As someone who waits 6-8 years between system upgrades (and then builds a system a gen or two behind), thank you for your service as a beta tester, Jay 😁
@@xellestar Thats 10 more than an AMD5950x! It must be pretty good. Honestly, I can't follow CPU numbering these days, it makes no sense. At least AMD's past few CPU generations have followed a familiar pattern. If they stick to AM5 for next year, what will we well? 10050x?
You needed to watch DerBauer's newest video. He explains all the overclocking details. You need to keep the cpu under 70C. anything over and it limits itself. He was running 5.6ghz pcores and 4.9ghz ecores and getting 47.1k R23 scores. These new cpu's don't work like the prior gen ones.
Oldskool overclocker here. Won the Celeron600mhz lotery back in the day and boosted it to 900mhz. 1200mhz was doable but i was too scared to run that 24/7. Undervolting is my new hobby now. 12700k and 4070 5% less fast and system is quiet and going stable at way less wattage. So yeah, undervolting olé olé
I get more performance from urndervolting and limiting my temperatures. I have a 9950x I think it was limiting my performance hitting 95C. By dropping 30W and limiting to 85C, I get my best scores. Higher than out the box?
Overclocking has entered into it's practical limit at 10/7nm. Going from 7nm down to 5nm, electron leakage has went up -requiring the same current level to almost to where we were at 28nm. This means that we're seeing chip arch designers able to hit max freq as current being the hard limits, as a secondary, thermals. (Leaving little overclocking headroom if any) Larger node sizes would hit thermal limits before current limits when driving frequency. With it flipped, current before thermals, thermal runaway becomes an even bigger issue, to where we are seeing CPU's begin to internally throttle at 70C. This is also why we're seeing chiplet/tile designs and wider execution paths in Zen5 and ArrowLake. I'd be curious if LN2 overclocking these does. Cryogenic temps lowers drastically leakage.
Mostly True. Power consumption has not reduced as much as it did in earlier node shrinks. Leakage currents make it harder to maintain efficiency, so while newer nodes are more power-efficient than 28nm, they’ve been less efficient in shrinking power consumption relative to older node transitions. As fabrication technology shrinks (from 10nm to 7nm to 5nm and even smaller), electron leakage does indeed become a bigger problem. Smaller transistors have thinner gate oxides, and quantum tunneling causes leakage currents to rise, making it harder to push higher frequencies without significant power and heat penalties.
Considering that smaller processes aren’t actually smaller, just different configurations with different names. The 10nm takes up almost as much space as 7nm. They are just marketing names, relax
"Zero side thinkers" Yeah that applies to so much of society today.. really insane how people just can't think for themselves and never see things unless deliberately laid out for them (and even then can still miss it). Is critical thinking even taught in school anymore?
Critical thinking threatens traditions and the oldschool ways of doing, thinking, and saying, so people in positions of power who adhere to them benefit from curbing the spread of critical thinking. It's the same reason why civics isn't taught in schools.
It wasn't much better historically. Human ability to process information is limited and the amount of information is much greater than it was in the past.
It was 59 in my room before I started up my 11700K/RTX 3080 machine. It's been just idling in here for about an hour and it's up to 64, I definitely use my PC as a space heater as the weather cools off!
Disagree. It's the cool thing to do, a gimmick, then everything else. 😂 Please consider that in the time of 5% generational gains, that "only" 5% gain from OC starts sounding real nice. 🧐
@@71janas and what did that translate to in applications? Let me know how much of a benefit you got. Did you get a 17% increase in FPS? Did you get a 17% increase in render times?
Jay, derbauer today released a video and gets 5.7ghz all p-core and 4.9ghx all e-core with over 47600 score in the same benchmark, maybe his video might help gain info?
@@blackbirdpctech Jay's channel caters to normal tech bros. If you are looking for unreasonably technical analysis, then go to Debauer and other similar channels. Jay is for creating entertaining content for tech people who can't stand getting their entertainment from television the way normal people do.
Yeah I really don't care Jay, i just want to listen to you yapping in the back ground while i game. Coming from a 12900K i expected so much more, Thursday (10/24) i walked into Microcenter, got the Z890 board i wanted and they only had 265K, so I impulsively bought it. Today 10/27, i have officially returned both items, with the exception of exchanging the motherboard for a X870E chip-set, ill be waiting for 9000x3D series to officially switch back to AMD since the 2011's upset FX-8150 i bought a that time. Except this time, I'm not holding, I already swapped one major piece, now waiting for that CPU to drop. This feels almost exactly like 2011s FX-8150... its been 13 years of Intel for me, since those days and here I am... I'm going back!
Intel pretty much pooped the bed by setting on their hands from Haswell till first gen ryzen. Imagine if they would have done something different for five generations aside from telling use four cores and eight threads was plenty.
Electricity can be compared to water: Voltage = Pressure, which is require to overcome resistance (Ohms) and is why low Voltage can't electrocute you. Not enough pressure to overcome the resistance of the human body. Amp = AKA, current is the flow rate, how many gallons a minute. V x A = Watts or total power. Ohms is what controls how much Amps flow based on how many Volts is being pushed through that resistance.
@@monk3synuts V=IR or I=V/R or R=V/I V = Voltage R = Resistance (Ohms) I = Current (Amps) Which is why 0 Resistance = runaway current because anything divided by 0 is undefined. Either way, that quote is incorrect, "Ohm's law states that the electric current through a conductor between two points is directly proportional to the voltage across the two points." That, and I was trying to keep it simple, AKA comparing it to water pressure.
@@cloudanu Voltage is like the spiciness of an onion. The stronger the onion, the more it "pushes" tears to your eyes. Similarly, a higher voltage pushes electrons more forcefully through a circuit. Current, or amperage, compares to the number of onions you chop. If you cut just one onion (low current), there won't be many tears. But chopping ten onions (high current) will release a much stronger concentration of "spice" in the air, just as a higher current means a larger flow of electrons. Resistance is like the thickness of an onion’s skin. A thick skin makes it harder to reach the core of the onion (or the electrons in a circuit). A thinner skin provides less resistance. Power represents the combined effect of spiciness (voltage) and quantity of onions (current). If you have a very strong onion in large quantity, the effect will be intense, similar to high electrical power. Conversely, a mild onion in small quantity will produce only a weak sensation. There you go brother
They had to make it harder I’m sure sooo many people were killing their components cuz they didn’t know what they were doing and just threw max voltage at it and prolly instantly killed the parts.. that’s why they have made stuff harder cuz humans are stupid and will fuck stuff up so they have to save us from ourselves! lol it’s sad I know
@@waynetuttle6872, yeah. It’s highly software and architecture dependent. My workflow would probably be a fair fight between a 14900k or X3D and a dual Xeon workstation. You’d be surprised how much larger CAD and CAM projects can benefit from high core counts and lots of cache with more recent software updates. I was tempted to try a desktop platform again, then AMD had its issues with scheduling, Intel started burning up ring busses, and ECC support was questionable etc. I’m not going to fight with my tech to get a marginally useful single threaded improvement and questionable longevity/stability.
