You should watch the video again. And watch our other videos - like Did Israel Expel Palestinians? ua-cam.com/video/jB6IhmHYzWs/v-deo.html and Did Israel Take Over Palestine? ua-cam.com/video/0BasXaiHiiI/v-deo.html and What Happened in 1948? ua-cam.com/video/nq-emTGIgaI/v-deo.html Let us know if you want any more recommendations on videos to watch to understand the history, reality, and logic of this conflict
It's more complicated than a 8 min piece from a centrist Jewish perspective can offer. It doesn't mention how it was primarily the Sephardic and ashkenazi populations who suffered persecution by Christians, it doesn't mention that evangelical Christians are in support of Israel due to their own strange biblical prophecies, it doesn't mention how unnecessarily brutal the process of Israeli history has been towards the surrounding areas like the near total control they hold over Gaza's major resources, it doesn't mention the religious criticisms of Zionism within Judaism, it doesn't mention the fact that other people have been exiled from the exact same region many times over even within the past century like my own Christian Palestinian ancestors from Bethlehem (yet I do not have the same right to return there as a mixed Latin American because that right is a privilege only shared among Jews due to the doctrine of Zionism), it doesn't mention the modern perspective of archeology wherein Jews emerged as a monotheistic culture from the cultural backdrop of polytheistic Canaan rather than the small family perspective given in the Bible. That's not to say I don't respect Jews and the perspective that they need the protection of a state but it's so much more complicated than what this video offers and frankly among oppressed groups Jews are relatively well off. Again that's not to say like pogroms and Holocaust were not beyond horrible but that today Jews are a privileged oppressed people who have the power and influence to create and maintain a state, unlike say Romani (gypsy) people who remain in exile or Mayan people who were being massacred through the 80s and 90s or African people in the Americas who were forcibly displaced and now don't have any one homeland they can name and return to. Also this is off track to my point but the philistines didn't disappear lol they'd assimilated with the local Canaanite population. Idk man so much of the history here avoided any nuance and that irks me
There is no such thing as a "privileged oppressed people" for starters. That is literally an oxymoron. You cannot be oppressed and privileged at the same time. If one is privileged, one is not oppressed. There is NO privilege in oppression. African's in America don't need a place to go back too because they ARE American and are not viewed as a separate entity by the majority of Americans. Are there still racists? Yes but there are racists literally in every part of the world unfortunately but the majority of Americans are NOT racist and view African Americans as AMERICANS. Jews have been and continue to be the most oppressed group of people and if you look back at history you'll see that they have been displaced many times over. The holocaust was real and even if you don't take the holocaust into account, there is no denying that jews have been persecuted for a VERY long time in MANY different regions of the world. The Palestinians deserve to live in harmony alongside the jews but it's a shame that their government is run by a terrorist organization. I don't agree with Israeli policies forcing Palestinians out of their homes and that absolutely needs to change but to say Jews are not an oppressed people is just ignorant. I pray for peace for BOTH sides and hope they will one day be able to live together in harmony.
@@valenlevalenle6394 it was a conscious choice to use that phrase lol basically the point is you can hold power over other people while also having power held over you. Historically Jews have had power wielded against them many times over but now the state of Israel (not Jews as a whole but rather the government entity of Israel) holds much power over Canaan and are responsible for displacing Palestinians (over the first nakba in the 1940s and then as currently is going on over decades) and then by continuing the blockade of Gaza. This continuing hostility over so many decades itself is what's pushing Palestinians towards more hardline groups like Hamas rather than the more centrist Fatah and the PLO. The fact is that the Likud government is causing active harm to any possibilities of peace via the mindset that any threat, no matter how small, is the grounds on which another Holocaust could happen. In doing so they deny the responsibility they hold to millions of Palestinians, whose land their state encircles many times over; and in the West Bank, whose government PLO is looking unstable. Within a few years the West Bank will all be Israeli land and the Palestinians there would be stateless if their current citizenship situation would stand. That's not exactly a "both sides" situation by any means and I honestly think it's dumb to exclaim that Jews are the most oppressed group of people worldwide when there's multiple people groups being genocided as we speak.
As a Jew, I wholly support the right for Palestinians to return to Israel proper. It remains to be seen whether or not Israeli society in general will come to support it as well. I'm cynical about it, but I think Israel has nothing to lose from becoming more ethnically and religiously diverse. It's not like other ethnic groups are incapable of coexisting with Jews or supporting their right to sovereignty.
And when did this Christian persecution of “ Ashkenazi and Sephardic “ people happen? Because there is also the reverse that’s happened in history. Neither is ok but don’t pretend you are the only victims. It’s getting old.
@@gizmomogwai2434 what? 1) I'm not Jewish, I said as much right there in my comment. 2) Ashkenazi and Sephardi are hebrew names for two branches of the Jewish diaspora that were in Europe. Ashkenazi for the ones who went to central and Eastern Europe and Sephardi for the ones who went to Spain. 3) I never said Christian's haven't been persecuted, in fact most of the people affected here in what I'm talking about has little to do with Christians in Israel/Palestine. 4) I'm not a victim. Jews who died in holocaust, Palestinians who are dying in the Nakbas very much are. I'm just trying to say that forced displacement, coloniality, and the perpetual threat of state violence are never okay. Do you think they're okay?
And the US threw out the Russians in Alaska to do what? Oh yeah exploit the local native population and used things like God to justify this under manifest destiny. Israel is an Apartheid ethno state. Support jews people not Zionism or Israel and if you think the state IS the Jewish people you are sick ultra nationalist.
Scientist predicted that everyone has become so interracial that there will not be a single full blooded race in the whole world I think that's why mom would get mad when you brought home someone new 🙂
Except that ignores the fact that jews has a continued presence in the region even after the Roman era and for hundreds of years predating islam. Likewise it ignores that most Palestinians left the area in the 40s not due to expulsion but because their leaders told them to leave. The ones that remained are still there living as 20% of the Israeli population.
@@rachaelschwartz8664 but how long does indigenousness last? The celts were indigenous to the whole of the European Continent before they were driven out by the franks and isolated on the island of Ireland. If the Republic of Ireland conquered France and started settling their population in the conquered land, it wouldn’t be “celts returning to their Celtic homeland”, it would be Ireland colonizing France. The fact that the territory was Celtic at one point doesn’t make it any less colonial.
@@Dreamingofivoryart Maybe because all of Israel is a Jewish archeological site dating from at least 3000 years ago to the present... and Arabs only colonized Israel in the 7th century...
@@TheMikerophone the difference is two fold; firstly, there has always remained a Jewish population in the land of modern Israel, unlike the celts and mainland Europe. And the Jews have always considered Israel their homeland, and included the return to it in many of their traditions and prays - which the celts have not. Secondly, the Jews didn’t conquer Israel, they legally immigrated back to their homeland. There is literally nothing stopping Celtic people legally moving back to their historical homeland in mainland Europe. Especially since Ireland is still part of the EU. Every single Irish person could literally pick up sticks and move to France if they wanted. But now they feel more of a connection with their British territories, so they don’t
Theodore Herzl literally referred to his plans as "something colonial" in a letter to Cecil Rhodes (the guy who founded the white supremacist colony of Rhodesia) where he asked him for help in the endeavour.
Not only herzl many other early Zionists were pretty open about it. Because at that time colonialism was not a bad thing. It was considered good thing. It was only after Colonialism got a bad reputation that Zionist started to say we are not colonizers.
It's not just colonialism, it's settler colonialism. The most abhorrent, illegal, racist, ethnosupremacist, apartheid form. It's founders were EXPLICIT about this. Read the documents for yourself. They were proud of it.
It's true David Ben-Gurion, has it all over his speeches and writings. Yet Zionists still are stuck on that claim, of it being some decolonization movement which is just ridiculous at this point.
because of the lord Balfour statement and in 1947 the two state solution passed in the un and israel accepted and made a country following the plan borders israel has spread to her now borders after the arabs start a war with israel and israel won bigtime.
If Zionism is Colonialism , that suggests any other National movement is Colonialist .Italian Unification , Scottish independence . And if you claim that Jews have no previous history in the Land of Israel (They literally share a name) despite cultural , historical , religious and archeological evidence of native existence there for 3200 years , that suggests no actual Ethnicity deserves to live in their native land since they such a comparatively short history there and less of a religious , cultural and historical connection to it .
As Palestinian was only a geographical area named by a Roman Hadrian in 135AD. The land was not stolen from Arabs who did not own it. The major landowners were the Turks, the Ottomans. Your claim is a conflicting narrative.
Its still colonialism. "My religion says its mine" or "my ancestors were there a thousand years ago" (Palestinians are also the ancestors of Jews) are not reasons to create a new state on other peoples land. I'm not saying they should pack up their things and leave, but if everyone else followed that logic the entire world would be in forever wars and be just as f'd up as Israel/Palestine is now. If I take a dna test and find out I am ancient Etruscan and I want to set up a state in Italy that worships the Flying Spaghetti Monster that doesn't mean I can or should.
There are no Palestinian children being bombed in Gaza. The areas bombed in Gaza are the areas thst shot 4400 rockets at Israel.,if there are casualties.,that is awful except war has casualties Israel only shoots at Gaza when shot at.
wait wait wait..... the Romans have been gone what 1500 years?? I'm Italian literally Roman blood in my veins. do I get to make a grievance against the Celts or the the Carthaginians or the Germanics? wtf is this nonsense?
It was really nice to hear you acknowledging the Palestinian identity. But zionism in israel today and since 1948 is cultural ethnic domination and expansions to the Palestinian Territories
But which Palestinian Territories are you talking about, border-wise? Many forget that Jordan and Egypt annexed the West Bank and Gaza Strip, respectfully, and ruled from 1949-1967.
The Mandate for Palestine was literally created to build a Jewish State. This was decided by the precursor to the UN called the League of Nations. Almost every middleastern country was created through the same mandate system after WW1. Look up British Mandate for Palestine.
That's what you should be doing anyway right? The world is perspective of one, history is a perspective of a group. To get the full story of anything you need to collect all perspectives and in theory you arrive at a middle ground. But what passes as a "good" perspective gets worse by the day. SUMMARY: multiple sources=great idea
Nothing wrong with viewing multiple perspectives. I think jewish people have a right to present their version of history along with their opinions as does palestine and those surrounding them. The truth is always somewhere in the middle
To me my opinion, this logic is flawed. You could talk about land like this for many many different kinds of peoples with this logic native America should go back to Native Americans. South America should go back to the Mayans. Britain should go back to the indigenous tribes before the Romans changed it forever. Canada, Australia, many places in Africa. And so on should all land go back to indigenous people. Then where would you put all the leftover people considering there is more likely 7 1/2 billion more people now, then at any point in ancient history. What about persecuted Native Americans? How come that’s never a topic
We are friend to peace , nonviolence and co-operation , We are friend to all religion not only jew but with this murderous zionist cult which had blood of innocent palestinian we can never be friend . Love from INDIA
@Starhopper Marshall Teach is the one that knows a little history but not the rest. Strange how that they don't know how to do math. Out of approximately 800 ARAB (NOT PALESTINIANS) who escaped to the West Bank (JUDEA AND SAMARIA, EAST JERUSULEM AND GAZA), the numbers of Arabs aka 1964 Palestinian number 6 million or more. 2 million live under the harsh, corrupt Islamic Satanic forces called Hamas. 2 million live under the corrupt, stubborn and clown Mahmoud Abbas, so rich, he can reject a homeland for the Arabs living under his corrupt control. 2 million live as full Israeli citizens with rights to health and social services; are members of the Israeli parliament, are Judges in the Supreme Court, businessmen, attorneys, pharmacists, heads of major hospitals and more.
One would define genocide by the number declining. How do you define genocide when the numbers increase? Taking a wild guess here...you don't really know the facts or history...you are grabbing at straws and praying that you don't drown in the swamp. I can recommend excellent reading material if you want to be educated so that you can post knowledgeably on this subject.
I would be interested to know exactly what you know about the Gaza conflict. At the same time try and educate me about this West Bank (JUDEA AND SAMARIA) thingy... Please enlighten me about Arab aka Palestinian claims to Jerusalem. Thanks so much.
NO. IT IS NOT COLONIALISM ! zionism is the term of a return to the TRUE homeland of the jews. colonialism is a definition for an empire who conquers a populated area of people or a country that is not a part of its territory for example: The ottoman empire, The brits, The romans etc...
They were cut off from water, electricity, and food. They were slowly dying No one helps or protects them How difficult it is for your entire family to die under bombing and for you to carry them in pieces😢 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🫂💗Please understand their situation and research more before judging. I am speaking to you as a human being, so do not kill a child unintentionally.
@@cabdixakim8665 Idk. I'm an alcoholic. I am completely alone I just like vamping and testing folks. I'll sober up in the morning and come back to this. And I'll be able to answer you with a clear head.
Even though before political zionism there was only a minority of jews in israel. The ones came later came legaly, bought land legaly, as the local sovereignty of the Turks and British allowed. And there was no talk of any Palestinines, there were just jews and arabs. The "Palestinian people" idea was invented in the 60s in an atempt to subvert israeli arabs though it backfired compleatly in events like black september and the cause that led to lebanon civil war
It was legal in the same sense as slavery in the US was legal - simply because powerful people and institutions decided that it was. The "legality" in those times had nothing to do with human and civic rights and democratic rule that we rightfully take for granted these days. At no point the native population of Palestine, that was close to 95% Arab at the onset of Zionism, agreed to or accepted any kind of foreign Zionist rule on the land they had been living on for centuries and had real, not historical/religious/ideological, ties with. The Zionist project expanded contrary to their wishes and against any basic democratic principles. If instead of colonial powers deciding the fate of the land in 1947 it were to be decided by its residents democratically - there would be no Israel today. So yes, in simple words, Israel is indeed a colonial entity that caused (and still does to this day) immense suffering to the native population of Palestine.
