@@willbick7889 Maybe not in comparison to belgium, netherlands, northern france etc. But in italy and around the Mediterranean it is less windy for sure
This video hits on some important points that aren't about this race: - being aero - circuit races are better for fans - Britain needs more world tour races but the state of road racing in the UK sucks - mega talent coming through for Britain
Totally agree - the lack of National A and even National B races is really stifling the road racing scene. Not enough races for conti teams to get the sponsor exposure they need to function, and Nat Bs end up stacked full of conti guys which means that people like me with a distinct lack of talent either don't get a place or get demolished.
@@davidcook8065 hope you enjoy the doc! RE my FTP - it was. A week or so after the road race I hit 397w for 20mins in an FTP test (so 377w at 78kg = 4.8w/kg). I think Dan's FTP is slightly lower but still very very good. I reckon I should have beaten him in the TT, in the doc you can see I spent 5 or so seconds clipping in *face palm*, had a flappy jersey on and I got held up for a few seconds by traffic (sure Dan could say the same about most of this though). Plus I didn't hit my target power by about 20w so underperformed. As the documentary was trying to show it's not all power, positioning matters, and I think that's something many of us struggle with irl. If we get to do an episode 3 I'd hope we'd get more podiums/wins. I'm cat 3 now and will be pushing for cat 2 next season :). Also don't forget in the couple of sprints Dan did actually get into he rolled most of the competition, so it's just about making that front group next time, something he's easily capable of.
@@ChrisSmith-rp6rx I was Cavs mechanic that day, he had a front wheel flat, did a bike change, he made good progress to get back in the pack but insisted on having original bike back so we replaced the wheel on his first bike and did another swap. By that point he'd burnt too many matches to get back on and pulled out after the cobble climb.
I believe Pidcock can win the British road champ's whenever he decides to now. He really could own national road, world road, world mtb, and world cx jerseys within a 12-month period, and at an incredibly young age. Staying injury-free will be key of course.
@@oscardot he’s so good at CX if he decides to go for road World and got a course that suited him there’s only a hand full of guys that could truly stop him and with MDVP still out with an injury that list begins with wout and ends with Julian
Amateur cycling in Britain is heavily biased towards time-trialling. Long ago "massed start" racing was banned on public roads so the only way cycling clubs could organise races was to send the riders off one at a time. If you got pulled over by plod you would just claim you were off to get the shopping. This lead to a whole host of 10 mile and 25 mile (16km & 40km for you modern chaps) time trials happening up and down the country. Even though the first prize for winning one of these races is the price of a portion of fish & chips (they're often called "fish & chippers") you will see most of the participants covering their shoes & spoked wheels in parcel tape. Brits are definitely good at aero-on-a-budget :-D
You should really do a quick review of crit champs on the same town circuit around Lincoln won by Hayter 2 days before this race. Crazy finish and perfect prologue for Nat champs
Regarding lack of GB World Tour racing, I think everybody including British Cycling was expecting Gary Verity who got Tour De France to Yorkshire and created Tour De Yorkshire would expand the model and turn it into more racing days but the he fcuked it all up by fiddling his expenses, bullying , harassment and all sorts and resigned due to “ill health”.
i know lewis askey he’s a beast such a legend raced in my regional championship since before i started it’s been mad to watch him go from my local cycle track u16 races to world tour
One thing you missed was how impressive Leo hayters ride was, rode himself to 8th after being 2mins down most of the race. If you watch how he raced the last third of the race it’s nuts
Nationals aren't like normal races. The way I saw it Swift really wanted this one because a) it was a rare chance to race for himself & b) to help backup (almost justify) his 2 & half years in the national jersey. I think he saw Hayter as his biggest rival & so was always on the front foot, keeping Hayter behind with all the advantages that brings. I'd say he rode it to perfection. There was a gamble with Wright being there but if he had worked to get Hayter in the front group he would have had less chance of beating Hayter than Wright.
Best video for ages!! (I love all your videos) I really liked your tone and it felt like you slowed the pace down a little bit. Felt like a story to follow along too as opposed to just fast information delivery ☺️☺️
Great to have you back LR How the UK scene has changed over the years since the return of the TofBr in its latest incarnation it has allowed racers to develope and graduate into the ranks of the WT teams. Seeing riders in jerseys of the likes of FDJ etc has now become the norm, it wasn’t that long ago most riders were on UK based National teams. It’s good to see. Just wish we had a couple of really good one day races to support
You might not have heard of... Ethan Hayter? You do know your audience LR? 😜 We are aero because we are inherently lazy and like to spend the least amount of kJ possible, we are also pretty good at sports involving sitting down. Cycling, rowing, drinking...