Falcon NW is straight up ripping people off at 7500$ with that system. The exact same system costs roughly 4500-5000$ to build. If they charge 500$-850$ because of their warranty and such okay, but its 2000-3000$ (depending on the exact components as they are fluid and do change from availability). There is absolutely 0 reason to be overcharging THAT much and expect people not to be mad at it.
Go try to buy a new 4090 these days and see how much you pay. The system cost of goods could possibly be closer to $5500. Yes, the warranty does have a cost, but let's assume their total cost of parts, labor, marketing, testing and support/maintenance is $6k, that's about 20 points of profit margin per unit, not an insane profit margin for a boutique low volume system. Low volume means higher risk of not moving enough units to break even. Company like Falcon Northwest shouldn't even bother selling a system with a profit margin below 15%. Dell on the other hand can still build a business on selling low end laptops at 12% margin because they know the volume will make up for lower margin.
Gamers are a strange tribe from a parallel Universum, strictly believing that more RGB makes the PC faster, and the difference between 102 and 105 fps helps them winning
I still think $7500 is way too much for what you’re getting. I’m pretty sure people had more of a problem that it seemed lacking in features, add-ons, and higher end hardware for what you’re paying.
It's silly. You can increase the price of a PC by stuffing it with a lot of unnecessary stuff like multiple drives, crazy amounts of RAM, an ultra-premium MOBO with features you'll never need. But why? Except for a very few niche users, it's just for bragging rights and people who have more money than they know what to do with.
@@BobBobson Did this build in PCPartpicker except for the case, its roughly 4500-5000$ depending on specific choices. You are paying 2000$ minimum overcharge for the system.
Yeah this price is goofy. It's $7500 for maybe $5000 in hardware, and there's nothing custom about it. It's got a paperweight cpu, no custom loop, and even a boring case. I get that every business prices their products to make a profit, but this is a massive markup for a very basic setup with expensive parts... Lowkey annoys me that Jay is actually trying to defend this insane price tag.
Overclocking my 7800X3D was like juicing sand. Overclocking my 7900XTX, on the other hand, was like the 2nd best athlete in the world took ROIDS! A Windows update reset my overclock, and I spent forever tuning it😭 Does anyone know if there's a way to recover settings?
7:39 PL4 is another "internal" power limit, "internal" because the implementation of Turbo Boost Technology 2.0 only requires configuring PL1, Tau and PL2. PL3 is disabled by default, but it would be "A threshold that if exceeded, the PL3 rapid power limiting algorithms will attempt to limit the duty cycle of spikes above PL3 by reactively limiting frequency", and PL4 is "A limit that will not be exceeded, the PL4 power limiting algorithms will preemptively limit frequency to prevent spikes above PL4." So it would basically react more aggressively than PL1/PL2, usually at a higher value for the limit. Because with PL1/PL2 you can still have a bit of overshoot for the actual power draw, for PL4 it would not allow any overshoot whatsoever.
I have to agree with GN Steve where he said, "these chips simply make no sense". Too expensive, requires motherboards which make them the most expensive platform intel has released in many years, suck way too much power, yet in test after test get beat not only by AM5 but often by their own cheaper previous gen and even AM4. Oh well maybe in a couple years (If they don't end up killing themselves like Raptor Lake) I'll pick up one on the used market.
IMHO I think the loss of hyperthreading is why there's such a massive loss of gains with OC now on P cores. There's simply a lot more E cores now than P cores, so pushing those hard their gains add up together to be more real performance than pushing P cores slightly, even though P cores at the base level are far more powerful.
It's obvious those CPU get out of factory already close to the limit (I mean, last gen was destroying itself for going too fast). The days of 2.6GHz oc'd to 4GHz are decades old.
I can't blame falcon northwest for making the silly system, this is what some people want. This is like the 200mph automobile, you can never go that fast unless you are insane or on a track or a very few special places in the world which are most likely thousands of miles from the owners home. Yet people have them. You can poke the company that makes the components, but they probably do have a niche case user here and there. Some folks just have money to throw at things so they feel better about whatever purchase, or don't care as they are not paying for it themselves like in a business scenario and the entire expense is a tax write off for someone.
@@reptilespantoso People deserve good products for how overpriced it is. It'd be like buying a lambo but the motor falls to pieces if you press the gas pedal more than halfway.
These parts and build are like 4500 5000 grand max, so bling means you get to rip people off? What is the extra 2500 bucks for? The actual build?? Lol yeah okay
I do kinda find it hard to get interested in new tech stuff when I know it's something I won't be able to ever remotely afford or make use of. Its like, how many supercars can you look at before you just don't care anymore, they're all effectively unobtanium and just kinda blur together. I paid less than 7500 for my car, I would never spend that much on any computer
I don't know how Jay doesn't know this, but you don't need to franticly press DEL to get into BIOS. Hold left shift, go Windows -> Restart -> click Troubleshoot. You'll load right into BIOS
I have always had a mid tier system, like 3070, 2060 super, etc, i finally have a high end build. 4080 super 7950x3d 64gb ram 1000 psu. Build costed me 3500 bucks, I have many extras in it as well. Not nessasary but i love it!
I wouldn't congratulate motherboard vendors that they didn't raise tmax as intel said because i have a feeling that it just wasn't changed from the previous gen
P cores probably only make sense for 1-2 thread boosts, otherwise giving power budget to the E cores seems to be the way to go. also the DLVR is burning A TON of power in high load scenarios, so the next priority would be reducing the switching losses of the DLVR by optimizing the voltage levels so the input voltage can be closer to the output voltages. you probably want all the voltages fed by the DLVR to be as close as possible - so pvcore, evcore, bus and another thing i forgot. check skatterbencher, he has a great breakdown. also, TSMC silicon seems to be scaling more towards lower voltage instead of higher voltage like intel silicon. you could hammer raptorlake with voltage and it would just go up in clockspeed, but it seems like the TSMC manufacturing plateaues off at mid 5 ghz. but i have seen quite some remarks about undervolting. i think arrowlake actually gets better the lower the power is, not only more efficient, but also faster, when you turn the right knobs.
Try the direct-die cooling from der8auer. The CPU is 30°C cooler and gives a lot of headroom for OC. He got >47000 points in cinebench while overclocking P and E cores.
Delidding is a different level of OCing what jay is doing is what most people would do that is interested in tweaking, Delidding is up there with LN2 shit thats extreme crap.
@@Aaron-zl5gq What? No. Delidding is as easy as putting on the paste with the right tools. der8auer/Thermalgrizzly sells the delidding tools and the fitting waterblock. The last time I did, it was a 7700k and it was a matter of putting it in, twisting a screw and putting on liquid metal, done. (it was not soldered) It was 30°C cooler after that, WITH the stock IHS back on. It was 50$ for the delidder, liquid metal and special glue to put the IHS back on. But even soldered, you just need to heat it up before doing it, the rest is the same.
Asus is still on their shady practice. I bought a motherboard 3 months ago and it took a crap last week. They won't honor the warranty when I try and RMA telling me that I broke it.
