I got the 16GB ram 1TB Mac mini for the flexibility, whether it’s on my desk or connected to my TV as a media center, I think the Mac mini will age better as you can always update the screen.
Same here, I have the base with 16Gb. If I did not already have a monitor(s) I would consider the iMac, I use dual 34" ultrawide and my kids have dual 24" dells, one of them is from 2006. Once the M2 mini is out I will buy one and the M1 mini will go to the kids.
Agree, if I were buying a new Mac, I'd so similar. With the mini you can upgrade monitor and keyboard - Apple keyboard is ok-ish, but its not HHKB (Topre switch)/Filco quality. And monitor - I think again, there are alternatives out and you can choose the budget to suit what you need.
You missed the most important difference and best reason for mini. I’ve got Mac mini ($650) with 28in 4K display ($350) and love it. I already own a keyboard, mouse and wired speakers that cost $30 but sound fantastic. Now I can upgrade my computer every 2 years no problem. This is the real benefit to mini vs. iMac. I sell my mini on eBay in 2 years for $300-350 and get the newest one. In the end I’m going to be spending $125-175 per yr and never having outdated hardware. Honestly, my Netflix now cost more than that. Previously, I would buy an iMac and wait 4-6yr because it’s another chunk of money to replace; staying miserable with slower computer for the last of those years. Mini FTW!
@@obscvre let’s say the depreation value is 40% (just an example, no idea what it really is), 40% of 1300 is a lot more than 40% of $650. For your argument, you’d have to prove that for some reason they lost value at much grater rates from each other. I’m just going to guess losing a percentage of a more expensive initial item is always going to end up costing more than taking depreciation value of an item with cheaper up front cost.
@@TheGreatestJuJu So you're not upgrading your monitor at all in those two year? Okay, maybe it's not a big deal over the span of a couple years, but eventually you're going to be buying a new monitor, which isn't cheap if you're buying one on par with the quality of an iMac monitor. A 27" 5k monitor is easily going to run you over a grand, regardless of the brand. Your comparison isn't exactly apples to apples when you leave out the cost of a new monitor. Maybe a good monitor isn't essential for what you use your computer for, but for a lot of people who use Macs, the quality of the monitor is important (photography, videography, graphic design, etc.)
@@brandonb.5304 The next monitor I upgrade to won’t even be a monitor but some version of VR or AR, 6-8 years from now. I believe 4k is future proof enough for the majority of casual users, you know the ones the iMac and Mini where designed for. If you are a professional in the visual arts and need fancier than that, you’re probably also a user that wants more than 27in (and more ram) or are into having the greatest tech which also isn’t 5k. Not only was I literally comparing Apples to Apples but figuratively comparing two products that offer almost completely identical performance, however, also have small caveats in the window dressings (accessories), by definition most would consider this an apples to apples comparison.
@@brandonb.5304 also that 28" 4k monitor must either be a heck of a deal or just far from apples standards in display quality. But i guess the nem imac did decrease in quality, back in the days a 27 inch model with 5k monitor was a bang for the buck considering the included screen, now the 24 inch 4,5k screen doesnt get my interest at all. i hope they someday announce a 27 inch 5k model with m1x and more than 2 ports on the back and the old design , i'd buy that. if they put the 24 inch design on the 27" machine i'll probably buy the cheapest mac mini and a monitor from a company that is not apple. i think the energy efficiency of the m1 is the only argurment pro apple atm. they deliver no ports, have always had trashy thermals, no right to repair and made it impossible to upgrade resulting in a planed absolescence with produces huge amounts of e-waste while same time greenwashing their company in the ads. Apple gone downhill since Tim.
I was determined to wait for the new iMac and then I broke down and bought the M1 Mac Mini last year...best decision ever. More connections. Less room. And I got a wonderful monitor that I can ALSO plug my PS4 into.
One of the huge positives that I don't think the M1 is getting enough coverage on is legacy hardware support. I bought the M1 mac mini and plugged it right into my thunderbolt display. From there, I plugged in my 14-year-old firewire RME audio interface, which works perfectly. From there, I plug in my guitar pedal board switcher via 5-pin MIDI. I can modify patches on my board seamlessly.
@@davidhunternyc1 for sure, repairs on an m1 machine :D like thats my main concern. i personally dont use products apart from their phones from later than 2012 because those you could upgrade and repair yourselfs. i dont think apples new ecosystem is in any way going to reduce the amount of absolutely needlessly produced ewaste. id rather think if their really energy efficient arm based system is changing the market , we as the consumers are all fucked. as soon as they've got their monopoly m1 macs will be 4 times the price and there will be no alternative. ram upgrades will stay the same since they literally are already just the biggest rip offs imaginable. hell even the 2019 imac was user upgradeable with the ram supporting up to 128 gigs just by opening a door on the back, and even cpu gpu and storage could be exchanged by professionals or by urself if ur tech-savy. if a part broke u could replace it even though apple has gone in the anti consumer no repair direction since steve died, but there always was like a certain line the couldnt cross because it wasnt their hardware. they couldnt physically limit all the users possibilities at the same time. with arm in their back they now chose if your imac or mac mini is going to be obsolete tomorrow while maybe at least ur ipad powered by the same chip stays supported
The thing is that a display like the m1 iMac is really good. Finding something similar for the price difference of the Mac mini and iMac. Finding a good display even at 1K is hard for content creators.
Yes, but it depends on your needs. I have a 34" QHD curved ultra wide. I do music production I dont need the colors to be good, or the display to be top notch. It all comes down to your needs
On the other hand If you have a separate display, you can reuse it on a future computer, without having to buy a whole new monitor. So upfront can be a bit more expensive but in the long run it is pretty good
No way I'll pay double! I *_never_* use a display, keyboard, mouse, speakers, microphone or camera! I stick my Mac mini on my desk, and it is the PERFECT drink coaster!
You are a really good speaker / presenter. …Clear voice, great rate of speech, no detectable regional accent. You come off as being earnest and enthusiastic. Cheers!
@@Amplified435 When you speak General American English (perceived as without regional markers and the most common American accent), you are a more effective communicator to a broader audience in America and around the world. Accents that significantly diverge from GAE are widely less normalized and are a minor distraction from speech content; the brain must spend more space and power to parse a less-familiar dialect. General American is more easily accessible to all audiences especially when clear communication of information is the most important factor.
One thing I do like about the mini is I can literally go to a friends house and with an HDMI connect to a TV in their house, not perfect but nice bridge between laptop and desktop. That iMac is some nice though.
My 2011 27" iMac display stopped working with the only solution is bringing that behemoth to a service center. The fact that a 10 year old computer still ran great made it easy on my decision on which computer I will be getting. I went to Apples website with the intent to purchase another 27" iMac, until I saw Mac Mini featured on the homepage. After a bit of research, I decided to get the M1, 16GB ram version. I bought a Dell 27" monitor, speakers and USB hub. I already have a perfectly working magic keyboard and mouse. So in total, I saved a whole bunch of $$. After 2 months of usage (web, streaming, music) I am very happy with the Mac Mini M1.
Most people already have a monitor, keyboard, and mouse from older devices. So the M1 Mac Mini makes more sense for me. But if you really want everything brand new and in the same package, the new M1 iMac looks great.
It depends what you need, I feel like the iMac is good for like a college student because everything is included, but at the same time, they would most likely opt for the MBP or the MBA
My biggest gripe with the new iMac is the i/o. The new iMac should have had the same I/O as the Mac mini even if it means making the computer a little bit thicker and heavier. Thin and light does not matter for a desktop since it just sits on a desk.
7:37 “This obviously isn’t apples to apples” The irony in that statement is hilarious to me because it is literally a comparison of one Apple to another Apple lol
I managed to get: - M1 Mac Mini (16GB / 256GB) - Apple Creation Suite (FCP, Motion, etc) - Samsung 32" UHD Monitor - Magic Keyboard and Trackpad - Logitech 1080p Webcam ...for £1229 ($1739) in total. And yet the same spec iMac (with a smaller 24" screen) would come to £1649 ($2333) without even considering FCP, Motion etc as separate purchases. If you play it smart and get all the components seperatley like I did, then you can save hundreds and still have a larger screen to use. The M1 Mac Mini is amazing value, and the iMac machines as a let down in comparison in my opinion.
