Bumblebee is Awful (RWBY) - The Anime Vault
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- Опубліковано 5 січ 2023
- It was a highly requested ship that got realized into the main show. And just like a lot of RWBY's ideas, boy this just didn't work at all.
The White Fang Problem:
• The White Fang Problem...
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What's really unforgivable is how Yang became a horrible sister to Ruby. One of her main points was that she would always be at Ruby's side and now with Bumblebee, it's like Ruby doesn't even exist. She cares more about her cat girlfriend than her own sister.
I know, right!?
It’s so messed up.
@@thomasraines1396
It’s beyond messed up. A cornerstone of Yang’s character is now completely gone and people don’t seem to see that as a fucking problem.
@@RickyUzumaki993 that’s fucking crazy.
@@thomasraines1396
I know, right?
Guess Taiyang spoke facts when he said that Yang lost braincellls alongside her arm.
Another possibility.
That was actually Adam's real semblance- Brainsucker. Sucks the brains out of his opponents. Sucked his own brain out too by accident.
Indeed!
Monty said himself:
“ I have some cast members and some crew members who are like: 'this would be really cool'; but the thing is we can’t just *shove* it out there. It has to be *earned.* Which is, which is the better way to do it. Uh, and a lot of these characters we try to look at them outside of their gender so we just want to do what's *natural* for them.”
That's the problem with Bumbleby when it started ramping up in Volume 7 onwards: it was *shoved* in people's faces, so it didn't feel *earned.* Remember that they only just mended their broken friendship after overcoming Adam at the end of Volume 6, and instead of reconnecting and rebuilding their friendship from there, they were ALREADY flirting with each other constantly out of nowhere in the following Volume.
Sun and Blake was a pairing that was cooking on a slow-burn from Volume 1 to the beginning of Volume 6 when they parted ways and Blake kissed Sun on the cheek after all they went through together. In order for the general audience (which is everyone else other than the Bumbleby shippers) to accept the Bumbleby pairing, the writers had to AT LEAST put in as much care into crafting Yang and Blake's time together as they did with Sun and Blake.
They didn't.
The general audience didn't accept this romance because there wasn't any proper opportunity for this romance to develop after Volume 6 concluded. Spending time together while in the presence of their other teammates Ruby and Weiss doesn't count. They have to spend quality time alone together, and fighting Grimm while on missions doesn't count either because it's work and it's their job. Suddenly flirting with each other out of nowhere after Volume 6 concluded made absolutely no sense. It was as if the writers wanted to make Bumbleby happen without putting in the work to make it feel *natural,* that's why it felt forced every time it came up.
No one bought what the writers were trying to sell as "quality bonding time" between Yang and Blake except for the Bumbleby shippers who looked the other way when bad writing was lowering the quality of the show.
The only real opportunity for Bumbleby to start cooking was starting in Volume 7 and because the writers felt that they started cooking Bumbleby way too late, they turned up the heat to make up for lost time instead of cooking it on a slow-burn like they did with Sun and Blake. By the time Bumbleby finished cooking, the roast was burnt long ago and it left a bad taste in people's mouths.
When the general audience pointed out the obvious problems, the Bumbleby shippers looked the other way because the writers were making their romantic fantasies of their favourite pairing come true. It didn't matter if the writing was garbage, they only cared that it happened. This leads to a monkey's paw scenario where you get what you wished for, but it becomes twisted and deformed and ruined what you cared about before it became reality.
If the shippers actually acknowledged the very real issues and owned it by saying that they can accept/tolerate them as long as their ship became reality, there wouldn't be such animosity towards them by pretty much everyone. Instead, they deflect, deny reality, and do mental gymnastics to "convince" others that Bumbleby was always a thing from the very "beginning" when there was no such evidence until Volume 7. The really toxic Bumbleby shippers even accuse people pointing out very real problems as homophobic because they couldn't defend, acknowledge, or own these problems; it was just a deflection tool because they know the execution of the pairing was bad.
There's a reason why the RWBY fandom has a reputation for being toxic, and it's because of these people. As for the general audience, they see Bumbleby for what it is: fanservice that could have worked, but was poorly executed.
You just said what many people would have said. And sad reality is, that a LOT of people actually forgot, what Monty said and just belived RT blindly. 🥺
Thank! You! Finally, someone fucking says it!
Also doesn't help that they got rid of Sun because they didn't want to animate him anymore.
They cut him out to cut on animation budgets (why fight scenes became less creative down the road) and they had a romance arc with him and Blake.
Remove a romance without a replacement?
Shove Yang in because diversity is popular and shipping people liked it... And then drag it out with a lot of hinting and no payoff.
Done to imply romance without the effort, work, or commitment to do it.
Black sun was literally the best ship.
What little there was that could pass as 'BeeS moments' could easily pass just as well as friends being friends, like with how Ruby and Weiss have been there and doing everything together and supportive, at least until V9.
But yes, besides a few moments that need to be twisted to suit the need of the Wasps, there wasn't really anything to support BeeS until V9 where they fell into a world where nothing makes sense... meaning that was the only place that BeeS could make any sense at all. And it was done in a way to ensure that it could only be seen as forced.
Sun canonically knows more about Blake’s life and more significant in with the WF than any of the other main cast does. He was the first to know about Blakes history with the White Fang. He knows about her home, Menagerie, and how the faunus first settled there. He’s met Ilia and even her parents. He gets along well with Kali and he has Gira’s begrudging tolerance. And in the end he helped her take back the White Fang and truly defeat Adam to where killing him in V6 seems more like tying a loose end
I know, right?
Yet, he can't be with Blake because she has to be gay 😮💨
Agreed, sun would of been a much better ship for Blake as they generally have alot more Chemistry with each other. But having the fans force something like this just sucks with all the ships going on it just makes the show worse, as much as I love the show the fan base kills and ruins the show for me and for many others too
Bruh why does like any character that has a good relationship turns gay wtf is the purpose
This is why I stopped watching RWBY all together. The shippers and bad writing turned the series off for me.
I feel your pain. Now I just stick to writing fanfiction while trying to do the characters better. May eventually fan animate my stories, too.
I'm seriously considering the idea of no longer watching it anymore mostly because of these ridiculous ships that the toxic fans kept forcing on the rest of us and the fact that the writers simply caved into those toxic fans ridiculous demands. Honestly I'm only watching it for inspiration for my personal fanfiction
@@Wingedshadow96
Honestly, that’s pretty much what I did
I only read RWBY fanfics now, because even THEY have better writing skills than the idiots at RT.
The writing is definitely just pathetic lol.. but it’s rare to see a show cave in to fans.. figures that it would be RT of all people lol.
I miss the old Yang. the Yang, who cracks a few skulls and cracks up a few jokes. And on top of that, she was BADASS.
I know, right? Yang was great back then
@@RickyUzumaki993
Now she's just a ship material.
@@KritoSkywaker
Which sucks
@@RickyUzumaki993
And ruined her character as a whole... 🥺
@@KritoSkywaker
Got that right
You know what really pisses me off about bad writers? The missed opportunities.
The sad part is that so many of RWBY’s ideas could’ve worked. But they didn’t execute them well, or missed a clearly big opportunity.
I know, right?
@@TheMKninja
I’m glad I’m not the only one who sees it
@@TheMKninja All for Bumbleby to happen...! Bastards...
@@jorgezaldivar3113
Indeed
Worst of all is that Yangs character was completely butchered when she got her arm cut off, might as well died there and then. So much potential wasted.
I feel your pain, my friend. I honestly feel the same way
I don't think her character was butchered. You'd probably act like Yang too if you got your arm cut off and lost a huge battle for your school
@@jcoolguy1548Personally, I see both ends. I don’t think her character was ruined over losing her arm, and actually believe that the change she went through in volume four was decent for RWBY standards. As much as I loved how upbeat early RWBY Yang was, it would’ve been too contrasting with the darker tone the other characters and the story took after the fall of Beacon.
The issue however is that when team RWBY reunites, there’s too much focus on Yang’s development as a love interest than as a newly disabled character (at least where I was at in the series before quitting), and THAT in my view is how her character fails.
It could have worked, if they weren't focusing on the political BS, which is too obvious in the series, nowdays.
@@KritoSkywaker Not focusing on political BS wouldn't have changed much if anything if we're being brutally honest here. Sometimes you're just shit at writing.
Remember how the first like 4 or 5 seasons heavily hinted at Blake and Sun being a thing? Then suddenly blam... Blake and Yang suddenly love each other.... BUUUUUULLLLSHIIIIT.
yea,it sound like the crappy legend korra shippimg crap all over again
@@azurekite3870
RT Watched too much Legend of Korra and said "Hey! Let's copy the same formula! What could possibly go wrong?"
@@azurekite3870 exactly
I had someone try to claim that all of what happened in the show wasn't important. Than try to claim that clearly things were leaning towards Blake and Yang.
Yet when I pointed out then that makes much of the bs in season 4 and 5 worthless. They had no counter argument.
They even tried to ignore how Blake and Sun are a lot like Blake's parents and they clearly were goin for that.
@@Krensharpaw
Everyone just follows the woke train, because if they won't, they gonna be the Number 1 suspect for their idioticies.
Absolutely stupid. I can't believe how much they murdered this show. Like are we just going to PRETEND SUN DIDNT HAPPEN?!?!
Bumblebee is toxic and true fans know that Blacksun is supposed to be cannon but the show's creators simply carved in to the ridiculous demands of the most toxic fanatics who claimed to be fans. It was literally stated at the start they were straight and the purpose was for them to be sisters. Monty literally said the team had a sort of sisterhood. Basically this is like spitting on Monty's grave. I just want the show to get better. It seems like now it's just giving in to the gay ships the fans want and is less about what it was like in the first couple volumes. Unfortunately, with Bumblebee now being canon I'm probably never gonna pick up the show again. Sigh, now I can only rely on fanfic for RWBY content.
