And then she’d try to convince you that those animals can, I fact, be vegan, too. 😂😂 hope she doesn’t have pets, she’d end up feeding her poor cats a vegan diet
Unfortunately they want to force carnivore animals to be vegan too. HUNDREDS of vegans have been arrested for starving their own pets (and kids) to death.
Sharks eat fish. Snakes eat mice. Cats eat birds. Lions eat zebras. How anyone misses the fact that lots of animals naturally eat other animals is beyond me. Sure, no animal WANTS to be eaten, but it's called the food chain.
I used the scientific method, I tried Veganism for 2-years, I was sick, starving, and failed. Tried Carnivore now for 8-months, lost 70 lbs, always full, and feel amazing. I will stick with what WORKS!
Wow, you used chemical warfare on yourself for 2 years? It's not your fault since everyone got brainwashed to believe consuming plants makes a person strong and healthy.
When we're young our bodies can take the abuse, it's only later in life that the damage comes ten times folded. Been vegan/vegetarian for a year, hair loss, joint pain, had no energy to even go out of my house. My knees were so weak it was scary. Muscle pain. Always irritated. Frequent migranes. The lion diet healed all that in just 2 weeks.@@Petunia-fl9lu
@@Petunia-fl9lu in Japan (Okinawa) and Sardinia (Italy) people eat literally everything and not so much meat. They have a world record of healthy centenaries. It's something about the place where they live, the product made from the soil (including the vegetables), the air, the animals, no sedentary lifestyle and DNA. So...whatever...
I managed to watch the whole painful interview. She swore, and screamed too much. You on the other hand, remained calm, and respectful. You never once, resorted to retuning her name calling, and slinging of accusations, and insults. After watching it, I respect, and admire you even more, Dr. Baker.❤️
LOL do you even know who Shawn Baker is??? His whole social media persona is built on childish mocking and belittling of vegans. When the same tactics are used on him, he turns to jelly.
Here in Germany many people know her from her controversial interviews. I've had conversations about her with some people and nobody was convinced by the way she made her arguments. Watching her, I often thought "is she an anti vegan psy-op?"🤣But in the end I agree with you Dr. Baker, she does not seem like a happy person and it's sad that her life is like that. In the end I don't think that she really cares about the animals because if she would, she'd present her arguments in a way that makes the person she's talking to feel respected. Often the cliché is just true: Carnivores are calm and relaxed and vegans are nervous and noisy. I wish the carnivore calmness to everyone. And if on top of that, we can even improve the way animal farming is done by having more pasture feeding and therefore more grass-fed beef all around the globe, even better.
It’s like playing chess with a pigeon. The pigeon will just walk (and s.hit) all over the board, knocking over the pieces and act as if it “won”. Same with these radicals who thing that yelling loudly and getting emotional adds validity to their argument.
@@Chooge lol yes she should definitely have a conversation with them, in fact all vegans should. I know for sure the avg human IQ would substantially be increased after this MEATing 😂
She does not accept lions' natural right to eat as they choose. She wishes to force the animal kingdom to live by her ideas. It's easy to be a hypocrite if you lack self awareness
Sorry Doc, I watch most of your stuff, but I'm gonna have to pass on the long vid with her, I could hardly get through the clips lol. If she is for real, she is totally unhinged.
If animals and humans are the same, animals would also have to abide by our laws. So if a seagull snatches the sandwich out of your hand, are we going to fine it for theft? How about if you get stung by a bee, is that considered assault? And if you casually walk through the park and somebody's dog starts barking at you, is that harassment in public?
She never said that animals and humans are the same: she wanted to answer him the question: what's the significant ethical difference that makes it ok to kill the one but not the other, he had no answer....
That interview was scary, I live in Germany and can very much say here you can get that crazy. Last week my son came back from the school and told me a video about eating less meat with some vegans screaming”poor animals” was shown to the whole class of teens (8th. Grade). 😮
Wie furchtbar, ihr armer Sohn, genau so Misanthrop verhalten sich idiologisch verpeilte Lehrer. Was machen die mit unseren Kindern .... Sie brechen sie
When I was in 9th grade, a history teacher played a vegan propaganda video about the poor practices of a certain slaughterhouse. He didn't even tell us that is what it was, though. I only made the connection later when I discovered that video made one of my classmates go vegan. Over the next few years of my friendship with that person I observed them become as abusive as the woman Shawn interviewed. Not just regarding vegan beliefs but in any of our interactions they became erratic, quick to anger, and demeaning. I didn't connect that change in personality to the diet until many years later. Sorry for the long story. I find it repulsive that teachers could play propaganda based on their personal beliefs to highly influencable school kids, and it seems like today it's a more commonly accepted occurrence.
