Matt Hardy SHOOTS on Booker T's controversial feud with Triple H
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- Опубліковано 26 лют 2023
- In this exclusive clip from "The Extreme Life of Matt Hardy," Matt Hardy and Jon Alba discuss Booker T's controversial feud with Triple H from WrestleMania 19, how the locker room perceived it, and whether or not Vince McMahon fed into racial stereotypes.
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I feel like this angle wouldn't be nearly as controversial now if Booker had won at Wrestlemania.
Of course not, Booker would’ve been the underdog who won and (temporarily) stopped the reign of terror (Triple H would’ve undoubtedly bitched and got the title back like a month or two max later)
He wouldn’t have been the underdog who got a slightly racist promo cut on him, sat in the ring after like a full 5mins and then who got pinned after all that time to recover.
A win would’ve been the epitome of butterfly effect and changed Booker T’s career.
Id have given it to BOOKER at Mania in a triple threat with Steiner. Had him defend it against HHH, Jericho and Christian, and then lose it to a transitional champion that Goldberg beats at summerslam 2003. HHH can win it back by Armageddon heading into WM20
Good ole Paul.
Could Bury an elephant with one look.
Exactly
@@xPadge112xThat's a testament to his commitment to the character. He's a bad guy.
Booker Had the in ring ability, great on the mic and promos, and fans loved him, he had a charisma almost on par with the rock. Vince didn’t want a dark skin blacc heavy weight champion as the face. Ppp. Bring up the Rock but rock was light skin an only half blacc which in Vince mind was more accent
Even Ron Simmons was too dark for Vince. Kofi, bobby lashley and big e won BUT look at where they are now.
Yes he did, he pushed Ahmed Johnson.
Bobby Lashley?
@@iswindersingh1085 Took him a while to finally win the WWE title, sure he won the WWECW Title but had to wait over 15 years after his debut in 2005 with stints in and out of the company to finally win WWE title at a time where WWE finally put the belt on multiple black superstars towards the early 2020s. Before that, look at who was a black WWE or World Heavyweight Champion. Only Booker T and The Rock won those titles in the 2000s
Kofi is African though. So is Big E. I wouldn't count that.
Shelton and Bobby are better examples.
Triple h did more then just pin him clean, he took ages to go for the pin after the pedigree. Made booker look weak as hell.
HHH was concussed. Book confirmed this on his show. He nailed him with the Harlem Hangover on the head.
flair interfered so its argueably wasnt a clean win all the way
Losing after the promo was more insulting seems like triple h was trying to bury him if he was comfortable enough doing that promo he should’ve been comfortable enough to put Booker over
I can pinpoint the exact moments I tuned out of watching WWE. Booker T losing to HHH and then HHH hoarding the title for ages and Super Cena beating everyone and kicking out of everyone's finishers all the time.
*now insert Reigns into this scenario
So when was it? If you were watching for the Super Cena era that was more than two years after HHH beat Booker T. So I guess this angle didn’t piss you off that much if you stick around for 2+ years 😂
@@Matt-cr4vv I get what he’s saying. I didn’t actively watch either but I followed on websites and podcasts.
Didn't mind the "Reign of Terror" as much as everyone else does. I think Booker T definitely deserved to take the belf off of Triple H and maybe Kane or RVD should've, too. But the Super Cena shit is what really bored me.
@@Matt-cr4vvYou don't get it. Reality doesn't work in a perfect linear order that it does in your own mind. And one key thing you didn't comprehend in his contexts was the phrase *_"the exact moments"_* He gave you each moment he tuned out meaning he tried to get back into it again but tuned right back out
That’s why I love how austin walked out
Which Austin? Just making sure.
Steve austin, he walked out in 2002 due to creativity and the direction the company was going I was always glad he walked out good enough for the company @@JerkyD
@@merledixonforce Thanks, just making sure since Austin Aries also walked out.
They did booker bad. From the rock.. to the store ass whooping Austin gave him to triple h beating him at mania.. that made sure they buried him good
Let’s just call a spade a spade, Vince is racist.
A spade... I think that's racist actually. ..
