentient computer program named "Jane" created by the Formics/Buggers did, in a roundabout way of befriending Ender after they collectively agreed to die as penance for murdering what they didn't realize were sentient lifeforms. In their society, the workers/soldiers are telepathically controlled by the Queens, and a worker being killed is about as unethical as getting your hair cut. When they found Humanity, they thought that killing all the humans was just like cutting fingernails and war was mostly a greeting of sorts, and when Rackham killed a Queen, then and only then did they realize that humans were actually upset at the death of billions, and eventually concluded that every human actually was a just as sentient as a Queen. As penance, they basically allowed Ender to all but exterminate themselves (they'd defend themselves to the death but NEVER attack humans again). However, they didn't want to go entirely extinct, so they tried to reach out to Ender through Jane, but by the time Ender found out about everything, it was too late. Instead, Jane ends up being used to guide Ender to the last Queen egg, to bring the Formics/Buggers back from extinction when he was ready to.
Jane didn't come around until after people started forming now colonies (speaker of the Dead book she is first brought up) While talking about how she come to be, she just appired and while looking around she found an advance computer program, one more advance then she was at the time (her words) so she added it to her system. While looking at it she found more then half memory was to the one game for Ender and then wanted to find him.
That book sounds garbage, mate
@@sob4844 It's a brilliant book
Almost every sin is explained in the books. There is a reason behind the madness. Like grown ups just looking how children murdered each other in name of saving humanity that wasn't really in danger. These sins make me want to read the books again.
@@dirkvandaele4466 he does this ALL the time it drives me bonkers. He claims he read the first one though so many of his sins absolutely have explanations i just feel like he’s taking the piss or really doesn’t understand the plots of some movies
4:30 actually, you have 2 minutes to get fully dressed in cammies for marine boot camp. And about the same time to make your rack and about 1 minute to hit the head and brush your teeth. So actually, 10 minutes is extremely generous.
You sure about that? I dont kniw exact tumes byt I know they counted us down doing it and 2 minutes diesnt start at 60
Brandon Candelario
True, but there is always those people who mess up and make you restart and get undressed again.
Dark Lietenant
True. That way you don't have to do that stupid "look left, look right. Put on your boot socks and make sure the recruit next to you is awake".
Love the book, the movie is okay. I'm mainly annoyed at the super fast pacing and the wussification of Petra. But I guess movies need a romance plot for some reason.
Because movie writers can't think of any other plots besides romance.
Unless romance actually sells nowadays?
I kinda felt like they wanted to humanize Ender a bit more. Whiffed big time, though.
The Movie sucked
I thought the romance was more incest full.... "Valentine" ×100
Exactly my thoughts! Now I don`t have to leave a long comment on the video! haha but seriously, the book is so much better! to me the two best parts of the story were the brilliant pacing and the believable and drastic character development primarily in Ender as he grew from a boy to a man. The book went on for years and by the end I felt as though things that happened in the battle school were literally years ago. This was due to how it was paced and how much the characters grew.
"Someone could have died in this scene" In the books, someone did.
He read the book, he knows.
jsmall10671 I guarantee he didn't read the book
Ethan Naper he literally said he did
Yes, the bullying IS intentionally ignored. It's explained in the book. Yes, you can be a genius and still be a bully. In fact, many geniuses are somewhat anti-social. As for the uniforms - Ender is a standard size. All "wardrobe" had to do was slap his name on a new set of uniforms. Since Col. Graff was the person reassigning Ender when he was promoted, of course he had whomever was in charge of the uniforms alerted before Ender received his instructions. It was Bean who was too small for the regular sizes.
If you have to read the book to understand the plot, then the adaptation has failed. Excellent point
@@MegaZeta Movies do not have to explain everything to you, many things are left unexplained and it isn't a bad thing. In this one you are not supposed to know that they are intentionally allowing the bullying and watching Ender until later on, you are supposed to be as confused as the kids are. Where the movie messed up is not dropping a few more clues later on about that. Either way the movie is fine and the plot is fine without that information, maybe they are just inept teachers or maybe there is a reason, you don't know and you don't need to know but once you get to the end and find out that they picked him for a reason and he was actually leading the fight and destroyed all Formics you start piecing together these things on your own. The movie was not great but it didn't treat you like an idiot that needed everything spelled out like many others movie do.
