Video is cool but I don’t really know what you’re talking about, you talk about his come up then his white fanbase as if it matters. He’s inspired by lots of white icons which mostly bred the rockstar image. The reason he hangs around lots of white people, is because white people are also creative. Sexisdeath and blackhaine are both apart of cartis creative team (not opium) and basically set him up for every appearance he makes besides shows and random pop outs, his manager is also white. edit: also I didn’t mention this but he has a tattoo of one his biggest influences who is also a white man and a punk icon. The reason carti has a mysterious character is because he doesn’t like people knowing what he’s doing all the time, not to mention he’s in atlanta and obviously has a lot of enemies. He’s also on a lot of drugs, like a lot of drugs everyday. This is why sometimes he looks like he’s not real or his eyes have no soul, his affiliates have commented on his sobriety recently and carti has been looking a lot healthier as people commented he looks normal. But carti is also very smart, he cares more about his image than his music or fanbase and a lot of his image is just faked. Right now and for the past few months after the fake rollout it looks like he’s going back to his NYC style.
I dont know i feel like playboi carti only caters to white fan base visually with fashion photos and videos. This is probably because he likes metal and punk and the fact that at the time hip hop media was pushing the idea that mumble rap is punk rap so he leaned into it. Musically he works with mostly black artists and doesn't try to crossover his trap sound unlike for example kanye and drake which in the the past made music to appeal to white fans using music elements common in pop and rock to prove themselves to their white fans. Thats the main difference between carti and uzi aesthetically carti is trying to position himself like a white rock star
very great points! i think white devoted fans are unavoidable in commercial rap...no matter how politically conscious one rhymes(kendrick ). carti's punk seems authentic to me, and his white rockstar persona...more a consequence of black punk history being forgotten. i dapple in the alternative/punk space, but never really felt comfortable for the longest time. bullying from black peers for being weird or "too white" and then racism from white folks. the donald glover blerd complex, but i matured and found a black alt community. that's my biggest gripe with carti's punk...it doesn't seem for me yet despite the cool music. sayou
I disagree. Why do we attribute being punk as white music? if anything, hes waking up the black culture to other types of sounds and genres to break black people out the box of rap and hip hop... Having different interests outside of rap, hip hop, and R&B doesn't mean hes trying to cater to white fans, nor is it "anti white" like people said in the video. Thats just ridiculous. Its like some people cant comprehend enjoying something other than rap as a black person, and then we knock them for embracing other things building false narratives and saying they are abandoning the culture when thats not the case at all....
@@solo4real688exactly! Punk and Rock derive from Blues which is black music. This has been stated by many white rock icons. Kurt Cobain even said in his journal entries “The negro’s contribution to rock is unmeasurable”. It was born from “negros” Robert Johnson to be exact.
i completely agree with your reply about his "mysterious act" being boring. stuff like behind the scenes content, snippets, active social medias would be very nice. I follow Ye quite a bit and he does share stuff like that sometimes but it seems to only be when he is manic. Hopefully carti stops the mysterious shit one day
Super underrated video this is great. Very well researched and thoughtful and I really wish there was more of this kinda conversation in the Carti community. I think that carti is an extremely interesting and talented artist, but as far as a person is basically a piece of shit, like it’s pretty much undeniable after all we know about him. But still, there’s something sort of intoxicating about how in an era where old movie stars are making tiktoks for ads and shit carti kinda stays out of the spotlight and preserves that old kinda audience-artist relationship we don’t get that much nowadays. It makes it easier to focus on the music not the man too. I dunno but good job!
yeah, despite the confusing rollout if he drops today the album will do numbers. he delivers when it comes to his music, and that's something you can't take away from him. also wonder if the mysterious persona is both ego-driven/aesthetic core...or carti genuinely being introverted-"art speaks for itself". sayou
I feel as though the things everyone is claiming are directed to white fans, belong to black culture in the first place ( rock // metal // vamp aesthetics ) all these things wouldnt be here without black culture first inventing it, i even think the edgy goth stuff may have been started by screamin jay hawkins.