I'm in Germany at the moment (from Australia). I see so much Vegan propaganda here it's crazy. All the ads I get online are vegan crap too. At least I'm getting fresh eggs from the farm and decent quality beef from the shop though. I've been off the Carnivore diet temporarily while I'm on holiday though because I love the beer over here and the ice cream haha
Dr. Baker. Been Carnivore since last August. I am 62 years old. I have always worked out with weights and HIT training. The results of Carnivore. Lost 10lbs went from 216 to 206. I am 6'2'' With that lost 4% body fat and put on 2lbs of muscle...at 62. Just got my blood work. Last year Cholesterol 256 HDL 66. Two days ago Cholesterol 222 HDL 76. All other numbers great. Meat, it what's for breakfast lunch and dinner!!!!!
I am very proud of you, Dr. Shawn Baker. My mind is blown away. You are what we cal a "Great Man". Everyone is infinitely precious, no matter how irritating they are.
People that anthropomorphize animals also remove themselves from the gene pool. Ohh, look at the cute bison/moose/bear...let's get a close up picture/video 😱
The social engineers are trying to take advantage of your emotional state. Just imagine what your emotional state would be in if you were post-apocalypse, living off-grid, with nothing to eat, starving for days, about to die from malnourishment. Imagine how your emotions would change from empathy/sympathy, to an entirely different mindset of top predator of the food chain in survival-mode. We rose to the top for a very good reason, which was pure hunting through tool-use. When in a jam, kill, cook, eat. It really is that easy for us, especially compared to foraging without proper knowledge of edible plants. It's not hard to use basic skills to trap, kill, skin, cook, and eat.
Even in the very short clips you posted here, which were painful to watch, it seemed like she has a certain relationship to the powers-that-be that could make her a bit dangerous if they decide to further reduce our living standards and need to conduct a crackdown. Never underestimate your opponent, even if she is bonkers!
ashamedly, I recognize that manic mind set. I had it for years thanks to over 4 decades of poor and detrimental nutritional advice that I took for truth. It wasn't until everyone sane and stable in my life started to avoid me that I looked at myself and made some deep seated wholesale changes to what I put in my mouth and my reaction in the moment.
I watched the entire thing. In my opinion, you won the "debate" because you were calm, patient, and respectful, while she was profane, insulting, and illogical.
Placing other species as equal to or higher than your own is the most sincere and revealing form of self-loathing imaginable. These people must be so miserable internally, regardless of the facade they display to the world.
Someone in the comments of one of the clips you put here criticized you saying like "you had no good points to respond to her with". From what you shared, I believe it 100%. You had no good points. Matter of fact, NO points at all. BECAUSE SHE WOULDN'T ALLOW YOU TO SPEAK! Like my lord... with her attitude, honestly it wouldn't matter if she verifiably 500% correct and justified in everything she said, her attitude alone is a mess.
A couple things that stood out to me was where she said she would stop a lion from killing another animal for food, and how there are vegan blends of dog/cat food - and she thinks that is perfectly reasonable. She was so fixated on finding a contradiction, but could not see what is contradicting about the way she claims she loves animals.
Cats (domesticated or wild, like a lion) are obligate carnivores. They need meat to survive. i hope she doesn't have a cat, because it doesn't sound like she'd give a pet cat food that contains meat.
I watched- but, that was a case of mental illness. There was so reasoning with her. I give accolades to you for not turning off your camera and ending this rant. You are, Dr Baker, a kind soul.
you are right in what you are doing shawn. there are truths in this world but most dont come to light but you are right with this truth. The beauty of truth is.... that it just is. simple and right and you are on the side of right. hope you keep going because you are doing great work when so many are not. The good doctor.
I couldn‘t do it Shawn,..lasted 2-3 minutes last evening and gave another 3 minutes today. Just can‘t ruin my whole day on such inane rambling. lol 🥩🥓🍳🧀💪
I stomached about 30 seconds of one of the short videos with her in it. Yikes! I was vegan for 33 years but never tried to force that choice on others. 1.5 years on carno and I'm finally getting healthy again.
Shawn, you were very stoical facing that sustained uncontrolled behaviour. I too like to see the best in people, but ... a lot of the heavy duty activists are actually deeply traumatised. Their lives are filled exchanging deeply disturbing animal cruelty material (I've actually known a few). Coupled with malnourished brains, it produces these very volatile emotional and mental states and counter productive clashes. It's not clear what the solution is, but it does seem that the outer reaches of this, and other polarising divisions, is populated with deeply troubled individuals. Why such behaviour is condoned or given political clout is also quite unfathomable.
