KILLED AND EATEN: A Disturbing Encounter on a Canadian Bus
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- Опубліковано 1 лип 2023
- Join Emma Kenny in this intense episode of True Crime Stories as we explore the unsettling case of Tim McLean, a young man whose life was horrifically ended in a most unexpected and tragic manner aboard a Greyhound bus in Canada.
Emma, a respected psychological therapist and criminologist, unravels the series of events leading to this chilling incident, taking us on a detailed journey through one of Canada's most notorious crimes. Emma carefully unpacks the actions and psychological state of Vince Li (now Will Baker), the man responsible for McLean's death, providing profound insights into his diagnosed schizophrenia and how it contributed to this unthinkable act of violence.
Emma meticulously analyses the real-time reactions of the passengers, the response from law enforcement, and the impact of this horrifying event on Canada's public transportation safety protocols. She examines the controversial court proceedings, Li's time in mental health facilities, and his eventual release, discussing the implications for mental health awareness and treatment in the criminal justice system.
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My heart breaks for those who witnessed this horrific event. As someone who found a dismembered body, nearly 17 years later, with therapy and meds, I still have nightmares every night. I still have flashbacks of what I saw. Most people don't think about the way this type of event affects the witnesses, thank you for acknowledging their pain Emma. It means a lot to me, and I'm sure it would for them as well.
I'm sorry you had to go through that. I hope they found a name for the person an returned them to the family for a proper resting place 🙏 ❤
@@beckyjbarker They did, and thank you.
I've seen some things. It is embedded in my mind.
So sorry you're going through that 😔
Years ago I was drinking at a house and some guy I barely knew put a really twisted video on of a man getting decapitated .
I don't know where or what he watched this on but I was sickened by it.
I really wanted to have unseen what I saw but it was cemented in my mind.
So if I can be affected so much by a video I can't imagine what you went through or these poor people.
Most humans can't stomach the horror of something like that.
And nor should they
I'm so sorry ❤
I'm American and lot of the things I feel goes with a slap on the wrist in Canada.
HE _sawed Tim Mclean's head off_ and waved it around like a trophy.
But he's free.
In America he'd never see the light of day except for the yard.
Absolutely!!
I am horrified at what happened to poor Tim and equally horrified that Lee isn't minitored for the rest of his life. I would not be shocked if Lee re offends. People stop taking their meds for various reasons and he clearly needs to be on them religiously. Im so sorry for Tims little boy and his family. Thanks Emma, once again, for your intelect and detailed account of this case. ❤
It is absolutely discusting that he is unsupervised, that all those poor soles who witnessed thus happen and Tim's family have never had justice served. How dare the orthorities put everyone at risk like that.
This man not only brutalized Tim horrendously, he terrorized everyone on the bus. And first responders. No one deserves that life sentence, except for those who were found guilty of a crime. Some will never recover from this horror. While I appreciate the mental health struggles here...the trauma alone of the survivors should be recognized by the world as well. I think because Lee refused to take the meds prescribed, SOME onus is on him. At the very least, this man needs to be monitored for the rest of his life..
I used to travel by Greyhound bus back in college. All up and down the eastern seaboard and being alone and young, I never felt safe doing so.
The problem with schizophrenia and taking medication is that the person can't always understand that the meds are helping them. In fact they often think the opposite; that they will harm them in some way. Fear that people are trying to hurt you is common with that condition and the side effects caused by those medications only serve to 'confirm' their fears.
@@Keeva-if we can have probation officers that insure drug addicts stay off illegal drugs, I think we should have a third party enforce that dangerous people like this DO take their prescribed meds
@@Creepystalker102 The mental health service certainly needs improving. Sadly, more and more non-residential services are closing. It's also harder to get the more expensive drugs prescribed these days. There are slow-release medications for schizophrenia which removes the necessity to take them daily and technically people could be forcefully returned to hospital if they don't turn up to get each dose. But who is going to enforce that? Hospitals and police are already stretched to their limits, at least in the UK they are. All of that said, I do completely agree there should be more outpatient care.
The perpetrator should NEVER have been let out. It's disgusting and vile, and a threat to the public!
left world in canada
even if he was found guilty and in his right mind the max people can get here for murder is 25 years before you are legible for parole, even serial killers have been let out. Not a day goes by that I don't see a post on twitter or social media from the RCMP warning the public that a potential dangerous criminal has been let out on parole, it is disgusting.