@@zereffox1227 THATS EXACTLY WHAT IM ALWAYS SAYING!!! Like, did Monty mean NOTHING to them?!?! He died, entrusting this to his brother and them, and they really are being selfish and doing what they want. Now Blake's whole personality is bring yangs girlfriend, yang is just the standard Dom in that stupid lesbian relationship, ruby is having an almost out of nowhere breakdown, probably partly because her sister is ignoring her entirely, and Juane is truly suffering and they're too busy being lesbian too care. Like, WHAT?!?!?
@@Unofficially_Majestic Facts man, there are tons of LGBT characters in the show that a lot of fans don't hate, so you would think that fans hating, DESPISING even, the Bumblebee ship that they would understand that this IS a BAD SHIP. They're spitting on Monty's grave. For the show to be good again, they need to completely scrap everything past season 2 and redo everything after season 2 so that it coincides with Monty's original vision for the show. They ruined Blake's character, one of my favorite characters, with this ship. They need to scrap everything past season 2 and let the people who made RWBY: Ice Queendom make everything past season 2. I held this show so close to my heart, and now I'm depressed whenever I hear about it. RWBY fanfic is now the only RWBY content I choose to expose myself to now. Literally, a lot of fanfic authors would be better writers for the show than CRWBY.
@@zereffox1227 for real! Fanfictions are literally better than the original at this point, and thats how you know something was off. Rwby was my first real show I watched with my siblings, my older brother showed it to us back when season 1 had released, and we absolutely loved it. I loved Blake, and tho that love dwindled a little as we approached season 3, I could sit down and enjoy the development she was having. Adam was so intriguing and scary, it was just so good!! And then they slaughtwr him like an animal, axt like he's really the bad guy here when he was just a broken man, and treat him like an abusive ex. Like, what?!?!?
I think everything up to the end of season 3, when pyrra left jaune, was monty's plan. Fun fact, jaune was supposed to go up to fight Cinder with her, but noooo he's a guy! He can't be important or right! Let's have ruby intrude at the last second and act like she suffered more in losing her than they did! Bull shit. Volume 4 comparatively wasn't amazing, but it wasn't bad and I can still enjoy it once I take out all the Yang crap. Blake's arc fell short ad well, but I appreciate Tyrian and Ren and Nora's back story. That's it. They never loved Monty if they'd do this to his beloved show, and his brother should be ashamed of himself
@@Unofficially_Majestic Facts, and although everything past vol 2 is canon, I will always pretend RWBY ended after vol 2. I watched until vol 6 or 7 HOPING that it would get better, unfortunately, it did not and I dropped it. RWBY got me through early COVID, when I was in a really bad headspace, so I really held the show close to my heart.
I still held out hope that the show would get better which is why I still kept tabs via UA-cam, only to find out Bumblebee, goddamn Bumblebee, IMO the worst ship and one of the things that ruined the show, became canon. I was tired from work and was trying to relax when I saw that. This ship being officially canon, although in my head nothing past vol 2 and the middle of vol 3 is canon, ruined 2023 for me.
I will remember this year as the year when the main RWBY series died in my heart. And if the ship being canon wasn't bad enough, Ruby pretty much tries to k*ll herself. CRWBY has had no clue wtf to do with the show since Monty's death, RIP. In the end, CRWBY decided to make Monty roll over in his grave as they spit on it with their pandering to the "loud minority". There ARE PLENTY of LGBT characters in the show that I have no issue with, but Bumblebee is just an unnecessary and toxic relationship that should never had happened and it was not what Monty wanted. Monty wanted them to be like sisters. You can be really good friends with someone of the same gender, help them overcome their trauma, and help them conquer their inner demons without being gay.
Again, this is all my opinion and I'm not trying to start a fight. At least I still have RWBY fanfiction.
To anyone saying Bumblebee was planned from the start because Monty Oum said there was going to be lgbt characters in Rwby, keep in mind he did NOT say Yang and Blake were going to be lgbt.
Yet the shippers wants us to belive that. I call that BS. They alienated their audiance, only for the sake of Virtual Signalling.
I had someone claim just that to me and then try to be like "but Sun said he was there to help Blake as a friend".
And it made me wonder if they not only paid attention to the story and to why Blake's mom reacted the way she did to Blake and Sun. But how they clearly were into eachother and many relationships start out from friendships.
But no, Yang and Blake being friends and then loving eschother makes more sense.
Lol wha?
It was literally stated at the start they were straight and the purpose was for them to be sisters. Rooster Teeth can try to bs it all they want, but you can't go against the word of God aka Monty. He even set up ships for them that aren't LGBT. The LGBT community trying to take over everything and demand they get their way has been ruining games and shows for years now. I'm all for respecting the LGBT community but not when they're toxic and force things that were not intended. Of course, I believe CRWBY should be blamed more for further pandering to them and basically ruining what Monty originally planned. Heck, it was supposed to only be 7 seasons.
@@Krensharpaw Bumblebee is toxic and true fans know that Blacksun is supposed to be cannon but the show's creators simply carved in to the ridiculous demands of the most toxic fanatics who claimed to be fans. It was literally stated at the start they were straight and the purpose was for them to be sisters. Monty literally said the team had a sort of sisterhood. Basically this is like spitting on Monty's grave. I just want the show to get better. It seems like now it's just giving in to the gay ships the fans want and is less about what it was like in the first couple volumes. Unfortunately, with Bumblebee now being canon I'm probably never gonna pick up the show again. Sigh, now I can only rely on fanfic for RWBY content.
@@zereffox1227
Not while those ignorants are the writers. 😭
You can still make a good story without romance in it.
@damienlarson4145
You can, but as a shipper I know full well how my kinfolk think. If we see so much as an ounce of chemistry, we ship.
@@DemonicRemption And not neccecary the good kind of chemistry, right? XD
Really the only really good interaction between Blake and Yang is in the episode “burning the candle.” We’re Blake’s repeated attempt at getting to Torchwick are taking a toll on her and Yang confronts her about it in an empty classroom. Telling Blake about her own past attempt at rushing in to get answers, that nearly ended in disaster for her and Ruby. It really shows the caring and nurturing side of Yang and how she’s looking out for people she cares about.
Problem is, this scene isn’t really framed in a way, or made clear that Yang is ether doing this because she’s trying to save a person she loves. Or she’s trying to help a friend she cares about. It’s also really telling that despite Yang sharing her past experiences with Blake, Blake never returns the favor, and opens up about herself to Yang. It’s ether done to the hole group, or to Sun.
And that’s just one of the reasons Bumblebee is such a bad ship.
Great video.
Thank! You!
Thank you for putting into words what I could not.
@@sombraelerizo
Agreed
One of the worse side effects of it is in V9:
Why didn't Yang do the "Burning the Candle" with Ruby? Ruby was in the *exact* spot Blake was in V2. Down to the 'hiding her emotions well'.
Yeah, their relationship is based on a traumatic event that made them both codependent which is really unhealthy, they have little to no chemistry as a couple yet they are now attached constantly at the hip and do the same rubber band move over and over while not doing anything interesting with either character individually. It's really depressing they acted like it was a "big thing" when they both called each other pretty then kissed but it is hard to get invested in such a bland, meaningless relationship. Blake is just as bad of a character as she had always been and yang has been demoted to number 2 in a token lesbian couple.
I know, right?
Their relationship being based on a traumatic event is a good idea on paper. But maybe if these two had more moments together before the event like them talking about their likes and dislikes or comparing fighting skills, anything, this ship would be enduring and overall great.
@@kidprime6863
Or at least not completely and utter hot garbage that makes any sane person doubt they could eat the amount they want to vomit while watching it
@@RickyUzumaki993 Like I said, all of it is not a bad idea on paper. Plus, Yang could secretly harbor blame on herself for Blake leaving. I mean it kinda was Yang's fault. She rushed on in without thinking and didn't get the memo that her Aura was depleted. Sure, she wanted to save Blake but she would've lost more than an arm if she wasn't careful. Plus, Adam did that just to make Blake suffer.
@@kidprime6863
Nope. The moment that they completely changed Adam’s character from what little we got when Monty was alive, they had already borked this idea completely.
I said it before but Blake and Yang's "Relationship" effectively ruined both of their characters. Blake barely has a character anymore and Yang is nothing like the fun, energetic badass we saw in the first few volumes. Now they are just Bumblebee and that's all they are, their characters, interests, personality traits all of that is gone and all we have left is Gay. You wanna ship fine, that's what fanfiction is for, but if you can't make it work in the story than don't do it.
And one of the worst upsetting part of it, is that it ruined Yang's and Ruby's sisterhood. 😭😭
Damn right! I can’t stand this!
They’re the textbook toxic lesbian couple. One with hardly any personality but is weak and only follows her partner, the other is quick tempered and confrontational to almost anyone.
You can say that again. There are even rare ships that had more build up than Bumbleby. Like Knightshade or Sun Prism.
@@jorgezaldivar3113
Indeed
I perfer yang to be single and blake to end up with sun. 😂
I would’ve preferred that over this forced bullcrap
I know it never had a chance, but I kind of would have liked to see Yang with Jaune. I think it can work better then White Knight, anyway.
@@murphyjack90
I would’ve given that a chance, but I doubt they would’ve done it well
@@RickyUzumaki993 yep, thats the thing.
@@murphyjack90
It’s because these writers are hacks
9:50, And the Blake and Yang ship collapsed in on itself with episode 6 of Volume 9 with the supposed planned kiss scene. The writers decided to pull the same scenario that Star Vs The Forces of Evil did with the Kissing Booth episode segment, but the writers made the execution worse by making the stakes become extremely high for cheap drama.
If Blake and Yang didn't at least admit they love each other one the bridge, or kiss, they may have fallen to their assumed deaths in those swirling clouds below them while on the bridge.
Not only did the world have to force them together, but the world had the pull the narrative equivalent of holding a gun to their heads and say "if you don't kiss, you die." Not only does that not lead to a healthy or believable relationship for anyone, but because Yang and Blake never talk about their feelings, how they are feeling, or about their experiences, the possible questions the kiss would bring up in either of them, for example either Blake or Yang may think "was that kiss genuine or a move of survival," the audience will miss out on growth that Blake and Yang may have in their relationship, and as characters independently, while the writers will miss out on giving Bumblebee ship fans actual moments of Blake and Yang interacting in anything outside of fanservice.