@@CazRaX by that logic the book shouldn't have the scenes that explained everything either.
@@CazRaX you sound foolish just an fyi.
He’s “standard” size? The kid looks half starved. He’s standard size for a concentration camp.
If ever a movie needed a montage...
I mean movies over utilize montages all the damn time and this movie couldn’t spare a training montage or better yet, a montage of dragon army winning?
Henry Powell you remember the phrase, "No Capes!"?
Well...No Montages!
Apparantly one of the companies doing the CGI went bankrupt before the movie was finished and they had to scrap several VFX-intense shots
That's actually a great idea!
Even "Rocky" had a montage.
They made the entire battle room scenes without using cgi. They are actually in a giant room flinging themselves around the room to save cgi expenses.
Bean. Bean? BEAN!? * whispers: mr. bean... *
Game over.
The cast is too old and the movie doesn't show 1/1000th the torment Ender went through. You don't feel as bad for Ender as you are meant to.
Hey but atleast the movie wasnt like percy jackson.
To be honest, with the books I reached a point when I either arced my eyebrow or just outright laughed at how ridiculous they were pushing "Ender's torment". I mean, I know he is suposed to be this enduring tactical genius, but at the end of the first book he came as a gary stu. At least for me. I didn't feel like reading the rest after that.
The reveal was really good, though. What's fair is fair.
@@lenlimbo I felt the same way. Bad book, worse movie.
@@nicholassampson5804 Not a bad book at all just not a realistic world, which sci fi has the full right to explore sometimes to look at weird ideas like this one. It's more of a young adult book but it's still pretty brilliant for the ideas it presents.
If you like the reveal of the end of this book, you’ll love the second book Ender’s Shadow. Its the story of Bean, which is 1000x more crazy than Enders life. It’s pretty awesome how they hid Beans entire story into the first book when it ends up being so important.
4:20
In the army they woke us up at 5:55am every morning, at 6:00am we had to be outside ready for physical exercise
Every morning... Wouldn't you want to set you alarm earlier then after the third time it happened to you?
Especially as cadets are expected to have their room in tiptop shape before leaving it. Just wondering
@@chany6336 in most cases you are not allowed to have an alarm. The whole point of boot camp/ officer school is that you become a cog that plays by the rules. Taking away control and perception of time is unfortunately part of that.
Edit: said are instead of are not
You also get used to waking up exactly at that time
@@chany6336 in Polish army you clean and sort your bed after morning physical training just before shaving and cleaning yourself and before breakfast. We had 10 minutes after 6am wake up to go outside.
Well, at least that how it was when i served 19 years ago.
@@makingitwithnick To be clear, an intelligent cog that can be relied upon to mesh smoothly with all of the other cogs, so that the machine as a whole operates properly.
One of the purposes of boot camp is to be as mentally demanding as possible, to weed out those who can not function under stress or who are just plain idiots. Hopefully, the process washes them out before they are placed in a situation where lives depend upon their acting intelligently in a stressful environment. Experience has shown that this process is not always successful...
This is why the books are better. Literally every single one of these is answered in either "Ender's Game" or "Ender's Shadow".
I stopped halfway through Book 3. Read the first one in '99. The second one with the pig people in '00, followed by the third that I never finished. Lost interest. Never read Shadow.
Xenocide and Children of the Mind are such slogs to sit through. The Ender's Shadow series is so much more interesting. Also, I'd suggest the mid-quel Ender in Exile, it was better than Speaker for the Dead imo
1337er Star Boy hey i just started the first book and i have only a few pages left. That's the readon why i thought i gonna watch this. In which order should i read the books?
Valentin S. Read them in release order, probably, but so long as you read Ender's Game first and you read every mini-series in order (i.e. don't read Earth Awakens before you read Earth Unaware and Earth Afire), you'll be fine.
irllcd13, you NEED to read the Ender's Shadow mini-series. It is personally the best of the lot (not saying that the others aren't rather good too, though. I'd probably agree with 1337er Star Boy's sentiment, so continue with Ender in Exile instead of Speaker for the Dead).
Honestly? Almost any way you want. Just make sure you read the Ender's Shadow series before you read Ender in Exile, though you can read the rest of the main Ender series (Speaker for the Dead, Xenocide, and Children of the Mind) first if you want. Ender in Exile, while being a mid-quel, has little bearing on the previously-published Ender's Game sequels. You can also read the two Formic Wars series at any point (though the Second Formic War trilogy is ongoing).