I think that the Mac Mini is definitely better as you have the choice of the accessories you use. It’s much more functional and optional. The screen is the biggest thing, I could imagine a lot of people don’t like the iMac screens and would prefer something more gamer like in all ways.
Remember the added cost of the Space Gray keyboard/mouse/trackpad over the silver magic accessories not counting the TouchID! So at least $20 more per each for a colored iMac model!
Its an easy choice of if you need that screen or not, I have a 27" 5k iMac but needed a 2nd unit, I was originally going for the mini and an external monitor as was concerned the 24" would be to small, but out of impulse I still went for the 24" and I am enjoying the 24" screen and don't miss the larger screen, obviously this depends on the users needs for how much screen they need. all the best to you.
Well thank you! As a two screen user, I won’t feel that I’ve missed out with the Mac Mini we’ve been enjoying since earlier this year. We did have to buy a camcorder though, for Zoom - and a dongle for the 2nd screen to the iMac mini. We already had screens, keypad and mouse from our old windows desktop, and the Mac mini is completely fine with 3rd party accessories. The kids would love the iMac though, which would be perfect for them... one day.
@Chris right but 50 dollars on a cheap camera and a dongle for the mac mini is way different then a few hundred dollar difference for the imac. and if they had bought the imac they still would’ve needed a usb hub (assuming that the keyboard and mouse are wireless) so it’s really no big deal ?
@Chris yeah i said cheap so what lol? with all that in total it’s still less than even the base model of an imac. and you can have a bigger screen as well. you’re mega weird for getting upset bc people don’t want to spend 1200-2000 dollars on a computer when they can get it for 700 lol, people are right you apple fanboys are crazy no logic in sight 💀
Part of the value of the mini is that, unless it's your first computer, you are quite likely to already have some of the things already. I already had two 1440p monitors so I just needed to buy one cable and another keyboard. I've plugged my midi controller in, it just worked, I plugged my external DAC/Headphone amp in, and it just worked as did my USB speakers and my USB capture card. One of my monitors had a usb 3 hub built in, so I attached an external SSD. Magnificent system, and totally quiet.
Just love my Mac mini it’s mostly being used for Adobe illustrator and it works as a breach 👍 and that for a 16gb 512 memory, coming from 25 years off pc I just love it and don’t miss windows I am a 🍏 fanboy
Coming from an old 21.5 imac my new Imac is amazing and makes sense for me. The screen just amazing I love the all in one. The new design is just beautiful to me. It fits into a family setting better and has that retro G3 feel.
Another thing to note: the iMac monitor is not height-adjustable, it only tilts. If you need that vertical adjustability, the Mac Mini coupled with an external monitor works better.
i came really close to getting the imac then i found out i could use one of my old displays that can hook up through hdmi. honestly the best decision i made and saved me a ton of money just going with the mac mini 🔥
Ayy! Another video, I’d definitely pay extra for the 4.5K display and the all in one form factor but the I/O on the Mac mini and that price point would really tempt me
@@RobertGaron I use a Lenovo ThinkVision T27p-10 It's a great looking 27" 4k USB-C Monitor (It has HDMI, and Display Port too) It's $349, but they have a eCoupon now so you can get it $314.10 on Lenovo's site (I Just looked)
Interesting to note, both macs are very capable at accepting BT keyboards and mice as well as wired versions. You are under no requirement to buy the the "Magic" keyboard or mouse, (It's still stupid where they put the charging port on said mouse), so even a $15 Logitech keyboard and a $10 BT mouse will do the trick. Heck, I use a $20 Anker BT keyboard I bought for tablets and that same Logitech mouse for my MacBook when I have it plugged into my 4k monitor and they work flawlessly.
I have a mini. I do love the design of the new iMac, but I’m glad I went with the mini when I did. No buyers remorse. 40inch Vizio HDR 4k display- $250 Logitech MX Keys Bluetooth keyboard- $99 Magic Trackpad -$129 (this was splurge) Used my existing Klipsh computer speakers. Point is, there’s other options that could save a few bucks, and you still get better IO. Most people already have useable peripherals that work with the mini... Ascetics don’t make up for the price difference imo.
As someone that regularly swaps between Windows and Mac for work the Mac mini is amazing. Being able to run two different computers/OS off of one set of peripherals on my desk is awesome. Plus being able to upgrade a Mac mini for $500 every couple of years is much more feasible than having to buy a brand new iMac every other product cycle.
I started with the Blue which seems to be the main default iMac system with 256gigs of SSD on a trail bases. I have since last year, The iPhone 13 Pro Max, Apple Watch 7 and the iPad Pro 5th Generation and of course some Air Pod Pro's which are freaking great! I really fell in love with the iMac and the Mac OS is all new to me, except what I get on my iPad Pro and iPhone 13. I have been a PC user for decades and loving how all these Apple devices just seemingly connect to one another and how you can so easily transfer files and pictures around, (I haven't learned split screen yet, but I will.) My Apple Watch lets unlocks my iMac when I am close to it, which I know you guys know this, but it is so freaking cool to me. Never seen that before. Since, my move into the iMac 24" I did make the choice of at least getting 512gigs of storage and I have a green iMac on the way. I decided not to get the 16gigs, not because I don't want it, I just don't want to wait almost 3 freaking months to get it. Which is a bit ridiculous to me. Just wish Apple made it where we could just purchase separately from them if need be and get the upgrades we want without waiting 3 months or less to have them install it for us. (Seems were back in the stone age of Apple here, When you want to update your PC you just buy the parts you need and you are golden. With an Apple when you want to upgrade you just take it, throw it away and go buy another one scenario.) I was interested in the iMac Air, but the small screen is a real downer and with the new OS 16 around the corner I can use my iPad Pro as a reasonable Laptop and do what I need to do within reason on it. I don't have anything against the Mac Mini. The price is nice to say the least and I do have a 55" OLED tv I can run it though, but knowing I have to switch between watching a movie or playing on my PS5 all the time, plus having to either buy cheaper screens or different parts or even pay far more just to get say everything Apple I figured the iMac is a safe bet. Plus, I ran 2 split screens on my iMac had 2 separate webpages where one I can surf the other I was running UA-cam videos where I can have that play on my 55" OLED tv was insanely cool. I really do like this package, I am loving the new keyboard with the touch id and the new mouse is pretty cool too. Of course, everyone has their own preferences. I have ordered a different iMac from Costco a Green iMac 24" with 512gigs of storage is on the way. I don't feel I need anymore than 512gigs plus I can just port to an external SSD or send to iCloud for storage and backup. Coming from the PC world it is truly sad I have to return this machine because I can't just buy what I need upgrade wise and install it myself. Which leaves returning it as my only option.
I would argue the difference is $800, because the Mac mini has virtually the same I/O as the $1499 model iMac, and the Mac mini has all them GPU cores of the $1499 model. So for $800, you lose the option to upgrade to 10 gig ethernet, you add 7.5 lbs and some physical dimensions, and you lose support for one external display, but you gain: -A fantastic, if on the small side, pixel dense but not high refresh rate, color accurate but not HDR, non-touch display which would probably sell for $800+ on its own, but you can't easily use it as a display other than for the computer built into the iMac. It's an Apple display, so it has ambient light sensors for brightness and True Tone, and you can also control the brightness with the function keys on your Apple keyboard. Niiiice. It's a display that will look good almost all the time, basically in anything other than complete darkness or direct sunlight. Obviously, you should only buy this computer over the Mac mini if you plan to use its built-in display as your primary. But you absolutely can, provided you need neither HDR nor high refresh rate. On the display I have plugged into my Mac mini, I have a much larger canvas, mediocre HDR (HDaRn't), 120 Hz, but lower pixel density, no support for brightness adjustments using Apple keyboards but three dedicated "profile" buttons for brightness and color profiles which I use instead (not as good), no Night Shift or True Tone (but again, those color profiles go some of the way there), the ability to use my monitor as two monitors, either for side-by-side Mac mini screens which are exactly color and refresh-rate matched but somehow one lags a bit behind the other?! Or I can use a portion of the display for another computer. I'm a dual user of Mac and PC, and this comes in handy frequently. Overall, I'd keep my current display, but this display cost me $1,000 and is still worth $900, and the features I use are subjective, while pretty much anyone would benefit from the QoL features of the iMac display. I had my display before I bought the Mac mini, and I bought the Mac mini before the iMac was available. -More thoughts in replies.
