MG4 vs VW ID.3 vs Vauxhall Astra Electric Review | Who makes the best EV hatchback?
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Watch as we compare the MG4, ID.3 and Vauxhall Astra Electric in a battle of the best executive electric hatchbacks. Parkers Cars’ Luke Wilkinson and James Dennison are your hosts.
Chapters:
0:00 - Intro
1:10 - VW ID.3 driving
5:25 - MG4 driving
8:43 - Astra Electric driving
11:33 - Range and charging
13:00 - ID.3 interior
14:26 - MG4 interior
15:59 - Astra Electric interior
17:27 - ID.3 practicality
18:30 - MG4 practicality
19:53 - Astra Electric practicality
20:41 - Bootspace
21:26 - Prices and value for money
24:44 - Verdict
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Which car gets your vote? Let us know in the comments below...
Neither. Both are terrible in their own special ways.
Mg
Just to be clear, are we talking about the cars or the election?
Mg,better than my last car,not in every way but all round.....2017 Audi S3
I have the Mg4 and the wife has the ID3. The MG4 is nicer to drive and comes fully loaded, but on a long run we prefer the ID3 for its ride and silence and better seats. The ID3 takes a little longer to charge compared to the MG which regularly charges at 130-140kw. But if buying secondhand the MG is likely to have plenty of warranty left out of its 7yrs where our ID3 only has three yrs.
Thanks for an interesting comparison of those two cars and your real world experience. I've owned a Kia e-Niro from new in March 2019, now on 102,000 km and its been pretty much faultless. We live in France and do long hauls in the car, finding it comfortable and the build quality is as good as anything German or Japanese I've owned. The charging speed of the MG4 makes me jealous though..we top out at 75 kW but tbh on long trips we don't mind taking a 30 minute rest to eat/drink and use the bathroom.
You say MG is nice to drive and then you say you prefer the ID3 for its ride? I'm sure the MG is not better to drive
@@sebastian5903 drive and ride are two different things. I'm not sure where the confusion is coming from.
Yes, the MG is more of a drivers car in how it steers and handles. Our ID3 seems boring by comparison, but the softer suspension and better seats of the ID3 are what you want when travelling long distances. Both are very good cars, but in different ways. Horses for courses and all that.
@sebastian5903 always test for yourself. What one person finds good others will find unlivable with. Having driven an early MG4 I can say it is a brilliant car to drive. Not having driven an ID3 I cannot compare. All I will say is I can do a 10 hour taxi driving shift in the MG4 without a problem.
The other thing to understand is SIAC (who make MG cars) also make all the VW group cars for the Chinese Market and also make many parts for VW and export to Germany. So in reality many of the parts in the MG are identical to those in the ID3 certianly in quality.
I have an orange MG4 Trophy LR. Why do these expert reviews always fail to note that the “fiddly touchscreen” can be negated by using the Hey MG voice control or indeed commonly used controls such as heating control can be assigned to the joysticks on the steering wheel. Yes the touchscreen is less than ideal but unlike some others there are decent alternative control functions. I have drive modes on left side and the right side joystick alternates between audio control and heater control at the touch of a physical button on the wheel. Simple.
I have the same model and have set the control options in the same way. I don't really use the voice control very much but it's there if a little limited. WLTP is quoted as 270 mile and In January I was seeing around 220 miles but that may have been partially due to me being a new EV owner and sitting in it fiddling. Currently (June 2024) I'm seeing well over 300 miles on the mix of driving that I'm doing. To be fair not much of that is motorway speeds but a recent journey from near Horsham to Swindon to Reigate and back to near Horsham could easily have been completed on a single charge. I did top up at the Gridserve chargers at Swindon as I'd never used public charging to that point and wanted the experience but I still had 68% of capacity when I topped up to 80%. Mine was an ex-demonstrator which cost me just over £26k with 8000 on the clock at a convenient dealership list price for the model was £33k.