@@evgenetic3479 and it was the same "powerful people and institutions" that brot arabs to the region in the first place just different day. that's why the Arabs in 70 years ago just wanted Israel to be carved up by Egypt Jordan and Syria. as the local Arab have no intent of improving the poor and resources less land like us and just wanted the richer Arab countries to curry them. and ohhh cause so much "immense suffering to the native population of Palestine." that right now these Arabs are the richest Arabs out side the Persian gulf. stop making a victims out of your self it is this victim narrative that led to the Arabs uncompromising narrative on the subject of peace and is the reason why there is no Arab/Palestinian state in the first place. all the way back from 1937 when the Peel Commission of the British wanted to divide the region according to the population at least % wise when the Jews will get only 20%. and like always the Jews accepted it and the Arabs rejected it like any solution that doesn't make us Jews wind up the sea. so you can continue to reject it and the balance of power and demographics will continue to tilt toward our direction. as even the Arab nations got tired of you.
@@nicbahtin4774 The British or Ottoman empires brought Arabs to the region? Now that's a load of nonsense. The Palestinians living in Gaza and refugee camps are the "the richest Arabs out side the Persian gulf"? That's an even bigger load of nonsense. "British wanted to divide the region " - now that's the core issue with you view - the land did not belong to the British! It belonged to the people who lived there, and as I said before they were completely against Zionist migrations and attempts to form an Jewish supremacist state in the region. If you consider yourself a democrat you should clearly see a major issue with a foreign state, Britain, occupying land and giving off chunks of it to other people for political reasons whilst completely ignoring the wishes of native population. Regarding what happened 70 years ago - naturally the native Arab population wanted to protect themselves against Zionist invasions from Europe who wanted to form a Jewish supremacist state in the land, eventually the Zionists succeeded with the help of mass expulsions of native population. What other Arab countries did and what were their goals is irrelevant, from the point of view the Arab Palestinians they simply wanted to get all the help they could get given the fact the Zionists were supported by the most powerful countries in the world back then.
@@evgenetic3479 Gaza isn't part of israel for 15 years no IDF or jews there. The state of Gaza is Hamas's failure. Not that i expect them or you to own up to that.
They’ve had 5 opportunities to sign a peace agreement after losing all the wars that they started. 1948, 1967, 1969, 1973, and 1982 are all examples. Palestine sheltered Hamas, the only way to destroy Hamas is to topple the Palestinian regime. They fucked around, now they’re finding out. The unfortunate side effect of war is collateral.
@@Jarfillerwhy would they sign a proposal for statehood that only gives them back a portion of their own land. That’s like stealing from someone than asking them to share when they get mad
This video confirms that zionism is colonialism because the greatest colonialists of them all gave Palestinian land that they had colonialised to people who were happy to take over stolen property or property of those who were forced to flee because of zionist terrorism ultimately caused by the colonialists. Pure evil, both of them
After seeing lots of content about Israel is racist, homophobic, an apartheid state, a terrorist country. I love this kind of content providing a different perspective on the palestine-israel conflict, keep uploading clear and honest educational video please
This video confirms that zionism is colonialism because the greatest colonialists of them all gave Palestinian land that they had colonialised to people who were happy to take over stolen property or property of those who were forced to flee because of zionist terrorism ultimately caused by the colonialists. Pure evil, both of them
Modern day Jews = not related to ancient Jews Palestinans = predominantly muslim and christians whose ancestors were arabized, with a small Samaritan community proving that all Palestinians are natives, since they look exactly the same like Pali Muslims and Christians Zionism is in fact colonialism :-)
the dna tests show that they are both mostly native and related to each other. Some elements of non native blood because arabia is not in the levant in the "palestinans" and some non native blood (european, persian, etc) in the "jews". But both have levantine blood
DNA studies show the Modern Jews still show 50% of Canaanite DNA the Canaanites were assimilated into the Israelites about 3000 years ago There are genetic differences based on religion, the Christians are different genetically than Muslims. Not all Palestinians are native, many calling themselves as Palestinian come from other lands
If you need to create your state by expelling hundreds of thousands of people already living there, then that is colonialism. The colonialist nature of Israel also explains Israel's hostility to other indigenous groups such as Armenians and black southern Africans (Israel was a fierce supporter of apartheid South Africa and Rhodesia).
Although israel wasn’t as strong in its opposition to apartheid South Africa relative to other nations during the late era of its existence (after 67) it wasn’t a “fierce supporter “ of apartheid South Africa. They were economically isolated and hated by most of MENA and Africa after 67. I’m strongly against apartheid South Africa along with many Israelis (a majority who would be considered mixed or black in South Africa) but to conflate their horrible economic situation with a “fierce supporting” is stupid. Also, calling the West Bank and occupation or even an apartheid occupation makes sense but calling all of Israel is plain stupif
Israeli-Armenian ties are also not to do with Israelis “hostility” to other indigenous groups but to do with international relations and that each country are on opposing sides of the middle eastern Cold War going on rn
Interesting you creat facts for your self because truth does not support your statement. You are a liar or you don't know what you're talking about. Israelis and Jewish people care for the Armenian it was Ottoman Turks (ruled by Muslim Turks headed by the sultanate of the Osmanli/Ottoman dynasty) which committed the first genocide of 20 th century against the Aremenian's. Many Holocaust museums pay respect to Aremenina genocide victims. In 1982, Yad Vashem ( Israel Holocoust Museum ) sponsored the International Conference on Holocaust and Genocide, which included six presentations on the Armenian genocide. However, it later withdrew from the conference after threats by the Turkish government that Jewish lives in Turkey, would be put in danger if the conference went ahead. In regards to South Africa,"I cannot conceive of Israel withdrawing if Arab states do not recognize Israel within secure borders.” Nelson Mandela. In addition, Nelson Mandela refused to open an office in Libya because Libyan leader, Muammar Gaddafi would not allow Jew's working in ANC to work in Libya (racism=Apartheid) 514,429 viewsNov 9, 2010
Let us not refer to a land in the middle east by it's Greek name, it just does not make sense. Jehuda and Shomron or IsrEl is way more suiting. All people who think this land should only be arabic please tell me when was the last tame an independent arabic country by the name of palestine ever existed there. I as an Israeli have no problem with Palestinian nationalism and think that israel must return some land for peace to happen (like we did in the past with egypt) but our dear neighbours must understand that we are here we are at home and they have to accept that.
It's crazy if only hamas and supporters of palestine tried some sort of diplomatic solution that was non violent involving economics and intervention by major powers previously 🤔
yeah, like agreeing that staying on 20% of their own land was fair and final. But only if they agreed that Israel had rights to that 20% too. You mean that solution?
I think my takeaway is that empire is pretty much always bad (but it’s fun in video games okay???) and usually just leads to forced migrations and mass exterminations. Whoever invented empire should be put on trial for warcrimes or something like that.
@@BeefZupreme Perhaps, but I think it is difficult for an empire (or imperium? Not sure) to exist cross-generationally without being compromised by material or ideological drift/interests. Idk, there’s probably more nuance here. If we’re considering the “Platonic” ideal of family, then maybe an empire could exist ethically or something, but it’s an intentionally unrealistic ideal (like utopia, for example). If I’m using jargon-y terminology, please let me know. I can try to use analogy to explain some of these things that I think about this… 🤔
Eh, you’re painting with too broad of brushes. Empires can be good AND bad. Sure they can lead to bad things like genocide and forced migrations, but they also lead to good such as innovation and protection. It’s like saying anything from religion to automobiles is “good” or “bad” the topics are far to broad and complex for such labels. Don’t think of it as good or bad. Just know that it is something that “is” and isn’t something we can be rid of. Doing otherwise is simply childish.
The claim of land that was potentially yours millennias ago is insane to me. What then of the people who prior to them? Would they then have a stronger claim?
It’s interesting because the biblical narrative tells the story that the Hebrews were foreigners escaping slavery and actively displaced the native canaanites. Painting themselves essentially as conquerors. However! Genetic tests show across different Jewish ethnic groups, Israelis, and Palestinian Christian, Muslim, and Jews (Mizrahi) - they all are directly descended from canaanites / have Canaanite DNA markers to varying degrees. A genetic continuity. Which is so weird bc the cultural narratives is that the proto-Israelites and Canaanites were totally separate, right? The answer likely lies in the Bronze Age Collapse and major social upheavals afterward. Some Canaanites retreated into the mountains bc of so much coastal destruction and wars. Those people began to form a Israelite identity (slowly abandoning polytheistic pantheon toward worshipping a single God), due to whatever complicated social factors at the time. The idea that they were from “elsewhere” could have come from foreigners entering the land and “joining” the formerly Canaanite tribes, bringing their own narratives, such as escaping persecution from Egypt. Pre-Collapse, Canaan was a vassal state under Egyptian subjugation, so the newly forming Israelites (who in 1200 BC weren’t so much a kingdom as loosely connected tribes with vaguely similar identity and cultural practices) would be keen to be free of that as well as separating themselves from other-god-worshipping city states and tribes, and would welcome outsiders who felt similarly perhaps. Then flash forward 700ish years to the Babylonian exile and all these oral stories from different tribes and the different kingdoms are stitched to form a unified narrative and Jewish cultural identity. Definitely kernels of truth in it, but accuracy wildly varies It’s absolutely fascinating, and extremely disappointing and horrifying that in the end that different parts of the narrative are used to justify displacement of people by claiming they’re the “true” inheritors of the land. When it has always been a diverse mix of people coming together and going apart. The genetics roughly stays the same, with various foreign influences ar different times from different empires, but the beliefs and languages are what seem to change.
@@lumanate1493 that only applies to indigenous Jews & related people (not Eastern European colonialists) and plenty of the Palestinians who are Muslims likely have roots in the region going back just as far, it's often found in genetic studies that modern populations are closely related to ancient peoples (ex. Turks and Hungarians) even if they don't share the ancient peoples language or religion, people convert for convenience.
@@nSikandar firstly I am glad you brought up genetic studies because most of the Palestinian population according to multiple studies are ear identical to Jewish populations which suggests that likely Palestinians were jewish people who converted. And seeing how Judaism came way first… So the fact islam is even in the area suggest that they were technically the settler colonists. Regardless though, there has never been a Palestinian state. The core jewish community that became Israel started off with 20000 indigenous jews and 80000 jews who legally moved there under Ottoman law. Likewise who legally bought land from Palestinians. So if this is colonialism then under your logic Chinatowns and little italy’s in the US are settler colonies. Then after the ottomans under the Palestine mandate the land Jews lived on was further legitimized. (75% of the land went to Arabs) Then during Nazi genocide more Jewish came to the Palestine mandate lands legally fleeing oppression. Then after the war the UN approved two states. One Arab one Jewish. To which the arabs countries declared war. And lost. Countries that are established are allowed to control immigration. Israel had a claim to become a country the second the Ottomans no longer controlled the region. At the very least as must as the arabs did (Jordan exists). Most of the Palestinians who were displaced was a result of their leaders telling them to leave not Jewish people displacing them. The Palestinians that stayed are Israeli citizens and make up 20% of the population and were likely victims of Hamas’ attack. This is a case of more refugees than displacement.
"Reality" (or "realty" since the conflict is about real estate). And for that, you can blame the Palestinian leadership for missing every opportunity to negotiate with Israel on the return of those lands. That Jared Kushner's 2020 proposal of returning only 70% of the West Bank fell far short of Ehud Barak's 2000 proposal of 97%, can be blamed on the short-sightedness of Yassir Arafat. To your charge of colonialism: Historically, when the British partitioned the Mandate, they gerrymandered the territory -- the Jewish districts became Israel, the Arab ones, Palestine -- which explains the jigsaw puzzle-like appearance of the original pre-'48 maps. It also should be noted that the Jews at that time were living in lands that were legally purchased by Jewish organizations like Jewish National Fund (JNF). The Palestinian Arabs were either expelled during the war of '48 for abetting surrounding Arab countries whose armies invaded nascent Israel, or were not permitted back after fleeing from the Israelis who were proving to be victorious in repelling the invading Arab armies. Just giving you historical perspective. Doubt my word? Just google it.
First you need to know the definition of "Palestinian lands", because "Palestine", as you've seen on the video, just means "Land of Israel". You can even see this on British currency and passports that they are the same things. So, how do you call the behavior of a nation that lives in its homeland and builds buildings ? Just natural living.
@@LiranBarsisa the international community including the uk recognizes the West Bank and Gaza as Palestinian lands so when Israel builds settlements on a another country’s that’s colonialism
This video repeatedly speaks of "Palestinians" during the 1920s, 30s and 40s. If you did a bit more research, you would know, that "Palestinians" were only concocted in 1964 around the time of the Beatles' third album.
that's common though, people often use modern terminology when the terminology used at the time isnt known among the general population: just look at the "byzantine empire" or "mycenean greeks". it doesnt help that among english speakers who were alive at the time there arent many alive at the time who knew about the issues going on in Palestine/Israel enough to know the correct terminology, they likely just called them "jews" and "muslims" or "arabs" without much knowledge of national or ethnic backgrounds of the groups, especially since antisemitism was still very prevalent among english speakers.
WHY SHOULD COLONIALISM BE an F-Word. As a fact since the beginning of times people have settled in other lands, had exchanges with others, mixed and new cultures emerged.
@@warcriminalgaming2359 I forgot how the Bible is such a well made document that it includes a planetary flood that has no evidence to support it at all and a god that contradicts itself most of the time. Not even mentioning how it was made like a century after Jesus’ supposed birth.