You also get: -Great speakers, probably exceeding the quality of a $50 dedicated 2.1 speaker+subwoofer system while taking none of that additional space on your desk and requiring no additional wires or ports. Niiiice! Because I have two speakers and want good audio from both, I have a $129 Thunderbolt cable running from my Mac mini to a $500 audio interface which is then connected through analog to a $200 speaker system and another PC which can both be heard over the same speakers as my Mac mini, and also hear the Mac mini's sound output. This is handy for my extremely niche use case in the same way that a monitor capable of PBP (picture by picture) is handy. See above. I would not consider the iMac a downgrade from this over $800 setup ($900 with mic, $1900 with monitor) except for the inability to see or hear my gaming PC without latency. -A webcam which is as good as you can expect, and is properly mounted for you. It doesn't really blend into the white bezels, but it's much nicer than a big camera clamped to the top of your display, and again, does not require ports or wires, but, as long as you're using the iMac, it doesn't have a user-accessible off switch. You can only cover it, or rely on M1 and MacOS to limit when your webcam is accessible. -Studio microphones comparable to a $100 USB microphone without taking up the USB port, perfectly positioned to pick you up without you needing to put a microphone in your workspace. Very handy. I bought a $100 USB microphone along with my Mac mini because I didn't have anything else usable. But here, you can't unplug them and you can't really cover them either -- not easily. You need to rely on M1 and MacOS not to grant microphone access where and when you don't want it. This would be okay for me; I trust Apple here. -7 COLORS, hallelujah! Orange FTW. -A color-matched Apple Magic Keyboard. Comfortable typing, tenkey for an addtional $30, Touch ID included, but no eject button. I actually use flash drives and the USB Superdrive regularly, so I'd notice the absence of an eject button. Brightness, volume and playback controls. Bluetooth or color-matched wired connection. The same functionality can be achieved with a Mac mini, minus Touch ID, but you don't get dem colors. If you have both a Mac mini and an iMac, you can order a "replacement" keyboard matching the color of your iMac through AppleCare and get Touch ID on your Mac mini, which is funny. I personally use the Space Gray Magic Keyboard with tenkey, which cost me $150 and includes an eject button but does not include Touch ID, and which is no longer sold. -A color-matched Apple Magic Trackpad for $50 more (which you should absolutely spend; the Magic Mouse is garbage. I have both in Space Gray, which cost me $248. The Trackpad was worth the $149. The mouse was not worth the $99). So yes, that $800 yields Deep F'n Value. It doesn't make sense for my personal workflow at all, but I'm trying to get one for my dad so I have a machine I can throw in the car and take to DJ gigs. The problem is I need some way to get the display up much higher than it comes standard while being absolutely stable.
So in summary, get the iMac instead of the Mac mini unless you need 10 gig Ethernet or, like me, you need the other flexibility afforded by the Mac mini: to adapt to your existing, much more expensive setup. If you're like me, you should maybe get the iMac in addition to the Mac mini, provided there is someone else in your home who can borrow it sometimes. God, they're both such S-tier machines! EDIT: oh, you heard the iMac under load? Can’t say I’m surprised, as Apple made more boastful claims about the silence of the Mac mini, but that’s really hard for me to swallow. I expect my computers to be silent all the time, and since my PC isn’t silent while gaming, I’m working on switching out the GPU to one which is. Now I’m not so sure I could use the iMac as my primary. Though for sure it would still be an exceptional DJ machine!
Imac base model is perfect for my daughters bedroom. School work and casual use. I think that is what the base model is targeted at. All ready in 1 box. No messing about.
Most people don't think about it but the real value of the iMac is it has the cheapest professional grade display you can "bundle" with any computer. If you don't believe me, google the prices of 4k IPS displays with 100% Adobe RGB compliance. I would rate the iMac retina display over nearly all of them. This is invaluable for any digital content creator.
Well, the screen on the iMac is worth more than the difference in price. The only alternative that gives you the same quality, without scaling issues, is the Studio Display. Which cost as much the entire iMac package. The only advantage of the Mac Mini is flexibility. But then you sacrifice display quality and a super clean and gorgeous minimal setup. The iMac is a design statement in itself. Something you would be proud showing off even in your main living room.
Same. I got it right away knowing that the amount of speed gained would be better than my old setup and cheap enough that when I sell it fo the the M1x or M2, knowing I would loose, what, 2-300 dollars. The amount of time saved on all of the editing is well worth it. Happy to wait.
This was JUST the comparison video I was looking for!! I always appreciate your reviews. I'm coming from a 2015 13" MacBook Pro, so either would be an improvement for me!
Thank you Everyday Dad today I purchased a Mac mini with accessories. Your videos helped me so much!! Keep doing what you do😃 You are very much appreciated!!!
The Samsung monitor isn't 4K. In your screenshot the resolution listed was 2560x1440. That said, it should be possible to get a 4k monitor for around that price, and bigger too since 27" is a much more common size for 4k monitors. Quality won't be as good as Apple though. Either way, nice vid!
I need the ability to use the iMac as external monitor. Otherwise won’t fit in my home office setup where I have a windows laptop for work. Quite sure I’ll manage getting a nice setup with a Mac mini too though. Just waiting for the next version.
The Samsung monitor was a 1440p monitor not 4K. 1440p is 4 million pixels. 4K or 3840x2160 is 8 million pixels, iMac is even higher than that. The iMac screen has P3 color which puts sRGB to shame. IMac has basically the best screen for a desktop period. 24 inches is big enough for most work flows. Apple saving the 27inch for later.
I"ll stick my mac mini. Unless the iMac drops to mac mini prices, i'm fine with having a cheap 4k monitor, keyaboard, and mouse. I edit my family videos just fine using davinci and I;ve been happy so far with it. $700 is pretty steep just for a built in monitor.
Quit having kids or stop buying pc's if you're gonna complain. The mini processor is half the speed as the imac m1 desktop. You're actually spending much more money spending less on a mini and having to upgrade to the speed as a imac m1 which by the way is an all in 1 package. You must love shopping for extra hardware and peripherals.
iMac's screen is too small for today's creative work and the base $1300 model goes up another $50-$70 for ethernet or dongles and a hub for the extra ports you'd need. You get a $50 discount if you want a trackpad, but it's still extra. Buying a Mac Mini I (in theory), had another $700 to spend on more screen real estate, keyboard with backlight, Blue mic with boom, trackpad, monitor arms, hubs and wires. I use a used iPhone with the Irun app for a 1080 cam. The Mini comes with nothing but a power cord but it's the same with the iMac, and neither has enough ports for extra stuff, so you still have to price in a little extra for hubs/adaptors/wires either way.
You said that mac mini's fan never turned on. I think, because it has no screen. The i mac on the other hand has a 4.5 k display which has heat sink at the back of it.which we see in apples offical launch. I dont think, the fans turned on because of the cpu, but to get rid of the heat from the 4.5k screen.
@@ArtWithTye That's been the case with every iPad Pro in the last few years tho?? It doesn't make it "pointless", people can still get use of it. Salty much?
I feel like I have seen hundreds of your videos, and I've never seen anyone with as strong a hatfishing game as you in the webcam demo 🤣 I've been trying to work out whether my mother would be best served by replacing her 2013 17" iMac with a 24" iMac M1, the Mac Mini or an MacBook Air + screen, and your price comparisons to get them equal really helped me organise my thinking on that a lot clearer
I have to disagree with your price matching examples because the point of the Mini is to get people into the Apple ecosystem and as someone who tried it out, I already had a monitor,keyboard and mouse along with the speakers so it was a simple $700 buy in, not $1300. Its even cheaper with a refurb model at $589. You can get good quality accessories for a lot less than you quoted and still have an awesome experience with the Mini while saving a lot of money over the iMac.
MacMin - Only the computer iMac - Similar computer - High-res screen - Keyboard and mouse Basically you pay $700 or $900 for the “computer”. Then on the iMac the $1300 or $1700, the “extras” go for $600 or $800. Keyboard is $100-130, mouse another $100 (given useless :)). Hence you pay roughly $400-500 for the display. Really the only waste of money on the iMac is the mouse.
Mate, here's a feedback, people who choose the m1 mac want to get the mac performance at low price, I don't think someone will need an expensive monitor, speakers. So the actual price of a comfortable budget mac mini setup will be lower, at around a $1000 at most. Which is a decent purchase.