I have the MG4 extended range, it is a very brisk car indeed. Love it!
Is no one interested in the efficiency of evs? Reviewers tell us range but not miles per khw.
That's a very good point - it was briefly stated that the MG4's efficiency was inferior to that of the iD.3, but with no data to back that up.
If you charge from home at 7.5p/kW then efficiency isn't a huge factor (within reason)
Well, the maths is hardly tricky is it?
MG 4.2 miles per kwh, ID3 4.6 miles per kwh, Corsa 4.8 miles per kwh. That'll be five pounds please.
Well the efficiency is WILDLY dependant on the driver. I have had both the ID3 and now have the MG4. The ID3 has no chance what so ever to reach it's WLTP summertime but the MG4 has no problems. Wintertime the MG4 looses 40% of its range in the absolute coldest but the ID3 is better. (Talking -20 celcius over time the mg drops down to 230km and the ID3 to around 275km in my ownership) but if my wife drives these cars ( both the ID and the MG) She has tons more range then me because of driver style, heating, cooling etc.
Good sensible reviews but Luke, please don't talk so fast, I can't understand what you're saying half the time.
Thank you for sharing, that was very interesting
We have had an ID3 for nearly 2.5 years and love it. Agree with pretty much everything you said about driving it, although I find the brakes absolutely fine once used to them. We don't find the controls to be a problem at all. The non back-lit slider and rear window controls are a bit silly but very minor.
It does a good job for long journeys (have done a couple of journeys over 1000 miles and many in the 3-500range) and I would add that the amazing turning circle means it is the best you can buy for urban driving.
I haven't driven an MG4, but the ID3 is also quite fun on a B road. It lacks a bit of feel but is well balanced and has enough power. You can get them with big discounts now, so the price difference to the MG isn't what the rrp suggests.
love mey id 3
I agree entirely with your comments. Our ID3 has been great. I have driven the MG4 and, yes, it drives very well, but I found the interior materials to be cheap feeling and probably won’t stand up very well over time.
Note that discounts are great for the buyer, dreadful for the manufacturer. However, when looking at the competition (and what is coming) - the ID3 will HAVE to do something about the price if VW want to stay relevant. The fact that the UK does not get the revised infotainment screen (and probably misplaced buttons and knobs still set up for left hand drive) suggests VW are not exactly bothering to make a splash in the UK?
@user-jt4fy4od9r the revised infotainment is available if you order now I believe
The great part about the Astra is it will devalue like crazy. Look at the Corsa E.... you can get one new for £20,000.... The Astra will be similar in 6mths or so from now.
Nice video guys, but you forgot a competent adversary, the Megane e-tech 60kw battery and 220hp.
Dacia Spring!!!! ok not like these cars but 2 for 1 deal......
have owned the MG 4 64 kW for the past eight months and it is very good value for money not too many complaints especially at the price. with heated seats, the heating works very well. Plenty of room. The materials are a bit on the cheap side but as I said consider the price. much prefer rear wheel drive to front wheel drive that’s another point in its favour.😊
I had an iD3 Pro and I agree with all your points, especially the brakes which are the most disappointing part, particularly the transition from regen to normal braking - which is poor. Overall though, a thumbs-up.
When discussing the prices you mentioned the MG4 extended range but showed a picture of the MG5🤔
I lease a Citroën E-C4 for £265/mth literally half the cost of HP payments. It is wonderfully comfortable and pretty practical as an all-around family car. The best part of it, is I've seen mint second hand models for sale at just £13,000.... Great value for something that like the Astra was massively overpriced new.
Astra’s below £30k new already and will continue to depreciate heavily. I don’t understand Stellantis’s policy putting these out at stupid prices that no one pays.