Respect to you, sir. Class act. 👏🏻 I was just like her at one point (minus the prostitution). I was 7 years vegan and it does, in fact, make you misanthropic. It’s a life of misery and no one should live like that. Hopefully, she comes out the other side.
Raffaela clearly won the discussion. There is no valid argument against a vegan live. It’s the opposite: vegans are not cruel, are stronger and live longer. It’s never to late to go vegan
She never said that animals and humans are the same: she wanted to answer him the question: what's the significant ethical difference that makes it ok to kill the one but not the other, he had no answer....
Already all happening... Some quick examples... "Pets" are part of society... Service animals have jobs/work and contribute... Zoos are prisons for animals as are shelters both of which the prisoners committed with many im shelters getting the death penalty... ;-/
@@RaceLever that is metaphor. Human society is not. Do you have sex with animals also then? To be a part of society you need to have all the rights and obligations that stem from social contract. No being except for humans can partake in a human social contract. They would need to speak human language to understand all the complexities of human society and then do all the things and follow the rules that are required for a member of human society. Pets and service animals satisfy zero of those conditions. Both pets and service animals and food animals serve a purpose for humans. They are our toys or tools or food
@@matijagrguric6490 Vegans don't have sex with animals since that is nonVegan by default but unfortunately some of you nonVegans do and would impregnate them if you could and that's on top of if we ignore that they do impregnate animals with artificial insemination in some of your animal agriculture as standard practice... Um you also you aren't making sense with your no being can be part of society if they don't understand social contract... Are you claiming babies or severely mentally ill/handicapped people understand social contract or are you claiming they aren't part of society since according to you it would have to be one or the other.... Sentient beings aren't toys but what can I expect from someone who thinks mute humans who can't speak are somehow not part of society... Maybe next comment think more before you type.. ;-)
@@bendy6626 ... I see you also aren't nearly as sharp as you believe either and think babies and humans who can't speak either aren't part of society or somehow understand social contract and somehow speak human language... If that's what you call perfect logic and a perfect reply than I just feel sad for you since you're clearly don't grasp but either of those words mean yet you use them as if you do... Step it up people , so far all you're doing is choosing arrogance over actual intelligence and it's not a good look for you... For some reason you're patting each other on the back about it too, lol... ;-)
I’ve not listened to the video but I understand her as I was a former vegetarian very positioned & idealistic follower of 7th day recipes, Adelle Davis etc. but the stress & malnourished no red meat fuelled iron grew my illnesses with anger is powerlessness and obsessing about her rationale. It’s all negative energy. It isolates her terribly and the lack of fats for hormones hifting in menopause; I learned the hard way, thatll take your mental health, emotional, spiritual & bodily health down. She can only find her power by asking herself some tough honest questions & listening to experts & living proof. ❤
She had a moderated talk with Markus Rühl some months ago. That went a little bit more civilized, she has already made a step in the direction you predicted.
Shawn, she is not saying animals are the same as humans...all animals are different in certain ways. The idea of 'name the trait' is to show that the traits animals have that you deem make it acceptable to unalive them are not valid and do not hold up even under your own moral system.
All of Nature seems to seek the highest quality energy to survive. She seems blinded by her ideology (as I was at one time). Hope she recovers. Glad I did. Brazilian steak for the win!!
Tigers don't eat other tigers Humans don't eat other humans Gazelle does not get scared and run away from other Gazelles. Dogs react differently to other dogs then they do to humans. Every creature on earth recognize other creatures of the same specie. Animals don't see human as one of their own. Humans don't see other animals as one of their own. That does not mean human should not (or simply don't) be merciful for the animals and understand we took a life to feed ourselves. But vegans unfortunately do not understand its a necessity. My only problem with our modern way of "hunting" is that when everything is in the supermarket next to each other, meat becomes just another thing you can buy and we lose the appreciation of life and death.
@@julienfroidevaux1143 I raise animals to eat. I hunt animals to eat. You hunt for veges in the supermarket. You dream of being strong and healthy but your cult won't allow you to leave. Remember this comment when you get older and weaker.
yep - more sad than anything. love to see a reasonable discussion with a reasonable vegan or maybe just a plant based advocate who knows what DISCUSSION means.
If animals are the same as humans, then humans get to be the same as animals. Animals eat animals, so it follows that humans would be eating animals as well.
God created man and woman in His image, not the rest of the animal kingdom. We humans are very different...though there are some things that are like, because we have one creator.
Managed to get through most of it, was difficult lol But yeah, she seems quite intelligent, unfortunately being bat shit crazy kinda nullifies that. She just needed to be right sooo bad, it was painful to watch. Definately felt sorry for where she's headed.
After the first couple of minutes, I jumped forward through the video to see if she calmed down and made any sense. Nope, the whole thing was a big shit show.
