Rating F1's 2023 Calendar
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- Опубліковано 9 чер 2024
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With F1 having released a whopping 24 Race + 6 Sprint megaseason, I thought it best to take some time out to rate the whole thing. So I did.
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Why don't they bring back the idea of the European GP with Imola/Mugello/Hockenheim/Nurburgring rotating
money
Apparently hosting races every other year doesn't bring in enough revenue to maintain an F1 level venue
@@samfitzpatrick7891Sadly I don't think F1 are interested in funding them either, we're in danger of losing so many good tracks, having a couple of races per season that has a set rotation would satisfy a lot of people, calendar is looking more and more Formula e like every year with these street races.
Most important of all, Spa still isn't safe, 1 year extension is a massive red flag.
why do that when we could just add portugal instead
imola should be permanent,such an old school track and we had fun races there
It starts in Aus and ends in Brazil and I will hold that view til the day I die.
Comfortably, 5-6 races could be cut and not missed, and another couple added, and I’d be content with that.
If only they'd contract races on a rotational basis - if imola switched with mugello every other year and catalunya with Jerez maybe they would be less stale (though it won't inherently make the racing better )
Good shout, but I'd prefer it the other way round. Only if we go back to Adelaide though. If we stay at Melbourne, definitely your way.
I don't mind it starting with other venues, just needs to be venues with a bit more heart.
i'd accept it ending in Suzuka too, but Abu has to go
id personally have brazil as R1 and aus as the finale and also put aus gp back at adelaide
Surprised you didn't mention the ridiculous trip that is LV to AD to end the year. They literally couldn't have chosen 2 races further apart from each other to end it
I bet they would've chosen Sochi instead of AD to make it even further if they didn't drop the contract
Good point!
They didnt choose, they put up to sale, and Vegas paid more for that spot
@@RoyMatzem Because they didn't choose to move Spa's weekend did they ?
It's silly that F1 tries to pretend it's being more environmentally friendly despite a calender like this. Crossing halfway around the world twice just for the last legs of the championship is absurdly silly. It really doesn't matter how little fossil fuels the cars burn in fuel when you've got 10 teams and hundreds of people taking planes around the world a dozen times minimum a season.
Brazil needs to be the last race
Yes please
❤
2008 anyone?
I respectfully disagree. It should return to its place as the second race of the season
And Australia needs to be the opening race
What's your ideal calendar then? Maybe do a video with your ideal calendar - which tracks and when etc?
Wow! As a Brazilian, it really brings me joy to see our GP so highly rated :)
It's an amazing track and I hope to drive there at least once in my life.
Just a minor correction, though, it's SÃO or SAO, with an 'O', instead of a 'U'.
I think it's universal opinion that the Brazilian GP is a complete banger! Easily top three, defo a contender for best of the season for a long time now
As much as I love Drugovich, and I know it's a pity he's not getting an F1 seat. But also I'm a Lance Stroll fan so... not sorry
Yup we all got mad at them considering moving it Rio and we still wish it was the last race of the season but Abh Dhabi pays extra for that privilege.
@@botigamer9011 It's okay to make mistakes, everybody does.
I really liked when Stuart centered in on Switzerland when talking about Austria ;P
And when the travel line to Texas went to Mexico.
Once again...WE NEED A GERMAN GRAND PRIX.
If for no other reason than two of the most successful drivers in F1 ever are from Germany, there needs to be one yesterday.
I know it wouldn't happen but a race on the Nordschleife would be amazing
And yet Fangio isn't enough to get you shouting for an Argentine Grand Prix?
I love the editor for this video. “There’s a limit to what you can glitter” is the best way I’ve ever seen someone describe Vegas (coming from a Southern Californian)
chainbear: *mentions saudi issues* also chainbear: *glances over china and azerbeijan*
Bahrain and Abu Dhabi are also not really the greatest 😬
@@TheZycno yeah but chinas literally modern day nazi germany
Well we could mention human rights violations for all of the host countries to begin with. Saudi is still the worst place on earth for a human being, and Qatar was highlighted for the use of actual slave work, as well :p
If you want to make this a big issue, I think there's not much left to watch in Formula 1
@@89DerChristian not really mate.
