A Brief Introduction to Yin Style Bagua

[@gratitude62]

I knew this practitioner and trained with him a bit when he came to our town on several occasions over a 4 or so year period....he is absolutely the real deal. I used to constantly volunteer when he wanted to demonstrate a technique, just to have so many of my assumptions constantly shattered about how powerful and skilled, -effortlessly, - a human being can be. mere talk costs nothing and takes so much away from you. meet this guy first, take some classes with him, run a real scientific experiment, then you have some direct experience about he jin bao's practice and skill. you will be grateful if you ever meet him.

[@mmernicky]

He actually has incredible form. The apparent jerking is his body snapping into form when everything comes into alignment for the actual strike. This is what actually breaks bones and ruptures organs when applied properly. Also in this case the Yin is referring to Yin Fu, the man that developed this particular style of bagua zhang.

[@curtrod]

nah

[@AODRHINO]

@Jehu30 I trained with him for four days in 2003. He is VERY fast when he attacks and his strikes almost always knock you down, and I weigh 250. He forces you into the position he wants you to be in, I was never able to defend against his strikes. The only defence I could find was to get and STAY out of range, if you are in his range you WILL I repeat YOU WILL be hit. He uses his whole body in ALL of his strikes, even in practice he will only hold back just enough to not cause real damage.

[@privacyghost]

It’s Great system with real solid applications vs other fancy Bagua forms which I still enjoy

[@piotrscorpii3983]

Jb is one of the most talented martial artists of our era and the elite of Chinese martial arts and super skillful no doubt, what I was amazed of with his superawareness to train a group of people and being present to the point his not even looking at you directly with his eyes (like facing you with his back) and still knowing what you are doing at the time of the intensive workshop, very strong experience tbh I will remember forever.

[@RichardRiddick78]

Very nice video. I am surprised you did not discuss the origin more -- how Yin Fu created the style after studying with Master Dong Hai Chuan. Yin was amazing as a practitioner and a fighter.

[@WaraniWanua]

Man,fighting this master like fighting a tornado.

[@Zack1440]

There are many techniques here that are similar to Combat Shuai Chiao. Thank you for sharing this video with us all!

[@YamamotoKazuo]

Isn't Cheng style the one that uses more throw and takedown considering Cheng Ting hua was a wrestler before learning bagua

[@rcoldman]

When I was a member of the London Yin-style bagua study group in the Xie Peiqi/He Jinbao lineage, shuai chiao was actually part of the training. My time was limited as I left the UK but I benefited greatly during my short time with the group.

[@rcoldman]

I believe Cheng Tinghua's study was focussed on the dragon system. Yin Fu started younger and studied longer with Dong Haichuan, his own style covering all 8 animal systems.

[@Sjnjerak]

Kieran Filkins He is not tense as much as taut. It is a central distinction in the yang aspects of this system. It is easy to demonstrate the difference but hard to explain in writing. Simply, tautness is expansive whereas tenseness is contracting, this means that they have very different results in terms of body mechanics. I hope that makes things a bit clearer.

[@Sjnjerak]

@shenlong73 Personally I have found it very tricky to mix Yin Style Baguazhang with any other martial art, and all of the key principles I have found in other martial arts are already contained in the practice so training something else to me would be superflous. That being said, there are several quite famous masters that mixed Hsing-I and Bagua, but I think they did other systems than Yin Style.

[@stonetigerxingyi]

That is an awesome point, and it something I have been working on personally. I would love to see what that comes out to be!

[@TenTigersofChina]

@nosvaructu The kung fu master I trained under was very big on the internal arts and also the external. He also had taught the Chinese Special Forces. The external is the foundation, your 'machinery' needs to be able to handle the delivery of a technique. Since the body is ONE system, you should train in a complete way.

[@1sunstyle]

This guy is so deadly because he has trained all four areas of training.

[@Iamthegreen]

I've done martial arts for a while now, I've found that flexibility is key to a good martial artist. I personally do yoga to help keep my in shape, its a good way to stay flexible and build muscle mass at the same time.

[@Sjnjerak]

Unicorn is really a (somewhat misleading) translation of Qilin, as I am sure you understand.

[@carrot404gmail]

1. Some weight and strength training and cardio can be good, but you have to use good posture and not over do it. In Yin Style Bagua you use isometrics and standing postures etc. to develop all of the small muscles so that when you are doing an attack you are not just using large, learn muscle groups, you are also using an army of smaller muscles. If you are looking for fluidity in bagua, then get the circling turning and Lion sets, weight training won't really help you much there.