Technically, Bean’s real name is Julian Delphiki Jr., but he doesn’t know that yet.
Thank you sister C.
And he's a genetically engineered clone of his brother
@@LevonBlueoak not a clone. A brother. The scientist took eggs from the mother and sperm from the father. He fertilized the eggs and modified the genes to boost their intelligence. When the authorities found the lab, he had all the infants eliminated, but Bean managed to hide in a toilet tank. Ironically he’d become his own brother’s best friend at Battle School before they even learned about their relation
@@artembentsionov ah yes. Sorry, its been over a year since i listened to the Shadow books, and i wasnt paying much attention at that part.
I love you.
The kid sprained his ankle, but the battle room is micro gravity... You don't need to walk or run in there. He should have been fine to play.
How do you plan to propel yourself in micro gravity?
@@@Mozzy4Ever Farts.
@@Mozzy4Ever you also have another leg and two arms that can do the same thing.
@@TaggedByTim true, but precision would be a problem if one leg isnt performing as well as the other, and that effect would be amplified in micro gravity because it takes longer to hit another surface to correct the mistake
@@Mozzy4Ever I'm not arguing that just answering you on how you would move oneself.
11:26 -you said you read the book. Must’ve been a while ago. The rankings are based off of average performance, so they placed first because nearly all of their men weren’t frozen and they demolished the other team.
also if you play 1 game and win 1 game then your average performance is 100 percent wins
So it's win lose ratio
You must be new to this channel ;) If it's not explained in the movie, it's a sin, regardless of the book. Movies should not rely on audiences having read the source material
There were lots of sins that I thought weren't deserved because I've read this book so many times that the answers seemed obvious. But the movie was still awful and wrong, wanted something good without the hand holding.
@@JayFlowie doesn't matter if the book makes it unjustified, CINEMAsins sins the movie, so context or explanations in the book does not matter
The movie is okay, but it just doesn't do the book justice.
The sequel book of beans pov of the story was almost as good as the original
Just like Dark Tower
Exactly, the book is much better.
Dav Dunderwood I actually liked that version better, it was much more specific
and Peggy The main problem, for me, with the book is that it talked about stuff on Earth like the Hegemon and Peter/Valentine's political stuff, but it never really fit with Ender's experiences and I didn't understand at all what was happening there. I like that the movie never touched on it. Then again, I don't watch Rick and Morty.
talk about uniforms my navy uniform took 3months to come and still didn't fit properly
The navy is gay vee
Because this is in like 2160’s
Now do Starship Troopers since you mentioned it
Accidental TOAST NO starship troopers is a gem
Bannerlord Hype Train I know, but its cheesiness deserves this, it was mentioned in the video, amd the book that was being satirized by the film is something that inspired a lot of modern military based sci fi media....including gems like aliens.
[Desire to know more intensifies]
12:56 Ender's Game: sponsored by Razer
You should do Everything wrong with Shark Tale
The whole movie is what's wrong with it.
That would be a short video Kappa
Alwaysme_T But then he'd have no video
there's nothing wrong with it, it's a masterpiece
Alwaysme_T I FULLY SUPPORT THIS!!!
3:38 Military issue equipment NEVER fits you perfectly, even the stuff that is designed to fit still won't
he's fiiiiiiine
Correct, it comes in 2 sizes: too large, and too small.
Also the whole wake up ten minutes before shit is completely accurate. I remember only having two minutes to shower... for the entire platoon. Lol.
I love this film because it made me read the book. If anyone here didn't read ,,Enders game,, or ,,Enders shadow,, I HIGHLY recommend it.
Ok
there is few more books in the series such as: "Speaker for the Dead", "Xenocide", "Children of the Mind", "Ender in Exile", "Ender's Shadow". This 5 is a core. You can read them in the order written - Ender's Game, Speaker for the Dead, Xenocide, Children of the Mind, then Ender's Shadow, Shadow of the Hegemon, Shadow Puppets, Shadow of the Giant. Or you can read them in chronological order of story beginnings, which is Ender's Shadow, Ender's Game, Shadow of the Hegemon, Shadow Puppets, Shadow of the Giant, Speaker for the Dead, Xenocide, Children of the Mind.