I know you said no speculation, but can you do a video with an "optimum Chain Bear score" to see what we could be scoring out of? Genuinely would be curious to see this type of video from you!
i guess that would be 240 + a random number of bonus points
@@NicholasTheKing
how can every track be a 10?
thats impossible, its probably around 200 points. 20 Tracks and around 50 to 60 bonus points.
the point im here is that some interesting CB opinions are always good to hear and if you pair that with a scientific approach testing new things that could work for F1
sign me up for that...
i think the whole point is that it's just a number
His favorite number is 38 and each track is worth 10 points. 24 races times 10 is 240 plus 38 is 278. So possibly 278?
“Net Zero by 2030” they said. As Patrick Swayze’s ghost once said, “What a crock of 💩”
as much as FE really... it's electric but it's still dirty AF
Japan: One of the few races where Europeans have to get up at a weird time
Las Vegas: The race where probably everybody has to watch at a weird time, thanks to being a saturday night race local time :D
Alternatively we just skip LV because it'll be awful anyways and we can show Liberty that it's a waste of a calendar spot
5pm for me
So not really
It's actually one of the only races that doesn't ruin both my sleep schedule and my mood and energy for the day after the race
May not be 5pm
but it is in the 3pm-6pm time bracket
@@chrismdb5686 So judgemental. The track looks pretty good with nice turns and hairpins and the Strip being used as the long straight line.
istg It seems that you guys don't have a legit reason to bash on American races other than pettiness or hating it for the sake of it.
@@accent1666 I am American, the track does not look like it'll produce good racing (like Miami). Put em on a good circuit (the country has plenty) and I'd be far more interested.
I always look forward to the classics; Interlagos, Spa and Suzuka!
Red Bull Ring too.
We've almost finished our gloomhaven campaign we started in 2019... I've been skipping races i don't like this year and it's been great! France, the terrible new street circuits, the terrible old street circuits.. it's like a pick n mix now, worth losing my "haven't missed a race since 2000" record/brag.
I hate street circuits BUT LOVE GLOOMHAVEN! Missing races you don't like is a pro move.
I planned to do that after Miami was a big disappointment. Then I heard both Monaco and France were worth watching
@@dlake1224 i think it's simply that this year is a bit of a novelty with more passing due to new regulations. I don't imagine they're going to be stand out races generally. And you can always go back and watch if it sounds like you missed out on something exceptional!
@@RageBadgerGaming gloomhaven is epic! Even after all this time we're surprised by having new and creative challenges in scenarios. Very well designed game!
being in high school with WAAAY too many extracurriculars i simply don't have time to watch all the races. This year I've watched whatever I can, which is Bahrain race, Saudi quali, half of Australia race, Imola Sprint, Miami race, Spain race, Britain race, Hungary race, half of Dutch race, and Italian race
We've got to the point where we have too many races. Race fatigue sets in in the autumn, each race's importance in the championship is diluted, the championship is way more likely to be settled with several races to go. I still remember the good old days of 16 race seasons, you didn't waste half your weekends, you genuinely looked forward to the next race, it had only proper circuits and it ended in October in Suzuka. Then you had 5 months to get pumped up for the next season. Now with almost half of the year's weekends having races I'm getting too saturated, and I'm finding myself struggling to follow whatever random street circuit grand prix in an obscure dictatorship.
2020 calendar was just perfect. 17 races, lots of proper European circuits added that we never saw again. Where's mugello, where's portimao?
mugello and portimao didnt even have good racing
I agree with your first paragraph, but 2020 was missing Montreal and Suzuka so was not a great calendar. I like the idea of 16 to 20 races tho
@@bacunnnn Eh, Portimao had better racing than Barcelona.
@@nik021298 never sad Barcelona should be on the calendar either
Yeah, spot on. Race fatigue is tough...and way worse when the championship gets wrapped up early. At least in 2021 we had a great battle to the decider. If someone wraps up 2023 with 8 races to go it'll be painful.
128.1 sounds exactly right, but it would be helpful to rank a few recent years against it.
Saudi Arabia gets major points for the on track missiles.
Other than taking up half of my year's weekend my issue with this massive calendar is that there's a lot of back to back races, and triple headers so the power doesn't shift as much between the teams from race to race, simply because there's been no new development of parts.