[@carrot404gmail]

2 But if you are looking for speed in fighting you could lift for 2 lean muscle groups in a day, lower weights longer for density and heaver weights slowly for a short period of time to increase strength. Running, jump rope, stretches, foot work practice that Dan Inosanto talks about in Jeet Kune Do Training Film Narrated By Bruce Lee and Dan Inosanto. But I practice tai chi, Yin style bagua is probably the heaviest thing I do. In Yin style they use swords and sabers as weight training.

[@Amida7777777]

Very clearly shows the application forms! Thank you! We are waiting for more videos!

[@nobodyatall9243]

it be totally awesome to see him practicing it on a ying yang sign viewed from above

[@sublimenija]

@nosvaructu In my paarticular style, we are told that 'external is the instrument, internal is the amplifier'. So if you have a weak body but good energy, you are just as effective as someone with a strong body and no energy. But, a strong body and good energy is devastating.

[@Sjnjerak]

Yicheng Li You are of course right that it is fairly easy to manipulate and throw a lighter opponent. However, Jinbao has a very high-skill level, as should be evident from how he manipulates the balance of the student. There is additional footage where Jinbao demonstrates techniques with heavier students, for example: London Training Intensive 2013 - Day 7 part 2

[@ukguy]

@Sjnjerak Yeah most of them did either Cheng or Liang styles... don't know of any that mixed Yin, not much point, it's such a big system it has everything in it anyway and would take forever to master.

[@TheClarity101]

Do you have anything for the unicorn system? I can’t see anything on UA-cam or the website

[@pandragon1974]

Hi, I have everything they sell on dvd. They currently have 4 of the 8 animals on dvd (Lion, Dragon, Phoenix and Bear). Unicorn has not been released yet as far as I know. But you can see more of it in their dvd “The 64 Qinna Attacking Methods of Bagua” which includes 8 controlling and takedown methods from each animal and is a really excellent instructional resource for getting a sense of the entire style since you get to see a little of each animal in sequential order.

[@Sjnjerak]

Frederick Chu Hi there, from my (admittedly limited) experience, this bagua lineage differs from most other bagua styles and indeed, most other Yin style's as well. You are right in that this lineage contains various subsystems which have their own fighting strategy and power generation methods. However, in terms of frame, their is nothing with the exercises in this system that necessarily makes you large. The last lineage holder Xie Peiqi was quite slight (Google him and you'll see). :)

[@FredoFreedom]

I agree. In this video the narrator mentioned isometric exercises held in stances. An isometric exercise is one in which the muscles are held in contraction. In I-Chuan, circle walking poses, etc, the tendons, sinews, bones are held in extension while relaxing as much muscle as one can. This is not isometric. Not sure if there is a western word for this. The tendons, sinews, bone marrow, are elastic and also liquid crystal.

[@Sjnjerak]

@nosvaructu another related point is that MMA (and other fighting sports such as boxing) require a lot more cardiovascular capacity than actual fighting, and hence they adjust their training accordingly. By that I do not mean to imply that cardiovascular exerciser are a waste of time (there are great health benefits of a strong cardio-vascular system) but if you actually get attacked other factors such as anaerobic endurance, technique, strength and mentality will play a much larger role.

[@Sjnjerak]

@nosvaructu My understanding is this: subcutaneous fat does not affect your ability as a fighter to the slightest, if anything it increases it slightly as it helps you withstand blows and cuts better. As someone that has seen Jinbao in action I can attest that his size does not in any way impair his speed, explosive power or the fluidity of his movements.

[@davidboyer4554]

fat equals more mass Force = MASS, times Acceleration .

[@curtrod]

​@@davidboyer4554hahaha

[@jack28925]

I would say that, as a quick, lethal martial art, having a lot of muscle as opposed to having toned muscles would limit you. There's no problem with training and growing your muscles, but a bodybuilder wold probably want to stay away from something such as Yin Style Bagu, or any style of Baguazhang for that matter. Boxing and kickboxing would be much more of an applicable martial art for someone like that.

[@samsuh]

i believe the point of internal styles is to be able to perform the moves efficiently and effectively regardless of your build. however, being a soft internal style, there is not an emphasis on exterior muscle strength (i dont know about this muscular form of bagua, as i dont do harder styles like this); the point is to be able to generate all the force you need internally to achieve the goals externally. this can be done as effectively by a bulky 20 year old, as a seemingly frail 90 year old.

