Frank Miller's WORST Batman! | The Dark Knight Strikes Again
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- In this sequel to Frank Miller's seminal graphic novel Batman: The Dark Knight Returns, it's three years later and the DC Universe is at peace. At least on the surface. And Batman must return once again to save the world from themselves. Still, the world looks fine: a perfectly choreographed, pretty little world where everything that's ugly, or even potentially disturbing, is all nicely wrapped up with neat little ribbons and swept under the carpet. Only Batman knows better. He's watched it fester to near-breaking point, and it's time for the only free man left who can effect any real change to bring it all down around their ears once and for all. The Dark Knight returns once again with a vitality unseen since the first years of his war on crime. Together with his army of Bat-soldiers, including Carrie Kelley-formerly Robin, and now the new Catgirl-the Dark Knight wages a new war on a diseased world that's become completely lost.Never miss an episode by subscribing today! bit.ly/2WYvgkt #batman
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This is my superbowl
Second this
I'll give it a third!
Same for me
5th.
Time traveler
This was very cathartic. Thanks gents
Always, dude!
We’re so back
We never left
That part
2hr and 40 minutes of Frank Miller Batman??? This is the best moment of my life
I'd much rather hear ComicPop talk about _DK2_ for 2 and a half hours than read it again
It was my Birthday the other day but considering I'm celebrating today and have an unironic love for this book going back to my childhood, this felt like a gift to me personally.
We're so in
Maybe they’ll break three hours when they finally get around to doing Holy Terror…
I LOVE when Sal covers a book he loves. But there's also a righteous gratification I get when he rips into something that deserves it. And this is over 2 hours! Makes me want to send him an early birthday present
Same
I feel bad for Grayson a little bit. If we take all star as canon his life has been nothing but a downward spiral since Batman recruited him. Edit: then it ends by being thrown into a volcano.
If anything, All Star justifies him.
I think you mean abducted him
The worst part is that I absolutely believe that ASBAR was supposed to end hopefully with Robin helping Batman heal and Batman helping Robin heal. But no matter what happened it ends with this trash. The shit with Dick Grayson is absolutely the worst thing Frank ever did. And if he ever returns to this well again I desperately want him to explain himself. Because people tend to forget the last half of ASBAR. Where there is actually a truly amazing scene where Bruce realizes his faults and what hes doing is wrong after Dick nearly kills Hal, and he takes him to his parents grave to grieve. Honestly one of my favorite sequences Frank Miller has ever written. But of course it was never finished so we just have no idea what Frank was intending to do. I would love for some sort of explanation about what happened to Dick and maybe even a redemption of sorts. Because it just seemed like Frank wanted to take the piss out of Robin for the benefit of HIS Robin.
What evil fucking maniac would make ASBAR canon?
@@becuaseimbored3481 canon to the Millerverse
It is honestly criminal how few subs these guys get. Where else do you get this kind of comical insight in the comic history and comic industry ? 😢
You are awesome peeps.
Love from Germany
ComicPop and ComicTropes are the two best comic review channels on UA-cam
Everything else falls faaaaaaaaaaaaar behind them
I'm so happy you are redoing some of your older episodes because your new style where you discuss the behind the scenes stuff when you can is some of my favorite parts. I adore learning how stuff is made.
2 hour 40 minutes!!??!! We eating good today! Thank you working so hard everyone especially Sal! The original hooked me onto ComicPop!
It was my introduction to the channel as well.
I feel like you should have spelled out "comic pop."
This was a great episode though.
“hooked me onto CP” is crazy
Just for that playa you goin one on one with the federal bureau of investigation tonight
@@ibotmania4284 I changed it but I don't know what CP is sorry
The Dark Knight Strikes Again....Again
“Mr. Luthor, a second Kryptonian has hit the Daily Planet”
That just made me bust laughing. Picturing the golem looking Lex sitting there reading a children's book to Brainiac.
Sal’s Super Bowl yell rivals Tiffany’s
About that Alan Moore thing, I really doubt the man who said Wonder Woman and Superman kissing was “cliché” would’ve gotten much enjoyment from that long sky sex scene
i don't know about how more would react to this book, but we do know as to a reason why frank would have superman and wonder woman date. frank miller has stated before that he never liked the idea that superheroes would just date a regular person. that why wouldn't superheroes date people as fantastical as they are. this was stated in an interview he did about daredevil. that's kind of one of the reason why he created elektra to be Matt's girlfriend.
I disagree on one point: Garth Ennis would not have Superman splatter that woman when he was knocked back to Earth. There is exactly one superhero Garth Ennis fully respects and that is Superman.
Totally fair!
I thought he hated all the supes with a burning passion.