EXACTLY
I heard originally that Vince wanted Booker to win and resolve the storyline, but Triple H refused at the last minute.
@@ce6654of course he did he buried Booker didn’t get another chance to win until he was the king Booker gimmick he was a mid carder after that wrestlemania match hhh buried him
@@donaldb93 I hated that era. When Batista finally ended it, that was amazing.
I think if Triple H allowed Booker T to go over Him at Wrestlemania 19 then they’re build up to that match wouldn’t be so controversial especially when that belt shouldn’t mean anything to Triple H but I believe due to the time Triple H was wrestling in WCW trying to make His way up to the WCW heavyweight championship level, They wouldn’t allow Him to get there, That probably stuck with Him until He got His chance to have the WCW heavyweight championship in WWE burying former WCW heavyweight champions like Booker T, Scott Steiner and Goldberg
Never looked at it that way . Interesting point. I forgot all about Terra Ryzing lol!
Vince is the booker, not HHH.
Don't forget his STUPID win over Sting. 😑😒
@@Speedyreedy1218that’s true but HHH had a lot of power and was political there’s no way he was gonna do a job for Booker HHH buried him with that promo and lose
@donaldb93 Wrong. HHH and Vince disagreed about a lot of Creative. He shut down things H wanted.
HHH lost to Booker several times before and after WM19 though.
Booker T should have won at WrestleMania XIX but whether or not it was subconscious from VKM & maybe I’m the only one who thinks this but I can’t help but think the real reason he maybe was not booked to win the title at WMXIX was because Booker was a WCW guy & not a WWF/E guy
I think Booker chase HHH for belt up until bad blood and maybe have Booker win the belt Judgment Day. Then Hunter win it back.
@@brandongreene9319 after WrestleMania XIX Booker T was booked in an Intercontinental Title Rivalry with Christian while Triple H with his Revolution stable was booked into a Kliq feud with Shawn Michaels & Kevin Nash followed by the World Title Feud with Goldberg. Booker T wouldn’t be booked as World Champ until after he won King of the Ring which gave him his King Booker gimmick
@@ImmortalRimas and that is why I say that Booker should have Chase Hunter for the belt. Because Raw didn't have any good big angles going on at the time.
They buried so many of the WCW top talent, it follows with that pattern.
Every real wrestling fan knows this was exactly how booker T was almost buried, you mix that with the fact he was a wcw guy. This is in the same category as the Montreal screw job imo
I understand hes an old rich white man, but I'm surprised people in WWE didn't check Vince for his racist/goofy stuff.
It's a soap opera though-don't draw reality into it.
@JDINCINERATOR If my boss of color calls me a cracker on live TV I'm gonna go off script on his ass on live TV... So I for damn sure expect it the other way around too. I ain't no sucka for a paycheck, respect me as a hunan being or let me gtfoh.
@@datboisteve6992 I believe Theodore Long used the term "cracker" a few times as a manager and a GM.
@@jdbruiser I don't recall that, Playa.
Agreed.. more former talents should come out and expose vince for being a racist prick.
There's also the Jordan Myles/HHH blackface T-shirt controversy years back.
Was never a triple H fan he always got what he wanted cuz of his relationahip with vince
False.
Not false it’s facts
@Itstheenemyhoe Very false.
Never always got what he wanted. Vince shot down things he wanted, delayed some stuff too.
Go read/listen to shoots with HHH from the 90s to the present. Not hearsay from others.
@@Urbanizemecapn It's false.
@@UrbanizemecapnHHH had talent but there’s a lot of evidence out there he was one of the most political guys in the locker room he buried Booker with that racist promo and lose
Gotta remember guys from wcw we’re always treated differently. Hhh was a home grown talent plus son in law he wasn’t gonna let a 5 time 5 time 5 time wcw champ hold the wwe most valuable belt that’s why he had to hold the b heavyweight championship
Matt has a point about what Vince might have been going for but not only was it done badly but also done at Wrestlemania where typically the good guy would prevail over the villainous heel especially who let loose in that feud like Triple H did. The payoff should have been Booker getting his justice at Mania.
all they had to do was give booker t his wrestlemania moment in 2003, give him the title, even if triple h took it back at backlash. Selfish burial
Booker T should have won period. But at least he's a made man in WWE. A lot of guys like Big Show, Kane, Mark Henry are gone.