He was mentally unstable. Do you not understand that?
@@10juvenileI’m a former psychiatric nurse. The fact that he is mentally unstable in this way means he should be in a secure hospital
@10juvenile so he should just be let out to murder, dismember & cannibalise others?!
I get that people with severe MHPs are victims themselves, but the people they harm - or could harm - should be put first
I've heard of this horrifying murder, poor innocent young man! I'm sure you will give him the legacy he deserves. R.I.P. Tim ❤️
My brother had a schizophrenic break when I was 10. He hacked a man to death with an axe. He served 13 years in prison where he was violated and attacked. He is now more broken than what he was before prison. He lives on the streets as my parents aren't prepared to care for him with his mental health struggles. There is no permanent psychiatric facilities that don't cost a fortune. I believe that Leigh should have spent the rest of his days in a psychiatric facility where he would be closely monitored and managed.
Can I ask when you say he had a break at 10, is that when he committed the murder? Is he in the US?
@dawnatkinson7704 his psychotic break happened when I was 10, he was 21 at the time. We come from South Africa.
I heard about this one before but thank you for bringing me more information on it. It is absolutely horrific that Tim was snuffed out so brutally.
I do think lee should never see the light again, he should be kept in a secure unit. There is absolutely no way this man should be out living his life - imagine this man in your community. Once you commit a crime so awful due to your own actions of not taking your medication how can you ever be trusted again. This really baffles me how he had been freed with zero restrictions.
My heart really does go out to Tim’s family and those people there that day that were so badly traumatised.
Gosh this has been a hard watch but thank you Emma for covering it so compassionately as always x
Well said
I agree with you emma, I'm a mental health nurse in the UK and I work in forensic services. As a nurse it's good progress but as a mother it is mad that he isn't even being seen weekly by a CPN or attending a review with a psychiatrist at least every 3 months. X
Lifetime medication supervision at the bare minimum. Not being monitored and living anonymously is insane roulette.
I cannot begin to imagine what those passengers were thinking while watching this monster kill and decapitate an innocent man. I hope they were able to get therapy.
Also, Lee should've been kept indefinitely at the treatment center for his safety and other's safety.
You can't keep people locked up forever. I'm against the prison system in all it forms
@@joshSpencerUK If it's a matter of this man's safety, and the only way he can get help is to be in these long term treatment centers, then yes, he needs to be there.
@@Dust_andAshes won't work
This is such a horrible story. I think he should be in a secure mental institution for the rest of his life. If he can remember what he did, he should be held accountable.
Just because he can remember what he did doesn’t mean he wasn’t in a psychosis at the time of the murder. I don’t think he should be walking free at all. He should be scheduled in a psychiatric hospital for the rest of his days.
Can i just say how amazingly you present these cases, i don't know how you do it twice a week and still manage to come across as though you've been studying every detail for months.
It's a talent for sure 😀
I dont know what shocked me more, the absolute horror of the crime that played out, or how this was dealt wirh afterwards. Lee will be a high risk reoffender for his whole life if he has no supervision. It's madness on the part of the authorities.
I cannot believe he is walking free .....with no restrictions whatsoever. My heart breaks for Tim's family and all of the people that were on that bus. None of their lives will ever be the same. And knowing he gets a new name and gets to live his life like nothing has happened is disgusting. I am often one saying we are too hard on the mentally ill, but in this case they went WAY too far the other way. Thank you Emma for sharing this story, and making sure Tim is not forgotten.
This one is NUTS. Almost unbelievable that something like that would happen in real life. Looking forward to your take on this, Emma.
Agreed
This case has always shook me, especially knowing the perpetrator is now walking around with a new identity 🤯
This gave me nightmares when I first came across this incident. I know you'll do the case justice as you always do Emma ❤🎉
Me too but agree she’s the best person to cover it sensivily
THIS IS SO DISTURBING
This case is absolutely horrifying and infuriating. And as far as the Canadian justice system goes, the sentences they doll out for horrendous offenses is pathetic in my opinion. Obviously I feel strongly about this one 😂
The United States Justice System is also broken as well..
They make us look tough in the UK!