It confirms that zionism is colonialism because the greatest colonialists of them all gave Palestinian land that they had colonialised to people who were happy to take over stolen property or property of those who were forced to flee because of zionist terrorism ultimately caused by the colonialists
@@nathenhamden It confirms nothing Colonialism definition: the policy or practice of acquiring full or partial political control over another country, occupying it with settlers, and exploiting it economically. Yet Palestine or the Arab land there was never an independent country and the Palestine nationality is new. The Israeli land is poor with barely any exploitable resources... How can this be defined as colonialism ? The sole reason Jews came to Israel is because of their history and religion identity that they kept for thousands of years. The Jews that came to Israel didn't come out of nowhere and suddenly want all of Israel for themselves while also exploiting resources that didn't exist... Ever since the exodus Jews have longed to go back to their homeland the land of Israel. It's their homeland, not some colony of Western civilization for European white supremacists, half of the Jews in Israel are Mizrahi, Jews from Arab/Muslim lands, Jews from Africa and Asia. Moreover, in no way or form does it state to "decolonize" any Arabs on the way. The whole displacement of Palestinians is because of a war their grandparents started with the surrounding Arab nations. When more Jews came to Israel the nation was weak and in no way comparable to the power it has today yet people keep comparing the past of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict equivalent to the British colonizing the Americas. Palestinians started the Arab-Jewish civil war, they lost and in turn many got displaced, later the Arab nations invaded; more Palestinians got displaced (Jews too) but the Arab invading countries lost (Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Jordan) while also not allowing Palestinian refugees to assimilate in order to fuel the conflict even more, and here we are today.
@@nathenhamden it shows you didn't understand the video at all. Jews in Israel is decolonization, Jews have a history that precedes that of the Arab conquest by thousands of years. Israel is the ONLY country in the world where the same nation of people, same religion, same land and same language are used as they were thousands of years ago. Jews returning to Israel is also for the best as now Christians, Jews and Muslims have a freedom of religion in the land and a chance to pray in Jerusalem, something they didn't have under the Ottoman, British or Jordanians. Palestinians have a chance to build their own state for the first time as the Jordanians nor the Egyptians gave them the option before. If the Palestinians were to go back to '48, there would be an ethnic cleansing of anyone not Muslim. Just look at the Christian community in Gaza and the West Bank dwindling while in Israel they are growing. Sharia laws would also be placed just like they are in Gaza and if people falling from airplanes in Afghanistan showed us something, it's that it's not a positive thing especially for non-Muslims.
@@LeeLe412 zionists terrorised the indigenous people and stole their land. You can't just go back somewhere 2000 years later and claim that you have come back to reclaim land in which your ancestors previously lived and uproot the residents who have been there for hundreds of years. It's contrary to property law and human rights. Period.
@@nathenhamden the Indigenous people of the land are the Jews who have had a consistent presence in the area since before the invention if Islam and are called "Jews" because they come from Judea, while Palestinians and didn't start calling themselves Palestinians until the 60's, before then "Palestinians" referred to Jews. There have always been Jews in the land, that's undisputable. Although it's true that there have been casualties to both sides and at this point the Palestinians are indigenous too, their governments (Hamas and PA) don't seem willing to compromise and just share the land, the only solution available, so that's on them. Diplomacy and law didn't seem to sway their opinion, nor did wars they started: the San Remo Resolution in 1920, Balfour Declaration, UN votes in 1947, legally purchased lands (from Palestinians too) and wars that were waged on Israel... Non seem to have worked, so you are welcomed to brainstorm. And if you want to get into "terrorizing" than here are just a few examples of it: 1936-1939 Arab revolt in Palestine 1938 Tiberias massacre 1929 Hebron massacre 1929 Palestine riots 1921 Jaffa riots 1834 Safed pogrom 1517 Hebron attacks 1517 Safed attacks Massacre during the First Jewish-Roman War 67 AD Massacre during the Samaritan Revolt (36 AD) If you have to wipe out an ethnic group's whole history by denying they are indigenous just to prove your point, it's not a point worth making and you are just hurting the Palestinian cause. You are also going against historical findings, scientific research, archeological proof, documents, coins, scrolls, tombs, Stone slabs, books etc.. there is so much evidence disproving your claim that you might as well say the earth is flat. Instead of gaslighting Jews, how about trying to promote peace and actually help the Palestinians, not lie for them. In the end, you are just hurting everyone involved.
Not meant to be a gotcha question, but if you support giving Israel back to the Jews, would you also support giving all of the Yucatán back to the Maya? Or Constantinople and Ionia to the Greeks? If not, why not?
If the colonial empire occupying the land left, and the ancient indigenous people returned, bought land, developed land, agreed to share, and defended themselves in war, then sure!
@@UNPACKED Except that it wasn't the colonial empire "occupying" the land - it was the actual indigenous people who actually lived there. The colonial empire who 'owned' the land of the indigenous people did not actually stay there - and were not the ones who were displaced. But let us work on a solution for today. How can Jews and Palestinians live together in your view? Are you going to give them their land back, right of return and stay side by side. Are you going to help them achieve that. Or is this all a publicity stunt and an eye-blind. The Jewish people cannot gain their freedom at the expense of the Palestinian people. And lots of Jewish people recognise that.
You do know that a minimal number of Arabs lived on a minimal amount of land? And maybe you are not familiar with history but the land was ruled and owned by the British colonial empire (and before that the Ottoman colonial empire, and before that a whole series of colonial empires… all the way back to when the indigenous Jewish nation lived there!) And here’s some idea of how Israel and Palestinians could live side by side: ua-cam.com/video/1kYWII25cxM/v-deo.htmlsi=kW9cVGehuJzMrqnh Do you have any better ideas?
There were other “kingdoms” (people) before establishing Jewish kingdom! I suppose their descendants should come and take back what’s rightfully theirs from both Palestinians and Jews??? People lived on land created by Allah for man to dwell on and so man dwelled…Jews, Arabs and any other nation one identifies with has the right to live in safety on any part of land Allah created as He Holds dominion over every speck of it! No Arab denies your existence nor your rights to worship but not at the expense of Palestinians. You could have migrated back and lived in peace without taking away the governance from Palestinians that already existed. You expect Palestinians to live under your rule without any objections, though the same can’t be said for you, something you’re not willing to do living under their rule 🤔
The United States should end military aid to Israel 1. Israel can pay for its own military. Israel has a strong economy, an excellent international credit rating, and runs frequent budget surplus. Israel ran an annual surplus of more than a billion dollars six out of the last ten years. 2. Military aid to Israel is a security risk. Israel is a major supplier of military technology to China. These sales have been instrumental in the modernization of the Chinese military. Israel developed the Lavi fighter from American technology with 1.5 billion in American subsidies. Israel sold the Lavi fighter to China. It is now called the J-10 and is the mainstay of the Chinese Air Force. Israel has also sold China missile guidance systems,, advanced radar systems and targeting systems. 3. Israel is a diplomatic liability. 4. Military aid to Israel is illegal under the Leahy Law because of Israel's human rights violations. Any aid to Israel is illegal under the Symington amendment which prohibits aid to nations with nuclear weapons that have not signed the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and do not permit inspections of their nuclear sites
You dreamt of returning to Palestine and you did with the help of GB’s Balfour Declaration, who will help all the Palestinians refugees who also dream of returning to the land of their forefathers?🤔
The Jewish desire to return to the homeland is grounded in a ethnocentric religious view. It's not a substantial excuse for displacing and oppressing thousands of people. A Jewish homeland, at the cost of what? Your souls?
Lots of shortcuts from the narrator and the person interviewed: - clichés about Jews -> Jewish guilt and love for food (?) - Western-centric opinions and views -> "the lands were conquered by nearly every empire", you're omitting a few empires here 2/5 stars, do not recommend.
@@adamflamm4444 You must be proud of yourself., Who was behind all the killings of the native Americans? the Mayans? the Aztecs ? the Inca's ? the Indians ? the Australian aboriginals ? the Africans? The Vietnameses.. etc etc? Remember it is only new history..
Well done. Thank you for affirming the indigenous status of Jewish people in Israel. Is you all mention, I feel like that doesn’t get talked about enough.
@@donaldducko6580 1) do you know what is a propaganda? 2) what interest does UPACK have by posting this video? It isnt getting paid by Israel, KKL or any other jewish organisation. It does not get paid by the zionist congress committee (or however they're called). They're not Israeli, those are American Jews who speak for themselves from what they know. There are some innacurecies in this video, like when the israeli war of independence began (it actually began as a civil war that later in may 1948 became a war of survival for the newborn jewish state). If you have anything else to say please do, maybe you can elaborate on your statement.
This video confirms that zionism is colonialism because the greatest colonialists of them all gave Palestinian land that they had colonialised to people who were happy to take over stolen property or property of those who were forced to flee because of zionist terrorism ultimately caused by the colonialists. Pure evil, both of them
Many look at the whiteness level of many Jews and question the Jewish narrative that all of them descended from the Middle East. The logic goes as follows: If Jews really inter-married with each other and had few converts from outside, the genetic makeup of Jewish society should be mainly Middle-Eastern / Arab, similar to how Egyptians, Syrians, Turks and Persians look like. Instead, many Jews, especially those from America and Eastern Europe, display skin color akin to the caucus region. This can only be explained due to a relatively high level of conversion from the caucus / non-native region to Israel, at least in some areas. The claim that many Ashkenazi Jews say that they are direct descendants of the Middle East is therefore cast into doubt. That is not to say this can outright deny all Jews claims to the land, but it does place a question mark on the makeup of over 50% of Jewish society. Even if there was direct lineage, can one say they belong to a land because their great great great great great great great great great great great great great grandfather was cast out of it? There is also wide agreement that had it not been for Christian/European mistreatment of Jews in diaspora, most would still remain outside of Israel living their comfortable European lives. The main reason so many came to Israel was because they were seeking a refuge. The idea of making their own state was not even a popular idea until all that persecution began to peak in the 1800s. I'm of the opinion that was happened in the past should remain in the past. People need to move on with the times. As a result, I don't blame Jews for deciding to create a state in what was once their native land (or at the very least, the origin of their religion). That said, they also need to recognize that there is a large number of displaced Palestinians / Arabs who still live in now fully built cities made of refugee camps. Whatever land they do still own often gets seized by the Israeli government on the basis of a religious Zionist will to complete full annexation, which goes against both the Balfour and UN declarations of a shared land between Jews and Arabs. Since so much land was already taken by settlers, and local Palestinians have no real way to hold a sustainable state in the fractional and highly dispersed lands they have left, the only solution to their conflict is to absorb the local Palestinians into Israeli society and make them full fledged and equal electorate members in a single state. This also means that Palestinians should have the same right travel across the country and buy land/property wherever they go. Anything else will amount to full fledged apartheid.
Wrong. a recently genetic research of jews from diaspora America,Europa middle east proved that all have the same chains of DNA.the history language archeology of the jews proved their linke to the land.Israel is a demo ratic state with equality of rights to all citizens,and it practice no Aphartheid.
Amusing, as it wasn't long ago that it was common in European anti-Semitic panphlets to pinpoint specific facial characterisitc upon what has been considered the typical Jewish Apearance, long noses and such. Features which coincedently are shared by other mid-easterners. So which is it? Interstingly enough, recent development in DNA tracing technology relveals that European Jews have been found to be closest to mid-easterners among all Europeans.
Sure except this bears 0% reflection to reality. Have you seen Ahed Tamimi? Linda Sarsour admitted to putting on a hijab bc otherwise she just looked like a white lady. As uncomfortable as it is for either to acknowledge, Jews and Palestinians are blatantly related. Also tell me you don’t understand anything about how colonization and forced displacement works. You think it was gd coincidence Judaism became matrilineal after the Romans invaded and exiled Jews? You think in 2k years of being in lands as the hated minority it’s remotely realistic to expect modern Jews to look like your (imaginary) version of how they used to look? Some of your sentences indicate the presence of the ability to think, it just seems turned off on others
I’m so sick of children telling people what they should and shouldn’t do. Literally keep your mouth shut and listen to your elders. Question, everything.
This video expresses the idea of Zionism through the perspective of an Israeli which is a valid perspective . But it suggests that the idea of something is more important than the affect it has on its environment. In reality affects are more important than ideas . I wish that the the United States had encouraged and facilitate the the displaced jewish population to come to the United States. There was plenty of room And resources. It definitely would have not created endless conflicts. It would have greatly benefited the entire world
It’s just as well that the vast majority of Israelis are MENA. 20% are Arabs, and 50% are mizrahi jews who fled massacres and expulsions in other Arab countries. That’s not even mentioning the Ethiopian Jews, but please do go on about how israel is full of European colonisers
This video confirms that zionism is colonialism because the greatest colonialists of them all gave Palestinian land that they had colonialised to people who were happy to take over stolen property or property of those who were forced to flee because of zionist terrorism ultimately caused by the colonialists. Pure evil, both of them
@@nathenhamden Those same people who were "forced to flee" are the same people that were expecting to teturn after the Jews blood would pain the sea red, and the last of them would all be dead.... Should also be mentioned the fact that those same arabs illegaly immigrated to the land, attacked innocent people, assassinated, assaulted and even burned them and their houses.... And above all that it was a war, these people supported the wrong side and as a consquances lost everything... Tell me more about the "colonisation" please.... War is war, and those who gamble on it can lose...
the most important thing , is that it does not matter what type and amount of playful words and false twisted history or wrong slogans , or how much israel use the religion in its message to establish a country in palestine , all of this can not be an execuse or erase the fact , that they killed , demolish, steal , destroy thousands of houses and people in palestine , it is not important how much stories you bring , the truth speak itself , israel is a colonizer country that came to colonize palestine , and take the land , and to kill its people in a genocide , just , just .. nothing more ..
You can lie as much as you want but arab muslims and European empires colonised Israel first and were expelled by the true owners of the land, the jewish people.
@@jackson5603 you have no idea that palestinians are the offspring of the old jews in palestine, we were jews then converted into christianity then islam.... and we are muslims, but you are an european jews, your ethnicity is from europe, there is palestinian jews and they are palestinians, the ones who did not convert into islam, but you are european, you have been expelled from your own countries, and you came to palestine as refugees, we welcomed you but you replay with this welcoming by killing and stealing ... you should blame your countries who abandoned you because you are jews, we did not abandoned our jews' palestinians, but europe did !!! think again about your history and your place in it !