I was reading them in this order: Ender Game, Ender exile, Speaker of the Dead, Xenocide, Children of the Mind. This last too need to be in this order because of the reason stated below.
But in truth it doesn't matter, except that you should read Xenocide right before Children of the Mind, since they are really two halves of a single continuous story. In most of my books, I include all the information you need.
Ur welcome!
I have read quite a few of the books.
4:20 is this edited like a Hollywood movie?
Canonically yes.
Lol right. 'You mean the propaganda piece...yes...yes its edited. Thats kinda the point
wait a second .... is the guy who says "wake up pendejos" RICO FROM HANNAH MONTANA ?!? (8:04)
Andy Ventura Yes 😊
Andy Ventura NO WAY!!
Haha, yeah that's the first thing I noticed too when I saw him in the movie. I was like "...is...is that Rico?" And don't get me wrong, he played the character greatly in this, but I couldn't help but hear "Heeeyooooo" every scene XD
Yeah.
Ryan Weeks It's just like seeing Tobey McGuire in The Great Gatsby. Every time I look at him, all I see is him playing Peter Parker in Spiderman 3
The biggest sin here is trying to take a book as in depth and detailed as Ender's Game was and condense it down to a two hour movie. Ender spent years at the battle school before becoming commander of Dragon Army. The movie would have you believe it was just a matter of weeks. What was it, a year between battle school and command school? And then months and dozens of 'simulated' battles before the final battle? I did enjoy the movie but only because I have read the book and knew the massive amount of information and story that was left out. This book to movie needed to be a trilogy at least. And for those that have read the book, also read Ender's Shadow if you haven't. It is the same story told from Bean's perspective.
Don't even get me started. The best damn part of the books was Peter and Valentine manipulating themselves into Dominion of the Earth.
I grudgingly accept this movie adaption. Given the source material, this was....alright. Should have been a multi-film adaptation tho. I say this having read ALL of both the Ender’s series and the Ender’s Shadow series.
Screw the movie format at all, this should be a tv series like game of thrones is. THAT would be an awesome series if it started chronologically from the start of the first war. First season would be asteroid mining in a competetive environment.
Biggest sin is that Orson Scott Card let this be made when he shot down previous adaptations for less.
i assumed it was because if they wanted it to be true to the book they'd have to do it in the style of that movie boyhood or whatever where they followed the actor for years of his actual life, unless they could find like 3 people between the ages of 6 and 12 who could pass as the same person. that would be an act of witchcraft on the part of the casting department.
Would it really have been that hard for the movie to take,place over the course of 10 years, like the book? It just feels unrealistic to have Ender rise through the ranks this fast.
No, but that would have taken more actors since 10 year to a child who is 8 is a HUGE thing, you could not keep the same actors.
@@CazRaX tv show then
no movie was better, he's right@@standardperson3189
its not that unrealistic considering the movie felt perfectly paced
They were looking at leadership and tactics and reasoning and positioning in a 3D environment with no reference directions. Even after Ender realized "the enemy's gate is down", because directions from outside reference points were arbitrary and could be dismissed, Bean noticed that Ender still naturally tended to align himself to the direction the corridor was oriented. Breaking the ingrained habits of a world based on gravity to think, feel, position, maneuver, and battle in a weightless environment is not easy. Look at just how many space battles in fiction have fleets lined up on a plane, sharing an orientation which has absolutely no basis in reality or tactical thought. Those patterns need to be trained out, and the battle school was the way to do that.
If humanity became this messed up I’d watch the aliens colonize earth instead
What book gets damn right is about importance of learned patterns.
And how video games can change that.
I used to laugh about such idea... however it is correct one.
No Sin for the terrible Kiwi Accent?
You just got a sin, Cinema Sins...
MajesticDemonLord Totally agree. It should have been Termuera Morrison or Cliff Curtis, not Ben Kingsley
Considering they have infinite sins more sin can't hurt that much.
I mean right? Right?
At first I thought you were sinning kiwis and my sudden patriotic nature kicked in before I realized i'm not american and I don't really care if we get dissed as long as no one mentions sheep lol
damn straight rebbekah well said
Sheep shaggers
The book was incredible, the movie was acceptable
Nope, not acceptable, this movie ruined bean
No, the books ruined Bean. Ender's Game barely touches on Bean. Bean did play a bigger part in Ender's Game, but there is a lot of content to the books, and the movie is about Ender, not Bean. In theory, had the movie been more successful, there might have possibly been a Bean related series.