The writers, in attempt to please Bumblebee shippers, missed out on making Blake and Yang's relationship believeable, well written, and how it would grow their characters, while also missing out on more opportunities for Bumblebee shippers to get Bumblebee moments. Laziness just cost the writers a lot on both sides. All because the writers couldn't think of another way to get Yang and Blake to kiss for the fans.
I guess the writers watched too much of Legend of Korra or even Highschool DxD. 🤦🏻 But that would only confirm their lack of research capabalities.
Btw, it is good to see you. Anything that happened to you so far? 🫡
@@KritoSkywaker Been mostly fine. Watched a few Garrick Shultz videos related to RWBY and his defense of the show and Bumblebee as it currently stood by Volume 6.
His main argument in defense for the show was "critics were being too mean to the show" and that "the show is good because it's come so far and because it's his favorite."
While I don't mind a person feeling any way about a show, if the defense one is trying to make for RWBY, or anything really, is based on a feeling or the defense of "it's my favorite," not only is it extra hard for such an argument to sway those that feel the opposite, but because I may not agree with that feeling, or someone else may not, such a feeling based argument may automatically make myself and some of the audience be at odds with the argument due to it possibly not being how they feel.
@@Number1Rival
Man...We can have disagreements without even trashing the other. But some people are just completely butthurt over the fact, that their favorite show is becoming a dying cashcow.
So they create their own personal arguements, what was supported by the VAs and RT itself, and then they create their own delusional conclusions, without listening or not wanting to listen the opposite side.
Damn...even fans can create better Bumblebee content than the actual showrunners, who were so desperate to make money. But ended up pissing off a good majority of the LGBTQ Community as well. Good riddance, RT.
@@KritoSkywaker I wish Garrick had created arguments that were supported or based upon evidence by RoosterTeeth or the VA's. Garrick wasn't even able to do that.
In fact, in his video, he kept saying that RWBY wasn't a real thing, or story/product, yet until volume 4 and 5, that it didn't have a core or story worth telling until volume 5, that RWBY wasn't a full show until volume 4 and 5, and that it didn't have to be good originally for fans to become fans of the show. And that because it's his favorite show, and has come a long way, it's a good show.
I mean, Monty Oum spending most of his time working on animations and character designs before his passing kinda already disproves much of what Garrick said, but I would also assume that in order for RWBY to have been considered good by fans, or at least likable, it would've had to have at least something good about the show early on.
One of the arguments he used to support why volume 6 was good was him simply saying "casual gay representation, that's a plus." Meanwhile, someone may come along and say "it's not a plus. It's a negative." Then both sides would argue back and forth on that detail rather than the narrative execution of the detail instead.
Personally, that's why I am disappointed with Bumblebee. The writers had, and still have a lot of opportunities to explore Blake and Yang as characters, to develop them independently and together in their relationship, and even have them actually talk to each other. Instead, Bumblebee has become both fan service and a get out of jail free card for the writers to say "look! We have lesbians!" whenever something bad turns up.
Bumblebee isn't a fleshed out relationship within the show. It's fan service. It's a carrot, a rotting one, tied to the end of a stick meant to pull the audience along till the end of the series. It's kinda why I'm glad White Rose hasn't become confirmed yet, or hasn't received as much focus. Knowing how Ruby's character was handled this last volume, and how Weiss has been constantly mishandled narratively since her arc in volume 1, White Rose may out do Bumblebee's terrible writing execution if it were to be confirmed.
At least when I've heard many other people defending the show, they do take some facts, or elements from other arguments from or of the show, and use them to defend their stance. Nakama, as much as his arguments are flawed and filled with holes, is one of the only defenders I have heard recently to go beyond using the argument of "it's good because my favorite." Even then, he was able to explain why he liked RWBY. "RWBY opened him up to new ideas that he never thought of before."
Nakama is also one of the only defenders I know of that has gone head first into countering or criticizing critics. For as many of his arguments that may be wrong, and for some of the lies he has told, he has set a high bar as an example of a RWBY defender because he hasn't told anyone to shut up, except me once and Judgemental Critter once, and he hasn't deleted any comments criticizing him. Nakama actually even responded to myself and a few other commenters criticizing him.
@@Number1Rival
Yeah. At least some defenders trying to use their own arguements, to defend their passion of the show. And there are the majority, whom criticize the critics, for bad mouthing their favorite show or ship.
And yeah... RT making the BB Canonization step also had destroyed many things they had setted up before. And yeah. Manga Kamen even said that the only thing that matters, is that Yang and Blake finally kissed.
Blake had more chemistry with Sun and the Chameleon girl. I wasn't really involved with the RWBY fandom before (and I don't intend to become involved with it after seeing some of it)...so bumblebee kinda came out of left field for me.
If they wanted LGBT representation, they should have paired Blake with the Chameleon girl. At least she actually loved Blake prior to the show. Could have just trhown in some scenes where Blake obviously loved her too.
I can’t get behind Blake and Sun because of how much she treats him like crap in Volume 4.
@@thomasraines1396 True. My boi Sun did not deserve to be treated like that.
@@JayRedGear he didn’t no.
@@thomasraines1396 it was just Vol. 4 , what she did to him in Vol. 5, My Memory of it is nonexistent
@@thomasraines1396 dude, I said V5, Not V4
I was once a Bumblebee shipper (a casual one who was fine with BlackSun as that was the ship that was hinted at and developed since Volume 1) but nowadays, I hate it. Both characters just become shallow shells of their former selves and it really feels like they can't go 1 inch away from each other. It is honestly so annoying seeing these two together.
Blake's story is now defined solely by Bumblebee now. No mention of the Fanus or White Fang. I guess because Rooster Teeth sucked so hard at that story, they wouldn't bother trying to continue it.
I actually now think that Weiss and Blake could've been a much better ship. They started off on the wrong foot, at each other's throats with Blake defending the White Fang due to their poor treatment while Weiss labels the White Fang as criminals (and it isn't a baseless claim as WF members have harmed humans and even killed them, most doing it deliberately). Weiss' family company is the biggest cause of Fanus discrimination and working them like slaves. Weiss herself isn't technically racist. She's ignorant. She also dislikes how her father runs the company so she would dislike how the Fanus are treated.
Thinking about it now, I actually think it would be more impactful if it was Weiss who had her arm sliced off by Adam instead of Yang and it would've planted the seeds of the eventual reveal of Adam's brand as it is Weiss and Blake who fight him. Adam would be disgusted that Blake is friends with the person whose family caused him the most pain, showing off his brand to Weiss who is in shock.
I was a casual BB shipper too... So we are on the same boat...
And what you said about Weiss x Blake, would have made a much better sense in general. 😊
I'm more of a hetero kind of shipper! In fact, there was stuff containing Knightshade scenes that were scrapped... That would've been much better than Bumbleby.
Honestly that could've worked. From an ironic point of view a member of hte White Fang falling for a member of the Schenee family, yeah it's cliche but it's something.
The sad part is that you’re completely right
@@KritoSkywaker
Yes, it would have
I surprised you didn’t mention Sun and Blake’s relationship
Ruby and Weiss makes more sense than Yang and Blake, Heck Weiss and Blake too, That’s could be interesting
I had mentioned Blake and Sun in a different script, and hadn’t thought of it for this one, honestly. Though it would’ve worked better, honestly
Let’s be honest: Yang or Blake with pretty much anyone but each other would be a better choice at this point
@@TheMKninja
Oh, it would’ve worked far better. Because there was actual chemistry there and they’d done actual legwork and setup for it
@@RickyUzumaki993 (except yang with ruby obviously)
@@shutterfly4907
Of course. That goes without saying
I think my biggest problem with Bumblebee is that knowing how RoosterTeeth is, it feels like they only really started catering to fans for brownie points- on top of turning Blake and Yang into stereotypes of brooding shy girl and basically a guy girl, they just… don’t care about where it goes or how it came to be, only that it happens. Compare this to a much much better gay romance in Sam and Yaz from Jurassic World Camp Cretaceous. Yaz may be a tomboy, sure, but that isn’t all there is to her personality, she’s also just, shy, and a massive dork to boot, she just isn’t allowed to be herself at first cuz she doesn’t feel like she can… until Sammy comes into the picture, just wanting to be her friend and hang out with her and help her in any way that she can. This doesn’t take away from their dynamic from the rest of the campers, it only just shows off how well the two get along as the series progresses, and Yaz ultimately fits herself into one of the group because of Sammy trying to be all chummy with her. It only makes sense she prefers to do things with Sammy cuz it’s who she feels most comfortable with… so comfortable, in fact, that she actually feels like… she wants to take it a step further. And she does! It’s a wholesome and sweet relationship that developed naturally and only worked for the better of the two characters’ arcs! You can pinpoint where it started and how it developed to where it ended; living with each other as of the epilogue :). Blake and Yang however… RT is just like… wants to have its cake and eat it too. I understand Warner causes issues as the parent company, but… they’re in a difficult position of not going through with it making it seem like queerbaiting but if they do go through with it it’s like… idk, rewarding the literal hivemind? They did nothing and they got all the glory and that’s just… not good. Team RWBY isn’t a team anymore. It’s Ruby does things and Weiss exists while being the Yang and Blake Show in the background. It’s a disgusting showcase of using LGBT to make money and I just do not like it.
That’s my next biggest problem with it outside of how they ruined both characters to force it. Thank you for summing it up in a way I couldn’t
I think this explains how I've been feeling about bumblebee. I just never really felt the connection between them, but I'm not a shippy person in general, so I thought maybe it's my personal problem. Like I want to enjoy it, but I can't even remember why they're in love with each other specifically.
@@mangosday
It’s not just you. A lot of people feel this way.
@@mangosday There was nothing but Blake constantly lying, breaking promises, withholding information, and abandoning the team... all major scars to Yang thanks to Raven pretty much doing the same thing to her family.