I watched a couple of the clips. She was a hysterical, shrill, screeching, looney toon. I couldn't understand what she was saying and frankly don't want to. She's ineffective as a speaker. I won't be watching the full interview. I commend you on your patience. Better luck on your next interviews.
Even if animals and people ARE the same, it doesn't mean the circle of life stops. There are prey animals and predators. Humans are the apex predator. She just needs to grow up.
She destroyed Shawn, because he doesnt have the skills, he is not well versed in philosophy. Watch the Jordan Peterson vs Sam Harris convo 1 and 2 and that gives you an idea of what level of sophistication and nuance is needed. I would say that indeed its possible to try to make this debate short, you can be moral anti realist, non cognitivist and from there her points become a lot weaker. Basically generally speaking we dont eat other creatures if we can communicate well enough to have a fruitful relationship. If there is a possibility of this than its probably not a good idea to kill the other. In short Shawn was probably right but he doesnt have the skills needed to put his thoughts into words.
Once I realize someone is crazy I disengage...
So if animals and humans are the same, then we can be like Lions and eat carnivore...
Oh I like this one. 👍
And then she’d try to convince you that those animals can, I fact, be vegan, too. 😂😂 hope she doesn’t have pets, she’d end up feeding her poor cats a vegan diet
Maybe start with the angry vegan.
Unfortunately they want to force carnivore animals to be vegan too.
HUNDREDS of vegans have been arrested for starving their own pets (and kids) to death.
@@Bamboosh00ts vegan cats was one of the chapters of the video. I just couldn't go there.
Her logic is flawed. Animals eat other animals for food. It's the most natural thing in the world.
Vegans literally want to force carnivore animals to be herbivores. They're INSANE.
You nailed it ! ! !
Far more species eat other species than are vegan.
What logic?
I don't even know what her logic is/was. I couldn't stand listening to her for more than a few minutes.
Sharks eat fish. Snakes eat mice. Cats eat birds. Lions eat zebras. How anyone misses the fact that lots of animals naturally eat other animals is beyond me. Sure, no animal WANTS to be eaten, but it's called the food chain.
I used the scientific method, I tried Veganism for 2-years, I was sick, starving, and failed. Tried Carnivore now for 8-months, lost 70 lbs, always full, and feel amazing. I will stick with what WORKS!
Wow, you used chemical warfare on yourself for 2 years? It's not your fault since everyone got brainwashed to believe consuming plants makes a person strong and healthy.
I got sick on vegan as well. we are all different there is on one diet for all or for all phases and ages of life.
When we're young our bodies can take the abuse, it's only later in life that the damage comes ten times folded. Been vegan/vegetarian for a year, hair loss, joint pain, had no energy to even go out of my house. My knees were so weak it was scary. Muscle pain. Always irritated. Frequent migranes. The lion diet healed all that in just 2 weeks.@@Petunia-fl9lu
@@Petunia-fl9lu in Japan (Okinawa) and Sardinia (Italy) people eat literally everything and not so much meat. They have a world record of healthy centenaries. It's something about the place where they live, the product made from the soil (including the vegetables), the air, the animals, no sedentary lifestyle and DNA.
So...whatever...
_“Never interfere with an enemy in the process of destroying itself.”_
- Napoleon
Your patience was amazing Shawn. It was a difficult hour to listen too.
She was very irritating. I could not listen to the extended videos, just the clips were all I could handle.
More UA-cam shorts might be entertaining, but I don’t have the patience to sit through much of her nonsense
She annoyed me so much ...I couldn't watch over 5mins...Poor deluded child
I managed to watch the whole painful interview. She swore, and screamed too much. You on the other hand, remained calm, and respectful. You never once, resorted to retuning her name calling, and slinging of accusations, and insults. After watching it, I respect, and admire you even more, Dr. Baker.❤️
I watched it all & lost some malfunctioning brain cells made from the plants I used to eat.
No real loss.
LOL do you even know who Shawn Baker is??? His whole social media persona is built on childish mocking and belittling of vegans. When the same tactics are used on him, he turns to jelly.
She should start with getting lions and bears to stop eating other animals, then if successful talk to humans
I wish her luck in pulling a polar bear away from its kill, or coercing a pod of orcas not to play volleyball with a long-dead seal........
Here in Germany many people know her from her controversial interviews. I've had conversations about her with some people and nobody was convinced by the way she made her arguments. Watching her, I often thought "is she an anti vegan psy-op?"🤣But in the end I agree with you Dr. Baker, she does not seem like a happy person and it's sad that her life is like that. In the end I don't think that she really cares about the animals because if she would, she'd present her arguments in a way that makes the person she's talking to feel respected. Often the cliché is just true: Carnivores are calm and relaxed and vegans are nervous and noisy. I wish the carnivore calmness to everyone. And if on top of that, we can even improve the way animal farming is done by having more pasture feeding and therefore more grass-fed beef all around the globe, even better.