📍yo, i pronounced nudy, agwe & cochise names wrong. maybe others? i enunciate things weirdly sometimes(i’m a fast talker, so sounds like i’m slurring words). hopefully it doesn’t distract from the video & appreciate all the feedback…and jokes. y’all are very passionate and hilarious, and this comment space is exactly for that! sayou
I can only speak for myself and my circle but if you’re aware of the underground creative/fashion/music scene in the UK and London you’ll see that it’s not mostly white ppl and rather a great mix of many people with different backgrounds
interesting approach on white validation and blackophilia - since I am from Germany I can tell you that over here obviously the fans are predominantly white as well but Carti received a huge spike in European fanboys in 2021, sometime after the release of WLR. So many teens here look up to mainstream US culture (not necessarily black culture tho, just current rap trends I would say) and Carti now is a part of that mainstream movement. In my opinion this hype around 0pium will die out eventually and only the core fanbase will stay but time will tell.
Carti's opium punk wave is a whole gimmick though. Never seen someone turn punk years after they become a multi millionaire. Also never seen a punk listening to Carti, most I met don't even know the ninja. It reminds me of them kpop plastic dolls trying to act "black". WWE is hiring Mr. Cartier...
I aint kno the rico nasty shit but uts obvious they all wanted to heart carti and Ken tf😂 and they black like as her so wtf is she talking about?? I aint gon lie tho Carti has white fans for sure but anybody does and its only cuz hes doing the punk shit cuz they sayin this
Rico nasty hate only really happened because of people only wanting to see carti, same is going ok with 2hollis rn with KenCarsons tour, people screaming "we want ken", just needa get a opener who people wont disrespect
I never got the hype surrounding him listening to him I’m not the massive fan of mumble rap but I’ve grown to like it, I grew up loving lyrical driven rap/hip hop music, I do agree he’s one of those rappers that curate to those white hip hop fans while holding up a white gaze centric persona I do prefer Rico nasty, lil Uzi vert etc tbh
i share a similar sentiment regarding mumble rap, but quickly got accustomed. it's a young person's game, and i do not want to be that one (older) hip hop head complaining. he's extremely talented, but the mysterious act gets boring. i want rappers to explain their creative process and art more. sayou
the term is important because it celebrates and acknowledges black people in the punk and alternative space. whose participation was largely ignored and undermined due to racism. it's not new, and the word has been around since 2003. words are meaningful, and "Afro-punk", "Afro-Punk", "Afropunk" or "AfroPunk" has a lot of contextual history. sayou
Person who has no actual knowledge on punk says the term afro-punk “suddenly” became a thing. Just do some research next time… or at the very least dont be so dismissive when asking a question
I am sorry I love you but, it's called awge like in aww without the o. But you winning, so I will stop hating.
@@7saba.saba7 yoo appreciate it, had no idea how to pronounce it…can’t even front!
sayou
@@the_griotsalso young noo-dee
Video is cool but I don’t really know what you’re talking about, you talk about his come up then his white fanbase as if it matters. He’s inspired by lots of white icons which mostly bred the rockstar image. The reason he hangs around lots of white people, is because white people are also creative. Sexisdeath and blackhaine are both apart of cartis creative team (not opium) and basically set him up for every appearance he makes besides shows and random pop outs, his manager is also white.
edit: also I didn’t mention this but he has a tattoo of one his biggest influences who is also a white man and a punk icon.
The reason carti has a mysterious character is because he doesn’t like people knowing what he’s doing all the time, not to mention he’s in atlanta and obviously has a lot of enemies. He’s also on a lot of drugs, like a lot of drugs everyday. This is why sometimes he looks like he’s not real or his eyes have no soul, his affiliates have commented on his sobriety recently and carti has been looking a lot healthier as people commented he looks normal. But carti is also very smart, he cares more about his image than his music or fanbase and a lot of his image is just faked. Right now and for the past few months after the fake rollout it looks like he’s going back to his NYC style.