Then out of nowhere, they fight Adam, somehow kill him when the odds were far in his favor, and that is supposed to be some kind of romantic thing to the Wasps?
Then they have to ignore that Sun was the one who gave Blake almost all of her character development, kept her from going too far, helped her even to see her parents, earned their trust and respect, saved their lives, helped Ilia see reason.
And when Blake and Sun had to part at the train station, Blake surprises him with a kiss after saying that she wants to be with him again.
Then they act like none of that ever happened. RT wouldn't even mention Sun in the Sun Wukong vs Hercules Death Battle when they brought up all of the characters who were inspired by the legend.
@@MrLightningbob
I know, right? This is fucking asinine! I can’t stand it!
Remember when Blake had a super compelling story arc about racism and extremism? Remember when being Yang's gf wasn't her only character trait?
I remember.
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
I don’t remember it being complex or compelling whatsoever to be honest
I remember, too. Both of these characters have been ruined by this terrible ship
I remember them attempting something like that, yeah.
i member!
Everyday I miss monty... His show butchered to the ground in favor of fanservice and forced shipping. I genuinely feel like he never wanted this whatsoever. Haven't seen much of ice queendom yet but from what I've seen it's leagues better then whatever the main series is doing right now.
dude there barley anime fanservice in the show and more like bad shipping bait in it
@@azurekite3870 Shipping bait is fanservice. They are literally just pleasing bumblebee shipperrs.
I feel your pain, my friend. At this point, I’ve long since stopped giving any fucks about canon RWBY. The show is dead to me.
@@daikaijuguy5382
Damn right
Remember when Sun existed? Pepperidge Farm remembers
As do I.
Sad thing is RWBY showed with Arkos they can make relationships work, that and Blacksun felt natural. You believed they were interested in each other yet it wasn't the only thing that defined them at the same time.
I know, right? It’s like the writers lost their brains when Monty died.
Kinda, I thought that was more one side more than anything
Blacksun or Arkos?@@budgetbrick5124
I love to look at Arcane when it comes to doing gay romance right, cause Vi and Caitlyn are LEAGUES better than Bumblebee, where even though they're not "together", I 1000% see it happening, but in such a believable way that it just makes perfect sense.
Because actual legwork and setup is done to make that ship believable. No such kind of work was put into Bumblebee. It was just slapped on for brownie points and to appeal to toxic shippers.
Arcane is great.
It wasn't bad, at least not like...🤢 bumblebee, but it needed more development. Cut some of the fat towards the end of the season and use it to develop them further. It was fine, though...
@@Shadow666_ That's sort of the point, they're not together yet, but they're developing a legitimate relationship that feels real, not forced and not added in to pander.
@@jish55
Damn right
I don’t like Bumblebee it felt so forced and not good, I would have liked blacksun but I guess all that time with him and the signs was for nothing.
Bait and Switch is a good term for it. It's something that many hate when it happens in stories.
@@Krensharpaw Especially when the switch is actually for the worst. This is just my opinion btw.
@@zereffox1227 no no, I think you're right and agree.
Because this now makes much of what happened in season 4 and 5 with Blake and Sun. More upsetting as all of that was just a waste of time.
Shows like this don't need to show every little detail like it's real life where things like this might happen.
It's trying to tell a story so they should focus on the big things. And they RT are making the parts of the story they are telling worthless. Which makes ask...
"WHY did you waste my time then?"
Not something you want a viewer or reader of a story to ask.
@@Krensharpaw True fans know that Blacksun is supposed to be cannon but the show's creators simply caved in to the ridiculous demands of the most toxic fanatics who claimed to be fans. Then they went ahead and made Bumblebee canon despite that being one of the main reasons a lot of fans stopped watching.
It was never even hinted their relationship was romantic until shipper went rabid and rt caved. It was literally stated at the start they were straight and the purpose was for them to be sisters.
Monty said the team had a sort of sisterhood. Basically this is like spitting on Monty's grave.
I would be totally fine and even be all for Bumblebee if it didn't negatively impact their team dynamic so badly. They basically can't exist without each other and it leaves Weiss and Ruby as the only ones to actually give a shit and interact with the outside world. I mean, Blake basically NEVER talks to Ruby or Weiss save for a small number of scenes that I can count on one hand. Over 9 VOLUMES, Blake has almost NEVER SPOKEN TO RUBY OR WEISS. Her FUCKING TEAMMATES.
Let that sink in.
And let’s not forget how this garbage affects Yang as a character.
It’s funny cause JNPR handled their ships perfectly fine?. Despite the romance between the four to their perspective partners, they still interacted with eachother perfectly normally. Granted not so much Ren but he was still voiced by Monty and his character hardly spoke to anyone lol.
@@summerking-wq1sd
I know, right?
To make a comparison, remember how in Avatar, Zuko joined the main team only in like the last third of the story? And yet, he still had good and palpable chemistry with all of them. Why? Cause he actually interacts with each member, and heck, he even has his own individual episodes that are all about exploring his dynamic with each of his new teammates. That's how you make a team feel united, and the Avatar writers understood that then.
Now, look at Blake and how she hardly ever even speaks to Ruby or Weiss (nevermind JNR, those three might as well be strangers to her). It's like if Zuko was only ever allowed to interact with Aang (or Katara).
@@skyscavenger7732
Damn right
Yang's entire character was sacrificed upon the altar of a truly D-Tier ship that was forced for views.
And for merchendise.
Damn that’s really sad.
@@thomasraines1396
Indeed...Yang used to be one of my favorites...And I still miss her old personality trope...But then RT decided "Hey! We're low on money! So, let's canonize Bumblebee!"
@@KritoSkywaker it’s crazy. I watched their little confession and not only did it feel like some of the most awkward crowbarred thing ever literally nothing they say to each other is true or has any basis in canon.
@@thomasraines1396
Yeah. Yet the toxic shippers ate it like it was a cake. 😭
After the events of volume 3, I was expecting Blake and Yang to have a fight scene.
You and me both. But we didn’t get that
Same here! I was disappointed that it didn’t happen when they are both on the bridge
Still makes me laugh how Blake never apologized for abandoning her team. Literally, she literally never does.. which is a honest running theme for Team RWBY.. NONE of them ever apologize for their wrongdoings. Weiss never apologized to her brother, Blake to her team, Yang to pretty much everyone cause of her blatant hypocrisy.
@@summerking-wq1sd
I know, right? They’ve made Team RWBY assholes
@@RickyUzumaki993Honestly, what is wrong with having them apologize?
It's called "Common Courtesy". I get actions speak louder than words, but it doesn't hurt to say "I'm sorry".
the only good thing that came out of this ship being canon is ruby's homophobic rant
Yes sir 👍
When volume 3 had suddenly shifted to grim adult territory, I realized how the writers derailed themselves thanks to Monty Oum’s death, which is the cause of all of this. This is why I find the show disappointing and stoped watching it.
Can’t say I blame you in the slightest
RWBY cannot intentionally write good romances. There was more chemistry packed into Weiss and Yang's interactions than anything they deliberately tried to spark with Blake and Yang. They hug, they have genuine, emotional conversations. Of course, that can just be a friendship, but a strong friendship can always build into a strong romance - not so much for Bumbleby as canon portrays them.
I know, right? And they ditched Black Sun for Bumblebee
@@RickyUzumaki993 Ikr? Sun had pretty good chemistry with Blake and it definitely hinted that she did have some attraction towards him (like her blushing when he winks at her in the Festival and him encouraging her to take off her bow at the dance).
@@JayRedGear
The fact that they abandoned BlackSun for Bumblebee legitimately pisses me off.
I disagree. I man you are absolutely right that Bumblebee sucks, but Nora and Ren was good
@@lucifer-librarian9562
That is a good point
Rooster Teeth canning Vic Mignogna over fraudulent sham allegations was the final nail in the coffin for the show.
Agreed
BB is a hook up couple not a loving one
Yeah. Realistically speaking, this ship as it’s being written in canon wouldn’t last a month.
They would honestly be friends with benefits at the very most.
@@thomasraines1396
Agreed
Okay! This is getting out of hand! I had to block a bunch of Bumbleby shippers on Twitter because this went from forced to milked! The shipping is getting much worse, now!
It’s literally because RWBY has been losing viewers over time, so they’re trying to get them back by making the ship ‘canon’.
@@TheMKninja they dug themselves into this grave, and now it’s too deep for them to climb out off, they have to lie in this ditch they created for themselves
@@shadow78423
A hole, that swallowed them beyond redemption.
@KritoSkywaker it ain't no hole. It's an abyss.
@@Keyblade-Knight
The deepest abyss we have ever seen.
thank you for making this! we need more anti- bee content! there's too much positivity around such an awful ship. more negativity is needed.
Oh boy...Volume 9 Episode 6 was the final nail on the coffin for me, in terms of the canon story...I have finally decided to quit that piece of garbage writing. And I have completely lost my hope in the series...when Bumblebee became canon, I've lost all of my strength...I felt...My soul had died with it... I'm sorry being harsh, but this is just...not right... 😭
You know, I’m glad I found others who think the same as me. You know what, I think I’m gonna write a FanFiction with the right ships in it, well the right ships to me anyway lol
@@Caydethegodzillafan
Good luck. :)
Bumblebee is toxic and true fans know that Blacksun is supposed to be cannon but the show's creators simply carved in to the ridiculous demands of the most toxic fanatics who claimed to be fans. It was literally stated at the start they were straight and the purpose was for them to be sisters. Monty literally said the team had a sort of sisterhood. Basically this is like spitting on Monty's grave. I just want the show to get better. It seems like now it's just giving in to the gay ships the fans want and is less about what it was like in the first couple volumes. Unfortunately, with Bumblebee now being canon I'm probably never gonna pick up the show again. Sigh, now I can only rely on fanfic for RWBY content.
@@zereffox1227 Couldn’t agree more. I see a lot of people defending this shit and it pisses me off.