Wonderfully expressed. 👏🇦🇺
Being that angry is not good for your health. Your sympathetic nervous system in overdrive all the time. Not good.
God bless you Dr Shawn ❤
Shawn Baker M.D. The best way to win an argument with those people is to stay calm and let them expose themselves for what they are.
Once you lose your temper you've lost.
It’s like playing chess with a pigeon. The pigeon will just walk (and s.hit) all over the board, knocking over the pieces and act as if it “won”. Same with these radicals who thing that yelling loudly and getting emotional adds validity to their argument.
@@KayFabe87 Changing the rules because they're loosing the game. Like lawyers they are trained to change the narrative because you tell the truth.
Their hypotheticals make me nuts.
But I can handle it since I'm 99% carnivore.
You can be against animal abuse or a carnist you can't be both , unless you are a du lo lo carnist .
Which one are you ?
I'm impressed with your patience! could not watch her for 20s.
I hope she gets the emotional and mental treatment she needs.
Yeah, it's called eating some meat!!!
FATTY MEAT!!!
Yea when you can’t carry a civil conversation then you’re not worth listening to. That chick was crazy asf.
I was waiting for her to superglue herself to the floor.
I do wonder how she would stop lion's from eating meat in their natural habitat? She mentioned that she doesn't like it...
She would go pet it and give it a sweet lecture on not eating the other innocent animals. In fact, I encourage her to do so.
@@Chooge lol yes she should definitely have a conversation with them, in fact all vegans should. I know for sure the avg human IQ would substantially be increased after this MEATing 😂
She does not accept lions' natural right to eat as they choose. She wishes to force the animal kingdom to live by her ideas. It's easy to be a hypocrite if you lack self awareness
Sorry Doc, I watch most of your stuff, but I'm gonna have to pass on the long vid with her, I could hardly get through the clips lol. If she is for real, she is totally unhinged.
If animals and humans are the same, animals would also have to abide by our laws. So if a seagull snatches the sandwich out of your hand, are we going to fine it for theft? How about if you get stung by a bee, is that considered assault? And if you casually walk through the park and somebody's dog starts barking at you, is that harassment in public?
Can we be like them with a full on victim mentality and say the dog barking at us in the park was in fact se×uaI harassment?
What if someones dog starts humping your leg?
Ever watch the seagull eat a squirrel?
She never said that animals and humans are the same: she wanted to answer him the question: what's the significant ethical difference that makes it ok to kill the one but not the other, he had no answer....
Nobody ever said humans and animals are the same.
That interview was scary, I live in Germany and can very much say here you can get that crazy. Last week my son came back from the school and told me a video about eating less meat with some vegans screaming”poor animals” was shown to the whole class of teens (8th. Grade). 😮
Wie furchtbar, ihr armer Sohn, genau so Misanthrop verhalten sich idiologisch verpeilte Lehrer. Was machen die mit unseren Kindern .... Sie brechen sie
When I was in 9th grade, a history teacher played a vegan propaganda video about the poor practices of a certain slaughterhouse. He didn't even tell us that is what it was, though. I only made the connection later when I discovered that video made one of my classmates go vegan. Over the next few years of my friendship with that person I observed them become as abusive as the woman Shawn interviewed. Not just regarding vegan beliefs but in any of our interactions they became erratic, quick to anger, and demeaning. I didn't connect that change in personality to the diet until many years later.
Sorry for the long story. I find it repulsive that teachers could play propaganda based on their personal beliefs to highly influencable school kids, and it seems like today it's a more commonly accepted occurrence.
I'm in Germany at the moment (from Australia). I see so much Vegan propaganda here it's crazy. All the ads I get online are vegan crap too. At least I'm getting fresh eggs from the farm and decent quality beef from the shop though. I've been off the Carnivore diet temporarily while I'm on holiday though because I love the beer over here and the ice cream haha
I would consider propaganda directing children into a lifestyle of malnutrition to be child abuse.
They need to keep their agenda out of our youths' educational system, wow.
Dr Baker.. it was painful to watch her. She appeared mentally unbalanced
Like most of the vegans commenting on this channel
More proof of the link between plants and mental disorders..
Imbalanced is putting it mildly...😁
Excellent display of wisdom.
Wasn't a debate though, just her vocals.