@@farhaaz237 nah, ennis loves supes. In his mind superman is *the* hero and everyone else is a knockoff that can't hang. There's actually an issue of hitman where he lays it all out; it's basically his own lil love letter to superman
Garth Ennis wrote that one panel of Superman looking at Earth and thinking “if only you all knew just how loved you really are,” say what you will about the man but when it comes to Supes he GETS it man
Ennis tends to be excellent or utterly terrible without much in between. I'd love to see him do a Superman mini.
The explanation about why Batfart is different from Old fart is more than worth the price of admission
Sal going through all the 'research' is giving me _It's Always Sunny_ corkboard vibes.
I always interpreted the weird digital effect lookin stuff in that panel of The Question as a stylized version of the yellow gas he uses to put on or take off his mask
Being Wreathed in dynamic yellow Smoke is like, the only other thing the Question Does, after Philosophizing but before Punching dudes. It’s his signature thing.
If that’s the case then that’s actually a fucking rad stylistic choice
Kind of a missed opportunity you didn’t name this episode “The Dark Knight Strikes Again… Again” lol
The highlight of any episode for me is when Sal not only relies on his extensive comic, and literary knowledge to give insight to a book, but you can also tell he did copious amounts of research on the artists and the development of each project. That and the hilarious everyday banter is what seperates Comic Pop from other comic channels!
I’ve said it before but I feel compelled to repeat it. Sal’s editing/playing with the camera makes episodes even more fun to watch.
Who let Uncle Frank cook?
I don't know if the Dark Knight really strikes in this story, or what was struck in this story. I do know that there was definitely a stroke...
The reader's braincells was striked, that's for sure 😂
@@nickypool415 i would say the point of the title having word strikes, is his plans on striking against a corrupt system.
@@nickypool415 Cocaine is a helluva drug.
I wouldn't be surprised if Miller actually did coke himself into a stroke at some point while doing _Sin City_
Come on, how was we supposed to know up until 911 he cooked except RoboCop 3 was sublime to me at least
@@johnthai6188 No one asked
Wait why did Captain Marvel kill himself? He was just under a building. He could’ve been dug out, he’s invincible?
Is he stupid?
Whenever a writer says Superman can’t have sex with humans I just scoff so hard lol… like he can control his powers haha
They're like "How can Superman type on his laptop without completely destroying it along with the entire building he's in?"
@@austinmeghu when it comes to frank miller's view point about this, it's less about the "physics" of the romance and more of the grander ideas. frank miller has stated before that he never liked the idea that superheroes would just date a regular person. that why wouldn't superheroes date people as fantastical as they are. this was stated in an interview he did about daredevil. that's kind of one of the reason why he created elektra to be Matt's girlfriend.
@@austinmeghuto be fair, have you ever tried typing with adrenaline pumping through your system.
Having sex and typing are two vastly different things.
@@blackhand441you havent seen these guys keyboards under a blacklight
The fool believes that Superman is too strong to have sex with humans. The intellectual is convinced that Superman can control his strength so that he would not hurt his partners. But the wise man knows that Superman gets pegged
So, here's a funny thing. When I was first really getting into comics, having only read Scooby-Doo comics up to that point, I picked up this book. I'd heard talk of 'Frank Miller's Dark Knight' and how great it was. I wish they had specified Dark Knight Returns, because I couldn't tell from the cover this was a sequel, and didn't see the other one. Even from someone who didn't know the characters' decades old lore, who didn't understand any of the cultural references, I knew this was bad. I then spent a few years saying Dark Knight was terrible and everyone else was crazy. It was a terrible way to start superhero comics.
39:35 it's the smoke from his costume change. When the questions face is sealed it's with a vapor that changes the color of his clothes. Like in justice league unlimited 🦇
I have the suspicion that this is the multi million dollar equivalent to the scenario of being "the drawing kid" in school and having the other kids in school ask "CAN YOU DRAW X?" because you're famous for it and you wanna move on BUT nobodys letting you and eventually you go "SCREW IT." And draw that thing they asked so long for and it is the single worst piece of garbage you possibly could muster to get them to stop.
Then the kids say you suck at drawing and quit asking! Brilliant! 😂
I'm actually in disbelief... 2 hours 40 minutes... of DK2...? This might just be the best back issues episode of all time. Thank you for this one, guys, from the bottom of my heart. I hope you all recover from this episode. ❤️
Wow two Frank Miller books in a row. Are we going for the three peat and see his early Daredevil work?