Let's face it if Tanfield hadn't spent all Friday night on the front of the criterium and then actually given someone else some turns in the road race he would have won
Fred Wright was probably fairly confident in winning from this group, which is why he was closing down Tanfield’s moves. If he let Hayter back in then I think he wouldn’t have won, so he had no choice but to ride. Swift just played the perfect, I have a teammate behind card so I don’t have to cover these moves and saved just enough to come around Wright at the end, who I think is still a better rider. Sometimes it’s about being willing to lose to win.
I didn't get to see it live great race, solid recap really told the story. Feels like Innsbruck type worlds with this generation being so versatile might benefit from the style they have been going with closing circuits. Course thats not mvdp,wva, pidcock friendly is bit of shame like an Innsbruck. Sagan got to showcase a bit now Julian imo two best out and out racers/showmen of those years. Next few worlds appear that way. Pog might wait a while for course truly suiting him. Sorry sidetracked by those points great vid awesome route. Nuanced
It's really expensive in the UK to get the closed roads needed for top flight racing. The Women's Tour director was saying that it cost more than £200k just for policing this year, before you add in any other costs. I think the whole position and aero thing that you see with UK riders is because so many spend time in the TT scene, and that is aero obsessed and has a lot of good people putting energy into doing better aero.
I think the Ineos Car 'serviced' several non Ineos riders during the race. Probably because in these events not all of the riders have the luxury of such support to call on. Nice to see.
Sad to see Jimmy Whelan hasn’t been re-signed by EF. After two horror crashes, he showed promising form. Apparently Vaughters doesn’t even give a courtesy call to axed riders. Life on the word tour. Hope Shaw does well.
Having done the British Nat. champs, I can say that they are brutal. Sh** roads, narrow roads, always rain and the firepower that the Conti teams bring is insane. They some allow Elites and Category 1 racers into these races which is how I got in 2017. Proud to say I got spat and basically called it a day on my cycling career and focused on the day job 😂
Seems like ineos wanted swift to win. Hayter had already won crit and TT so probably happy not to be greedy and let swift take the RR even though he was clearly the strongest
1:19 unbelievable bike control; he is riding right on that very narrow "good lane" right next to crashing while likely pumping out lots power according to the bike movement.
offseason content idea - remake the superhuman (i.e. doped) performances video that you removed before (presumably for reasons of copyright). bring back pirate lanterne
I would have to imagine that teams use these races to both sort out their teams and also see how other teams are sorting themselves as well. Obviously the Classics have their purpose but it is ALL about the Grand Tours.
I agree. i think that fred wright was trying to stop ethan hayterb coming back. They know each other pretty well, ive seen them training together a few times
I think Hayter could have won but with Swift in the break and Hayter just winning the TT and the Crit he didn't want to beat his teammate and defending champion. Perhaps team tactics also.
I remember a time where you would only see a few pros in this race. England has come a long way in the last 30 years as far as being competitive globally. You nailed the younger talent coming thru, they will win a lot 🤞 I hope. Thank you LR
Riders were competing as individuals for ‘ national jersey ‘. Teams clearly want their guy to win. Ineos car supported other non ineos riders during the race.
Graham Obree started the tinkering fetish with his washing machine bearings in his world hour bike's bottom bracket. Then its British track cycling and the secret squirrel club searching for marginal (not in a Jiffy bag obviously) gains. Bigham and his HUUB amateur boys then showed everyone else how to properly do aero.
The Pros don't get aero cause they want to show how strong they are.. NO KIDDING.. They're saying that they're not concerned with conserving energy cause they have so much reserve.
Degenerate who watched the 70% of the live stream. 1. Commercial breaks with funky local flare please, poor Matt S. needs rest. 2. Drone shots from senic spots to open up the camera viewing angles. Thanks British cycling for the free stream.😻
The interview with Dowsett on his hour record attempt is here : ua-cam.com/video/rnJar4ZJQMo/v-deo.html&ab_channel=LanterneRougeCyclingPodcast
Nice to see a race promoter actually recognising this type of content as beneficial to their race
I think us Brits learn pretty quickly about getting aero once we start cycling, because it's so feking windy!
. . . . not forgetting also that it's the cheapest option to go faster.
You should try riding in Belgium and the Netherlands….. flat as fuck and it doesn’t half blow coming in off the coast!
You should try riding in Belgium and the Netherlands….. flat as fuck and it doesn’t half blow coming in off the coast!