@@Hero_Of_Time94 The ones who defend it are, usually, the ones who Rooster Teeth decided to pander to. Even then, they're a minority rather than the majority. The majority of fans, or mostly former fans would be a more appropriate term, hate the pandering and believe that with Bumblebee now canon the series is dead. The minority I'm speaking of just tends to be louder, so to speak. And it's unfortunate, volumes 1 and 2 were so good. I feel like punching something every time I think about it. I loved RWBY, now I'm depressed whenever I think about the main series 😔 😭😭. At least there's still RWBY fanfiction.
There is lack of chemistry between them and u made me realise why. - They are bland. They all are bland, the main characters and bland. Damn Penny has more character to her than four of main cast.
I don't like considering anything past Vol 3 canon in general. I decided to push through until about Vol 6 or 7, but hated every second of it. I hated everything past Vol 3. I especially hated the Bumbleby ship which only got more and more annoying to me. If they did the ship like Luz and Amity from the owl house it would be one thing, or even Adora and Catra from She-ra, but its not. It was never meant to be canon. It was literally stated at the start by Monty Oum they were straight and the purpose was for them to be sisters. This ship is toxic and true fans know that Blacksun is supposed to be cannon but the show's creators simply carved in to the ridiculous demands of the most toxic fanatics who claimed to be fans. The only thing that keeps me interested in RWBY now is RWBY fanfic. Sometimes I feel like Monty Oum is rolling in his grave with how RWBY turned out and that a lot of fanfic authors would probably do a better job than CRWBY. This is probably an unpopular opinion, or maybe it isn't. IDK. I just feel extremely depressed seeing how RWBY ended up after Vol 3. I loved it so much in the beginning. I just want the show to get better. It seems like now it's just giving in to the gay ships the fans want and is less about what it was like in the first couple volumes. I'm not against LGBT or anything like that, I respect it. I adored Luz and Amity's relationship in the owl house. And i understand how fans want bumblbee to be cannon but I see personally just them as being best friends or even having a sister like relationship and less like a romantic one, especially when Monty Oum said they were supposed to be like sisters. With Bumblebee being canon I'm even less motivated to watch the rest of RWBY now. Sorry for the rant, and please keep in mind that this is all my opinion and others can feel free to disagree with me. I have no intention of attacking another person's beliefs with this comment or anything of the sort.
Its totaly truth
@@Nova-hw9fr Just thinking about it makes me so sad 😞. I held this show so close to my heart, now I can only read fanfic to feel the same enjoyment I felt in the first two seasons. 😭😭
You right about it. And the biggest sadness in the whole thing, is that the reactor videos eats it like it is a goddamn cake. Because why not? If they would criticise the show, then they would be crucified by the toxic shippers.
@@KritoSkywaker Exactly, and they're not the majority of fans because a majority of fans realized that the show sucks now cuz CRWBY has no clue wtf they're doing, for example making Bumblebee, the worst ship, canon, so the majority of fans stopped watching the main series. Now the only ones who are still hyping up the show are the toxic fans that CRWBY decided to pander to, as a result ruining what was an awesome show.
@@zereffox1227
Indeed... And it probably gets worse, if the show gets a Volume 10...Which will show, that the toxic fans get more of their stuff and they can destroy more of our beloved characters. 😭
i used to like bumblebee but only as a ship! because nothing in the show made me see this ship as something good! it was too forced!
I was okay with it at first. But now I hate it with a burning, hate-filled passion
Agreed, what was the point in making things complicated, Blake and Sun literally have been set up from season one. Also making Adams arc so short when he was a main character in the trailer?
and Yang? Seriously you could have made a serious ship for Yang, or just keep her as this flirt the whole series.
Only thing I think that messes the story more than Bumble alone is how they handled Yang and Rubys mothers. And then Qrow, seriously, writing wise, should have been Rubies father.
@@wingzero7X
Thank! You!
I disagree with Qrow being Ruby’s father. That makes no sense to me. Especially when you consider that Yang and Ruby are _supposed_ to be sisters. Retconning them into being cousins basically spits in Monty’s face when it comes to the characters, in my opinion. But that’s just my opinion. You have yours and you’re entitled to it, even if I personally vehemently disagree with it.
@Ricky Uzumaki I don't see how that "spits in montys face". They're still sisters because that's what they've chosen to be for each other. Your blood doesn't decide what your relationships are. And I don't see how anything can disrespect Monty worse than what they've already done. As a writer, I'd rather have someone change my characters blood relation than... whatever the hell they did to rwby.
Like having yang consistently prioritize a poorly developed and forced romance over her family... now that spits in montys' face.
@@Shadow666_
I said “in my opinion”. And the reason why I’m not okay with that change is because they’ve already disrespected Monty’s memory enough for my tastes. At this point, I am dangerously close to walking away from this franchise completely and abandoning my RWBY fic. I don’t need to hear about any more disrespect on Monty’s memory from them to make me do so.
Yeah, I will freely admit that that’s a much worse crime against Monty’s legacy than what you mentioned. But I honestly just still don’t like the idea because it makes Qrow look even worse in my opinion.
Those 2 coming together don't make a lot of sense. When did they flirt? When did they show any romantic feelings for eachother? And what about Blake and Sun? Are we just goin to ignore that?
This didn't make sense for the story and for what they spent 5 seasons lining up.
Uhhhhh....Volume 9,I believe, is when the flirting happened? Better late than never right? Right?
Who the fuck is anyone kidding: they hamfisted that harder than Legends of Korra.
V6 they started pushing it hard. But V5 was when they started setting up. With Yangs hissy fit after reuniting with Ruby.
@@sECUREij
Are you talking about when Yang held a grudge against Blake for ditching her? I always interpreted that as Yang projecting her abandonment issues with her mom onto Blake because Blake was like a sister to her; and unlike Ruby, Yang didn't need to be a Big Sister around Blake and could count on her for support, especially after losing her arm when coming to Blake's aid.
The fact that everyone was there to pick Yang back up BUT Blake was the ultimate betrayal, but maybe I'm misinterpreting it and it has something to do with romance according to what the BB shippers are claiming.
@@darkglass3011
You’re not misinterpreting it in the slightest. The Bumblebee fans are just reaching and grasping at straws
When it comes to the relationship it takes a massive dump on other characters be it through their relationships with each other or how they act:
Yang leaves Ruby and an inebriated Qrow inside the farmhouse in Volume 6, opting instead to grab Blake’s hand and run out, didn’t even go back inside when it caught fire.
She and Blake both give Marrow the evil eye in Volume 7 when all he does is offer legitimate advice.
Yang cares more what Blake will think of her (for some reason) about not helping out with Amity in Volume 8 instead of the millions of other things that would realistically be going on at that moment during what everyone thinks is a end time scenario (will they all make out, will they get Oscar back, what if the last thing her and Ruby say to each other was (in the grand scheme of things) a meaningless fight). But no, she and Blake act all closed off in regards to each other for no reason (Blake literally shies away from everyone when they all reunite until Yang goes over to her).
Blake gets a Darth Vader style “Nooo!” when Yang “dies” and then gets to go feral against Neo, no one else gets anything at the end of Volume 8 while no else gets anything. Yes, yes it “makes sense” because of everything that happened in universe but just because there’s a in universe reason doesn’t mean it’s good (not necessarily out and out bad but more so “wow for real?”) (that’s how you end up with such flubs such as Darkseid tripping over some stairs, Wally West (unintentionally) killing several people but then framing other people for it as he comes up with a convoluted plan, or Thanos literally becoming God because of a plot device).
Aside from all that Blake has nothing to do aside from hang around with Yang, Yang at least has the general motive of “Ruby’s here so I’m here” Blake is by and large just “there”.
All in the relationship (and RWBY in general) feels like a CW show.
Agreed. Honestly, one of the many reasons why I’ve completely given up on the show
For me, it was the people who ship Bumbleby that made the ship toxic. It should be obvious and clear that shippers are highly toxic, no matter ehat fandom or community they're in. They tend to do whatever it takes to get what they want and that is to have the creators under their control and to make their ship cannon, even to go as far as to send death threats to the creators just to make their ship cannon. And when shippers don't get things their way, they'll be more hostile. (Tbh, i wouldn't be surprised if someone told me the Voltron community did the same to DreamWorks just because Klance wasn't cannon). As a story writer myself, I find this sad to see creators being told to off themselves over a couple in their story, and getting that unsettling feeling that I'll be threatened and told to off myself to make my story the way the shippers want it to be is just so much. Just because a ship isn't cannon doesn't mean that they can scare the creator/creators to get what they want. In conclusion, the toxic people who forced bumblby to be cannon is why it is awful.
Either that or it was RoosterTeeth's idea because they desperately wanted to defile Monty's grave for money and fame.
Sorry to hear that
Bumblebee was literally forced and came out of nowhere. If BlackSun was never going to happen,what was the point of somewhat building it up?
Can we stop getting these woke LGBTQ ships down our throats and actually have a character either be single or straight?
IKR? The bees must be squashed!
I know what you mean, my friend
Exactly! The thing I want to see in stories is a relationship of two girls who become good friends and then become like sisters to each other you NEVER see that.
1 year later. I'm just going to risk the flame and put it out there.
Some of the fail in RWBY's writing in the last few volumes, is because of Bumblebee.
It's part of the reason a good portion of the fandom dropped out.
And it is partly to blame for the current status of RWBY. As it floats in limbo. No V10 greenlight. RT out of money.
There are of course plenty of other reasons for the state of the show (and company). But I feel bad writing and a hard progressive lean is a major cause for the show's decline. And pushing Bumblebee so hard was a piece of that.
I don't think the progressive lean changes anything. It's the fact that it feels disingenuous and pandering. Plenty of good shows are full of progressive politics, though I'm biased as a progressive myself.
@@TheMKninja That is basically what I'm trying to say. It felt disingenuous and pandering. In V7 and V8, it's suddenly in your face, hard.
Heavy on the virtue signaling. Felt like they were trying to compensate for something. (Maybe the fact that they were not so progressive behind the scenes in the treatment of some employees... might have something to do with that.)
I know it was always a Gurl power show at its core from the very beginning. Absolutely nothing wrong with that. I applauded the theme.