Overclocking has changed alot over last few years. Gone are the days of doing a static overclock and getting the absolute best performance. Key to overclocking now is to keep your CPU as cool as possible due to the parameters that are built into the microcoding with boost being temp and power driven. I've noticed as you can get around 3-5% more performance on single core activities but the real tuning of overclocking is when you start using multicore. Perfect example is 9950x. I was only able to get around 3.5% more in ST CB23 but MT jumped up from 42k to 47k about 11%. And with controlling the temperatures the boost clocks tend to stay higher for longer periods.
It's interesting seeing the difference between the two generations. It's also a little disappointing that the 285K isn't much of a jump on the 14900K here. A 14900K is around 40,000 on Chinebench too, so we're really in the same ballpark. However, what's interesting is how the new gen gets there because it seems to be all on E-core here, and it's not something you can duplicate on a 14900K. A 14900K won't run its E-core up to 5GHZ. I can push to 4.6GHz on my own, but it's not happy about 4.7Ghz. It does matter the voltage profile either. What you'll also notice directly against a 14900K is that the higher performance cores aren't gaining you anything. Because it's still a heat bottleneck, you're still only up to around 5.6GHz on the P-cores, or less, with a pretty hard thermal limit on any current off the shelf AIO you can buy. So the 285K seems to give up on peak GHz on the performance cores (for long term stability maybe), and then ramps up those E-cores a good bit to get them to do a bit more heavy lifting. An interesting note on the power limit. The 14900K will also do this despite having limits disabled. I'll generally see this once I go north of 385W for an extended period of time. It'll hard lock it down to 252W for a little bit. It'll just trigger in the background. I'm curious what the 285K is using for its definition. Too bad it's not accurately showing power, so...who knows. GamerNexus is plowing into that whole mess, so it'll be interesting to see how these compare on actual wattage. GamersNexus does seem to indicate an ok improvement on efficiency overall meaning the watts are at least being utilized better to some extent. One thing you can do is tune the individual cores a little. There can be some hot cores, and you can even them out some. What I've found is this lets the other cores get a little more, and I especially saw a bump up in what it was allowing for peaks overall on both P and E cores. You can use any monitor like HWiNFO64 or whatever to see the individual cores. Bump them up and down to even out the whole thing. As part of this, I'd be curious to see if you can bump up one or two P cores to north of 6Ghz stably. Since one major hit the 285K has is single or low core count activities, and it starting at a mild 5.7GHz isn't doing it favors. I'd be curious to see some individual core tuning to see how high it goes with stability and without thermal overloading on that core. The per core fine tuning and dialing in the single (or couple) core peak, this might bring the gaming performance back inline with the 14900K and others.
I'm only a little surprised people are frustrated by a System Integrator's flagship system costing $7500. Especially someone with the knowledge and experience of Falcon Northwest. I guess people don't get the economics.
13:30 got the same thing on 5700X. Tried UV it to save some power and thermals, but despite higher clocks with lower voltage, CB score would be lesser than stock. AMD calls it clock stretching, so even *if* core boosts higher, internal governor won't let it because it doesn't have enough power and would crash. Or at least that's what I think it is, just on Intel's side
Well, all of that makes sense. There are 16 E-cores and 8 P-cores. Of course, getting + 200MHz x 16 on E-cores is more than 200MHz x 8 on P-cores. P-cores are not 2x faster than E-Cores to make it even. I wonder how far P-cores could be pushed if all E-cores are switched off.
Dyno! As a tuner I see better results the longer you run (if the cooling system is good) Gearbox and diff oils as they get hot I gain about 7kw But yes, temperature is detrimental to power, I target 80-90°c on track, beating on it, temps. 98° I start going for the temp reducing stuff... Run it rich, pull power down.. or straight up install a water sprayer. It's surprising how little water you need to smash temps down like a beast. (Our cars won the D class Bathurst 6hr last 2 years)
I mean although the gaming performance is awful u cant deny intel have done well to get multicore performance at these temps... they just need to sort pricing or increase gaming performance somehow
Just throwing it out there cuz....I have no idea, but I'm curious if the power issues are related to how the chips are drawing power from the 24 pin connector. GN has a LOOOOOONG vid about how this chip was drawing power differently. Could that have something to do with the oddities that are being presented? Again, no clue, just asking the question.
@@JohnWalsh2019it has nothing to do with DEI. Pull your head outta your arse. Intel has been laying people off in the 10s of thousands as of late. Further, the leads of the long term CPU core team (the likes of the legendary Jim Keller) were let go earlier than anticipated so those projects got interrupted or cancelled altogether. Quit trying to blame DEI for something that it has absolutely nothing to do with.
When you switched to the Asus OC profile what was the cache OC set at? Did you put it back to 3.8 before you ran the first Asus OC profile cinebench run?
Well, that would completely negate/nullify the entire premise of why K and KF series exist. The differentiator with K/KF series has always been the fact that they are unlocked for overclocking, it's still in the marketing materials. For Intel to sell a special more expensive SKU that is marketed as being unlocked for overclocking and then turn around and blanket void the warranty would be beyond insane. What Intel could/should do is create a few settings that have soft limit maximums where if you remove that specific limit and exceed a voltage or current, then states that if Intel determines that a failure was due to the customer removing the protection and exceeding that limit, Intel doesn't have to RMA. That would at least still provide some value with customers being able to turn knobs on premium K/KF series processors but also allows Intel some protection from idiots that have no idea what they are doing and just cram infinite voltage into the chip for stability.
To be fair every mobo manufacturer is absolute trash when it comes to providing information on the BIOS settings. They never explain what the settings do.
Just looking out of curiosity but I'll never even get close to doing it. I like to put the parts together to build a PC, turn it on, install the OS, games and have fun. That's all.
Jay, make no mistake, your audience very much appreciate you burning hours of your life to over clock out a hot turd so none of us have to Your sacrifice does not go unnoticed!
It is sad that they put 6 or 7 M.2 slots on a board and in most cases you are lucky to use Half of them or end up with X8 instead of X16 PCI-e or you loose the PCI-e slot all together as they are shared lanes.
Hey Jay, I'm up grading my system from an AMD gen 4 to AMD gen 5 Ryzen 9 7900x , RX 7900xtx and and a Strix B650-A MB, I'm looking at the Corsair Dominator platinum 64GB 2x32gb 5200mhz memory on sale for $209 from $239. is this a good buy or do you have any recommendations?
@@outlet6989wasting so much time for a potential stable oc is not worth it, you most likely make more $ per worked hour to buy a better CPU/Mobo or faster ram instead.
The only people who seem to be getting any real overclocking results delided the cpu. After that they've gotten some pretty great results. It's a shame that there's so much performance left on the table that's only available to people who have a lot of money and patience to get it there. We'll definitely see the 285k continue to be an extreme overclockers pick while regular consumers skip over it if they're doing any gaming at all. It's a very price competitive chip with the 9950x, but the 9950x goes on sale every now and then, so you end up getting more price to performance with the 9950x. Hopefully intel gets more competitive with the 300s so prices can come down across the board as AMD and Intel battle each other.