[@sergiosousa4040]

feliz ano novo pra todos os youtubers e googlers, happy new year for all youtubers and googlers

[@pranakhan]

All animal systems within YSB mirror each other to a degree, their dependent relationship connects all movements within the style to the essence of the I Ching. There are elements of Unicorn style within all of the animal systems. All of the elements are integrated. Unicorn is trained sometimes during their intensive workshops, check for times & availability.

[@Lana_1989taylorsversion]

As simple as your question might sound, it is quite complex. Don't forget that body mass goes a long long ways to helping you create more power with your attacks. Which is why you always see weight divisions in most fighting sports. Granted we do not know what kind of endurance this guy has simply by seeing a larger gut on him. For all we know he could be an absolute powerhouse. Then again it can be the other way around.

[@tykaraboso]

internal arts rely on structure and mass, not speed and strength, most good internal practitioners are very good and sinking/rooting their center of mass and using it to disrupt their opponents balance and structure, people who are all muscle have a very high center of gravity, carrying most of their weight in their chest and shoulders, having most of your weight in your gut helps quite a bit with the way they move and generate power

[@HANGER187]

Devastating in awesomeness.

[@thelordsfieldhand]

@ssbreon me too. I was told that it was bad for the neck/spinal cord to allow the spinal wave to go to the neck like that. Plus wouldn't it be hard to keep an eye on the opponent with the head jerking up and down like that?

[@ukguy]

HeJin Bao is awesome, so great to be able to see some of the rooster and monkey which i have never seen before, thanks for posting!!

[@REDAMK1]

Its not about size. I practice martial arts. Im 6 foot tall and weigh 138. I wreck people who look like mma fighters. Its ALL technique.

[@moonbar33]

This is a very good question.

[@Vokkan]

Most heavy people are hiding big muscles under there ;)
Besides, power comes from mobilizing your bodymass, not from eliminating all the fat from your body (which really is all there is to that MMA fighter physique you're talking about).
Cutting fat will affect your muscles and energy negatively, and is only benefitial for people trying to fit into a certain weight class.
If you feel that packing more muscles would benefit you (and it probably will to an extend) just go for it.

[@trubblman]

@nosvaructu I am not an internal stylists per se but I will try to answer the question. The force is not generated through muscle power though the limbs but the whole body is used to generate power using the body mass. So in fact being heavy may help not hurt. Also keep in mind just because one is heave does not mean one is weak, for instance, sumo wrestlers.

[@bigpapaboomboom9735]

Great

[@nosvaructu]

Not a critique but just a question, i notice a lot of internal martial arts practioners, not all are some what heavy, I don't want to say obese... but how would it affect his performance as a fighter / martial artist if he decided to form his body into what a MMA fighter would look like. Would the time and dedication devoted to western muscle mass and fitness detract too much from the time required to practice bagua? Would his level of lethality increase, decrease, or not matter?

[@BaGuaPerfectionist1]

The way the body is trained in ba gua the organs and tissues of the abdoman swell and enlarge giving the appearance of obesity when in fact if you were to strike a bagua practioner in the stomach you would notice it is as solid as a person who has a six pack.

[@mgbaileyONE]

I believe that the criticisms of the head movements are misguided. The instructor of the video is He Jinbao, the current lineage carrier of YSB (Grand Master) and I think that you can notice the head movements are only prevalent during certain movements of certain animal systems. Having studied only one of these animal systems I cannot make excuses for the other styles but the video even states the type of force varies per system. The whipping force of the Phoenix is likely the cause of this.

[@pandragon1974]

The shocking effect at the end of each movement is a signature aspect of YSB in all animals. It’s in every strike. Some animals have more flowing movements. And almost any part of YSB can be trained either hard or soft, gently or with force. So even Lion, which is all Yang, all hard, may be performed softly and flowing like tai chi. A good practitioner should be able to flow between animals, as well as hard and soft instantaneously to become whatever is required in that moment.

[@taffbanjo]

Looks more like Cheng style - grappling, etc...

[@MrXhaber]

hello, a question what you think how long a fight against a internal durated ?

[@diverse379]

your individual fitness goals are different for everyone.
The original question was would making a mma body detract from the the internal
yes and no
in as much as you tigtned your tendons and ligaments and stopped the whipping force of the spine because you inserted a bunch of tight muscles in the mix
possibly
but overall fitness more isometric and plyometric stuff I dont see any incongruence

[@kaitsith3081]

Bagua strikes strike square?
What does this mean?