Or find the new Mac Mini M1 with 8GB at Costco for $599. Get it while you can. I use headphones so no need for speakers and I don't use a camera so don't need that. Can eliminate those items. Great video by all means. Thanks for sharing.
You have a great voice, you could definitely do radio work.:) Vid is also great, but if you changed those t-shirt, hat and hoodies to nice gentleman's outfit you'd be fierce:D Consider! All the best!
The difference is you can get what you need with the mini in terms of peripherals. I dont need to spend 200+ just on kb+mouse. I can get some top notch productivity logitech peripherals (MX master + MX keys) and save at least 50 Also the monitor, many people already have them and/or they dont need to get the top notch monitor I think its good that apple is giving you this choice of different options. Its still a bit too expensive in terms of upgrades and stuff but they are on the right track
Getting a comparable display as the M1 iMac is easily $1300 on its own. Add that the $700 for the computer itself, $100 for the keyboard, and $80 for the mouse, and it's the Mac Mini that starts getting close to twice as expensive as the iMac, not the other way around.
I find that point a bit ironic since Apple clearly is marketing this for the "average" consumer but with pro features like P3 color accuracy that most wont know about. I have the mini with the cheapest 4k monitor 28" I could find at the time from BB (@$320) and don't use it for editing so for me it makes no difference that extra .5k or P3 color accuracy and I doubt it would for an average user, they would be better of with a mini over the imac in that sense. The monitor I have (Samsung UR55) still packs in useful features like an IPS panel(like the iMac) for different viewing angles and even has HDR support witch the iMac lacks and the screen is matte ( again something that isn't even an option on imac) as well the monitor is nearly bezel-less on three sides, with a miniscule chin. Taking the screen aside and just focusing on raw features or ports, its clear the mac mini is just a better value, you could take the money saved and get a hub underneath for front facing ports, like microSD cardslot and a internal housing for SSD for expandable storage down the line that's more affordable then Apple's own Flash SSD. Not to mention the mini still packs in ethernet at no extra charge no matter what model you get.
The display sucks. It is too tiny (it is 23,5 inch, way smaller than previous 24 inch iMacs) and the insane resolution is a downside, not a plus. It kills the GPU without offering much extra work space (it is basically a 1260x2240 display). Give me a matte 2560x1440 27 inch any time. Or 4K at 32 inch.
To be fair, it could be a good deal to get the regular one if you need the high quality monitor and webcam and don't have a keyboard (or a mouse, but I'd get a new one for the iMac anyways lol)
Thanks for the recommendation about the refurbished store, just picked up a M1 Mac mini with 16gb ram and 1tb storage for the same price as the 512gb model. It’ll be here on Monday. Hopefully it’ll be a major upgrade from my 2014 iMac 27” with 24gb of ram. You keep banging out these videos at a crazy pace. Keep it up!!
Good question reason is, you can;t find a decent monitor for 600eur let alone one that matches the imac;s. Decent; retina, p3 / adobe pro rbg, thin, beautiful, good mics in it, webcam in it and decent speakers. Hmu when that exists.
You're the first channel I follow discussing Mac products that have mentioned the great noise cancellation on the iMac. I will probably never use the camera because I don't do zoom. I only occasionally do video calls with family and I do have a BlueAir purifier to clean the air of dust so it is good to know if I ever do use it the noise will be reduced. Why pay twice as much? You pretty much covered it. You have to pay twice as much anyway to get a screen, all the accessories, sound, and they might not be as good, and won't be an all-in-one product with a 4.5k Retina screen in such a thin 23.5-inch package.
I'm with you on this. The iMac looks sweet, but I'm still pleased I got my M1 Mini and added my own accessories to it. It's strange NOT to have buyer's remorse when something like this iMac comes out, but I'm still enjoying the good computing experience that is Apple Silicon.
Thanks for the video! I've been having some serious debates between which of these two I want to purchase. I am however waiting for the M1 chip to be compatible with a handful of music production software.
I respect the comparison, but you downplayed iMac’s screen with that Mac mini equivalent There’s no way it was even nearly as color accurate, was it even 4.5k?
All about money and equipment already owned. If you want to spend less and you already have a monitor, keyboard, mouse etc...the Mac mini is perfect. Recommend getting the 16 gig memory upgrade though. The iMac desktop is amazing if you want an all in one with an amazing visual experience but it’s gonna cost you a lot more.
The good thing about the Mac mini is you don’t have to upgrade the whole thing when it’s outdated, you just buy a new one and use the monitor you already have. That’s why I decided to go with it.
I think the important point about pricing is, if someone doesn't care about display quality being top notch, or having a very nice webcam, you can save money with the Mini. The issue is, the closest thing to the iMacs display, is the $700 LG Ultrafine, plus to get the same look of webcam, youd probably be looking at an Logi C920 or Brio. Speakers like you said $100. Bringing the total WAY above the iMac. Port selection is nice for sure, but the iMac is basically the Mac Mini, without the hdmi (dont need it), ethernet (in the brick), or USB 2.0 ports (bummer) on device. In this case, matching the two equally, you'd SAVE ~$350 by going with the iMac I really think it all comes down to the persons work flow, and how much quality they want out of their peripherals.
I got the 16GB ram 1TB Mac mini for the flexibility, whether it’s on my desk or connected to my TV as a media center, I think the Mac mini will age better as you can always update the screen.
Same here, I have the base with 16Gb. If I did not already have a monitor(s) I would consider the iMac, I use dual 34" ultrawide and my kids have dual 24" dells, one of them is from 2006. Once the M2 mini is out I will buy one and the M1 mini will go to the kids.
@@rumbecker5085 I just gave my late 2014 Mac mini with Ssd upgrade to my 9yr old,
Agree, if I were buying a new Mac, I'd so similar. With the mini you can upgrade monitor and keyboard - Apple keyboard is ok-ish, but its not HHKB (Topre switch)/Filco quality. And monitor - I think again, there are alternatives out and you can choose the budget to suit what you need.
yes like you say the lack of monitor makes it more flexible into the future as a hptc / media server
bingo, similar can be said about attaching external hard drives too though.
You missed the most important difference and best reason for mini.
I’ve got Mac mini ($650) with 28in 4K display ($350) and love it. I already own a keyboard, mouse and wired speakers that cost $30 but sound fantastic. Now I can upgrade my computer every 2 years no problem. This is the real benefit to mini vs. iMac. I sell my mini on eBay in 2 years for $300-350 and get the newest one. In the end I’m going to be spending $125-175 per yr and never having outdated hardware. Honestly, my Netflix now cost more than that. Previously, I would buy an iMac and wait 4-6yr because it’s another chunk of money to replace; staying miserable with slower computer for the last of those years. Mini FTW!
But you can always sell off the iMac as well though it's not like the iMac's gonna decrease in value much compared to Mini?
@@obscvre let’s say the depreation value is 40% (just an example, no idea what it really is), 40% of 1300 is a lot more than 40% of $650. For your argument, you’d have to prove that for some reason they lost value at much grater rates from each other. I’m just going to guess losing a percentage of a more expensive initial item is always going to end up costing more than taking depreciation value of an item with cheaper up front cost.
@@TheGreatestJuJu So you're not upgrading your monitor at all in those two year? Okay, maybe it's not a big deal over the span of a couple years, but eventually you're going to be buying a new monitor, which isn't cheap if you're buying one on par with the quality of an iMac monitor. A 27" 5k monitor is easily going to run you over a grand, regardless of the brand. Your comparison isn't exactly apples to apples when you leave out the cost of a new monitor. Maybe a good monitor isn't essential for what you use your computer for, but for a lot of people who use Macs, the quality of the monitor is important (photography, videography, graphic design, etc.)
@@brandonb.5304 The next monitor I upgrade to won’t even be a monitor but some version of VR or AR, 6-8 years from now. I believe 4k is future proof enough for the majority of casual users, you know the ones the iMac and Mini where designed for. If you are a professional in the visual arts and need fancier than that, you’re probably also a user that wants more than 27in (and more ram) or are into having the greatest tech which also isn’t 5k. Not only was I literally comparing Apples to Apples but figuratively comparing two products that offer almost completely identical performance, however, also have small caveats in the window dressings (accessories), by definition most would consider this an apples to apples comparison.