It's totally clear that I'm not going to buy any Intel 13th, 14th, or 'Ultra' series CPUs, just like I didn't buy any Nvidia 4000 series cards. So far, only AM4 and AM5 platforms look really good for building a PC. Intel's main issue is that with every new CPU, you need a new motherboard.
What is the point of having more than 3 M.2 NVMe slots? I have a use for 2 M.2 NVMe SSDs, as the high speed on is the C: Drive or OS + Virtual RAM drive and the 2nd is the E: Drive or high speed for applications. A third M.2, I need to think about what is consuming drive space. As for the "change power window to 256 and Turbo max goes to 1 W", I have seen this behavior with my Radeon RX 6900 XT when I used MPT to play with certain power settings (boost power limit higher than 15%). For AMD's GPUs, if the "direct" power settings like Power Limit set above +15%, the GPU will turn the GPU Clock and Power Limit to lowest settings, and you can't unchange it until that bad setting is "properly" fixed. The parallel is your Intel settings program allows a bad setting to be applied, and some watchdog system shuts down some other settings for safety reasons.
Fun fact. Just for those who might not know, because it always bothers me when I see someone doing this :') there's no need to spam your BIOS key (F2, F8, DEL, etc.). You can just hold it down-the keyboard's polling rate does the job way faster than you ever could. Try it if you don't believe me.
Wasn't there some sort of protection Intel put in where if you disable some voltage protection that it drops to only 400-800mhz if it's above 40c? Ie you can run it if you're NO2 cooling but that setting is essentially locked otherwise? Dropping to 1 watt makes me think of that limiter.
I wonder if setting that time limit in the Intel tool to 256 breaks something other than glitching out the power limit. Have you tried leaving it set at 128 (after a reboot) to see if it has the same effect while overclocking and benchmarking?
Try turning off CEP for the IA and IGP in the bios, 0x125 and 0x129 is known to have OC issues with CEP on, i wonder if it affects BIOS'es for the core Ultra series too...
@@TheKazragoreI hope it's not. I'm upgrading from a six year old platform that's actually given me some trouble so I'm pretty sure I'm gonna see a performance uplift no matter what because I'm coming from a 9900k.
@@TheKazragoreI hope not I'm gonna see a performance boost either way because I'm coming from a six-year-old platform That's actually giving me some problems. I'm coming from a 9900k and 64 gigabytes of DDR4 3200
i honestly dont understand how things work now, i used to think the one performing better will get better result now, or in here specifically, isnt the case and im waiting and earning just as much as anyone else even same as one not uploading anything
As someone who waits 6-8 years between system upgrades (and then builds a system a gen or two behind), thank you for your service as a beta tester, Jay 😁
As a 5960x user, those are rookie numbers 😏
@@xellestar now thats a number i havent heard in a while
Can't hear you over the fan noise of my 3600x
@@xellestar Thats 10 more than an AMD5950x! It must be pretty good.
Honestly, I can't follow CPU numbering these days, it makes no sense. At least AMD's past few CPU generations have followed a familiar pattern. If they stick to AM5 for next year, what will we well? 10050x?
You needed to watch DerBauer's newest video. He explains all the overclocking details. You need to keep the cpu under 70C. anything over and it limits itself. He was running 5.6ghz pcores and 4.9ghz ecores and getting 47.1k R23 scores. These new cpu's don't work like the prior gen ones.
Delid LM needed
he delidded the damn thing dude TOTALLy different then this.
He's a creator not a consumer 😂
What a twist lol coming from Intel's long running stretch of hitting hundred c and trying to convince people that was not to be worried about lol.
I get more performance from my 9950x by dropping it 30watts and limiting to 88C.
I can get 45800 in R23
Oldskool overclocker here. Won the Celeron600mhz lotery back in the day and boosted it to 900mhz. 1200mhz was doable but i was too scared to run that 24/7.
Undervolting is my new hobby now. 12700k and 4070 5% less fast and system is quiet and going stable at way less wattage. So yeah, undervolting olé olé
I get more performance from urndervolting and limiting my temperatures. I have a 9950x I think it was limiting my performance hitting 95C.
By dropping 30W and limiting to 85C, I get my best scores. Higher than out the box?
Intel went full power on 13/14th gen
@@aliabdallah102 feiner
Way better for the war with heating or cooling however you look at it in the modern Cooling wars.
I had an SL2QG at 448mhz then a 300a at 512mhz. Those were the days. Faster than a P3.
Overclocking has entered into it's practical limit at 10/7nm.
Going from 7nm down to 5nm, electron leakage has went up -requiring the same current level to almost to where we were at 28nm.
This means that we're seeing chip arch designers able to hit max freq as current being the hard limits, as a secondary, thermals. (Leaving little overclocking headroom if any)
Larger node sizes would hit thermal limits before current limits when driving frequency.
With it flipped, current before thermals, thermal runaway becomes an even bigger issue, to where we are seeing CPU's begin to internally throttle at 70C.
This is also why we're seeing chiplet/tile designs and wider execution paths in Zen5 and ArrowLake.
I'd be curious if LN2 overclocking these does. Cryogenic temps lowers drastically leakage.
Mostly True. Power consumption has not reduced as much as it did in earlier node shrinks. Leakage currents make it harder to maintain efficiency, so while newer nodes are more power-efficient than 28nm, they’ve been less efficient in shrinking power consumption relative to older node transitions. As fabrication technology shrinks (from 10nm to 7nm to 5nm and even smaller), electron leakage does indeed become a bigger problem. Smaller transistors have thinner gate oxides, and quantum tunneling causes leakage currents to rise, making it harder to push higher frequencies without significant power and heat penalties.
Considering that smaller processes aren’t actually smaller, just different configurations with different names. The 10nm takes up almost as much space as 7nm. They are just marketing names, relax
"Zero side thinkers"
Yeah that applies to so much of society today.. really insane how people just can't think for themselves and never see things unless deliberately laid out for them (and even then can still miss it). Is critical thinking even taught in school anymore?
lol no, Schools actively discourage critical thought and reinforce copy-paste learning, imo
Nope.
Critical thinking threatens traditions and the oldschool ways of doing, thinking, and saying, so people in positions of power who adhere to them benefit from curbing the spread of critical thinking. It's the same reason why civics isn't taught in schools.
It wasn't much better historically. Human ability to process information is limited and the amount of information is much greater than it was in the past.
ASUS advanced OC profile for increasing your room temp, useful winter feature.
It was 59 in my room before I started up my 11700K/RTX 3080 machine. It's been just idling in here for about an hour and it's up to 64, I definitely use my PC as a space heater as the weather cools off!
Chips are so fast and powerful these days that over clocking is more of a gimmick then anything.
then anything what?
Disagree.
It's the cool thing to do, a gimmick, then everything else. 😂
Please consider that in the time of 5% generational gains, that "only" 5% gain from OC starts sounding real nice. 🧐
😂. So the extra 17% I got out of my 7900x is nothing but a gimmick . Okay 😂
Binning is generally so good that overclocking is generally not as fruitful as it used to be.