Lol Britain isn't any windier than the continent and generally the roads are more sheltered by hedges and undulations
@@willbick7889 Maybe not in comparison to belgium, netherlands, northern france etc. But in italy and around the Mediterranean it is less windy for sure
This video hits on some important points that aren't about this race:
- being aero
- circuit races are better for fans
- Britain needs more world tour races but the state of road racing in the UK sucks
- mega talent coming through for Britain
I wondered the exact same thing.
Totally agree - the lack of National A and even National B races is really stifling the road racing scene. Not enough races for conti teams to get the sponsor exposure they need to function, and Nat Bs end up stacked full of conti guys which means that people like me with a distinct lack of talent either don't get a place or get demolished.
The state of roads in the UK sucks!!!
@@davidcook8065 hope you enjoy the doc! RE my FTP - it was. A week or so after the road race I hit 397w for 20mins in an FTP test (so 377w at 78kg = 4.8w/kg). I think Dan's FTP is slightly lower but still very very good. I reckon I should have beaten him in the TT, in the doc you can see I spent 5 or so seconds clipping in *face palm*, had a flappy jersey on and I got held up for a few seconds by traffic (sure Dan could say the same about most of this though). Plus I didn't hit my target power by about 20w so underperformed. As the documentary was trying to show it's not all power, positioning matters, and I think that's something many of us struggle with irl. If we get to do an episode 3 I'd hope we'd get more podiums/wins. I'm cat 3 now and will be pushing for cat 2 next season :). Also don't forget in the couple of sprints Dan did actually get into he rolled most of the competition, so it's just about making that front group next time, something he's easily capable of.
@@sharpyt1 100% it's in such a death spiral too. The tour series works well. If only that could be expanded/built upon.
"Mark Cavendish not covering his sleeve at the startline. What does that mean? I dont know" haha love it
My guess is he knew he'd be dropped and/or had no intentions of finishing
@@ChrisSmith-rp6rx I was Cavs mechanic that day, he had a front wheel flat, did a bike change, he made good progress to get back in the pack but insisted on having original bike back so we replaced the wheel on his first bike and did another swap. By that point he'd burnt too many matches to get back on and pulled out after the cobble climb.
It means that he isn’t cold…
Still some of the finest post race analysis that you'll find anywhere! Long live Lanterne Rouge!
I believe Pidcock can win the British road champ's whenever he decides to now. He really could own national road, world road, world mtb, and world cx jerseys within a 12-month period, and at an incredibly young age. Staying injury-free will be key of course.
Calm down now
World road and World CX is a bit of a push.
Well don’t think about cx MVDP is still in there
@@oscardot he’s so good at CX if he decides to go for road World and got a course that suited him there’s only a hand full of guys that could truly stop him and with MDVP still out with an injury that list begins with wout and ends with Julian
Amateur cycling in Britain is heavily biased towards time-trialling. Long ago "massed start" racing was banned on public roads so the only way cycling clubs could organise races was to send the riders off one at a time. If you got pulled over by plod you would just claim you were off to get the shopping. This lead to a whole host of 10 mile and 25 mile (16km & 40km for you modern chaps) time trials happening up and down the country. Even though the first prize for winning one of these races is the price of a portion of fish & chips (they're often called "fish & chippers") you will see most of the participants covering their shoes & spoked wheels in parcel tape. Brits are definitely good at aero-on-a-budget :-D
You should really do a quick review of crit champs on the same town circuit around Lincoln won by Hayter 2 days before this race. Crazy finish and perfect prologue for Nat champs
That women's crit finish was crazy with that final chicane
Regarding lack of GB World Tour racing, I think everybody including British Cycling was expecting Gary Verity who got Tour De France to Yorkshire and created Tour De Yorkshire would expand the model and turn it into more racing days but the he fcuked it all up by fiddling his expenses, bullying , harassment and all sorts and resigned due to “ill health”.
Lewis Askey looked crazy strong over the road race and the crit. Looking forward to seeing how his career develops
Great to hear that you have that off season content coming!! Good on ya
Love seeing coverage of national championships. Very different dynamic
i know lewis askey he’s a beast such a legend raced in my regional championship since before i started it’s been mad to watch him go from my local cycle track u16 races to world tour
Looking forward to the new videos. Love the work you put in!
One thing you missed was how impressive Leo hayters ride was, rode himself to 8th after being 2mins down most of the race. If you watch how he raced the last third of the race it’s nuts
Realistically it *boiled* down to the proper cuppa Yorkshire tea in the morning
Nice video man
REDSTERRRRR
Hot take: nutters vids are better than LR
@@steeptachanka2867 Very nice of you to say!