[@The7thCircuit]

@nosvaructu
a viable question, but just ask yourself, WWBD?
What Would Bruce Do? lol
This was one of his main complaints in his time about acclaimed 'masters' of various arts, no disrespect to them, but even Bruce thought physical conditioning was just as important as technique and in many cases , could overtake many techniques with mere speed/power
In other words, yes and no, you will be able to do some devastating things when mastering an art, but "overspecializing breeds weakness"

[@diffrentcopy]

does anyone know where i can learn the unicorn system? and which style focuses on techinques that mirror the 64 hexegrams?

[@QuentinDunmore]

他的力量是惊人的！

[@heraclitus5957]

Wang Shujin was heavy. He fought 1500 challenge matches and never lost. He practiced a different style of Bagua. His punch would topple anybody. Hung i Hsiang was also heavy. A veteran of many street fights. I think being a little heavy is an advantage.

[@davidmartinez9804]

It can be an advantage because once you become an internal master you become very light on your feet. My brothers Sifu was in amazing shape and looked like the master that people envision but his Sifus teacher (Sigun) was a fat 55 year old white guy who looked like an accountant and could supposedly at that time destroy people and moved like nobody he had ever seen.

[@curtrod]

they weren't heavy they were fat, pianos are heavy

[@redd-qh4xn]

What about the yang style?

[@pranakhan]

@AlHasashinBattousai
Both movement and stillness are viewed more as tactics than actual principles. The principles lie in the manner of their proper execution.

[@tykaraboso]

as for the time requirements how much time and energy someone has to devote to their practice depends on their life style, do you choose to work 8 hours a day to earn a living, and spend the rest of the time relaxing? or do you work 8 hours, train your mind and body 8 hours and sleep 8 hours? we have no shortage of time, it is all how we choose to use it

[@alopda1]

To much muscle mass would hinder the practioners ability to sense the opponents energy.

[@papageorgio123123]

absolutely not true, if anything it would improve it, more muscle mass equals more motor units(which require neurons/nerves) in the body. Just because someone has big muscles doesn't mean they cannot relax those muscles. Also, its not about sensing energy, its about sensing force. Stop it with the esoteric terms and join reality, your practice will improve substantially for it.

[@Iddio777]

We have funny ideas of what fitness is. Some "fit" fighters are actually unhealthy, and although some large people are truly unhealthy, or obese, you could likely be assured that a master martial arts practitioner is higher than the "average" person in health (even if they look alittle... full?).

[@HikariTheGardevoir]

AIRBENDERS

[@joecwright]

Ha ha Justin really went for it!

[@Crystalh321]

"yin(硬)" means "hard" in Chinese. was halfway through the video to realize that.

[@kasumifu1541]

That's ying, not 'yin', which means soft in yin-yang theories and apps etc.

[@Kari166]

"cold, crisp, and fast".
Hmm... like, air? 8D

[@samsunderland1]

some of the best ones where in great shape the only thing you have to be careful with is not strengthening your shoulders to the point where they become stiff which is the case for most mma practitioners . these martial arts require freedom of movement in the joints. you must first get this freedom and flexibility before you put on the muscle. but how the power is generated in these martial arts is very different from mma. not knocking mma practitioners i respect both worlds.

[@papageorgio123123]

having big strong shoulders does not equal stiff shoulders. gymnasts are a perfect example of this.

[@zachary7897]

You are correct. Just wondering, who have you trained with?

[@mikeneidlinger8857]

If you look deep into Bagua, you will see the truth.
-Mike Neidlinger

[@dpthinker]

@nosvaructu hello my friend. don't particularly know this master so i cannot speak for him. tough question. it really depends. personally i think they can take a page from each other. i think one should be familiar with both. be able to throw your hands and legs, clinch and some understanding of ground and definitely train internal maybe even more than external. best fighters in mma are fluid and relaxed ie anderson silva, nick diaz etc. not too tight muscularly.

[@HANGER187]

@nosvaructu It doesn't matter what size you are with the science and fractal theory summoned from 8 languages. Big or small, we all know 1. Best fighters are unpredictable. 2. It takes so little to knock a person down when you fall into "emptiness" 3. MMA still has moves BANNED despite the leniency of closed fist regulations. If you would see a fight from a TRUE bagua practitioner-VS-MMA, fight will be too short and its not a main event. There r smaller&thinner people that throw over 400 lbs.