@@71janas and what did that translate to in applications? Let me know how much of a benefit you got. Did you get a 17% increase in FPS? Did you get a 17% increase in render times?
Once OC and BIOS are all figured out, can you do an all in overclocking head to head? Like max OC results between 285k, 14900k 9950X?
Jay, derbauer today released a video and gets 5.7ghz all p-core and 4.9ghx all e-core with over 47600 score in the same benchmark, maybe his video might help gain info?
He delidded it. But there's no good cooling solution then? hmm. Check out Skatterbencher too.
Agreed, Jay should watch someone that actually knows what they are doing to learn how to do the things that he has based his entire channel on.
Yep it was naked naked!!
At least Jay-Z has funny body 😂😊
@@blackbirdpctech Jay's channel caters to normal tech bros. If you are looking for unreasonably technical analysis, then go to Debauer and other similar channels. Jay is for creating entertaining content for tech people who can't stand getting their entertainment from television the way normal people do.
Yeah I really don't care Jay, i just want to listen to you yapping in the back ground while i game. Coming from a 12900K i expected so much more, Thursday (10/24) i walked into Microcenter, got the Z890 board i wanted and they only had 265K, so I impulsively bought it. Today 10/27, i have officially returned both items, with the exception of exchanging the motherboard for a X870E chip-set, ill be waiting for 9000x3D series to officially switch back to AMD since the 2011's upset FX-8150 i bought a that time. Except this time, I'm not holding, I already swapped one major piece, now waiting for that CPU to drop. This feels almost exactly like 2011s FX-8150... its been 13 years of Intel for me, since those days and here I am... I'm going back!
Intel pretty much pooped the bed by setting on their hands from Haswell till first gen ryzen. Imagine if they would have done something different for five generations aside from telling use four cores and eight threads was plenty.
Electricity can be compared to water:
Voltage = Pressure, which is require to overcome resistance (Ohms) and is why low Voltage can't electrocute you. Not enough pressure to overcome the resistance of the human body.
Amp = AKA, current is the flow rate, how many gallons a minute.
V x A = Watts or total power.
Ohms is what controls how much Amps flow based on how many Volts is being pushed through that resistance.
Can you explain it in onions? I'll find it easier to understand in onions.
Voltage is proportional to resistance times voltage;
v = I x R.
@@monk3synuts
V=IR
or
I=V/R
or
R=V/I
V = Voltage
R = Resistance (Ohms)
I = Current (Amps)
Which is why 0 Resistance = runaway current because anything divided by 0 is undefined.
Either way, that quote is incorrect, "Ohm's law states that the electric current through a conductor between two points is directly proportional to the voltage across the two points." That, and I was trying to keep it simple, AKA comparing it to water pressure.
@@cloudanu
Voltage is like the spiciness of an onion. The stronger the onion, the more it "pushes" tears to your eyes. Similarly, a higher voltage pushes electrons more forcefully through a circuit.
Current, or amperage, compares to the number of onions you chop. If you cut just one onion (low current), there won't be many tears. But chopping ten onions (high current) will release a much stronger concentration of "spice" in the air, just as a higher current means a larger flow of electrons.
Resistance is like the thickness of an onion’s skin. A thick skin makes it harder to reach the core of the onion (or the electrons in a circuit). A thinner skin provides less resistance.
Power represents the combined effect of spiciness (voltage) and quantity of onions (current). If you have a very strong onion in large quantity, the effect will be intense, similar to high electrical power. Conversely, a mild onion in small quantity will produce only a weak sensation.
There you go brother
Alot of info here (current)
tbh, i miss the time where overclocking was pretty much only fsb, multi and vcore.
They had to make it harder I’m sure sooo many people were killing their components cuz they didn’t know what they were doing and just threw max voltage at it and prolly instantly killed the parts.. that’s why they have made stuff harder cuz humans are stupid and will fuck stuff up so they have to save us from ourselves! lol it’s sad I know
Take me back to 2000 pls. UT99 voodoo2 and cable internet. All i needed 😂
And even budget CPUs could be overclocked to match or even beat much more expensive CPUs depending on the task.
Wow! If I’m spending $1k on a motherboard, it better be dual socket.
Dual socket doesn’t give any benefit to the types of performance you use in a HEDT platform.
@@waynetuttle6872, yeah. It’s highly software and architecture dependent. My workflow would probably be a fair fight between a 14900k or X3D and a dual Xeon workstation. You’d be surprised how much larger CAD and CAM projects can benefit from high core counts and lots of cache with more recent software updates.
I was tempted to try a desktop platform again, then AMD had its issues with scheduling, Intel started burning up ring busses, and ECC support was questionable etc. I’m not going to fight with my tech to get a marginally useful single threaded improvement and questionable longevity/stability.
Falcon NW is straight up ripping people off at 7500$ with that system. The exact same system costs roughly 4500-5000$ to build. If they charge 500$-850$ because of their warranty and such okay, but its 2000-3000$ (depending on the exact components as they are fluid and do change from availability). There is absolutely 0 reason to be overcharging THAT much and expect people not to be mad at it.
So, what looks better, a Cadillac or a Chevrolet car badge?
@@outlet6989 In that case, it's not just the badge, it's the comfort, appearance and features as well.
Go try to buy a new 4090 these days and see how much you pay.
The system cost of goods could possibly be closer to $5500. Yes, the warranty does have a cost, but let's assume their total cost of parts, labor, marketing, testing and support/maintenance is $6k, that's about 20 points of profit margin per unit, not an insane profit margin for a boutique low volume system. Low volume means higher risk of not moving enough units to break even.
Company like Falcon Northwest shouldn't even bother selling a system with a profit margin below 15%. Dell on the other hand can still build a business on selling low end laptops at 12% margin because they know the volume will make up for lower margin.
@@racerex340 They're not that expensive, why are you acting like 4090s are suddenly worth $2k+?
Who are you to say what they should and shouldn’t charge for their product? Or what people should and shouldn’t do with their money?
Gamers are a strange tribe from a parallel Universum, strictly believing that more RGB makes the PC faster, and the difference between 102 and 105 fps helps them winning
I still think $7500 is way too much for what you’re getting. I’m pretty sure people had more of a problem that it seemed lacking in features, add-ons, and higher end hardware for what you’re paying.
It's a halo build. It's going to be stupid. That's how halo builds work. The motherboard alone costs $1k retail.
It's silly. You can increase the price of a PC by stuffing it with a lot of unnecessary stuff like multiple drives, crazy amounts of RAM, an ultra-premium MOBO with features you'll never need. But why? Except for a very few niche users, it's just for bragging rights and people who have more money than they know what to do with.
@@BobBobson While I still think $7500 is a tad much for a i9 system, I do understand what you and Jay are saying.
@@BobBobson Did this build in PCPartpicker except for the case, its roughly 4500-5000$ depending on specific choices. You are paying 2000$ minimum overcharge for the system.