That said, the books covering Bean I think are so significantly relevant to world events today. The rise of Putin, the caliphate that ISIS began to unite the Arab world, etc.
the main problem of the movie is it has to cram the entire book into an at most 3 hour format and so had to cut out almost everything that happened at the battle school in order to rush to the end.
Movie was good!
The movie would have been great if it had an extended edition or directors cut - it goes way too fast for what it's trying to show.
10:56...oh, in the book, they had LOTS of battles before that, and MOST of them were rigged to give the other team an advantage!
and Ender thought from the beginning that Formations were stupid, and concentrated on having his team fight as 5 sub-teams attacking from different directions.
note that most "armies" had only 4 sub-teams...
I remember reading this book a while back, rather enjoyed it, too. I have to say, though, if they'd really done the book justice, about half these sins wouldn't be here.
Yes, I know, it's a movie and they have to cut things down. Personally, I'm having to stop myself from explaining half the things sinned as they do, actually, have explanations that just weren't included. These are still 'valid' sins, after all; this video is sinning the movie, not the story. Even if there are valid explanations, not including them is a 'sin' even unto itself.
I saw a few sins that could be to the book too, so I don't find them as sins per say
They took some serious shortcuts, since Bean wasn't on the original shuttle with Ender.
@@rgoodwin1810 also completely ruining the prospect of doing a move off of Bean's backstory and how he got into dragon army.
Saying it won't hurt, and then it being excruciatingly painful is to illustrate adults lie to these children.
Belias Phyre well thats the reason from a storytelling standpoint
But why would they lie to them about this? It doesnt achieve anything except making the children distrust the adults, which can't be good
P.S I have not watched this movie or read the book so maybe it is explained
Because it hurts more if you tense up beforehand, most likely.
Crimson assassin,
That's the story in a nutshell. The adults isolate and torture the battle school cadets to force them to rely only on their own ability to command. If the adults ever stepped in to help or punish, then the kids wouldn't develop the self reliance needed to lead. That's the theory at least presented through this book, and the repercussions of doing so. The movie didn't do such a good job of illustrating it.
The teachers don't step in to break up the fight between Stilson and Ender purposely, or to save Ender from Peter, or from Bernard, or Bonzo, all because they are trying to foster his self reliance. At the end of the book, Graff (Harrison Ford's Character) is court martialed for all this abuse, and the deaths of Stilson and Bonzo.
Still is a decent movie adaption of the book, and doesn't ruin too much, just alters for convenience. My biggest complaint is Bean is Ender's biggest contender for Commander, and the movie turns him into just another brat.
The kid in the first fight actually did die
How did he read the book and not know this?
Also the first bully had his monitor removed lang ago as did the other kids thats why they bullied him
It pays to read the book haha
Everyone who went against Ender died. That was kind of his thing. First murder when he was 6.
Well shit, I didn't saw that one coming XD
When i see him questioning the "wake up and 10 minutes to departure" thing, im like, ever actually been in any sort of military ?!
not before important missions or tasks though lol. Military isn't going to wake ppl up 10 minutes before a priority mission
I've been in the military.. 10 minutes before PT is one thing, but literally everything else you have more time. Unless they throw a fucking CS canister in your tent.
Then you better get the hell up. Or sleep with a mask on.
When I was in the military in my country 10 minutes was like a civilian's whole hour of having time to get up and prepare.
@BPapiMcP157 it's tear gas
@@diy_cat9817 Onboard a US Navy ship, 10 minutes from the sounding of the "General Quarters" alarm should find you at your GQ station ready for combat. 15 minutes should have all hatches required for full watertight integrity closed, and that fact reported to Damage Control Central. At this point the ship is considered 100% ready for combat. That extra 5 minutes is, in part, to allow for those who were on watch to be relieved by the GQ watchstander and make it to THEIR GQ stations.
For example, I might have the generator watch in the engine room. I need to wait for the person who stands that watch during GQ to relieve me. I then haul ass to the IC/Gyro Room...my GQ station. This allows the person who had THAT watch to REALLY hustle off to HIS assigned GQ station.