Tetley's all the way.
Yorkshire Gold with a spot of honey.
@Lanterne Rouge Tanfield is just a classic example of standard sag climbing
Nationals aren't like normal races. The way I saw it Swift really wanted this one because a) it was a rare chance to race for himself & b) to help backup (almost justify) his 2 & half years in the national jersey. I think he saw Hayter as his biggest rival & so was always on the front foot, keeping Hayter behind with all the advantages that brings. I'd say he rode it to perfection. There was a gamble with Wright being there but if he had worked to get Hayter in the front group he would have had less chance of beating Hayter than Wright.
Best video for ages!! (I love all your videos) I really liked your tone and it felt like you slowed the pace down a little bit. Felt like a story to follow along too as opposed to just fast information delivery ☺️☺️
Great to have you back LR
How the UK scene has changed over the years since the return of the TofBr in its latest incarnation it has allowed racers to develope and graduate into the ranks of the WT teams. Seeing riders in jerseys of the likes of FDJ etc has now become the norm, it wasn’t that long ago most riders were on UK based National teams. It’s good to see. Just wish we had a couple of really good one day races to support
You might not have heard of... Ethan Hayter? You do know your audience LR? 😜 We are aero because we are inherently lazy and like to spend the least amount of kJ possible, we are also pretty good at sports involving sitting down. Cycling, rowing, drinking...
Let's face it if Tanfield hadn't spent all Friday night on the front of the criterium and then actually given someone else some turns in the road race he would have won
Thanks for your usual excellent job!
I grew up in Lincoln, very cool to see it make the big time on LR 😎
The UK has always been pretty forward thinking TT wise with a pretty vibrant TT scene because road racing was illegal until about 30 years ago
Bens bike is absolute bling . Love it. Love your review as well. 👍
Fred Wright was probably fairly confident in winning from this group, which is why he was closing down Tanfield’s moves. If he let Hayter back in then I think he wouldn’t have won, so he had no choice but to ride. Swift just played the perfect, I have a teammate behind card so I don’t have to cover these moves and saved just enough to come around Wright at the end, who I think is still a better rider. Sometimes it’s about being willing to lose to win.
I didn't get to see it live great race, solid recap really told the story. Feels like Innsbruck type worlds with this generation being so versatile might benefit from the style they have been going with closing circuits. Course thats not mvdp,wva, pidcock friendly is bit of shame like an Innsbruck. Sagan got to showcase a bit now Julian imo two best out and out racers/showmen of those years. Next few worlds appear that way. Pog might wait a while for course truly suiting him. Sorry sidetracked by those points great vid awesome route. Nuanced
I have to say I think this was a great wee course for a national championships. That steep cobbled hill at the end was really fun.
It's really expensive in the UK to get the closed roads needed for top flight racing. The Women's Tour director was saying that it cost more than £200k just for policing this year, before you add in any other costs.
I think the whole position and aero thing that you see with UK riders is because so many spend time in the TT scene, and that is aero obsessed and has a lot of good people putting energy into doing better aero.
Really appreciate your continued hard work in the off season, 👏👏but don’t overdo it because we need you full-on, shortly, for the new season 😂😂
What a perfect analysis
I think the Ineos Car 'serviced' several non Ineos riders during the race. Probably because in these events not all of the riders have the luxury of such support to call on. Nice to see.
As always excellent commentary!
INEOS GRENADIERS!!!!!!!!!!!!
He's back! Missed you man
Does this mean you now recognise national champs as a real race @Lanterne Rouge? Top content btw
The Haussler, Bahaus, Fred Wright combo, the barbershop cycling trio coming to dominate a 2.1 stage race near you in 2022. #sendriders
Sad to see Jimmy Whelan hasn’t been re-signed by EF. After two horror crashes, he showed promising form. Apparently Vaughters doesn’t even give a courtesy call to axed riders. Life on the word tour.
Hope Shaw does well.
Lanterne talking about my hometown, quite surreal 😅
Rim brakes??? Why not disc in the wet? With discs you can lock up the wheels and drift thru the corners better with one foot unclipped.
Having done the British Nat. champs, I can say that they are brutal. Sh** roads, narrow roads, always rain and the firepower that the Conti teams bring is insane.
They some allow Elites and Category 1 racers into these races which is how I got in 2017. Proud to say I got spat and basically called it a day on my cycling career and focused on the day job 😂
Thank you...Peace
Seems like ineos wanted swift to win. Hayter had already won crit and TT so probably happy not to be greedy and let swift take the RR even though he was clearly the strongest
1:19 unbelievable bike control; he is riding right on that very narrow "good lane" right next to crashing while likely pumping out lots power according to the bike movement.