Yeah this price is goofy. It's $7500 for maybe $5000 in hardware, and there's nothing custom about it. It's got a paperweight cpu, no custom loop, and even a boring case. I get that every business prices their products to make a profit, but this is a massive markup for a very basic setup with expensive parts... Lowkey annoys me that Jay is actually trying to defend this insane price tag.
Overclocking my 7800X3D was like juicing sand.
Overclocking my 7900XTX, on the other hand, was like the 2nd best athlete in the world took ROIDS!
A Windows update reset my overclock, and I spent forever tuning it😭
Does anyone know if there's a way to recover settings?
Poor chair always gets the blame. 14:14
We care about YOU Jay. We care about you 💙
Exactly!
7:39 PL4 is another "internal" power limit, "internal" because the implementation of Turbo Boost Technology 2.0 only requires configuring PL1, Tau and PL2. PL3 is disabled by default, but it would be "A threshold that if exceeded, the PL3 rapid power limiting algorithms will attempt to limit the duty cycle of spikes above PL3 by reactively limiting frequency", and PL4 is "A limit that will not be exceeded, the PL4 power limiting algorithms will preemptively limit frequency to prevent spikes above PL4." So it would basically react more aggressively than PL1/PL2, usually at a higher value for the limit. Because with PL1/PL2 you can still have a bit of overshoot for the actual power draw, for PL4 it would not allow any overshoot whatsoever.
As a dude who's been doing this for a long time, this must be very frustrating to have to cover. I sympathize.
Others are getting great results btw.
Please add chapters
Why? Not needed
It’s such a short video it’s not really needed
Chapter one Jay curse. Chapter two the end..😂. Credit goes to 1k MOTHERfooker Motherboard. What?
It's over 26 minutes! @@AphillyatedYT
@@AphillyatedYT It's half an hour long
Go through all that stuff for a 2-5% gain in certain software is a sign of too much time on our hands
@@ddzang precisely.
"There's an equation there depending on which way you go with the equation there." Scienec Jay - 2024.
It's true! Probably.
but I digress!
For that much money, they should have a, “Air Flow.” Box to be checked. Money should get you more than something that looks good.
Give that pc 7 months and the value will decrease by 25% 😂😂😂
More like in 3 months.
Honestly, I care more about the 7800X3D and the 9800X3D
7800X3D and a 4080 Super, jack of all trades build with 64GB of DDR5 6000.
I have to agree with GN Steve where he said, "these chips simply make no sense". Too expensive, requires motherboards which make them the most expensive platform intel has released in many years, suck way too much power, yet in test after test get beat not only by AM5 but often by their own cheaper previous gen and even AM4. Oh well maybe in a couple years (If they don't end up killing themselves like Raptor Lake) I'll pick up one on the used market.
IMHO I think the loss of hyperthreading is why there's such a massive loss of gains with OC now on P cores. There's simply a lot more E cores now than P cores, so pushing those hard their gains add up together to be more real performance than pushing P cores slightly, even though P cores at the base level are far more powerful.
Intel's got Jay so frazzled he's performing elbow drops on the furniture.
Intel hasn't responsed because they heard Jay likes making explosions.
It's obvious those CPU get out of factory already close to the limit (I mean, last gen was destroying itself for going too fast).
The days of 2.6GHz oc'd to 4GHz are decades old.
I can't blame falcon northwest for making the silly system, this is what some people want. This is like the 200mph automobile, you can never go that fast unless you are insane or on a track or a very few special places in the world which are most likely thousands of miles from the owners home. Yet people have them. You can poke the company that makes the components, but they probably do have a niche case user here and there. Some folks just have money to throw at things so they feel better about whatever purchase, or don't care as they are not paying for it themselves like in a business scenario and the entire expense is a tax write off for someone.
It's like having a 200mph car with covers over all the radiator cooling openings
Agree. It's the bling, and some ppl. don't want to assemble and tune something themselves. Why be angry? Just don't buy it. No one has to be angry.
@@reptilespantoso People deserve good products for how overpriced it is. It'd be like buying a lambo but the motor falls to pieces if you press the gas pedal more than halfway.
These parts and build are like 4500 5000 grand max, so bling means you get to rip people off? What is the extra 2500 bucks for? The actual build?? Lol yeah okay
Lmao, now I get it.. I genuinely thought 7500 was just for the case.. :'D
It is not stable at baseline why try to overclock it?
I do kinda find it hard to get interested in new tech stuff when I know it's something I won't be able to ever remotely afford or make use of. Its like, how many supercars can you look at before you just don't care anymore, they're all effectively unobtanium and just kinda blur together. I paid less than 7500 for my car, I would never spend that much on any computer
I don't know how Jay doesn't know this, but you don't need to franticly press DEL to get into BIOS. Hold left shift, go Windows -> Restart -> click Troubleshoot. You'll load right into BIOS
Jay you were right in the other video, these Core Ultra 285K chips are all locked to a +400Mhz OC on the P-cores with any cooling other than LN2.
Did they drill holes in that 4090 for the support bracket?
Nah, the fe like most 4090 comes with holes for mounting support brackets. On the FE you remove a little cover to expose it
@@Jzwiz Ah ye your right, just checked my 4090 cooler and it also have it. Never noticed it. I'm using a waterblock though.
The 4090 founders edition has already holes for a bracket.
I have always had a mid tier system, like 3070, 2060 super, etc, i finally have a high end build. 4080 super 7950x3d 64gb ram 1000 psu. Build costed me 3500 bucks, I have many extras in it as well. Not nessasary but i love it!
I appreciate Intel's attempt to turn the furance down on their chips.
I wouldn't congratulate motherboard vendors that they didn't raise tmax as intel said because i have a feeling that it just wasn't changed from the previous gen
The EDP limit is probably due to the IA VR voltage limit.
And we thought Zen 5 launch was bad, this is just embarrassing for Intel
P cores probably only make sense for 1-2 thread boosts, otherwise giving power budget to the E cores seems to be the way to go. also the DLVR is burning A TON of power in high load scenarios, so the next priority would be reducing the switching losses of the DLVR by optimizing the voltage levels so the input voltage can be closer to the output voltages. you probably want all the voltages fed by the DLVR to be as close as possible - so pvcore, evcore, bus and another thing i forgot. check skatterbencher, he has a great breakdown.
also, TSMC silicon seems to be scaling more towards lower voltage instead of higher voltage like intel silicon. you could hammer raptorlake with voltage and it would just go up in clockspeed, but it seems like the TSMC manufacturing plateaues off at mid 5 ghz. but i have seen quite some remarks about undervolting.
i think arrowlake actually gets better the lower the power is, not only more efficient, but also faster, when you turn the right knobs.
It's nice to you realize that overclocking is basically a waist of time that will only result In a dead system. Focus on customization instead.
Water cool it and send it through the gauntlet
Heck, put a phase change cooler on it and send it to the moon
Try the direct-die cooling from der8auer. The CPU is 30°C cooler and gives a lot of headroom for OC. He got >47000 points in cinebench while overclocking P and E cores.