This is not really as much of a time-waster as it sounds like. As soon as GQ is sounded, I start down the GQ checklist, configuring the generator switchboards for GQ, bringing up generators in standby, etc. while I am waiting to be relieved. My relief arrives, quickly runs down the checklist until he gets to the point where I am at, then relieves me and continues down the list. The person who was on watch in the IC/Gyro room is busy aligning the switchboards there to combat configuration while waiting for me to arrive. I do the same review/relieve routine. After I relieve him, he will get to his assigned GQ station to find that his alternate has been busy getting things ready there.
It's all prep and training. Last thing you do before you go to bed is to neatly place your clean folded uniform for the next day under your mattress, eliminating the need to for 6-12 guys all trying to access their lockers at the same time. You determine in advance how to get to your GQ station from those locations where you might be when the GQ alarm goes off. You ensure that all watchstanders are familiar with what needs to happen at that watchstation if GQ is sounded so they can get things rolling. You make it a point to push junior sailors to become watch-qualified as quickly as they are competent to do so....then continue pushing for them to learn OTHER people's watches as well.
Given some thought, you will probably agree that some things were much the same for a soldier or Marine. If you needed it for combat, it was on your person or within reach. You had an MOS. Was that ALL you could do if you needed to? If the assigned driver was a no-show and shit was inbound, did you wait for the driver or move the truck..or at least start it so it was warmed up and had air pressure on the brakes so it could be moved? Did you wait for "somebody else" to arrive, or did you do what you could when you could to support the mission?
Sorry if this sounds like "Sarge lecture #215". Some things ARE much the same. I left the Navy as a 2nd class Petty Officer....That's an E-5 everywhere else...
long story short: read the book, its better. trust me.
hope definitely
hope it truly was
Just not any of the books that come after that
That1Guy enders shadow was pretty good
That1Guy the only other book was the same story but from beans view
The fact the movie skips over the months long mental deterioration of ender commanding dragon army is criminal. By the time he’s facing two teams at once it’s his last battle and he does it because he doesn’t care anymore. He just wanted to go out with a bang. Never expected it to work but it did. Fuck man this movie does no justice
Once again, the movie doesn't live up to the books. Things are always lost in translation. However, I think they made an admirable attempt.
They didn't kno de wae
Excuse me sir I'm lost, can you show me da wae?
Yeah, the book was far better, but the movie was still good and entertaining
The books don't even make sense like this dumb kid tries to save the universe for some bugs and becomes a myth, like congrats he played himself to a boring life.
its a long ass series lol
Imagine how amazing this movie could've been if they stuck closer to the source material.
Maybe one day we can actually get the movie the book deserves.
RIGHT?! and OSC signed off on this after rejecting other movie adaptations.
The source material is just too long, a TV series on the other hand...
There's a point in the Audiobook for this where he talks about this movie while it's in production, It's been years since I heard it but one thing he says is that it's already in the best format possible: a book.
Daemeous too long? You kidding, right? It's a very short book. Series as a whole is large but the book itself is very short
The book itself is not very long but everything in the book is important, and thats why this movie fails. Because it cuts out so much of what makes ender actually do what he does.
The book does a much better job at explaining the reasons behind why the computer program does what it does and why the adults allow the bullying. I starting reading this book series last year and just finished the third. If you haven't read it, I highly recommend it.
Even the movie explains why the adults allow the bullying - heck, even the Sins video explains it! "he can never be allowed to believe that anyone will come to rescue him" (or words to that effect).
I 100% agree. I read them all a couple years ago, and let me just say, the second, third, and fourth books are all one massive connected story, while Enders Game is essentially all backstory.
Honestly one of my favorite series. Movie, although good, doesn’t represent the book as well as it could have.
Yeah, I can hardly consider the bullying a sin with it being a part of the plot. It is of course a moral dilemma, and that is actually a big part of the concept behind the book.
And in the book both kids die.
I hope you also read enders shadow, it is also a wonderful book. And the shadow series is better over all.
the book is ten thousand times better than the movie, and the movie itself is already good. plz read the book
10:35 In Ender's Shadow, it explained that Bean hack into the school system so it "randomly" picked the rest of the Dragon Army along with him (Which was picked by Graff).
This movie showed why this should be a TV series or at least make it into a trilogy because there are SO MUCH things happening in the background. And then A LOT of the book happened internally which makes it very difficult to translate them on screen.