Please! I love Millers Daredevil. Hot Take: I prefer his DD over his Batman
Yessssssss I've been hoping you'd redo this one for yearsss
1:31:55 Sal keeping receipts is lowkey the best part of the whole video. Anytime he drops a "Eat me" I know it's a good takedown
KINOS BACK ON THE MENU BOYS
I am unfathomably happy to be watching this. I had always been disappointed we missed out on the glory of you guys discussing this in full last time
0:39 The book hasn’t even been opened, and Ethan’s soul has left his body.
WHAT?? That comment about "where does a wish goes" came from THIS?? Oh no that's priceless
The Mask of Zorro came out in 1998. Maybe he loved that movie so much that he couldn't help making some sort of reference when he came back to Batman.
It is because Frank Miller made it canon to his version of Batman that I imagine he left the Batboys and Carrie Kelly in a cave isolated making sure they ate rats to survive.
00:37 under a minute in and my first outburst of laughter. This gonna be good XD
It blows my mind that a 2.5 hour movie can easily be a slog for me (with a few exceptions of course) But a 2hr 40min Comic POP episode flies by, and I am engaged the entire time! A testament to Sal's incredible penchant for storytelling, and impressive ability to pace every book accordingly. Sal is an underrated talent to say the least.
A 2ND DARK KNIGHT HAS STRUCK THE CHANNEL.
1:08:02 The wrist-mounted Batarang shotgun is my favorite of all of Batman's 'non-lethal' arsenal
I remember reading this and walking my happy ass right back to One Piece
I was one of the many that said "Batman & Bruce should of actually died at the end of DKR. Hand everything down to Kelley, cause not then what was the point?"
@@ScarletPattieLayla hi
DK2 - Clint Eastwood and Robert Heinlein had a Crack Baby while reading William Gibson's Sprawl Trilogy and utterly missing the point of all three.
1:05:00 I love that you got this so much , the second Cosplay models became such a hit irl in the early 00s then streamers who Cosplay took off I was like "frank called all of this "
I've been watching all the episodes backwards from most recent (I'm around episode 70-something) and I think this episode is near perfect.
This episode is very well done. The set, sound, format (research, synopsis, cuts to comic pages etc...), confident delivery and banter are all great.
Y'all deserve all the success you receive (a bit more in my opinion). Keep up the good work.
Holy. Crap. I'm so glad you guys went back for this one
Ah DK2, my 1st comic I ever read and instantly said "Wow, this is trash!"
That was SUCH a good episode! And they made FOURTH Dark Knight Returns book?!
So cool that Tom King told you that, shame that he didn't tell you everything but i think contacting retired comicbook creators who don't care about hidding their secrets because of their carreer like in the Hulk vs Superman episode could be pretty cool then
I believe the "crazy digital fire" of the Question meants to represent the binary gas that comes out of Vic Sage's belt buckle that bonds his mask to his face.
Frank Miller is a fascinating case of artist degradation. He had a unique solid style back in the 90s and early 2000s.
And then he just got worse and worse and worse. He somehow let his own style became an ugly unnapealing mess.
People kept paying him even though he put in less effort. Why put in any extra effort if there is no reward? I mean apart from having pride in your work and artistic integrity.
YESSSS LOOK AT THE LENGTH OF THIS VIDEO!!!! LETS GOOOO
I don't really think Miller's ideologies changed between TDKR and DK2, they just had time to fester. If you consider what the X-Men mean and what he turned into with the mutant gang, that's pretty much the outlook that X-Men villains have.
What I find most interesting in Frank Milker's Dark Knight 2 comic is the continuation of the criticism regarding the role of the press and the excessive sexualization of television programming. While the world is on the brink of chaos and destruction, debates in the media are occupied by topics regarding three sexy girls who call themselves "The Super Hotties". The journalistic program "The Naked Truth" in which the presenter gets naked is also hilarious.
You guys make me so happy! What an episode this promises to be! Long live Comicpop!
This was a great crazy Uncle Frank episode. I hoped we'd get a redux of this one and to learn something new about the meat and potatoes about this universe. It's a true maddening work of art.
This time around you gave me a way more vivid impression of this book than the first time around... I hate it even more now.
As someone who doesn't love The Dark Knight Returns (I like it, I don't love it the way others do), I dreaded The Dark Knight Strikes Again. Imagine my surprise when the majority of people disliked it. I thought for sure fans were gonna do with Miller like what they do with Jim Lee where they'd praise it as an instant classic just because of the creator. Nope!
And as for Denny O'Neil and Frank Miller not getting along, I can see that. We don't know the exact reasons why but it seems like two different styles clashing. I've always been annoyed people credit Frank Miller for taking Batman out of the campy sixties era, when Denny O'Neil and his contemporaries did that almost a decade before.