There's a big mistake in this video. There never was an ancient "Palestine" or "Palestinian". The area in question was known by Arabs as Southern Syria.
So inaccurate. Before Judea was taken the other kingdom of Israel was destroyed and those Jews were and are lost to history, Later after the return the Persians had the land as sort of province hence the Jews of Elephantine a jewish garrison serving the Persian empire. Elephantine is in Nile river. When the temple was destroyed by Romans the majority of Jews lived outside of Judea. For example Saul, later Paul, lives out side of Judea.
People who are Jews today have no DNA relation to Abraham, Isaac or Jacob . They don’t even have a DNA connection to the Israelites. God gives and takes away. I wish no harm on the modern state of Israel but videos like these are lies.
What about the account of the king that told those peoples who were basically Satanist to pick a religion or the king would bring his military might upon them so they picked Judaism. And are Jews also Hebrews? Because the kid talks about their people as if they are all the same but in Ethiopia, there are a huge amount of people that are actually in hebrews from ancient times. What about them? I digress what about in the Bible I thought the Jews lived in Egypt for a long time than who was living in Jerusalem. At that time it would stand to reason that they are from the region. All questions I like answers to.
very specific way to choose the words and the way of the narratives... thankfully there are other sources and books and docs and articles...and especially documented news and facts
Palestinians already have their own state, don't they? It's called Jordan or Syria..or Egypt...or Lebanon etc. I mean... aren't they , the exact same people? Aren't they, all Arabs? Why is it so tragic to accept the fact that a ridicoulously tiny, narrow land has become a Jewish state? (I'm not Jewish)
Calling all Arabs the same is a complicated issue. I'm only part Palestinian but what you're saying is equivalent to saying Mexicans are the same as Colombians or the same as any other mixed Latin American country. Basically Arabic is a common language and culture throughout the region but there's hundreds of indigenous people who got assimilated into that culture. Ie my Palestinian ancestors were guaranteed to have been there at the same time as my Jewish ancestors and therefore have at least as much a right to their land as Jewish people. Besides it's a holy land to them also and they're not even all Muslim like my relatives are all Christians from Bethlehem, a place that's now been heavily colonized.
@@monalisa8638 "indigenous people who got assimilated into that culture" lol, you mean destroyed and colonized by the Arabs? I don't think Kurds, Copts, Berbers, Assyrians, Jews, Arameans, Chaldeans, Yazidis, and Persians would say everything was peaceful; if it wasn't for the Arab and Islamic conquests, you would probably still be Jewish up to this day.
@@monalisa8638 That comparison makes no sense. While people from Colombia and Mexico comes from a variety of diffrent countries, Arabs on the other hand all comes from one place.
@@ducknwater3016 Nah man that's untrue. Following the birth of Islam there was a series of conquests throughout the Middle East, transplanting millions of Arabs throughout and their descendants intermingling with local populations. Conquest, intermingling, religious conversion... it's a pretty apt analogy to Latin America (at least in the sociocultural sense not really politically or economically)
@jin gu I never said pan Arabist wasn't colonialism (it very much is for the reasons you outlined) and I'm not pure arab at all I'm actually mixed Latin American lol so it's not me you should be angry with. And yeah! Palestinian wasn't necessary as an identity because in the Ottoman days we were just people who spoke Arabic in X department. No disagreements there
Talk about changing the narrative. Zero Jews until the 40s though. What about actions towards the peeps that were already there..you know what.. nevermind I mean the stuff in the bible like ...didnt happen so how can you base a real life claim on stuff that comes from a story, fable or tale. Idk
@Ahmed most native Americans died and those who didn’t probably mixed with Europeans, Mexicans have a decent amount of Aztec and Peruvians have a descent amount of Incan for example
Just look at the map of the Middle East and North Africa. It does who the lands of the Kurds, Assyrians, Chaldeans, Berbers, and Copts have been colonized by Arabs. Why is it so hard to see?
@@Justin-df9ev whos here talking about race? im pointing out human rights being colonized from an outside group of people that came with boats just because of a devine book says so. hello, for that reasoning, i can also create a book make it devine and use that excuse to justify my rights to take peoples land then? just because my devine book God says so then by that logic? This people that came, with an agenda of secularism in mind. They came to colonize with making religion being used as a tool of defense. zionism isnt judaism. Judaism is against zionist. zionist is against messiah. excile until messiah comes. people of excile come back with Messiah with peace , no blood shed is needed since truth is shown. is a smooth transition not like this.I
You forgot to mention, 1. Some of the Palestinians families were Jews stayed in the Holy land, and some became Christians and Muslims, so called Arab Jews or Palestinians that being killed and abused by Zionists are our ancestors. 2. Every time we Jews were Victimized in Europe we ran for Refuge in Arab countries or in Turkey, many Jews lived in Peace for 1000s of years under Muslim Controlled countries. 3. Unlike Europe 1000 year negativity to Jews, in Arabia Negative feeling for Jews started when Evil Zionists hijacked Judaism
Jews are jews and not moslema or christians in 70DC part of the jews foowed Christ and so started the Christianity, but the maggiority of the jews did keep rheir religion and identity, the Islam came to world later in 980-1200DC ,
No, Arabian negative feelings of Jews has always been there. You attacked Jews for no reason, Jews didn't even settle near you, expect for the few Jews who had been in Jerusalem since the 1400s. Islamic middle Eastern countries have always discriminated against Non-muslims and often
I think the total lack of any non-Jewish voices or representation in your funding says more about your bias here than even the propaganda piece itself. As a Jew, I saw what a sham this was by the :47 mark. Well done for blatant lying.
So where is your outrage on Armenians and how the Turks and Azerbaijanis have stolen their original land from them? Save the same energy for Erdogan and Aliyev lmao
Quick question though, I always learned that Herzl could care less where the Jew located just as long as they were free from persecution. Didn't he have talks about Madagascar and Uganda or something? So is that intentional that we never mention that part of our history that we just go avoid it or am i wrong or misunderstanding? Thank you for any answers.
@@saintpeter9624 With due respect that is not a good answer. It was proposed to develop a homeland in 1903 (proposed vs. talked about). I am looking for a more developed answer since I am getting confused. Herzl was not a hero (from what i learned) he started a movement not a yearning for Israel, that has always been there. He was a completely secular Jew and has no Jewish (orthodox standards) descendents. So I am curious why we as Jew never talk about Herzl in a more critical light, of the fact that the land did not seem to mean much to him just that there was a land for Jews. I am asking as a curious Jew. I love Israel so please do not try to paint me as a hater. Maybe i am wrong, but where is the proof i am?
@@Ezzpuffs Herzel Had Supported Many Lands; Land of Israel (Palestine), Uganda/Kenya, Argentina... His Goal wasn't to get the Jews to Israel, but to get the Jews a State for them to be Free and Safe in, free from The Long Prosecution they have been living with for 2000 Years. There were many of those who had Opposed his proposals for Places that were not Israel, and that Opposition even lead to some Jews to Make Aliyah to the Land of Israel, to Prove Herzel Wrong. This is around the Times of the 1st and 2nd Aliyot (Aliyot=Plural for Aliyah)
Scary to see these kids with that level on entitlement! They think they have a right to take land that does not belong to them. Sorry, but the Palestinians have already been there for generations! You should have learned that in Prep school or the Yeshiva's!
but can someone please explain why you still have entitlement to the land if you were gone for so many 100s of years?? its like first people asking for their land in America or Australia back ... its not fair to the people currently living there despite all the atrocities committed against them previously
But what a lot of people do not understand is not that we just threw them away, divided the territory into two equal parts some Arabs and some Jews, the Arabs resisted and started wars to conquer the territory again, we would live in peace now if they just did not start wars they lost. That it was not at all their territory and it was at all the territory of the British it also people do not understand
“I’m leaving this mess” exactly what the British did
If only we could have kept that mindset
So just get rid of the people who already exist and live there, right? Because it’s your ancestral home? What kind of logic is that? WTF
You should watch the video again. And watch our other videos - like Did Israel Expel Palestinians? ua-cam.com/video/jB6IhmHYzWs/v-deo.html and Did Israel Take Over Palestine? ua-cam.com/video/0BasXaiHiiI/v-deo.html and What Happened in 1948? ua-cam.com/video/nq-emTGIgaI/v-deo.html Let us know if you want any more recommendations on videos to watch to understand the history, reality, and logic of this conflict
by the way you just delete " Did Israel Expel Palestinians? " right ? @@UNPACKED
@@davidgibson3631 Sorry wrong link: ua-cam.com/video/jB6IhmHYzWs/v-deo.html Thank you for catching it!!
We all know what this logic is, its peoplecide, there is no whitewashing it.
It's more complicated than a 8 min piece from a centrist Jewish perspective can offer. It doesn't mention how it was primarily the Sephardic and ashkenazi populations who suffered persecution by Christians, it doesn't mention that evangelical Christians are in support of Israel due to their own strange biblical prophecies, it doesn't mention how unnecessarily brutal the process of Israeli history has been towards the surrounding areas like the near total control they hold over Gaza's major resources, it doesn't mention the religious criticisms of Zionism within Judaism, it doesn't mention the fact that other people have been exiled from the exact same region many times over even within the past century like my own Christian Palestinian ancestors from Bethlehem (yet I do not have the same right to return there as a mixed Latin American because that right is a privilege only shared among Jews due to the doctrine of Zionism), it doesn't mention the modern perspective of archeology wherein Jews emerged as a monotheistic culture from the cultural backdrop of polytheistic Canaan rather than the small family perspective given in the Bible.
That's not to say I don't respect Jews and the perspective that they need the protection of a state but it's so much more complicated than what this video offers and frankly among oppressed groups Jews are relatively well off. Again that's not to say like pogroms and Holocaust were not beyond horrible but that today Jews are a privileged oppressed people who have the power and influence to create and maintain a state, unlike say Romani (gypsy) people who remain in exile or Mayan people who were being massacred through the 80s and 90s or African people in the Americas who were forcibly displaced and now don't have any one homeland they can name and return to.
Also this is off track to my point but the philistines didn't disappear lol they'd assimilated with the local Canaanite population. Idk man so much of the history here avoided any nuance and that irks me
There is no such thing as a "privileged oppressed people" for starters. That is literally an oxymoron. You cannot be oppressed and privileged at the same time. If one is privileged, one is not oppressed. There is NO privilege in oppression. African's in America don't need a place to go back too because they ARE American and are not viewed as a separate entity by the majority of Americans. Are there still racists? Yes but there are racists literally in every part of the world unfortunately but the majority of Americans are NOT racist and view African Americans as AMERICANS. Jews have been and continue to be the most oppressed group of people and if you look back at history you'll see that they have been displaced many times over. The holocaust was real and even if you don't take the holocaust into account, there is no denying that jews have been persecuted for a VERY long time in MANY different regions of the world. The Palestinians deserve to live in harmony alongside the jews but it's a shame that their government is run by a terrorist organization. I don't agree with Israeli policies forcing Palestinians out of their homes and that absolutely needs to change but to say Jews are not an oppressed people is just ignorant. I pray for peace for BOTH sides and hope they will one day be able to live together in harmony.
@@valenlevalenle6394 it was a conscious choice to use that phrase lol basically the point is you can hold power over other people while also having power held over you.
Historically Jews have had power wielded against them many times over but now the state of Israel (not Jews as a whole but rather the government entity of Israel) holds much power over Canaan and are responsible for displacing Palestinians (over the first nakba in the 1940s and then as currently is going on over decades) and then by continuing the blockade of Gaza. This continuing hostility over so many decades itself is what's pushing Palestinians towards more hardline groups like Hamas rather than the more centrist Fatah and the PLO. The fact is that the Likud government is causing active harm to any possibilities of peace via the mindset that any threat, no matter how small, is the grounds on which another Holocaust could happen. In doing so they deny the responsibility they hold to millions of Palestinians, whose land their state encircles many times over; and in the West Bank, whose government PLO is looking unstable. Within a few years the West Bank will all be Israeli land and the Palestinians there would be stateless if their current citizenship situation would stand. That's not exactly a "both sides" situation by any means and I honestly think it's dumb to exclaim that Jews are the most oppressed group of people worldwide when there's multiple people groups being genocided as we speak.
As a Jew, I wholly support the right for Palestinians to return to Israel proper. It remains to be seen whether or not Israeli society in general will come to support it as well. I'm cynical about it, but I think Israel has nothing to lose from becoming more ethnically and religiously diverse. It's not like other ethnic groups are incapable of coexisting with Jews or supporting their right to sovereignty.
And when did this Christian persecution of “ Ashkenazi and Sephardic “ people happen? Because there is also the reverse that’s happened in history. Neither is ok but don’t pretend you are the only victims. It’s getting old.
@@gizmomogwai2434 what? 1) I'm not Jewish, I said as much right there in my comment. 2) Ashkenazi and Sephardi are hebrew names for two branches of the Jewish diaspora that were in Europe. Ashkenazi for the ones who went to central and Eastern Europe and Sephardi for the ones who went to Spain. 3) I never said Christian's haven't been persecuted, in fact most of the people affected here in what I'm talking about has little to do with Christians in Israel/Palestine. 4) I'm not a victim. Jews who died in holocaust, Palestinians who are dying in the Nakbas very much are. I'm just trying to say that forced displacement, coloniality, and the perpetual threat of state violence are never okay. Do you think they're okay?
Israel threw out the British colonist
The same thing happened to my country. The Dutch colonists expelled the British colonists.
@@senantiasa What's your point? how is it related to this conflict?
@@roei89 it’s the same scenario that’s his point .
And the US threw out the Russians in Alaska to do what? Oh yeah exploit the local native population and used things like God to justify this under manifest destiny. Israel is an Apartheid ethno state. Support jews people not Zionism or Israel and if you think the state IS the Jewish people you are sick ultra nationalist.