@@parekhsona oh i totally agree with you there, and it needs to change! What gets me is a sentence like this for something straight out of a horror movie. When my cousins husband has been banned from returning to Canada over a felony when he was younger and struggling. He’s got his life back on track and is a wonderful person but he couldn’t even accompany my cousin back when my her dad was dying, couldn’t go with her to funeral, can’t visit his own family there… or a friend of a friend (us citizen) can’t even visit Canada because he got a dui in the states over a decade ago it makes absolutely no sense
He wasn't sentenced at all, because he wasn't convicted of any offence. He was determined to be not criminally responsible.
@sonaparekh6801 still better than most of countries except for Singapore
I have no words, this crime is pure horror. There's no doubt that the murderer is severely ill and that's the reason why he should be treated FOREVER and separated from the community, it's likely that he's still very dangerous. His release is also an insult to Tim's family, they lost their loved one in the most brutal way and didn't obtain justice.
And witnesses' trauma can't be ignored either, if I had been there I would still be in a catatonic state for sure!
I remember coming across this one , heartbreaking 💔😢 and absolutely frightening
I know only too well how this feels, my daughter was brutally slaughtered by her on/off boyfriend who was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia & was detained for just 3 years in a mental facility and is now free and walking the streets of Great Britain with so restrictions so it’s happening here too Emma
Definitely need to make sure they have their medication most are more likely to hurt themselves than others just unfortunately media makes out its high numbers .I had a neighbour who was on injections and was great on them .
@@stuartinnes81 I beg to differ, most “insane crimes” are not reported in the media for fear of highlighting just how badly mental health support is in this country. My daughters murder only made local news, she wasn’t high profile enough, not even the Police were informed he had been released from hospital, our whole system in this country is shot to hell, no matter what you care to imagine or hope unless it directly happens to you ! To this day “he” the murderer gets all the help under the sun whilst “we” the ones left behind serve the life sentence! Don’t believe the crap the government or the Prince & Princess of Wales spew out about bettering mental health because for the ordinary Joe on the street it does not exist & you can take that as FACT, I know because I’m living through & in the 20 years she has been gone I’m still suffering from complex PTSD & am not receiving help, I’m now bed ridden with multiple health problems brought on by grief and abandonment by our so called health service. !!!!!
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I will never forget hearing about this case! I was 19 when it happened and it haunted me for years!
To think that this man is out among all the innocent people he lives around! It’s not right 😢
I feel so very sorry for the victims family and the passengers that witnessed this horrific attack 🙏🙏🙏
I often wonder if this had happened to the lawmakers son or daughter if he would of gotten the same punishment? Such a frightening outcome by the doctors who felt he was just fine to let out into the unsuspecting public without anyone making sure he took his medication!
AND why should he get a new name? He’s an adult who has a mental illness and murdered someone, so why shouldn’t people be able to know he’s out there?
There were children on that bus as well. One man with his wife and kids was sat behind Tim and lee and had to get his family over the seats while lee was stabbing Tim on the floor. Harrowing
I’ve had psychotic episodes with bipolar I recognise many of these symptoms with his odd behaviour with his initial decline. People also shun you out of fear. I did not get much help until I attempted to take my own life, after this I was given loads of help and support however after a week the CPN assigned to me went off long term sick (obviously not her fault at all) then the support worker I had has now also gone off sick so once again I am now not supported, I also have episodes of NSSI (non suicidal self injury) so support is essential, therefore this man should 💯 be having continued treatment and some kind of onward recovery package put into place so he is getting consistent treatment and not being able to return to that extreme mental state again and if he does show any signs of change he can get treatment adjusted spend time in hospital making sure he is safe and stable obviously make sure that the public are also safe. This is probably one of the saddest things that I have ever heard. It's not only sad but tragic May Tim RIP and his baby boy is shown what a wonderful person he was 🙏🏽🥰
The way people are left to fend for themselves is disgusting. The community doesn't care about people with mental health issues and sadly the lack of funding of essential services proves it.
I'm really upset you are dealing with being cast adrift. My family was torn apart by suicide as mental health services didn't step in even though we were begging them.
Keep posting your truth.