@ISuperTed Stellantis are bonkers adding £10,000 to a petrol model and calling it BEV. Batteries have already dropped 50% last year.. broken through the $100/kwh barrier and now dropped over 50% and are sitting at $46... So take out a £5,000 engine... add a £1,500 motor and a £2,500 battery pack...!! The sums prove they are taking the piss!! At worst BEVs are now equal in cost to ICE. But they are doing massive RRP and then devaluing by 60% in two years. Nothing wrong with a Corsa, Astra, Citroën but at the RIGHT price.
A good review. It wasn't too long ago when Astras were a very common site on British roads. What's happened. Perhaps, as mentioned in this review, the Astra is decent but an average all-rounder to be commanding a more premium price. For me: 1 - ID3, 2 - ID3 and 3 - Astra
They have the choice of a notorious 1.2 petrol engine or an EV whose value likely plummets like a stone if it’s anything like the e corsa. I really wouldn’t buy any EV new that come with a 3 year warranty.
@@bordersw1239 Yeah whats funny vauxhaul had better cars when they were under gm, heck even the 7 year old ampera-e was a better ev then corsa e.
good review / comparison.
either i wait for the skoda epiq or for the next version of the ID.3, which might be a Golf 9.
for all these comparisons a deeper dive in the battery system might be helpful. it is important to know if the battery is module based, if it shares the same modules with other cars, what the cost for a single module is and what is the total repair cost if one module needs to be changed.
this is something that drives me to VW. you can buy a single module online for only 2150€. but i don't know how much repair cost of the battery would be.
VW only uses just a few variants and in 10 years from now there are plenty of 2nd hand modules available for a low price ( i guess easy under 1000€, maybe only 500€).
that modularity gives me the necessary safety net of low battery repair costs.
for people who give back the car after 3 or 4 years of leasing this is not relevant at all. but i am more oriented to second hand cars or keep it very long - beyond the warranty.
I have a Skoda Enyaq. It is brilliant. Wait for the Epiq and you won't go wrong.
Being Parkers, I would have thought depreciation might have been mentioned?
Transformers, adverts in disguise.
Why? Most people will lease a new EV rather than buy it. Any depreciation would be for the leasing company to deal with.
@@Brian-om2hh So nobody buys anything but new EVs?
It is all about timing. I remember when unleaded fuel arrived and the holdouts complained you could not fill up anywhere. Best to hold onto those Leaded fuel items. This caused a temporary rise in their value as everyone had the same idea. Then soon after unleaded was a thing, you could not give leaded fuel cars away. And all the leaded fuel disappeared off the forecourts anyway. The same thing is happening here. At some point in the near future, diesels and petrols won't be worth their scrap metal value, but while the transition happens - people hold onto what they have, new car prices come under pressure to drop, dragging down buoyant 2nd hand ICE prices eventually.
Got an MG4 - good car, great value.
You adjust b mode with the accelerator pedal
The metric to use when describing charging speeds is roughly how many miles you can add in a given period of time. It is especially irrelevant to give the home charging time from empty to full when charging at home because nobody ever does that! Obviously a small battery charges quicker because it's putting in fewer miles!
When comparing multiple vehicles it's also good to mention safety where the MG4 fails for the rear passengers, in a frontal impact from 50km/h the crew in the back can break their necks and that's a shame. As for the front crew, only the ID3 has a central airbag to prevent serious head and neck injuries in a side impact.
The MG4 is a five star Euro NCAP car.
@@martynmorris8160 The number of stars is not such important like the body damage maps. There you can see the neck injury level in red(!) color - the worst result can be... And MG4 doesn't have the middle airbag between front seats..(ID3 has)
@@palusisko And still it has 5 stars just like the ID.3 wich means the ID.3 Has other issues not good in other protection. Overall they both have the same protection "overall" so yes the stars ARE important. Would you have the best driver protection + pedestrian or the best backseat protection. Up to you :)
@@Tsenngu :-) It is not only about the doom of rear passengers but also front. The ID3 has airbag between front seats.. BTW I am very curious how the Chinese airbags will work after ten years.. Regarding MG4 I can say only one - good luck :-)
The Astra controls are similar to my BMW i3 .. I wonder if Vauxhall got inspiration from BMW. A physical volume control now that's just brill.