Nobody will ever convince me that sprint races add anything to F1, they're boring and the only reason they're entertaining in F2/3 is because they're spec series.
Abu Dhabi is like being told you have dinner waiting for you after a long days work and when you get home and it's a toast sandwich.
I wouldn’t bet too much on China not having a strong atmosphere. Zhou will definitely draw in a larger crowd than in the past.
i wonder will they even have a public race there anyway... China is still headstrong in the middle of zero COVID... if they are gonna have a race it's gonna be like the Tokyo 2020 all over again except more closed and more zones... probably no public (plus the locals are scared to be lock up due to sudden lockdown due to infection)
You've validated f1's approach of stuffing in extra races. As long as they score above 3/10 since you only subtracted 12 points they get a higher score from having more races
any extra races does not necessarily mean all extra races
I think it should have division factor of how many race there are. you can add or subtract, but end of day if you have this many race, how much of it is that worth it?
My ideal Calendar:
A lot of annual rotation so we can visit more circuits and places like Malaysia and India which lost commercial interest from hosting every year could may well make every 2 years work:
Round 1 - Australasia (March-April)
1. Australia - classic opener
2. Malaysia/India - alternating year by year - great actual racing track to see which cars/drivers are performing
3. Singapore - Enduring night race on a street track
1 week break
4. China/Korea
5. Japan - alternate between Suzuka/Fuji - Finale of the first leg, potential for a reverse championship order sprint race, winner of this round 1 gets their own little trophy.
2 week break
Round 2 - Middle East/Africa (May-June)
6. Abu Dhabi
7. Bahrain
8. Baku/somewhere new like Morocco or anywhere where there is oil money
1 week break
9. Turkey
10. - South Africa - Finale of the second leg. Again a reverse championship order sprint race.
2 week break
Round 3 - European Leg (July/August)
11. Monaco
12-14 Choose any 3 of Austria/Hungaroring/Nurbergring/Paul Ricard/Imola/Magny Cour/Portimao/Barcelona/Finland
15. Zandfort - annual as long as Max is on the grid, then can get shuffled in with the 12-14 choices
3 week Summer Break
Round 4 - European Classics Leg (Late August - Early September - Triple Header)
16. Silverstone - Finale of third leg.
17. Spa
18. Monza - winner of this mini round gets a classic crown of tweeds or something, these could be wildcard races where all 3 have a sprint race and helps close the grid for the final leg.
2 week break
Round 5 - Americas (October - November)
19. Canada (the only real weather concern preventing a logical flow is holding this race in what would be early October)
20-21. Choose 2 US races from Ia street track and Indianapolis/Austin
22. Mexico
23. Grand Finale in Brazil.
The one thing I'm afraid on this (superb, by the way) calender is Canada at the end. I've never been there personally (hell I'm on the other side of the hemisphere lol), but so close to the end of the year, wouldn't it be snowing by then? Regardless, loved it.
@@felipearellano2811 Canadian here, been to the race twice, also love this calendar. (besides it still being a little long) No it won’t be snowing in montreal in October, but there will be frost on windows every morning and an average temp of a 5-10 degrees (Celsius) range. Plus rain and wind are likely. I live in southeastern Ontario and we haven’t had a proper sunny day in what feels like all of september
Singapore so early on bothers me. It can be in September/October as it should be. But yes otherwise this makes sense.
@@callumloader8713 Ah, I see. Thanks for the info, Callum!
My biggest gripe with the calendar is the back and forth between all the continents for no reason during the season. My sister ended up working out that this current calendar is somewhere around 125 thousand kilometres of travel. If the calendar was changed to start in Japan, move through Asia to Australia, jump across to brazil and back up to do the US and Canada, then do all the European countries west to east, it can be cut down to just over 50 thousand kms of travel instead. I'm curious what the spending difference would be between the two would be, and if it has much bearing on their net zero thing.
Yeh exactly, they're all about going green, but then whoever's heading logistics pulls this s**t. Cut it down to 50 like you say, and bring back the V10s!
There's quite a few races tied to specific dates (Monaco and Canada, for example), plus the first and last have paid for that position.
That said, even with those constraints, you could do a *lot* to reduce the total travel distance.