@@roei89 meaning Jews act like they are the only persecuted ones and always use it to push for their control over others.
By the zionist logic, i should be heading to africa because home sapiens evolved there.
THIS!!!! lmao!
Nom you shouldn’t
Scientist predicted that everyone has become so interracial that there will not be a single full blooded race in the whole world
I think that's why mom would get mad when you brought home someone new 🙂
I mean...look at whats happening in south Africa
Except that ignores the fact that jews has a continued presence in the region even after the Roman era and for hundreds of years predating islam. Likewise it ignores that most Palestinians left the area in the 40s not due to expulsion but because their leaders told them to leave. The ones that remained are still there living as 20% of the Israeli population.
Short answer: yes.
Recolonization of an area of land that used to be yours is still a form of colonization
That's literally the definition of indigenization. Try making that argument about any other indigenous people and think about how dumb it sounds.
@@rachaelschwartz8664 but how long does indigenousness last? The celts were indigenous to the whole of the European Continent before they were driven out by the franks and isolated on the island of Ireland. If the Republic of Ireland conquered France and started settling their population in the conquered land, it wouldn’t be “celts returning to their Celtic homeland”, it would be Ireland colonizing France. The fact that the territory was Celtic at one point doesn’t make it any less colonial.
@@Dreamingofivoryart Maybe because all of Israel is a Jewish archeological site dating from at least 3000 years ago to the present... and Arabs only colonized Israel in the 7th century...
@@TheMikerophone the difference is two fold; firstly, there has always remained a Jewish population in the land of modern Israel, unlike the celts and mainland Europe. And the Jews have always considered Israel their homeland, and included the return to it in many of their traditions and prays - which the celts have not.
Secondly, the Jews didn’t conquer Israel, they legally immigrated back to their homeland.
There is literally nothing stopping Celtic people legally moving back to their historical homeland in mainland Europe.
Especially since Ireland is still part of the EU. Every single Irish person could literally pick up sticks and move to France if they wanted. But now they feel more of a connection with their British territories, so they don’t
@@CaptainTodger69" legally migrated" by using Ottoman and British laws both of whom are colonizers without any input from local folk.
Theodore Herzl literally referred to his plans as "something colonial" in a letter to Cecil Rhodes (the guy who founded the white supremacist colony of Rhodesia) where he asked him for help in the endeavour.
Amen! 100%,all the facts are there it’s just people are too lazy to look it up or live in their own bubble
Not only herzl many other early Zionists were pretty open about it. Because at that time colonialism was not a bad thing. It was considered good thing. It was only after Colonialism got a bad reputation that Zionist started to say we are not colonizers.
@@firstnamelastname6976jabotinsky come to mind
@@firstnamelastname6976colonization became a bad thing because the ussr said it was.
Yacob you are stealing my house, if I dont steal it someone else will
Yes!!! I could never forget that video! How do you steal someone’s land and say we suffered/deserve to STEAL/kILL to get it back!
Make it make sense
If you go on vacation can I move into your house and claim it as mine?
I guess you would be happy when some jews would be sent to Europe where white Europeans could finish what they started right?
A European Christian move into Native American land and it's called immigration. All is fine, nothing to see here.
That is exactly what Zionism is. 😅
Carbon copy of Colonialism.
It's not just colonialism, it's settler colonialism. The most abhorrent, illegal, racist, ethnosupremacist, apartheid form. It's founders were EXPLICIT about this. Read the documents for yourself. They were proud of it.
It's true David Ben-Gurion, has it all over his speeches and writings. Yet Zionists still are stuck on that claim, of it being some decolonization movement which is just ridiculous at this point.
Can someone answer me this, why did the brits allow jewish inmigration to plalestine after WW1 ? also how did the Israel State came to be in 1948
It's not theirs to allow since that is the homeland of the Jewish people
An attack against ottoman empire.
because of the lord Balfour statement and in 1947 the two state solution passed in the un and israel accepted and made a country following the plan borders israel has spread to her now borders after the arabs start a war with israel and israel won bigtime.
@@adamburg7039 yeah but why though ?
@@joaco4ever11 because that the zionists convince him to support the movement
If Zionism is Colonialism , that suggests any other National movement is Colonialist .Italian Unification , Scottish independence .
And if you claim that Jews have no previous history in the Land of Israel (They literally share a name) despite cultural , historical , religious and archeological evidence of native existence there for 3200 years , that suggests no actual Ethnicity deserves to live in their native land since they such a comparatively short history there and less of a religious , cultural and historical connection to it .
@bahram bassiri What history do Palestinians have with the Land of Israel ? .
As Palestinian was only a geographical area named by a Roman Hadrian in 135AD. The land was not stolen from Arabs who did not own it. The major landowners were the Turks, the Ottomans. Your claim is a conflicting narrative.
You are the only invented "people" whose anthem is:
WE STARTED THE WARS.
WE LOST THE WARS.
WE ARE THE VICTIMS WHO LIE.
@@avirose194 I am confused over who you are talking to .
Gods not real. Anyone under the belief otherwise needs to be put in psychiatric care
Its still colonialism. "My religion says its mine" or "my ancestors were there a thousand years ago" (Palestinians are also the ancestors of Jews) are not reasons to create a new state on other peoples land. I'm not saying they should pack up their things and leave, but if everyone else followed that logic the entire world would be in forever wars and be just as f'd up as Israel/Palestine is now.
If I take a dna test and find out I am ancient Etruscan and I want to set up a state in Italy that worships the Flying Spaghetti Monster that doesn't mean I can or should.
I'm going to borrow that last frase there cause it encapsulates perfectly my sentiments on the matter
So by your logic Palestinians and Muslims have zero claims to having their own countries.
PR team literally made this video as Palestinian children were being bombed in Gaza, quick and efficient work I will say
There are no Palestinian children being bombed in Gaza. The areas bombed in Gaza are the areas thst shot 4400 rockets at Israel.,if there are casualties.,that is awful except war has casualties
Israel only shoots at Gaza when shot at.
They weren’t bombing children they were bombing members of a radical terrorist organization
wait wait wait..... the Romans have been gone what 1500 years?? I'm Italian literally Roman blood in my veins. do I get to make a grievance against the Celts or the the Carthaginians or the Germanics? wtf is this nonsense?
It was really nice to hear you acknowledging the Palestinian identity. But zionism in israel today and since 1948 is cultural ethnic domination and expansions to the Palestinian Territories
But which Palestinian Territories are you talking about, border-wise? Many forget that Jordan and Egypt annexed the West Bank and Gaza Strip, respectfully, and ruled from 1949-1967.
The Mandate for Palestine was literally created to build a Jewish State. This was decided by the precursor to the UN called the League of Nations. Almost every middleastern country was created through the same mandate system after WW1. Look up British Mandate for Palestine.
Don’t forget that Palestinians was a word created by the Roman Empire. It doesn’t mean a nationality of any kind of people.
@@rennyskiathitis8178 why can't Britain donate it's own territory to Jews instead of some colonial possession?
@@rajashashankgutta4334bc that would also be “colonialism”
Definitely one way to put the narrative. I would recommend evreyone view two or three more versions of the history.
That's what you should be doing anyway right? The world is perspective of one, history is a perspective of a group. To get the full story of anything you need to collect all perspectives and in theory you arrive at a middle ground. But what passes as a "good" perspective gets worse by the day. SUMMARY: multiple sources=great idea
More like a version that isn't rewritten
Nothing wrong with viewing multiple perspectives. I think jewish people have a right to present their version of history along with their opinions as does palestine and those surrounding them. The truth is always somewhere in the middle
To me my opinion, this logic is flawed. You could talk about land like this for many many different kinds of peoples with this logic native America should go back to Native Americans. South America should go back to the Mayans. Britain should go back to the indigenous tribes before the Romans changed it forever. Canada, Australia, many places in Africa. And so on should all land go back to indigenous people. Then where would you put all the leftover people considering there is more likely 7 1/2 billion more people now, then at any point in ancient history.
What about persecuted Native Americans? How come that’s never a topic
HINDUS were always friendly to Jews people . Love from INDIA 🇮🇳🇮🇳
I'm a Jew and I love Hindu's :)
We are friend to peace , nonviolence and co-operation , We are friend to all religion not only jew but with this murderous zionist cult which had blood of innocent palestinian we can never be friend . Love from INDIA
@@algreen9592 Yes Palestine are as innocent as pakistani
@@arkaprava2561 you too
@@arkaprava2561 They are as innocent as our hindu brother in pakistan .
Reclaiming your homeland is not colonialism. Islam which has taken 50 countries by force is!
@Starhopper Marshall Teach is the one that knows a little history but not the rest.
Strange how that they don't know how to do math. Out of approximately 800 ARAB (NOT PALESTINIANS) who escaped to the West Bank (JUDEA AND SAMARIA, EAST JERUSULEM AND GAZA), the numbers of Arabs aka 1964 Palestinian number 6 million or more.
2 million live under the harsh, corrupt Islamic Satanic forces called Hamas.
2 million live under the corrupt, stubborn and clown Mahmoud Abbas, so rich, he can reject a homeland for the Arabs living under his corrupt control.
2 million live as full Israeli citizens with rights to health and social services; are members of the Israeli parliament, are Judges in the Supreme Court, businessmen, attorneys, pharmacists, heads of major hospitals and more.
One would define genocide by the number declining.
How do you define genocide when the numbers increase?
Taking a wild guess here...you don't really know the facts or history...you are grabbing at straws and praying that you don't drown in the swamp.
I can recommend excellent reading material if you want to be educated so that you can post knowledgeably on this subject.
I would be interested to know exactly what you know about the Gaza conflict.
At the same time try and educate me about this West Bank (JUDEA AND SAMARIA) thingy...
Please enlighten me about Arab aka Palestinian claims to Jerusalem.
Thanks so much.
@Marshall Teach
Story story!
You do realize the Jews conquered Palestine originally right ?
NO. IT IS NOT COLONIALISM ! zionism is the term of a return to the TRUE homeland of the jews. colonialism is a definition for an empire who conquers a populated area of people or a country that is not a part of its territory for example: The ottoman empire, The brits, The romans etc...
None of the Jews there today come from the Jews that were there in the past
They were cut off from water, electricity, and food. They were slowly dying
No one helps or protects them
How difficult it is for your entire family to die under bombing and for you to carry them in pieces😢
🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🫂💗Please understand their situation and research more before judging. I am speaking to you as a human being, so do not kill a child unintentionally.
How would you feel about the Chinese??
@@NirtyDigger5that was random, care to elaborate?
@@cabdixakim8665 Idk. I'm an alcoholic. I am completely alone I just like vamping and testing folks. I'll sober up in the morning and come back to this. And I'll be able to answer you with a clear head.
@@NirtyDigger5 sure
@@cabdixakim8665 Other than That man. You chillin?
Even though before political zionism there was only a minority of jews in israel. The ones came later came legaly, bought land legaly, as the local sovereignty of the Turks and British allowed. And there was no talk of any Palestinines, there were just jews and arabs. The "Palestinian people" idea was invented in the 60s in an atempt to subvert israeli arabs though it backfired compleatly in events like black september and the cause that led to lebanon civil war
It was legal in the same sense as slavery in the US was legal - simply because powerful people and institutions decided that it was. The "legality" in those times had nothing to do with human and civic rights and democratic rule that we rightfully take for granted these days.
At no point the native population of Palestine, that was close to 95% Arab at the onset of Zionism, agreed to or accepted any kind of foreign Zionist rule on the land they had been living on for centuries and had real, not historical/religious/ideological, ties with. The Zionist project expanded contrary to their wishes and against any basic democratic principles. If instead of colonial powers deciding the fate of the land in 1947 it were to be decided by its residents democratically - there would be no Israel today. So yes, in simple words, Israel is indeed a colonial entity that caused (and still does to this day) immense suffering to the native population of Palestine.
@@evgenetic3479
and it was the same "powerful people and institutions" that brot arabs to the region in the first place just different day. that's why the Arabs in 70 years ago just wanted Israel to be carved up by Egypt Jordan and Syria. as the local Arab have no intent of improving the poor and resources less land like us and just wanted the richer Arab countries to curry them.
and ohhh cause so much "immense suffering to the native population of Palestine." that right now these Arabs are the richest Arabs out side the Persian gulf. stop making a victims out of your self it is this victim narrative that led to the Arabs uncompromising narrative on the subject of peace and is the reason why there is no Arab/Palestinian state in the first place. all the way back from 1937 when the Peel Commission of the British wanted to divide the region according to the population at least % wise when the Jews will get only 20%. and like always the Jews accepted it and the Arabs rejected it like any solution that doesn't make us Jews wind up the sea.
so you can continue to reject it and the balance of power and demographics will continue to tilt toward our direction. as even the Arab nations got tired of you.
@@nicbahtin4774
The British or Ottoman empires brought Arabs to the region? Now that's a load of nonsense. The Palestinians living in Gaza and refugee camps are the "the richest Arabs out side the Persian gulf"? That's an even bigger load of nonsense.
"British wanted to divide the region " - now that's the core issue with you view - the land did not belong to the British! It belonged to the people who lived there, and as I said before they were completely against Zionist migrations and attempts to form an Jewish supremacist state in the region. If you consider yourself a democrat you should clearly see a major issue with a foreign state, Britain, occupying land and giving off chunks of it to other people for political reasons whilst completely ignoring the wishes of native population.
Regarding what happened 70 years ago - naturally the native Arab population wanted to protect themselves against Zionist invasions from Europe who wanted to form a Jewish supremacist state in the land, eventually the Zionists succeeded with the help of mass expulsions of native population. What other Arab countries did and what were their goals is irrelevant, from the point of view the Arab Palestinians they simply wanted to get all the help they could get given the fact the Zionists were supported by the most powerful countries in the world back then.