@@brandonb.5304 also that 28" 4k monitor must either be a heck of a deal or just far from apples standards in display quality. But i guess the nem imac did decrease in quality, back in the days a 27 inch model with 5k monitor was a bang for the buck considering the included screen, now the 24 inch 4,5k screen doesnt get my interest at all. i hope they someday announce a 27 inch 5k model with m1x and more than 2 ports on the back and the old design , i'd buy that. if they put the 24 inch design on the 27" machine i'll probably buy the cheapest mac mini and a monitor from a company that is not apple. i think the energy efficiency of the m1 is the only argurment pro apple atm. they deliver no ports, have always had trashy thermals, no right to repair and made it impossible to upgrade resulting in a planed absolescence with produces huge amounts of e-waste while same time greenwashing their company in the ads. Apple gone downhill since Tim.
I was determined to wait for the new iMac and then I broke down and bought the M1 Mac Mini last year...best decision ever. More connections. Less room. And I got a wonderful monitor that I can ALSO plug my PS4 into.
What monitor did you get ?
Mac mini all day long - can easily pack up and take on the road - great for music production
One of the huge positives that I don't think the M1 is getting enough coverage on is legacy hardware support. I bought the M1 mac mini and plugged it right into my thunderbolt display. From there, I plugged in my 14-year-old firewire RME audio interface, which works perfectly. From there, I plug in my guitar pedal board switcher via 5-pin MIDI. I can modify patches on my board seamlessly.
Mac Mini all the way: more connection options, more serviceable.
If you're coming at it from a practicality standpoint, definitely.
Easily solved with an adapter
@@davidhunternyc1 good point
Pretty colors go brruurrrrrrrr.
Good point though and one of the reasons why I can’t decide.
@@davidhunternyc1 for sure, repairs on an m1 machine :D like thats my main concern. i personally dont use products apart from their phones from later than 2012 because those you could upgrade and repair yourselfs. i dont think apples new ecosystem is in any way going to reduce the amount of absolutely needlessly produced ewaste. id rather think if their really energy efficient arm based system is changing the market , we as the consumers are all fucked. as soon as they've got their monopoly m1 macs will be 4 times the price and there will be no alternative. ram upgrades will stay the same since they literally are already just the biggest rip offs imaginable. hell even the 2019 imac was user upgradeable with the ram supporting up to 128 gigs just by opening a door on the back, and even cpu gpu and storage could be exchanged by professionals or by urself if ur tech-savy. if a part broke u could replace it even though apple has gone in the anti consumer no repair direction since steve died, but there always was like a certain line the couldnt cross because it wasnt their hardware. they couldnt physically limit all the users possibilities at the same time. with arm in their back they now chose if your imac or mac mini is going to be obsolete tomorrow while maybe at least ur ipad powered by the same chip stays supported
The thing is that a display like the m1 iMac is really good. Finding something similar for the price difference of the Mac mini and iMac. Finding a good display even at 1K is hard for content creators.
Yes, but it depends on your needs. I have a 34" QHD curved ultra wide. I do music production I dont need the colors to be good, or the display to be top notch.
It all comes down to your needs
@@pedrosilvaproductions if you had to do graphics work as well then it would be different.
On the other hand If you have a separate display, you can reuse it on a future computer, without having to buy a whole new monitor. So upfront can be a bit more expensive but in the long run it is pretty good
No way I'll pay double!
I *_never_* use a display, keyboard, mouse, speakers, microphone or camera!
I stick my Mac mini on my desk, and it is the PERFECT drink coaster!
I got the Mac mini I love it with a three monitor setup!
What’s the best monitor for it?
You are a really good speaker / presenter. …Clear voice, great rate of speech, no detectable regional accent. You come off as being earnest and enthusiastic. Cheers!
Not to sound pc because I’m not, but curious what the accent has to do with anything as long as they have a great personality. jw
@@Amplified435 When you speak General American English (perceived as without regional markers and the most common American accent), you are a more effective communicator to a broader audience in America and around the world. Accents that significantly diverge from GAE are widely less normalized and are a minor distraction from speech content; the brain must spend more space and power to parse a less-familiar dialect. General American is more easily accessible to all audiences especially when clear communication of information is the most important factor.
One thing I do like about the mini is I can literally go to a friends house and with an HDMI connect to a TV in their house, not perfect but nice bridge between laptop and desktop. That iMac is some nice though.
My 2011 27" iMac display stopped working with the only solution is bringing that behemoth to a service center. The fact that a 10 year old computer still ran great made it easy on my decision on which computer I will be getting. I went to Apples website with the intent to purchase another 27" iMac, until I saw Mac Mini featured on the homepage. After a bit of research, I decided to get the M1, 16GB ram version. I bought a Dell 27" monitor, speakers and USB hub. I already have a perfectly working magic keyboard and mouse. So in total, I saved a whole bunch of $$.
After 2 months of usage (web, streaming, music) I am very happy with the Mac Mini M1.
Most people already have a monitor, keyboard, and mouse from older devices. So the M1 Mac Mini makes more sense for me. But if you really want everything brand new and in the same package, the new M1 iMac looks great.
It depends what you need, I feel like the iMac is good for like a college student because everything is included, but at the same time, they would most likely opt for the MBP or the MBA
My biggest gripe with the new iMac is the i/o. The new iMac should have had the same I/O as the Mac mini even if it means making the computer a little bit thicker and heavier. Thin and light does not matter for a desktop since it just sits on a desk.
7:37 “This obviously isn’t apples to apples” The irony in that statement is hilarious to me because it is literally a comparison of one Apple to another Apple lol
You're right, this is the one time where "this is an Apple to Apple comparison" would actually work lol
pun intended
I managed to get:
- M1 Mac Mini (16GB / 256GB)
- Apple Creation Suite (FCP, Motion, etc)
- Samsung 32" UHD Monitor
- Magic Keyboard and Trackpad
- Logitech 1080p Webcam
...for £1229 ($1739) in total. And yet the same spec iMac (with a smaller 24" screen) would come to £1649 ($2333) without even considering FCP, Motion etc as separate purchases. If you play it smart and get all the components seperatley like I did, then you can save hundreds and still have a larger screen to use. The M1 Mac Mini is amazing value, and the iMac machines as a let down in comparison in my opinion.
I believe in the iMac what you're paying for is the display, and a really good value at that.
@Ferry Gunadi you can buy adapters for the screen that will let you use it as a monitor
@@SweatySockGaming link?
@@MaximusTheChosenOne ebay
I think that the Mac Mini is definitely better as you have the choice of the accessories you use. It’s much more functional and optional. The screen is the biggest thing, I could imagine a lot of people don’t like the iMac screens and would prefer something more gamer like in all ways.
If you don’t have a monitor or speakers or webcam or keyboard or mouse, the iMac is amazing. If you have all of that stuff, get the Mini.
Remember the added cost of the Space Gray keyboard/mouse/trackpad over the silver magic accessories not counting the TouchID! So at least $20 more per each for a colored iMac model!
Its an easy choice of if you need that screen or not, I have a 27" 5k iMac but needed a 2nd unit, I was originally going for the mini and an external monitor as was concerned the 24" would be to small, but out of impulse I still went for the 24" and I am enjoying the 24" screen and don't miss the larger screen, obviously this depends on the users needs for how much screen they need. all the best to you.
I have the Mini, and hooked it up to a £400 32” 4K monitor, it’s cheaper, and I get a bigger screen which I needed
You can get bigger or higher resolution screen for less than iMac but that’s not really what the imac screen is about.
Mac Mini & iMAC same price in UK
£1299, 16gb ram, 1tb
£200, mouse and keyboard
£600, monitor LG ultrafine
Total £2099
IMAC - £2099, 16gb ram, 1tb
This. When you factor in the keyboard, mouse and screen, the price comes out about the same. Gets even closer if you need speakers ands webcam as well
Well thank you! As a two screen user, I won’t feel that I’ve missed out with the Mac Mini we’ve been enjoying since earlier this year. We did have to buy a camcorder though, for Zoom - and a dongle for the 2nd screen to the iMac mini. We already had screens, keypad and mouse from our old windows desktop, and the Mac mini is completely fine with 3rd party accessories. The kids would love the iMac though, which would be perfect for them... one day.
@Chris right but 50 dollars on a cheap camera and a dongle for the mac mini is way different then a few hundred dollar difference for the imac. and if they had bought the imac they still would’ve needed a usb hub (assuming that the keyboard and mouse are wireless) so it’s really no big deal ?