Yo wtf was this video even about😭
"he went to play playstation with UZI?!?!" i lost it 😂😂😂😂😂
I dont know i feel like playboi carti only caters to white fan base visually with fashion photos and videos. This is probably because he likes metal and punk and the fact that at the time hip hop media was pushing the idea that mumble rap is punk rap so he leaned into it. Musically he works with mostly black artists and doesn't try to crossover his trap sound unlike for example kanye and drake which in the the past made music to appeal to white fans using music elements common in pop and rock to prove themselves to their white fans. Thats the main difference between carti and uzi aesthetically carti is trying to position himself like a white rock star
very great points! i think white devoted fans are unavoidable in commercial rap...no matter how politically conscious one rhymes(kendrick ). carti's punk seems authentic to me, and his white rockstar persona...more a consequence of black punk history being forgotten. i dapple in the alternative/punk space, but never really felt comfortable for the longest time. bullying from black peers for being weird or "too white" and then racism from white folks. the donald glover blerd complex, but i matured and found a black alt community. that's my biggest gripe with carti's punk...it doesn't seem for me yet despite the cool music.
sayou
I disagree. Why do we attribute being punk as white music? if anything, hes waking up the black culture to other types of sounds and genres to break black people out the box of rap and hip hop... Having different interests outside of rap, hip hop, and R&B doesn't mean hes trying to cater to white fans, nor is it "anti white" like people said in the video. Thats just ridiculous. Its like some people cant comprehend enjoying something other than rap as a black person, and then we knock them for embracing other things building false narratives and saying they are abandoning the culture when thats not the case at all....
@@solo4real688exactly! Punk and Rock derive from Blues which is black music. This has been stated by many white rock icons. Kurt Cobain even said in his journal entries “The negro’s contribution to rock is unmeasurable”. It was born from “negros” Robert Johnson to be exact.
Carti does hang out with alt black people there's a lot of videos of it after a summer smash performance this year
i completely agree with your reply about his "mysterious act" being boring. stuff like behind the scenes content, snippets, active social medias would be very nice. I follow Ye quite a bit and he does share stuff like that sometimes but it seems to only be when he is manic. Hopefully carti stops the mysterious shit one day
i disagree i think the mysetrious act is the best decision carti has made
I dislike it but at the same time it’s a large part of his appeal 🤷 2 things can be true at once
He's never going to stop being mysterious because it work
more videos on carti please, meybe one next about his androgynous looks
Super underrated video this is great. Very well researched and thoughtful and I really wish there was more of this kinda conversation in the Carti community.
I think that carti is an extremely interesting and talented artist, but as far as a person is basically a piece of shit, like it’s pretty much undeniable after all we know about him. But still, there’s something sort of intoxicating about how in an era where old movie stars are making tiktoks for ads and shit carti kinda stays out of the spotlight and preserves that old kinda audience-artist relationship we don’t get that much nowadays. It makes it easier to focus on the music not the man too. I dunno but good job!
yeah, despite the confusing rollout if he drops today the album will do numbers. he delivers when it comes to his music, and that's something you can't take away from him. also wonder if the mysterious persona is both ego-driven/aesthetic core...or carti genuinely being introverted-"art speaks for itself".
sayou
I feel as though the things everyone is claiming are directed to white fans, belong to black culture in the first place ( rock // metal // vamp aesthetics ) all these things wouldnt be here without black culture first inventing it, i even think the edgy goth stuff may have been started by screamin jay hawkins.
We wuz vamps and shiet
@@liennn5772 💀💀
📍yo, i pronounced nudy, agwe & cochise names wrong. maybe others?
i enunciate things weirdly sometimes(i’m a fast talker, so sounds like i’m slurring words).
hopefully it doesn’t distract from the video & appreciate all the feedback…and jokes.
y’all are very passionate and hilarious, and this comment space is exactly for that!
sayou
u mad underrated keep it up!