@@evgenetic3479
I talked about the older arab empires.
@@evgenetic3479
Gaza isn't part of israel for 15 years no IDF or jews there. The state of Gaza is Hamas's failure. Not that i expect them or you to own up to that.
Free Palestine 🇵🇸❤
They’ve had 5 opportunities to sign a peace agreement after losing all the wars that they started. 1948, 1967, 1969, 1973, and 1982 are all examples.
Palestine sheltered Hamas, the only way to destroy Hamas is to topple the Palestinian regime. They fucked around, now they’re finding out. The unfortunate side effect of war is collateral.
Palestine has rejected five separate proposals for statehood
@@Jarfillerwhy would they sign a proposal for statehood that only gives them back a portion of their own land. That’s like stealing from someone than asking them to share when they get mad
@@Friendlyneighborhoodgarbagebin Precisely
This land has never been theirs, there has never been palestinian country,state or rule in history@@Friendlyneighborhoodgarbagebin
PROPAGANDA
Seems like a very one sided perspective
Evidence???
It is zionist propaganda. Straight up zionist B.S.
This is a zionist propaganda channel, of course it's one sided.
Theodore Hertzel: its free real estate.
This video confirms that zionism is colonialism because the greatest colonialists of them all gave Palestinian land that they had colonialised to people who were happy to take over stolen property or property of those who were forced to flee because of zionist terrorism ultimately caused by the colonialists. Pure evil, both of them
Palestine needs to take those lands back
@@user-br5xc7vj9j yes, and give it back to the ortodox christians, real owners.
@@diegoalbertoramirezhernand9985 well jews christian muslim are welcomed in palestine
@@diegoalbertoramirezhernand9985 bruh youre unintelligent israel is occupying palestine lands
Israel. The only country in the world that even talking about it could possibly make it worse.
After seeing lots of content about Israel is racist, homophobic, an apartheid state, a terrorist country. I love this kind of content providing a different perspective on the palestine-israel conflict, keep uploading clear and honest educational video please
@NorthWind well thats just your opinion
Lmao sure...just the tone of her voice tells you her views already haha
Its propaganda.
This video confirms that zionism is colonialism because the greatest colonialists of them all gave Palestinian land that they had colonialised to people who were happy to take over stolen property or property of those who were forced to flee because of zionist terrorism ultimately caused by the colonialists. Pure evil, both of them
@@nathenhamden the land was not colonized. It was won by war from the ottoman empire
Jews say they are chosen ...so what about failed Austrian painters ?
Yes, undoubtedly zionism is colonialism. However, that implies colonialism is a bad thing
Modern day Jews = not related to ancient Jews
Palestinans = predominantly muslim and christians whose ancestors were arabized, with a small Samaritan community proving that all Palestinians are natives, since they look exactly the same like Pali Muslims and Christians
Zionism is in fact colonialism :-)
the dna tests show that they are both mostly native and related to each other.
Some elements of non native blood because arabia is not in the levant in the "palestinans" and some non native blood (european, persian, etc) in the "jews". But both have levantine blood
DNA studies show the Modern Jews still show 50% of Canaanite DNA the Canaanites were assimilated into the Israelites about 3000 years ago
There are genetic differences based on religion, the Christians are different genetically than Muslims.
Not all Palestinians are native, many calling themselves as Palestinian come from other lands
If you need to create your state by expelling hundreds of thousands of people already living there, then that is colonialism. The colonialist nature of Israel also explains Israel's hostility to other indigenous groups such as Armenians and black southern Africans (Israel was a fierce supporter of apartheid South Africa and Rhodesia).
Although israel wasn’t as strong in its opposition to apartheid South Africa relative to other nations during the late era of its existence (after 67) it wasn’t a “fierce supporter “ of apartheid South Africa. They were economically isolated and hated by most of MENA and Africa after 67. I’m strongly against apartheid South Africa along with many Israelis (a majority who would be considered mixed or black in South Africa) but to conflate their horrible economic situation with a “fierce supporting” is stupid. Also, calling the West Bank and occupation or even an apartheid occupation makes sense but calling all of Israel is plain stupif
Stupid*
Also you would be surprised that Israelis are very supportive of other ethnic groups without a nation on their homelands (Kurds for example)
Israeli-Armenian ties are also not to do with Israelis “hostility” to other indigenous groups but to do with international relations and that each country are on opposing sides of the middle eastern Cold War going on rn
Interesting you creat facts for your self because truth does not support your statement. You are a liar or you don't know what you're talking about. Israelis and Jewish people care for the Armenian it was Ottoman Turks (ruled by Muslim Turks headed by the sultanate of the Osmanli/Ottoman dynasty) which committed the first genocide of 20 th century against the Aremenian's. Many Holocaust museums pay respect to Aremenina genocide victims. In 1982, Yad Vashem ( Israel Holocoust Museum ) sponsored the International Conference on Holocaust and Genocide, which included six presentations on the Armenian genocide. However, it later withdrew from the conference after threats by the Turkish government that Jewish lives in Turkey, would be put in danger if the conference went ahead. In regards to South Africa,"I cannot conceive of Israel withdrawing if Arab states do not recognize Israel within secure borders.” Nelson Mandela. In addition, Nelson Mandela refused to open an office in Libya because Libyan leader, Muammar Gaddafi would not allow Jew's working in ANC to work in Libya (racism=Apartheid)
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Let us not refer to a land in the middle east by it's Greek name, it just does not make sense. Jehuda and Shomron or IsrEl is way more suiting. All people who think this land should only be arabic please tell me when was the last tame an independent arabic country by the name of palestine ever existed there.
I as an Israeli have no problem with Palestinian nationalism and think that israel must return some land for peace to happen (like we did in the past with egypt) but our dear neighbours must understand that we are here we are at home and they have to accept that.
Frist of all egypt kicked you out and humiliated Europe in a war,
Secondly get back to Europe
Third thing is it was canaan
It's crazy if only hamas and supporters of palestine tried some sort of diplomatic solution that was non violent involving economics and intervention by major powers previously 🤔
yeah, like agreeing that staying on 20% of their own land was fair and final. But only if they agreed that Israel had rights to that 20% too. You mean that solution?
I think my takeaway is that empire is pretty much always bad (but it’s fun in video games okay???) and usually just leads to forced migrations and mass exterminations. Whoever invented empire should be put on trial for warcrimes or something like that.
Family is the foundation for empire. Good family values. Good value empire.
@@BeefZupreme
Perhaps, but I think it is difficult for an empire (or imperium? Not sure) to exist cross-generationally without being compromised by material or ideological drift/interests. Idk, there’s probably more nuance here.
If we’re considering the “Platonic” ideal of family, then maybe an empire could exist ethically or something, but it’s an intentionally unrealistic ideal (like utopia, for example).
If I’m using jargon-y terminology, please let me know. I can try to use analogy to explain some of these things that I think about this… 🤔
Without empires we would still be caveman.
@@GamingLover-xp8hc
Is it possible to have something resembling an "empire" that doesn't lead to mass human suffering?
Eh, you’re painting with too broad of brushes. Empires can be good AND bad. Sure they can lead to bad things like genocide and forced migrations, but they also lead to good such as innovation and protection. It’s like saying anything from religion to automobiles is “good” or “bad” the topics are far to broad and complex for such labels. Don’t think of it as good or bad. Just know that it is something that “is” and isn’t something we can be rid of. Doing otherwise is simply childish.
The claim of land that was potentially yours millennias ago is insane to me. What then of the people who prior to them? Would they then have a stronger claim?
Where are those people?
It’s interesting because the biblical narrative tells the story that the Hebrews were foreigners escaping slavery and actively displaced the native canaanites. Painting themselves essentially as conquerors. However! Genetic tests show across different Jewish ethnic groups, Israelis, and Palestinian Christian, Muslim, and Jews (Mizrahi) - they all are directly descended from canaanites / have Canaanite DNA markers to varying degrees. A genetic continuity.
Which is so weird bc the cultural narratives is that the proto-Israelites and Canaanites were totally separate, right?
The answer likely lies in the Bronze Age Collapse and major social upheavals afterward. Some Canaanites retreated into the mountains bc of so much coastal destruction and wars. Those people began to form a Israelite identity (slowly abandoning polytheistic pantheon toward worshipping a single God), due to whatever complicated social factors at the time. The idea that they were from “elsewhere” could have come from foreigners entering the land and “joining” the formerly Canaanite tribes, bringing their own narratives, such as escaping persecution from Egypt.
Pre-Collapse, Canaan was a vassal state under Egyptian subjugation, so the newly forming Israelites (who in 1200 BC weren’t so much a kingdom as loosely connected tribes with vaguely similar identity and cultural practices) would be keen to be free of that as well as separating themselves from other-god-worshipping city states and tribes, and would welcome outsiders who felt similarly perhaps.
Then flash forward 700ish years to the Babylonian exile and all these oral stories from different tribes and the different kingdoms are stitched to form a unified narrative and Jewish cultural identity. Definitely kernels of truth in it, but accuracy wildly varies
It’s absolutely fascinating, and extremely disappointing and horrifying that in the end that different parts of the narrative are used to justify displacement of people by claiming they’re the “true” inheritors of the land. When it has always been a diverse mix of people coming together and going apart. The genetics roughly stays the same, with various foreign influences ar different times from different empires, but the beliefs and languages are what seem to change.
But it wasnt just millennias ago. Jews had a continued presence even going back to the era right after Roman hundreds of years before Islam existed.
@@lumanate1493 that only applies to indigenous Jews & related people (not Eastern European colonialists) and plenty of the Palestinians who are Muslims likely have roots in the region going back just as far, it's often found in genetic studies that modern populations are closely related to ancient peoples (ex. Turks and Hungarians) even if they don't share the ancient peoples language or religion, people convert for convenience.
@@nSikandar firstly I am glad you brought up genetic studies because most of the Palestinian population according to multiple studies are ear identical to Jewish populations which suggests that likely Palestinians were jewish people who converted. And seeing how Judaism came way first… So the fact islam is even in the area suggest that they were technically the settler colonists.
Regardless though, there has never been a Palestinian state. The core jewish community that became Israel started off with 20000 indigenous jews and 80000 jews who legally moved there under Ottoman law. Likewise who legally bought land from Palestinians. So if this is colonialism then under your logic Chinatowns and little italy’s in the US are settler colonies.
Then after the ottomans under the Palestine mandate the land Jews lived on was further legitimized. (75% of the land went to Arabs)
Then during Nazi genocide more Jewish came to the Palestine mandate lands legally fleeing oppression.
Then after the war the UN approved two states. One Arab one Jewish. To which the arabs countries declared war. And lost.
Countries that are established are allowed to control immigration. Israel had a claim to become a country the second the Ottomans no longer controlled the region. At the very least as must as the arabs did (Jordan exists).
Most of the Palestinians who were displaced was a result of their leaders telling them to leave not Jewish people displacing them. The Palestinians that stayed are Israeli citizens and make up 20% of the population and were likely victims of Hamas’ attack. This is a case of more refugees than displacement.
Very bias video...
If Zionism is not colonialism then what do you call Israeli settlements on Palestinian lands
"Reality" (or "realty" since the conflict is about real estate). And for that, you can blame the Palestinian leadership for missing every opportunity to negotiate with Israel on the return of those lands. That Jared Kushner's 2020 proposal of returning only 70% of the West Bank fell far short of Ehud Barak's 2000 proposal of 97%, can be blamed on the short-sightedness of Yassir Arafat.
To your charge of colonialism: Historically, when the British partitioned the Mandate, they gerrymandered the territory -- the Jewish districts became Israel, the Arab ones, Palestine -- which explains the jigsaw puzzle-like appearance of the original pre-'48 maps. It also should be noted that the Jews at that time were living in lands that were legally purchased by Jewish organizations like Jewish National Fund (JNF). The Palestinian Arabs were either expelled during the war of '48 for abetting surrounding Arab countries whose armies invaded nascent Israel, or were not permitted back after fleeing from the Israelis who were proving to be victorious in repelling the invading Arab armies.
Just giving you historical perspective. Doubt my word? Just google it.
First you need to know the definition of "Palestinian lands", because "Palestine", as you've seen on the video, just means "Land of Israel". You can even see this on British currency and passports that they are the same things.
So, how do you call the behavior of a nation that lives in its homeland and builds buildings ?
Just natural living.
@@LiranBarsisa the international community including the uk recognizes the West Bank and Gaza as Palestinian lands so when Israel builds settlements on a another country’s that’s colonialism
Yes. Next question
No
Three palestine three palestine
This video repeatedly speaks of "Palestinians" during the 1920s, 30s and 40s. If you did a bit more research, you would know, that "Palestinians" were only concocted in 1964 around the time of the Beatles' third album.
that's common though, people often use modern terminology when the terminology used at the time isnt known among the general population: just look at the "byzantine empire" or "mycenean greeks". it doesnt help that among english speakers who were alive at the time there arent many alive at the time who knew about the issues going on in Palestine/Israel enough to know the correct terminology, they likely just called them "jews" and "muslims" or "arabs" without much knowledge of national or ethnic backgrounds of the groups, especially since antisemitism was still very prevalent among english speakers.
Seek more education
WHY SHOULD COLONIALISM BE an F-Word. As a fact since the beginning of times people have settled in other lands, had exchanges with others, mixed and new cultures emerged.
You clearly don’t know what colonialism means in this context
As a jew I call total BS. You people embarrass me.
When your sources are "According to the Bible" you need to keep that in church and not present it as Historical facts.
Well the Bible is one of the best documentations of the time period even if it may or may not have exaggerations
@@warcriminalgaming2359 I forgot how the Bible is such a well made document that it includes a planetary flood that has no evidence to support it at all and a god that contradicts itself most of the time. Not even mentioning how it was made like a century after Jesus’ supposed birth.