Bean was not on Ender's launch ship, Bean would be way smaller, hell, Bean doesn't even meet Ender for a long time. Valentine would be younger
This angers me
Ender's Shadow was the only book in the series I read. I was tempted to read the others, then I found out what a bag of shit Orson Scott Card is, and refuse to support him in any way.
@@JS-hw8ve Dude it's not like he gets money if you just check it out of the library
@@hadiali5674 Are you saying I should be comfortable actively searching out the work of a known bigot for my own enjoyment?
Do the emoji movie.....again. You didn't sin it enough
mike white they already did
Diego did you read his comment?
Here Diego, you need this my guy.
a·gain
[əˈɡen]
ADVERB
another time; once more:
"it was great to meet old friends again" · [more]
synonyms: once more · another time · afresh · anew
returning to a previous position or condition:
"he rose, tidied the bed, and sat down again"
in addition to what has already been mentioned:
"the wages were low, but they made half as much again in tips"
synonyms: extra · in addition · additionally · on top
used to introduce a further point for consideration, supporting or contrasting with what has just been said:
"I never saw any signs, but then again, maybe I wasn't looking"
synonyms: also · furthermore · moreover · besides
used to ask someone to repeat something:
"what was your name again?"
Diego Hernandez you're a fucking idiot did you not read the fucking comment or are you just too fucking stupid to understand What the fuck you just fucking read you fucking idiot
+Diego Hernandez "again"
12:56 That's a fucking Razer Tartarus! They're using gaming peripherals to deploy drones.
CeeBee Kid I was looking for this comment. Thank you
CeeBee Kid well, the actual US military often uses Xbox controllers, so whatever works.
They are not drones, in the books it states that they are sending commands to pilots in squadrons, thats why Ender cries at the end because he realises how many people he just sent to their deaths, Human AND Formic
+Random Demon -- Unfortunately, the movie got gun-shy about this detail. Graf explicitly says the fighters are drones being controlled remotely. Only the carriers have human crews. I haven't read the book in years, but the first time I got to the twist, I went back and re-read about Petra and Dink burning out. All the other kids were squadron commanders. They were the ones hearing the dying screams of their pilots and were under strict orders not to talk to Ender about it.
And they all knew he'd never be able to live with himself if they told him. And that without him many more pilots would die. So they didn't tell him.
_Petra was the oldest. She was _*_sixteen._*
Brandon F. Do they? I was in the Navy and the only Xbox controllers I ever saw were used to play video games. Ive taken courses on drones and other intel gathering methods as well and there was never any mention of that.
Given the equipment I've seen, Im skeptical of the U.S. militry using anything from this century.
6:35 didn't make it in to this sinning, but she says "it's basic rocket science" when it's basic orbital mechanics
colloquialism. I know it's a big word for your tiny brain? but look it up anyway.
I read the book first, so the entire movie I screamed THEY ARE CALLED BUGGERS!
Man and the worst thing is that the book was fucking awesome
Yes! WHY HAS NO ONE SAID THIS!? This book is so amazing with an awesome writer it got sequel after sequel!
The movie wasn't up to snuff with the book but it was still a pretty good movie
HemaG
Amen.
“Harrison Ford’s character whose name I refuse to learn.”
Having NOT read the book before I watched the movie, I still can attest this was the first plot twist that ACTUALLY got me.
For whatever the movie is to be judged at, let it be. But it's one freaking heck of a story.
Love a good Leroy Jenkins reference
Ash idk this reference
It's stemmed from this video ( ua-cam.com/video/mLyOj_QD4a4/v-deo.html ) about a raid group playing World of Warcraft.
Let me just casually refresh the subscriptions page and find this video uploaded 15 seconds ago only because I am on youtube 24/7...
what is my life
What are you talking about? So you happened to refresh the subscription page to find the video uploaded, that is called coincidence....also, if you had notifications enabled, you wouldn't have to refresh the subs to see if anything new popped up.
**DING**
Smokey McJoint I don't know about others, but I never get notifications immediately- it takes at least half an hour and sometimes up to 3 hours!
Seamstress subplot killed me
in 6th grade outdoor school, we had to get up, get changed, and be ready to go to breakfast in, like, 5 minutes.