“Wapners on!” Never has such a niche phrase signaled such a specific memory for a demographic of people that grew up in the 80s/90s and remember the OG Peoples Court! Im so goddamn OLD!!! lol
2:24:57 if Sherk 2 could do a white bronco chase parody, this book definitely would have done it in the 90s.
🤣🤣🤣
So Cool!!! Thanks for this!! This really made my day :)
I love it when you guys cover terrible comics. Hopefully you'll cover Frank Miller's Holy Terror sometime in the future
That would get de-monitized before its done uploading
This book was absolute garbage. One of the most unnecessary sequels of all time.
BEEN WAITING FOR THIS ONE❤
One of the biggest crimes in UA-cam was when you unfortunately lost the second half of the first DK2 episode. So awesome you guys did this redux.
Nobody is going to read this, but i just wanted to mention that there are a couple of moments where the intentions of Varley was very clear to me but seamed to be very confusing for Sal. The page where cat girl is jumping the building is on the background and its size is distorded and it has a blur effect. To me is clear that is indicating speed, it looks blurry because is the perspective of Kerry. And the panel with the question. Vic sage uses a gas to remove the special mask that makes him look faceless, that was just already part of the character. I am not really defending the coloring because it made it confusing. I was able to pick that up quickly because of the context on the story and my previous knowledge on the characters like the question removing his mask at that point. I just found it funny that Sal was so confused about it. loved the video.
IMMEDIATELY read the opening text NOT in Frank Miller’s voice, but in SAL’s Frank Miller voice! 😂
I love how Ethan tries to find reason in someone as unreasonable as Frank miller
This is awesome! Happy you guys decided to revisit this book.
My personal theroy is that Frank was trying to make Luthor look like Dick Cheyney
I just want to congratulate Lana Lang and Lois Lane tying the knot in the Miller-verse as confirmed by Lana Lane
33:25 blew my mind Sal and I’ve seen Starship Troopers so many times. It makes the movie even better for me.
Totally love this episode AND the comic itself. It is always a super fun reading, and really entertaining. Cheers from a not-destroyed-by-an-asteroid Buenos Aires!!
Omfg it's nearly as long as the Doomsday Clock video 😂😂😂
Hoping for you to cover Holy Terror one day in a three hour long epic like this one but I don’t know if you ever will for obvious reasons.
Happy birthday Sal!
The Best Channel on UA-cam, bar none.
Feature length no less!
Having heard all the terrible reviews over two decades and only briefly thumbed through the trade, this is honestly the most interested in this story I've been, ever. I know you guys are telling me it's still awful even after a re-evaluation, but honestly the way Sal tells it I'm moderately intrigued now. Man spins a good yarn.
I can’t believe DC published that.
i mean dc has published stories where you would say, "can't believe they published that". this isn't really a surprise.
I thought I had seen this episode before. I’m glad Sal confirmed I wasn’t crazy right at the start.
Week 8 of demanding you cover the Books of Doom and What If Secret Wars and ALL OBEY DOOM!!!
Wait wait wait, you already did this. This is how I found the channel. I read this piece of shit and was like "what the actual fuck is going on in this book?!? I need someone to explain this shit to me!!" And then Sal confirmed this book is nonsense ❤ Been a back issues fan for ten years now ❤ So glad we're getting back into this!! 😂
i don't think it's all total nonsense, because the core theme of the story is about fighting against a corrupt system.
Jesus, this book was like whiplash. I bought it when it was new, because DKR and Sandman got me into western comics again.
Structureless story, ugly art, and the colors appear like they were created by a Trapper Keeper that was dropping acid to deal with it's impending divorce.
I'm going to start using " with the serial number filed off".
I loved the redux, more of this please! can't wait for secret wars
I have been waiting for this for almost 10 years
That opening captured my reaction to seeing this vid uploaded 👏
Ben and Ethan shock when you held the yell hahaha
I’m going to have to order pizza for this one.
It’s interesting see someone like miller be against bush era politics, which he seems to really enjoy in holy terror
its movie time. buttering up the popcorn
“DK2”
Donkey Kong??? 😃
Oh…
1:07:05 knuckles the echidna:
"I bought the absolute edition, so we could look at it again, but BIG."
Sal you hilarious madman, thank you.
2.5 hrs of my favorite podcast of all time? Count me in!
A redo of one of Crazy Uncle Frank’s stories?? Yes please!
I've said that about Starship Troopers forever, the bugs never showed any ability to shoot asteroids after the Buenos Ares attack! It was clearly just an excuse to go to full scale war with the bugs!
Perfect timing for the commute home! And a second listen as I go to sleep too 😂
The panel of the bat boys flying down look like space ghost coast to coast