@Chris yeah i said cheap so what lol? with all that in total it’s still less than even the base model of an imac. and you can have a bigger screen as well. you’re mega weird for getting upset bc people don’t want to spend 1200-2000 dollars on a computer when they can get it for 700 lol, people are right you apple fanboys are crazy no logic in sight 💀
Part of the value of the mini is that, unless it's your first computer, you are quite likely to already have some of the things already. I already had two 1440p monitors so I just needed to buy one cable and another keyboard. I've plugged my midi controller in, it just worked, I plugged my external DAC/Headphone amp in, and it just worked as did my USB speakers and my USB capture card. One of my monitors had a usb 3 hub built in, so I attached an external SSD. Magnificent system, and totally quiet.
Just love my Mac mini it’s mostly being used for Adobe illustrator and it works as a breach 👍 and that for a 16gb 512 memory, coming from 25 years off pc I just love it and don’t miss windows I am a 🍏 fanboy
Mac mini is more versatile & cost-effective: Perfect to complete my home set up with a wide monitor & pro PC laptop for teleworking.
Coming from an old 21.5 imac my new Imac is amazing and makes sense for me. The screen just amazing I love the all in one. The new design is just beautiful to me. It fits into a family setting better and has that retro G3 feel.
Another thing to note: the iMac monitor is not height-adjustable, it only tilts. If you need that vertical adjustability, the Mac Mini coupled with an external monitor works better.
i came really close to getting the imac then i found out i could use one of my old displays that can hook up through hdmi. honestly the best decision i made and saved me a ton of money just going with the mac mini 🔥
The M1 Mac Mini is the first Mac I've ever owned and I'm really enjoying it.
Me too
Niceee.
conclusion: 09:46
Ayy! Another video, I’d definitely pay extra for the 4.5K display and the all in one form factor but the I/O on the Mac mini and that price point would really tempt me
For that price difference you can get a better monitor with any size you want.
@@borngymrat no you can’t
@@theerickfreitas You have no idea about the better monitors out there. Just dig into amazon or other stores.
@@borngymrat What monitor do you recommend?
@@RobertGaron
I use a Lenovo ThinkVision T27p-10
It's a great looking 27" 4k USB-C Monitor (It has HDMI, and Display Port too)
It's $349, but they have a eCoupon now so you can get it $314.10 on Lenovo's site (I Just looked)
7:09 woahh was I the only one who didn't think The Everyday Dad was bald??? Lmao
edit: not supposed to be a roast just curious
Ikr I didn’t knew that
Its just been easier shaving my head during the working from home time. I'll go back to my normal hairstyle in the future.
@@TheEverydayDad ok nice
@@TheEverydayDad OMG SAY HI IF YOU ARE REAL
Interesting to note, both macs are very capable at accepting BT keyboards and mice as well as wired versions. You are under no requirement to buy the the "Magic" keyboard or mouse, (It's still stupid where they put the charging port on said mouse), so even a $15 Logitech keyboard and a $10 BT mouse will do the trick.
Heck, I use a $20 Anker BT keyboard I bought for tablets and that same Logitech mouse for my MacBook when I have it plugged into my 4k monitor and they work flawlessly.
I have a mini. I do love the design of the new iMac, but I’m glad I went with the mini when I did. No buyers remorse.
40inch Vizio HDR 4k display- $250
Logitech MX Keys Bluetooth keyboard- $99
Magic Trackpad -$129 (this was splurge)
Used my existing Klipsh computer speakers.
Point is, there’s other options that could save a few bucks, and you still get better IO.
Most people already have useable peripherals that work with the mini... Ascetics don’t make up for the price difference imo.
Thank you for your informative review and fantastic YT comments.
You got me sold on the mini.
As someone that regularly swaps between Windows and Mac for work the Mac mini is amazing. Being able to run two different computers/OS off of one set of peripherals on my desk is awesome.
Plus being able to upgrade a Mac mini for $500 every couple of years is much more feasible than having to buy a brand new iMac every other product cycle.
How would you go about upgrading m1 devices?
@@PHENIXSTUDIOSOfficial they're saying buying a new Mac Mini every couple of years.
@@GunzyTech gotcha
Who would pay for the monitor ?
I started with the Blue which seems to be the main default iMac system with 256gigs of SSD on a trail bases. I have since last year, The iPhone 13 Pro Max, Apple Watch 7 and the iPad Pro 5th Generation and of course some Air Pod Pro's which are freaking great!
I really fell in love with the iMac and the Mac OS is all new to me, except what I get on my iPad Pro and iPhone 13. I have been a PC user for decades and loving how all these Apple devices just seemingly connect to one another and how you can so easily transfer files and pictures around, (I haven't learned split screen yet, but I will.) My Apple Watch lets unlocks my iMac when I am close to it, which I know you guys know this, but it is so freaking cool to me. Never seen that before.
Since, my move into the iMac 24" I did make the choice of at least getting 512gigs of storage and I have a green iMac on the way. I decided not to get the 16gigs, not because I don't want it, I just don't want to wait almost 3 freaking months to get it. Which is a bit ridiculous to me. Just wish Apple made it where we could just purchase separately from them if need be and get the upgrades we want without waiting 3 months or less to have them install it for us. (Seems were back in the stone age of Apple here, When you want to update your PC you just buy the parts you need and you are golden. With an Apple when you want to upgrade you just take it, throw it away and go buy another one scenario.)
I was interested in the iMac Air, but the small screen is a real downer and with the new OS 16 around the corner I can use my iPad Pro as a reasonable Laptop and do what I need to do within reason on it. I don't have anything against the Mac Mini. The price is nice to say the least and I do have a 55" OLED tv I can run it though, but knowing I have to switch between watching a movie or playing on my PS5 all the time, plus having to either buy cheaper screens or different parts or even pay far more just to get say everything Apple I figured the iMac is a safe bet. Plus, I ran 2 split screens on my iMac had 2 separate webpages where one I can surf the other I was running UA-cam videos where I can have that play on my 55" OLED tv was insanely cool.
I really do like this package, I am loving the new keyboard with the touch id and the new mouse is pretty cool too. Of course, everyone has their own preferences. I have ordered a different iMac from Costco a Green iMac 24" with 512gigs of storage is on the way. I don't feel I need anymore than 512gigs plus I can just port to an external SSD or send to iCloud for storage and backup. Coming from the PC world it is truly sad I have to return this machine because I can't just buy what I need upgrade wise and install it myself. Which leaves returning it as my only option.
The M1 iMac would have need extra adapters to have the same function
I would argue the difference is $800, because the Mac mini has virtually the same I/O as the $1499 model iMac, and the Mac mini has all them GPU cores of the $1499 model.
So for $800, you lose the option to upgrade to 10 gig ethernet, you add 7.5 lbs and some physical dimensions, and you lose support for one external display, but you gain:
-A fantastic, if on the small side, pixel dense but not high refresh rate, color accurate but not HDR, non-touch display which would probably sell for $800+ on its own, but you can't easily use it as a display other than for the computer built into the iMac. It's an Apple display, so it has ambient light sensors for brightness and True Tone, and you can also control the brightness with the function keys on your Apple keyboard. Niiiice. It's a display that will look good almost all the time, basically in anything other than complete darkness or direct sunlight. Obviously, you should only buy this computer over the Mac mini if you plan to use its built-in display as your primary. But you absolutely can, provided you need neither HDR nor high refresh rate. On the display I have plugged into my Mac mini, I have a much larger canvas, mediocre HDR (HDaRn't), 120 Hz, but lower pixel density, no support for brightness adjustments using Apple keyboards but three dedicated "profile" buttons for brightness and color profiles which I use instead (not as good), no Night Shift or True Tone (but again, those color profiles go some of the way there), the ability to use my monitor as two monitors, either for side-by-side Mac mini screens which are exactly color and refresh-rate matched but somehow one lags a bit behind the other?! Or I can use a portion of the display for another computer. I'm a dual user of Mac and PC, and this comes in handy frequently. Overall, I'd keep my current display, but this display cost me $1,000 and is still worth $900, and the features I use are subjective, while pretty much anyone would benefit from the QoL features of the iMac display. I had my display before I bought the Mac mini, and I bought the Mac mini before the iMac was available.
-More thoughts in replies.