There is something to remember, various locations have weather risks. Going to Canada in the later parts of the year runs the risk of being too cold, possibly even snowed out. Visiting the hot areas, like Miami, Texas, or the Middle Eastern countries at the height of their summer makes things dangerously hot, for drivers, teams, and visiting spectators. Coastal or island venues might have monsoon or hurricane seasons. You get the idea.
I do agree that the random jumping around is very detrimental to F1's almost shambolic promises to reduce their carbon footprint, but there are some compromises that will have to be made to reduce the issues outside factors might bring.
I would agree with what u say.. Not only cut down a lot of travel time, it also means cost to travel and logistics, carbon release, bla Bla Bla
Thumbs up for Gloomhaven! Still haven't finished our pre-pandemic game.
I refuse to believe there exists a single board game group that has actually 100%-ed Gloomhaven. Not finishing is part of the experience, welcome to the club!
@@dexcuracy we were about to do what felt like the final boss fight and just haven't managed to get around to it. We even switched to playing in TTS over the pandemic.
@@dexcuracy Never give up. You can do it
Zooming in on Switzerland, while talking about Austria just shows, how no one seems to remember the Austrian races. Last year we even had two of those... No one remembers... (yeah I am an Austrian myself and can't remember these races)
And Andorra will be holding the Monaco GP
In Spain there is a circuit, called "circuito del Jarama" (which already hosted quite some f1 gps from back in the 60s to 1981) that is very likely to be updated and reformed by the same guy who modernized Zandvoort, it's looking to replace current Barcelona circuit when their contract ends in like 2026. Hopefully the race track turns out well and we finally get some actual good racing in a Spanish gp. Another thing to add, Paul Ricard circuit was reformed to be a test track so, instead of using Barcelona circuit why don't they use Paul Ricard for pre-season testing now that it's out of calendar?
As always one of the best channels on UA-cam. So clean in presentation and direct and entertaining in delivery. Definitely destination viewing for me with each release. Thank you for your commitment to your craft.
It took me 24 years to have the courage to miss a live race. And the day I finally did, because of work, I met and had a 10 minute face to face with my F1 hero. I learned a lot that day. 😊
Really enjoyed the humour and editing in this one.
Pls make a video on how f1 racing would look like if it happened from one circuit to the next closest circuit and so on starting from Australia to Las Vegas.
Interestingly, Suzuka is so close to being the eastern most circuit in the world lol. Albert park just squeezed through tbh.
7:33
this is actually Switzerland, Austria is just East of it between Germany and Italy.
This was a brilliant video! Brilliant!
Something to note about the Las Vegas race is that its' supposed to start at 10pm local time on the Saturday evening.
That means the race will be finishing at around midnight. Seems extreme for a sports event. I know driver/team jet lag is totally overlooked for the calendar - but the 10pm start seems extreme, and having a race on a saturday is weird (I think - 2020 was my first season, maybe they did this for old races in far-away time zones)
The teams have a week at home in Europe between Brazil and Las Vegas, so they'll be physically operating on European time before they fly to Vegas.
So their bodies will be starting on European time, then flying to Las Vegas where they're expected to operate on days that are 8 hours earlier than their bodies are expecting.
But then the race happens at 10pm Vegas time and they're going to be awake until long after midnight on saturday night/sunday morning.
It just seems like a weird decision imo. Surely it's not a temperature thing - Yes it's in Nevada, but it's also in November. It won't be particularly hot, and the local sunset is before 5pm so it's not like they're just waiting for darkness for a night race.
I guess it's to vaguely preserve EU viewership while also allowing for a Vegas night race, but I just think they could have organised it for a better time.
I find that schedule also extremely weird.
You got a couple of slight confusions there, though. The day at Las Vegas is 8h later from a European point of view. Not earlier.
That also makes the starting time quite inconvenient for European viewers at 6am on Sunday. But maybe that's the reason to choose the Saturday for the race. That way the European audience can watch the replay at a time they're used to watch the races... And it's still a prime time race for American viewers
I've never heard of Sau Paulo. São Paulo however is a very big city in Brasil.
It's time for F1 to increase the salary cap or simply pay the teams to allow teams to have 2 lots of fly away mechanics/engineers etc.
F1 is making an absolute killing at the expense of the teams and its members who really do get a very raw deal.
Agree.
This schedule just screams for A and B teams. Each doing a 3 week trip, with 2 or 3 races during the trip.