Booker said he only cared about the paycheck he got.
Of course he's going to say that.
That makes it worse imo
Low key sold his dignity a bit and I can tell he wants to say a lot more about the situation but wwe contract doesn’t let him
Diplomacy
Exactly why I lost respect for booker. He had to portray a white British accent to be a world champ.
the loss itself was a statement but the drawn out ending was just vince saying “don’t try that shit again”
Organic Book came in as the world champ thats the only way i can look on the whole run
That promo really rub me the wrong way....their match at mania just turn me off from watching RAW
I remember attending a house show in Houston 04 ish and evolution beat down Shelton Benjamin for no less than 10 minutes lol no fued no reason 😮
If anything he should have been in contention for the wwe title
Did he really say "let's call a spade a spade" while questioning Vince McMahon's social awareness?
I;d like to respond to Jon Alba's seemingly implying that Vince McMahon was a racist in 2003 based off of how he booked black wrestlers. I would say that he booked them the same as he would book anyone that wasn't world championship material or went longer than 3 years without getting over. The only difference, is that there simply weren't that many black people that wanted to be professional wrestlers at that time, and there were maybe 8 black wrestlers om the roster at a time every year. You would occasionally have that rare person, like Warrior, who had a great physique and presence but not the best wrestling ability that Vince would want to push to the moon and the guy would be privileged over veterans because of their presence, who would also happen to be black, like Ahmed Johnson, but the person would mess it all up wit their antics behind the scenes. Once more and more black people wanted to become pro wrestlers, and more and more anomalies made it to the main rosters, of course, you started seeing more and more black world champions and black performers in the main event. Bobby Lashley, Big E, Booker T, Mark Henry, Kofi Kingston, etc were always going to have much more of a shot at the main event than Godfather, D-Lo Brown, Scorpio, Virgil, or Zeus. Farooq, Tony Atlas, and Junk Yard Dog could have, but they were in the wrong era where they just weren't going to replace Austin and Hogan.
Exactly. Vince doesn't care about WHO you are, but what you bring to the table.
It would have been cool to see Booker beat Triple H and shove the racist shit he took down Hunter's throat. As usual politics got in the way and they made Booker lose. Too bad. Booker was great in the ring, on the mic, a harder worker and he was entertaining in the ring.
actually triple h didnt fully beat him clean. ric flair interfered while booker was on the top rope
Ah listen i make pastitsi
HHH wasn't "the boss' son in law" at WM19.
Nice try.
The year is 2024 Triple H is the Booker of for the WWE organization and under his leadership not one black wrestler is having any success. When people tell you who they are please believe that they are telling you the truth…
Matt Hardy starts talking about these new era goofs and i immediately start falling asleep
I wish triple h was actually racist so people stop crying
He has racist undertones but not a full blown bigot
He is actually racist so you got your wish lol
@@memk4749 no, I mean like out loud and admittedly. Triple H learned how to wrestle where I live right now. We both understand that it’s okay to be this way because it’s okay for them to be racist about us.
@@memk4749 he aint you nerd
There's countless points of showing triple H(and Shawn Michaels)for that matter was racist in the past I can pinpoint dozens of reasons don't get me started
The right guy won. Fans of old school Harley Race would've got it.
Guess people forgot about Rock calling Booker's hair nappy in 2001, or Lawler calling Foley's hair nappy in 2000.
But marks love hating on HHH.
#HHHatersGonnaHHHate #TeamTrips
Rock is black and Samoan mix~
Jerry and foley both r white …
@torch469 Rock is Canadian Black.
Yes, Foley and Jerry are both white.
None of this has anything to do with something racist being said because it wasn't.
They said the same thing to different people and neither person singled out a race. They talked about the texture of an individual's hair. That is not racist. To borrow from Rock: "It doesn't matter" who said it to whom.
I dont care, Vince saying the N word was hilarious and an all time great clip.
Still Hate Triple HHH and always will...