This video doesn’t dispel any rumors..it lightheartedly confirms them
It confirms that zionism is colonialism because the greatest colonialists of them all gave Palestinian land that they had colonialised to people who were happy to take over stolen property or property of those who were forced to flee because of zionist terrorism ultimately caused by the colonialists
@@nathenhamden It confirms nothing
Colonialism definition: the policy or practice of acquiring full or partial political control over another country, occupying it with settlers, and exploiting it economically.
Yet Palestine or the Arab land there was never an independent country and the Palestine nationality is new. The Israeli land is poor with barely any exploitable resources... How can this be defined as colonialism ? The sole reason Jews came to Israel is because of their history and religion identity that they kept for thousands of years. The Jews that came to Israel didn't come out of nowhere and suddenly want all of Israel for themselves while also exploiting resources that didn't exist... Ever since the exodus Jews have longed to go back to their homeland the land of Israel. It's their homeland, not some colony of Western civilization for European white supremacists, half of the Jews in Israel are Mizrahi, Jews from Arab/Muslim lands, Jews from Africa and Asia.
Moreover, in no way or form does it state to "decolonize" any Arabs on the way. The whole displacement of Palestinians is because of a war their grandparents started with the surrounding Arab nations. When more Jews came to Israel the nation was weak and in no way comparable to the power it has today yet people keep comparing the past of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict equivalent to the British colonizing the Americas. Palestinians started the Arab-Jewish civil war, they lost and in turn many got displaced, later the Arab nations invaded; more Palestinians got displaced (Jews too) but the Arab invading countries lost (Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Jordan) while also not allowing Palestinian refugees to assimilate in order to fuel the conflict even more, and here we are today.
@@nathenhamden it shows you didn't understand the video at all.
Jews in Israel is decolonization, Jews have a history that precedes that of the Arab conquest by thousands of years. Israel is the ONLY country in the world where the same nation of people, same religion, same land and same language are used as they were thousands of years ago.
Jews returning to Israel is also for the best as now Christians, Jews and Muslims have a freedom of religion in the land and a chance to pray in Jerusalem, something they didn't have under the Ottoman, British or Jordanians. Palestinians have a chance to build their own state for the first time as the Jordanians nor the Egyptians gave them the option before.
If the Palestinians were to go back to '48, there would be an ethnic cleansing of anyone not Muslim. Just look at the Christian community in Gaza and the West Bank dwindling while in Israel they are growing. Sharia laws would also be placed just like they are in Gaza and if people falling from airplanes in Afghanistan showed us something, it's that it's not a positive thing especially for non-Muslims.
@@LeeLe412 zionists terrorised the indigenous people and stole their land. You can't just go back somewhere 2000 years later and claim that you have come back to reclaim land in which your ancestors previously lived and uproot the residents who have been there for hundreds of years. It's contrary to property law and human rights. Period.
@@nathenhamden the Indigenous people of the land are the Jews who have had a consistent presence in the area since before the invention if Islam and are called "Jews" because they come from Judea, while Palestinians and didn't start calling themselves Palestinians until the 60's, before then "Palestinians" referred to Jews. There have always been Jews in the land, that's undisputable. Although it's true that there have been casualties to both sides and at this point the Palestinians are indigenous too, their governments (Hamas and PA) don't seem willing to compromise and just share the land, the only solution available, so that's on them.
Diplomacy and law didn't seem to sway their opinion, nor did wars they started:
the San Remo Resolution in 1920, Balfour Declaration, UN votes in 1947, legally purchased lands (from Palestinians too) and wars that were waged on Israel... Non seem to have worked, so you are welcomed to brainstorm.
And if you want to get into "terrorizing" than here are just a few examples of it:
1936-1939 Arab revolt in Palestine
1938 Tiberias massacre
1929 Hebron massacre
1929 Palestine riots
1921 Jaffa riots
1834 Safed pogrom
1517 Hebron attacks
1517 Safed attacks
Massacre during the First Jewish-Roman War 67 AD
Massacre during the Samaritan Revolt (36 AD)
If you have to wipe out an ethnic group's whole history by denying they are indigenous just to prove your point, it's not a point worth making and you are just hurting the Palestinian cause. You are also going against historical findings, scientific research, archeological proof, documents, coins, scrolls, tombs, Stone slabs, books etc.. there is so much evidence disproving your claim that you might as well say the earth is flat.
Instead of gaslighting Jews, how about trying to promote peace and actually help the Palestinians, not lie for them. In the end, you are just hurting everyone involved.
The whole concept of colonialism may have started with the fight to get that piece of land.
Not meant to be a gotcha question, but if you support giving Israel back to the Jews, would you also support giving all of the Yucatán back to the Maya? Or Constantinople and Ionia to the Greeks? If not, why not?
If the colonial empire occupying the land left, and the ancient indigenous people returned, bought land, developed land, agreed to share, and defended themselves in war, then sure!
@@UNPACKED Except that it wasn't the colonial empire "occupying" the land - it was the actual indigenous people who actually lived there. The colonial empire who 'owned' the land of the indigenous people did not actually stay there - and were not the ones who were displaced.
But let us work on a solution for today. How can Jews and Palestinians live together in your view? Are you going to give them their land back, right of return and stay side by side. Are you going to help them achieve that. Or is this all a publicity stunt and an eye-blind.
The Jewish people cannot gain their freedom at the expense of the Palestinian people. And lots of Jewish people recognise that.
You do know that a minimal number of Arabs lived on a minimal amount of land? And maybe you are not familiar with history but the land was ruled and owned by the British colonial empire (and before that the Ottoman colonial empire, and before that a whole series of colonial empires… all the way back to when the indigenous Jewish nation lived there!)
And here’s some idea of how Israel and Palestinians could live side by side: ua-cam.com/video/1kYWII25cxM/v-deo.htmlsi=kW9cVGehuJzMrqnh
Do you have any better ideas?
Straight propaganda.
It's not propaganda just because you don't like it lol
@@Justin-df9ev definitely propaganda using that same victim narrative to push for more brainwashing of people to serve Jews
@@Justin-df9evit’s bullshit since it ignores key works by jabotinsky and hertzel
There were other “kingdoms” (people) before establishing Jewish kingdom! I suppose their descendants should come and take back what’s rightfully theirs from both Palestinians and Jews??? People lived on land created by Allah for man to dwell on and so man dwelled…Jews, Arabs and any other nation one identifies with has the right to live in safety on any part of land Allah created as He Holds dominion over every speck of it! No Arab denies your existence nor your rights to worship but not at the expense of Palestinians. You could have migrated back and lived in peace without taking away the governance from Palestinians that already existed.
You expect Palestinians to live under your rule without any objections, though the same can’t be said for you, something you’re not willing to do living under their rule 🤔
The United States should end military aid to Israel
1. Israel can pay for its own military. Israel has a strong economy, an excellent international credit rating, and runs frequent budget surplus. Israel ran an annual surplus of more than a billion dollars six out of the last ten years.
2. Military aid to Israel is a security risk. Israel is a major supplier of military technology to China. These sales have been instrumental in the modernization of the Chinese military. Israel developed the Lavi fighter from American technology with 1.5 billion in American subsidies. Israel sold the Lavi fighter to China. It is now called the J-10 and is the mainstay of the Chinese Air Force. Israel has also sold China missile guidance systems,, advanced radar systems and targeting systems.
3. Israel is a diplomatic liability.
4. Military aid to Israel is illegal under the Leahy Law because of Israel's human rights violations. Any aid to Israel is illegal under the Symington amendment which prohibits aid to nations with nuclear weapons that have not signed the nuclear non-proliferation treaty and do not permit inspections of their nuclear sites
Yes. And it’s not more complicated. I promise the effect on Palestinians is that of being colonized. Whatever the intent is doesn’t factor in.
You dreamt of returning to Palestine and you did with the help of GB’s Balfour Declaration, who will help all the Palestinians refugees who also dream of returning to the land of their forefathers?🤔
Yes. It only took me 2 seconds to answer, not 8 minutes.
The Jewish desire to return to the homeland is grounded in a ethnocentric religious view. It's not a substantial excuse for displacing and oppressing thousands of people. A Jewish homeland, at the cost of what? Your souls?
Lots of shortcuts from the narrator and the person interviewed:
- clichés about Jews -> Jewish guilt and love for food (?)
- Western-centric opinions and views -> "the lands were conquered by nearly every empire", you're omitting a few empires here
2/5 stars, do not recommend.
In your explanation all Muslims has to go back to Saudi Arabia from every country
What joke
No because islam is not an ethno religion like judaism. If you check out a dna test of a jewish person it will show a jewish dna percentage
@@sarahchampion6654 some people convert to the religion as well so not necessarily.
@@janoyasser9519 no, almost no one converts to Judaism
@@sarahchampion6654Jews are Europeans
@@sarahchampion6654then why are there blacks is Israel
Torah: Thou shalt not steal.
Zionists: But if I don't steal it, someone else will steal it. So what is the problem?
Good thing muslims never conquered any country ever.
@@adamflamm4444 You must be proud of yourself., Who was behind all the killings of
the native Americans?
the Mayans?
the Aztecs ?
the Inca's ?
the Indians ?
the Australian aboriginals ?
the Africans?
The Vietnameses.. etc etc?
Remember it is only new history..
@@adamflamm4444 The British Empire? Spain? Portugal? Belgium?The U.S? What is your point?
@@Ishi79 based
Well done. Thank you for affirming the indigenous status of Jewish people in Israel. Is you all mention, I feel like that doesn’t get talked about enough.
Remaining story is in the Bible
Do slavic people all get to return to our ancient home lands. You have a “I’m special complex “.
@Ahmed good luck in trying to reclaim land from US.
Although it is very brief, it is very educational and puts the most relevant points on the spotlight. Great video!
It’s propaganda. Nothing more.
@@donaldducko6580
1) do you know what is a propaganda?
2) what interest does UPACK have by posting this video? It isnt getting paid by Israel, KKL or any other jewish organisation. It does not get paid by the zionist congress committee (or however they're called). They're not Israeli, those are American Jews who speak for themselves from what they know. There are some innacurecies in this video, like when the israeli war of independence began (it actually began as a civil war that later in may 1948 became a war of survival for the newborn jewish state).
If you have anything else to say please do, maybe you can elaborate on your statement.
This video confirms that zionism is colonialism because the greatest colonialists of them all gave Palestinian land that they had colonialised to people who were happy to take over stolen property or property of those who were forced to flee because of zionist terrorism ultimately caused by the colonialists. Pure evil, both of them
@@TheGrinbery they're literally paying to make this an ad, lmao
@@gavin-1237 i see you arent aware how youtube ads work arent you
If Zionism is colonialism, what is the mother country?
Many different countries. Like in every other colonial state.
@@pits.893 you understand it seems dumb?
@@pits.893 Like what country? What resources European countries gained from "colonizing" Judea?
@Keksi if so why does Poland not get any money
@@eretria-amorosa getting rid of the ottoman empire.
Many look at the whiteness level of many Jews and question the Jewish narrative that all of them descended from the Middle East.
The logic goes as follows: If Jews really inter-married with each other and had few converts from outside, the genetic makeup of Jewish society should be mainly Middle-Eastern / Arab, similar to how Egyptians, Syrians, Turks and Persians look like.
Instead, many Jews, especially those from America and Eastern Europe, display skin color akin to the caucus region. This can only be explained due to a relatively high level of conversion from the caucus / non-native region to Israel, at least in some areas. The claim that many Ashkenazi Jews say that they are direct descendants of the Middle East is therefore cast into doubt.
That is not to say this can outright deny all Jews claims to the land, but it does place a question mark on the makeup of over 50% of Jewish society. Even if there was direct lineage, can one say they belong to a land because their great great great great great great great great great great great great great grandfather was cast out of it?
There is also wide agreement that had it not been for Christian/European mistreatment of Jews in diaspora, most would still remain outside of Israel living their comfortable European lives.
The main reason so many came to Israel was because they were seeking a refuge. The idea of making their own state was not even a popular idea until all that persecution began to peak in the 1800s.
I'm of the opinion that was happened in the past should remain in the past. People need to move on with the times. As a result, I don't blame Jews for deciding to create a state in what was once their native land (or at the very least, the origin of their religion). That said, they also need to recognize that there is a large number of displaced Palestinians / Arabs who still live in now fully built cities made of refugee camps.
Whatever land they do still own often gets seized by the Israeli government on the basis of a religious Zionist will to complete full annexation, which goes against both the Balfour and UN declarations of a shared land between Jews and Arabs.
Since so much land was already taken by settlers, and local Palestinians have no real way to hold a sustainable state in the fractional and highly dispersed lands they have left, the only solution to their conflict is to absorb the local Palestinians into Israeli society and make them full fledged and equal electorate members in a single state.
This also means that Palestinians should have the same right travel across the country and buy land/property wherever they go. Anything else will amount to full fledged apartheid.
You are flat out wrong on so many issues. You decide based on skin tone who is Jewish and isn’t? Sound like a racist to me.
Wrong. a recently genetic research of jews from diaspora America,Europa middle east proved that all have the same chains of DNA.the history language archeology of the jews proved their linke to the land.Israel is a demo ratic state with equality of rights to all citizens,and it practice no Aphartheid.
Amusing, as it wasn't long ago that it was common in European anti-Semitic panphlets to pinpoint specific facial characterisitc upon what has been considered the typical Jewish Apearance, long noses and such. Features which coincedently are shared by other mid-easterners. So which is it?
Interstingly enough, recent development in DNA tracing technology relveals that European Jews have been found to be closest to mid-easterners among all Europeans.