But in V7 and V8 (actually starting in V6), suddenly Gurl power is promoted by diminishing all other male characters and adults around them. Suddenly the kiddies have all the answers., need no role models. And any male character not actively simping for the girls was either an idiot, obstacle, antagonistic, obsessive, crazy, or just plain evil. Usually ending up killed in some silly manner. While female characters not only enjoy a level of plot armor, if they are evil, they can be flipped to the good side once the victimhood card is played.
Not to mention the injection of real world social-political themes into a supposed futuristic fantasy world set on another planet.
Bumblebee was not the only thing to sour the writing by a long shot. But it played a role. I think many fans just faded way as the writing became more forced and illogical to support these themes. I myself dropped my First Sub after V7.
IMHO, oh course.
Damn right, my friend!
@@TheMKninja
Agreed
@@DocMicrowave
Thank you for putting it in a way I couldn’t
summed it up well, here from the future and it still feels forced
- yeah its baiting the audience like the plot stops for their ship moments and then resumes with no reason to it happening in the first place
- terrible fandom strong arming it into canon that they stupidly listened to
- identity politics, get cheap praise for it online, basically narcissism and self validation
- the blake sun dynamic is basically dead now, really what's his purpose now, nothing at all
glad ruby put them on blast this current ep vol9 ch7
Indeed. Honestly, at this point, canon RWBY isn’t worth watching past the halfway point of Volume 3.
Welp. Since RT was shut down for good and leaving their IPs (including RWBY) hanging. It's probably a good time to reboot the show and the whole thing over, and sometimes never take notes from (toxic) fanbase/shippers (including two female actresses who are Bumblebee shippers themselves).
Hell yes. Now, I imagine it's gonna stay in WB's "Forever Vault" but if anyone does buy it, please, for the love of all that's Holy, DON'T do this again. Once was enough. No more Wasps.
Bumblebee is a fine example of queer baiting bc they had multiple chances to focus on them and show how much they cared for each other but we got is not mich to go on qnd it's more insulting that they finally made it a thing what's likely the finale season of the show
sigh, sad to say after ignoring her depressed sister once again it canon (even though ruby character suck she doesn't deserve that), it sad blake and yang lost their personality and development (no matter how weak it was) just to become a forced couple and nothing else. at least with korrasami and lumity they didn't lose themselves and still had more going than a bland relationship, if anything they improved together (yang is a bad sister and blake doesn't care about her people now) now the lame teasing done what else is there for them just ignore everyone and the big problem for each other like always?.
i know how feel that feels like she lost the fun going side her after her arm got cut off.
@Julianjulesr1361 Also uh the fact that Luz and Amity are actually shown engaging with each other multiple times before they start to have romantic feelings for each other.
Bumbleby struggles are mainly because it is not until volume five/six that Blake and Yang actually consistently interact with each other outside of obligations due to being teammates.
Bumblebee is toxic and true fans know that Blacksun is supposed to be cannon but the show's creators simply carved in to the ridiculous demands of the most toxic fanatics who claimed to be fans. It was literally stated at the start they were straight and the purpose was for them to be sisters. Monty literally said the team had a sort of sisterhood. Basically this is like spitting on Monty's grave. I just want the show to get better. It seems like now it's just giving in to the gay ships the fans want and is less about what it was like in the first couple volumes. Unfortunately, with Bumblebee now being canon I'm probably never gonna pick up the show again. Sigh, now I can only rely on fanfic for RWBY content.
In my opinion, i like THE CHARACTERS blake and yang. I do t really mind them today. But bumblebee is getting on my nerves. Did everybody forget about blake and sun wukong. I feel like that had a lot of chemistry. Like sun and blake have been through so much. And i am going to point out that blake trusted sun to the point that she even told him that she was a part of the white fang.
True fans know that Blacksun is supposed to be cannon but the show's creators simply carved in to the ridiculous demands of the most toxic fanatics who claimed to be fans. It was literally stated at the start they were straight and the purpose was for them to be sisters. Monty literally said the team had a sort of sisterhood. Basically this is like spitting on Monty's grave. The story becomes unnecessarily derivative and dark, nothing at all like the first two seasons, and all the romances just straight up suck bc CRWBY chose to pander rather than continue off with what Monty originally envisioned. For those who say ships don't matter, that is false. Ships, for main characters, have a huge impact on the story. Yes, you can write good shows without romance, but when you include romance do it right or don't do it at all. Blacksun kinda went downhill during the whitefang arc bc of how they made Blake somewhat toxic, but is still leagues better than bumblebee and, if expanded on further rather than completely axed to pander to fans, there was the potential for it to be one of the best ships in the show. Unfortunately, with Bumblebee now being canon I'm probably never gonna pick up the show again. Sigh, now I can only rely on fanfic for RWBY content.
5:24 bruh, many people in war become more comedic, not less.
It's a natural response to dealing with the harshness of war.
Black/gallows humor becomes way more prevalent in most warriors.
Damn right
Generation Kill had some of the BEST Fucked-up "War Humor" born of coping with stress and trauma.
Again, thank you MK. You did even better with this version, in my opinion. Hopefully this starts getting it through the heads of the Wasps.
BeeS is a crack ship at best. Canonically, Blake brings out the worst of Yang.
Personally, I never saw a reason that would have me saying I’d like to ship them at all for any reason. I always found BlackSun and WhiteRose to be better than BeeS.
Heck, in my fanfic, Big Issues, I gave Blake and Yang a better relationship than what I saw in canon and there’s still no reason there to ship them.
Glad I’m not the only one who feels that way. That is why I have no intentions of using just straight Bumblebee as a ship in any of my fanfics.
@@RickyUzumaki993 Trust me, the feeling is far from being a minority to anyone who gives the series a slightly critical look.
@@MrLightningbob
Glad to know I’m not alone
@@RickyUzumaki993 And back to working on chapter 75 of Big Issues for me. I want to have the chapter finished and edited so it can be posted this weekend.
@@MrLightningbob
Nice. We’re gonna post chapter 4 of my story “Tiger King and Dragon Queen” next Thursday if all goes well. It stars an OC of my creation and Yang. I’m doing my own thing with Remnant in my stories.
I keep saying that if there were a pair on team RWBY that should've ended up together, it should've been Blake and WEISS, not Blake and Yang. The two of them had their own coinciding plot, and they could've had well paced character growth that eventually led to romance, but nope. Both of their conflicts were tossed aside and forgotten. Never to be revisited. The amount of potential in seeing them two grow closer, romantic or platonic, would've made for a great message regarding the bad blood between the Shnee Dust Company and the White Fang, human and faunus united, but nooooooo.
Like, not even ADAM was able to meet Weiss. Why tf didn't they meet? Why did Yang fight him instead of Weiss? Do you know how awesome it would've been to see Adam's reaction to seeing Blake on the same team as not just humans but the heiress to the SDC? WASTED POTENTIAL. Blake and Weiss would've made for a better ship, and this is coming from a BlackSun shipper. Well, I guess former BlackSun shipper.
There are other ships that would've worked better, yeah.
Blake, Weiss, and Adam writes itself, that would have been a layup
Oh, do not get me started my friend! Trust me, we’ll be here all fucking day!
The the first episode of volume 9 when they first found yang and they zoomed in on her and blake’s hands touching i knew they were about to butcher it
To butcher something, it would’ve had to have been good in the first place. Bumblebee was never good
to add more fire they will prob make sun and neptune a gay couple im calling it
Probably…
That's okay. Bumblebee is non-canon because Rooster Teeth shot themselves in the foot and admitted awhile back that Vol 9 was nothing more than a filler arc.
HAH! They have no idea what they did by saying that!
By saying that, they only enraged their "fanbase". 😂
@@KritoSkywaker
Indeed they did
I wouldn't have cared about it if the shippers weren't so vile and toxic. Making this ship canon is like giving in to the terrorists
It was originally planned for Blake to become a pair with Sun. From their dynamics to their motivations. The hints were all over the place.
And then the extremist shippers stormed Twitter with death-threats and doxes because of 1 dance scene in season 2.
Thanks for ruining it, liberals. Enjoy the cringe you've subsequentially created.
Not just because of the dance scene. Because of the first BB song, that came out. which was unofficial to the show's OST. At least until BB became canon and they released Worthy.
Meh it's moot anyway. RT is a sinking ship and RWBY likely won't get another season.
They will. Because they don’t care about quality or sinking a franchise over their precious ship
@@KritoSkywaker
Indeed
@@thefanwithoutaface8105
Indeed
I agree with a lot of elements of this. Blake was my favorite character for a while, but once she returned from Menagerie and Adam was killed, she lost her character development and essentially became a cardboard cutout to stand next to Yang so BB could forcefully set sail. I wouldn't say I hate the show, but I am becoming a lot more ambivalent towards it. I still love the world and its ideas, heck I've written two fanfic books and a fanfic anthology because I enjoy the ideas of the world. But outside of that and RWBY Chibi, I am becoming more and more ambivalent towards the main show itself. It's just not the same show I fell in love with years ago.
For it to be good again, the entire main series has to be rebooted. True fans know that Blacksun is supposed to be cannon but the show's creators simply carved in to the ridiculous demands of the most toxic fanatics who claimed to be fans. It was literally stated at the start they were straight and the purpose was for them to be sisters. Monty literally said the team had a sort of sisterhood. Basically this is like spitting on Monty's grave. The story becomes unnecessarily derivative and dark, nothing at all like the first two seasons, and all the romances just straight up suck bc CRWBY chose to pander rather than continue off with what Monty originally envisioned. For those who say ships don't matter, that is false. Ships, for main characters, have a huge impact on the story. Yes, you can write good shows without romance, but when you include romance do it right or don't do it at all. Blacksun kinda went downhill during the whitefang arc bc of how they made Blake somewhat toxic, but is still leagues better than bumblebee and, if expanded on further rather than completely axed to pander to fans, there was the potential for it to be one of the best ships in the show. Unfortunately, with Bumblebee now being canon I'm probably never gonna pick up the show again. Sigh, now I can only rely on fanfic for RWBY content.