I also know the trauma off psychotic episodes once I was gonna jump in front off a train security came out and dragged me out of the station. I have attacked police ambulance staff when they were trying to help . I tried to vault a 6ft fence to kill my neighbor that went wrong .But at the end off the day if I had killed I would expect to be in broadmoore for my entirety of my life. Canadian rules are ridiculous. I take medication and ha've to for the rest off my life. You probably take medication to it's what's expected 💜
@@frabtempleton1274 I'm so glad you were eventually able to access the help, treatment and gain insight into your condition. It's upsetting how much you had to go through until services finally took your illness seriously before you hurt yourself or someone else. That you have to live with those events breaks my heart as if mental health services had treated you sooner, none of it would have happened. You're a survivor and inspiration.
Thank goodness that we have people like these greyhound drivers and the lorry driver wandering around this world. I hope they are well and have peace knowing that they did what they could.
Rest in peace Tim ❤
I live in Winnipeg, MB. I was 8 months pregnant that summer. We were all glued to the news for DAYS. Everyone followed this case, it was all we could talk about. There were many protests in Wpg and Selkirk (about 20 mins North) when Vince started to get his freedom back. You did an excellent job telling this horrific story that will forever haunt all of us
This case is so gruesome... My heart goes out to Tim's family and friends. I cannot fathom the depths of grief, particularly to lose someone you love in such a violent, brutal, PUBLIC manner....💔
if you threw a blanket over him he cant see and wil give you the moment to take control
36 passengers...he could still be alive today. If they had jumped on that weirdo. Poor boy 😢
Agreed! Most of them could of jumped on and at least tried to stop him just a sad sad case x
Easy for you to say. Don’t put this on them.
Lee was terrifying waving around a huge knife. It is clear that they did try to help once they had some weapons, but Tim was clearly already dead.
@@jeanallan8106 I wasn’t putting the situation on them! Read my comment properly fgs
I worked at a Sate Pychiatric Hospital in the late 90s, where there was a very pleasant patient is his late 60s living in a Quarter Way House on campus. There were 3 or 4 other patients in the house with him, and at least 2 staff there around the clock as well. I was told he would never be released, even though he seemed quite stable. When he was in his 20s he killed both his parents during a psychotic episode. He lived a very comfortable life. He received treatment, included supervised meds and the community was safe. This is what should have happened with Lee.
Thankyou for covering this case as a person who lived in Winnipeg its never been given the credence it needed
I've come across this one. It's awful, this poor man 😢
I am Canadian and I can confidently speak for pretty much all of us in this country when I say we are completely outraged that there is no system in place to check up on this man. It’s so flagrantly irresponsible it’s not even fathomable.
This is such a sad story cos Lee really isn't really to blame for his horrendous actions, he was in the middle of an episode and I'm sure feels the guilt whilst he's medicated but if he starts to think he's better and stops taking the medication and does it again, will this still be the same response? Why would anyone risk that? Out of sheer respect for the family he needs to be treated as an inpatient or patient but patient at all times
So sorry for Tim& all his loved ones, he sounds like a great person to have had the privilege to know if you were in his circle. I can't imagine how his family must feel 😭💔
Rest in peace Tim 🕊️🥀💐
Wow, this case is so heavy. I 100% agree with you on everything you said. I would not feel safe around Lee at all, even though I also have a huge empathy and understanding for mental illnesses. The fact that he once denied the illness and refused to take medications which led to the murder makes me feel unsafe no matter how big progress he has made and how much healthy he is now. There HAS to be some supervision and I really cannot believe that they just let him go freely. We can only rely on Lee's conscience and hope that he will always keep in mind what he's done, so that it makes him never stop taking meds. But the truth is that no one really can guarantee that.
And all those victims, all the horror... damn, I really don't know if I would let that man walk freely again. The best that I might give him (and there is a big MIGHT) is being highly supervised in a community which is aware of his illness.
It’s 4am in Melbourne Australia, I hope I can stay awake for all of it .
If not I will watch it again tomorrow.
Love you Em ❤
As usual brilliant Emma . As a person who has thease mental issues you are so compassionate but I also believe if I had killed any off the people I slightly hurt I would wholey expect to be in broadmoore for my entirety of my life .💜
Your mental stability is obviously on a different level to the Chinese man.
Yea you’d probably end up in Broadmoor too. People with violent mental illnesses are too dangerous to be released
I have been unable to work as I have psychiatric letter saying I'm a moderate danger to my self and others. And take the highest quality of antiPSYCHOTIC medication and super strength valium .And once you reach that point what will happen if the meds stop Woking
I harm myself a lot but I wouldn't want to harm others but it's like a switch to another self .