This, derbauer and others got over 47k score
@@AurynGamingeven 50k score
It's not even released yet, it's still in development.
Delidding is a different level of OCing what jay is doing is what most people would do that is interested in tweaking, Delidding is up there with LN2 shit thats extreme crap.
@@Aaron-zl5gq What? No. Delidding is as easy as putting on the paste with the right tools.
der8auer/Thermalgrizzly sells the delidding tools and the fitting waterblock.
The last time I did, it was a 7700k and it was a matter of putting it in, twisting a screw and putting on liquid metal, done. (it was not soldered)
It was 30°C cooler after that, WITH the stock IHS back on.
It was 50$ for the delidder, liquid metal and special glue to put the IHS back on.
But even soldered, you just need to heat it up before doing it, the rest is the same.
I thought you dumped Asus? Are they doing what they should be now? I thought at one time they were ripping people off with their RMA stuff.
Asus is still on their shady practice. I bought a motherboard 3 months ago and it took a crap last week. They won't honor the warranty when I try and RMA telling me that I broke it.
This is just a system that flacon northwest sent him, Jay may not have had any say as to what components they put in.
@@insignia406 Good to know.
@@jonathandykstra9652 fair enough
@@insignia406 Man that sucks. sorry to hear.
Overclocking has changed alot over last few years. Gone are the days of doing a static overclock and getting the absolute best performance. Key to overclocking now is to keep your CPU as cool as possible due to the parameters that are built into the microcoding with boost being temp and power driven. I've noticed as you can get around 3-5% more performance on single core activities but the real tuning of overclocking is when you start using multicore. Perfect example is 9950x. I was only able to get around 3.5% more in ST CB23 but MT jumped up from 42k to 47k about 11%. And with controlling the temperatures the boost clocks tend to stay higher for longer periods.
Sounds similar to what happened to gpus, at least on nvidia with their 'boost' tech (not sure if amd does the same)
Bypassing the internal voltage regulator should be the first step.
Less heat and much more predictable behavior from what I've seen in other videos.
It's interesting seeing the difference between the two generations. It's also a little disappointing that the 285K isn't much of a jump on the 14900K here. A 14900K is around 40,000 on Chinebench too, so we're really in the same ballpark.
However, what's interesting is how the new gen gets there because it seems to be all on E-core here, and it's not something you can duplicate on a 14900K. A 14900K won't run its E-core up to 5GHZ. I can push to 4.6GHz on my own, but it's not happy about 4.7Ghz. It does matter the voltage profile either. What you'll also notice directly against a 14900K is that the higher performance cores aren't gaining you anything. Because it's still a heat bottleneck, you're still only up to around 5.6GHz on the P-cores, or less, with a pretty hard thermal limit on any current off the shelf AIO you can buy. So the 285K seems to give up on peak GHz on the performance cores (for long term stability maybe), and then ramps up those E-cores a good bit to get them to do a bit more heavy lifting.
An interesting note on the power limit. The 14900K will also do this despite having limits disabled. I'll generally see this once I go north of 385W for an extended period of time. It'll hard lock it down to 252W for a little bit. It'll just trigger in the background. I'm curious what the 285K is using for its definition. Too bad it's not accurately showing power, so...who knows. GamerNexus is plowing into that whole mess, so it'll be interesting to see how these compare on actual wattage. GamersNexus does seem to indicate an ok improvement on efficiency overall meaning the watts are at least being utilized better to some extent.
One thing you can do is tune the individual cores a little. There can be some hot cores, and you can even them out some. What I've found is this lets the other cores get a little more, and I especially saw a bump up in what it was allowing for peaks overall on both P and E cores. You can use any monitor like HWiNFO64 or whatever to see the individual cores. Bump them up and down to even out the whole thing.
As part of this, I'd be curious to see if you can bump up one or two P cores to north of 6Ghz stably. Since one major hit the 285K has is single or low core count activities, and it starting at a mild 5.7GHz isn't doing it favors. I'd be curious to see some individual core tuning to see how high it goes with stability and without thermal overloading on that core.
The per core fine tuning and dialing in the single (or couple) core peak, this might bring the gaming performance back inline with the 14900K and others.
I'm only a little surprised people are frustrated by a System Integrator's flagship system costing $7500. Especially someone with the knowledge and experience of Falcon Northwest. I guess people don't get the economics.
from what i understand, the extreme profile actually downclocks the cpu, unless youre at 10C or below, at least according to intel.
13:30 got the same thing on 5700X. Tried UV it to save some power and thermals, but despite higher clocks with lower voltage, CB score would be lesser than stock. AMD calls it clock stretching, so even *if* core boosts higher, internal governor won't let it because it doesn't have enough power and would crash. Or at least that's what I think it is, just on Intel's side
Well, all of that makes sense. There are 16 E-cores and 8 P-cores. Of course, getting + 200MHz x 16 on E-cores is more than 200MHz x 8 on P-cores. P-cores are not 2x faster than E-Cores to make it even. I wonder how far P-cores could be pushed if all E-cores are switched off.
1 watt? Oddly, something made my FJh Gigabyte bios change to 1 amp a few weeks ago out the blue.
So many things in your computer were never meant to be overclocked do if you do it is at your own risk.
People think like this because half of the PC market is unaffordable right now.
Dyno! As a tuner I see better results the longer you run (if the cooling system is good)
Gearbox and diff oils as they get hot I gain about 7kw
But yes, temperature is detrimental to power, I target 80-90°c on track, beating on it, temps.
98° I start going for the temp reducing stuff... Run it rich, pull power down.. or straight up install a water sprayer.
It's surprising how little water you need to smash temps down like a beast.
(Our cars won the D class Bathurst 6hr last 2 years)
I mean although the gaming performance is awful u cant deny intel have done well to get multicore performance at these temps... they just need to sort pricing or increase gaming performance somehow
Just throwing it out there cuz....I have no idea, but I'm curious if the power issues are related to how the chips are drawing power from the 24 pin connector. GN has a LOOOOOONG vid about how this chip was drawing power differently. Could that have something to do with the oddities that are being presented? Again, no clue, just asking the question.
I think everyone's point was even if you checked every box 7500 was still freaking ridiculous....
Raid 0 - who´s honestly still using that BS in a prosumer setting?
With today's SSD speeds I question if there are any advantages running raid 0. Seems like it's not worth it but someone can educate me if I'm wrong.
It feels like the same people don't work at Intel anymore and they lost key engineers.
DEI hiring practices. The virus also force retired people and they were replaced with......less skilled.
@@JohnWalsh2019, also new blood they can pay less compared to the graybeards I think the term is.
@@JohnWalsh2019it has nothing to do with DEI. Pull your head outta your arse. Intel has been laying people off in the 10s of thousands as of late. Further, the leads of the long term CPU core team (the likes of the legendary Jim Keller) were let go earlier than anticipated so those projects got interrupted or cancelled altogether. Quit trying to blame DEI for something that it has absolutely nothing to do with.