Maybe instead of flying home, after Australia. The home front can fly out for a sightseeing trip of China, with the team.
I have been waiting the live stream impatiently. But here we are, this video can also works for me. I hope everything is ok in your life. Cheers!
I understand editing software was playing up, but man it would've been nice to have a track layout visible when discussing each race. I can't remember all layouts but a simple 2d line would've helped massively :)
Would be interesting to look at how shipping goes because flying some people around the globe isn't all that bad compared to all the equipment that needs to be shipped. But teams have i believe 3 garages for example, so maybe they can be more efficient like that. Not saying this calendar might be good but would be interesting to see
5:12 yeah I missed it, especially in 2023 when they cancelled again, they just returned to china in 2024 a few weeks ago.
Not sure why I'm pleased to find out you play Gloomhaven, but yay!
Honestly I think Abu Dhabi deserves an extra half point because it makes the fans slightly less devastated that it's winter break
Great video! If you don't like the non integer points system or the fact that each track could only add points rather than take them away, I rounded all the track scores to the nearest integer and subtracted 5 to give a range from -4 to 5. Keeping the rest of the scoring system as is, if I did my math right, that would mike the final score 12! That seems like a much better arbitrary number than 128.1.
yes please.
See How They Run is fun, I'd also recommend Confess, Fletch as another fun mystery movie
stu lad I couldn't help but notice that you zoomed in on switzerland when you were talking about austria
Now that you've reviewed next year's calendar, the next step is to show us your dream calendar.
As an American we only need one race, and if we have a second it should be at Indianapolis to capture Midwest fans
"Piss poor temporary track slapped on a beach" - shots fired
I can say the same about Miami and Monaco.
Just like those rebels
Great Video, you mispelled São Paulo . Love the content you make btw
You forgot to mention the hotel in yas marina, it's a phalic building that glows in the dark.
Last year I was getting burnt out by usa and i missed a couple later races. I can't see it being any better with more sprints.
An an unexpected new chainbear video!? Yes, please! Favorite F1 UA-camr hands down.
Total score: 128.1
Math teachers: "128.1 what? Potatoes? Apple's? Also 128.1 out of what? Out of 1? 200? 129?"
me too bro i'm end of august can't believe they're moving spa
i'd add a point or two for not scheduling the same weekend as the 24h of le mans, and i'd dock a few points for making the 24h of spa move their historic date.
i mostly agree with your science. I also come out on 128.1. Only difference is I would have given china 5 instead of 7 and give 2 points for the fact that Paul Ricard is off the calendar.
hey
i love your content!🙂
just wondering when you are planning to carry on with f1 manager?
no pressure just intrigued to see how you got on! take care!
Spa has been late August, not early September. It was my birthday race. Now it's Zandvoort. 27th August, on my birthday, Zandvoort.
20 is really the sweet spot for races... starting in aus and ending in brazil would be great, qatar, spain, imola could easely go.
as a candian who went to the Canadian Gp for the first time I agree with Stuart. It's really fun and interesting
"Austria!"
*zooms onto Switzerland*
Alright Stuart...
Slightly odd to focus the map on Switzerland and France rather than Austria when talking about the Austrian GP :)
Otherwise solid video
I now want to know more about Chain Bear's Gloomhaven campaign.
Spa was usually at literally the weekend of my birthday that and it being one of the home races... hate what they've done with it, weather reasons are dumb too, last year we had those floods in july
Ah man, I'm the same. Spa first race on my birthday week. Holds a special place. Sad times.
Great video, and yes, you should see "See How They Run", it was good
Seconded! It was really good fun.
Only 128.1!? That is a crime! Clearly this calendar is objectively worth 128.33! How could you possibly be this wrong!
The Las Vegas Grand Prix will be in November, and in Las Vegas in November it can get really cold at night so expect a pretty cold race because the race starts at 10 pm, the days high would’ve dropped significantly
So the reason for the Atlantic hopping in the summer is the hospitality areas. There’s one set in the Americas and you can’t do back to back races with the same set
We would love to welcome you!
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Test at Barcelona, race at Aragon (or vice versa, pick your poison). Also a modernized Dijon-Prenois would be a great addition IMO; just think of it like Bahrain outer layout with more elevation changes and flow.