Horrific case, you have covered this so well, the backstory and description was the best I've seen on this case! Awful for Tim and his mother, I can see why she feels an injustice. Working in mental health the risk assessing here is ridiculous, for the basic safety of others he should always be supervised!
RIP Tim.
In Australia you post on a Monday and a Thursday and they are my favourite mornings ❤
oh I know the strength with these poor people little tiny ones will surprise you. but taking away the sight and holding them down gives you time to intervene
In the states this guy might have actually got the same sentence Canada gave him, but he would possibly not be allowed to leave the criminal psychiatric hospital they would be committed to. This is how Ed Gein and Andrea Yates were handled. But you are right, in the US, it is really rare to be found not guilty by reason of insanity.
This is one of the few cases i feel that Lee was genuinely unwell and out of his mind. Tim was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Rest in peace Tim. I hope all involved find healing. I hope Lee gets the right care and stays as sane as possible, however he needs restrictions desperately. The fact he has none scares me massively. The nature of his mental health issues means he will so easily think hes better and doesn't need his meds, then someone else will die.
56:23 Hello from Nicaragua 🇳🇮, dear Emma. I had seen this case sometime ago, but you hit it off the park today!! You broke it down in such a perfect way. You gave us a real insight of what was happening to Lee (the scariest man I’ve heard of) mentally but at the same time you share your absolutely justified misgivings of how to treat this very sick guy who can mentally spiral down into psychotic break and kill again. I cannot believe they released him WITHOUT any restraints.
My heart goes out for Tim’s family and his little baby that won’t get to know his father. Thank you so much for this wonderful coverage.
I saw Eleanor Neale cover this and I did think about adding it to my list of cases to cover when I first started doing true crime but it was so horrific that I didn't know if I could do it. Can't wait to hear Emma's report on this.
See this is the kind of murder that divides me, I know Lee should have been locked up longer or at least given rules to follow afterwards but it seems like he was genuinely out of his mind at the time and has expressed his great remorse for what happened. I don't know, I feel like unfortunately there is no justice to be had here.
they should have given him the choice between lifelong incarceration or to be humanely euthanized. in canada, euthanasia of the mentally ill is encouraged for one & all
@@TheBub26 I was surprised by what you said so I looked at the Health Canada guidelines and starting next year you can apply medically assisted dying for any disability, or mental illness only if you are in an advanced state of decline that CANNOT be reversed. Not encouraged at all.
Obviously Lee responded well to treatment and would not be eligible, but I agree with the original comment that is seems completely unreasonable that he has zero supervision.
@@TheBub26The option to euthanise mentally ill people is so dystopian it’s scary. People who are mentally ill are much more likely to harm themselves than others. I completely agree that those who harm others should be within an institution or should be monitored for the safety of themselves and others. Euthanasia, however is not something that should be encouraged unless it is the choice of the individual. Not just those who are mentally ill.
I hope he NEVER has a single day in peace left of his rotten life .
People who have chosen to stop taking their meds once will almost inevitably stop taking them again. Lee should not be on the streets.
No murderer should ever be released without conditions! In my opinion, once you have proven that you can take a life you loose some of your rights.
This reminds me of the case of Raina Thaiday in Cairns, Australia. She had a psychotic break, killed 8 children and tried to kill herself. Her surviving child stands by his mum and said she was a great mum who loved her kids. She had been trying to get help for her mental health for years but the healthcare system turned her away. I remember watching the news and seeing those 8 tiny coffins.
Another tough one. Thanks em. Stay safe everyone, wherever you are.
Oh I'm sl glad you're covering this case Em, it's one I've been hoping you would cover for a long time. Such an tragic and sickening story. I've not watched it yet (saving it for when I'm at work) but I know the story well.
Personally I think it's scary he is walking the streets, especially when it was reported his psychiatrist said if he was to snap again it would be so much worse.
My honest opinion is that if someone is mentally ill, they have been diagnosed but REFUSED treatment they should be held legally responsible. Everyone has a choice about their health but if your choice is able to have these effects then you SHOULD be put under the prison.