I have had an MG4 Trophy for 10 months, great value car ( especially on 0% interest PCP which I have), if they could just sort out the Lane Keep Assist ( which is a bit too enthusiastic-I generally switch it off). If they could bring out a 400 mile range model it would be a world beater!
You can adjust the temperature and fan speed in the MG4 without taking your hands off the steering wheel.
Can you do that in the other two??
The VW has voice control.
@@michaelgoode9555 so does the MG in Trophy spec.
I was waiting and waiting for actual testing of the energy consumption. In my opinion, the Astra's not losing out there, and if distances simply cost less, that's a positive point both for the budget as well as our planet. I understand that we need 240 kWh batteries that charge in 3 minutes to persuade the holdouts, but in real life, people (at least more than 85% of them) don't drive more than 40 miles per day, so carrying around larger capacity batteries don't make actual sense. You also don't need a 0-62 mph figure that's very low to stand in traffic on your way to work or on your way home. But the ability of people to use reason with their 21st century brains has some people prefer a near 3 ton SUV with a 100+ kWh battery for in town use, and they probably charge it every night from 90-100%.
Issue is though its priced less competitively so even if it was 4 miles per kWh and the other two were 3.5 doing 10,000 mpa is only going to save you 350 odd kWh which is £26 (7.5p per kWh) so hardly going to help recover anything.
I get your point on the battery size but they here are not comparing the Astra to the standard MG 4 which actually has a smaller battery than the Astra 51v54.
Finally from what I can see the MG4 already has LFP batteries where Astra does not yet... so on eco grounds MG4 would win if thats the case.
PS I don't own a MG4 :)
@@Dreador.you‘re joking, obviously. 7.5p per kWh. On long trips even. Fairyland travelling?
@@fryke nope it’s what I pay my car can do 200 miles of range and I charge about 3 times a year on rapids and that’s only due to staycationing - you yourself argued most people don’t do more than 40 miles so yes in that scenario definitely 100% 7.5p on overnight home charger
SIAC make all the VW group cars for the Chinese market. Hence many of the parts used in all MG cars are from the VW parts bin. The MG5 is largly VW in all its parts MG dealers sell MG5 parts to VW owners. So many parts are identical in quality.
Got an mg4 trophy. Lovely car…..apart from an annoying whine at 45-55mph from the electric motor.
When you get it serviced ask them to change your 1 liter of gearbox oil. That solved the problem on my MG5. The whine has come back so next service it is getting changed again. Now on 138,000 miles by the way and the battery is still on 100% SOH
New Astra is incredibly efficient, I was impressed when I borrowed one, still won't get me out of my Kia.
In Germany you can get the pro s id3 with big battery and 5 seats
You quote net battery capacity for the VW & MG but gross for the Vauxhall, which is 51.
Out of those 3 it’s the ID.3 ,
That’s why i own one , I found the MG4 cramped in the rear & the lane assist is dangerous on any narrower roads than a motorway what on the one i checked out it could not be turned off ..
With the ID.3 rear space is more generous & you can turn off the lane assist .
Your can turn off lane assist in the mg4.
They've also recently done an update to make it less aggressive, with another one due in the autumn.
You can turn it off on the MG4 was a faff but with the latest software update it’s much simpler to do.
You can also turn down the effects that it has if you want to keep it on.
@@nbbluemoon1 That does make one thing better at least .
MG4 is so much better to drive and there isn't much difference in the back at all. For the price the MG is the clear winner. LKA can be turned off but it's so none intrusive now it doesn't need to be.
You’ve always been able to turn off lane keep assist on the MG4, in all software versions. What you can’t do, because it would lose the five-start Euro NCAP safety rating, is turn it off permanently.
FINALLY someone talking about Monthly Finance! Just over £200pcm for an MG4 is a STEAL - even compared to an ICE car!! Take into account fuel savings and you're saving a fortune to drive it.