Dr. Baker. Been Carnivore since last August. I am 62 years old. I have always worked out with weights and HIT training. The results of Carnivore. Lost 10lbs went from 216 to 206. I am 6'2'' With that lost 4% body fat and put on 2lbs of muscle...at 62. Just got my blood work. Last year Cholesterol 256 HDL 66. Two days ago Cholesterol 222 HDL 76. All other numbers great. Meat, it what's for breakfast lunch and dinner!!!!!
I am very proud of you, Dr. Shawn Baker. My mind is blown away. You are what we cal a "Great Man". Everyone is infinitely precious, no matter how irritating they are.
People that anthropomorphize animals also remove themselves from the gene pool. Ohh, look at the cute bison/moose/bear...let's get a close up picture/video 😱
Sad but true...
The social engineers are trying to take advantage of your emotional state. Just imagine what your emotional state would be in if you were post-apocalypse, living off-grid, with nothing to eat, starving for days, about to die from malnourishment. Imagine how your emotions would change from empathy/sympathy, to an entirely different mindset of top predator of the food chain in survival-mode. We rose to the top for a very good reason, which was pure hunting through tool-use. When in a jam, kill, cook, eat. It really is that easy for us, especially compared to foraging without proper knowledge of edible plants. It's not hard to use basic skills to trap, kill, skin, cook, and eat.
7 days without beef makes one weak.
Want to have a laugh ? Our resident vegan cultist Julien Fraudulent is in the chat.
So if humans and the animals are the same, does that mean we need to start charging lions for murdering gazelle and lock them up for life?
Yes yes we should .
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Why not watch the debate instead of saying absurd things .
Even in the very short clips you posted here, which were painful to watch, it seemed like she has a certain relationship to the powers-that-be that could make her a bit dangerous if they decide to further reduce our living standards and need to conduct a crackdown. Never underestimate your opponent, even if she is bonkers!
One minute of listening to her was a life time.
I can't even imagine waisting my time watching it for even one minuite.
ashamedly, I recognize that manic mind set. I had it for years thanks to over 4 decades of poor and detrimental nutritional advice that I took for truth. It wasn't until everyone sane and stable in my life started to avoid me that I looked at myself and made some deep seated wholesale changes to what I put in my mouth and my reaction in the moment.
I watched the entire thing. In my opinion, you won the "debate" because you were calm, patient, and respectful, while she was profane, insulting, and illogical.
You handled her well Doc, good job! The woman however is bat sh!t crazy!
I feel sorry for her. It must be difficult to function and think rationally without any nutrition for her brain.
It was tough and sad to listen to her. But THANK YOU for interviewing her. Even in disagreement the lines of "communication" need to stay open.
As Ron White puts it "You can't fix stupid. Stupid is forever." She was wayyyyy out there.
I'm fixing my stupid with fatty meat.
Placing other species as equal to or higher than your own is the most sincere and revealing form of self-loathing imaginable. These people must be so miserable internally, regardless of the facade they display to the world.
if I found myself spending time listening to her I would have a severe word with myself in the mirror.
Someone in the comments of one of the clips you put here criticized you saying like "you had no good points to respond to her with".
From what you shared, I believe it 100%. You had no good points. Matter of fact, NO points at all. BECAUSE SHE WOULDN'T ALLOW YOU TO SPEAK!
Like my lord... with her attitude, honestly it wouldn't matter if she verifiably 500% correct and justified in everything she said, her attitude alone is a mess.
A couple things that stood out to me was where she said she would stop a lion from killing another animal for food, and how there are vegan blends of dog/cat food - and she thinks that is perfectly reasonable. She was so fixated on finding a contradiction, but could not see what is contradicting about the way she claims she loves animals.
Cats (domesticated or wild, like a lion) are obligate carnivores. They need meat to survive. i hope she doesn't have a cat, because it doesn't sound like she'd give a pet cat food that contains meat.
I watched- but, that was a case of mental illness. There was so reasoning with her. I give accolades to you for not turning off your camera and ending this rant. You are, Dr Baker, a kind soul.
you are right in what you are doing shawn. there are truths in this world but most dont come to light but you are right with this truth. The beauty of truth is.... that it just is. simple and right and you are on the side of right. hope you keep going because you are doing great work when so many are not. The good doctor.
Yeah man I couldn't really get through that at all, too painful to watch
I checked out the podcast...I didn't last 5 seconds
Not very long.
I couldn‘t do it Shawn,..lasted 2-3 minutes last evening and gave another 3 minutes today. Just can‘t ruin my whole day on such inane rambling. lol 🥩🥓🍳🧀💪
I stomached about 30 seconds of one of the short videos with her in it. Yikes! I was vegan for 33 years but never tried to force that choice on others. 1.5 years on carno and I'm finally getting healthy again.
As I tapped out after three minutes I said to myself how in the hell did Doc make it an hour. Enjoy the steak and crab, you earned it.