Side note: always feel oddly connected to this case.. was on a greyhound bus southbound that had been in Edmonton around the same time, I boarded about 45 minutes south of Edmonton… before I had a cell phone, even as a 16 year old.. but it was a different time… everyone on our bus had no idea and I had never seen my mom so freaked out when she picked me up… heading about it now, my moms panic makes sense.
My heart goes out to Tim’s family and friends❤❤
Binge watching you emma for the past couple of weeks I'm hooked❤
I don’t understand why they would not follow him up after his release. Even here in the UK somebody like this guy would be on a section 41 and would be on a CTO and would have to engage with services and would be on a depot.
I am so glad that I listened to your video. I had heard it covered so many times & its such a horrific one that I had considered just skipping it for today, but I'm glad I didn't. As always, you provided SO much more insight and information that I hadn't heard of at all. This case really hits close to home with me because I know two people who suffer from schizophrenia and both of them have had a lot of moments when they took themselves off their medication. Each of them are known to only take their medications when supervised and it's so sad to see the decline in them when they're off of it. One of them has a really good family support system that had refused to give up on her and would always look for her if she went off of her meds, bring her back home, and try to get her stabilized again. Thankfully now that she's older, she is engaged and with the support of both her fiance AND family, she has been on her medication for years and she's doing incredible! The other person I know unfortunately, is still a little young, but every time he's off of his medication he gets into criminal activity to support himself because he can't work. His family has tried numerous times to help him, but they're so stressed out with his unwillingness to commit to taking his medication that now they've washed their hands of him. It's so sad to see... so hearing that Lee has been left to his own devices is definitely scary because I know all too well what it's done to families of my friends. RIP Tim... ❤
There's no way he should have ever been released. If he had mental health problems and committed that crime, he belongs in a mental hospital. When he was deemed well, is when he should have been put on trial, convicted and thrown into prison never to be heard of again.
I heard about this case from the Lights Out Podcast guys! Always super great to hear all my favorite true crime Podcasters opinions!
Love you Emma!!
When are you coming to the states for a tour?!
I remember learning about this case from Rob Gavagan, when i say this case gave me nightmares and stopped me from sleeping on public transport believe me, it's so awful! 😣
(Sorry that I keep asking for this but I'm really passionate about his case, I'd love for you to cover the case of James Prout, no one ever talks about that case, I've only ever found one documentary and it was just all about the killers... James Prout deserved better and I think you could do that, I'll warn you though it's heartbreaking and it stayed with me for a very long time. 💕 Also the cases of Emani Moss and Adrian Jones, as well as the serial killers Randy Kraft, Robert Berdella, the horrific teenage murderer, Joe Clark are definitely ones you need to cover as well, no one talks about them really either, they are cases of true and utter evilness. It would also be really interesting if you did the Washington Snipers and the recently identified Joseph Augustus Zarelli, who was formerly known as "boy in the box" and "America's unknown child")
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Emma did Tiffany Cole about a year ago,❤
@@Spitfirephotographsthanks for letting me know, I'll definitely have to look for it, I thought I'd watched them all 😅💕
Thanks for profoound insights they are really appreciated.
There's not enough done to bring a fairer justice in this world
I'm captivated by the depth of insight of your videos! To me, they consistently stand out as the most insightful on the youtube true crime scene. On top of that, the passionate delivery and personal approach make it feel like I've engaged in a heartfelt conversation. Amazing job!
Thank you Emma!
I heard this case before, but Emma, you covered it so well and mentioned details that I didn't even hear about. I can't believe that Lee got off so easily. Tim and his family got no justice!!
Thank you again Emma for covering this case with such compassion 🫶
Why isnt the murderer interested in more supervision? If he truly regrets what happened, shouldnt he want to make sure it never happens again?
Even if I have heard a case before I still have to listen to your opinion on the matter! You are just fantastic!!
Oh wow this one is horrendous. That poor guy. And those passangers that had to witness it. Just wow 😡☹️
Love the hair, i defo need my daily dose of Emma tonight..
Looking particularly glam today Emma 👍🏻🤩
Heard this many times so interested in your delivery of this one x
This is unbelievable and scary as hell.