They should do cameras like at Laguna seca indycar race for tracks like imola and Austria to show the track elevation changes. Think it will really add a lot to the TV experience. Check it out if you haven't!
Laguna Seca is not a FIA Grade 1 circuit, so it can't host F1 races unfortunately.
@@Mattoropael lmao did you even read his comment?
You should play gloomhaven on weekday evenings like me! no need for it to eat into precious F1 time
I like how he talks about austria and showing switserland on the map.
7:14 "Austria!" (Proceeds to zoom in on Switzerland)
Having just joined my first D&D group, I also cherish a free Sunday afternoon.
Pulling no punches this time Stuart, I like it.
I'd have liked Portugal instead of Monaco. Or anything else, really.
But I for one am happy about the increased number of races and sprints.
Yeah Portugal is underrated
Monaco can't go bc of history
Istanbul better
@@G_PTYNicolasCMP It's worse bc it has too many high-speed corners, which make it hard to overtake.
@@xk1390 *coughs* 2021 race
LOL, I watched this right after watching some board game videos, so when you mentioned Gloomhaven, I didn't bat an eye. But then it dawned on me...this is an F1 video! Enjoy your Gloomhaven :)
Well now I desperately want you to do this to other seasons so we can compare the point values
Interesting that the complaints are often about the new tracks and the long autumn but actually the majority of the low ratings for tracks were in the early Europe stage. Maybe that is where we should be cutting tracks
Two points:
1. They should put tracks on a rotation from year to year to keep things interesting and generate hype via scarcity
2. They really should break up the championship into regions and schedule them accordingly. North America could be a mini championship where there are engines/components that have to last for that 'mini championship'. Then they can move to the European mini championship, Asian, African (Kyalami please!), etc... It would cut down on the footprint of F1, and give it a bit more flair and excitement. Doing it in bunches (4 races in 4 weeks etc) would allow the teams to stay in country/region and while a big push, it would cut down on team burnout overall, because you could schedule mini summer breaks between each mini championship...
I hope that it's Frosthaven rather than Gloomhaven I have to get on with next year. :p
FROSTHAVEN IS GONNA BE AMAZING!
Dear F1,
If you want to expand in the US there’s a great grade 1 track in the Midwest that you probably have heard of. It’s called the Indianapolis Motor Speedway
My biggest gripe with Saudi track is the blind super fast turns comes packaged with close hard walls is while kinda dangerous but is unique …… but also makes me question even more why f1 has never considered an oval or two per season if only for variety or even an 90s style Hockenheim ring?
Loving the Gloomhaven arc
Can’t help but notice that when presenting Austria the map focuses on Switzerland
we are waiting for you in greece to watch some f1!
Ok the thing about Saudia Arabia being hard to overtake is not true considering Max and Charles were playing DRS chicken. I also think while it isn’t a great track that was probably the race of the year for me at least when it comes to battles for the lead.
Living in Australia I only give up a bit of sleep given the typical time of day that the races run during the year. The more races the better. Australia should be first or last though and run at 3pm local time. It would be nice if they did the races that are in roughly similar time zones together.
Yes Next Year French Grand Prix Removed On The Calendar!
Maybe still better than Las Vegas? we shall see
Never really like it. Won't be missed.
See How They Run was brilliant and nicely short to get you back to Gloomhaven
You zoomed into switzerland when you talked about Austria
Board game afternoons was really funny! And so is See How They Run. You won't be disappointed
Also Las Vegas is actually in Paradise
Belgium at the end of july is a good thing. August is a very wet month usually here. Moving it to sooner lowers the chances of it being rained out. Let's be fair Spa in the rain is borderline suicide, we should minimize the time spent taking eau rouge in the wet.
Haha jokes on you Belgium is now my Birthday race!
Las Vegas will be my birthday race😇, Already looking forward to it
I love it, "back to back weekends? I heard the trip from Azerbaijan to Miami is easy"
It is if you have a private Jet.
24 races is, for me at least, 6-7 races too much. Half the excitement around F1 when I first started following it closely in early 2000s was the waiting between races and then making sure not to miss one. Now, if I miss one who cares, next weekend is new race. And when one team dominates like this year then last quarter of the season is like who cares, I have other things to do