So much for "Electric cars are too expensive".
I would not drive it, even if it was 100 a month.
@@jondonnelly4831 then you'd be a silly person.
@@jondonnelly4831 It was on offer at £99 per Month a while back.....
@@jondonnelly4831 Give it another 3 years and you won't be able to buy anything new that isn't an EV.
@@jondonnelly4831 There is no accounting for willful ignorance and stupidity.
I liked the Astra more. But I think the Megane and Smart are even better
Bit unrelated, but has anyone here had experience with Cupra Born? I know its basically the same car as ID3, but it looks much better imo and if I can find one for the same price as ID3, should I go for Cupra?
Cupra doesn't have Matrix LED, (i think) no ID light (maybe in the new version?). So depending on your needs.
Like the channel guys. Luke... speak slower mate. Its sometimes hard to understand you because of your speed of delivery. Keep up the good work.
I think you should have included the BYD Dolphin, and probably the Kona in this review. Other than that, agree with all the comments... Vauxhall are way behind the pack, as are Ford.
The cars follow different strategies, the ID priorities on the battery to have changeable modules, that's put weight and lessen the range. But it's definitely more reliable and sustainable. Anything wrong with the MG4 battery will cause the replacement of the whole damn battery.
I will not talk about the Astra as it's not a bespoke EV, which means loads of wasted legroom and practically poor weight distribution, and so
Now that tesla slashed prices, a model 3 rwd is the better buy tbf.
Agree, under £40k for 345 miles range and everything as standard up to and including heated and cooled perforated seats, matrix LED smart lights, etc.
Still waiting for a usable family car in the 20k range.
There are new EVs for sale on Autotrader in this price bracket. Like the Corsa and it's French face lift sibling the e208. Several Chinese variants will be arriving in the near future - if it gets to the UK, the BYD Seagull should be a great option.
Citroen C3 on the way!
You can now buy new EV Corsa's and Mokka's from a main dealer for £20k & £23k
I've seen an MG X power with 3000 miles for £26000, and the new Mégane ev 8000 miles for £23000, nobody should be getting stitched up with an EV at list price.
Id buy a Tesla model 3. Over here in Oz a model 3 is £28400. An MG 4 less than £20000.
Doesn't the MG have vehicle to load?
The Astra is by far the most beautyful of these 3.
Sadly it has so many flaws (high price, small battery, low power, front wheel drive, tight interior...).
The problem is that it was not designed as an EV from the bottom up.
There so many 'ev reviews' with much the same verdic, so why don't you guys take a different stance, and compare them to fossil fuel cars. i.e. take the standard Golf, and compare it to the ID3. Or the 2 versions of the Vaxhaul Astra petrol and EV. Now that would be interesting to compare them with every day use. Specially so in the secondhand market!! Address the issues with charging without a driveway etc. I challenge you, no I dare you to try!!
I suggest any comparison like that also takes into account the environmental damage done. This would cover immediate damage due to NOx and CO emissions and then the contribution to global warming by emitted CO2. If you care about what sort of world your grandchildren are going to inhabit any EV will win hands down.
Why are they both carrying invisible carpets under their arms in the intro 😂
You should mention that the Astra is good for tall people, the MG isn’t go good because if it’s high floor
For me it's the Astra. But not at that price.
Give it 6 months and it'll be half price or buy the real car version instead of the toy battery version. 🤣
why would you go for the worst model?
@@dodgywheelsandropeywiring5697 Clearly you are one of these ignorant petrolheads who doesn't care about what sort of world our grandchildren and future generaions are going tto have to live in.
How come their efficiency is no better than a model Y?
A combination of factors: the electric motors are not as efficient at higher speeds, some losses in the reduction gear, the aerodynamics are not as good which obviously shows once again at higher speeds, the electronics managing the battery (BMS) and the HVAC systems.