Another great video. You and Dusted make a terrific team. This case brings a lot of emotions, well done for your take on this one. x
Please do another Canadian case on Karla Homolka (+ Paul Bernardo)! Or a case on Celeste Beard, please
Amazing as always 😊😊
Schizophrenia is such a tragic illness. My grandmother had it, and it was soooo difficult to get her treatment and keep her on treatments. Most schizophrenics are totally non violent, my grandma never even raised her voice and was the loviest person ever. They’re far more likely to hurt themselves than anybody else. I’m sure if Lee made it back to reality the guilt he would feel would be unbearable.
I am shaking thinking about him being out, unsupervised. Your coverage is very clear and logical, passionate. I wish you were in charge.
I agree with Emma there should be some supervision and restrictions on this guy
Terrible sad case. But I am sorry the Canadian law, like our British law seems to be on the side of the perputator. I sympathize and agree wholeheartedly with Tim's mother. I don't feel her Son has been given the justice he deserved. That man should be locked up or supervised 24/7. Why should he be free, sorry that's how I feel!!!!
Totally agree UK justice is a joke sometimes I watch these US sentences and just DREAM it was the same here.i also wish that sex offenders were brutalized every time they are locked up here like the US bug it just seems like pple don't care about kids getting abused over here 😢 it's beyond sick
British law tends to favour rehabilitation instead of punishment. If you look at the stats, our instances of re-offending are less than the USA with their crazy long sentences so you can't really claim their system is better than ours.
Sorry my opinion. I have seen too many people let off. But steal money and they throw away the key, infact your hounded. Murder and it's, oh it's a shame, he had a troubled childhood!!
Well done Emma for doing your tours must take alot of energy doing them and these videos. Stay strong and keep going you got this 💜😄😁
Thank you Emma xx
Can I just say your are not only incredibly amazing at what you do you are also blooming stunning as well thank you for all the hard work you put into the cases that we love to watch and get an understanding of what really happened ❤
This is one of those events that you never forget 💔
Canadian viewer here. 👋 This absolutely shocked the nation, not least of all how the perpetrator is now on the streets to do this again. So absolutely heartbreaking. Brother just on a bus home, like any one of us does all the time. 😢 RIP Tim.
This is a case that I heard about for the first time about a year and a half ago. I will never forget the way I felt upon hearing it. It was one of the MOST DISTURBING cases I’ve ever heard. I was beyond shocked and disgusted. The anger I felt toward Vince Lee was only exceeded by my rage at the government for allowing him to go free some years later.
I have seen the pictures of Tim afterwards and they are something I will NEVER be able to forget.
This case remains to be one of the WORST I’ve ever heard about, and when I saw that you were going to cover it, Em, I ALMOST thought about skipping it because of how profoundly this case affected me. However, I’m glad I watched because as always, you bring such dignity and respect to some of the most horrifying cases we’ve ever heard about. You didn’t sensationalize this story nor attempt to make it more macabre than it already was (as if that could even be possible here). It’s a good way for me to remember THIS version of the story going forward, and I am grateful for that. ❤
Love your videos x
I am so glad you covered this horrific case. I first heard about it through the Law&Crime Network YT channel. I have a huge Canadian side of the family, and have been to Winnipeg multiple times. I've never been to Thunder Bay, but want to go.
Congratulations on 200k subscribers!
This is exactly why I stopped using National Express coaches. It's just one egregious to-do after another. My sincere apologies for the flippancy. I struggle with it too, just not enough apparently.
This is going to be a tough one 😢
Me and my bestie saw you in Exeter and it was awesome! Thank you for hanging back and saying hello to us and my new sk on tour Hoody is so lush and comfy thanks hun ❤
The first time I heard this, it shook me more than most cases. It’s one that will always stay with me.
To call this horrific event merely 'disturbing" is disturbing in itself!
Thank you for everything you do Emma and it was beyond awesome to meet you on Wednesday, you are brilliant at what you do I had a fab night and still havent come down from the night .... sorry to all who i pished in front of to have my pictures taken with you. You are so bery very beautiful both imside and out.... i hope u do another tour xxxxxx
R.I.P. Tim 😔😢😔
Rip Tim…Emma Kenny does a good job.
broke my heart watching young people going from nothing really wrong to gone and never the same it is so sad for all
One of your best video Emma rip Tim 😇.
My uncle was locked in a secure facility and died within that facility in the UK. He had schizophrenia but had never committed a crime. It was purely because they thought he was a danger to himself. I find it very bizarre that he was released with no further action to safeguard himself or others.