My wife has a doctor that recently went vegan. I told him That I was sorry he did that.
Shawn, you were very stoical facing that sustained uncontrolled behaviour. I too like to see the best in people, but ... a lot of the heavy duty activists are actually deeply traumatised. Their lives are filled exchanging deeply disturbing animal cruelty material (I've actually known a few). Coupled with malnourished brains, it produces these very volatile emotional and mental states and counter productive clashes. It's not clear what the solution is, but it does seem that the outer reaches of this, and other polarising divisions, is populated with deeply troubled individuals. Why such behaviour is condoned or given political clout is also quite unfathomable.
Are you talking about the girl with the cow head band?
Yes, the woman with the cow ears.
I couldn't make it through the whole video. I felt like I was watching mental illness in action. Kudos to you for your patience.
Respect to you, sir. Class act. 👏🏻 I was just like her at one point (minus the prostitution). I was 7 years vegan and it does, in fact, make you misanthropic. It’s a life of misery and no one should live like that. Hopefully, she comes out the other side.
She seemed very manic.
Raffaela clearly won the discussion. There is no valid argument against a vegan live. It’s the opposite: vegans are not cruel, are stronger and live longer. It’s never to late to go vegan
She never said that animals and humans are the same: she wanted to answer him the question: what's the significant ethical difference that makes it ok to kill the one but not the other, he had no answer....
So I guess animals can be part of our society. They can work and cobtribute but also go to jail and we can also have babies with them
Already all happening... Some quick examples...
"Pets" are part of society... Service animals have jobs/work and contribute... Zoos are prisons for animals as are shelters both of which the prisoners committed with many im shelters getting the death penalty... ;-/
@@RaceLever that is metaphor. Human society is not. Do you have sex with animals also then? To be a part of society you need to have all the rights and obligations that stem from social contract. No being except for humans can partake in a human social contract. They would need to speak human language to understand all the complexities of human society and then do all the things and follow the rules that are required for a member of human society. Pets and service animals satisfy zero of those conditions. Both pets and service animals and food animals serve a purpose for humans. They are our toys or tools or food
@@matijagrguric6490 Perfect reply and logic. Pity that it will be wasted on the thought-free vegan zones ...
@@matijagrguric6490 Vegans don't have sex with animals since that is nonVegan by default but unfortunately some of you nonVegans do and would impregnate them if you could and that's on top of if we ignore that they do impregnate animals with artificial insemination in some of your animal agriculture as standard practice...
Um you also you aren't making sense with your no being can be part of society if they don't understand social contract... Are you claiming babies or severely mentally ill/handicapped people understand social contract or are you claiming they aren't part of society since according to you it would have to be one or the other....
Sentient beings aren't toys but what can I expect from someone who thinks mute humans who can't speak are somehow not part of society... Maybe next comment think more before you type.. ;-)
@@bendy6626 ... I see you also aren't nearly as sharp as you believe either and think babies and humans who can't speak either aren't part of society or somehow understand social contract and somehow speak human language...
If that's what you call perfect logic and a perfect reply than I just feel sad for you since you're clearly don't grasp but either of those words mean yet you use them as if you do...
Step it up people , so far all you're doing is choosing arrogance over actual intelligence and it's not a good look for you... For some reason you're patting each other on the back about it too, lol... ;-)
It was NOT WATCHABLE NOT WATCHABLE NOT WATCHABLE SHAWN! NOT WATCHABLE NOT WATCHABLE NOT WATCHABLE (takes breath) NOT WATCHABLE NOT WATCHABLE…
Did you debate at James Aspey??
I’ve not listened to the video but I understand her as I was a former vegetarian very positioned & idealistic follower of 7th day recipes, Adelle Davis etc. but the stress & malnourished no red meat fuelled iron grew my illnesses with anger is powerlessness and obsessing about her rationale. It’s all negative energy. It isolates her terribly and the lack of fats for hormones hifting in menopause; I learned the hard way, thatll take your mental health, emotional, spiritual & bodily health down. She can only find her power by asking herself some tough honest questions & listening to experts & living proof. ❤
Thinking that the veganism drove her to craziness.
You're doing a great job!
If she was disrespectful and rude to you, then I hope she continues on her vegan path, as she deserves it.
I could barely watch 1 minute to be honest. The saying "you catch more flies with honey" is lost on these people.
She had a moderated talk with Markus Rühl some months ago. That went a little bit more civilized, she has already made a step in the direction you predicted.
I managed 14:53
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Pretty sad actually. Just hope she finds something good in life.