You also get:
-Great speakers, probably exceeding the quality of a $50 dedicated 2.1 speaker+subwoofer system while taking none of that additional space on your desk and requiring no additional wires or ports. Niiiice! Because I have two speakers and want good audio from both, I have a $129 Thunderbolt cable running from my Mac mini to a $500 audio interface which is then connected through analog to a $200 speaker system and another PC which can both be heard over the same speakers as my Mac mini, and also hear the Mac mini's sound output. This is handy for my extremely niche use case in the same way that a monitor capable of PBP (picture by picture) is handy. See above. I would not consider the iMac a downgrade from this over $800 setup ($900 with mic, $1900 with monitor) except for the inability to see or hear my gaming PC without latency.
-A webcam which is as good as you can expect, and is properly mounted for you. It doesn't really blend into the white bezels, but it's much nicer than a big camera clamped to the top of your display, and again, does not require ports or wires, but, as long as you're using the iMac, it doesn't have a user-accessible off switch. You can only cover it, or rely on M1 and MacOS to limit when your webcam is accessible.
-Studio microphones comparable to a $100 USB microphone without taking up the USB port, perfectly positioned to pick you up without you needing to put a microphone in your workspace. Very handy. I bought a $100 USB microphone along with my Mac mini because I didn't have anything else usable. But here, you can't unplug them and you can't really cover them either -- not easily. You need to rely on M1 and MacOS not to grant microphone access where and when you don't want it. This would be okay for me; I trust Apple here.
-7 COLORS, hallelujah! Orange FTW.
-A color-matched Apple Magic Keyboard. Comfortable typing, tenkey for an addtional $30, Touch ID included, but no eject button. I actually use flash drives and the USB Superdrive regularly, so I'd notice the absence of an eject button. Brightness, volume and playback controls. Bluetooth or color-matched wired connection. The same functionality can be achieved with a Mac mini, minus Touch ID, but you don't get dem colors. If you have both a Mac mini and an iMac, you can order a "replacement" keyboard matching the color of your iMac through AppleCare and get Touch ID on your Mac mini, which is funny. I personally use the Space Gray Magic Keyboard with tenkey, which cost me $150 and includes an eject button but does not include Touch ID, and which is no longer sold.
-A color-matched Apple Magic Trackpad for $50 more (which you should absolutely spend; the Magic Mouse is garbage. I have both in Space Gray, which cost me $248. The Trackpad was worth the $149. The mouse was not worth the $99).
So yes, that $800 yields Deep F'n Value. It doesn't make sense for my personal workflow at all, but I'm trying to get one for my dad so I have a machine I can throw in the car and take to DJ gigs. The problem is I need some way to get the display up much higher than it comes standard while being absolutely stable.
So in summary, get the iMac instead of the Mac mini unless you need 10 gig Ethernet or, like me, you need the other flexibility afforded by the Mac mini: to adapt to your existing, much more expensive setup. If you're like me, you should maybe get the iMac in addition to the Mac mini, provided there is someone else in your home who can borrow it sometimes. God, they're both such S-tier machines!
EDIT: oh, you heard the iMac under load? Can’t say I’m surprised, as Apple made more boastful claims about the silence of the Mac mini, but that’s really hard for me to swallow. I expect my computers to be silent all the time, and since my PC isn’t silent while gaming, I’m working on switching out the GPU to one which is. Now I’m not so sure I could use the iMac as my primary. Though for sure it would still be an exceptional DJ machine!
Imac base model is perfect for my daughters bedroom. School work and casual use. I think that is what the base model is targeted at. All ready in 1 box. No messing about.
Most people don't think about it but the real value of the iMac is it has the cheapest professional grade display you can "bundle" with any computer. If you don't believe me, google the prices of 4k IPS displays with 100% Adobe RGB compliance. I would rate the iMac retina display over nearly all of them. This is invaluable for any digital content creator.
I prefer the iMAC for convenience and works right out of the box
Its really hard to beat it for all in one convenience.
You did not add the price of HDMI cable
Dang you got me there.
Well, the screen on the iMac is worth more than the difference in price. The only alternative that gives you the same quality, without scaling issues, is the Studio Display. Which cost as much the entire iMac package. The only advantage of the Mac Mini is flexibility. But then you sacrifice display quality and a super clean and gorgeous minimal setup. The iMac is a design statement in itself. Something you would be proud showing off even in your main living room.
You are not boring. Were just the same type of people who likes simple colors 😉
Same. I got it right away knowing that the amount of speed gained would be better than my old setup and cheap enough that when I sell it fo the the M1x or M2, knowing I would loose, what, 2-300 dollars. The amount of time saved on all of the editing is well worth it. Happy to wait.
This was JUST the comparison video I was looking for!! I always appreciate your reviews. I'm coming from a 2015 13" MacBook Pro, so either would be an improvement for me!
Exact same situation
Congrats from your wife finishing her Masters degree 👍🏼
Thanks! She hasn't finished it yet but she's about half way done.
You’re not boring, you’re amazing
Thank you Everyday Dad today I purchased a Mac mini with accessories. Your videos helped me so much!! Keep doing what you do😃 You are very much appreciated!!!
The Samsung monitor isn't 4K. In your screenshot the resolution listed was 2560x1440.
That said, it should be possible to get a 4k monitor for around that price, and bigger too since 27" is a much more common size for 4k monitors. Quality won't be as good as Apple though.
Either way, nice vid!
I need the ability to use the iMac as external monitor. Otherwise won’t fit in my home office setup where I have a windows laptop for work.
Quite sure I’ll manage getting a nice setup with a Mac mini too though. Just waiting for the next version.
The Samsung monitor was a 1440p monitor not 4K. 1440p is 4 million pixels. 4K or 3840x2160 is 8 million pixels, iMac is even higher than that. The iMac screen has P3 color which puts sRGB to shame. IMac has basically the best screen for a desktop period. 24 inches is big enough for most work flows. Apple saving the 27inch for later.
I"ll stick my mac mini. Unless the iMac drops to mac mini prices, i'm fine with having a cheap 4k monitor, keyaboard, and mouse. I edit my family videos just fine using davinci and I;ve been happy so far with it. $700 is pretty steep just for a built in monitor.
Quit having kids or stop buying pc's if you're gonna complain. The mini processor is half the speed as the imac m1 desktop. You're actually spending much more money spending less on a mini and having to upgrade to the speed as a imac m1 which by the way is an all in 1 package. You must love shopping for extra hardware and peripherals.
@@joshuaespinoza5082 Not with the M1 models. Same exact processor across the MacBook's, Mini, iMac and the M1 iPad.
iMac's screen is too small for today's creative work and the base $1300 model goes up another $50-$70 for ethernet or dongles and a hub for the extra ports you'd need. You get a $50 discount if you want a trackpad, but it's still extra.
Buying a Mac Mini I (in theory), had another $700 to spend on more screen real estate, keyboard with backlight, Blue mic with boom, trackpad, monitor arms, hubs and wires. I use a used iPhone with the Irun app for a 1080 cam.
The Mini comes with nothing but a power cord but it's the same with the iMac, and neither has enough ports for extra stuff, so you still have to price in a little extra for hubs/adaptors/wires either way.
You said that mac mini's fan never turned on. I think, because it has no screen.
The i mac on the other hand has a 4.5 k display which has heat sink at the back of it.which we see in apples offical launch. I dont think, the fans turned on because of the cpu, but to get rid of the heat from the 4.5k screen.
Yep, that's a very good point.
Thanks for the breakdown of the Mac mini, I wanted to know more about it.
We need that iPad Pro M1 review. :) :)
M1 iPad is pointless because the hardware out performs the software
Not sure any software really pushes what an M1 iPad pro will be able to do - and it's still just iPadOS
@@ArtWithTye
That's been the case with every iPad Pro in the last few years tho??
It doesn't make it "pointless", people can still get use of it. Salty much?
no we don't
@@2dimples_dad255 we got it 😬
I feel like I have seen hundreds of your videos, and I've never seen anyone with as strong a hatfishing game as you in the webcam demo 🤣 I've been trying to work out whether my mother would be best served by replacing her 2013 17" iMac with a 24" iMac M1, the Mac Mini or an MacBook Air + screen, and your price comparisons to get them equal really helped me organise my thinking on that a lot clearer
Appreciate your up beat attitude and enjoyment making these videos. It's hard not to have a smile with this awesome technology! Thanks for the video!