When you switched to the Asus OC profile what was the cache OC set at? Did you put it back to 3.8 before you ran the first Asus OC profile cinebench run?
Hi Jay, I keep hearing on PC channels that INTEL will void the CPU warranty if you do any overclocking. True or False?
Well, that would completely negate/nullify the entire premise of why K and KF series exist. The differentiator with K/KF series has always been the fact that they are unlocked for overclocking, it's still in the marketing materials.
For Intel to sell a special more expensive SKU that is marketed as being unlocked for overclocking and then turn around and blanket void the warranty would be beyond insane.
What Intel could/should do is create a few settings that have soft limit maximums where if you remove that specific limit and exceed a voltage or current, then states that if Intel determines that a failure was due to the customer removing the protection and exceeding that limit, Intel doesn't have to RMA. That would at least still provide some value with customers being able to turn knobs on premium K/KF series processors but also allows Intel some protection from idiots that have no idea what they are doing and just cram infinite voltage into the chip for stability.
Looks like LGA1700 the goat for people who actually know how to tune them 😂😂💯
12th gen series seems to be the sweet spot
To be fair every mobo manufacturer is absolute trash when it comes to providing information on the BIOS settings. They never explain what the settings do.
Just looking out of curiosity but I'll never even get close to doing it. I like to put the parts together to build a PC, turn it on, install the OS, games and have fun. That's all.
Jay, make no mistake, your audience very much appreciate you burning hours of your life to over clock out a hot turd so none of us have to
Your sacrifice does not go unnoticed!
Wow, you are so cool and original.
14:35 aye, good analogy
I remember Falcon NW being the absolute GOAT even back in the day. I'm so happy they have survived this long!
It is sad that they put 6 or 7 M.2 slots on a board and in most cases you are lucky to use Half of them or end up with X8 instead of X16 PCI-e or you loose the PCI-e slot all together as they are shared lanes.
"You don't care" - it's still interesting, not sure I'll do any of this, but it's still interesting.
For $7500 I would expect 3x 8tb nvme pci-e 4/5 drives, not 3x2th... Those are like $150 each vs 600
Hey Jay, I'm up grading my system from an AMD gen 4 to AMD gen 5 Ryzen 9 7900x , RX 7900xtx and and a Strix B650-A MB, I'm looking at the Corsair Dominator platinum 64GB 2x32gb 5200mhz memory on sale for $209 from $239. is this a good buy or do you have any recommendations?
I dont know anyone who overclocks anymore
Ya, seems more undervolt than overclock these days.
Then you do know a lot of intelligent people.
@@outlet6989wasting so much time for a potential stable oc is not worth it, you most likely make more $ per worked hour to buy a better CPU/Mobo or faster ram instead.
The only people who seem to be getting any real overclocking results delided the cpu. After that they've gotten some pretty great results. It's a shame that there's so much performance left on the table that's only available to people who have a lot of money and patience to get it there. We'll definitely see the 285k continue to be an extreme overclockers pick while regular consumers skip over it if they're doing any gaming at all. It's a very price competitive chip with the 9950x, but the 9950x goes on sale every now and then, so you end up getting more price to performance with the 9950x. Hopefully intel gets more competitive with the 300s so prices can come down across the board as AMD and Intel battle each other.
It's totally clear that I'm not going to buy any Intel 13th, 14th, or 'Ultra' series CPUs, just like I didn't buy any Nvidia 4000 series cards. So far, only AM4 and AM5 platforms look really good for building a PC. Intel's main issue is that with every new CPU, you need a new motherboard.
What is the point of having more than 3 M.2 NVMe slots? I have a use for 2 M.2 NVMe SSDs, as the high speed on is the C: Drive or OS + Virtual RAM drive and the 2nd is the E: Drive or high speed for applications. A third M.2, I need to think about what is consuming drive space.
As for the "change power window to 256 and Turbo max goes to 1 W", I have seen this behavior with my Radeon RX 6900 XT when I used MPT to play with certain power settings (boost power limit higher than 15%). For AMD's GPUs, if the "direct" power settings like Power Limit set above +15%, the GPU will turn the GPU Clock and Power Limit to lowest settings, and you can't unchange it until that bad setting is "properly" fixed. The parallel is your Intel settings program allows a bad setting to be applied, and some watchdog system shuts down some other settings for safety reasons.
Isn't it completely pointless to overclock on CPUs that are already thermally throttled?
Fun fact. Just for those who might not know, because it always bothers me when I see someone doing this :') there's no need to spam your BIOS key (F2, F8, DEL, etc.). You can just hold it down-the keyboard's polling rate does the job way faster than you ever could. Try it if you don't believe me.
you cant, itll went to windows loading
It doesn't look like there are any benefits for overclocking the latest gen of Intel.
Thanks for the new error lake info
All 24 cores at 5Ghz is insane, no?
You can overclock how many broken things we had, I still haven't forgot the dalmatian at the Cape of the Table winning a PHD in home affairs. Namastè.
Id be more interested in how well this undervolts or clock-stretches for best performance per watt
Throttlestop is really good if you don't want to use XTU
Question for the audience. Where were you looking when he was spamming the delete button?
"There is an equation there depending on which way you go with the equation"
-JayTwo "I'm still not exactly sure what that is doing" Cents 2024
Wasn't there some sort of protection Intel put in where if you disable some voltage protection that it drops to only 400-800mhz if it's above 40c? Ie you can run it if you're NO2 cooling but that setting is essentially locked otherwise? Dropping to 1 watt makes me think of that limiter.
DLVR really isn't what you think it is.
I wonder if setting that time limit in the Intel tool to 256 breaks something other than glitching out the power limit. Have you tried leaving it set at 128 (after a reboot) to see if it has the same effect while overclocking and benchmarking?
Try turning off CEP for the IA and IGP in the bios, 0x125 and 0x129 is known to have OC issues with CEP on, i wonder if it affects BIOS'es for the core Ultra series too...
My 14700k is only 68SP so I just undervolt it and actually its stable at -0.10v.
So is it insane that I bought a $1,000 Asus Maximus Hero Extreme with 192GB of DDR5 6400 and the 285k?
Little bit. But more than that it makes you a beta tester/early adopter. I hope the experience isn't infuriating, at least.
@@TheKazragoreI hope it's not. I'm upgrading from a six year old platform that's actually given me some trouble so I'm pretty sure I'm gonna see a performance uplift no matter what because I'm coming from a 9900k.
@@TheKazragoreI hope not I'm gonna see a performance boost either way because I'm coming from a six-year-old platform That's actually giving me some problems. I'm coming from a 9900k and 64 gigabytes of DDR4 3200
it would be interesting to get some UV vids instead of OC alone
It seems like a lot of money up front, but you're going to get 10 years of use out of it.
hey just because i have 0.00% interest in the new intel stuff for myself doesn't mean I don't wanna keep up with what modern overclocking is like!
i honestly dont understand how things work now, i used to think the one performing better will get better result
now, or in here specifically, isnt the case and im waiting and earning just as much as anyone else even same as one not uploading anything