If you were to test by switching off the HVAC and limiting maximum speed to 55mph though you wouldn’t find much difference, particularly in the UK summer.
It really is just that EVs are so efficient that you do notice small differences, even the tyres make as much as 10% diffidence in acceleration and regen, particularly in the wet.
@@fenegroni I was making the point that I’d expect smaller cars to be more efficient that bigger cars, especially an SUV sized cars. A golf would use less fuel than a Tiguan
@@ObiePaddles you might want to look at the weights of the models in the test vs the model Y and read my reply again.
You are not using the correct comparison method.
@@fenegroni You are right the Pro S is heavy, almost my model Y weight. Not that you mentioned weight. All three cars are in a smaller class that my Model Y and still my Model Y is about 5% more efficient comparing real worlds results over 15000 miles to WLTP for ID3
My son’s Model 3’s real world consumption os 10% better than the ID3 WLTP
We all know WLTP is 10-20% overstated.
So their efficiency, weight for weight, is crap
I did use ‘like for like’ cars so that must have some validity
Top spec ID.3 here 2024 model is 33904.34£ Top spec MG4 Xpower 28461.99£ Why on earth get the ID.3 when you can get 4 wheel drive madness almost 5k cheaper
I bought a used ID.3 1st Edition instead of a new MG4. The reality is that the MG4 is nowhere near as good inside, especially in the rear seats where we need good space and comfort for two adults.
Also, what is that ridiculous phone shelf all about and why did it not have a centre headrest in the rear?
Not a single second of regret.
They introduced a centre head rest in the 2023 model.
When I was looking for a EV last year the MG4 was the only one in my price range so I went for the SE long range, we love the car, there are one or two annoying things that would make it a better car. You need to set the driving modes every time you get in the car, the SE only has two speakers (front only)
None of those hold a candle to a pre owned Tesla Model 3. Storage space is huge for a saloon.
Not everyone finds the Model 3 to offer the practicality they need. It has no hatchback.....
And a hatchback?
Oh ... 🤔
The Model 3 is also a big car. Sometimes you want the smaller size.
No need for pre-owned, a new Model 3 RWD is under 40k ... comes with plently of bells and whistles, is quicker and more storage space despite the lack of hatch.
Wrong. Model 3 is outmoded. A toy car without much headroom.
I think your right and wrong. Granted 85% ppl.drive less than 40 miles a day...what percentage of ppl drive more than 100 miles once a week or once a fortnight. That's why ppl want a bigger battery
I would chose the ID.3, but that's mostly because I find the MG4 an ugly and cheap looking car. I'm a bit biased though, I have an ID.3 and I absolutely love it. Actually have no problem with the steering wheel controls, they work fine for me. I'm also very happy it does not have full one pedal driving, it makes it easier to drive in heavy traffic and park in reality.
Hi my UK friends. I have made a long comment in Spanish in another Spanish video.
Will be worth to you doing a Google translate of this:
COMENTARIOS SOBRE MG4 MODEL STANDARD DE 51Kw, el más barato.
Para comparar, pros que son en mi opinión de un coche de precio bastante o muy superior:
-Calidad de materiales,
-control desde el volante de audio, clima,
-Android auto
-Radar del ACC se ve chulo los coches camiones etc
-Radar de marcha atrás marca los cm... son detallitos que son de un precio superior, al igual que los siguientes:
-one pedal va de muerte
-V2L
-App que va bien
-Apertura sin llave fantástico de bien.
-Es de mayor tamaño al BYD
-Autonomía menor al BYD 350km que reales seran 290 Máximo, eso si 51Kwh LFP (tecnología que no se degrada casi y es más segura, además se puede cargar al 100%. OJO que el único MG4 con batería LFP es el modelo Standard) y consumos parecidos
-5 estrellas EURONCAP no como el Dacia que tiene una. Si te la pegas en un dacia se matan los ocupantes.