@@zereffox1227
You and me both. I’m actually writing RWBY fics with friends of mine
@@RickyUzumaki993 I've actually written some RWBY fanfics of my own with my friends as characters! Good luck on your endeavors! It's always good to try and improve ourselves as creatives in whatever way we can!
@@csfwatson
Thanks. I appreciate that. We actually plan on eventually doing fan animations for ours once we have enough material to work with.
This shipping, how did it even work? Those scenes... I'm sorry for the animators who had to make those slot in plots. They did not support each other, it feels like they hardly know each other. Ruby might've been the reason I watch the show, but Yang's optimistic and extroverted impressions was why I follow through the first volume. Now, she's just like what this video said, someone too different it's impossible she's the same person.
Yang was my favourite character starting out. And it is honestly crushing seeing her go from sweet, badass, funny and kind, to this constantly angry, cat-obssessed bitch after the abomination that was Volume 3.
I low-key wanted to see bumblebee but the delivery felt so forced and cringe. Up until this point it was like the typical “they are rEAlly good friends“ type vibe but the jumped straight to i love you in the most forced way possible. At least with the blacksun ship they showed chemistry. Like cmon they are stuck in a place where in order to get out they have to admit their feelings😂 like what were the writers cooking.
I think you mean “what were the writers SMOKING?”
Never listen to mentally ill shippers. She-Ra and Voltron suffered too.
Damn right, my friend. Damn. Fucking. Right.
How about Avatar/Korra?
@@sirkinsella9831
It suffered too
And now it's canon, guess we can now watch it crumble as the writers struggle to keep even the fans of this ship invested.
I mean, it's not like tv writers in general have a history of not knowing how to write relationships outside of the will they or wouldn't they clique tired trope, that often results in resetting the whole thing to start all over again.... Looking at you Young Justice!
yea,hope it crumble too cuz i hate how bad it written
Honestly the entire series needs to be rebooted. True fans know that Blacksun is supposed to be cannon but the show's creators simply caved in to the ridiculous demands of the most toxic fanatics who claimed to be fans. It was literally stated at the start they were straight and the purpose was for them to be sisters. Monty literally said the team had a sort of sisterhood. Basically this is like spitting on Monty's grave. I just want the show to get better. It seems like now it's just giving in to the gay ships the fans want and is less about what it was like in the first couple volumes. Unfortunately, with Bumblebee now being canon I'm probably never gonna pick up the show again. Sigh, now I can only rely on fanfic for RWBY content.
Yang use to be my favorite character. Now she's become a girlfriend of Blake.
I feel your pain
Exactly why I stay in Volume 1-2 and don't watch onwards
Good call
I would love to watch back in my day, but Death Battle show favoritism towards the cast like three times (that includes the ads before the episode starts). And later seasons (including mid-season 3) that I heard some people point some flaws with this show and some or most cast are being flanderized to pieces because of bad writing/script after the creator's passing. This is why I avoid watching it.
@@sirkinsella9831
Yeah, pretty much
Same. That's the right way to go.
I like to think that last show of the girls and Zwei walking back to Beacon for more adventures is how it all ended.
@@randomcenturion7264
Can’t say I blame you
I liked Sun and Blake together. It was a cute relationship, that could have been explored had Rooster Teeth hadn't bowed to the Bumblebee ship. I haven't been a big fan of the series since volume three due to what the writers did to Yang's character. Blake and Sun had great chemistry, and it was a sweet relationship that had great potential. Bumblebee is what happens when creators and writers listen to their fans insistence, rather than write compelling stories and characters. Now after finishing volume 9, I hope that volume 10 doesn't show the team far into the future, because that quite frankly would suck.
Honestly, at this point, I really just do not care
I quit RWBY years ago, but with what I did watch, Bumbleby was doomed from the start with Blake and Yang only having one or two personal moments with each other prior to Volume 5. Now that I am thinking it over, the so called friendship of Blake and Yang pre-timeskip was just barely more developed than Yang and Weiss’s.
Ruby and Weiss as a couple would’ve made more sense as their comradeship was actually given screentime and development. It’s actually hilarious really that they chose to make the least logical sapphic fanship in team RWBY canon instead of the most logical one.
same and i quit cuz blake was treating sun like crap and feels she too tocix to be with anyone
@@azurekite3870 she doesn’t even apologize for doing it.
@@azurekite3870 Speaking of Sun, I believe the interactions Blake had with Sun prior to the series writing Yang to start being a love option for Blake is another major issue with Bumbleby. Because Blake and Yang's friendship was not given enough moments of screentime in the first five volumes but Blake's friendship with Sun was, Blake going from interacting with Sun the most to Yang the most doesn’t feel realistic.
Damn right
@@sapphicwriter
Indeed
I don’t really believe their relationship to be love… I think they misinterpreted their feelings to be more someone they can seek comfort from as a distraction from all the bad crap that’s happening. If we’re lucky then maybe Blake will realize that later when she meets back with Sun as I feel that be a great way to fix what’s supposed to happen with Sun and Blake 😒
Or maybe they might make Knightshade happen!
Sorry, I'm just a sucker for Blake × Jaune...😅
I wouldn’t hold my breath. They’ve made it pretty obvious that won’t be the case…
I was a bit traumatized about that Bumbleby kiss scene. Some people claim that it was cute and felt natural like this one guy that I had to talk to, but it felt way off! The character developments feel completely undone in the two. Weiss and Ruby are okay. But as for my boy Jaune, I feel as if they did him dirty. If there was more sexy fanservice in there, rather than the bait-shipping for Blake and Yang, I would've enjoyed it a lot more throughout the series! I have my high respect for CRWBY. Which I mean the main cast, but the truth is that, I feel as if the new writers may have forced them to say it.
So many great characters killed off, and Monty Oum might not have really wanted this ship to happen. And considering with how Rooster Teeth has been toxic to voice actors, like Vic Mignogna, it's no wonder their reputation has tanked. This is why RWBY is more popular in Japan.
I can’t get behind because not only are Blake and Yang both terrible but everything they said to each other before they make out is untrue.
@@thomasraines1396 The should've stayed as friends. What if Ever After is casted an evil spell on the two?
@@jorgezaldivar3113 maybe.
I honestly hate that kiss scene. I despise it with every fiber of my being.
@@RickyUzumaki993 I would've preferred a Knightshade kiss scene from there, but NOOOOOOOO. They had to make the toxic bees take flight...
It could have worked MAYBE if Adam wasn't turned into a complete throwaway jobber.
Alone they are scared of him, but together they could beat him. That is kind of what they did, but in a fast forward cliche which was a bad call
Even that wouldn’t work. They completely changed what little we saw of Adam to force the narrative of him being an abusive ex
Bumblebee is a joke. The DC Part 2 has a shot of these two that make me want to hurl. It’s fanfic shipping at best.
I doubt I could eat the amount I wanna vomit each time Yang and Blake interact on screen now
Bumblebee doesn't develop before its eventual canonisation. They go from hating each other to instantly falling in love. It's not a proper arc and it has no real baring on the plot. I always say that romance should either develop the characters, or the overall narrative (but preferably it should do both). Bumblebee doesn't aid in the development of the girls, and all it does is harm the story as well as the other characters. One of my biggest issues is how Yang was handled. Her trauma was never explored in the context of her relationship--it was swept under the rug the second they started ramping Bumblebee up in Volume 7. Her trauma did not aid in her character development, and it served no purpose in her relationship with Blake. There are so many things wrong with how they handled these two characters post-Volume 6. These writers have always been incompetent, and this relationship proves that. They don't know how to write queer representation or representation in general, and the very few times they try to, it never ends well. People need to wake up and realise that what the writers are doing is falling back onto queerbaiting rather than actually trying to provide refreshing LGBTQ+ characters. It's not good enough.
Thank! You! Finally, someone says it!
Ugh! I just made a comment in a video of the Volume 9 finale, and when I brought Monty's name up, I was criticized.
The usual "Monty Oum wanted this" stuff?
@@KritoSkywaker They just said, "Why are you leveraging a dead man for an argument as if he'd personally reject this outcome?" Which made me feel like being a fan of him is a bad thing...
@@jorgezaldivar3113
That's just messed up. And these people are the ones, who uses Monty's name, when it comes to Bumblebee... 🤦🏻🤦🏻
@@KritoSkywaker Can I give ya the link? Those people just piss me off. They even forced me to apologize.
@@jorgezaldivar3113
Go ahead.
I hated how they both were straight and now all of a sudden they're gay for each other, I'm not a fan of Yuri most of the time but I hate it even more when it makes no damn sense,
This is the prime example of bad writing and political pandering. Which will end in a total disaster. Bumblebee did more damage to the community than good.
@@KritoSkywaker
Indeed
I’d ask for an update to this vid now that V9 is out but… the entire volume is a cringe fest.
I could potentially do a reaction series of it, and some earlier volumes. I’m not sure though, since I never really wanted to be a ‘RWBY UA-camr’, but these are the videos that hit off the most.
@@TheMKninja To be fair, I have only watched other UA-camrs reactions to V9. And if you had such reaction to the destruction of their characters before... well, the best way to put it is that in V9 they are strangers wearing familiar faces and the writing gets even worse.
One reactor had put it nicely "You have to force yourself to pretend that it's not RWBY to make it passably entertaining."
My good friend Noah the NNBandicoot is watching volume 9 along with another friend of mine, and they've told me that the volume has been a lot of nothing of importance happening, while still being stuck with the same dreadful characters. If you watched the most recent episode of my podcast, we're getting our friend Tomnooki to watching RWBY (by that I mean Noah is bribing him). And I'm basically just going to trash the series volume 5 onward. It miiiiight inspire me to do my own reaction to volume 9. But I dunno.
@@TheMKninja link?
@@MrLightningbob ua-cam.com/video/Dhr6bf8MEmk/v-deo.html
Like bro how can they just ditch sun like that!