Yap Fest never talk down on Carti ever again or else 😡😡😡😡😡
he went to play the playstation with lil oozie goes hard on Poke It Out beat
10:19 it's pronounced "co-cheese" but this video is great
thank you! hopefully my enunciation wasn't too distracting.
sayou
This is an amazing video
awesome vid 🙏🏽 love your perspective on culture and detailed research keep it up
Great work
Love this video, carti fans are the best
this is put together great
I can only speak for myself and my circle but if you’re aware of the underground creative/fashion/music scene in the UK and London you’ll see that it’s not mostly white ppl and rather a great mix of many people with different backgrounds
This Was A Really Good Video
I watch this video so often because its just sooo true
interesting approach on white validation and blackophilia - since I am from Germany I can tell you that over here obviously the fans are predominantly white as well but Carti received a huge spike in European fanboys in 2021, sometime after the release of WLR. So many teens here look up to mainstream US culture (not necessarily black culture tho, just current rap trends I would say) and Carti now is a part of that mainstream movement. In my opinion this hype around 0pium will die out eventually and only the core fanbase will stay but time will tell.
Carti makes music for everyone no matter ur race gender or anything else stop wit dis yap session
holy shit you have no idea what the video was talking about do you?
Carti grew up in upper middle class Atlanta around mostly white people
Carti's opium punk wave is a whole gimmick though. Never seen someone turn punk years after they become a multi millionaire. Also never seen a punk listening to Carti, most I met don't even know the ninja. It reminds me of them kpop plastic dolls trying to act "black". WWE is hiring Mr. Cartier...
We actin like he wassnt wearing iconic og punk pieces since 2016
I aint kno the rico nasty shit but uts obvious they all wanted to heart carti and Ken tf😂 and they black like as her so wtf is she talking about?? I aint gon lie tho Carti has white fans for sure but anybody does and its only cuz hes doing the punk shit cuz they sayin this
wait.. so black people don't really like carti that much?
No well not the ones that live in the hood
@@Goyarxrd i see, im a white nigga from the suburbs so probably that's why i love carti
@@splitfeys4566??
@@mikeyjr3930 i'm a white nigga from the suburbs
@@Goyarxrd they love self titled
awge lil bro not awga
Rico nasty hate only really happened because of people only wanting to see carti, same is going ok with 2hollis rn with KenCarsons tour, people screaming "we want ken", just needa get a opener who people wont disrespect
fashion has nothing to do with race and more importantly carti wht friends are dressed like him so stop yapping please
you didn’t understand the video seedling
The white fans love him and Travis a lot tho
I never got the hype surrounding him listening to him I’m not the massive fan of mumble rap but I’ve grown to like it, I grew up loving lyrical driven rap/hip hop music, I do agree he’s one of those rappers that curate to those white hip hop fans while holding up a white gaze centric persona I do prefer Rico nasty, lil Uzi vert etc tbh
i share a similar sentiment regarding mumble rap, but quickly got accustomed. it's a young person's game, and i do not want to be that one (older) hip hop head complaining. he's extremely talented, but the mysterious act gets boring. i want rappers to explain their creative process and art more.
sayou
carti dont music for the white amuse💀 white ngas jus wanna relate and barely wat he be saying
why is it suddenly "afro-punk" just because it's a black person doing it? Just call it punk
the term is important because it celebrates and acknowledges black people in the punk and alternative space. whose participation was largely ignored and undermined due to racism. it's not new, and the word has been around since 2003. words are meaningful, and "Afro-punk", "Afro-Punk", "Afropunk" or "AfroPunk" has a lot of contextual history.
sayou
Person who has no actual knowledge on punk says the term afro-punk “suddenly” became a thing. Just do some research next time… or at the very least dont be so dismissive when asking a question