-la dirección en ACC no la mantiene pero la distancia y velocidad del ACC muy bien y a mi no le molesta en absoluto el mantenimiento de carril
-definitivamente ordenador de a bordo si que tiene
-comportamiento dinamico me encanta una pasada
-mucho pero mucho mas barato
-las señales solo se muestran en pantalla sin avisos sonoros
-aislamiento sonoro muy bien
-menus bien traducidos etc
Contras: pues es sencillo y en cosas se nota.
-el android auto va por cable y funciona pero sencillito. Si lo conecto antes de que se enciende la pantalla se me bloquea. Pero sabiéndolo... El Apple Car Play perfecto.
-El audio de altavoces es de calidad pésima
-El servicio técnico depende de dónde igual no te fíes, a mí a pesar de pedirlo no me llegó con la última versión de software.
- los elevalunas son eléctricos pero excepto el del conductor solo bajan automáticamente, para subir hay que mantener pulsado el botón.
-no hay luces de cortesia en la parte trasera
-Los retrovisores no son eléctricos
-Los protectores de sol (no sé cómo se llaman) de conductor y acompañante no tienen espejo ni luz al bajarlos.
Claro el navegador no calcula lo que le queda de batería y te dice dónde cargar, el mío no tiene, uso el Waze con android auto. Otros usan ABRP conectado con OBD II y parece que funciona.
EN RESUMEN: SI TE PONEN LAS ÚLTIMAS VERSIONES DE SOFTWARE ya depende de lo pijo/a que seas. Los pros y contras ya te los he dicho, depende de si son más o menos importantes para ti... teniendo en cuenta el precio yo personalmente encantadísimo.con el MG4 standard.
Astra/ Mg4 for me…. ID3 looks awful in the showroom without options.
Astra way below on this test. Massively overpriced and having that smaller battery is crazy. I have a Stellantis EV with this battery and you don’t get more than 200 miles range with it, less in winter. Poor effort.
Bring on BYD!!! Astra is soooo overpriced 😂 you can buy a good spec volvo xc30 or the new cupra born! You have to mad to spend that on the ID3 or Astra
Yes but because the Astra will depreciate most it will be best for value used
Seems a little odd to compare the pro ID.3 with the bigger battery, more powerful MG4 when there is an almost identical model from MG available.
Reckon that the MG was loaded to succeed in this review which is disappointing because Parkers is supposed to be neutral. Clearly I was wrong.
It was neutral: they compared PRICES like for like. This is what you get for the same money. The MG is just significantly better value.😊
You are indeed wrong, the review compared similar price cars not battery size or motor power.
Anything sold cheaply to undercut is inevitably going to win on a test based solely upon price. Sort of renders the whole test pointless.
Line up three cars: which is the cheapest? Winner !!!!!
On this basis why doesn't everybody drive an MG, shop at Aldi and wear Primark clothing?
Christ, has Loki lost his job/cloud
The ID 3 will never go anywhere near the 269 miles they claim . I have done 60 k miles on mine in all conditions & you will be lucky to get 200 miles
Could have given the conclusion, before I watched the video. European manufacturers need to do better...
Luke needs to talk slower.
"Definitely quicker on paper......"
What does that mean, exactly?
Definitely quicker?
Quicker on paper, but not in reality?
Or if you drive it on paper, it will go quicker?😂😂😂😂
The Astra should be ruled out . Lowest power, smallest battery. And more £££
ID3 as reviewed £43k???? I can get a new Tesla Model Y for £45k. The only thing that will save this car's sales is VW going broke giving them away on the finance. The Corsa starting at £43k as reviewed is also INSANE. However I have seen brand new Corsas on Autotrader for under £20k so worth having a look if you really must buy Vauxhall. Winner by a Country mile here is the MG. You would have to be out of your mind to consider anything else...
Why does the longhair chap have to shout
id3 love..best ev
Not even the best of these 3
they do know mg is chinese??
The Chinese Peoples Party subsidise the MG and other Chinese vehicles, which is not permitted in Europe due to competition regulation.