I have to disagree with your price matching examples because the point of the Mini is to get people into the Apple ecosystem and as someone who tried it out, I already had a monitor,keyboard and mouse along with the speakers so it was a simple $700 buy in, not $1300. Its even cheaper with a refurb model at $589. You can get good quality accessories for a lot less than you quoted and still have an awesome experience with the Mini while saving a lot of money over the iMac.
True
My setup
Monitor:100
Mouse:20
Keyboard:20
Mac mini used:460
Total:600
So yup, it can be affordable
I'm already sold on the Mac Mini. I just need a buyers guide for an ultrawide monitor compatibility. It's getting confusing.
Depends what you're doing. I bought a cheap 32" 2.7k monitor, works just fine.
MacMin
- Only the computer
iMac
- Similar computer
- High-res screen
- Keyboard and mouse
Basically you pay $700 or $900 for the “computer”.
Then on the iMac the $1300 or $1700, the “extras” go for $600 or $800.
Keyboard is $100-130, mouse another $100 (given useless :)). Hence you pay roughly $400-500 for the display.
Really the only waste of money on the iMac is the mouse.
Mate, here's a feedback, people who choose the m1 mac want to get the mac performance at low price, I don't think someone will need an expensive monitor, speakers. So the actual price of a comfortable budget mac mini setup will be lower, at around a $1000 at most. Which is a decent purchase.
Was just at Costco. They have the new base Mac Mini for $599 until 6/13/21. Insane cheap for what you get.
When are you going to have your iPad Pro vid out I want to watch it so bad lol
I should get my iPads today.
Still the mini as I have the keyboard, mouse and monitor. Plus a Cintiq.
Or find the new Mac Mini M1 with 8GB at Costco for $599. Get it while you can.
I use headphones so no need for speakers and I don't use a camera so don't need that. Can eliminate those items.
Great video by all means. Thanks for sharing.
The similar iMac screen is the LG one selling in Apple store. So just the screen alone is worth it to me.
the Samsung monitor you showed wasn't a 4k monitor, it was a QHD one...6:24
You have a great voice, you could definitely do radio work.:) Vid is also great, but if you changed those t-shirt, hat and hoodies to nice gentleman's outfit you'd be fierce:D Consider! All the best!
Thank you for talking about the dual monitor
The difference is you can get what you need with the mini in terms of peripherals. I dont need to spend 200+ just on kb+mouse. I can get some top notch productivity logitech peripherals (MX master + MX keys) and save at least 50
Also the monitor, many people already have them and/or they dont need to get the top notch monitor
I think its good that apple is giving you this choice of different options. Its still a bit too expensive in terms of upgrades and stuff but they are on the right track
Getting a comparable display as the M1 iMac is easily $1300 on its own. Add that the $700 for the computer itself, $100 for the keyboard, and $80 for the mouse, and it's the Mac Mini that starts getting close to twice as expensive as the iMac, not the other way around.
Not to mention that it also has built-in speakers (better than the small one in Mac Mini), a microphone, and camera if you consider the overall cost
it's very shiny/reflective though - personally hate glossy screen (and prefer ultrawide even if that means lower res)
I find that point a bit ironic since Apple clearly is marketing this for the "average" consumer but with pro features like P3 color accuracy that most wont know about. I have the mini with the cheapest 4k monitor 28" I could find at the time from BB (@$320) and don't use it for editing so for me it makes no difference that extra .5k or P3 color accuracy and I doubt it would for an average user, they would be better of with a mini over the imac in that sense. The monitor I have (Samsung UR55) still packs in useful features like an IPS panel(like the iMac) for different viewing angles and even has HDR support witch the iMac lacks and the screen is matte ( again something that isn't even an option on imac) as well the monitor is nearly bezel-less on three sides, with a miniscule chin.
Taking the screen aside and just focusing on raw features or ports, its clear the mac mini is just a better value, you could take the money saved and get a hub underneath for front facing ports, like microSD cardslot and a internal housing for SSD for expandable storage down the line that's more affordable then Apple's own Flash SSD. Not to mention the mini still packs in ethernet at no extra charge no matter what model you get.
The display sucks. It is too tiny (it is 23,5 inch, way smaller than previous 24 inch iMacs) and the insane resolution is a downside, not a plus. It kills the GPU without offering much extra work space (it is basically a 1260x2240 display). Give me a matte 2560x1440 27 inch any time. Or 4K at 32 inch.
Well, you just informed my purchase. Thanks a lot
(I’ll take purple)
That was not a 4K monitor. It’s is 2k.
Perfect video. Was literally thinking on the same (might buy one of the two soon)
I got the base mac mini from Costco for 599. Initially it was 669, but there was a manufacturer discount for an extra 70 off..
I really like your videos! Keep up the great content
Yeah Gary why pay twice
To be fair, it could be a good deal to get the regular one if you need the high quality monitor and webcam and don't have a keyboard (or a mouse, but I'd get a new one for the iMac anyways lol)
Thanks for the recommendation about the refurbished store, just picked up a M1 Mac mini with 16gb ram and 1tb storage for the same price as the 512gb model. It’ll be here on Monday.
Hopefully it’ll be a major upgrade from my 2014 iMac 27” with 24gb of ram.
You keep banging out these videos at a crazy pace. Keep it up!!
I did the same thing 👍🏻
Good question reason is, you can;t find a decent monitor for 600eur let alone one that matches the imac;s. Decent; retina, p3 / adobe pro rbg, thin, beautiful, good mics in it, webcam in it and decent speakers. Hmu when that exists.
You're the first channel I follow discussing Mac products that have mentioned the great noise cancellation on the iMac. I will probably never use the camera because I don't do zoom. I only occasionally do video calls with family and I do have a BlueAir purifier to clean the air of dust so it is good to know if I ever do use it the noise will be reduced.
Why pay twice as much? You pretty much covered it. You have to pay twice as much anyway to get a screen, all the accessories, sound, and they might not be as good, and won't be an all-in-one product with a 4.5k Retina screen in such a thin 23.5-inch package.
I'm with you on this. The iMac looks sweet, but I'm still pleased I got my M1 Mini and added my own accessories to it. It's strange NOT to have buyer's remorse when something like this iMac comes out, but I'm still enjoying the good computing experience that is Apple Silicon.
You should have at least a million subscribers for the quality of content you create. 🙏👍
Thanks for the video! I've been having some serious debates between which of these two I want to purchase. I am however waiting for the M1 chip to be compatible with a handful of music production software.
which softwares are you talking about?
I respect the comparison, but you downplayed iMac’s screen with that Mac mini equivalent
There’s no way it was even nearly as color accurate, was it even 4.5k?
Did you somehow forget about the 10GbE network in your comparison?
Thanks for a very informative vid!
All about money and equipment already owned. If you want to spend less and you already have a monitor, keyboard, mouse etc...the Mac mini is perfect. Recommend getting the 16 gig memory upgrade though. The iMac desktop is amazing if you want an all in one with an amazing visual experience but it’s gonna cost you a lot more.
Don't forget to add the cost of 30square inches of aluminium for the chin. ;)
Everyday Dad, what monitor do you connect the M1 Mac mini or M1 MacBook Ait to?
My Mac mini runs a 75" Samsung TV as the monitor. Amazing.
75 inch 😳🤔
I’m loving my Mac mini and I have both now. I can see the many benefits on the mini.
The good thing about the Mac mini is you don’t have to upgrade the whole thing when it’s outdated, you just buy a new one and use the monitor you already have. That’s why I decided to go with it.
Just released information regarding the M1X Mac Mini.....the name will be Mac Mini Pro, two versions, 1) with 16GB Ram, 2) 32GB Ram.
I think the important point about pricing is, if someone doesn't care about display quality being top notch, or having a very nice webcam, you can save money with the Mini.
The issue is, the closest thing to the iMacs display, is the $700 LG Ultrafine, plus to get the same look of webcam, youd probably be looking at an Logi C920 or Brio. Speakers like you said $100. Bringing the total WAY above the iMac.
Port selection is nice for sure, but the iMac is basically the Mac Mini, without the hdmi (dont need it), ethernet (in the brick), or USB 2.0 ports (bummer) on device. In this case, matching the two equally, you'd SAVE ~$350 by going with the iMac
I really think it all comes down to the persons work flow, and how much quality they want out of their peripherals.
You'll be able to keep upgrading your peripherals with the Mac Mini which you can't do in the iMac.