Needed to be a three-part film tbh
Movie would have been way better if they had focused more on Enders shadow and beans story than Enders game. As much as I loved Enders game it's a internal monologue narrative that does not translate to film, card so much as said this. That's why we got this mix match film based off the two books with timelines messed up and huge sections removed. The only way this movie makes sense is if you read the book, and if you did this encroaches on eragon levels of bad.
orangeandblack5 it’s a two part story because of the books. I read Enders shadow too and it was really good. You need to read the book version of this and the book Enders shadow. Both really good
Def needed at least 3 Movies to tell the story properly. It needed a rewrite... they prob could of done the movies from beans prospective and it would of been better.
orangeandblack5 no, then it would just become the Hobbit.
I think it could have happen. The three part film thing, but I guess it couldn't have it over reasons
Listen. Jeremy. You've been putting out some great vids lately but it's time. STAR. TREK. FOUR.
SIN THE WHALES
Olyvia Hanken-Arlen and the other movies. I need to hear you say "Roll Credits"
Olyvia Hanken-Arlen, yes!
I am not sure you can do a 4 hour cinemasins video?
Boo-Lee Productions Inc Which movie would that be? Final Frontier? Insurrection?
Magical Music Final Frontier was star trek 5. The voyage home was 4.
>standing at parade rest when a superior is addressing them
>autoguiding during a formation run
>eyeballing the TI
>flight commander running in a position where he doesn’t have a good view of his people
>not breaking 90 degrees during push-ups
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All of that pales in comparison to NO WATER SOURCCCEEEEE
As someone who has read three books from the ender's saga and three from the shadow saga, I have got to say that's is quite a good movie. You can see that it was very well adapted to be a movie and people who hasn't read the books will understand (as you said). But, this movie has some of the details that I didn't catch the first time I saw the movie. I like a lot this saga and recommend it to anyone who is thinking of reading it. (But I can't blame for the movie sins, I enjoyed the video)
The movie nails the action down in a way that is just so amazing, the butcheries story isn’t that great. Losing so much of Beans perspective from the Shadow saga and Enders siblings being cut for the story is awful, I can understand why, It’d be several seasons long in a TV series to cover it all but almost every sim in this episode was covered or explained in the books
Finally someone who acknowledges this movies solid-ness. It's nothing groundbreaking or astounding, but it's a decent sci-fi flick that I feel is pretty underrated. And this is coming from someone who read the book before watching it, I still think it's good. Not fantastic, not bad, just an above average film.
It is horsedung compared to the source
KiwiHelpgeek it's an adaptation of a book, of course it's going to be bad compared the the source. That's to be expected.
*kid shoots gun at other kid*
Other kid:'this is amazing!'
Kid that shot gun:'this is America'
trap beat drops
kid that shot gun starts dancing
school gunners are not funny =(
This movie didn't deserve to bomb. Ender's Shadow should've been made. Gavin Hood did say in an interview he wanted to shoot this and Ender's Shadow back to back but Lionsgate didn't want to take that big a gamble.
Plus, it did have some competition along the way including I think Catching Fire.
Anyone agree/disagree?
This movie had been in the works since the very early 2000s. They originally had tapped the kid who played Anakin in the Phantom Menace to play Ender. I had been following the production of this film since they first announced it. Card initially said that he would rather not make the film than let the kids be teenagers. He folded to get his movie made. Should of waited that shit out like Terry Brooks did. Get yourself a tv show.
Sigh...
The movie felt like the exact same scene played over three times. Kid learns to play chess, beats a dude, then plays chess with people, beats the other team, then plays chess with spaceships, beats the other team.
The problem in my opinion is they totally destroyed the end and most of what got sinned was explained in the book
It did deserve to bomb, it was a shitty adaptation of a great book, a shitty movie in and of itself and it made no money. Lionsgate was smart not to dump all that money into back to back filming.
You mentioned it being odd that there was a program to dive into the giant’s eye, or to see the queen, but when he first logged on, it said it is cerebrally controlled. Everything in the game is driven by his mind
The battle room scene gives me chills to this day!
1:02 Since you have read the book this time, the bully *was* killed.
Everything Wrong With (IT) 2017
YDK Marshall wrong with what?
Papa Dragon the horror movie it
Definitely gonna do that one next week. Now what could the animated movie be? Maybe Captain Underpants?
Moolers That or The Nut Job 2.
If cinemaSins does "it remake" we'll float too
Sins for isolating THE COMMANDER.
They isolated him because they didn’t want him to be attached to those serving under him. Sometimes I really can’t deal with these sins.