Both Europe and the USA are about to ramp up Import Duty on Chinese vehicles, then they won't be so competitive.
Whilst one might think this is a disadvantage to the consumer, it does protect thousands of jobs in Europe.
European countries are not permitted to subsidise the price of cars, so why should China be permitted to.
VW use recycled materials and its factory and supply chain are nett zero.
I wish you car journos would take into account the carbon footprint of cars.
Apart from the good work that VW has invested in, just look at the distance the MG has had to travel.
I would not buy a Chinese car for this reason and I much prefer the look of the ID.3 so I bought one.
Yet the European Union have been subsidising the car manufacturers by providing funds to build battery giggafactories in mainland Europe and did the uk government not provide funds to Nissan and if I am not mistaken JLR.
If I am not mistaken western manufacturers have cars made in China Why? because it is cheaper and then they ship cars back to the west at overinflated prices to make vast profits from the western consumers, and what utter nonsense VW and their supply chain is net zero
Why oh f'ing why are all headliners black now? Hire someone to design these things who isnt a divorced bloke hitting the gym again in his loft apartment 😒
Luke please talk slower, some of us aren't native English speakers and I'm not sure if you talk proper English.
The presenter talks far too quickly, calm down!!
The best? The one who is still "good" after 400 000km
They will succumb to rust long before 400,000km
The long haired guy talks like a horse race commentator... He needs to speak more slowly.
Please stop encouraging people to drive "enthusiastically".
It just makes them drive like idiots.
Without watching the video, I would choose MG4. Much better pricing. EV's are a full on scam, with prices. MG are nearer the working man's budget.
Would never dare to buy a Chinese car knowing how they cut corners at every stage, the culture is what it is… 🤷🏼♂️
I'll keep my 14 year old Golf Gti instead. I don't want range anxiety or depreciation depression. I value my mental health.
Yes, we kept our old Fiesta ... but bought EV and the Fiesta now has mice living in it because it's so rarely used!
But you do not value tthe health of vulnerable people hat you are poisoning witth ttour CO and NOx emissions righ now or of future generations who will have to live in a world made hotter by your CO2 emissions. People like you are always short termistt.
I will never buy a Chinese car - and my reasoning is political. Will support a regime like the Chinese one as little as possible - and that is almost impossible. But no reason to buy an entire car manufactured in unfair competition with state aid and suppression of the free speech and other rights we have in Europe.
How about a Chinese car sold to China by the British government? 😮
Our rights are slowly getting eroded in Europe, more like a dictatorship now
I still take ICE over these toasters
Because you've never driven one...
There's a guy where I work who was always very anti EV, a few months he had his car written off and I temporarily became his "work taxi" for a few months until he got a new car, after the few months of just being a passenger he totally changed his mind, still got a old petrol again (12 year old) though because that's all he could afford.
In that case you will me missing out on enjoyable cheap motoring. Used EV’s are such good value.
It's therefore rather sad to find that you are wasting your time looking at this video!
"Humble hatchback dominated by the EV powertrain". Complete tosh ! A waste of money, and thats even before you are hit by the depreciation. And god forbid you need to buy a new battery.
Buy pre-reg and reduce that depreciation hit. As for a new battery … it’ll likely outlive the rest of the car 🤷♂️
@@SusieSmart I partly agree. Saw an mx30 the other day. 3000 miles, one year old, £12995..£30,000 new.
@@kerryjones1508 Which is why you lease new and buy used.
@@kerryjones1508 probably because the MX-30 is a relatively crap EV.
Despite being an EV advocate, they have been too expensive and I believe these big discounts are really bringing them down to what they really should have been anyway.
I mean you could buy the MX-30 at the discount but that doesn’t then mean you’re gonna have to worry about a battery replacement.
@@kerryjones1508 pretty much the worst range in the industry, not a really a fair example to use
Some constructive criticism ----
Electric cars are rubbish