1.They're chemistry is GOLD! Sun helps blake the entire time at Menagerie
2. When they both meet eachother i started squealing from the fact that they meet on a literal SHIP, i thought that was foreshadowing
3. I really thought they were gonna do the "Father hates daughter's new boyfriend but progressively liking him" trope
4. It was the PERFECT Himbo + girlboss ship dynamic 😭
And finally
5. They went to the beacon dance together without feeling any type uncomfortable!.
What prove do you need more writers 😭
I know, right? It was fucking *OBVIOUS* that BlackSun should’ve been a thing! But no, they had to fucking cave to the loud, vocal minority!
Money. BB makes them more money cause this DISGUSTING fanbase can only touch themselves to girl on girl. Have you ever spent any time in the fanbase lol. It’s literally 90% lesbian stuff.
Correction: Bumblebee from the first three Volumes was a blessing in disguise.
*Bimbobee* is worse than cancer.
Thanks, goodness that I'm not the only one who thinks this ship is forced, and everything has changed. Volumes 1-3 of RWBY were way better than volume 4-9.
I feel the same relief. With a lot of UA-camrs, probably the toxic fans whom CRWBY started pandering to, hyping up Bumblebee, I thought I was the one who was weird for hating the ship. I miss Volumes 1-3 of RWBY.
Same here! The ship just damaged the show for me...
Damn right.
@@zereffox1227
Same here
@@jorgezaldivar3113
That ship ruins everything it touches.
i dont think anyone on team rwby should have been in a relationship with each other. but if anthing blake and weiss should have been togetheror shit weiss and yang
Completely agreed, my friend
I completely agree with you
I agree if it hurts the team dynamic.. which is CLEARLY does here. I don’t wanna watch a Team STRQ prequel now that I know that 3/4s had a thing for eachother. If it’s anything like this.. then it would be Summer, Raven and Tai subtilely hinting towards eachothers feelings and thinking of nothing but that while Qrow goes off and does something actually interesting.. kinda like Weiss and Ruby lately while BB does nothing and is just there lol..
But then again JNPR actually did romance on a team right so what do I know.
@@summerking-wq1sd
I know what you mean
Here is unpopular opinion but I think that Fizzmodeus it is ship between Fizzarolli and Asmodeus, they are from the show called Helluva Boss are way better than Bumblebee from RWBY. First is that Fizzarolli and Asmodeus did had a song together and they did kiss together. In Helluva Boss season 2 episode 7, Asmodeus is help Fizzy for quit his job. Asmodeus also did protect Fizzarolli for Mammon, because Mammon did abuse Fizzarolli a lot when he got on his job for him. Another thing is that Fizzarolli and Asmodeus are so heathy relationship to each other, they are both likely characters in Helluva Boss. Yes, Fizzarolli x Asmodeus is vary Canon in Helluva Boss.
This is true. Far better chemistry between the two.
2:33 exactly! the story was never building up to that, the writers simply did it as fanservice! The writers were so weak for doing that.
I'm at the point where I'd root for Salem and company. That is if ever this show gets a vol. 10
Honestly, I'm with Salem, this world needs purging and a total restart.
@TheMKninja are going to talk about the episode 9 of the resent volume that made the bad bumblbee ship canon?
i used to love yang she was once my favorite charcter and my favorite member of team RWBY and then was ruby then weiss and blake
i never really liked or disliked blake but after she and yang did the entire will they wont they thing for three volumes i came to dislike both of them
weiss is my favorite member of team RWBY and my favorite character now is qrow
i was so saddened to see what yang became
I feel your pain, my friend. I feel your pain…
I used to want this ship to sail, but when volume 4&5 developed Blake more with Sun, I dropped it.
When volume 9 makes them official, it's just destroy their character. Yang becomes a simp who is going to protect her cat girlfriend even from a small shouting from her sister's breakdown. Blake becomes a bitch who is scared by Ruby's little shouting and needs to hide behind her big and strong girlfriend to make her fight her own sister. It really destroy what little character the have at that point. They just becomes lesbian #1 & #2 who would get absolutely mad at any hints of homophobia even from their teammates when that is not the case.
I think if they really want to make this kind of ship, since they already have anime homework, maybe have Citrus or Yagate Kimi ni Naru or Hamefura or Adachi to Shimamura or other shoujo ai anime and manga, especially Citrus and Yagate Kimi ni Naru, they're already ended. They might not take the whole story as an inspiration, but they could implement some of the technique the mangaka uses for these kind of relationship because writing a male-female couple would certainly be different from female-female couple or male-male couple.
I can definitely say that you made some good points on this video 👍 and honestly I’m just gonna say if the writers wanted someone to be with Blake it should’ve been Weiss or sun. Sun for obvious reasons, and Weiss because not only would it show a bit more growth to Weiss’s character. But both characters would have stuff to do in the story like, for instance what you said, dealing with the racism of Faunus in Atlas.
I hadn't thought of Weiss and Blake, actually. That could've worked if it was planned out
@@TheMKninja yeah, especially considering how their stories are more connected with each other than Blake and yang’s. With how Weiss’s family were known for mistreating Faunus and making them work in dangerous labor conditions and the fact that they had encounters with the white fang as well. Plus it could’ve gave Adam a decent redemption arc if, instead of killing him like blake and Yang did near the waterfall, Weiss spares his life instead. And he is so surprised that a human, the heiress to most Faunus hating capital in remnant at that, would do such a thing, that he begins rethinking his life choices.
Sorry if that was a mouthful, I meant to word some of that better.
I can agree with that
@@TheMKninja
Yes, it could have
@@yolomodoka7137
You make a very good point there.
Completely unrelated but…….Those shades are Sick AF
Thanks! They’re inspired by Kamina and Simon’s shades from Gurren Lagann
@@TheMKninja I figured, he was the first person that came to mind upon watching the emotes in the video
I'm one of those Rare Blake enjoyers. Legit she was my fav for the entire series.
WELLLL
Now i'm here to say that I've hated Blake since v7.
Sorry to hear that
I kinda like Bumblebee, the fanarts and some fanfic are pretty cute...but in the show was terrible executed. I deeply love ships like Monochrome, White Rose or Nuts and Dolts, but if would be executed as how bumblebee is... I would be *extremely* disappointed
This is like Korra and Assami, and people make the same arguments in support of the shitty ship.
Volume 9 milked the hell out of the ship. Not because of the kissing scene (that was delightful). But man, it's irritating to see that they force too much of the ship by making them *coincidentally* always together even when they're being tossed around.
They also had Weiss’s dumb “it’s about time” and Jaune’s “Feels like I’ve been waiting forever for that”.
@@thomasraines1396
Indeed
Do any of you think that Weiss and Yang should have ended up together? Maybe Yang will fall for Mercury despite all of the crap he’s done to her? And if Ruby dies in the end of the series, Yang will marry either Oscar or Jaune? And Blake and Sun would have ended up together? Anyone? At least those options would have been better than bumblebee.
Any of them would’ve been better than Bumblebee
When I say the whole thing of volume 9 i cringed when the "BuMbLeBeE" moments happened, its so bad! The characters saw each other as Sister Like figues to each other, and when they wake up in a different reality the only thing Blake and Yang think is "Oh i wanna be in a Scissor with Blake" it stupid.
I like Blake before V9, now i see both of them as a disappointment
Man. You just wait until Vol 9 Ep 6.
HOOOOO BOY. WHAT IN THE CONTRIVENCE?!
I saw the clip (not all of just parts of it) and what they were saying to each other was entirely untrue.
Yang claiming that Blake isn’t “intimidated by me” even when “you didn’t like me very much”, no character at any point ever has been intimidated by Yang, aside from Blake initially telling Yang and Ruby to essentially “fuck off” as she wanted to be left alone to read her book (and that’s not even a case of not “liking someone very much” just a case of wanting to be left alone), her and Yang have always gotten along.
Blake tries to claim she was “wary of people in general”, when she happily participated in all of their shenanigans and seemed to get along with all of them pretty easily save for her bouts of angst.
I’ve been hearing about volume 9, but I’ve already made no intention of going back to the series again.
As someone who hasn't seen that episode, only spoilers here and there, I'd like to point out that Yang does not confess. Starting a confession off with "I think..." isn't a wholehearted confession, it implies there's wiggle room for a shoe to drop. It says that the person is unsure if they actually love the other person, it's half and half, with the door for conflict wide opened.
@@TheMKninja Literally everything but the Bumblebee shit is good. Blake even feels much better separately from the romance stuff because she plays a role that felt needed. Ruby finally gets to be the focus........until we have to focus on Bumblebee then she's suddenly not the focus.
@@TheMKninja I've seen clips, it doesn't seem that great imo. They did a deus ex machine to make bumblebee canon and it really sucks. Ruby seems like she's about to k*ll hers*lf, if she didn't already. What they're doing with Jaune seems kind of interesting, but at the same time not really enough to pick the series up again after dropping it. Just my opinion btw, and I dropped the series around vol 7ish so you could just ignore everything I say.
Sorry for coming back here, but I got one of the most nonsensical reply. I actually forgot, that I have commented under Murderofbirds' BB reaction video. And I got a reply, that basically said, that I got upset over something, that doesn't matter. DOESN'T MATTER?! Since when execution, buildup, context, story and characterization has become irrelevant?! 🥺
I know what you mean
Let’s face it, the thing that people like about bumblebee is the porn
Yeah, pretty much. That’s just about the only good thing about it
@@RickyUzumaki993 that and they were who they were back in the beacon trilogy, they could be cute
Please...whiterose has the best rwby porn out there.
@@TheVTable
I wouldn’t say that
Yeah you can convince me that BB fans like Yang and Blake for their characters first.. not the idea of lesbian lewd stuff.
Cause factually the ship has butchered both of their characters leaving them with nothing and all I see are losers squealing over a kiss. I would be too, if I cared about EITHER character lol.. but I don’t. Blake is a spineless weak background character and Yang is a quick tempered hypocritical bi#%ch who gives attitude to almost everyone.
The ship that sunk RWBY, as a whole.
The most overhyped bullshit of the series.
And that's saying something.
Lord almighty, was this the sugar on the cream for the absolute waste of time the Post-Beacon seasons turned out to be.