The vast majority of Israelis aren’t white, but sure, go off
Sure except this bears 0% reflection to reality. Have you seen Ahed Tamimi? Linda Sarsour admitted to putting on a hijab bc otherwise she just looked like a white lady. As uncomfortable as it is for either to acknowledge, Jews and Palestinians are blatantly related. Also tell me you don’t understand anything about how colonization and forced displacement works. You think it was gd coincidence Judaism became matrilineal after the Romans invaded and exiled Jews? You think in 2k years of being in lands as the hated minority it’s remotely realistic to expect modern Jews to look like your (imaginary) version of how they used to look? Some of your sentences indicate the presence of the ability to think, it just seems turned off on others
I’m so sick of children telling people what they should and shouldn’t do. Literally keep your mouth shut and listen to your elders. Question, everything.
Gay white guy: we come from the Middle East😂😂😂😂
Canaanites and Kazarians
Ukraine 🇺🇦 supports Israel 🇮🇱
2 none-existing states
@@naghouj someone’s mad…😂
@@naghouj Loser
This video expresses the idea of Zionism through the perspective of an Israeli which is a valid perspective .
But it suggests that the idea of something is more important than the affect it has on its environment.
In reality affects are more important than ideas .
I wish that the the United States had encouraged and facilitate the the displaced jewish population to come to the United States.
There was plenty of room
And resources. It definitely would have not created endless conflicts. It would have greatly benefited the entire world
Actions speak Louder then Words
The problem is that Semitic Jews back then, and white Eastern Europeans, are not the same people coming home.
It’s just as well that the vast majority of Israelis are MENA. 20% are Arabs, and 50% are mizrahi jews who fled massacres and expulsions in other Arab countries.
That’s not even mentioning the Ethiopian Jews, but please do go on about how israel is full of European colonisers
It's brief but very informative. Keep it going.
This video confirms that zionism is colonialism because the greatest colonialists of them all gave Palestinian land that they had colonialised to people who were happy to take over stolen property or property of those who were forced to flee because of zionist terrorism ultimately caused by the colonialists. Pure evil, both of them
@@nathenhamden thank you!
Wikipedia's article about colonialism also fits zionist movement in israel
@@nathenhamden Those same people who were "forced to flee" are the same people that were expecting to teturn after the Jews blood would pain the sea red, and the last of them would all be dead....
Should also be mentioned the fact that those same arabs illegaly immigrated to the land, attacked innocent people, assassinated, assaulted and even burned them and their houses....
And above all that it was a war, these people supported the wrong side and as a consquances lost everything...
Tell me more about the "colonisation" please....
War is war, and those who gamble on it can lose...
the most important thing , is that it does not matter what type and amount of playful words and false twisted history or wrong slogans , or how much israel use the religion in its message to establish a country in palestine , all of this can not be an execuse or erase the fact , that they killed , demolish, steal , destroy thousands of houses and people in palestine , it is not important how much stories you bring , the truth speak itself , israel is a colonizer country that came to colonize palestine , and take the land , and to kill its people in a genocide , just , just .. nothing more ..
"genocide" in which the population multiples itself for decades lmao
You can lie as much as you want but arab muslims and European empires colonised Israel first and were expelled by the true owners of the land, the jewish people.
@@jackson5603 you have no idea that palestinians are the offspring of the old jews in palestine, we were jews then converted into christianity then islam.... and we are muslims, but you are an european jews, your ethnicity is from europe, there is palestinian jews and they are palestinians, the ones who did not convert into islam, but you are european, you have been expelled from your own countries, and you came to palestine as refugees, we welcomed you but you replay with this welcoming by killing and stealing ... you should blame your countries who abandoned you because you are jews, we did not abandoned our jews' palestinians, but europe did !!! think again about your history and your place in it !
@@areejps Arab Muslims of Israel allied with the nazis. Fact.
@@jackson5603 i know this is the ottoman empire, no one liked it , ask any arab if they like the ottoman empire, they will say no
Biased video
It’s been over 1000 years that don’t have any claim
Exactly wtf... plus jewish people ALWAYS lived in that land... Israel is pure colonialists project.
Ridiculous
There's a big mistake in this video. There never was an ancient "Palestine" or "Palestinian". The area in question was known by Arabs as Southern Syria.
LOL NO, that's just propaganda, the name Palestine has existed long before Romans took the land
@@mediterraneanmapping9657 the Romans literally made the name Palestine to not call it by a Jewish name
Canaan
So inaccurate. Before Judea was taken the other kingdom of Israel was destroyed and those Jews were and are lost to history, Later after the return the Persians had the land as sort of province hence the Jews of Elephantine a jewish garrison serving the Persian empire. Elephantine is in Nile river. When the temple was destroyed by Romans the majority of Jews lived outside of Judea. For example Saul, later Paul, lives out side of Judea.
People who are Jews today have no DNA relation to Abraham, Isaac or Jacob . They don’t even have a DNA connection to the Israelites. God gives and takes away. I wish no harm on the modern state of Israel but videos like these are lies.
Zionism is literally the opposite of colonialism. Palestine was an Arab and latter Ottoman colony.
The Ottomans were powerful
What about the account of the king that told those peoples who were basically Satanist to pick a religion or the king would bring his military might upon them so they picked Judaism. And are Jews also Hebrews? Because the kid talks about their people as if they are all the same but in Ethiopia, there are a huge amount of people that are actually in hebrews from ancient times. What about them? I digress what about in the Bible I thought the Jews lived in Egypt for a long time than who was living in Jerusalem. At that time it would stand to reason that they are from the region. All questions I like answers to.
What are you making up in your head? An episode of X-Files?
And why did the British abandon their interests in the area? Your video doesn’t seem to want to talk about this .
very specific way to choose the words and the way of the narratives... thankfully there are other sources and books and docs and articles...and especially documented news and facts
Palestinians already have their own state, don't they? It's called Jordan or Syria..or Egypt...or Lebanon etc. I mean... aren't they , the exact same people? Aren't they, all Arabs? Why is it so tragic to accept the fact that a ridicoulously tiny, narrow land has become a Jewish state?
(I'm not Jewish)
Calling all Arabs the same is a complicated issue. I'm only part Palestinian but what you're saying is equivalent to saying Mexicans are the same as Colombians or the same as any other mixed Latin American country. Basically Arabic is a common language and culture throughout the region but there's hundreds of indigenous people who got assimilated into that culture. Ie my Palestinian ancestors were guaranteed to have been there at the same time as my Jewish ancestors and therefore have at least as much a right to their land as Jewish people. Besides it's a holy land to them also and they're not even all Muslim like my relatives are all Christians from Bethlehem, a place that's now been heavily colonized.
@@monalisa8638 "indigenous people who got assimilated into that culture" lol, you mean destroyed and colonized by the Arabs? I don't think Kurds, Copts, Berbers, Assyrians, Jews, Arameans, Chaldeans, Yazidis, and Persians would say everything was peaceful; if it wasn't for the Arab and Islamic conquests, you would probably still be Jewish up to this day.
@@monalisa8638 That comparison makes no sense. While people from Colombia and Mexico comes from a variety of diffrent countries, Arabs on the other hand all comes from one place.
@@ducknwater3016 Nah man that's untrue. Following the birth of Islam there was a series of conquests throughout the Middle East, transplanting millions of Arabs throughout and their descendants intermingling with local populations. Conquest, intermingling, religious conversion... it's a pretty apt analogy to Latin America (at least in the sociocultural sense not really politically or economically)
@jin gu I never said pan Arabist wasn't colonialism (it very much is for the reasons you outlined) and I'm not pure arab at all I'm actually mixed Latin American lol so it's not me you should be angry with. And yeah! Palestinian wasn't necessary as an identity because in the Ottoman days we were just people who spoke Arabic in X department. No disagreements there
Talk about changing the narrative. Zero Jews until the 40s though. What about actions towards the peeps that were already there..you know what.. nevermind I mean the stuff in the bible like ...didnt happen so how can you base a real life claim on stuff that comes from a story, fable or tale. Idk
There has been a continuous Jewish presence in the region since at least 500 BCE.
@Ahmed I don’t understand your comment
@Ahmed most native Americans died and those who didn’t probably mixed with Europeans, Mexicans have a decent amount of Aztec and Peruvians have a descent amount of Incan for example
Sounds like yall are justifying an ethno state with a kosher twist.
2000 years ago isnt a real claim, and jews are allowed to emigrate, but a one secular state solution is the only solution that isn't a settler colony
Go create your own country then
Anyways Free Palestine…
Stop apartheid in Israel
Aren’t you guys from Poland though ?
Once again, blame the west
Who colonised palestine you smart?
Just look at the Palestinian map. it does show it has been colonized. Why isit so hard to see.
may Allah help you and all those Palestinian Brothers and sisters
Just look at the map of the Middle East and North Africa. It does who the lands of the Kurds, Assyrians, Chaldeans, Berbers, and Copts have been colonized by Arabs. Why is it so hard to see?
@@Justin-df9ev whos here talking about race? im pointing out human rights being colonized from an outside group of people that came with boats just because of a devine book says so. hello, for that reasoning, i can also create a book make it devine and use that excuse to justify my rights to take peoples land then? just because my devine book God says so then by that logic? This people that came, with an agenda of secularism in mind. They came to colonize with making religion being used as a tool of defense. zionism isnt judaism. Judaism is against zionist. zionist is against messiah. excile until messiah comes. people of excile come back with Messiah with peace , no blood shed is needed since truth is shown. is a smooth transition not like this.I
@Ploni Almoni Ya’ani where you from?
Why would Europeans say they are descendants of a land Europeans aren’t native speakers to?
You can learn more why here: ua-cam.com/video/ZV5ddewYMok/v-deo.htmlsi=azZlCuCtlBIMYmVM
You forgot to mention,
1. Some of the Palestinians families were Jews stayed in the Holy land, and some became Christians and Muslims, so called Arab Jews or Palestinians that being killed and abused by Zionists are our ancestors.
2. Every time we Jews were Victimized in Europe we ran for Refuge in Arab countries or in Turkey, many Jews lived in Peace for 1000s of years under Muslim Controlled countries.
3. Unlike Europe 1000 year negativity to Jews, in Arabia Negative feeling for Jews started when Evil Zionists hijacked Judaism
Not true. Arab Muslims didn’t allow Jews to ride horseback or have houses taller than theirs.
Jews are jews and not moslema or christians in 70DC part of the jews foowed Christ and so started the Christianity, but the maggiority of the jews did keep rheir religion and identity, the Islam came to world later in 980-1200DC ,
@@gfoot9916 oh boohoo these were petty times and those seem like the harmless petty type
No, Arabian negative feelings of Jews has always been there. You attacked Jews for no reason, Jews didn't even settle near you, expect for the few Jews who had been in Jerusalem since the 1400s. Islamic middle Eastern countries have always discriminated against Non-muslims and often
Zion on Psalms
Boney M’s Rivers of Babylon - Psalm 137:1
Short answer - NO
This is how you justify the occupation of land, on the pretext that you lived in it 3,000 years ago.
I think the total lack of any non-Jewish voices or representation in your funding says more about your bias here than even the propaganda piece itself. As a Jew, I saw what a sham this was by the :47 mark. Well done for blatant lying.
They had a black South African and several other non-Jewish guests, what are you talking about?
Like there aren’t other groups exiled from their lands COUGH COUGH Armenians. Its the banking on the victim mentality for me.
So where is your outrage on Armenians and how the Turks and Azerbaijanis have stolen their original land from them? Save the same energy for Erdogan and Aliyev lmao
Quick question though, I always learned that Herzl could care less where the Jew located just as long as they were free from persecution. Didn't he have talks about Madagascar and Uganda or something? So is that intentional that we never mention that part of our history that we just go avoid it or am i wrong or misunderstanding? Thank you for any answers.
He did care about the specific location. There were talks about using other locations, but those ideas were never mainstream for a reason.
He did support the Uganda plan (which was actually in Kenya lol) but there wasn't much broad support for that.
@@saintpeter9624 With due respect that is not a good answer. It was proposed to develop a homeland in 1903 (proposed vs. talked about). I am looking for a more developed answer since I am getting confused. Herzl was not a hero (from what i learned) he started a movement not a yearning for Israel, that has always been there. He was a completely secular Jew and has no Jewish (orthodox standards) descendents. So I am curious why we as Jew never talk about Herzl in a more critical light, of the fact that the land did not seem to mean much to him just that there was a land for Jews. I am asking as a curious Jew. I love Israel so please do not try to paint me as a hater. Maybe i am wrong, but where is the proof i am?
@@UNPACKED thank you, but didn't Herzl have no real yearning or understanding for Jews desire to return to Israel?
@@Ezzpuffs Herzel Had Supported Many Lands; Land of Israel (Palestine), Uganda/Kenya, Argentina... His Goal wasn't to get the Jews to Israel, but to get the Jews a State for them to be Free and Safe in, free from The Long Prosecution they have been living with for 2000 Years.
There were many of those who had Opposed his proposals for Places that were not Israel, and that Opposition even lead to some Jews to Make Aliyah to the Land of Israel, to Prove Herzel Wrong. This is around the Times of the 1st and 2nd Aliyot (Aliyot=Plural for Aliyah)
Scary to see these kids with that level on entitlement! They think they have a right to take land that does not belong to them. Sorry, but the Palestinians have already been there for generations! You should have learned that in Prep school or the Yeshiva's!
wheres the part 2 video?
but can someone please explain why you still have entitlement to the land if you were gone for so many 100s of years?? its like first people asking for their land in America or Australia back ... its not fair to the people currently living there despite all the atrocities committed against them previously
@Shayne Meidle yes. But a lot of them left too.... A lot. There were less then 20 percent left in what is now Israel
Let me get this straight, according to this ANY peoples can return to any of their ancestors lands without any regard to those who live there now ?
I guess that means I'm finally getting that Roman Villa in Tuscany, that "homeland" that I've always "longed for."
But what a lot of people do not understand is not that we just threw them away, divided the territory into two equal parts some Arabs and some Jews, the Arabs resisted and started wars to conquer the territory again, we would live in peace now if they just did not start wars they lost. That it was not at all their territory and it was at all the territory of the British it also people do not understand