Shawn, she is not saying animals are the same as humans...all animals are different in certain ways. The idea of 'name the trait' is to show that the traits animals have that you deem make it acceptable to unalive them are not valid and do not hold up even under your own moral system.
3:15 is all I could take......
Yeah felt like I was there.
All of Nature seems to seek the highest quality energy to survive. She seems blinded by her ideology (as I was at one time). Hope she recovers. Glad I did. Brazilian steak for the win!!
The misanthropic thing is absolutely true. It's really bad.
I managed to get through about 8 mins Doc.....I did my best
I started listening and lasted about 5 minutes
I tried to watch. It was wretched. I could not watch.
Debate dr Longo UA-cam veggie
Tigers don't eat other tigers
Humans don't eat other humans
Gazelle does not get scared and run away from other Gazelles.
Dogs react differently to other dogs then they do to humans.
Every creature on earth recognize other creatures of the same specie.
Animals don't see human as one of their own. Humans don't see other animals as one of their own.
That does not mean human should not (or simply don't) be merciful for the animals and understand we took a life to feed ourselves.
But vegans unfortunately do not understand its a necessity.
My only problem with our modern way of "hunting" is that when everything is in the supermarket next to each other, meat becomes just another thing you can buy and we lose the appreciation of life and death.
Thats not true there are a lot of species that kill each other.
@@AE_CC_-TutorialsLet them revel in their carnist de Lu Lu .
@@julienfroidevaux1143 I raise animals to eat. I hunt animals to eat. You hunt for veges in the supermarket. You dream of being strong and healthy but your cult won't allow you to leave. Remember this comment when you get older and weaker.
@@julienfroidevaux1143Cain the first murderer was a plant based advocate😂
The only way to fix stupid is by eating animal based saturated fats...period.
She should read Pottengers Cats study.
YES or NO
Yes or no, yes or no, yes or no, yes or no, yes or no ....
Fixed it for ya 😂
Yes, fatty animal meat can heal many brain issues.
No, I am not a cow, I am a human.
Well wishes, click.✌️😁👍
yep - more sad than anything. love to see a reasonable discussion with a reasonable vegan or maybe just a plant based advocate who knows what DISCUSSION means.
If animals are the same as humans, then humans get to be the same as animals. Animals eat animals, so it follows that humans would be eating animals as well.
Kudos to you Shawn. Impossible to watch that lunatic.
God created man and woman in His image, not the rest of the animal kingdom. We humans are very different...though there are some things that are like, because we have one creator.
G also told us humo must be condemned to death by us .
Sick , just like carnism .
Rational people reject G and carnism .😊
G also told us humo must be condemned to death by us .
Sick , just like carnism .
Rational people reject G and carnism .😊
G also told us humo must be condemned to death by us .
Sick , just like carnism .
Rational people reject G and carnism .😊
REEEEE+ Carbs are bad, m'kay?
I lasted way less than 5 minutes. Maybe 2 minutes. That’s all the time I was willing to spend on her.
Just Say ... I identify as a carnivore. Check Mate. MIC DROP. BUH BYE
Didn’t last 5min it was to painful listening to her😂
Managed to get through most of it, was difficult lol
But yeah, she seems quite intelligent, unfortunately being bat shit crazy kinda nullifies that.
She just needed to be right sooo bad, it was painful to watch.
Definately felt sorry for where she's headed.
This is your brain on plants!
After the first couple of minutes, I jumped forward through the video to see if she calmed down and made any sense. Nope, the whole thing was a big shit show.
I watched a couple of the clips. She was a hysterical, shrill, screeching, looney toon. I couldn't understand what she was saying and frankly don't want to. She's ineffective as a speaker. I won't be watching the full interview. I commend you on your patience. Better luck on your next interviews.
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Sir I couldn’t listen for more than 60 seconds, sorry
OK I tried.
No need to wish her ill, as these people, people like this sow the seed to their own destruction...
I watched the first five minutes and couldn’t go on! I was a vegan and I know how deranged it makes you become.
No. I've seen clips and I nearly closed out of clips because of her screeching
Even if animals and people ARE the same, it doesn't mean the circle of life stops.
There are prey animals and predators. Humans are the apex predator. She just needs to grow up.
She destroyed Shawn, because he doesnt have the skills, he is not well versed in philosophy.
Watch the Jordan Peterson vs Sam Harris convo 1 and 2 and that gives you an idea of what level of sophistication and nuance is needed.
I would say that indeed its possible to try to make this debate short, you can be moral anti realist, non cognitivist and from there her points become a lot weaker. Basically generally speaking we dont eat other creatures if we can communicate well enough to have a fruitful relationship. If there is a possibility of this than its probably not a good idea to kill the other.
In short Shawn was probably right but he doesnt have the skills needed to put his thoughts into words.