INEOS Grenadiers!!!!!!!!!!!!
And on those wet scrabbly roads and climbs the Pinnis are still king under the Ineos guys with rim brakes on carbon. Got to love it.
Really excited to see Hayter at a grand tour.
offseason content idea - remake the superhuman (i.e. doped) performances video that you removed before (presumably for reasons of copyright). bring back pirate lanterne
I would have to imagine that teams use these races to both sort out their teams and also see how other teams are sorting themselves as well. Obviously the Classics have their purpose but it is ALL about the Grand Tours.
Watched initially and recognised the course Peter Buckley series circa 1989 be interested if anybody else watching raced.
GOD I LOVE SEEING INOS WITH RIM BREAKS ON THEIR ROAD BIKES! KEP RIM BREAKS ALIVE FOREVER!!!!
No Lombardia highlight as well?
Couldn’t get the footage rights😥
he doesn't have the rights to show the race
Nice one LR
Are you going to be doing the womens Nationals as it was a great race, arguably better than the mens?
0:24 "Pretty disgooosting stuff" was that intentional?
I agree. i think that fred wright was trying to stop ethan hayterb coming back. They know each other pretty well, ive seen them training together a few times
Think they live together, so know each other really well!
I think Hayter could have won but with Swift in the break and Hayter just winning the TT and the Crit he didn't want to beat his teammate and defending champion. Perhaps team tactics also.
Loved this…
I don't think the video does justice if how steep Michael Gate is it is difficult to walk up when wet let alone cycle.
I remember a time where you would only see a few pros in this race. England has come a long way in the last 30 years as far as being competitive globally. You nailed the younger talent coming thru, they will win a lot 🤞 I hope. Thank you LR
Are we getting one for this years' great races ;)
Did they send over any jiffybags with the footage?
Great vid as usual LR, atmos on Michaelgate was top notch 🤌🤌
Can you look at the junior world road race 2021?
Yes yes yes . Peak LR
Hey Lanterne pretty sure it was 13 laps, not 12. Still a good video, the Lincoln grand prix is always a great race.
Finish looked a bit like the Strada Bianche finish
Great video
Yip I hate to say it the Brits have some super talented riders coming thru
Looks like the British riders in the breakaway were all willing to work to keep it away, since whoever it was they just wanted a British winner.
Perfect UK Horrid small Steep Climb and A couple of cobbles here and their... Fuc*er of a climb,. Likin it....
Tour de Hongrie??
Riders were competing as individuals for ‘ national jersey ‘. Teams clearly want their guy to win. Ineos car supported other non ineos riders during the race.
YESSSSSS ENGLAND 🏴
Britain*
Racing without radios is always better entertainment
Ben Swift's Pinarello is lit
Wright closing Tanfield 3 times cost him the win
Can remember watching live; great finish. Both of the Swift lads are originally from about 30 minutes where I live.
So glad you interviewed Dowsett gonna check that out - any possibility you can commentate the attempt? LETS GOOOOO 💥
Are Ethan and Leo Hayter related?
Graham Obree started the tinkering fetish with his washing machine bearings in his world hour bike's bottom bracket. Then its British track cycling and the secret squirrel club searching for marginal (not in a Jiffy bag obviously) gains. Bigham and his HUUB amateur boys then showed everyone else how to properly do aero.
This is my home town, i walk up that hill every week or so. its a killer on foot, i wouldn't make it on a bike
along with TUE's
9:49 nc voice crack
5:40 Textbook Eddie B., if you're not a great climber....we used to call this the 'fat man's fade'....
The Pros don't get aero cause they want to show how strong they are.. NO KIDDING.. They're saying that they're not concerned with conserving energy cause they have so much reserve.
Everybody is riding in the aero position
7:45 bloody cyclists running red lights as usual.
deesgoosting climb
The climb in Lincoln is an absolute pig. I struggled to walk up it.
Not having radios makes that -much probably- only the smartest ones get into the podium...
"pretty disgostin"... xD
Degenerate who watched the 70% of the live stream. 1. Commercial breaks with funky local flare please, poor Matt S. needs rest. 2. Drone shots from senic spots to open up the camera viewing angles. Thanks British cycling for the free stream.😻
Are android phones sold in the UK? I know its easy to take pot shots at them over Brexit but I think they have Android 😂
It's called sag climbing
DESGUSTIN!
It’s pronounced Mick - ul - gate 😊