[@nosvaructu]

true, but problem is if you fight someone with good technique or equal skills, but they weight more or.. well more conditioned, you know what I mean?

[@papageorgio123123]

so you work on your conditioning? who says if you practice this you cannot do any strength and conditioning outside of it?

[@carrot404gmail]

and ab exercises.

[@ahmadnurzam7402]

This is art of fighting, not body Building

[@ssbreon]

I like the applications very much. However, I did not like how the teacher's head shook during the fajing.

[@NexusKing16]

Air bending Fighting Style O.O

[@jbouse64]

Only really one way to test anything gwarner.

[@Vipa567]

NEJI

[@kwpmoney]

Tell him to stop moving his head

[@bonessav2711]

0:09

[@baedalchiwoo]

Firstly any style is affective given one you train ALOT and I mean ALOT. Secondly those who fight more or train with combative stress will always be better in fighting. Thirdly musculature and physical conditioning heavily influence ones ability to dish and take damage. Secondly mma type guys and professionally trained fighters/athletes are not the same thing. Unless you train an equal amount as them in any style the probability of getting your ass kicked is quite high

[@keisuke185]

can you fight with a muay thai fighter if you win i will train all style of baguzhang

[@nosvaructu]

I hold numbers like that with healthy skepticism. One would just need to figure out he would have to fight one fight a day for over four years straight, and even if this was true, it does not speak of the quality of the fighters. I could go to a elementary school and rack up a pretty good win count.

[@davidmartinez9804]

You can be like Kramer from Seinfeld and join a kungfu school filled with kids to challenge them lol

[@Coltsuke]

Aang brought me here.

[@HANGER187]

Think about it, there r more angles practiced til the INTENT is there ALL the time. So when you ask of level of lethalness increased or decrease with the CLICHE AMERICAN views of martial arts performed by cut brawlic men, my answers says YES to INCREASE. If u are rooted then a light weight may seem more dense than a tip toe muscle head.Ur first Question ...let me ask u, can you do this 10 hrs a day? Just try holding your arms up in lion posture for 10 minutes then do a 100 american pushups.

[@artemus18]

I'm in awe of HJB! O.O

the next drake

[@jt890011]

That character is pronounced ying, not yin.

[@papageorgio123123]

no its not its 尹 yin as in Yin Fu, Dong Hai Chuan's student.

[@TheBrokenMonkey]

YOU MEAN VERY SLOPPY FOR A SUPPOSED MASTER...

[@ambika69]

Yin style being the hard palm? What? Did they even read the book of changes? Yin is Yielding. Yang is hard. Yin uses redirection, Yang uses strikes.

[@MattBild]

This is Yin 尹 as in Yin family bagua.

[@ambika69]

@@MattBild Got any references for my 'being uninformed'? Because even in the book of changes, this seems to be bullshit. I'm willing to blame the narrator rather than the demonstrator, or the style, but... Yin absolutely everywhere else, is 'soft' and 'feminine' martial philosopies dealing with redirection, grappling and balance. Crane and snake as opposed to ox and tiger. Taichi and akkido as opposed to karate and taekwondo. Dark, water, the moon and healing, as opposed to light, fire, the sun and combat.

[@MattBild]

@@ambika69Textbook uninformed as in you have no idea what you are referring to. The "yin" here is 尹, not 阴. Anything else we can help you with?

[@ambika69]

@@MattBild Right, the chinese tonal thing where a word means 11 different words.

[@Far7anR]

The Yin here refers Yin Fu, the baguazhang master after whom this lineage of bagua is named after. Just as how Yang Style Taijiquan refers to the Yang family, and Yang Luchan in particular - not yang as in the Daoist concept.

[@andrewblack7852]

When you start and stop, when you throw out power, when you implicate speed, you are external. Ba gua is internal. Quan fa has principles. They are universal. There are no special cases. Sure external works but why then use ba gua as a platform? You might as well do mma. Boxing. I leave this as a clue for the path that leads to internal content. Everyone has only one split second. That’s life and that combat. They have the same split second you have. If you start and stop you create openings and inability. The same is true for any position in the movements. Internal collects and doesn’t discard the quality of I can move.

[@silafuyang8675]

Good sumo bad bagua

[@jbouse64]

As my son once said...blah, blah, blah, and blah.